June 24, 2025 • 56 mins
Jump into the way-back machine and hear the younger (politically conservative) Seth Andrews long before he left Christianity. It's a bit surreal.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,
an idea.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The population of atheists this country is going through.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You know my story. You have heard me say it
a thousand times. I used to be in Christian radio
and sometimes I'll stumble across an old photograph or something
and I'll put that picture on the internet, put it
on social media. And I did this recently. It was
a publicity shot from two thousand and one. I was
still in Christian radio. It was an alternative station. We
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used to play the edgy stuff, man, none of this
amy grant business. We were playing punk and rock and
ska and I know this Christian music that is a
little edgier that you wouldn't play for the average Christian Housewife,
which was the demo of the regular CCM stations. I
think the target audience was females ages eighteen to thirty four,
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and so, you know, you wanted to play this very
unoffensive yet somewhat catchy, kind of poppy but not too
extreme type music because the idea was is that this
would appeal to moms. Women in families, especially young families,
more often would control the radio. So if you have
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a family all in a car or in a living room,
it was more likely, statistically at the time, it was
more likely that the female would determine what was being
listened to and you would get the husband and the
kids by default. But with alternative Christian radio, we didn't care. Man.
We were going for the edgier ones. We were going
for the people that were ready to break through the
(02:25):
norms and just crank up the grunge for God. And
so I was kind of a religious young gun at
the time. So I had this picture taken. It was
in the studio and there is this fresh faced, wide
eyed young Seth Andrews and I'm I mean, I'm just unspoiled.
(02:47):
I don't think that's the right word, but it's the
right vibe. I've got plenty of hair, no gray, I've
got great skin, I've got this fresh faced, wide eyed smile.
I am doing God's good work. And you know, here
I am twenty what five almost twenty five years later,
(03:10):
and I wonder what it might be like to get
in a time machine and go back and sit down
and say, Okay, you need to prepare yourself Bow because
within a decade you are going to be hosting a
global broadcast which tears down all the shit you're promoting.
Right now, you are going to have your world completely
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turned upside down, or better said, flipped right side up.
You are going to reevaluate your position on just about
every major subject, and you will, in so many aspects
be a totally different person. You need to prepare yourself.
I kind of want to do that. And what I
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listen to myself, what I believe it, what I resisted,
That's a whole other conversation. But a lot of people
saw this photograph and they're like, wow, man, do you
have any old audio? Do you have recordings from the
Christian radio days? And I don't have many, and I
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had to really dig for the few that I found,
and finally I staved digital copies of them, because back
when I was in radio, air checks that's what we
call them, the recordings of your show that you would save,
either to be critiqued by the boss or as demos
that you would give to potential employers. Let's say I
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want to get a job at a different station. They
would want to hear a sample of what you did.
So you had what we called an air check, and
it was just a rapid fire sample of your on
air stick, your announcements, the commercials that you voiced, and
so I saved a few of those, but they were
on cussette and a few were on many disc. Anybody
remember many disk? Remember MANI disc? And then as we
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moved into the total digital age, a lot of that
stuff is just you know, where do you find a
cassette deck these days? But I managed to make the
conversion of some old and not always great quality audio
recordings from the nineteen nineties and early two thousands, and so, yes,
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you're going to go back in time and you're going
to hear me back when I was a true believer.
Some of the clips are going to be about Christian stuff.
Some are just going to be examples of how radio
is done or was done. I think they still do
a lot of it the same way you're going to hear.
I think I'm going to play a commercial that I
did for a Christian music company, and I'm going to
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go through and cherry pick some of the best slash
worst Christian music that I used to think was cool
that really really really wasn't. And I remember a lot
of that's up with affection. But at the same time
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I do blush like wow, seth, wow, Wow. And as
you listen to this blast from my past, you will
be saying wow as well. Gonna be a ride.
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Speaker 2 (07:15):
That was a demo I put together. It must have
been around the year two thousand and you hear different
call letters that are not Tulsa call letters, which is
where I was based. But this is common. It became
more and more a thing in the late nineteen nineties
and certainly happens now. And I'm not really spoiling anything,
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or maybe i am. But if you hear somebody who
is doing an evening radio show or a weekend show
or a mid day show and they sound super local. Hey,
they're talking about certain street names and specific weather details,
the temperature, morning show, stuff going on, a contest that's
happening tomorrow or the weekend, or a live of that
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or a concert. They're talking about this stuff as if
they are brought podcasting just down the street. There is
a pretty good chance that this person may live in
a totally different state and they are doing something called
voice tracking. So the radio station doesn't want to hire
a full time announcer who wants to pay that plus
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benefits or whatever. No, No, let's do this. Let's hire
somebody who's got a home studio who lives pretty much
anywhere else in the country, and we pay him a
few hundred bucks a month, and we send him all
the info that he needs and he just sort of
rapid fire records all of the different sections of the show.
Just one, two, three, four five. There's the first hour,
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one two, three, four five six, there's the second hour.
Takes them about a half an hour to do it all.
They pipe it up onto a server location and it's
downloaded to the local station and fires between the songs,
so it sounds like somebody is right there talking about
their home town event and a special restaurant with the
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best fried chicken or Chinese food or whatever, and the
morning show tomorrow with Mike and Mandy's going to be wonderful.
They're going to give away the keys to a brand
new twenty twenty five or whatever Dodge charger. Well, it's
a pretty good chance that person has never met Mike
and Mandy. They have no idea what your town is like,
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and they have just been spoon fed the information so
they can do a show remotely on the cheap. And
this is a lot of what I used to do
in the late nineties and two thousands. I was on
the air in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I was on the
air in Florida. There were a few other stations. It's
been so long, so and then I think I made
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up a few of the call letters just because I
was trying to give my potential employer an example of
what it might sound like. But I think most of
the rest of this stuff, I think is all totally local.
How about a clip from this must have been nineteen nineties,
six or seven. I was hosting with a co host.
(10:03):
His name is Jim Marbles, Yes Marbles. The show is
Seth and Marbles in the morning.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
KXOJ, Tilsea's family station, run to Gun Living Well. It's
seven twenty nine now Seth and Marbles here until ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It is so freaking frustrating. I have all of these
other clips from different radio stations, the Clear Channel Days
Live one oh one, five ninety two, one Kiss FM.
I guest shot it on Mix ninety six and KFAQ
and voice tracking and all the production. But I didn't
save much from KXOJ. And I looked through every box
(10:40):
I've got and I've looked in my archive and that's
the only clip I can find is that one little intro.
But here's a little story for you. KXOJ used to
have a page. I don't know if it's still there
right now, but it was part of their main website,
the History of k XOJ, the whole page about us
(11:01):
page that said this. KXOJFM began in February of nineteen
seventy seven, transmitting from the tower site of Sepulpa, Oklahoma.
The station has played Christian music since its sign on.
Known in the early days as Excited Over Jesus, the
station was started by the Stephens family and remains a
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family operation to this day. And we skipped down. In
the early nineties the station began to take the form
it's come to be known as today. Two guys named
Seth and Marbles. Seth Andrews and Jim Marbles began hosting
the morning show, and the second generation of Stephen's family
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began to work in the management of the station. Then
it talks about the music boom, the rising popularity of
contemporary Christian music CCM, which exploded in the nineties. You
heard my name in there, didn't you. Seth Andrews and
Jim Marbles, and then I became an atheist, a vocal atheist,
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and I wrote my autobiography which chronicled my time at
kxoj and my d conversion and why I think Christianity
is a myth and a falsehood and often does great damage.
And wouldn't you know it, Kxojy's website deleted me. The
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page then said, Jim Marbles began hosting the morning show,
and the second generation of Stephen's family began to work
in the management of the station. They just erased my ass.
Now was it done because they were weird that someone
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might google my name and find them and caused trouble.
I doubt that was it an SEO thing. Maybe they
were worried that by having my name on their page
that it might accidentally inadvertently drive traffic.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
To the Thinking Atheist where.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All of those godless heathens were. I don't understand why
they did it. I'd like to sit them down and say,
what did it cost you to allow the history to
be what it is? Because the history hasn't changed. I
was there. I started in nineteen ninety working overnight shifts
twelve freaking hour overnight shifts six to six. The Gospel
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according to Music, Part one and two. I rose through
the ranks. I soloed the morning show for years before
Jim and I created a tandem show. The chemistry was solid,
our bits were good, the station benefited everybody wins. I
am a ten year piece of the history of that
station and they just deleted me. But the Internet never
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forgets and at web dot archive dot org, the old
KXOJ page is still there and I have bookmarked and
saved the shit out of that page. You're not going
to erase me. I was there right, whether I was
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right or wrong, whether I was misguided or not, whether
I was a Christian or an atheist, no matter what
else goes on in the world, I was there. I
was there, not that I'm pissed about it. I do
have pictures. I have linked a substack article in the
description box. It has the screenshots before and after from
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the history of KXOJ, and then there's some pics of
me back at KXOJ in the studio. One is profiled
by the Tulsa World At newspaper talking about how we
were part of the next chapter in contemporary Christian music.
There's a shot of us with the Imperials. They were
doing a concert that night. They did a morning show
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guest shot with us, so we're there in the studio.
And then just a single shot of a very young,
fresh faced, clean skinned Seth Andrews with so much hair.
It's so much hair anyway, linked in the description box
if you want to zee anyway, let's lighten things up
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a little bit. Here is just a random air check,
and I'm gonna play some Christian music. I'm not gonna
play a lot of it. I'm just gonna play some
fun samples. But let me play another just a rapid
fire aircheck for you. And you know I don't want
to make I'm gonna bore you with all of this stuff,
but I know you might be curious. Here we go,
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wake up with Sethan's Julie in the morning.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Ricardo Embarca is from the Mexican singing group Magneto Magneto.
They fly the group into a big public appearance thousands
of fans. Gets out of the chopper. He's still on
the little stool where you get out of the chopper.
When he raised his hand to wave to the crowd,
the rotors of the helicopter chopped off three of his fingers.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
He is a popular musician in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They say he's somewhere in the neighborhood of seven digits.
Avril Levine Complicated at the new Naughty two to one
Kiss FM, the radio station that just may send you
and your friends out to see Creed on the twenty
eighth of this month in Oklahoma City. Be listening next
hour as we play Creed or Greed for free Creed
concert tickets on the new nainety two to one Kiss FM.
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The Mix ninety six Updated forecasts for today sunshine and
nice forty five but cool evening twenty seven overnight with
clear skies. Tomorrow's same deal sunshine in forty six. We've
got four days to Thanksgiving. So far the Thanksgiving weekend
looks pretty good with hims in the fifties and sixties
and sunshine.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
That's good news of your traveling Right now.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
We've got forty seven down town and forty seven at
the new Mixed ninety six this week take off another
fifty minutes of music for the best mix of the eighties,
nineties and today on a big eighties Weekends nineties six.
Jeff Brown is a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. He
just held the contest to find the biggest cheap skates.
People who clip their nails before applying nail polish to
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save polish. People that wait till both shoelaces break, not
just one, to save on shoelace money.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
My grandfather was like that. My grandfather would actually use
his pocket night to open Christmas presents.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
He'd slit the Scotch tape, old the wrapping paper and
use it again next year.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Live one oh one point five.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
When I went to Oh AREU, my roommate was so
cheap that he'd turn his underwear and side out.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, it was gro.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
KJSR. Tulsa. Hey, there's Seth Andrews with you.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Ten oh four, in the middle of another music marathon
loaded with the music, Tulsa made classic classic gualk Up
the seventies and more with less talk Star one oh three.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I said, like
a radio disc jockey. It's almost like they cranked us
all out of a factory, just rubber stamp, just just
bump bump bump, you know. Then they sent us all
out to radio stations around the country because We all
used to talk like this, as we gave the time
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of the day, the weather, the contests, the reason you
should listen to us instead of those other guys. And
the people who were really bad about this in radio,
we used to call them the pukers. So and I
was a puker for a while, because when you get
into the business, you think, well, this is what a
broadcaster is supposed to do. You're supposed to sound like radio,
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and I hear podcasters today do this, and it's a
balance between being polished and professional. There's always going to
be a performative aspect to it. But at the same time,
you don't want to be the rubber stamp. You don't
want to be the guy that sounds like every other guy.
You want to be able to come through as a
flesh and blood, three dimensional human being. You want to
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have a relationship with the audience. But in my first
few years, I was so busy trying to be a
DJ that I would talk like this, and whenever you
punch the syllables, you become a puker. It took me
years to calm that down and to develop an identity
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and to have personality, real personality where you could actually,
I don't know, people felt like they could get to
know you instead of hearing somebody who could be instantly
replaceable by fifteen hundred other guys who were puking on
Kiss FM or KXOJS or other radio stations all around
the country. Yeah, took me a while to learn that lesson,
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talk to people, don't talk at people. It seems so
basic now, but it took me a long long time.
I think we should play some Christian music clips, and
I'm not talking about the vanilla stuff. I mean the
fun stuff, the stuff we talk about at parties. I'm
gonna do that in just second. I'm gonna give you
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a snapshot from my era of playing Christian music. I'm
not at all as interested in the Amy Grant, Stephen
Curtis chap and Michael W. Smith Whiteheart, Rich Mullen's Third Day.
I'm not as interested in those bands. I want to
talk about kind of the fun stuff that at the
time we Christians thought was kind of awesome. So the
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whole deal was when we saw something in pop music,
rock music, metal music, about six months after it would
become popular in the mainstream culture, you would see a
Christian equivalent hashtag rip off. You would see that in
Christian music. So at the time, the band Iron Maiden
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was really popular, and a couple of guys who met
in high school, Ray Parris and Steve Whittaker, formed a
band called Baron Cross in nineteen eighty three. Barren Cross
was awesome, right now, go to Google type in Barren
Cross you will see an eighties hairband wearing royal blue
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spandex with some of the best hair spray the decade
had to offer. I think if I'm remembering right, they
had like white gloves on and they were sticking their
fist in the air. The name of the album that
they're most famous for is Rock for the King nineteen
eighty six. How could you not believe in God after
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hearing the wall of sound? That's this? Wee?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, oh well.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
There is a ton of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
There was so much of this stuff, and we took
it so seriously, like, these guys are out rocking for
Jesus Man, You're changing the world. You know. We got
to play some stripe. I've got to play some striper?
Which one should I play? Which clip? How about? And
I saw this concert at the Brady Theater Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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second row. How about a clip from the song from
the the album both titled to Hell with the Devil
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talk about spandex. These guys went out massively hair sprayed
hair in yellow and black spandex. Everything was yellow and
black there. I think they called the band Striper. They
were known as the Yellow and Black Attack. And they
would take new Testaments with the band name on them,
and in the middle of a concert they would just
throw the Bibles out into the audience, and we thought
it was great man literally spreading the word. What did
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that accomplish? How many of us actually read that thing?
We'd stuck it on a shelf and thought, wow, I
got a striper Bible. But we already had bibles. Have
the average household has three Bibles, and the same is
true back then. So they were throwing us something we
already had, except it had the band name on it.
Maybe that's good marketing. I don't know. Here's a band
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that don't judge me. I still have a soft spot
for I know Petra is a punchline, I know it,
but it was you know they say that the music
that you listen to between the ages of I think
it's fourteen and twenty one in some ways becomes the
most cherished music of your life. Now this isn't really
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true with me, but there is a truth about it
that the music from that time period transports me back
two specific memories, and many of them fond ones. And
I remember my friend Stephanie and Miss Mahaffe's homeroom class
giving me or letting me borrow her Petra Not of
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This World cassette, and I fell in love with the
album and I still, I still have a soft spot
for this.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
Song, Strange Strange.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Petro was known as one of the pioneers of Christian
rock and CCM. They were formed in seventy two and
they have had several lead singers over the years. But
Greg Voltz, who you just heard the guy had a
four octave range. I shit you not. He did a
version on a future solo album. He did a version
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of Aerosmith's Dream On and he pulled it off. I mean,
it's not as good as the original, but that is
talk about range to be able to pull that off vocally.
He was a weird cat. He was an odd dude.
I'm not defending Christian music. I'm not trying to be
an apologist for the genre. I'm just saying it's pretty
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ballsy to do that. And his version wasn't bad.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Dream Dream Dream Dream.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
To judge me, criticize me, ridicule me, mock me all
you want. I thought that was good. I mean, I
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thought he pulled it off. I did not as good
as the original. But go ahead, come after me in
the comments. Go ahead. I'm all yours baby, I'm right here.
Let's go. It's on. It's on. Here's another example of
a band taking on a classic, not nearly as successfully.
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But this is just my subjective opinion. There was a
group called Rachel Rachel. They released their first album, I
Think in nineteen ninety one. They were known as the
first female American Christian rock band. Cheryl Jewell on vocals,
Hiley Sterner on guitar, also Brian Beltren, Jennifer Yorke, Jennifer Sparks.
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This was a five person female band, and somewhere in
a meeting they decided they were going to take on Kansas.
Carry on my wayward son once.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Arose above the noise and confusion, just to get up,
just beyond this allusion.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I was sol at a high butt, a too.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Much wasn't done them.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
My mom thinks still wasn't man. Man, he's lost on dreaming.
I can hear himsel, don't you cry.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
There are a few people who will give them respect
for making the attempt, and others are going to say
that they have desecrated the sacred, they have literally pissed
on a classic. I'll let you have that discussion, okay.
I think there were several other covers that were attempted.
I think almost. Oh, you know what, here's one. Here's
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a total ripoff. So what year was this? Let me
google it. Nineteen eighty f five. We Are the World
was a hunger relief anthem written by Michael Jackson and
Lionel Ritchie, produced by Quincy Jones and Michael o'mardian. So
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all of the pop and rock artists, these iconic names,
I mean iconic names, who all got in the same
freaking room, Paul Simon, James Ingram, Tina Turner, Diana Ross,
Huey Lewis, Cindy Lauper, Bruce Springsteen, Daryl Hall, Willie Nelson.
I mean it was crazy, unprecedented. They all got together
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in a room with microphones dropping out of the ceiling,
and they recorded We Are the World, and I forget
how much they raised, like twenty million dollars two feed
hungry people in Africa. Well, Christians looked around and they're like,
ah shit, all of these seculars are doing missions work
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that we should thought to do. So rather than come
up with an idea of their own, Christian artist put together,
I mean a direct ripoff of We Are the World.
They get all these named artists, they threw them in
the studio, they shot it the same way, and then,
red faced with embarrassment, they released their song called do
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Something Now. Okay, I'm gonna play both back to back
for you, and you can YouTube the videos and you'll
see the visual similarities aka ripoff. But here's We Are
the World okay, and here's the Christian version that came
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out just a few months later. And this kind of
thing was rampant. If pop rock secular music had something,
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some artists wouldn't be long before one of the Christian
labels said, oh, we got to have one of those.
We got to have the Jesus equivalent of one of those. Right,
if it's sold out there, Christian audiences must want it here.
And there was in many way there were direct ripoffs.
We had our own version of Paul McCartney. We had
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our own version of Joe Concker, we had our own
version of Sheena Easton, we had our own version of
Wilson Phillips. I mean, it's just there's a lot of
that going on at the time. Let me play something
for you, and this will be a longer clip. I'm
sure that whoever wherever this release is, I'll probably get
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a copyright strike, or because I want to play it enough,
I'm probably gonna get fifty of them. Since I'm playing
all these clips. YouTube is terrible about that, or maybe
it's necessary. It's their material. Okay, fine. Phil Cagy was
vocally our Paul McCartney. He is also and he remains today.
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He is still performing. He is also one of the
greatest guitar players in the world. Christian artist throw stones
all you want, jeer and sneer often. Christian music totally
deserves it. Phil Cagy is one of the greatest guitar
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players in the world. But let me do the vocal
thing first. Let me play this clip of the song
Spend My Life with You. This is gotta be late seventies.
Check this out come. Keep from closing by.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Thir day is gone? Would you carry on.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Watching day.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
To the dim?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, maybe he doesn't sound a lot like Paul McCartney,
but we kind of got those vibes. I honestly think
he wasn't trying to sound like anybody was, just who
he was. It was just his voice. But I'm more
interested in his masterful guitar playing. Let me back up.
I don't know how much of this I'm gonna play,
but I'm gonna play some Kegi Phil Cagy on the
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flip side album Off the Record. That's a studio video
that he's got posted on YouTube. I gotta play some more.
This one just zends me out. Performing in Ohio. Like
fifteen years ago, he did this magical version of Deep
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Calls onto Deep. Here's a clip, just one more religious
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not religious. You got to admire the I mean, there's
a whole library of his work, and a lot of
it is instrumental, which is where I tend to go.
I don't like to listen to songs that are selling
a message that frankly is false. And I don't know
where my line is because there are occasions where I
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can separate. It's like Christmas carols, hark the Herald Angels
saying Silent Night, or whatever. I like the songs they're
getting me in the spirit of the season. I see
it as mythology. I don't see them as evangelical tools
or indoctrination tools, which some would argue with. But there's
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something about the industry of Christian music that I feel
like is more mission centered instead of culture centered, holiday centered.
This is really more go yee into all the world
and make converts. I'm also a bit cynical because I
have seen the business side of the business. A lot
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of people say that Christian artists are the people who
couldn't make it in the show, so they went over here.
That's unfair. There are some examples of that. I won't
mention names. That's a totally subjective opinion anyway, But there
are a lot of other wonderful people, I mean, absolutely talented, amazing, wonderful, hardworking, committed,
dedicated human beings who are believers who consider what they
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do a privilege and an honor, and they want to
share their gift and they want to share the Gospel.
At the same time, they're doing what they do for
the best of reasons. So I think it's totally unfair too.
You know, we like to snipe and joke that Christian music,
contemporary Christian music is the Turkey Bacon of music. There
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are examples of that. I've played a few of them here,
but there are also a number of really talented people
who are doing what they do. That's just my little editorial.
I'm going to take one more break and I'm gonna
come back and we're going to do a little more
talk radio where I get political blush. Hang on, it
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Oh my god, if you'll pardon the expression that takes
me back, Piller, I think pod was big. We played Lifehouse.
We had these crossover bands that occasionally would be popular
on pop and rock radio, but we could also play
them on our station because we felt like they were
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safe and they had in some way fast of faith
or had acted like a religious person, and so we
were kind of building that bridge between the secular and
the religious. But man, that just gave me a flash.
I gave you a flash twenty five years ago. Wow. Okay.
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So there were two local conservative talk radio stations in Tulsa,
AM seven forty k r MG and eleven seventy KFAQ KFAQ,
a Fox News affiliate, and Michael and Gwen were the
morning show host. Gwen was a dear friend of mine
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and I just even today respect the hell out of
her for her talent and her heart. Just a lovely person.
But remember back then, I was a true blue Fox
News Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan, William F. Buckley. Jesus was
a capitalist, conservative Christian. So when Michael would go on vacation,
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KFAQ would ask me to come sit in the host
chair and we were talking about the war. I cannot
believe this. We were talking about the war on Christmas.
Speaker 10 (44:19):
Oh you know what, Gee, maybe I need to remind
everybody you know this day that you're going to get
off on Tuesday of next week. The entire nation shuts down,
including your local Albertsons.
Speaker 11 (44:31):
You know that day is Christmas.
Speaker 12 (44:33):
Actually Albertson's going to shut down anyway.
Speaker 11 (44:37):
Including your local Walmart. I forgot about that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
The fact that the matter baby Jesus thing just totally
gets in the way at Christmas.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
I know, you know, hey, what have we become?
Speaker 11 (44:49):
The government shuts down?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
What have we become?
Speaker 10 (44:52):
Even the atheists out there and the people who are
anti Christian and anti everything else, You're going to get
a day off on Tuesday.
Speaker 11 (44:59):
Why because it's Christmas, not because.
Speaker 10 (45:01):
It's winter, not because it's a holiday celebrating you know, snowflakes.
It's because there was a savior born to Christians, our
holiest day. And that's the whole story. That's why you're
getting the day off, whether you like it or not,
that's what it is. Laurie's got the story.
Speaker 11 (45:18):
Well, I just have to tell you something.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yesterday I was going to pick up my three year
old from preschool. He goes to a private church preschool.
Talking to my sister in law, whose boys go to
a public school in the area, she says, oh, gosh,
I had to go buy cookies.
Speaker 11 (45:31):
I had to do this and that for their party today.
And I said, oh, we did too. We had a
book exchange.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And I said, but we had a celebration of Jesus's birthday.
Speaker 11 (45:39):
What did you have And she said, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
It was a winter party. A winter party. What exactly
do you do it a winter party?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
They ate cupcakes and cookies and exchanged.
Speaker 12 (45:51):
Books and say non religious things to each other.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
But when I picked up my son, I was telling
Elvis it was great. They had a big Christmas train
in his classroom and his teacher said, Mary Ristmas cannon,
and he said, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 11 (46:02):
And it was great. I loved it.
Speaker 12 (46:04):
I think the tide is starting to shift, isn't it.
People are starting to get it. Was like the tree
and Rockefeller Center Rockefeller Plaza. When it was the holiday tree,
people just got so ticked. They finally said, all right, fine,
it's Christmas. But if you noticed how more tolerant that like.
I grew up in a Protestant religious home, right, well,
we got a Christmas tree in our home. You know,
the Christmas tree. Wasn't that a pagan symbol of fertility
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back in its day?
Speaker 11 (46:26):
It does anything laws.
Speaker 12 (46:28):
We got Santaca, we got all those symbols, and you
know what, we welcome am.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
It's all good. We got Frosty, we got Rudolph.
Speaker 12 (46:34):
But if you got on the other side of that
coin and you begin to pull in the Nativity scene,
everybody flips out.
Speaker 10 (46:40):
And I'm starting to get angry at you trying to
mess with my holiday. So for non Christians, pick another holiday.
Speaker 12 (46:46):
You know, the thing is is if you do that,
more people will be offended by not getting a paid
day off than they would be about Christ being removed
from the Christmas holiday.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Oh you remove Christ?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
You'd be like, oh, oh whatever, that's horrible.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Take the day off without pay? Oh now it's on.
Speaker 8 (47:03):
You know what.
Speaker 10 (47:03):
This whole inclusion thing, I forget it. You're not invited.
If you don't believe in Christmas, then you're not invited
to the celebration.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Much.
Speaker 12 (47:09):
I feel like our way of life is under attack,
don't you be able at a moment of crisis and
the tide has got to turn. And I'm probably partially
to blame because I represent a whole lot of people
who are so busy just doing our thing with our
families that we don't express outrage really to anybody who matters.
You know, we don't it shouldn't communicate to our people,
to our Congress.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
We don't do that.
Speaker 12 (47:30):
We just go, oh, get on a bunch of freaking politicians,
and we continue living our lives. But don't you think
the vast majority of people don't even go there. We've
ignored most of this.
Speaker 11 (47:39):
We try to.
Speaker 10 (47:40):
We try to ignore it because our it's a nice
time of year and we don't want to engage in
some sort of political, stupid debate.
Speaker 12 (47:47):
Do you feel like that the reason Huckabee surged in
the polls was partially because he.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Went on the air and said, whatever, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 11 (47:54):
I promise you you heard it.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You heard evidence. I think this may have been two
thousand and three or four. I don't know. I'm trying
to think. I was a video producer at the time,
but they had invited me back to sub you heard it.
I actually defended Mike a coupy. Oh shame. It's like
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that scene with the nun with the bell and Game
of Thrones.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
Ding shame, shame, shame.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
And I had bought into the hole. They're trying to
take Christ out of Christmas. It's our holiday. Everybody else
is trying to steal it. I'm just ashamed. But I'm
throwing myself in front of you. I'm laying myself bear
at your feet. I'm letting you see what I was
like twenty years ago, because I was side. I said
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it because I thought it, and I thought it because
I didn't know what the hell I was talking about.
And I think in many ways I was so desperate
to be persecuted. You know, if I'm under attack, if
my Jesus is under attack, and I'm a Jesus warrior.
I'm a better Christian. So now I'm a hero in
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my own story. I didn't know anything. I mean, I
think I referenced the pagan origins of the Christmas tree,
but the truth is, I didn't know what the hell
I was talking about. I knew it was a pagan
fertility symbol or whatever, but I mean, I hadn't really
dug into Saturnalia and the Druids and all of these
(49:43):
other pre Christian traditions and the plagiarism of you know, Christianity,
of all kinds of different holidays. I'm just I have shame, shame.
Speaker 11 (49:58):
Some of the other issues we're going to talk about.
Speaker 10 (50:00):
I have a really great story on global warming, and
you go, how could any story in the world be
great on global warming? I have one, okay for those
of you who are still on the fence about global warming. Okay,
And if you're here in Tulsa after this ice storm
hit and you're without power and you're still like a
tree hugger, tree hugging global warming, you know, person, I've
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got a perfect, perfect story for you today.
Speaker 12 (50:26):
Have you noticed every time they have a summit on
global warming there's always a record cold outside of wherever
it's at every time.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
Last was it last week? They're meeting in DC or something,
and they're like record snowfall.
Speaker 11 (50:37):
Hey, why do you think that un met in Bali
this year? Now? The problem what are the chances of
its snowing and Bali?
Speaker 12 (50:42):
The problem with global warming is then they always say, well,
you know, the cold is also a result of global warming.
It's very complicated. Kay, There's no way for those of
us with any common sense to win the argument. You know, Oh,
with the cold, high wind snow, that's all global warming, droughts, floods,
all of it.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now, over the past three minutes, you have been wanting
Fanta sciencing about reaching through the speakers of whatever player
you are listening on and slapping my face, slapping sent
into the young seth relax. I feel exactly the same way.
(51:20):
I was very slappable, not understanding anything about climate change.
You know how much literature, scientific literature I had read
about climate change in two thousand and four, none zip.
All I knew about it was what I heard on
freaking Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Limbaugh used to say
(51:42):
that Mount Pinatubo refuted climate change. Mount Pinatubo, the volcano
we had erupted and apparently had blown enough. He said, carcinogens.
There's something into the atmosphere, far more than humankind throughout
history could have ever done. So it was arrogant to
(52:03):
think that people could affect the climate. That was his
major argument. And I'm sitting on the other end of
the speaker, going, wow, that makes perfect No. I didn't
know the difference between weather and climate. I didn't understand
how median global temperatures were in fact on historic rise,
and how the warm air mass blows up through the
(52:25):
jet stream to drop Arctic air down, which causes a
shit storm of wild and wacky weather, often wintery weather,
but it's still a median increase. There's so much. I mean,
I hadn't read one article by a climate scientist. I'm
on the radio in front of thousands of people giving
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them my opinion. And this is indicative of the culture
I came out of. I knew evolution was wrong. Never
read Darwin on the Origin of species, and I never
took a single class from an evolutionary biologist. I knew
we were created. I had never actually properly learned from
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a cosmologist or astrophysicist about the nature of our galaxy,
of our solar system, of the universe. I knew the
Bible is true. I didn't know who wrote the Bible.
That's me anyway. There it is, front and center, matter
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of record. Seth Andrews, the younger conservative, evangelical Christian Republican
who finally escaped and now, like King Theoden in Lord
of the Rings, I breathe the free air, and now
I speak in my own liberated voice. Thanks for letting
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me take you back in time and kind of show
you what I was as opposed to where I am.
If nothing else, maybe gives you hope that there's hope
for others as well. Let's not give up hope. I
will see you back here next time. Be safe, Take care.
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You know my story. You have heard me say it
a thousand times. I used to be in Christian radio
and sometimes I'll stumble across an old photograph or something
and I'll put that picture on the internet, put it
on social media. And I did this recently. It was
a publicity shot from two thousand and one. I was
still in Christian radio. It was an alternative station. We
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used to play the edgy stuff, man, none of this
amy grant business. We were playing punk and rock and
ska and I know this Christian music that is a
little edgier that you wouldn't play for the average Christian Housewife,
which was the demo of the regular CCM stations. I
think the target audience was females ages eighteen to thirty four,
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and so, you know, you wanted to play this very
unoffensive yet somewhat catchy, kind of poppy but not too
extreme type music because the idea was is that this
would appeal to moms. Women in families, especially young families,
more often would control the radio. So if you have
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a family all in a car or in a living room,
it was more likely, statistically at the time, it was
more likely that the female would determine what was being
listened to and you would get the husband and the
kids by default. But with alternative Christian radio, we didn't care. Man.
We were going for the edgier ones. We were going
for the people that were ready to break through the
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norms and just crank up the grunge for God. And
so I was kind of a religious young gun at
the time. So I had this picture taken. It was
in the studio and there is this fresh faced, wide
eyed young Seth Andrews and I'm I mean, I'm just unspoiled.
(02:47):
I don't think that's the right word, but it's the
right vibe. I've got plenty of hair, no gray, I've
got great skin, I've got this fresh faced, wide eyed smile.
I am doing God's good work. And you know, here
I am twenty what five almost twenty five years later,
(03:10):
and I wonder what it might be like to get
in a time machine and go back and sit down
and say, Okay, you need to prepare yourself Bow because
within a decade you are going to be hosting a
global broadcast which tears down all the shit you're promoting.
Right now, you are going to have your world completely
(03:35):
turned upside down, or better said, flipped right side up.
You are going to reevaluate your position on just about
every major subject, and you will, in so many aspects
be a totally different person. You need to prepare yourself.
I kind of want to do that. And what I
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listen to myself, what I believe it, what I resisted,
That's a whole other conversation. But a lot of people
saw this photograph and they're like, wow, man, do you
have any old audio? Do you have recordings from the
Christian radio days? And I don't have many, and I
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had to really dig for the few that I found,
and finally I staved digital copies of them, because back
when I was in radio, air checks that's what we
call them, the recordings of your show that you would save,
either to be critiqued by the boss or as demos
that you would give to potential employers. Let's say I
(04:36):
want to get a job at a different station. They
would want to hear a sample of what you did.
So you had what we called an air check, and
it was just a rapid fire sample of your on
air stick, your announcements, the commercials that you voiced, and
so I saved a few of those, but they were
on cussette and a few were on many disc. Anybody
remember many disk? Remember MANI disc? And then as we
(04:59):
moved into the total digital age, a lot of that
stuff is just you know, where do you find a
cassette deck these days? But I managed to make the
conversion of some old and not always great quality audio
recordings from the nineteen nineties and early two thousands, and so, yes,
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you're going to go back in time and you're going
to hear me back when I was a true believer.
Some of the clips are going to be about Christian stuff.
Some are just going to be examples of how radio
is done or was done. I think they still do
a lot of it the same way you're going to hear.
I think I'm going to play a commercial that I
did for a Christian music company, and I'm going to
(05:41):
go through and cherry pick some of the best slash
worst Christian music that I used to think was cool
that really really really wasn't. And I remember a lot
of that's up with affection. But at the same time
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I do blush like wow, seth, wow, Wow. And as
you listen to this blast from my past, you will
be saying wow as well. Gonna be a ride.
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That was a demo I put together. It must have
been around the year two thousand and you hear different
call letters that are not Tulsa call letters, which is
where I was based. But this is common. It became
more and more a thing in the late nineteen nineties
and certainly happens now. And I'm not really spoiling anything,
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or maybe i am. But if you hear somebody who
is doing an evening radio show or a weekend show
or a mid day show and they sound super local. Hey,
they're talking about certain street names and specific weather details,
the temperature, morning show, stuff going on, a contest that's
happening tomorrow or the weekend, or a live of that
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or a concert. They're talking about this stuff as if
they are brought podcasting just down the street. There is
a pretty good chance that this person may live in
a totally different state and they are doing something called
voice tracking. So the radio station doesn't want to hire
a full time announcer who wants to pay that plus
(08:17):
benefits or whatever. No, No, let's do this. Let's hire
somebody who's got a home studio who lives pretty much
anywhere else in the country, and we pay him a
few hundred bucks a month, and we send him all
the info that he needs and he just sort of
rapid fire records all of the different sections of the show.
Just one, two, three, four five. There's the first hour,
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one two, three, four five six, there's the second hour.
Takes them about a half an hour to do it all.
They pipe it up onto a server location and it's
downloaded to the local station and fires between the songs,
so it sounds like somebody is right there talking about
their home town event and a special restaurant with the
(09:03):
best fried chicken or Chinese food or whatever, and the
morning show tomorrow with Mike and Mandy's going to be wonderful.
They're going to give away the keys to a brand
new twenty twenty five or whatever Dodge charger. Well, it's
a pretty good chance that person has never met Mike
and Mandy. They have no idea what your town is like,
(09:23):
and they have just been spoon fed the information so
they can do a show remotely on the cheap. And
this is a lot of what I used to do
in the late nineties and two thousands. I was on
the air in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I was on the
air in Florida. There were a few other stations. It's
been so long, so and then I think I made
(09:43):
up a few of the call letters just because I
was trying to give my potential employer an example of
what it might sound like. But I think most of
the rest of this stuff, I think is all totally local.
How about a clip from this must have been nineteen nineties,
six or seven. I was hosting with a co host.
(10:03):
His name is Jim Marbles, Yes Marbles. The show is
Seth and Marbles in the morning.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
KXOJ, Tilsea's family station, run to Gun Living Well. It's
seven twenty nine now Seth and Marbles here until ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It is so freaking frustrating. I have all of these
other clips from different radio stations, the Clear Channel Days
Live one oh one, five ninety two, one Kiss FM.
I guest shot it on Mix ninety six and KFAQ
and voice tracking and all the production. But I didn't
save much from KXOJ. And I looked through every box
(10:40):
I've got and I've looked in my archive and that's
the only clip I can find is that one little intro.
But here's a little story for you. KXOJ used to
have a page. I don't know if it's still there
right now, but it was part of their main website,
the History of k XOJ, the whole page about us
(11:01):
page that said this. KXOJFM began in February of nineteen
seventy seven, transmitting from the tower site of Sepulpa, Oklahoma.
The station has played Christian music since its sign on.
Known in the early days as Excited Over Jesus, the
station was started by the Stephens family and remains a
(11:24):
family operation to this day. And we skipped down. In
the early nineties the station began to take the form
it's come to be known as today. Two guys named
Seth and Marbles. Seth Andrews and Jim Marbles began hosting
the morning show, and the second generation of Stephen's family
(11:47):
began to work in the management of the station. Then
it talks about the music boom, the rising popularity of
contemporary Christian music CCM, which exploded in the nineties. You
heard my name in there, didn't you. Seth Andrews and
Jim Marbles, and then I became an atheist, a vocal atheist,
(12:11):
and I wrote my autobiography which chronicled my time at
kxoj and my d conversion and why I think Christianity
is a myth and a falsehood and often does great damage.
And wouldn't you know it, Kxojy's website deleted me. The
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page then said, Jim Marbles began hosting the morning show,
and the second generation of Stephen's family began to work
in the management of the station. They just erased my ass.
Now was it done because they were weird that someone
(12:57):
might google my name and find them and caused trouble.
I doubt that was it an SEO thing. Maybe they
were worried that by having my name on their page
that it might accidentally inadvertently drive traffic.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
To the Thinking Atheist where.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All of those godless heathens were. I don't understand why
they did it. I'd like to sit them down and say,
what did it cost you to allow the history to
be what it is? Because the history hasn't changed. I
was there. I started in nineteen ninety working overnight shifts
twelve freaking hour overnight shifts six to six. The Gospel
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according to Music, Part one and two. I rose through
the ranks. I soloed the morning show for years before
Jim and I created a tandem show. The chemistry was solid,
our bits were good, the station benefited everybody wins. I
am a ten year piece of the history of that
station and they just deleted me. But the Internet never
(14:03):
forgets and at web dot archive dot org, the old
KXOJ page is still there and I have bookmarked and
saved the shit out of that page. You're not going
to erase me. I was there right, whether I was
(14:25):
right or wrong, whether I was misguided or not, whether
I was a Christian or an atheist, no matter what
else goes on in the world, I was there. I
was there, not that I'm pissed about it. I do
have pictures. I have linked a substack article in the
description box. It has the screenshots before and after from
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the history of KXOJ, and then there's some pics of
me back at KXOJ in the studio. One is profiled
by the Tulsa World At newspaper talking about how we
were part of the next chapter in contemporary Christian music.
There's a shot of us with the Imperials. They were
doing a concert that night. They did a morning show
(15:06):
guest shot with us, so we're there in the studio.
And then just a single shot of a very young,
fresh faced, clean skinned Seth Andrews with so much hair.
It's so much hair anyway, linked in the description box
if you want to zee anyway, let's lighten things up
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a little bit. Here is just a random air check,
and I'm gonna play some Christian music. I'm not gonna
play a lot of it. I'm just gonna play some
fun samples. But let me play another just a rapid
fire aircheck for you. And you know I don't want
to make I'm gonna bore you with all of this stuff,
but I know you might be curious. Here we go,
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wake up with Sethan's Julie in the morning.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Ricardo Embarca is from the Mexican singing group Magneto Magneto.
They fly the group into a big public appearance thousands
of fans. Gets out of the chopper. He's still on
the little stool where you get out of the chopper.
When he raised his hand to wave to the crowd,
the rotors of the helicopter chopped off three of his fingers.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
He is a popular musician in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They say he's somewhere in the neighborhood of seven digits.
Avril Levine Complicated at the new Naughty two to one
Kiss FM, the radio station that just may send you
and your friends out to see Creed on the twenty
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Jeff Brown is a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. He
just held the contest to find the biggest cheap skates.
People who clip their nails before applying nail polish to
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save polish. People that wait till both shoelaces break, not
just one, to save on shoelace money.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
My grandfather was like that. My grandfather would actually use
his pocket night to open Christmas presents.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
He'd slit the Scotch tape, old the wrapping paper and
use it again next year.
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When I went to Oh AREU, my roommate was so
cheap that he'd turn his underwear and side out.
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Yeah, it was gro.
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KJSR. Tulsa. Hey, there's Seth Andrews with you.
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Ten oh four, in the middle of another music marathon
loaded with the music, Tulsa made classic classic gualk Up
the seventies and more with less talk Star one oh three.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I said, like
a radio disc jockey. It's almost like they cranked us
all out of a factory, just rubber stamp, just just
bump bump bump, you know. Then they sent us all
out to radio stations around the country because We all
used to talk like this, as we gave the time
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of the day, the weather, the contests, the reason you
should listen to us instead of those other guys. And
the people who were really bad about this in radio,
we used to call them the pukers. So and I
was a puker for a while, because when you get
into the business, you think, well, this is what a
broadcaster is supposed to do. You're supposed to sound like radio,
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and I hear podcasters today do this, and it's a
balance between being polished and professional. There's always going to
be a performative aspect to it. But at the same time,
you don't want to be the rubber stamp. You don't
want to be the guy that sounds like every other guy.
You want to be able to come through as a
flesh and blood, three dimensional human being. You want to
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have a relationship with the audience. But in my first
few years, I was so busy trying to be a
DJ that I would talk like this, and whenever you
punch the syllables, you become a puker. It took me
years to calm that down and to develop an identity
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and to have personality, real personality where you could actually,
I don't know, people felt like they could get to
know you instead of hearing somebody who could be instantly
replaceable by fifteen hundred other guys who were puking on
Kiss FM or KXOJS or other radio stations all around
the country. Yeah, took me a while to learn that lesson,
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talk to people, don't talk at people. It seems so
basic now, but it took me a long long time.
I think we should play some Christian music clips, and
I'm not talking about the vanilla stuff. I mean the
fun stuff, the stuff we talk about at parties. I'm
gonna do that in just second. I'm gonna give you
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a snapshot from my era of playing Christian music. I'm
not at all as interested in the Amy Grant, Stephen
Curtis chap and Michael W. Smith Whiteheart, Rich Mullen's Third Day.
I'm not as interested in those bands. I want to
talk about kind of the fun stuff that at the
time we Christians thought was kind of awesome. So the
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whole deal was when we saw something in pop music,
rock music, metal music, about six months after it would
become popular in the mainstream culture, you would see a
Christian equivalent hashtag rip off. You would see that in
Christian music. So at the time, the band Iron Maiden
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was really popular, and a couple of guys who met
in high school, Ray Parris and Steve Whittaker, formed a
band called Baron Cross in nineteen eighty three. Barren Cross
was awesome, right now, go to Google type in Barren
Cross you will see an eighties hairband wearing royal blue
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spandex with some of the best hair spray the decade
had to offer. I think if I'm remembering right, they
had like white gloves on and they were sticking their
fist in the air. The name of the album that
they're most famous for is Rock for the King nineteen
eighty six. How could you not believe in God after
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hearing the wall of sound? That's this? Wee?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, oh well.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
There is a ton of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
There was so much of this stuff, and we took
it so seriously, like, these guys are out rocking for
Jesus Man, You're changing the world. You know. We got
to play some stripe. I've got to play some striper?
Which one should I play? Which clip? How about? And
I saw this concert at the Brady Theater Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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second row. How about a clip from the song from
the the album both titled to Hell with the Devil
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talk about spandex. These guys went out massively hair sprayed
hair in yellow and black spandex. Everything was yellow and
black there. I think they called the band Striper. They
were known as the Yellow and Black Attack. And they
would take new Testaments with the band name on them,
and in the middle of a concert they would just
throw the Bibles out into the audience, and we thought
it was great man literally spreading the word. What did
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that accomplish? How many of us actually read that thing?
We'd stuck it on a shelf and thought, wow, I
got a striper Bible. But we already had bibles. Have
the average household has three Bibles, and the same is
true back then. So they were throwing us something we
already had, except it had the band name on it.
Maybe that's good marketing. I don't know. Here's a band
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that don't judge me. I still have a soft spot
for I know Petra is a punchline, I know it,
but it was you know they say that the music
that you listen to between the ages of I think
it's fourteen and twenty one in some ways becomes the
most cherished music of your life. Now this isn't really
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true with me, but there is a truth about it
that the music from that time period transports me back
two specific memories, and many of them fond ones. And
I remember my friend Stephanie and Miss Mahaffe's homeroom class
giving me or letting me borrow her Petra Not of
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This World cassette, and I fell in love with the
album and I still, I still have a soft spot
for this.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
Song, Strange Strange.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Petro was known as one of the pioneers of Christian
rock and CCM. They were formed in seventy two and
they have had several lead singers over the years. But
Greg Voltz, who you just heard the guy had a
four octave range. I shit you not. He did a
version on a future solo album. He did a version
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of Aerosmith's Dream On and he pulled it off. I mean,
it's not as good as the original, but that is
talk about range to be able to pull that off vocally.
He was a weird cat. He was an odd dude.
I'm not defending Christian music. I'm not trying to be
an apologist for the genre. I'm just saying it's pretty
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ballsy to do that. And his version wasn't bad.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Dream Dream Dream Dream.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
To judge me, criticize me, ridicule me, mock me all
you want. I thought that was good. I mean, I
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thought he pulled it off. I did not as good
as the original. But go ahead, come after me in
the comments. Go ahead. I'm all yours baby, I'm right here.
Let's go. It's on. It's on. Here's another example of
a band taking on a classic, not nearly as successfully.
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But this is just my subjective opinion. There was a
group called Rachel Rachel. They released their first album, I
Think in nineteen ninety one. They were known as the
first female American Christian rock band. Cheryl Jewell on vocals,
Hiley Sterner on guitar, also Brian Beltren, Jennifer Yorke, Jennifer Sparks.
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This was a five person female band, and somewhere in
a meeting they decided they were going to take on Kansas.
Carry on my wayward son once.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Arose above the noise and confusion, just to get up,
just beyond this allusion.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I was sol at a high butt, a too.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Much wasn't done them.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
My mom thinks still wasn't man. Man, he's lost on dreaming.
I can hear himsel, don't you cry.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
There are a few people who will give them respect
for making the attempt, and others are going to say
that they have desecrated the sacred, they have literally pissed
on a classic. I'll let you have that discussion, okay.
I think there were several other covers that were attempted.
I think almost. Oh, you know what, here's one. Here's
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a total ripoff. So what year was this? Let me
google it. Nineteen eighty f five. We Are the World
was a hunger relief anthem written by Michael Jackson and
Lionel Ritchie, produced by Quincy Jones and Michael o'mardian. So
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all of the pop and rock artists, these iconic names,
I mean iconic names, who all got in the same
freaking room, Paul Simon, James Ingram, Tina Turner, Diana Ross,
Huey Lewis, Cindy Lauper, Bruce Springsteen, Daryl Hall, Willie Nelson.
I mean it was crazy, unprecedented. They all got together
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in a room with microphones dropping out of the ceiling,
and they recorded We Are the World, and I forget
how much they raised, like twenty million dollars two feed
hungry people in Africa. Well, Christians looked around and they're like,
ah shit, all of these seculars are doing missions work
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that we should thought to do. So rather than come
up with an idea of their own, Christian artist put together,
I mean a direct ripoff of We Are the World.
They get all these named artists, they threw them in
the studio, they shot it the same way, and then,
red faced with embarrassment, they released their song called do
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Something Now. Okay, I'm gonna play both back to back
for you, and you can YouTube the videos and you'll
see the visual similarities aka ripoff. But here's We Are
the World okay, and here's the Christian version that came
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out just a few months later. And this kind of
thing was rampant. If pop rock secular music had something,
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some artists wouldn't be long before one of the Christian
labels said, oh, we got to have one of those.
We got to have the Jesus equivalent of one of those. Right,
if it's sold out there, Christian audiences must want it here.
And there was in many way there were direct ripoffs.
We had our own version of Paul McCartney. We had
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our own version of Joe Concker, we had our own
version of Sheena Easton, we had our own version of
Wilson Phillips. I mean, it's just there's a lot of
that going on at the time. Let me play something
for you, and this will be a longer clip. I'm
sure that whoever wherever this release is, I'll probably get
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a copyright strike, or because I want to play it enough,
I'm probably gonna get fifty of them. Since I'm playing
all these clips. YouTube is terrible about that, or maybe
it's necessary. It's their material. Okay, fine. Phil Cagy was
vocally our Paul McCartney. He is also and he remains today.
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He is still performing. He is also one of the
greatest guitar players in the world. Christian artist throw stones
all you want, jeer and sneer often. Christian music totally
deserves it. Phil Cagy is one of the greatest guitar
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players in the world. But let me do the vocal
thing first. Let me play this clip of the song
Spend My Life with You. This is gotta be late seventies.
Check this out come. Keep from closing by.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Thir day is gone? Would you carry on.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Watching day.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
To the dim?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, maybe he doesn't sound a lot like Paul McCartney,
but we kind of got those vibes. I honestly think
he wasn't trying to sound like anybody was, just who
he was. It was just his voice. But I'm more
interested in his masterful guitar playing. Let me back up.
I don't know how much of this I'm gonna play,
but I'm gonna play some Kegi Phil Cagy on the
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flip side album Off the Record. That's a studio video
that he's got posted on YouTube. I gotta play some more.
This one just zends me out. Performing in Ohio. Like
fifteen years ago, he did this magical version of Deep
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Calls onto Deep. Here's a clip, just one more religious
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not religious. You got to admire the I mean, there's
a whole library of his work, and a lot of
it is instrumental, which is where I tend to go.
I don't like to listen to songs that are selling
a message that frankly is false. And I don't know
where my line is because there are occasions where I
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can separate. It's like Christmas carols, hark the Herald Angels
saying Silent Night, or whatever. I like the songs they're
getting me in the spirit of the season. I see
it as mythology. I don't see them as evangelical tools
or indoctrination tools, which some would argue with. But there's
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something about the industry of Christian music that I feel
like is more mission centered instead of culture centered, holiday centered.
This is really more go yee into all the world
and make converts. I'm also a bit cynical because I
have seen the business side of the business. A lot
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of people say that Christian artists are the people who
couldn't make it in the show, so they went over here.
That's unfair. There are some examples of that. I won't
mention names. That's a totally subjective opinion anyway, But there
are a lot of other wonderful people, I mean, absolutely talented, amazing, wonderful, hardworking, committed,
dedicated human beings who are believers who consider what they
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do a privilege and an honor, and they want to
share their gift and they want to share the Gospel.
At the same time, they're doing what they do for
the best of reasons. So I think it's totally unfair too.
You know, we like to snipe and joke that Christian music,
contemporary Christian music is the Turkey Bacon of music. There
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are examples of that. I've played a few of them here,
but there are also a number of really talented people
who are doing what they do. That's just my little editorial.
I'm going to take one more break and I'm gonna
come back and we're going to do a little more
talk radio where I get political blush. Hang on, it
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is memory lane today as I go back to my
Christian radio pass. Okay, here's another demo from the old
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First United Methodist Youth Center downtown.
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Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh my god, if you'll pardon the expression that takes
me back, Piller, I think pod was big. We played Lifehouse.
We had these crossover bands that occasionally would be popular
on pop and rock radio, but we could also play
them on our station because we felt like they were
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safe and they had in some way fast of faith
or had acted like a religious person, and so we
were kind of building that bridge between the secular and
the religious. But man, that just gave me a flash.
I gave you a flash twenty five years ago. Wow. Okay.
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So there were two local conservative talk radio stations in Tulsa,
AM seven forty k r MG and eleven seventy KFAQ KFAQ,
a Fox News affiliate, and Michael and Gwen were the
morning show host. Gwen was a dear friend of mine
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and I just even today respect the hell out of
her for her talent and her heart. Just a lovely person.
But remember back then, I was a true blue Fox
News Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan, William F. Buckley. Jesus was
a capitalist, conservative Christian. So when Michael would go on vacation,
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KFAQ would ask me to come sit in the host
chair and we were talking about the war. I cannot
believe this. We were talking about the war on Christmas.
Speaker 10 (44:19):
Oh you know what, Gee, maybe I need to remind
everybody you know this day that you're going to get
off on Tuesday of next week. The entire nation shuts down,
including your local Albertsons.
Speaker 11 (44:31):
You know that day is Christmas.
Speaker 12 (44:33):
Actually Albertson's going to shut down anyway.
Speaker 11 (44:37):
Including your local Walmart. I forgot about that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
The fact that the matter baby Jesus thing just totally
gets in the way at Christmas.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
I know, you know, hey, what have we become?
Speaker 11 (44:49):
The government shuts down?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
What have we become?
Speaker 10 (44:52):
Even the atheists out there and the people who are
anti Christian and anti everything else, You're going to get
a day off on Tuesday.
Speaker 11 (44:59):
Why because it's Christmas, not because.
Speaker 10 (45:01):
It's winter, not because it's a holiday celebrating you know, snowflakes.
It's because there was a savior born to Christians, our
holiest day. And that's the whole story. That's why you're
getting the day off, whether you like it or not,
that's what it is. Laurie's got the story.
Speaker 11 (45:18):
Well, I just have to tell you something.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yesterday I was going to pick up my three year
old from preschool. He goes to a private church preschool.
Talking to my sister in law, whose boys go to
a public school in the area, she says, oh, gosh,
I had to go buy cookies.
Speaker 11 (45:31):
I had to do this and that for their party today.
And I said, oh, we did too. We had a
book exchange.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And I said, but we had a celebration of Jesus's birthday.
Speaker 11 (45:39):
What did you have And she said, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
It was a winter party. A winter party. What exactly
do you do it a winter party?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
They ate cupcakes and cookies and exchanged.
Speaker 12 (45:51):
Books and say non religious things to each other.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
But when I picked up my son, I was telling
Elvis it was great. They had a big Christmas train
in his classroom and his teacher said, Mary Ristmas cannon,
and he said, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 11 (46:02):
And it was great. I loved it.
Speaker 12 (46:04):
I think the tide is starting to shift, isn't it.
People are starting to get it. Was like the tree
and Rockefeller Center Rockefeller Plaza. When it was the holiday tree,
people just got so ticked. They finally said, all right, fine,
it's Christmas. But if you noticed how more tolerant that like.
I grew up in a Protestant religious home, right, well,
we got a Christmas tree in our home. You know,
the Christmas tree. Wasn't that a pagan symbol of fertility
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back in its day?
Speaker 11 (46:26):
It does anything laws.
Speaker 12 (46:28):
We got Santaca, we got all those symbols, and you
know what, we welcome am.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
It's all good. We got Frosty, we got Rudolph.
Speaker 12 (46:34):
But if you got on the other side of that
coin and you begin to pull in the Nativity scene,
everybody flips out.
Speaker 10 (46:40):
And I'm starting to get angry at you trying to
mess with my holiday. So for non Christians, pick another holiday.
Speaker 12 (46:46):
You know, the thing is is if you do that,
more people will be offended by not getting a paid
day off than they would be about Christ being removed
from the Christmas holiday.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Oh you remove Christ?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
You'd be like, oh, oh whatever, that's horrible.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Take the day off without pay? Oh now it's on.
Speaker 8 (47:03):
You know what.
Speaker 10 (47:03):
This whole inclusion thing, I forget it. You're not invited.
If you don't believe in Christmas, then you're not invited
to the celebration.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Much.
Speaker 12 (47:09):
I feel like our way of life is under attack,
don't you be able at a moment of crisis and
the tide has got to turn. And I'm probably partially
to blame because I represent a whole lot of people
who are so busy just doing our thing with our
families that we don't express outrage really to anybody who matters.
You know, we don't it shouldn't communicate to our people,
to our Congress.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
We don't do that.
Speaker 12 (47:30):
We just go, oh, get on a bunch of freaking politicians,
and we continue living our lives. But don't you think
the vast majority of people don't even go there. We've
ignored most of this.
Speaker 11 (47:39):
We try to.
Speaker 10 (47:40):
We try to ignore it because our it's a nice
time of year and we don't want to engage in
some sort of political, stupid debate.
Speaker 12 (47:47):
Do you feel like that the reason Huckabee surged in
the polls was partially because he.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Went on the air and said, whatever, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 11 (47:54):
I promise you you heard it.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You heard evidence. I think this may have been two
thousand and three or four. I don't know. I'm trying
to think. I was a video producer at the time,
but they had invited me back to sub you heard it.
I actually defended Mike a coupy. Oh shame. It's like
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that scene with the nun with the bell and Game
of Thrones.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
Ding shame, shame, shame.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
And I had bought into the hole. They're trying to
take Christ out of Christmas. It's our holiday. Everybody else
is trying to steal it. I'm just ashamed. But I'm
throwing myself in front of you. I'm laying myself bear
at your feet. I'm letting you see what I was
like twenty years ago, because I was side. I said
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it because I thought it, and I thought it because
I didn't know what the hell I was talking about.
And I think in many ways I was so desperate
to be persecuted. You know, if I'm under attack, if
my Jesus is under attack, and I'm a Jesus warrior.
I'm a better Christian. So now I'm a hero in
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my own story. I didn't know anything. I mean, I
think I referenced the pagan origins of the Christmas tree,
but the truth is, I didn't know what the hell
I was talking about. I knew it was a pagan
fertility symbol or whatever, but I mean, I hadn't really
dug into Saturnalia and the Druids and all of these
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other pre Christian traditions and the plagiarism of you know, Christianity,
of all kinds of different holidays. I'm just I have shame, shame.
Speaker 11 (49:58):
Some of the other issues we're going to talk about.
Speaker 10 (50:00):
I have a really great story on global warming, and
you go, how could any story in the world be
great on global warming? I have one, okay for those
of you who are still on the fence about global warming. Okay,
And if you're here in Tulsa after this ice storm
hit and you're without power and you're still like a
tree hugger, tree hugging global warming, you know, person, I've
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got a perfect, perfect story for you today.
Speaker 12 (50:26):
Have you noticed every time they have a summit on
global warming there's always a record cold outside of wherever
it's at every time.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
Last was it last week? They're meeting in DC or something,
and they're like record snowfall.
Speaker 11 (50:37):
Hey, why do you think that un met in Bali
this year? Now? The problem what are the chances of
its snowing and Bali?
Speaker 12 (50:42):
The problem with global warming is then they always say, well,
you know, the cold is also a result of global warming.
It's very complicated. Kay, There's no way for those of
us with any common sense to win the argument. You know, Oh,
with the cold, high wind snow, that's all global warming, droughts, floods,
all of it.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now, over the past three minutes, you have been wanting
Fanta sciencing about reaching through the speakers of whatever player
you are listening on and slapping my face, slapping sent
into the young seth relax. I feel exactly the same way.
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I was very slappable, not understanding anything about climate change.
You know how much literature, scientific literature I had read
about climate change in two thousand and four, none zip.
All I knew about it was what I heard on
freaking Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Limbaugh used to say
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that Mount Pinatubo refuted climate change. Mount Pinatubo, the volcano
we had erupted and apparently had blown enough. He said, carcinogens.
There's something into the atmosphere, far more than humankind throughout
history could have ever done. So it was arrogant to
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think that people could affect the climate. That was his
major argument. And I'm sitting on the other end of
the speaker, going, wow, that makes perfect No. I didn't
know the difference between weather and climate. I didn't understand
how median global temperatures were in fact on historic rise,
and how the warm air mass blows up through the
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jet stream to drop Arctic air down, which causes a
shit storm of wild and wacky weather, often wintery weather,
but it's still a median increase. There's so much. I mean,
I hadn't read one article by a climate scientist. I'm
on the radio in front of thousands of people giving
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them my opinion. And this is indicative of the culture
I came out of. I knew evolution was wrong. Never
read Darwin on the Origin of species, and I never
took a single class from an evolutionary biologist. I knew
we were created. I had never actually properly learned from
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a cosmologist or astrophysicist about the nature of our galaxy,
of our solar system, of the universe. I knew the
Bible is true. I didn't know who wrote the Bible.
That's me anyway. There it is, front and center, matter
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of record. Seth Andrews, the younger conservative, evangelical Christian Republican
who finally escaped and now, like King Theoden in Lord
of the Rings, I breathe the free air, and now
I speak in my own liberated voice. Thanks for letting
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me take you back in time and kind of show
you what I was as opposed to where I am.
If nothing else, maybe gives you hope that there's hope
for others as well. Let's not give up hope. I
will see you back here next time. Be safe, Take care.
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