February 8, 2024 • 18 mins
Have you ever stopped to think about whether your life's path is carved by destiny or shaped by chance? This is the central question posed by the extraordinary play, 'The Gift', presented by Brookes Diamond Productions and starring Robert Lamar. 'The Gift' is not a typical stage play. It's an interactive experiment that urges the audience to engage, to challenge their preconceived notions, and to participate in a journey of self-discovery. As playwright and director Ron Ulrich explains, the play is a series of experiments that question whether our lives are governed by fate or happenstance. The audience is not just watching a story unfold; they are part of the story, potentially influencing its outcome. The world debut is currently running at Halifax’s St. Andrew’s Church Hall.
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(00:00):
Well, fabulous, absolutely amazing,in fact stunning. It's one of those
shows that I'm going to be thinkingabout for days and days and days.
Everybody should see it. Excellent.That is quite the testimonial. You can
find it at the website Experiencethgift dotCa. And what is this lady talking
about? Well, I'm still notentirely sure now. The website describes it
(00:23):
as Brooks Diamond Productions presents a transformativetheatrical experience The Gift, starring Robert Lamar.
He has this to say. Sincethe beginning of time, one question
has remained unanswerable. Philosophers have ponderedit. Lovers gazing with rap wonder into
each other's eyes have agonized olver it. Ancient cave dwellers staring upwards at a
(00:49):
star filled sky have been torn tryingto comprehend it. Is this all a
random accident? Or is it meantto be? What if there was a
formula to guide us? What ifthere was a way to discover our true
purpose? What if we had thegift? What you see will be amazing,
(01:19):
what you hear will be astounding.What you experience will change the way
you see the world forever. Thequestion remains, are our lives determined by
chance or by destiny? I'm RobertLamar, and together we will discover the
(01:47):
gift. Coming up in a fewmoments, we're going to hear from the
writer and the director, Ron Ulrichabout this transformative experience. My name is
Sheldon McLeod. Now this is nota paid endorsement, but this is my
podcast, and I found this fascinating. You're listening to Saltwire and this is
thinking out loud. So some peoplein life believe everything happens for a reason
(02:21):
and other people's figure we all reasonwhy things happen. I am really pleased
to meet Ron. Is it Ulricor ull Rich? Ulrick? You were
right the first time. Well,it's my grandfather pronounced it Ulrich because he
was from Germany, and my familyalways pronounced it Ulrick ever since. So
take your pick. Man. Well, mister Ulrich, the gift experienced,
(02:46):
the gift I have in my careerfound there are some projects that are darn
near impossible to explain. And I'mreading through the description of this play transformative,
hearing people say it is an experiencelike no other. How in the
world do you talk about what thisplay is about. From that context,
(03:10):
it's a good question. The essenceit really it's an experiment in a large
way. It's an experiment to discoverwhether destiny or chance controls our lives.
And the audience is invited to participate. If it participates the wrong word to
allow to engauge in some of theexperiments. I personally am a great I
(03:38):
just don't like participation theater. Somebodysays come up and sing, or they
throw a ball at you and saystand up and dance now, and you
go, oh, for God's sake, that's why I'm paying my money.
So somebody else can do this.But in this particular project, because our
overall goal is to question whether destinyor happen stance controls this universe, and
(04:03):
we do a series of experiments onthe stage to actually indicate or prove one
perspective over the other. It's easyfor me on the stage to do this.
And I can fake it, youknow what I mean. I can
do a couple of things. Yougo, wow, that's awesome, But
man, he's just faking it.But if somebody comes up from the audience
(04:23):
as a who we've never met before, because of all the people who come
to see the show. There's onlyten who will be picked, and they
will be randomly selected out of ahat, and they will be asked even
before the show. If you don'twant to do this, don't bother.
But if you're interested in being aparticipant or an experimenter, put your name
in that little box over there,and somebody else from the audience that we
(04:46):
don't know will pick out ten names. So if there's one hundred people in
the audience, only ten are goingto get up there in the first place.
And the second thing is that ofthose ten, of those ten,
some of them are going to goup there going I don't believe for one
blessed second that this is going toprove one way or the other. And
I would tell you that every oneof those ten will come off of there
(05:09):
and come away saying, Wow,that either proved or disproved conclusively what I
was believing or not believing. It'skind of cool you wrote this, and
I'm wondering where did you draw thismaterial from. It was inspired by someone
else whose father helped inspire And againwe're talking about the performer here who helped
(05:30):
inspire this entire event. So wheredoes this material come from to make it
into a screenplay or into a placea stage one. Robert Lamar when I
was running I was an artistic directorat Neptune Theater a long time ago.
It was I loved being in Halifax. It's just a great city and a
(05:51):
great audience and just a great theater. And Robert Lamar came over as a
consultant on a couple or three showsthat I did, and so we had
sort of kept in touch over theyears, and then during the middle of
COVID, when everybody was kind ofat sixes and sevens, Robert got an
idea about a project to actually seriouslydiscuss the concept of happenstance versus destiny and
(06:21):
called me and said, do youthink this a has legs or possibility of
legs as the show? And Ithought, yeah, I think it does.
And then over the period of ourdiscussions it was decided that Robert said,
well, you want to write thedamn thing? And I sure,
Okay, I'll write it. Andbecause Robert was so clear on what we
(06:44):
needed to articulate and define to actuallymake these series of experiments work, I
was able to write a great storywhich kind of surrounds. This helps the
story to move forward and follows reallyalong the line of what Robert discussed his
learning from his grandfather is now deceasedgrandfather a series of tests to show one
(07:11):
way or another, to prove oneway or another that destiny does or does
not exist. And it was funto put together. Robert is a wonderful
artist and a wonderful performer. Thecrew that we had working with that we
were working with on this show areabsolutely brilliant. There's only a couple of
well, three or four people whoput this thing together, and it looks
(07:31):
like a million. When I rana budget for this thing, it was
about one hundred and twenty five thirtythousand dollars to put this show on,
and these three or four people didthis whole thing on far far less than
that, and it made it looklike it cost every penny of one hundred
and quarter. I have a fewpassions in my life, things that I've
(07:57):
grown to enjoy, including live performanceand arts. But I find if we're
looking at and forgive me, ifthis is in any way offensive to what
we're discussing, that between stand upcomedians and magicians, you have people who
present things entirely in different ways.But they tell you either I'm going to
(08:20):
expose universal truths through laughter or I'mgoing to fool you on purpose. Are
these psychological experiments? Are these tricks? How is it that you're able to
expose or to uncover this truth,whether it's fate or destiny. Well,
here's the real question. I mean, I understand your point. You're right.
(08:46):
A number of years ago, justa personal story. A number of
years ago, I sort of outof money and wasn't doing much. I'm
working as an actor, but Ireally whe the hell is my rent going
to come from? And I practicedmeditation every day, and I was sitting
in meditation on the phone rang andI don't answer the phone. When I
(09:09):
was in meditation, we didn't havesilencers on the phones then, so I
saw for some reason, I thought, well, what the hell, I'll
answer this one. And a guyat the other end of the line said,
are you interested in directing a show? And I said a bigger pardon?
He said are you interested in directinga show? And I said,
(09:31):
yeah, what does this entail?And we started talking to each other.
Suddenly I had money to pay myrent. Suddenly I was able to change
directions in my life and in mycareer, and suddenly I found a really
glorious path on which to move forward. Is that destiny or is that chance?
(09:52):
And do I prove it or disproveit? I don't know. To
me, it proved it. Ithought, yeah, this is destined to
have. But you look at theseexperiments that we do on the stage.
Some of them people will go,oh, I don't know. Is that
destiny? Yeah? I think itis, But do you tell me after
you've seen it. So the samething applies, by the way, to
(10:16):
one of the shows you've talked about, or at least types of the show
you've talked about. Yeah, everybodyin the world has a perspective. I
believe my perspective would be really important. Okay, great, but test it
out. I had a great Yogionce who taught me if the experiment works.
It was about a particular Proniama exercise. So if it works, great,
use it. If it doesn't,find something else. That's where I've
(10:39):
lived ever since. Man does thatnot in some ways, though, speak
to the fact that as humans welook for order in disorder. We look
for patterns where there's randomness. I'mhearing you, and it sounds like the
secret what you put out into theuniverse is what you get back, or
whether you look at it as anaffirmation that these are the things that I
(11:00):
want to visualize, and if Ivisualize them enough, I will see them
to their conclusion or to their birth. Well, the certain elements of quantum
physics is that if you visualize somethinghard and far enough, it will in
fact occur. I mean, whydoes an airplane fly? You tell me
it's because of a little vacuum overthe wing. I don't freaking think so.
(11:22):
Man, it flies because everybody onthe planet believes it's going to fly.
So there is an element of thatin there. But is a destiny
that we fly? Yeah? Probablyit is. I mean, we weren't
born with wings, but I donot What is destiny? What is destiny?
That's really the question. That isdestiny just a series of events that
happen in one's life, or isit, in fact the culmination of a
(11:46):
series of electronic emissions that were blastedinto the universe at the time of the
Big Bang And it just follows aseries of sine waves that are going on
into infinity And we're just a partof that sine wave all the way along.
I don't know. To me,that's far more likely than anything else.
And every day then becomes an experiment. It's not like I'm being controlled
(12:11):
by some outside force. It's I'mjust on this harmonic path, harmonic path,
man. And if that path,if I can stay in harmony,
I'm happy doing it. If Ican't stay in harmony, then I won't
be happy doing it. We haveelements of spirituality, of even perhaps religion,
the grand question where did we comefrom? How did we get here?
(12:35):
Where are we going? That seemsto be a lot of pressure to
put on a one person play calledThe Gift and experience the Gift. Where
does where does your perspective come from? Today? Well, I've been in
this business for a long long timeand lived for a long long time,
(13:00):
and my perspective has been solidified literallyfrom all those kinds of experiences in my
life where I wake up, whereI sit there thinking how the hell am
I going to pay the rent?And the phone rings where I decide At
one point in my life, OK, I'd started my career wanting to be
a psychologist, and I'd taken mymaster's in psychology, and I thought I'll
(13:22):
just go back and do that.At one point in time, because I
don't know, I thought, I'mloving the theater, but maybe I should
do something a little more worthwhile.And the day I was going to enroll
for university, I got all kindsof scholarships to go back, and I
got a phone call again from WalterLearning at Theater New Brunswick, who said,
(13:46):
you want to direct a show forme? And I thought, this
is a sign from the heavens man, it just is. I said,
yeah, I'll do it. Andwhen did the start rehearsal the first day
that I was supposed to start class, So I don't know. Well,
all I tell you is this isa series of events in my life that
have occurred that make me feel that, yeah, it is destined to occur.
(14:09):
You are a believer and given thetechnical challenges of us connecting for this
conversation, perhaps this was meant tobe. I had obviously had an opportunity
to speak with some of the peoplebehind this. This is a Brooks Diamond
production starring Robert Lamar and it isplaying till mid February at Saint Andrew's Church
(14:33):
Hall on Coburg Road. This isa fascinating conversation, and I don't want
I could talk for hours about thistype of this topic, and I guess
the last thing I would ask,Because you say this is participatory without it
being this isn't where I'm not throwingtoast on the stage. I'm not.
This isn't a pan of mine.This is an awakening for some perhaps eye
(14:56):
opening experience. What of those folkswho be reluctant because they say, you've
seen crabs before. You know,people don't always want to be singled out
and don't always want to be engagedin that way. Do I have an
unwritten contract that if I buy aticket, that I going through the door,
that there's a there's a chance Imight be on stage. God,
I hate that. No, youdon't. Everybody who comes, anybody who
(15:18):
wants to. If nobody wants toparticipate, they don't have to. But
anybody who wants to participate will drophis or her name or their name into
a box at the beginning, andduring the course of the evening, when
it comes time to do an experiment, somebody's name will be selected out of
that box. And if your nameisn't in there. You ain't gone up
(15:39):
which is great. You can sitthere and watch. I was I remember
the first shot production of this whenwe did a preview of this. This
is a couple of weeks ago,and there were place was full, one
hundred and something people in there,and I said, I went in front
of them and said, looky,if you want to do this, this
is school. If you don't,this is also cool. But if you
want to be one of the execsparameters, put your name in that.
(16:02):
So out of that hundred maybe wellI think maybe all one hundred of them
put their names in, which wassilly because they were all dumping them and
I'm like, wow, well that'scool. Only ten people are brought up
on the stage. So the oddsagainst you being a gup there unless you're
destined to be up there are prettyminimal. But if you are the one
(16:22):
that's the ones that are destined tobe up there, you will find quite
an intriguing series of events happening.And are you having to do silly things
and dance and sing and that's sortof stuff? Now? Are you sometimes
just working on a line of thoughtthat will encourage or discourage a perspective yes,
(16:48):
And if you don't want to beup there, you don't have to
be. It's simple. I personallyme never volunteer to go on the stage.
They pay me actor fees or equityfees if I get yep, no,
I'm joking, but I just don'tdo that. I'd like just to
watch and to figure out what seewhat other people do. Some people absolutely
love going onto the stage and beinga performer, but they're not going to
(17:11):
be a performer in this case.You're just if you or your name is
in a hat, and if youare the one who is selected, you
will be on there. Just inengaging in an experiment. And the experiments
are fairly structured, fairly well structuredand laid out so that you can follow
that easily and without any kind ofpersonal embarrassment. Just go, yes,
(17:37):
okay, I can do this,and wow, bless my soul. In
either works, ever it doesn't work, that's what the experiment's about. Ron
Ulrich, it is a pleasure tomeet you this way. I'm glad that
we were able to connect today,and I thank you for this well,
thank you and thank you for takingtime to talk me through how to get
connected on this It was really cool, all the best s
Well, fabulous, absolutely amazing,in fact stunning. It's one of those
shows that I'm going to be thinkingabout for days and days and days.
Everybody should see it. Excellent.That is quite the testimonial. You can
find it at the website Experiencethgift dotCa. And what is this lady talking
about? Well, I'm still notentirely sure now. The website describes it
(00:23):
as Brooks Diamond Productions presents a transformativetheatrical experience The Gift, starring Robert Lamar.
He has this to say. Sincethe beginning of time, one question
has remained unanswerable. Philosophers have ponderedit. Lovers gazing with rap wonder into
each other's eyes have agonized olver it. Ancient cave dwellers staring upwards at a
(00:49):
star filled sky have been torn tryingto comprehend it. Is this all a
random accident? Or is it meantto be? What if there was a
formula to guide us? What ifthere was a way to discover our true
purpose? What if we had thegift? What you see will be amazing,
(01:19):
what you hear will be astounding.What you experience will change the way
you see the world forever. Thequestion remains, are our lives determined by
chance or by destiny? I'm RobertLamar, and together we will discover the
(01:47):
gift. Coming up in a fewmoments, we're going to hear from the
writer and the director, Ron Ulrichabout this transformative experience. My name is
Sheldon McLeod. Now this is nota paid endorsement, but this is my
podcast, and I found this fascinating. You're listening to Saltwire and this is
thinking out loud. So some peoplein life believe everything happens for a reason
(02:21):
and other people's figure we all reasonwhy things happen. I am really pleased
to meet Ron. Is it Ulricor ull Rich? Ulrick? You were
right the first time. Well,it's my grandfather pronounced it Ulrich because he
was from Germany, and my familyalways pronounced it Ulrick ever since. So
take your pick. Man. Well, mister Ulrich, the gift experienced,
(02:46):
the gift I have in my careerfound there are some projects that are darn
near impossible to explain. And I'mreading through the description of this play transformative,
hearing people say it is an experiencelike no other. How in the
world do you talk about what thisplay is about. From that context,
(03:10):
it's a good question. The essenceit really it's an experiment in a large
way. It's an experiment to discoverwhether destiny or chance controls our lives.
And the audience is invited to participate. If it participates the wrong word to
allow to engauge in some of theexperiments. I personally am a great I
(03:38):
just don't like participation theater. Somebodysays come up and sing, or they
throw a ball at you and saystand up and dance now, and you
go, oh, for God's sake, that's why I'm paying my money.
So somebody else can do this.But in this particular project, because our
overall goal is to question whether destinyor happen stance controls this universe, and
(04:03):
we do a series of experiments onthe stage to actually indicate or prove one
perspective over the other. It's easyfor me on the stage to do this.
And I can fake it, youknow what I mean. I can
do a couple of things. Yougo, wow, that's awesome, But
man, he's just faking it.But if somebody comes up from the audience
(04:23):
as a who we've never met before, because of all the people who come
to see the show. There's onlyten who will be picked, and they
will be randomly selected out of ahat, and they will be asked even
before the show. If you don'twant to do this, don't bother.
But if you're interested in being aparticipant or an experimenter, put your name
in that little box over there,and somebody else from the audience that we
(04:46):
don't know will pick out ten names. So if there's one hundred people in
the audience, only ten are goingto get up there in the first place.
And the second thing is that ofthose ten, of those ten,
some of them are going to goup there going I don't believe for one
blessed second that this is going toprove one way or the other. And
I would tell you that every oneof those ten will come off of there
(05:09):
and come away saying, Wow,that either proved or disproved conclusively what I
was believing or not believing. It'skind of cool you wrote this, and
I'm wondering where did you draw thismaterial from. It was inspired by someone
else whose father helped inspire And againwe're talking about the performer here who helped
(05:30):
inspire this entire event. So wheredoes this material come from to make it
into a screenplay or into a placea stage one. Robert Lamar when I
was running I was an artistic directorat Neptune Theater a long time ago.
It was I loved being in Halifax. It's just a great city and a
(05:51):
great audience and just a great theater. And Robert Lamar came over as a
consultant on a couple or three showsthat I did, and so we had
sort of kept in touch over theyears, and then during the middle of
COVID, when everybody was kind ofat sixes and sevens, Robert got an
idea about a project to actually seriouslydiscuss the concept of happenstance versus destiny and
(06:21):
called me and said, do youthink this a has legs or possibility of
legs as the show? And Ithought, yeah, I think it does.
And then over the period of ourdiscussions it was decided that Robert said,
well, you want to write thedamn thing? And I sure,
Okay, I'll write it. Andbecause Robert was so clear on what we
(06:44):
needed to articulate and define to actuallymake these series of experiments work, I
was able to write a great storywhich kind of surrounds. This helps the
story to move forward and follows reallyalong the line of what Robert discussed his
learning from his grandfather is now deceasedgrandfather a series of tests to show one
(07:11):
way or another, to prove oneway or another that destiny does or does
not exist. And it was funto put together. Robert is a wonderful
artist and a wonderful performer. Thecrew that we had working with that we
were working with on this show areabsolutely brilliant. There's only a couple of
well, three or four people whoput this thing together, and it looks
(07:31):
like a million. When I rana budget for this thing, it was
about one hundred and twenty five thirtythousand dollars to put this show on,
and these three or four people didthis whole thing on far far less than
that, and it made it looklike it cost every penny of one hundred
and quarter. I have a fewpassions in my life, things that I've
(07:57):
grown to enjoy, including live performanceand arts. But I find if we're
looking at and forgive me, ifthis is in any way offensive to what
we're discussing, that between stand upcomedians and magicians, you have people who
present things entirely in different ways.But they tell you either I'm going to
(08:20):
expose universal truths through laughter or I'mgoing to fool you on purpose. Are
these psychological experiments? Are these tricks? How is it that you're able to
expose or to uncover this truth,whether it's fate or destiny. Well,
here's the real question. I mean, I understand your point. You're right.
(08:46):
A number of years ago, justa personal story. A number of
years ago, I sort of outof money and wasn't doing much. I'm
working as an actor, but Ireally whe the hell is my rent going
to come from? And I practicedmeditation every day, and I was sitting
in meditation on the phone rang andI don't answer the phone. When I
(09:09):
was in meditation, we didn't havesilencers on the phones then, so I
saw for some reason, I thought, well, what the hell, I'll
answer this one. And a guyat the other end of the line said,
are you interested in directing a show? And I said a bigger pardon?
He said are you interested in directinga show? And I said,
(09:31):
yeah, what does this entail?And we started talking to each other.
Suddenly I had money to pay myrent. Suddenly I was able to change
directions in my life and in mycareer, and suddenly I found a really
glorious path on which to move forward. Is that destiny or is that chance?
(09:52):
And do I prove it or disproveit? I don't know. To
me, it proved it. Ithought, yeah, this is destined to
have. But you look at theseexperiments that we do on the stage.
Some of them people will go,oh, I don't know. Is that
destiny? Yeah? I think itis, But do you tell me after
you've seen it. So the samething applies, by the way, to
(10:16):
one of the shows you've talked about, or at least types of the show
you've talked about. Yeah, everybodyin the world has a perspective. I
believe my perspective would be really important. Okay, great, but test it
out. I had a great Yogionce who taught me if the experiment works.
It was about a particular Proniama exercise. So if it works, great,
use it. If it doesn't,find something else. That's where I've
(10:39):
lived ever since. Man does thatnot in some ways, though, speak
to the fact that as humans welook for order in disorder. We look
for patterns where there's randomness. I'mhearing you, and it sounds like the
secret what you put out into theuniverse is what you get back, or
whether you look at it as anaffirmation that these are the things that I
(11:00):
want to visualize, and if Ivisualize them enough, I will see them
to their conclusion or to their birth. Well, the certain elements of quantum
physics is that if you visualize somethinghard and far enough, it will in
fact occur. I mean, whydoes an airplane fly? You tell me
it's because of a little vacuum overthe wing. I don't freaking think so.
(11:22):
Man, it flies because everybody onthe planet believes it's going to fly.
So there is an element of thatin there. But is a destiny
that we fly? Yeah? Probablyit is. I mean, we weren't
born with wings, but I donot What is destiny? What is destiny?
That's really the question. That isdestiny just a series of events that
happen in one's life, or isit, in fact the culmination of a
(11:46):
series of electronic emissions that were blastedinto the universe at the time of the
Big Bang And it just follows aseries of sine waves that are going on
into infinity And we're just a partof that sine wave all the way along.
I don't know. To me,that's far more likely than anything else.
And every day then becomes an experiment. It's not like I'm being controlled
(12:11):
by some outside force. It's I'mjust on this harmonic path, harmonic path,
man. And if that path,if I can stay in harmony,
I'm happy doing it. If Ican't stay in harmony, then I won't
be happy doing it. We haveelements of spirituality, of even perhaps religion,
the grand question where did we comefrom? How did we get here?
(12:35):
Where are we going? That seemsto be a lot of pressure to
put on a one person play calledThe Gift and experience the Gift. Where
does where does your perspective come from? Today? Well, I've been in
this business for a long long timeand lived for a long long time,
(13:00):
and my perspective has been solidified literallyfrom all those kinds of experiences in my
life where I wake up, whereI sit there thinking how the hell am
I going to pay the rent?And the phone rings where I decide At
one point in my life, OK, I'd started my career wanting to be
a psychologist, and I'd taken mymaster's in psychology, and I thought I'll
(13:22):
just go back and do that.At one point in time, because I
don't know, I thought, I'mloving the theater, but maybe I should
do something a little more worthwhile.And the day I was going to enroll
for university, I got all kindsof scholarships to go back, and I
got a phone call again from WalterLearning at Theater New Brunswick, who said,
(13:46):
you want to direct a show forme? And I thought, this
is a sign from the heavens man, it just is. I said,
yeah, I'll do it. Andwhen did the start rehearsal the first day
that I was supposed to start class, So I don't know. Well,
all I tell you is this isa series of events in my life that
have occurred that make me feel that, yeah, it is destined to occur.
(14:09):
You are a believer and given thetechnical challenges of us connecting for this
conversation, perhaps this was meant tobe. I had obviously had an opportunity
to speak with some of the peoplebehind this. This is a Brooks Diamond
production starring Robert Lamar and it isplaying till mid February at Saint Andrew's Church
(14:33):
Hall on Coburg Road. This isa fascinating conversation, and I don't want
I could talk for hours about thistype of this topic, and I guess
the last thing I would ask,Because you say this is participatory without it
being this isn't where I'm not throwingtoast on the stage. I'm not.
This isn't a pan of mine.This is an awakening for some perhaps eye
(14:56):
opening experience. What of those folkswho be reluctant because they say, you've
seen crabs before. You know,people don't always want to be singled out
and don't always want to be engagedin that way. Do I have an
unwritten contract that if I buy aticket, that I going through the door,
that there's a there's a chance Imight be on stage. God,
I hate that. No, youdon't. Everybody who comes, anybody who
(15:18):
wants to. If nobody wants toparticipate, they don't have to. But
anybody who wants to participate will drophis or her name or their name into
a box at the beginning, andduring the course of the evening, when
it comes time to do an experiment, somebody's name will be selected out of
that box. And if your nameisn't in there. You ain't gone up
(15:39):
which is great. You can sitthere and watch. I was I remember
the first shot production of this whenwe did a preview of this. This
is a couple of weeks ago,and there were place was full, one
hundred and something people in there,and I said, I went in front
of them and said, looky,if you want to do this, this
is school. If you don't,this is also cool. But if you
want to be one of the execsparameters, put your name in that.
(16:02):
So out of that hundred maybe wellI think maybe all one hundred of them
put their names in, which wassilly because they were all dumping them and
I'm like, wow, well that'scool. Only ten people are brought up
on the stage. So the oddsagainst you being a gup there unless you're
destined to be up there are prettyminimal. But if you are the one
(16:22):
that's the ones that are destined tobe up there, you will find quite
an intriguing series of events happening.And are you having to do silly things
and dance and sing and that's sortof stuff? Now? Are you sometimes
just working on a line of thoughtthat will encourage or discourage a perspective yes,
(16:48):
And if you don't want to beup there, you don't have to
be. It's simple. I personallyme never volunteer to go on the stage.
They pay me actor fees or equityfees if I get yep, no,
I'm joking, but I just don'tdo that. I'd like just to
watch and to figure out what seewhat other people do. Some people absolutely
love going onto the stage and beinga performer, but they're not going to
(17:11):
be a performer in this case.You're just if you or your name is
in a hat, and if youare the one who is selected, you
will be on there. Just inengaging in an experiment. And the experiments
are fairly structured, fairly well structuredand laid out so that you can follow
that easily and without any kind ofpersonal embarrassment. Just go, yes,
(17:37):
okay, I can do this,and wow, bless my soul. In
either works, ever it doesn't work, that's what the experiment's about. Ron
Ulrich, it is a pleasure tomeet you this way. I'm glad that
we were able to connect today,and I thank you for this well,
thank you and thank you for takingtime to talk me through how to get
connected on this It was really cool, all the best s
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