December 4, 2025 • 60 mins
Aaron and Darlene watch some classic sci-fi from the 1950s and '60s, good and bad. They talk about what makes these films memorable and fun, and if you should take a trip back in time and enjoy these films as well.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But aren't you fellows ever positive only about doomsday? What
could be worse than disappointing a little girl disappointing a
big girl.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I have other ways of securing your cooperation.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Sorry, miss I was giving myself an oil job. When
was it just a zumbly as we've seen attitude to
it since we gave to a few low cabbages an
intellectual carrot.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That mind boggles you see you see your stupid lives.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Stupid, stupid, I said Santa Claus. Long enough, we will
bring him to Mars. I've been afraid a lot of
times in my life, but I didn't know the real
meaning of fear until until I kiss peck me. One
thing will be clear. It's not from man to interfere
in the ways of God's life.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Good evening, everybody, and welcome to Earth Versus Soup Episode
two eighty five. I'm Aaron Pollier, I'm Darling. We wanted
to do another good movie for another five or ten episode,
and we decided that we were going to again go
a little outside the sci fi horror band of movies
(01:31):
for Earth Versus Soup and do something that's slightly adjacent
and may apply. I thought there was a good possibility
that it could apply, and it does. It does, And
this movie is sort of Sherwood Forest from nineteen sixty.
It is a Hammer film, It's just not a Hammer
horror film. Okay, Darling, do you have any background for it?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
No, because I didn't look. Well, there's the eighty minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's eighty minutes long. It was filmed in Ireland, Okay,
at the odd More studios. See you did have information. Yeah,
it's eighty minutes long. And as a Hammer film, it
actually shares some interesting connections to other Hammer movies. Terrence
(02:18):
Fisher is the director. Terence Fisher has done most of
the best Hammer movies. He's also like the core of
Hammer directors. Alan Hackney is the writer who's done other work. Here.
We actually have Peter Cushing who's playing the Sheriff of
Nottingham in this, and of course Peter Cushing is Hammer
horror and amazing. We also get like a cameo of
(02:41):
Oliver Reed in this, who has done other Hammer movies
that we have reviewed. He played the werewolf in Hammer's
Werewolf Movie. He was also in the movie with the
Radioactive Kids. We've seen him in quite a few of
these movies. So Richard Green is actually playing Robin Hood
in this So, uh, where where should we go with this? Uh?
(03:06):
It was an interesting movie, but I think we can
talk about the plot.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, the plot is, well, it is a Robin Hood plot,
but it is right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
A little bit different, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Where you find out that the sheriff is not the
key evil.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Okay, that's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You start with.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Robin Hood already being an outlaw. Yes, the beginning of
the movie, Robin is already an outlaw, and it is
kind of a non standard Robin Hood plot in a
weird way, isn't it. Like, Well, let's let's yeah, right
at the beginning of the movie, let's just talk about it.
The opening credits actually have some kind of stylized animation. Uh, well,
(03:59):
I should and say animation stylized art of Robinhood, the
merry Men, Knights, et cetera. Right, I thought it was
pretty good. Okay, okay, you're you're allowed to like yell
in opinions here, darline. So we actually have a bard
singing about the beginning of the plot, how Robin is
fighting against the evil sheriff, and we have a shot
(04:24):
of a waterfall. We have the Sheriff's men that encounter
a man and they take an amulet from him and
they one of the guys says that it is They
wonder if this is the guy that they're looking for,
but it clearly is because they pull this amulet from
this guy right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
After shooting him with a crossbon.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But the guy isn't dead. He isn't dead. He flees
on a horse and is shot again by a crossbowman. Okay,
he's slumped over his horse, but the horse is still
going and they are chasing him, and the sheriffs men
are stopped by arrows from Robin Hood and his gang
(05:08):
of outlaws. Now they're stopped in such a way with
arrows that it clearly becomes clear that Robin has been
training all of his men in longbows, and these longbow
arrows are impacting into the Sheriff's men in their crossbows
to like warn them off. Again. The skill is in
(05:29):
ensuring that these Sheriff's men aren't being killed at this time,
at this time, because I don't know. All through this movie,
it's very very obvious that Robin is trying to not
commit crimes unless it's specifically against the sheriff, not just
(05:50):
the sheriff's men, but against the sheriff because he feels
like everyone is being.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Used, which goes to my theory that I have sure
that everyone in this thing was in the military with
the King, either in France or on the Crusades.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yes, so we will get into this. Here's the because
it takes place.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, you got to understand that this would be
enlightening for just.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Went we went down a rabbit hole with ideas. Exactly
when this movie was taking place.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
A sheriff has reavers. His main job is to collect taxes,
so he has that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
The King's permit, permit he has he has, he has
permission to collect the tax And.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
What happens is that these guys probably went onto into
the military. And when you do that, which guy the
merry Men and Robin Hood And if they came back
before the king and any decrees, they would have still
(07:17):
owed the taxes. Yeah, but if they were in the
military at that time, that was them serving their taxes.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah. Their service to the king would have been their taxes.
So the sheriff wouldn't have had a right to seize
any land or property or goods from anyone I know
this seems like we're going off on a tangent, but
we literally had like an hour and a half conversation
about what makes sense in robin hood films. Why would
(07:47):
they be outlaws? Why? Yeah, why is Robin an outlaw?
Because at least in this film, specifically, the merry men
and Robin aren't accused of being murder or or even thieves.
It seems like it's only that their property has been
seized by the sheriff, and the sheriff has been wanting
(08:09):
to imprison them for unpaid taxes and breaking the law
because of that right. Because you even have that when
the guy is killed, that's later on. That's later on,
and we will get to it at that that point.
It makes an interesting thought process because obviously we don't
live in the UK, we're not used to British law
(08:32):
in general, and of course this is taking place likely.
Our theory was that this is not taking place during
the Crusades, but this is taking place sometime in the
latter part of the Hundred Years War.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In somewhere in the Under Year War, after they've introduced
the longbows to the battlefield.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But longbows aren't so widespread as to be used by
like the Sheriff's men. The sheriffs men are are only
using crossbows, and some of the main villains in this
are searching for people that are good longbowmen. So, yeah,
it's we think that it was taking place somewhere in
(09:17):
the late one hundred Years War, and if Robin was
a noble, if he held a title at this point,
and he had been gone on out on the war.
Because remember, Robin in this movie has sword fighting skills.
I know we're not talking about the platforms. I'm sorry
we've gone off on a tangent. But if he has
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sword fighting skills, he clearly is not a commoner. He
also seemingly is an expert longbowman.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's because he's been training.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yes, but it's not only which.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is why guards would have crossbows because you don't really
need to train with those.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, no, it takes less skill to use a crossbow.
But here's the kind of like paradox of Robin hood.
If he's a great sword fighter, he's not an expert
sword fighter, but he's a great sword fighter. That suggests
that he is not a commoner, correct, But since he's
such a good longbowman, it suggests that he is a
commoner because that's where the Longbowman came from. Oh, the
(10:20):
Welsh and English. Yeah, and so it it's confusing from
a historical point of view. That being said, obviously the
robin Hood tales are not supposed to be historically accurate.
But the fact is that a lot of the little
details in this movie made us talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
The legend of Robin Hood and how.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It applied to real history, how we could justify certain
aspects of the common tales of like, oh, he's off
on crusade, he comes back and the sheriff has confiscated
his land. Well, that wouldn't have been legal for the
sheriff to do if he was a noble because he
would have been paying his taxes via service to the
(11:05):
king during wartime. So that means that technically Robin Hood
himself likely wouldn't have been an outlaw, but became an
outlaw because he saw the injustice that the sheriff did
and decided to help the common man.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Could have been could have been uh uh, all the
he's confiscated all the land and they have to wait.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
For the lioneheart Richard to come back, the or whoever whoever.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Whatever's above him, and we thought we talked about him
possibly being a knight.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, that's my theory. That's my theory is that he
was a well, okay, we talked about it. I came
up with this idea and you kind of agreed with
it that it's possible that during the war he was
a commoner, a commoner longbowman that might have had minor
skill in the sword and on the battlefield a the
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king or let's say a duke, because I think a
duke could probably present him to a king at that
point with enough credit to say, this guy is an
amazing fighter. He saved my life. Can we knighte him?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He could have been a knight and just been trained
by his his his people, that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
He actually cared about learning how to do a lot,
so he could do.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The military of the what is.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It in emass in mass Yeah, the the the longbow,
like just mass firing. Yeah, but that is possible. But
the fact is is that we had this idea that
maybe Robin did have some property as a knight, that
he had like a home and like one plot of land,
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and the merry men could have been like people that
were a part of his friend.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Group, his his entourage of urge, his guardsmen.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, and so he doesn't really have a inheritable title.
He's like, it wouldn't pass down to like my children
or something, this knighthood. Some knighthoods do. But it's possible
that he had like this minor property and even though
the king awarded him this minor piece of property, that
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it could have already been confiscated by the sheriff. And
when he got back, it was like, oh, look, the
sheriff has actually confiscated this property. I've asked for it back.
The sheriff refuses, even though the king gave me, you know,
et cetera, et cetera. I know, we've kind of gone
off on a complete tangent. The fact is is that
I like it when a movie gives us enough detail
(13:39):
that it makes us look up information and think about
possibilities and trying to like go, Okay, yes, this is
a silly story that's not supposed to be historically accurate,
but we could make up ideas of how it could
be historically accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And the sheriff are not when I looked it up
during the film. Yeah, Uh, it had to be appointed
by the mayor and.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
The Council of Nottingham of Nottingham. Okay, so it was, oh,
you're looking it up again. But but let's let's let's
let's get back to the plot. So the the Sheriff's
men are stopped by Robin's men firing into them. The
guy that has been shot and fled falls at the river,
and some of the merry men immediately start tending to
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his wounds.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Like before this, you actually see that there's a woman
that was in the It was a river, but it
was also wider at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh, is this where you see her immediately even Okay,
so she falls into the river, Well, he falls into
the river, and we do see a woman. We learn
later that that's Marion.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yes, she's hiding in the books Bush's as she gets
dressed as these guys are checking out.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
So Robin and little John, okay, now we're gonna show
We're either going to show some brilliance here or some
abject ignorance about how how this worked back in the day.
But we will later learn that Marian's full name is
Marian Fitzwalter, which suggests that she's of a she's of
(15:19):
a line that is a bastard child of a king,
correct a.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
King or a duke because of the fits part of
the fits.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Okay, which is interesting because if you don't think about
the Fitzwalter part of her name, there are parts of
the film where she wears purple. Yeah, and that was like,
didn't look it up. That was a that was a
question that we had about purple costuming. How A when
was it only appropriate for nobles to wear purple? Now again,
(15:53):
we're not experts. The fact is is that we know
enough to be dangerous about like heraldry and and and
the nobility of this time. We just know enough to
be dangerous because let's be fair, I can look, I
can look, and ten feet from me, I have a
bookshelf with at least twenty books on medieval history, and
(16:14):
you know, a medieval history of England, Wales, Scotland, et cetera.
So we know enough to be dangerous. Anyway, Robin Hood
basically encounter well, Robinhood encounters Marion and tells her that
that he look, don't run away. They don't know each
other at this point, okay, but she's like, I need
(16:36):
to get going. You guys are outlaws. I don't want
to have anything to do with you. But I've been
hiding in this this force for what reason, Darlene, what
was the reason she was in there? I don't remember
hearing it. Maybe it was just like it was an
unused area and it was nice, clean water, and that's
why she came out. She like, there, oh, just because
it's a nice area.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Okay, yeah, and he actually gives goes I will tell my.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Men that they need to avoid us, avoid this, so
you can swim here in peace. I will, yeah, And
she's like, no, I don't think I'll ever come back
because I want to have nothing to do with you ruffians.
All right, Fine, So there's a whole scene where there's
a song and dance at the camp. That night, they
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will not dance, but there's a song, everyone eats, and
we learned that the guy that was shot still isn't dead,
that he is being tended to. Okay, cool. So at
this the next day, Marian comes back out to the
forest on horseback and she stabs a note into the
tree with a knife and I think a dagger, And
(17:47):
I think this is actually cute because we have a
lot of back references already. Now, I did not mention it.
But when Marian and Robin were talking earlier, she held
him off at first with that dagger that she stabs
under the tree with the note. And it's supposed to
mean that, well, this note basically says, hey, look, I
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need you, Robin to come and see me. I have
an idea about how to have all this violence end
between you and your group of outlaws and the sheriff. Again,
Marian doesn't really know Robin at this point. All she
knows is that this guy caught her in kind of
(18:33):
a compromising position. She was not nude, but caught her
in a compromising position and seemed like a gentleman, even
though she felt threatened still by him and his men.
He did not make advances on her, he did not
aggle her, He did not treat her as anything with
anything less than respect. So She's like, Okay, maybe the
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sheriff all these like tales about how Robin and his
men are actually doing good and the and the sheriff
is that fault for all this crap. Maybe that is true.
So I'm gonna come out here and pin this note
saying come and visit me. I might have a solution
to all this.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
She was requested. We find out later she was requested
Yeah by Noddingham. Sure as a parlay.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, parlay to parlay, uh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
To negotiate to release him from being an outlaw.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, so if you would do something. Yeah, we get
to we get to that scene and we we actually
have Robin going to Marion's home and it is a
home right like it actually has like proper walls, like
stone walls and everything. And again this it seems a
little run down for a fits so to speak, who
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is wearing purple, but again we know enough to be dangerous. Anyway.
Robin comes out to see her and says, look, hey,
I saw that you. I saw that you pinned this
note to the tree with the dagger, and and she's like, yeah,
I wanted you to know that it was me that
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did it, because you looked at that dagger very close,
and I think you're an intelligent man. You would remember
that it was me. So like if you didn't see
me specifically come out to the forest, your men would
bring the note in the dacker and you would know
it was me. And okay, okay, Marian, good job, you're
kind of thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And he said, I'm returning your dagger.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm returning here. That's why I knew it was a dagger. Yeah, yeah,
and he like throws it onto the table near her
and he wonders like, why did you want to bring me?
And then the sheriff walks in and he's like, oh,
you son of a bitch, did you just betray me
and the and the sheriff goes, no, no, no, hold on,
I'm here unarmed, and Robin has the sword still on
(20:57):
him at this point, so doesn't he draw the sword
if I remember correctly, And he's like. The Sheriff's like, look, no, really, dude,
I'm unarmed, and he's holding up his hands. I'm here
to just talk for a second, and Robin says, fine. Talk.
The sheriff says, that guy that fell in the forest
that we shot yesterday, that was on horseback, he is
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a wanted killer. I want you to bring him back
out here, give him to me, and I'll give you
a pardon. And Robin's like, well, I don't know who
you're talking about, and the sheriff kind of goes okay, look,
I know he's out there. You know I know that
he's out there. Just bring him out here. You can
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get a pardon, and Marian's kind of like, Robin, this
might be a good way to stop the violence. And
Robin is clearly like saying to himself, I don't think
Marian's in on this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He even says that he didn't think too. Come later
in the film to John that he didn't think.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Marion had any ill intent.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Any ill a tent because the sheriff does go back
on that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh, the cheff breaks his word all the time. So
Robin says, okay, look, look, look, look, even if I
have this guy, there's no reason I would give it
give him to you because I know you are a
liar and you never keep your word.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So what's the good of the word of a pardon
to somebody that would break.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
His Yeah, basically yeah. And Marian's looking at Robin at
this point saying, oh my god, you're an idiot. The
Sheriff's an honorable man, right, because she has no reason
to believe otherwise. She's heard the stories clearly, but she
doesn't really have any reason for, you know, to believe otherwise.
So at this point, the Sheriff's like, okay, well, I
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gave you the chance, buddy, seize him and like guys
coming out of the woods nearby Marian's place. And Marion
looks pissed. She's like, you're breaking your word, that he
could come here from Parlay and breaking my word. And
he's like he looks at her, and remember the sheriff's
played by Peter Cushing. Peter Cushing has charismen. He looks
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at her and goes, why would I keep my word
to a criminal? And and Marian looks completely disgusted. She's angry.
But obviously Robin gets away, and I think, I think
at this point I was sold on the movie. I
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was like, Okay, this is not a standard Robinhood movie,
even though it has a lot of standard kind of
The sheriff is betraying people. You know, he's meeting Marion.
Marion clearly is a little taken with Robin. Robin's a
little taken with Marion. But there's there's a different plot
happening here about this guy that the sheriff is claiming
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is a murderer. The sheriff really wanted to get this guy.
Now he's willing to like openly betray his own word,
to go back on his own word to a woman
that we might think we Darlene and I think might
be somewhat related to the royal family. No. Might No,
(24:19):
we don't know, but might be. It's interesting. So back
at the camp, back at Robin's camp, the man wakes
up and he goes, oh, oh, I must get this
to uh what is it? Boriite is what he says,
borite or something like that. I must get this to
borote this this symbol or whatever whatever he was holding.
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And then he dies, He actually dies, and all right, fine,
we go on. The sheriff comes out with a fairly
large search party.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay, it does say that generally understood the scarlet tones
such as and purple were important items in the wardrobe
of royalty.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay. In the medieval Mary and Marion wears purple a
couple of soon is the dog gone guards? What really
the two guards were wearing purple. So this is what
I was telling you about.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I didn't think that they did well with the the costumes.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Okay, but it makes sense with somebody with a last
name that has fits in it right kind of maybe? Okay,
but anyway, back to this, back to this, So the
sheriff comes out to the forest with a fairly large
search party, and this is actually a lot of extras.
They come out with a lot of crossbowmen, horsemen, pikemen.
There's even pikeman out there. And Robin decides, okay, look,
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we got a break camp. These guys are going to
find us. They're heading in our general direction of our camp,
and the sheriff is giving really competent orders to his men,
like and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This spotter has already set somebody with a a with
a sound or something.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, that the man we're coming. Yeah, And so Robin says, okay,
we gotta go. Let's break camp.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They pick up Brad, they pick up Oh, there was
even the the metalworking.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
They had a forge. They started breaking down a forge
and broake down a forge. One guy was trying to
catch all the pigs and things like that. So it
was actually a sizable camp that was semi permanent with
that forge.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You're getting the idea from this is what gave me
the idea that the sheriff has been over taxing okay
people and they're now having to put them to put.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Their businesses out with the outlaws because that's the only
way they can make coin or not be it in
their home anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Because they owe taxes and can't afford to pay if
they're the farming had.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
A bad year, yes that anyway, anyway, it's that's interesting.
But one of the guys gets captured by the sheriff.
And this is a guy named Alan Alan Adale. This
is the spotter, okay, and the sheriff pins him to
a tree with you know, his guys, his guards holding
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him to a tree, and says, Alan, I'll give you
a pardon. And and we actually learned that Alan might
be might be a titled he's at least a landed
person because you'll get to see your your women and
your your wife and child, and you can they can
have the property that I have seized back, because that's
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part of the that's part of the thing. We learned
that there's a question to whether his wife and child
have access to their home anymore. So it's not like
they were serfs or like just regular peasants. It seems
like they actually were freemen at the very least. Now
we never hear Alan referred to with a title. But
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there's property, there's actual property and money somehow involved here,
especially with what happens later with I'll point to the
character on on my notes especially with that. Okay, So
sheriff says, look, i'll give you the i'll give you
the i'll give you a pardon. If you just tell
me where the camp is, it'll make my life easier.
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I'm gonna find him.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Made Marion is there.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, Made Marian's there, and the guy is getting slapped
around a bit, and finally he says, fine, i'll give
it to you. I know you're gonna find him. I
know you're gonna at some point find them because you
have enough men out here and you are heading in them.
He's like, he gives them directions and Marian's like, oh,
you've pardoned him, great, well let's go back. And then
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the sheriff turns around and says kill him. I don't
keep my promises to criminals and yeah to outlaws. And
Marian is like at this point completely broken, Like she
she thought that the sheriff a dick after the move
with with Robin, right, but at this point she's like, dude,
this guy's evil.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
This is after the sheriff apologized and to her for
offending her honor.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah about breaking the party, breaking.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The parlay with Robin Hood, because that did effect onto
her honor.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yes, because now how are people going to trust her
word about you know, anything, because the sheriff broke the
peace under her promise of peace. Right, So Marian is
now furious in.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Honor in this time is a very big deal because
written word is not very something that is done very often.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So here's here's here's what happens. Here's what happens. This
guy is like stabbed or no, he shot. He's shot
with a crossbow again, and he's down on the and
by this point, like Robin and I think it's little
John are able to come out there, and Marian is
tending to Alan's wounds, trying to keep him alive. Yeah,
this is this is hours later. Yeah, and Robin comes
(30:12):
back out and Alan is like in tears, saying, I'm
sorry I betrayed you. They gave me a promise that
my wife and child would be able to go home again,
and Robin's like, I forgive you. Don't worry. No one
was captured, we broke camp. Everyone got away, and Alan
just kind of smiles and dies and it's actually kind
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of sad. It actually is sad because it feels like
there was here's a guy that betrayed Robin a bit right,
he did, but he did it for his like family,
thinking that the sheriff had an ounce of honor or
respect in him, ounce of dignity. And he was betrayed
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by the sheriff as well. But here's the guy that
originally that he originally betrayed came back out. Don't worry, Alan,
nothing happened because of it. We already got everyone away,
and I forgive you because at that point, Alan's only
person that he felt that he really hurt was Robin's trust.
And when Robin forgives him, he smiles and dies like
kind of feeling like, Okay, I really didn't do anything wrong.
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But at the very least we can we can make
as viewers, we can see that hey, look, with what
the sheriff did to Alan, truly puts Marion in Robin's camp,
and having Marian and Robin's camp affects this guy.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Actually, because the next scene happens happens.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
To be her arguing with the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Chewing out the sheriff for this dishonor and trying to
get the guy's pardon.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Approved formally approved, because you promised him and then killed him.
The promise still holds she's angry, right, she's angry, she's
and the sheriff is like, I don't give a shit whatever,
I don't keep my word to criminals. He's a criminal
if you did in front of your men and me. Yeah.
So at this point, Robin goes to talk to Friar
(32:14):
Tuck and another man comes in because well, Friarchuck, he's
wanting Friar Tuck to go talk to some other people
about this amulet that might be from a specific area. Okay, cool,
So Robin's talking to Friar Tuck. Frierchuck is your stereotypical
Friar Tuck. He's always hungry, he's kind of gluttonous, he
drinks a lot. But Friar Tuck actually seems to be
(32:37):
an intelligent dude here, not that he isn't in other things,
but fine, whatever. But this nobleman, he's not bumbling.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He just has a He just has a donkey that
doesn't do anything but want to be in its shed.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So he tries to ride this donkey later on, but
has to basically drag the donkey everywhere and never gets
to ride it. Kind of sucks. So the guy that
shows up this no nobleman that shows up is the
Earl of Newark Edward. Okay, so he's there, he's being
a dick, and basically his assistant is Oliver Reed or
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his assassin, and i'll he like orders Friar Tuck to
bring to bring the Earl water, and Friar Tuck brings
him out water nicely, and then the assassin basically says,
that man there who's trying to hide from me, that
man there, I want water, And Robinhood doesn't take shit
(33:32):
from anybody really, right, and this guy's kind of being
a dick. So he comes out with water and then
like just tosses it on the No, he didn't toss it.
He put it in his boot. Yeah, oh yeah, he
poured it into his You insolent ca.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I'll be an insolent cur when you're being an
insolent cur.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And uh, Basically what happens is is the Earl says, stop,
don't kill that man. Let's have a competition, okay, and
it's it's basically, hey, look look dude, if this guy
can kill your prize falcon, you have to forgive him
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for the slight and killing the falcon. But if he
misses killing the falcon at range. You can kill him.
You can kill him, and everyone here will agree you
can just kill him, because technically just dumping water into
the guy's boot wouldn't be a killing offence. You could
you could argue that a noble would say I could
beat him for that? Sure? Is that right? Of course?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Not?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Of course not. But no one would blink an eye
if a noble beat a commoner at this point for
disrespecting him like that, right, But here it's like, I'm
the earl, I'll let you kill him if he misses
this bird. So the guy's like, fine, whatever, and they
release the douchebag that god his boot wet, releases the falcon,
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and Robin, of course is a long bowman and takes
that poor bird out in one shot. And I'm like, oh, okay,
that's really sad, but like Robin's like, that's not really
that hard. What are you trying to do? And and
and the Earl says, looks over to his assassin dude
or whatever his assistant and says, you will forgive him?
And he says, yes, sir, he is forgiven. Okay, there's
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something going.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
On, and then offers Robin one hundred gold.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
One hundred, one hundred marks, one hundred marks for a
couple months work. And that's like a tremendous it was.
It was only a month, a month's work. He goes,
just come out with me. I want you to I
want to hire you for your bow skills.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's what a night gets paid about that time for
a year.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, it's an incredible amount of money. Well you do
you know that for a fact, that that's about what
a night would be paid. I've because again we know enough.
I don't know what a mark is in this.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I don't know what the mark is, okay, but if it.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Was sovereigns, yeah, I mean one.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Hundred sovereigns the way they pay a in thirteen hundreds
would pay a night.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So the way that everyone reacts, the only way I'm
able to judge us, is the way everyone reacts to
that mention of one hundred marks. I'll pay you one
hundred marks to come and work for me for like
a couple months or whatever. It seemed like that was
an insane amount of the reaction of everybody. So Robin's like, uh,
you know what, Okay, I guess I'm curious. I'll come
out sure whatever. So at this point, at this point,
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the sheriff tries to claim the dead man's estate and
he goes to like the court and basically Allen's estate,
Allen's estate, saying, look, he died, he's dead, and yes
he was a criminal, but that meant like the property
was kept in in trust of basically s scrow. Yeah,
so but now he's died and he was a criminal,
(36:57):
that means I'm I can conf skate it for the crown,
and you can. You can clearly see that, Like the
judge is completely browbeaten by the sheriff or like threatened
by him in some way shape or for power. Yeah
whatever the judge was. So anyway, there's like a couple
guys that try to speak up, like regular commoners that
are like trying to say, I speak up for Alan.
(37:20):
You don't have the right to do this. Every time
you count the skate a castle or a manor home,
you tear it down and build a build a castle there.
He says, you build a wald castle there, and you
destroy the village of people that are living there, and
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all you do is this, And like a couple other
people are like, yeah, you can't build a castle without
the king's permission. Remember, you can have a manor home
that's unwalled, but once it's a waled manor home, that's
a castle. When you have defenses and all that, it's
a castle. And you can only do that with the
caing permission. But the king's in France. So why is
(38:03):
the sheriff. Why is the sheriff technically not a noble
at all, either he's appointed by the mayor or the
city council. Why is he building castles? Yeah, that's wow. Right,
So anyway, finally the judge is like, oh, okay, all
(38:23):
this crap is you know, all this all this is nonsense.
I'm going to award it to the sheriff. And suddenly
this guy comes in and says the hell you are.
I mean not literally saying the hell you are, But
this guy comes in and says, I have something to say,
and he goes.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
He walks up to the bow brower or whatever he is,
the judge and holds out his hand, which, if you
know any of this time, there's usually a ring, a
signet ring that has his.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Symbol on it. Symbol on it. Guy walks in, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he puts it. He puts it right in front of everybody,
and the judge is just like okay, and the dude says,
you're not giving it to the sheriff. You are going
to give it back to the family. You pardon the man,
And the Sheriff's like, how does this guy know this?
And Marian's kind of in the back grinning, like grinning
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with a shit, shit eating grin. And it turns out
that this guy is the Archbishop of Cannabury who was
also the King's chancellor, and he's like Lord Chancellor, the
Lord Chancellor of England, and like the Chancellor's just like
I have spoken f you all. I'm gonna go take it.
I'm gonna take it to London, this information to London
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and his widow and child get this. I'm taking this
information of London. I'm leaving goodbye. And the judge, like
the judge and the sheriff aren't shock and the judge
just kind of looks over the boy or whatever his
name is. He looks to the to the sheriff and says,
I can't do it anything, and the and the sheriff says,
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don't worry, I'll take care of it. Oh my god,
oh my god. And I know it seems like a
really simple scene, and it is a simple scene, but
like the drama amps up here, Like, holy crap, how
did Marian get the freaking Archbishop of Canterbury involved? She
didn't he come in. I know, he was just like because, uh,
(40:23):
he heard about all this stuff going He.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Heard about all that stuff going on. That's why the
guy was there. Yeah, they got shot.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, find out because he was trying to find the
Archbishop of Canterbury to warn him about what we're going
to learn in the next scene. Okay, but the fact
is that somehow Marian got involved and informed the Archbishop
of Canterbury all of this information about like the sheriff
breaking his word and actually giving a pardon. And it's like, okay,
(40:55):
no good will ever come of all of this. This
is just going to end in nonsense and jet it happens,
it will, it will bloodshed. But it gets wacky how
much like people are betraying other people. And while I
normally get sick and tired of that kind of crap
happening in movies, in this it's actually kind.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Of you're not You're not right now, You're not seeing
who's pulling the strings strings.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And we will okay, yeah, we'll get to that scene.
We'll get to that scene. So where are we. Robin
and the the the noble that he went with, the
Earl have this shooting contest where they're like shootingwork, yeah,
Earl of Newark at his castle. They're shooting like swinging bells,
or they're they're shooting like pumpkins through arrow slits and
(41:44):
things like that through a spinning wheel. And the Earl
is actually pretty good with the bow, let's be fair,
but he's not as good as Robin. Because the the
Earl is actually hitting these really difficult targets, just not
as much as Robin is. He's like, okay, I got you.
I want to I want to hire you to kill
a man and and Robin's like, what what it's who
(42:10):
am I supposed to kill? Well? Do you really need to?
Does that really matter? I'm paying you to do this.
And Robin's like, well, yeah, I guess it kind of does, sir.
So Robin's kind of playing along.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Right, He's been playing around because he knew that there
was something wrong with this earl.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But then the sheriff just shows
up the sheriff just shows up and Robin's like, but
he's done with that court thing. Yeah, yeah, he just
shows up and yeah, it's because he's done with the
court thing and he's come to talk to the earl.
But it just turns out that Robin is there, and
Robin's like, zoc, I'm out by and he just like
runs off after like shooting a couple of dudes.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well he this is something that wouldn't have been able
to be done. But because this was a probably a ruin, Yeah,
Robin is able to steal the Earl's horse, no, the
sheriff's horse, the sheriff horse, the sheriff's horse, and jumps over.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The wall and he's gone. And the sheriff is like,
what what are you doing collaborating with Robinhood? And the
Earl's like, wait a second, that was Robin hoodssed off.
The Earl is just like he's a good shot. Yeah,
he's a great shot. Why wouldn't I want to hire him?
And and the sheriff is just completely baffled by this,
(43:29):
like you, I can't believe it. He can't like talk
shit to the earl because the Earl clearly outranks him.
But the fact is is that like she does and
then does have every right to. So uh, Marian catches
up with the archbishop. She asked continues asking for justice,
(43:49):
and it turns out we learned that this ambulet once
everyone kind of links together, like Robin Marion and the Archbishop,
that this amulet is a symbol implying that the noble
from Newark, Earl of Newark, is going to kill the
archbishop because it's like a hawk holding the Archbishop's flower,
the symbol that he uses, and it's like a symbol
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between assassins that they're all in and on this plot
together and they should actually like help each other. Okay, fine,
So the Archbishop is like, okay, fine, I think I
still need to continue doing exactly this symbol.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Was hanging off of the douche earl bag Earl's assistant
that Robin pours water down the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
So now like once once Robin catches up, everyone knows that,
like the Earl and maybe the sheriff is involved, because
the sheriff just showed up at the Earls for some
reason and it's not And in the scene that we
saw with that where where Robin steals his horse it's
clear that that the sheriff didn't know Robin Hood was there,
(44:58):
that he was coming to the Earl for a different reason.
What that reason is is now pretty clear once we
learn all this other because the.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Earl sends them out with his guards.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
To find the archbishop. You're gonna go find the archbishop,
and the Sheriff's like, oh shit. So Mary and the
Archbishop are attacked by bandits with crossbows. Again very clearly
the Sheriff's men, even though they're kind of dressed differently
this time, because all.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They they dressed like they were.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
The merry Men. Yes they're kind of in green, but
they've got crossbow bolts. So Marian's like, these are the
Sheriff's men. These aren't Robins guys, Robin's guys.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And she actually gets a sword, and because they see
the scene, uh, the bishop is fighting and throws a
sword in her direction and.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
She catches it and actually starts whacking the guy that's
trying to attack her. Now again this this generated a discussion.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, we just whether she was one the sheriff would
have never known that she was gonna be with.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
No, but I also think that the Sheriff's standing orders
were not to hurt Marion at all, because clearly he's
a little scared of Marian. In my opinion, he's a
little scared. It doesn't matter if he like betrayed or like.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He's not scared of her she, he's scared of the
person that is connected that she's connected to.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
And that's what leads into the whole. Is she somehow
related through an illegitimate child to the king, which is
very possible with the purple clothes, her fits in her
last name, her Fitzwalter last name, And it's like, okay, Well,
the sheriff would likely not want to kill a relative
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of the king, even if it was through an illegitimate child.
If that person was looked upon kindly by the current ruler, say,
it would probably put him in a very bad light. Sure,
I can go out and try to kill the damn archbishop,
but the archbishop isn't a family member of the king.
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So that's probably why. And that's why I said Marian
probably isn't a good sword user. It's just that the
dudes that are trying to take her down off the
horse probably have orders not to hurt her, so therefore
they can't defend themselves very well from Marian wailing on
them with a sword in a kind of unskilled way.
Plus she's on horseback and they're on foot, so she's
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obviously attacking their heads with a sword. Anyway, they try
to drag her down, and she like kills a guy. Anyway,
where are we? Let's hear Robin arrives and snipes out
some of the crossbowmen. The Archbishop and Marion take refuge
in a nearby nunnery. Okay, so they take they take
(47:52):
refuge in this numbery and the sheriff shows up at
the battle site. And now it's it's blindingly clear that
the sheriff is involved in this assassination plot, because he's like,
I don't care if they're in a nunnery or not.
You're going to attack the nunnery and kill the archbishop.
He's telling his other dudes, and they're like, okay, sure whatever.
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So Robin is able to like sneak into the nunnery
and he warns the archbishop right before Earl of Newark
comes in and tries to kill them all. But there's
this interesting scene that when the Archbishop and Marion kind
of walk off inside the nunnery. We get the sinister
(48:35):
like grin from the reverend mother that's there, like the nun,
and you're like, okay, wait, wow, this nun isn't bad.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
When I looked at her, I was like, she's probably
related to the.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Earl, probably because again women that were not in direct.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
They bought the positions of prioris. Maybe she married and
then the person died, yeah, and she was granted the
freedom of being a privress.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Instead of So Robin comes in and kind of like
he's wearing a cloak. He sits down next to the
archbishop at like evening prayers and goes, dude, dude, you're
gonna get killed. They're gonna come in here and kill you.
I'm here to warn you about that. And the archbishos
is like, yeah, dude, I know. I mean they're not
saying that exactly obviously, but you know, as a beautiful
song is being sung, yeah, like in prayer, in prayer,
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and then like earl, the Earl comes in and then
we have we actually have like a battle scene and
it it is low energy. If I have one criticism
about it, it feels low energy, but it seems like it
actually is a decent fight scene for the time in
that it's well choreographed. You know exactly who is fighting,
(49:50):
who it where, you know where in the in this
room they are in relation to each other, et cetera,
et cetera. But it feels kind of slow motion in
a way. Does that make sense if I had one
criticism about it? But at this point, like the Earl
of Newark kills the sheriff, Like because the sheriff starts
telling him, you can't kill the archbishop in a nunnery,
(50:13):
and you can't kill Marion, that's not cool. Like if
it was a random assassination out in the forest where
no one knew what was going on, that's a different thing.
But in here there's too many eyes. You were gonna
have to kill all the nuns.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
It's also doing it on sacred ground.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
And on sacred ground, so like there is an ounce
of like morality in the sheriff. I'm not saying that
as a defense of the sheriff, because the sheriff is
clearly a piece of shit, but he actually holds back
a little bit and Earl of Newark is like, okay,
you're useless to me, and just executes.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Him, stabs him three times the first one was with
his assistant in the back, and then the Earl stabs
him two more times with that same dagger.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
So it turns out like the archbishop is actually a
good sword fighter. Yes, okay, fair enough, fine, he's also
like again the chancellor. So you would.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Why would he not be with a big entrear entourage.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Well you have to think that at the very least
some of his entourage, even though we don't see it,
would have been killed in a couple banded attacks.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well it got some of them got killed in that
that ray that Marion was fighting in too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because he had about five right there.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Then Robin ends up killing the Earl of Newark. The
Archbishop's life is saved, and he has taken to Sherwood
Forest and the new encampment for that night. The next day,
the Archbishop ensures says he's going to ensure that the
pardon from earlier is signed and Alan Adale's family will
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be given back their property.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And wealth, and then Marion's says something about getting Robin hood.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
And Robin hood, and the Archbishop is like, I don't
have that power, like, okay to me. That suggests that
Robin actually has done something awful. Does that make sense,
Like if the archbishop is here like trying, well, it
also might say that like the archbishop can't actually pardon
him because the only person that could pardon him is
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whoever is Sheriff of Nottingham at this point, that that
could be it like he could have like a really
petty crime, but like at this point, if the sheriff
doesn't pardon him, he can't enforce it, if that makes sense.
So it's it's one of those two. It's one of
those he can't really do a pardon or Robin's Robin's
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crimes are actually too great. But yeah, Marian's like, no,
you have to get Robin pardoned, and he's like, no,
I can't do that. But Friar Tuck, you might want
to marry them if she keeps coming out here and
defending him and he kind of rides off and marrying
and and and and Robin kind of look at each
other and yeah, okay, yeah, they clearly have feelings they
they embrace and the end. Okay, So it's not science fiction,
(53:05):
it's not horror, it's fantasy. So I'll say it's sci
fi horror adjacent because it is fantasy. It's just very
low you know, like hard fantasy. There's not a lot
of there's no magic, but it's a sword in it's legend. Yeah,
it's legend. So I'm okay with covering it for Earth
versus Soup. What worked in this movie, Darling, I'll let
(53:28):
you go first.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I think the the difference in the Robin Hood story worked,
but the writers in dialogue.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Or that kind of fell apart a little bit fell apart.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
The sword fighting in the archery damn.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Wow. Yeah, even though it was low energy in the last.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
The whole there was it was too long for.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
The art archery thing.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, but at hindsight, make at the end of the
story makes you understand what the guy was trying to do.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah, it makes sense. So I guess my thing will be.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
The acting was top notch, and I don't believe it
or not. It's not because of what you immediately think
that I'm gonna praise Peter Cushing. I think Peter Cushing,
while he is he is second build in this movie,
is such a minor part.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
He was like fourth because it was it was Robin Hood,
Ma Marion, Marion. Then it was between Little John.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
Maybe the Earl had more screen time total than the sheriff. Now,
when the shriff was on screen, it was pretty it
was a lot Sheriff has more maybe fourth maybe fourth.
But and while while Peter Cushing was good, I think
actually everyone did a really good job in this movie,
even with kind of dialogue that that falls apart a bit,
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I think it was pretty good. I'll even go so
far as to say I really like the costuming. The
costuming bothered me though, See you you had complaints about
the costuming because of the purple. I also had some
of it didn't look right because of modern fabric.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Modern fabric was one. The other one was one of
the two guards that were in the purple that was
purple felt and it looked like cost craft felt.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Okay, fine. I thought the on location stuff was really
well shot. There's only a couple times where you're like,
that's a set with trees on it, and it's usually
when they're just in camp at night or whatever they're
saying when their camp. And that was a really good
Uh it's still it's still set. Yeah, a set. It
was really yeah. But the outdoor location stuff I really liked.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I made I made you pause the thing because
I was like, what is moving on in the background?
Speaker 3 (56:10):
It was little piglets and there were real little piglets. Yeah,
it was cute. The piecing of the movie is fine.
I can't say it falls into it works keetter, But
is there anything that really doesn't work in this film?
Like the last sword fighting scene to me, I felt
didn't work. If there's one thing in the movie that
(56:33):
I can say firmly in the church, yeah, in the nunnery.
It's in the chapel, yea explain, but it's it feels
like it is overly choreographed and so everybody is kind
of moving slow, like it wasn't rehearsed enough.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
It probably had to be because then it was rehearsed
probably without the nuns.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
And the uns are screaming and stuff like that. Maybe
maybe maybe do you have any other things that are
like firmly fall into the it does not work category.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
I don't have much that didn't fall in in it
didn't work.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
The humor of the fire tucks uh.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Donkey, that was impressive too.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
The donkey was trained to.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
To just do nothing. Yeah yeah, igree as possible yeah
yeah yeah. Wow. So like after we so okay, insummation.
I think after we finished watching this movie. Immediately after
finishing watching this movie, I was like, Eh, you know,
it's okay, But I don't know if I would recommend
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it or not. Here's the thing. After thinking about it
and having like talking about some of the historical bits
that made us talk to each other and and and
look information up. I know that's not a standard thing
that people should rate a movie on. I have to
give the movie credit for making us have discussions and
talk about ideas of how to fit these ideas into
(58:03):
a historical context I have. For me, I have to
include that because to me, that makes the movie better.
So if I was giving it a one out of
ten yesterday, I would have probably given it a five.
When we finished watching this today, after having all these
discussions and smiling as we remembered scenes, I think I
(58:24):
have to give this a six.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That's where I was gonna sit six. I don't know
for our crowd, I would recommend it. But if you
wanted something a little bit off the beaten path that.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
You're it's still Hammer.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, it's still Hammer, and it's still.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
It still has a lot of still very watchable. It
is very approachable even by kids. And the reason why
we had this was we had a guest in our
house at the time that was young, a younger person,
and we did not want to watch some of the
other movies that we have watched.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Well, there was some of the movies that we scratched
off too.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah, and I thought, Okay, you know what, what's going
to be easily easily approachable by anyone. It's probably a
Robin Hood movie. And you know what, at its core,
Earth versus Soup has always been about like hey, especially
like the first fifty reviews that we did, these are
all movies that like a little kid could watch and
an adult could watch and still both enjoy it. And
(59:29):
to me, this does fit into that idea. Okay, so
I would give it a six out of ten and
lightly recommend it. But what's so you said six out
of ten and also recommend a light recommendation. But maybe
not for everyone that's into sci fi and horror more
than this kind of thing, like an adventure film. So
(59:51):
any any final thoughts, Darlene, Not nothing right now? Okay,
So I'm Aaron, I'm Darlene. Good evening. You keep watching
the Skies. Nope, point in your rambling, incoherent response, were
you even close to anything that could be considered a
rational thought?
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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was it just a zumbly as we've seen attitude to
it since we gave to a few low cabbages an
intellectual carrot.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Stupid, stupid, I said Santa Claus. Long enough, we will
bring him to Mars. I've been afraid a lot of
times in my life, but I didn't know the real
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thing will be clear. It's not from man to interfere
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
Good evening, everybody, and welcome to Earth Versus Soup Episode
two eighty five. I'm Aaron Pollier, I'm Darling. We wanted
to do another good movie for another five or ten episode,
and we decided that we were going to again go
a little outside the sci fi horror band of movies
(01:31):
for Earth Versus Soup and do something that's slightly adjacent
and may apply. I thought there was a good possibility
that it could apply, and it does. It does, And
this movie is sort of Sherwood Forest from nineteen sixty.
It is a Hammer film, It's just not a Hammer
horror film. Okay, Darling, do you have any background for it?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
No, because I didn't look. Well, there's the eighty minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's eighty minutes long. It was filmed in Ireland, Okay,
at the odd More studios. See you did have information. Yeah,
it's eighty minutes long. And as a Hammer film, it
actually shares some interesting connections to other Hammer movies. Terrence
(02:18):
Fisher is the director. Terence Fisher has done most of
the best Hammer movies. He's also like the core of
Hammer directors. Alan Hackney is the writer who's done other work. Here.
We actually have Peter Cushing who's playing the Sheriff of
Nottingham in this, and of course Peter Cushing is Hammer
horror and amazing. We also get like a cameo of
(02:41):
Oliver Reed in this, who has done other Hammer movies
that we have reviewed. He played the werewolf in Hammer's
Werewolf Movie. He was also in the movie with the
Radioactive Kids. We've seen him in quite a few of
these movies. So Richard Green is actually playing Robin Hood
in this So, uh, where where should we go with this? Uh?
(03:06):
It was an interesting movie, but I think we can
talk about the plot.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, the plot is, well, it is a Robin Hood plot,
but it is right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
A little bit different, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Where you find out that the sheriff is not the
key evil.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Okay, that's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You start with.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Robin Hood already being an outlaw. Yes, the beginning of
the movie, Robin is already an outlaw, and it is
kind of a non standard Robin Hood plot in a
weird way, isn't it. Like, Well, let's let's yeah, right
at the beginning of the movie, let's just talk about it.
The opening credits actually have some kind of stylized animation. Uh, well,
(03:59):
I should and say animation stylized art of Robinhood, the
merry Men, Knights, et cetera. Right, I thought it was
pretty good. Okay, okay, you're you're allowed to like yell
in opinions here, darline. So we actually have a bard
singing about the beginning of the plot, how Robin is
fighting against the evil sheriff, and we have a shot
(04:24):
of a waterfall. We have the Sheriff's men that encounter
a man and they take an amulet from him and
they one of the guys says that it is They
wonder if this is the guy that they're looking for,
but it clearly is because they pull this amulet from
this guy right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
After shooting him with a crossbon.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But the guy isn't dead. He isn't dead. He flees
on a horse and is shot again by a crossbowman. Okay,
he's slumped over his horse, but the horse is still
going and they are chasing him, and the sheriffs men
are stopped by arrows from Robin Hood and his gang
(05:08):
of outlaws. Now they're stopped in such a way with
arrows that it clearly becomes clear that Robin has been
training all of his men in longbows, and these longbow
arrows are impacting into the Sheriff's men in their crossbows
to like warn them off. Again. The skill is in
(05:29):
ensuring that these Sheriff's men aren't being killed at this time,
at this time, because I don't know. All through this movie,
it's very very obvious that Robin is trying to not
commit crimes unless it's specifically against the sheriff, not just
(05:50):
the sheriff's men, but against the sheriff because he feels
like everyone is being.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Used, which goes to my theory that I have sure
that everyone in this thing was in the military with
the King, either in France or on the Crusades.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yes, so we will get into this. Here's the because
it takes place.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, you got to understand that this would be
enlightening for just.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Went we went down a rabbit hole with ideas. Exactly
when this movie was taking place.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
A sheriff has reavers. His main job is to collect taxes,
so he has that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
The King's permit, permit he has he has, he has
permission to collect the tax And.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
What happens is that these guys probably went onto into
the military. And when you do that, which guy the
merry Men and Robin Hood And if they came back
before the king and any decrees, they would have still
(07:17):
owed the taxes. Yeah, but if they were in the
military at that time, that was them serving their taxes.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah. Their service to the king would have been their taxes.
So the sheriff wouldn't have had a right to seize
any land or property or goods from anyone I know
this seems like we're going off on a tangent, but
we literally had like an hour and a half conversation
about what makes sense in robin hood films. Why would
(07:47):
they be outlaws? Why? Yeah, why is Robin an outlaw?
Because at least in this film, specifically, the merry men
and Robin aren't accused of being murder or or even thieves.
It seems like it's only that their property has been
seized by the sheriff, and the sheriff has been wanting
(08:09):
to imprison them for unpaid taxes and breaking the law
because of that right. Because you even have that when
the guy is killed, that's later on. That's later on,
and we will get to it at that that point.
It makes an interesting thought process because obviously we don't
live in the UK, we're not used to British law
(08:32):
in general, and of course this is taking place likely.
Our theory was that this is not taking place during
the Crusades, but this is taking place sometime in the
latter part of the Hundred Years War.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In somewhere in the Under Year War, after they've introduced
the longbows to the battlefield.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But longbows aren't so widespread as to be used by
like the Sheriff's men. The sheriffs men are are only
using crossbows, and some of the main villains in this
are searching for people that are good longbowmen. So, yeah,
it's we think that it was taking place somewhere in
(09:17):
the late one hundred Years War, and if Robin was
a noble, if he held a title at this point,
and he had been gone on out on the war.
Because remember, Robin in this movie has sword fighting skills.
I know we're not talking about the platforms. I'm sorry
we've gone off on a tangent. But if he has
(09:38):
sword fighting skills, he clearly is not a commoner. He
also seemingly is an expert longbowman.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's because he's been training.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yes, but it's not only which.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is why guards would have crossbows because you don't really
need to train with those.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, no, it takes less skill to use a crossbow.
But here's the kind of like paradox of Robin hood.
If he's a great sword fighter, he's not an expert
sword fighter, but he's a great sword fighter. That suggests
that he is not a commoner, correct, But since he's
such a good longbowman, it suggests that he is a
commoner because that's where the Longbowman came from. Oh, the
(10:20):
Welsh and English. Yeah, and so it it's confusing from
a historical point of view. That being said, obviously the
robin Hood tales are not supposed to be historically accurate.
But the fact is that a lot of the little
details in this movie made us talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
The legend of Robin Hood and how.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It applied to real history, how we could justify certain
aspects of the common tales of like, oh, he's off
on crusade, he comes back and the sheriff has confiscated
his land. Well, that wouldn't have been legal for the
sheriff to do if he was a noble because he
would have been paying his taxes via service to the
(11:05):
king during wartime. So that means that technically Robin Hood
himself likely wouldn't have been an outlaw, but became an
outlaw because he saw the injustice that the sheriff did
and decided to help the common man.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Could have been could have been uh uh, all the
he's confiscated all the land and they have to wait.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
For the lioneheart Richard to come back, the or whoever whoever.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Whatever's above him, and we thought we talked about him
possibly being a knight.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, that's my theory. That's my theory is that he
was a well, okay, we talked about it. I came
up with this idea and you kind of agreed with
it that it's possible that during the war he was
a commoner, a commoner longbowman that might have had minor
skill in the sword and on the battlefield a the
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king or let's say a duke, because I think a
duke could probably present him to a king at that
point with enough credit to say, this guy is an
amazing fighter. He saved my life. Can we knighte him?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He could have been a knight and just been trained
by his his his people, that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
He actually cared about learning how to do a lot,
so he could do.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The military of the what is.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It in emass in mass Yeah, the the the longbow,
like just mass firing. Yeah, but that is possible. But
the fact is is that we had this idea that
maybe Robin did have some property as a knight, that
he had like a home and like one plot of land,
(12:47):
and the merry men could have been like people that
were a part of his friend.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Group, his his entourage of urge, his guardsmen.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, and so he doesn't really have a inheritable title.
He's like, it wouldn't pass down to like my children
or something, this knighthood. Some knighthoods do. But it's possible
that he had like this minor property and even though
the king awarded him this minor piece of property, that
(13:17):
it could have already been confiscated by the sheriff. And
when he got back, it was like, oh, look, the
sheriff has actually confiscated this property. I've asked for it back.
The sheriff refuses, even though the king gave me, you know,
et cetera, et cetera. I know, we've kind of gone
off on a complete tangent. The fact is is that
I like it when a movie gives us enough detail
(13:39):
that it makes us look up information and think about
possibilities and trying to like go, Okay, yes, this is
a silly story that's not supposed to be historically accurate,
but we could make up ideas of how it could
be historically accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And the sheriff are not when I looked it up
during the film. Yeah, Uh, it had to be appointed
by the mayor and.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
The Council of Nottingham of Nottingham. Okay, so it was, oh,
you're looking it up again. But but let's let's let's
let's get back to the plot. So the the Sheriff's
men are stopped by Robin's men firing into them. The
guy that has been shot and fled falls at the river,
and some of the merry men immediately start tending to
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his wounds.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Like before this, you actually see that there's a woman
that was in the It was a river, but it
was also wider at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh, is this where you see her immediately even Okay,
so she falls into the river, Well, he falls into
the river, and we do see a woman. We learn
later that that's Marion.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yes, she's hiding in the books Bush's as she gets
dressed as these guys are checking out.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
So Robin and little John, okay, now we're gonna show
We're either going to show some brilliance here or some
abject ignorance about how how this worked back in the day.
But we will later learn that Marian's full name is
Marian Fitzwalter, which suggests that she's of a she's of
(15:19):
a line that is a bastard child of a king,
correct a.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
King or a duke because of the fits part of
the fits.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Okay, which is interesting because if you don't think about
the Fitzwalter part of her name, there are parts of
the film where she wears purple. Yeah, and that was like,
didn't look it up. That was a that was a
question that we had about purple costuming. How A when
was it only appropriate for nobles to wear purple? Now again,
(15:53):
we're not experts. The fact is is that we know
enough to be dangerous about like heraldry and and and
the nobility of this time. We just know enough to
be dangerous because let's be fair, I can look, I
can look, and ten feet from me, I have a
bookshelf with at least twenty books on medieval history, and
(16:14):
you know, a medieval history of England, Wales, Scotland, et cetera.
So we know enough to be dangerous. Anyway, Robin Hood
basically encounter well, Robinhood encounters Marion and tells her that
that he look, don't run away. They don't know each
other at this point, okay, but she's like, I need
(16:36):
to get going. You guys are outlaws. I don't want
to have anything to do with you. But I've been
hiding in this this force for what reason, Darlene, what
was the reason she was in there? I don't remember
hearing it. Maybe it was just like it was an
unused area and it was nice, clean water, and that's
why she came out. She like, there, oh, just because
it's a nice area.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Okay, yeah, and he actually gives goes I will tell my.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Men that they need to avoid us, avoid this, so
you can swim here in peace. I will, yeah, And
she's like, no, I don't think I'll ever come back
because I want to have nothing to do with you ruffians.
All right, Fine, So there's a whole scene where there's
a song and dance at the camp. That night, they
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will not dance, but there's a song, everyone eats, and
we learned that the guy that was shot still isn't dead,
that he is being tended to. Okay, cool. So at
this the next day, Marian comes back out to the
forest on horseback and she stabs a note into the
tree with a knife and I think a dagger, And
(17:47):
I think this is actually cute because we have a
lot of back references already. Now, I did not mention it.
But when Marian and Robin were talking earlier, she held
him off at first with that dagger that she stabs
under the tree with the note. And it's supposed to
mean that, well, this note basically says, hey, look, I
(18:13):
need you, Robin to come and see me. I have
an idea about how to have all this violence end
between you and your group of outlaws and the sheriff. Again,
Marian doesn't really know Robin at this point. All she
knows is that this guy caught her in kind of
(18:33):
a compromising position. She was not nude, but caught her
in a compromising position and seemed like a gentleman, even
though she felt threatened still by him and his men.
He did not make advances on her, he did not
aggle her, He did not treat her as anything with
anything less than respect. So She's like, Okay, maybe the
(18:57):
sheriff all these like tales about how Robin and his
men are actually doing good and the and the sheriff
is that fault for all this crap. Maybe that is true.
So I'm gonna come out here and pin this note
saying come and visit me. I might have a solution
to all this.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
She was requested. We find out later she was requested
Yeah by Noddingham. Sure as a parlay.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, parlay to parlay, uh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
To negotiate to release him from being an outlaw.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, so if you would do something. Yeah, we get
to we get to that scene and we we actually
have Robin going to Marion's home and it is a
home right like it actually has like proper walls, like
stone walls and everything. And again this it seems a
little run down for a fits so to speak, who
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is wearing purple, but again we know enough to be dangerous. Anyway.
Robin comes out to see her and says, look, hey,
I saw that you. I saw that you pinned this
note to the tree with the dagger, and and she's like, yeah,
I wanted you to know that it was me that
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did it, because you looked at that dagger very close,
and I think you're an intelligent man. You would remember
that it was me. So like if you didn't see
me specifically come out to the forest, your men would
bring the note in the dacker and you would know
it was me. And okay, okay, Marian, good job, you're
kind of thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And he said, I'm returning your dagger.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm returning here. That's why I knew it was a dagger. Yeah, yeah,
and he like throws it onto the table near her
and he wonders like, why did you want to bring me?
And then the sheriff walks in and he's like, oh,
you son of a bitch, did you just betray me
and the and the sheriff goes, no, no, no, hold on,
I'm here unarmed, and Robin has the sword still on
(20:57):
him at this point, so doesn't he draw the sword
if I remember correctly, And he's like. The Sheriff's like, look, no, really, dude,
I'm unarmed, and he's holding up his hands. I'm here
to just talk for a second, and Robin says, fine. Talk.
The sheriff says, that guy that fell in the forest
that we shot yesterday, that was on horseback, he is
(21:18):
a wanted killer. I want you to bring him back
out here, give him to me, and I'll give you
a pardon. And Robin's like, well, I don't know who
you're talking about, and the sheriff kind of goes okay, look,
I know he's out there. You know I know that
he's out there. Just bring him out here. You can
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get a pardon, and Marian's kind of like, Robin, this
might be a good way to stop the violence. And
Robin is clearly like saying to himself, I don't think
Marian's in on this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He even says that he didn't think too. Come later
in the film to John that he didn't think.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Marion had any ill intent.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Any ill a tent because the sheriff does go back
on that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh, the cheff breaks his word all the time. So
Robin says, okay, look, look, look, look, even if I
have this guy, there's no reason I would give it
give him to you because I know you are a
liar and you never keep your word.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So what's the good of the word of a pardon
to somebody that would break.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
His Yeah, basically yeah. And Marian's looking at Robin at
this point saying, oh my god, you're an idiot. The
Sheriff's an honorable man, right, because she has no reason
to believe otherwise. She's heard the stories clearly, but she
doesn't really have any reason for, you know, to believe otherwise.
So at this point, the Sheriff's like, okay, well, I
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gave you the chance, buddy, seize him and like guys
coming out of the woods nearby Marian's place. And Marion
looks pissed. She's like, you're breaking your word, that he
could come here from Parlay and breaking my word. And
he's like he looks at her, and remember the sheriff's
played by Peter Cushing. Peter Cushing has charismen. He looks
(23:15):
at her and goes, why would I keep my word
to a criminal? And and Marian looks completely disgusted. She's angry.
But obviously Robin gets away, and I think, I think
at this point I was sold on the movie. I
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was like, Okay, this is not a standard Robinhood movie,
even though it has a lot of standard kind of
The sheriff is betraying people. You know, he's meeting Marion.
Marion clearly is a little taken with Robin. Robin's a
little taken with Marion. But there's there's a different plot
happening here about this guy that the sheriff is claiming
(23:56):
is a murderer. The sheriff really wanted to get this guy.
Now he's willing to like openly betray his own word,
to go back on his own word to a woman
that we might think we Darlene and I think might
be somewhat related to the royal family. No. Might No,
(24:19):
we don't know, but might be. It's interesting. So back
at the camp, back at Robin's camp, the man wakes
up and he goes, oh, oh, I must get this
to uh what is it? Boriite is what he says,
borite or something like that. I must get this to
borote this this symbol or whatever whatever he was holding.
(24:43):
And then he dies, He actually dies, and all right, fine,
we go on. The sheriff comes out with a fairly
large search party.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay, it does say that generally understood the scarlet tones
such as and purple were important items in the wardrobe
of royalty.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay. In the medieval Mary and Marion wears purple a
couple of soon is the dog gone guards? What really
the two guards were wearing purple. So this is what
I was telling you about.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I didn't think that they did well with the the costumes.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Okay, but it makes sense with somebody with a last
name that has fits in it right kind of maybe? Okay,
but anyway, back to this, back to this, So the
sheriff comes out to the forest with a fairly large
search party, and this is actually a lot of extras.
They come out with a lot of crossbowmen, horsemen, pikemen.
There's even pikeman out there. And Robin decides, okay, look,
(25:43):
we got a break camp. These guys are going to
find us. They're heading in our general direction of our camp,
and the sheriff is giving really competent orders to his men,
like and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This spotter has already set somebody with a a with
a sound or something.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, that the man we're coming. Yeah, And so Robin says, okay,
we gotta go. Let's break camp.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They pick up Brad, they pick up Oh, there was
even the the metalworking.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
They had a forge. They started breaking down a forge
and broake down a forge. One guy was trying to
catch all the pigs and things like that. So it
was actually a sizable camp that was semi permanent with
that forge.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You're getting the idea from this is what gave me
the idea that the sheriff has been over taxing okay
people and they're now having to put them to put.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Their businesses out with the outlaws because that's the only
way they can make coin or not be it in
their home anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Because they owe taxes and can't afford to pay if
they're the farming had.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
A bad year, yes that anyway, anyway, it's that's interesting.
But one of the guys gets captured by the sheriff.
And this is a guy named Alan Alan Adale. This
is the spotter, okay, and the sheriff pins him to
a tree with you know, his guys, his guards holding
(27:17):
him to a tree, and says, Alan, I'll give you
a pardon. And and we actually learned that Alan might
be might be a titled he's at least a landed
person because you'll get to see your your women and
your your wife and child, and you can they can
have the property that I have seized back, because that's
(27:42):
part of the that's part of the thing. We learned
that there's a question to whether his wife and child
have access to their home anymore. So it's not like
they were serfs or like just regular peasants. It seems
like they actually were freemen at the very least. Now
we never hear Alan referred to with a title. But
(28:04):
there's property, there's actual property and money somehow involved here,
especially with what happens later with I'll point to the
character on on my notes especially with that. Okay, So
sheriff says, look, i'll give you the i'll give you
the i'll give you a pardon. If you just tell
me where the camp is, it'll make my life easier.
(28:25):
I'm gonna find him.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Made Marion is there.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, Made Marian's there, and the guy is getting slapped
around a bit, and finally he says, fine, i'll give
it to you. I know you're gonna find him. I
know you're gonna at some point find them because you
have enough men out here and you are heading in them.
He's like, he gives them directions and Marian's like, oh,
you've pardoned him, great, well let's go back. And then
(28:48):
the sheriff turns around and says kill him. I don't
keep my promises to criminals and yeah to outlaws. And
Marian is like at this point completely broken, Like she
she thought that the sheriff a dick after the move
with with Robin, right, but at this point she's like, dude,
this guy's evil.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
This is after the sheriff apologized and to her for
offending her honor.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah about breaking the party, breaking.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The parlay with Robin Hood, because that did effect onto
her honor.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yes, because now how are people going to trust her
word about you know, anything, because the sheriff broke the
peace under her promise of peace. Right, So Marian is
now furious in.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Honor in this time is a very big deal because
written word is not very something that is done very often.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So here's here's here's what happens. Here's what happens. This
guy is like stabbed or no, he shot. He's shot
with a crossbow again, and he's down on the and
by this point, like Robin and I think it's little
John are able to come out there, and Marian is
tending to Alan's wounds, trying to keep him alive. Yeah,
this is this is hours later. Yeah, and Robin comes
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back out and Alan is like in tears, saying, I'm
sorry I betrayed you. They gave me a promise that
my wife and child would be able to go home again,
and Robin's like, I forgive you. Don't worry. No one
was captured, we broke camp. Everyone got away, and Alan
just kind of smiles and dies and it's actually kind
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of sad. It actually is sad because it feels like
there was here's a guy that betrayed Robin a bit right,
he did, but he did it for his like family,
thinking that the sheriff had an ounce of honor or
respect in him, ounce of dignity. And he was betrayed
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by the sheriff as well. But here's the guy that
originally that he originally betrayed came back out. Don't worry, Alan,
nothing happened because of it. We already got everyone away,
and I forgive you because at that point, Alan's only
person that he felt that he really hurt was Robin's trust.
And when Robin forgives him, he smiles and dies like
kind of feeling like, Okay, I really didn't do anything wrong.
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But at the very least we can we can make
as viewers, we can see that hey, look, with what
the sheriff did to Alan, truly puts Marion in Robin's camp,
and having Marian and Robin's camp affects this guy.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Actually, because the next scene happens happens.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
To be her arguing with the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Chewing out the sheriff for this dishonor and trying to
get the guy's pardon.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Approved formally approved, because you promised him and then killed him.
The promise still holds she's angry, right, she's angry, she's
and the sheriff is like, I don't give a shit whatever,
I don't keep my word to criminals. He's a criminal
if you did in front of your men and me. Yeah.
So at this point, Robin goes to talk to Friar
(32:14):
Tuck and another man comes in because well, Friarchuck, he's
wanting Friar Tuck to go talk to some other people
about this amulet that might be from a specific area. Okay, cool,
So Robin's talking to Friar Tuck. Frierchuck is your stereotypical
Friar Tuck. He's always hungry, he's kind of gluttonous, he
drinks a lot. But Friar Tuck actually seems to be
(32:37):
an intelligent dude here, not that he isn't in other things,
but fine, whatever. But this nobleman, he's not bumbling.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He just has a He just has a donkey that
doesn't do anything but want to be in its shed.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So he tries to ride this donkey later on, but
has to basically drag the donkey everywhere and never gets
to ride it. Kind of sucks. So the guy that
shows up this no nobleman that shows up is the
Earl of Newark Edward. Okay, so he's there, he's being
a dick, and basically his assistant is Oliver Reed or
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his assassin, and i'll he like orders Friar Tuck to
bring to bring the Earl water, and Friar Tuck brings
him out water nicely, and then the assassin basically says,
that man there who's trying to hide from me, that
man there, I want water, And Robinhood doesn't take shit
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from anybody really, right, and this guy's kind of being
a dick. So he comes out with water and then
like just tosses it on the No, he didn't toss it.
He put it in his boot. Yeah, oh yeah, he
poured it into his You insolent ca.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I'll be an insolent cur when you're being an
insolent cur.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And uh, Basically what happens is is the Earl says, stop,
don't kill that man. Let's have a competition, okay, and
it's it's basically, hey, look look dude, if this guy
can kill your prize falcon, you have to forgive him
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for the slight and killing the falcon. But if he
misses killing the falcon at range. You can kill him.
You can kill him, and everyone here will agree you
can just kill him, because technically just dumping water into
the guy's boot wouldn't be a killing offence. You could
you could argue that a noble would say I could
beat him for that? Sure? Is that right? Of course?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Not?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Of course not. But no one would blink an eye
if a noble beat a commoner at this point for
disrespecting him like that, right, But here it's like, I'm
the earl, I'll let you kill him if he misses
this bird. So the guy's like, fine, whatever, and they
release the douchebag that god his boot wet, releases the falcon,
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and Robin, of course is a long bowman and takes
that poor bird out in one shot. And I'm like, oh, okay,
that's really sad, but like Robin's like, that's not really
that hard. What are you trying to do? And and
and the Earl says, looks over to his assassin dude
or whatever his assistant and says, you will forgive him?
And he says, yes, sir, he is forgiven. Okay, there's
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something going.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
On, and then offers Robin one hundred gold.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
One hundred, one hundred marks, one hundred marks for a
couple months work. And that's like a tremendous it was.
It was only a month, a month's work. He goes,
just come out with me. I want you to I
want to hire you for your bow skills.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's what a night gets paid about that time for
a year.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, it's an incredible amount of money. Well you do
you know that for a fact, that that's about what
a night would be paid. I've because again we know enough.
I don't know what a mark is in this.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I don't know what the mark is, okay, but if it.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Was sovereigns, yeah, I mean one.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Hundred sovereigns the way they pay a in thirteen hundreds
would pay a night.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So the way that everyone reacts, the only way I'm
able to judge us, is the way everyone reacts to
that mention of one hundred marks. I'll pay you one
hundred marks to come and work for me for like
a couple months or whatever. It seemed like that was
an insane amount of the reaction of everybody. So Robin's like, uh,
you know what, Okay, I guess I'm curious. I'll come
out sure whatever. So at this point, at this point,
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the sheriff tries to claim the dead man's estate and
he goes to like the court and basically Allen's estate,
Allen's estate, saying, look, he died, he's dead, and yes
he was a criminal, but that meant like the property
was kept in in trust of basically s scrow. Yeah,
so but now he's died and he was a criminal,
(36:57):
that means I'm I can conf skate it for the crown,
and you can. You can clearly see that, Like the
judge is completely browbeaten by the sheriff or like threatened
by him in some way shape or for power. Yeah
whatever the judge was. So anyway, there's like a couple
guys that try to speak up, like regular commoners that
are like trying to say, I speak up for Alan.
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You don't have the right to do this. Every time
you count the skate a castle or a manor home,
you tear it down and build a build a castle there.
He says, you build a wald castle there, and you
destroy the village of people that are living there, and
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all you do is this, And like a couple other
people are like, yeah, you can't build a castle without
the king's permission. Remember, you can have a manor home
that's unwalled, but once it's a waled manor home, that's
a castle. When you have defenses and all that, it's
a castle. And you can only do that with the
caing permission. But the king's in France. So why is
(38:03):
the sheriff. Why is the sheriff technically not a noble
at all, either he's appointed by the mayor or the
city council. Why is he building castles? Yeah, that's wow. Right,
So anyway, finally the judge is like, oh, okay, all
(38:23):
this crap is you know, all this all this is nonsense.
I'm going to award it to the sheriff. And suddenly
this guy comes in and says the hell you are.
I mean not literally saying the hell you are, But
this guy comes in and says, I have something to say,
and he goes.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
He walks up to the bow brower or whatever he is,
the judge and holds out his hand, which, if you
know any of this time, there's usually a ring, a
signet ring that has his.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Symbol on it. Symbol on it. Guy walks in, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he puts it. He puts it right in front of everybody,
and the judge is just like okay, and the dude says,
you're not giving it to the sheriff. You are going
to give it back to the family. You pardon the man,
And the Sheriff's like, how does this guy know this?
And Marian's kind of in the back grinning, like grinning
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with a shit, shit eating grin. And it turns out
that this guy is the Archbishop of Cannabury who was
also the King's chancellor, and he's like Lord Chancellor, the
Lord Chancellor of England, and like the Chancellor's just like
I have spoken f you all. I'm gonna go take it.
I'm gonna take it to London, this information to London
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and his widow and child get this. I'm taking this
information of London. I'm leaving goodbye. And the judge, like
the judge and the sheriff aren't shock and the judge
just kind of looks over the boy or whatever his
name is. He looks to the to the sheriff and says,
I can't do it anything, and the and the sheriff says,
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don't worry, I'll take care of it. Oh my god,
oh my god. And I know it seems like a
really simple scene, and it is a simple scene, but
like the drama amps up here, Like, holy crap, how
did Marian get the freaking Archbishop of Canterbury involved? She
didn't he come in. I know, he was just like because, uh,
(40:23):
he heard about all this stuff going He.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Heard about all that stuff going on. That's why the
guy was there. Yeah, they got shot.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, find out because he was trying to find the
Archbishop of Canterbury to warn him about what we're going
to learn in the next scene. Okay, but the fact
is that somehow Marian got involved and informed the Archbishop
of Canterbury all of this information about like the sheriff
breaking his word and actually giving a pardon. And it's like, okay,
(40:55):
no good will ever come of all of this. This
is just going to end in nonsense and jet it happens,
it will, it will bloodshed. But it gets wacky how
much like people are betraying other people. And while I
normally get sick and tired of that kind of crap
happening in movies, in this it's actually kind.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Of you're not You're not right now, You're not seeing
who's pulling the strings strings.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And we will okay, yeah, we'll get to that scene.
We'll get to that scene. So where are we. Robin
and the the the noble that he went with, the
Earl have this shooting contest where they're like shootingwork, yeah,
Earl of Newark at his castle. They're shooting like swinging bells,
or they're they're shooting like pumpkins through arrow slits and
(41:44):
things like that through a spinning wheel. And the Earl
is actually pretty good with the bow, let's be fair,
but he's not as good as Robin. Because the the
Earl is actually hitting these really difficult targets, just not
as much as Robin is. He's like, okay, I got you.
I want to I want to hire you to kill
a man and and Robin's like, what what it's who
(42:10):
am I supposed to kill? Well? Do you really need to?
Does that really matter? I'm paying you to do this.
And Robin's like, well, yeah, I guess it kind of does, sir.
So Robin's kind of playing along.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Right, He's been playing around because he knew that there
was something wrong with this earl.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But then the sheriff just shows
up the sheriff just shows up and Robin's like, but
he's done with that court thing. Yeah, yeah, he just
shows up and yeah, it's because he's done with the
court thing and he's come to talk to the earl.
But it just turns out that Robin is there, and
Robin's like, zoc, I'm out by and he just like
runs off after like shooting a couple of dudes.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well he this is something that wouldn't have been able
to be done. But because this was a probably a ruin, Yeah,
Robin is able to steal the Earl's horse, no, the
sheriff's horse, the sheriff horse, the sheriff's horse, and jumps over.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The wall and he's gone. And the sheriff is like,
what what are you doing collaborating with Robinhood? And the
Earl's like, wait a second, that was Robin hoodssed off.
The Earl is just like he's a good shot. Yeah,
he's a great shot. Why wouldn't I want to hire him?
And and the sheriff is just completely baffled by this,
(43:29):
like you, I can't believe it. He can't like talk
shit to the earl because the Earl clearly outranks him.
But the fact is is that like she does and
then does have every right to. So uh, Marian catches
up with the archbishop. She asked continues asking for justice,
(43:49):
and it turns out we learned that this ambulet once
everyone kind of links together, like Robin Marion and the Archbishop,
that this amulet is a symbol implying that the noble
from Newark, Earl of Newark, is going to kill the
archbishop because it's like a hawk holding the Archbishop's flower,
the symbol that he uses, and it's like a symbol
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between assassins that they're all in and on this plot
together and they should actually like help each other. Okay, fine,
So the Archbishop is like, okay, fine, I think I
still need to continue doing exactly this symbol.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Was hanging off of the douche earl bag Earl's assistant
that Robin pours water down the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
So now like once once Robin catches up, everyone knows that,
like the Earl and maybe the sheriff is involved, because
the sheriff just showed up at the Earls for some
reason and it's not And in the scene that we
saw with that where where Robin steals his horse it's
clear that that the sheriff didn't know Robin Hood was there,
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that he was coming to the Earl for a different reason.
What that reason is is now pretty clear once we
learn all this other because the.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Earl sends them out with his guards.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
To find the archbishop. You're gonna go find the archbishop,
and the Sheriff's like, oh shit. So Mary and the
Archbishop are attacked by bandits with crossbows. Again very clearly
the Sheriff's men, even though they're kind of dressed differently
this time, because all.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They they dressed like they were.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
The merry Men. Yes they're kind of in green, but
they've got crossbow bolts. So Marian's like, these are the
Sheriff's men. These aren't Robins guys, Robin's guys.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And she actually gets a sword, and because they see
the scene, uh, the bishop is fighting and throws a
sword in her direction and.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
She catches it and actually starts whacking the guy that's
trying to attack her. Now again this this generated a discussion.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, we just whether she was one the sheriff would
have never known that she was gonna be with.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
No, but I also think that the Sheriff's standing orders
were not to hurt Marion at all, because clearly he's
a little scared of Marian. In my opinion, he's a
little scared. It doesn't matter if he like betrayed or like.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He's not scared of her she, he's scared of the
person that is connected that she's connected to.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
And that's what leads into the whole. Is she somehow
related through an illegitimate child to the king, which is
very possible with the purple clothes, her fits in her
last name, her Fitzwalter last name, And it's like, okay, Well,
the sheriff would likely not want to kill a relative
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of the king, even if it was through an illegitimate child.
If that person was looked upon kindly by the current ruler, say,
it would probably put him in a very bad light. Sure,
I can go out and try to kill the damn archbishop,
but the archbishop isn't a family member of the king.
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So that's probably why. And that's why I said Marian
probably isn't a good sword user. It's just that the
dudes that are trying to take her down off the
horse probably have orders not to hurt her, so therefore
they can't defend themselves very well from Marian wailing on
them with a sword in a kind of unskilled way.
Plus she's on horseback and they're on foot, so she's
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obviously attacking their heads with a sword. Anyway, they try
to drag her down, and she like kills a guy. Anyway,
where are we? Let's hear Robin arrives and snipes out
some of the crossbowmen. The Archbishop and Marion take refuge
in a nearby nunnery. Okay, so they take they take
(47:52):
refuge in this numbery and the sheriff shows up at
the battle site. And now it's it's blindingly clear that
the sheriff is involved in this assassination plot, because he's like,
I don't care if they're in a nunnery or not.
You're going to attack the nunnery and kill the archbishop.
He's telling his other dudes, and they're like, okay, sure whatever.
(48:14):
So Robin is able to like sneak into the nunnery
and he warns the archbishop right before Earl of Newark
comes in and tries to kill them all. But there's
this interesting scene that when the Archbishop and Marion kind
of walk off inside the nunnery. We get the sinister
(48:35):
like grin from the reverend mother that's there, like the nun,
and you're like, okay, wait, wow, this nun isn't bad.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
When I looked at her, I was like, she's probably
related to the.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Earl, probably because again women that were not in direct.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
They bought the positions of prioris. Maybe she married and
then the person died, yeah, and she was granted the
freedom of being a privress.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Instead of So Robin comes in and kind of like
he's wearing a cloak. He sits down next to the
archbishop at like evening prayers and goes, dude, dude, you're
gonna get killed. They're gonna come in here and kill you.
I'm here to warn you about that. And the archbishos
is like, yeah, dude, I know. I mean they're not
saying that exactly obviously, but you know, as a beautiful
song is being sung, yeah, like in prayer, in prayer,
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and then like earl, the Earl comes in and then
we have we actually have like a battle scene and
it it is low energy. If I have one criticism
about it, it feels low energy, but it seems like it
actually is a decent fight scene for the time in
that it's well choreographed. You know exactly who is fighting,
(49:50):
who it where, you know where in the in this
room they are in relation to each other, et cetera,
et cetera. But it feels kind of slow motion in
a way. Does that make sense if I had one
criticism about it? But at this point, like the Earl
of Newark kills the sheriff, Like because the sheriff starts
telling him, you can't kill the archbishop in a nunnery,
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and you can't kill Marion, that's not cool. Like if
it was a random assassination out in the forest where
no one knew what was going on, that's a different thing.
But in here there's too many eyes. You were gonna
have to kill all the nuns.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
It's also doing it on sacred ground.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
And on sacred ground, so like there is an ounce
of like morality in the sheriff. I'm not saying that
as a defense of the sheriff, because the sheriff is
clearly a piece of shit, but he actually holds back
a little bit and Earl of Newark is like, okay,
you're useless to me, and just executes.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Him, stabs him three times the first one was with
his assistant in the back, and then the Earl stabs
him two more times with that same dagger.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
So it turns out like the archbishop is actually a
good sword fighter. Yes, okay, fair enough, fine, he's also
like again the chancellor. So you would.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Why would he not be with a big entrear entourage.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Well you have to think that at the very least
some of his entourage, even though we don't see it,
would have been killed in a couple banded attacks.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well it got some of them got killed in that
that ray that Marion was fighting in too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because he had about five right there.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Then Robin ends up killing the Earl of Newark. The
Archbishop's life is saved, and he has taken to Sherwood
Forest and the new encampment for that night. The next day,
the Archbishop ensures says he's going to ensure that the
pardon from earlier is signed and Alan Adale's family will
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be given back their property.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And wealth, and then Marion's says something about getting Robin hood.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
And Robin hood, and the Archbishop is like, I don't
have that power, like, okay to me. That suggests that
Robin actually has done something awful. Does that make sense,
Like if the archbishop is here like trying, well, it
also might say that like the archbishop can't actually pardon
him because the only person that could pardon him is
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whoever is Sheriff of Nottingham at this point, that that
could be it like he could have like a really
petty crime, but like at this point, if the sheriff
doesn't pardon him, he can't enforce it, if that makes sense.
So it's it's one of those two. It's one of
those he can't really do a pardon or Robin's Robin's
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crimes are actually too great. But yeah, Marian's like, no,
you have to get Robin pardoned, and he's like, no,
I can't do that. But Friar Tuck, you might want
to marry them if she keeps coming out here and
defending him and he kind of rides off and marrying
and and and and Robin kind of look at each
other and yeah, okay, yeah, they clearly have feelings they
they embrace and the end. Okay, So it's not science fiction,
(53:05):
it's not horror, it's fantasy. So I'll say it's sci
fi horror adjacent because it is fantasy. It's just very
low you know, like hard fantasy. There's not a lot
of there's no magic, but it's a sword in it's legend. Yeah,
it's legend. So I'm okay with covering it for Earth
versus Soup. What worked in this movie, Darling, I'll let
(53:28):
you go first.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I think the the difference in the Robin Hood story worked,
but the writers in dialogue.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Or that kind of fell apart a little bit fell apart.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
The sword fighting in the archery damn.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Wow. Yeah, even though it was low energy in the last.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
The whole there was it was too long for.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
The art archery thing.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, but at hindsight, make at the end of the
story makes you understand what the guy was trying to do.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah, it makes sense. So I guess my thing will be.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
The acting was top notch, and I don't believe it
or not. It's not because of what you immediately think
that I'm gonna praise Peter Cushing. I think Peter Cushing,
while he is he is second build in this movie,
is such a minor part.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
He was like fourth because it was it was Robin Hood,
Ma Marion, Marion. Then it was between Little John.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
Maybe the Earl had more screen time total than the sheriff. Now,
when the shriff was on screen, it was pretty it
was a lot Sheriff has more maybe fourth maybe fourth.
But and while while Peter Cushing was good, I think
actually everyone did a really good job in this movie,
even with kind of dialogue that that falls apart a bit,
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I think it was pretty good. I'll even go so
far as to say I really like the costuming. The
costuming bothered me though, See you you had complaints about
the costuming because of the purple. I also had some
of it didn't look right because of modern fabric.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Modern fabric was one. The other one was one of
the two guards that were in the purple that was
purple felt and it looked like cost craft felt.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Okay, fine. I thought the on location stuff was really
well shot. There's only a couple times where you're like,
that's a set with trees on it, and it's usually
when they're just in camp at night or whatever they're
saying when their camp. And that was a really good
Uh it's still it's still set. Yeah, a set. It
was really yeah. But the outdoor location stuff I really liked.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I made I made you pause the thing because
I was like, what is moving on in the background?
Speaker 3 (56:10):
It was little piglets and there were real little piglets. Yeah,
it was cute. The piecing of the movie is fine.
I can't say it falls into it works keetter, But
is there anything that really doesn't work in this film?
Like the last sword fighting scene to me, I felt
didn't work. If there's one thing in the movie that
(56:33):
I can say firmly in the church, yeah, in the nunnery.
It's in the chapel, yea explain, but it's it feels
like it is overly choreographed and so everybody is kind
of moving slow, like it wasn't rehearsed enough.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
It probably had to be because then it was rehearsed
probably without the nuns.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
And the uns are screaming and stuff like that. Maybe
maybe maybe do you have any other things that are
like firmly fall into the it does not work category.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
I don't have much that didn't fall in in it
didn't work.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
The humor of the fire tucks uh.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Donkey, that was impressive too.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
The donkey was trained to.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
To just do nothing. Yeah yeah, igree as possible yeah
yeah yeah. Wow. So like after we so okay, insummation.
I think after we finished watching this movie. Immediately after
finishing watching this movie, I was like, Eh, you know,
it's okay, But I don't know if I would recommend
(57:40):
it or not. Here's the thing. After thinking about it
and having like talking about some of the historical bits
that made us talk to each other and and and
look information up. I know that's not a standard thing
that people should rate a movie on. I have to
give the movie credit for making us have discussions and
talk about ideas of how to fit these ideas into
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a historical context I have. For me, I have to
include that because to me, that makes the movie better.
So if I was giving it a one out of
ten yesterday, I would have probably given it a five.
When we finished watching this today, after having all these
discussions and smiling as we remembered scenes, I think I
(58:24):
have to give this a six.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That's where I was gonna sit six. I don't know
for our crowd, I would recommend it. But if you
wanted something a little bit off the beaten path that.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
You're it's still Hammer.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, it's still Hammer, and it's still.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
It still has a lot of still very watchable. It
is very approachable even by kids. And the reason why
we had this was we had a guest in our
house at the time that was young, a younger person,
and we did not want to watch some of the
other movies that we have watched.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Well, there was some of the movies that we scratched
off too.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah, and I thought, Okay, you know what, what's going
to be easily easily approachable by anyone. It's probably a
Robin Hood movie. And you know what, at its core,
Earth versus Soup has always been about like hey, especially
like the first fifty reviews that we did, these are
all movies that like a little kid could watch and
an adult could watch and still both enjoy it. And
(59:29):
to me, this does fit into that idea. Okay, so
I would give it a six out of ten and
lightly recommend it. But what's so you said six out
of ten and also recommend a light recommendation. But maybe
not for everyone that's into sci fi and horror more
than this kind of thing, like an adventure film. So
(59:51):
any any final thoughts, Darlene, Not nothing right now? Okay,
So I'm Aaron, I'm Darlene. Good evening. You keep watching
the Skies. Nope, point in your rambling, incoherent response, were
you even close to anything that could be considered a
rational thought?
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