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It's gonna pop my lid off mydrink. Hey, guys, what's going
on? You are listening to FutureImperfect only on this weekend geek dot net.
And we're doing something special today.Say, we're celebrating an anniversary.
But I'm not alone. I amjoined by Well, I'm probably not gonna

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call myself the doctor in this one. I'm definitely a companion. Let's be
honest. I'm probably the tin dogin all this. I'm joined by my
co host, my brother from thelovely city of Kitchener Alex the producer here
and from the far away land ofLansing, Michigan. Co host, good
friend friend. Oh well, I'mAaron po and Darlene. Yeah, Darling

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and Darlene. So yes, guys, we are gonna be talking about Doctor
Who tonight on Future Imperfect. Nowthis we're not gonna be talking about the
traditional Doctor Who series that started duringthe nineteen sixties nineteen sixty three, if
I'm not mistaken, because today,as of this recording, is the anniversary
of Doctor Who. And but we'renot gonna be talking about the television series.

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And you're gonna be thinking, well, what the hell are you gonna
be talking about. Well, itturns out, once upon a time there
were feature films that were made aboutthese characters, and the guy who played
the doctor was Grandma f Tarkian akaPeter Cushing, who I recently just saw
in some of the Hammer horror moviesthat me and James Rolf talked about with

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Enrique Kuto back on our Halloween speciala couple of weeks back, and Aaron
and Alex had pitched this to me, and I'm really glad I got down
to watch these. So I'm justgonna start with my history with these movies
because it comes from a very surprisingplace with me. So it turns out

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I knew about these movies in thenineteen nineties in a very very strange way.
A friend of mine stoplifted a magazinefrom a news stand in the nineteen
nineties and it was about British televisionshows and movies. And I remember there

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was a huge article in this inthis magazine about thunderbirds, which I guess
which is why he stole it.But further back in that magazine and there
what an odd thing to nick froma store. Yeah, well, like
we got to get kids of thenineties, let's steal British television show magazines.
As I say, Alex, youand I both know this person,

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and you're gonna be saying this doesn'tsurprise me when you probably already know who
this person is. And it's sostrange because it turns out there was a
I think a documentary or something calleddolek Mania, and there was a huge
section of this magazine dedicated towards it. And I'd never heard of a doll

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before. I'd never seen this typeof a robotic design for a bad guy,
because for me, most robots wereterminators, or they were like Johnny
five, or they were droids fromStar Wars. Right, I'd never seen
a dollic before. I'd never evenheard the word before. So reading this

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magazine there were all these stills fromthe two Doctor Who movies, which was
Doctor Who and the Dogs, thenDoctor Who Invasion of Earth twenty one point
fifty, and I was like,Okay, this is incredibly weird and strange,
but I kind of want to knowmore about this. And then Doctor
Who fade faded from my consciousness toprobably about I want to say, two

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thousand and eight, two thousand andnine, when I first got into Doctor
Who when the revival series had alreadybeen going for several years, and I
first got into the Christopher Eckelson,the ninth Doctor Who's honestly my favorite doctor,
and I just kind of forgot aboutthese movies until you and Alex pitched

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the show to me. So thatis my very bizarre introduction to Doctor Who.
It started from a random act ofthievery okay, so that's what he
said, Alex, do you wantto go next? Because I think Doctor
Carlene and I have more of ahistory with Doctor Oh yeah, sure,

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absolutely, my being I'm the babyof the bunch. So growing up,
Doctor Who went off the air whenI was like three the initial run,
right, So my only experience growingup seeing it was there were reruns that
ran, like unlike in the States, I think, wasn't a PBS that

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showed Doctor Who or something back inthe day. Yeah, you guys,
Yeah, for us, it airedon two different channels and you didn't need
like cable or anything. The CBCor National broadcaster aired it in its first
run and occasionally they would have somereruns. But it aired for like twenty
years in reruns on TVO, whichis TV Ontario. It's like PBS,

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but provincially run, so everybody canpick it up. It doesn't matter.
You could be out in the booniesand if you have bunny ears, you
can pick it up. So itwas always sort of on. So as
a kid, I'd see it andI was like, okay, just have
it on the background, flipping aroundwhenever between kids channel stuff. And so
I in going back and watching someof the other Doctor Whose stuff, especially

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the recent what was it the Talesof the Tartists that we watched, seeing
that, I was like, Iwatched all six of those episodes where they
took classic doctor stories from you know, all Throat and updated them with bookends
with the either the doctors that arestill alive or with the companions that are
still alive. I went, waita minute. I was having like fever

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dreams, like I've seen this before, parts of it before. I'm like,
oh, yeah, from when Iwas really little, and it was
just sort of on. And asfar as these movies go, you know,
the only Doctor Who movie I knewof until probably and yeah ten fifteen
years ago was the Fox TV movieYeah, Yeah, Yeah, with Paul
McGann. Yeah, with Paul McGannand uh uh, what's his name there?

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Uh uh, yes, mister McCoywas the doctor right when when Regenerated
But yeah, yeah, and EricRoberts played the Master in that one.
Yeah, and I remember seeing likethat was my That's mostly what I remembered
of Doctor Who until uh, becauseI was like can or something when that
came on, And of course onFox, it was like Fox was the

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destination station at the time for scifi, right you watched X Files and
Sliders, Sliders and uh like Adventuresof Briscoe County Junior, that sort of
stuff. So we were just youused to seeing that on Fox. We're
like, oh, this is acool movie, not really knowing that it
was attached to anything necessarily. Andthen when I was working retail, right

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when I believe between series or seasontwo or three of the Revival series,
everybody at work was talking about itbecause it became a pretty big hit here
because it was airing I think onthe CBC for the first two or three
seasons, and then it went tospace up here at one of our our
version of the Sci Fi Channel,and it became like the hip new thing,

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and like the DVDs were flying offthe shelf. At work, where
like we're talking, every shift Iwas working, there was somebody buying a
copy of Doctor Who's Seasons one ortwo. So I went, okay,
I'll pick it up. I'll usemy staff discount and watch. And I
watched the Christopher eccleston stuff and Iwas like, wait a minute, this

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is fine, but I felt kindof it still felt very British to me,
and I wasn't a fan of anythingthat wasn't like super high quality at
the time as far as perceptually,you know, special effects. Now I'm
much more open to everything, right, But at the time I was like
what And I'm like, well,what's this? And then my friend said,
no, no, no, yougot to watch the second season with
the other doctor. And I waslike what other doctor. That set me

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down the rabbit hole of oh,this is how this all works with regeneration
everything, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I remember vaguely looking up on
the online that wait a minute,there were movies back in the sixties and
I just never got around to watchingthem. I'd heard about them, and
I don't believe there was, likeat the time, a home video release
in North America. There might havebeen bootleg VHS tapes in that, but
I don't remember ever seeing them puton video, and they probably aired at

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some point on television. I wouldimagine Michael, like probably TVO's Saturday Night
at the Movies or something would haveshown it, right, Yeah, Like
this definitely seems like an Ellie Yostsort of thing. And I would actually
would wonder if Rick Green who usedto do Prisoners of Gravity, which was
another groundbreaking TVO show at the time, which is like up here in Canada,

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we used to have a thing calledthe Space Channel. We still kind
of do, but now it's calledthe CTV Sci Fi and they used to
have a show called Inner Space,but there was a show that precursor that
called Prisoners of Gravity, which usedto feature interviews with a lot of doctor
who people, you'd see authors likeNeil kind of gaming. And it really

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wouldn't surprise me if there was acrossover somewhere with TVO personalities covering these two
movies. I mean, how couldyou not, honestly, Yeah, it's
the kind of stuff that they usedto produce a lot of that kind of
local programming where I think, likedinner in a movie in that where they
sometimes it's splice in programs between movieshowing, so it might be something like

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that. So I'm assuming so,but it you know, it hit I
think it hit Blu ray and streamingonly in the last ten years or so.
So I actually had to run intomy collection and I pulled out a
box set. Arlene and I havea box set that's on DVD of these
movies and the dollc Mania documentary thatwas made in two thousand and one.
Okay, so so it was definitelyit was either a small print run or

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it was not common, I know, to see it. But then now
it's widely available in both of thesefilms, and I went, you know
what, let's let's check it out, like why not the anniversary is coming
up or as of this, youknow, release of this episode, it'll
be happening of the sixtieth anniversary.And I went, these are ones we've
never seen. It's not like wehave to watch a ton of stuff to

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uh, you know, to youknow, keep up or or analyze it.
And I went, you know what, it's the sixties one. It's
in technic color. You know,this is way before we had color episodes
of the show. I'd assume itwould be bigger budget. This should be
fun. So that's that was sortof why I sent it over and said,
hey, guys, let's watch this. Mm hmm yeah, and I'm
really glad you did. Actually,so, Darlene and I have actually covered

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these two movies on Earth Versus Soup, and I pitched I pitched a bit
this. I pitched these two moviesto you guys because I thought that they
were really interesting in a nineteen sixtiesI'm sorry for my computer beeping, and
it's all part of the the it'sall part of the artists making sound effects

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in the background. It's all good, just freaking out. It's they're weird
movies in this nineteen sixties way,but they're different enough from the TV show
of Doctor Who that they're their ownthing. They're still Doctor Who, Yeah,
but it's uh doctor who. Hislast name is who? Yeah where

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in the show. In the show, he's only the doctor, the doctor,
and he doesn't have a last nametitle. Yeah. It's like the
Master, the Ronnie, it's themedal orre Prince. It's more of like
Timelords tend to take titles rather thannames, yeah, concepts because their names

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are too complex. At least that'sfrom from the show. Okay, but
in the movie, in these movies, the Peter Cushing movies, he's Doctor
Who. But yeah, we wecovered these in Earth Versus Soup and it's
because well, they're from the nineteensixties there science fiction, and Darlene and
I both absolutely adore Doctor Who theTV show, the old one and the

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new one and the new stuff too, but we were both giant fans of
the old old series. We kindof like, on our early dates before
we got married, we just starteddating, we started watching old episodes of
Doctor Who together because it turned outthat we both loved it, and that
was a weird thing for two peopleto like, you know, I don't

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know. Yeah, they have Ianand Barbara and Susan in this that's the
those are the original original companions tothe first Doctor Yeah, played by William
Hartnell. Susan is his granddaughter,and she is in this movie as well
his granddaughter, and at least inthe TV show, she's a little bit

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older. She's actually in her teens, and she's clearly not from Earth and
not from this time period because sheoften talks about things that are anachronistic,
sill She's confused about money in theTV show because at the time they started
filming, they were not on thedecimal currency system. They were still using

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the weird like shillings and all that, and she was confused because she thought
that Britain had gone to decimal already. And it was really funny gags like
that. But in the movie here, the interplay between Peter Cushing and Robert
Roberta Tove, who plays Susan,is a joy. And it turns out

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that two those two actors loved eachother on set and they played off each
other. And it's a little weirdwhen you watch a lot of Peter Cushing
movies because Peter Cushing tends to playthe serious dude in these horror movies,
sometimes an intense villain like Grandmoth Targan. But again, if you know enough

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about Peter Cushing, he's this reallyloving man who is very protective of the
people around him, and he trulycared about this little this this young actress
Roberta Tove, to the extent thathe refused to do dalk Invasion of Earth
twenty one fifty unless she came back. Oh wow, interesting, that's intense.

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That's good, and you're right,because usually when you see him,
he's never happy and he ro allthese in right, He's always so stoic
or serious or intense, And seeinghim here I had to almost do a
double take. I'm like, isn'tthis really him? Like you know,
I know he's got the makeup onand it's him clearly, but I was
like, I could he was playinglike like one of the Grandpa characters on

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like Willy Wonka on the Chalk Factory. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird,
seem so wholesome. Yeah it's theit's the mustache, but yeah,
it's also the mustache. Uh yeah, but yeah, he's he's wholesome because
he's the doctor, well, DoctorWho in this and at at the point
of the first movie. The firstmovie was made in nineteen sixty five,

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so Doctor Who the television show hadalready been around for at least a couple
seasons, right, and by thatpoint the BBC understood that the Doctor was
beloved by children. It was avery very well regarded children show already at
this point, and Peter Cushing tookthat to heart, just like William Partnell

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did, who was the actor whoplayed on television and really tried to engage
children and made sure that they alwaysfelt safe watching the show, even if
it was scary. And Peter Cushingplays that off really well, and it's
it's why a lot of kids grewup watching these frankly pretty terrifying TV shows

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for the time for the time andfeeling safe because they saw the blue box
of the Tartists and they knew thatthe doctor would be there to help.
And Peter Cushing and William Hartnell bothreally pulled that off, and it helped
one back then. It was hewas it's a grandpa like, even if
it wasn't playing a grandpa in thisin the show itself, he's a grandfatherly

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character, so you're unless he's gonnabe really evil sinister, generally, kids
are gonna think that they're safe aroundof grandpa. Anyway, Yeah, there
were, I mean, yeah,go ahead, there was something that I
kind of had this thought while Iwas watching it, like to think back
to a lot of the popular cultureat the time. You think back to

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uh North North American culture, Likespecifically, you had a lot of silver
aided superheroes. You had your Batman, your Superman, your Avengers, your
app in Americas or stuff like thatDoctor Who to me felt like a more
relatable heroic icon that a kid couldreally get into, because, as you

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guys are saying that it was sobeloved by children, you both touched on
the fact that it was that grandfatherlypaternal role you can relate to, that
you can relate more to the Doctorthan fringing Batman or Superman, And I
think that's very interesting, just thefact that I think a lot of kids,

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or at least in my opinion,have I don't know, I would
say a better understanding of the popculture that was surrounding them at the time.
Like, I don't know, Ijust think British kids had an edge
over North American audiences because, likeyou were saying, Aaron, these stories
were in some cases really scary andterrifying, but it was also hard sciph

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at times dealing with some pretty weirdkind of concepts, whereas Batman fights the
Joker with crazy purple knockout gas,and it's just, I don't know,
there's just something I find I don'tknow. On one level, I'm kind
of jealous that kids got something alittle smarter than what we were used to
over here. I guess I'd callit junkie pop culture over here, whereas

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over there it just seemed like itwas a little bit more refined. Maybe
I'm romanticizing a touch, but that'sus how it comes across to me.
Well, it predates Star Trek bya couple of years, right, So
yeah, yeah, well yeah,by by a few years this this movie
would have been coming. Uh.The first movie came out at about the
time Roddenberry was putting together the firstbits of Star Trek, like like writing

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the cage and the like Jeffery's doingthe actual design of Enterprise and things like
that. But those are two verydifferent. You know, Star Trek stands
out. Doctor Who stands out,and it's because there was a lot of
thought put into it. That's notto say the Doctor Who and and specifically
even these two movies don't have goofythings in them, because they do.

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But let's be fair. When you'retalking about Doctor Who. In the Daleks,
you're talking about fascist robots that areall about ethnic cleansing, that have
destroyed their world via nuclear weapons andchemical weapons to kill off their well,
to kill everything off that isn't likethem. But the ones that are left

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are the blonde, blue haired dolls. So it's that twist on the whole
fascist aryan ye rap, but likethe Daleks are these little blobs of mutated
kalaed that are just sitting inside theyare the perfect race and you're like,
ew, so I mean, butall that kind of like fight against fascism

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and the dangers of fascism was muchmore present in the UK compared to the
US, exactly were Yeah, yeah, I was just going to say the
big difference here, especially for children, if you're the target audience for this
movie in nineteen sixty five is likelyten year olds, you know, somewhere

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between ten and fifteen is is whereI could see this being the target.
And you look at that these arekids that have now grown up in the
post war. But it's still soit's only been twenty years since the war
ended. So the series when itstarted, you know, the war hadn't
ended. You know, it wasonly eighteen years or so after the war
ended. It's still in pey Freshand they also, you know, they're

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dealing with very low budgets on theirtelevision show, decent enough budget for a
British movie at the time. Forthe Yeah, this kind of great budget.
Yeah, you know, one hundredand eighty thousand, you know,
just that for inflation, YadA,YadA. But if you look at other
movies of the time period, alot of British TV shows were being filmed
for five thousand or ten thousand Britishpounds in an episode, which you convert,

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you know, to US dollars.It was like twenty grand an episode
for a TV show there in blackand white, whereas it was easily even
back then, you know, tenfifteen times that cost for an American show.
So they were dealing with low budgets. They were dealing with a world
that they knew around them, thathad been ravaged for let's it's be real.
They had barely start, you know, rebuilt after World War One,

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before World War Two happened, andthen it's just like it had been almost
you know at that point, fiftyyears of just hell in Europe. So
it kind of lent themselves to makingdarker stories than we would be used to
overhear, right, you know ourstories are our sci fi stories and fantasy
stories were of you know, heroismand yeah, and and you know,

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everything's happy, go lucky, youknow, Buck Rogers and all this sort
of stuff, and then over thereit's just like, well, I can
look outside and I can see therubble of where the tanks were, or
the constant reminder of what happened,you know, to people in World War
Two, And like you said,they put a twist on that with this
movie. And you know, it'spretty clear to you know, to us,

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and it would have been clear enoughto any adults watching back then what
it was. But it was aninteresting way to show it to the kids.
And I loved the fact that it'stechnicolor. It's it's there's that certain
look of sixties color movies. It'svery vivid, right, very very saturated,
you know, very you know,dark paintings of the Matte paintings,

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and everything looked great. Just somethingabout the way the sets were cheap but
they maximized what they could do withthem that it is always interesting to me.
And I made a comment to Mike. I'm not sure if I did
it in the group chat, butI said, to me, this feels
like like the American Batman TV show. Yeah, and it's just without the
without the boof pow all that sortof, but it's the same like set

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and aesthetics, not the Dutch angleshots like where everything's correct turned to the
side. But it's just the costumes. I was like, how I pitched
it to Mike when I was like, hey, before you watch, here's
what you should know about. It'svery different than the show of what you
know, just in terms of lotsof things. But I said, it's
what if you mashed Doctor Who withsixties Batman and then took h took the

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hippie aliens from that episode of StarTrek, the one where they play the
loot or whatever, and the Yeah, I forget those are the Kaila No,
I mean those are the thalls Yeahin this Yeah? Yeah. I
was like, and you mix themand and you just mash them up together
and you get the Doctor Who movie, the first one. Yeah. Like,
honestly, I found both of thesemovies to be such a joy to
watch. And another thing too,because normally when you get a kid sidekick

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in a movie, they're either overlyenthusiastic or annoying. I didn't find Susan
to be annoying. I found herto be remarkably competent and and it just
seems to me like when you makea movie during the nineteen sixties or seventies,
your sidekicks are very over the topannoying children. Here, it wasn't

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that. And to go along withAlex's thing where it feels like the nineteen
sixties Batman sort of thing, thishad such a fun and chill vibe to
it that I found this to besuch an easy watch. And I'm only
starting now to watch movies from thefifties and sixties and seventies, and I'm
noticing it is such a very differentway to watch a movie as compared to

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the modern stuff. Like most ofmy movie watching honestly comes from the eighties
and nineties, which is a faulton my behalf. But I'm learning to
appreciate different eras of film now,and honestly, I think you could handle
more sixties sci fi if it feltlike this. I had such a good

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time watching this one now, admiddly. I liked the second one hell
of a lot more, but probablynot for a reason that you may not
necessarily expect from me. This oneone of the things I loved how the
doalk design has stayed fairly consistent fromthe beginning. But I think I read
a couple of articles before we cameinto this show, just how when the

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Daleks got designed for the big screen, they got a little bit of a
change to them. And I waswatching the Children in Need special which aired
earlier this week, I think,and they were talking how the Daleks got
their manipulator claw, but when thedoctor crashed the tarred as he knocked it

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off and they got a plunger inDavros is like, I like this better.
But in the original first movie herethey have the manipulator claw, and
I was just I like how theytied all that together. Despite everything,
the dollic design has always pretty consistent, and even when they do change it

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because in the later in the MattSmith run, which you didn't see Alex,
they do have the different colors ofthe dogs which represent different ranks,
like the Scientist doll, like theSupreme Dog, the command dollc the Commando
one, and they kept colors here, and I was like, that's I
did not expect that from the nineteensixties one. I thought that was a

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fairly new concept during the Matt Smithrun. So this blew my mind.
Seeing that I will want to makea point out that you might want to
look at is British children's acting Ialways feel is not the cutesie they're actually

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people in the those the older movies. Yeah, a lot of the movies
that we've watched for Earth Versus Soupthat are British horror sci fi from Sarah,
the child actors are remarkably good andRobert ROBERTA Tovey who plays Susan,
like I said, Peter Cushing wastaken by her because she was actually a

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very good actress for her age,a very good actress, and she didn't
really do a whole bunch after this. But as I said, Peter Cushing
refused to do the second movie.I think that's the difference between British and
American child actors. Probably stems fromShirley Temple. I don't know the just

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being cutesy as kids here in theUS versus or or the Cardinals o really
sweet. Well, No, thecaardicleson for me is when they take in
American and Canadian productions is when theytake a child actor and then give them
adult lines. The perpetual kid geniuswho knows everything more than everybody else.

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That usually grinds Bike Hares. Andinterestingly enough, the British stuff. They'll
do something similar, but it's neverquite as over the top. I find
that West like our productions tend tohave the children almost doing like like Disney
Channel pantomiming way over the top,overacting on everything. Yeah, and in

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the British Cup it's more subtle.Susan in this is, you know,
smarter than a lot of people.But it makes sense why she is,
but she doesn't rub it into otherpeople. She's very clever. She's just
very clever. I like, like, I think it's the beginning of the
second movie where she's reading like atextbook on like quantum physics or something like

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that, and then Barbara's reading somesort of like basic signs of signs or
something. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I mean, I guess
I guess the plot point wise,Uh, we don't need to go too
deep into it because it is it'sit's fairly simple, right. It's we're
introduced to the doctor h and it'sit's quite apparent from the beginning that this

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is different than the doctor on theshow. He's not an alien, he's
he's just like a Albert Einstein,mad scientist, but for the good of
science, who who has a ascientifically minded family, and you know,
we get a companion in this thatis not science minded in this first one

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is the one with the boyfriend.Correct, Yeah, well yeah, yeah,
Ian and Barbara. And in theTV show, Ian and Barbara are
both teachers at the school that Susan'sgoing to. Okay, So that's that's
That's what I was wondering, isI'm assuming you both know the differences between
the original h it was a seasonone plot or season two plot of the

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multo. Ian and Barbara are companionsthrough the first two seasons with Sue Susan.
Susan's around for a little Actually Ithink they're Ian Barbera for three seasons.
Susan's like through two because she leavesat the end of dalk Invasion of
Earth twenty one to fifty in theTV show, So Susan and this is

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this leads into new doctor who whathappened to Susan during the time War because
she was left on Earth in twentyone to fifty, Like, no,
Susan might still be around. Well, yeah, the actress that plays are
seventies. She could still come backand do something. Yeah, it's possible

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at least, Yeah, we knowall the difference in this movie. Yeah,
I was gonna say, so,is it majorly different than what happened
in the show? Yes, alot of very much different. Once they
get to Scarrow, it isn't sodifferent. That's fairly similar, but the
characters are different. Ian and Barbaraand Susan are all very different in this

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but the basic plot is fairly similar. It's just that it leads into It
leads into the plot via the firstepisode of Doctor Who, because the first
movie here is based on the secondstory of Doctor Who. The first story's
Unearthly Child, which they go backto like one million BC or something like

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that, and that's where Ian andBarbara learn about the Doctor and Susan and
time travel and all that. Thenin story two they go forward to Scarrow
and they see the devastation on ScarroSo. Ian and Barbara are both humans
that are just kind of like fishout of water, especially on this alien
planet. But they're intelligent. Darling. Do you want to if you want

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to know more about the Dialects,I would actually watch a Tom Baker episode
of The Oh Genesis of the ofthe Dialects. Okay, it's from the
nineteen seventies. And it actually tellsthe story of it's the story that actually
introduces Davross and it shows like whythe Daleks were made. So it actually

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takes place before the events of DoctorWho in the Daleks, but also on
Scarbe. It's just that Scarro isn'tas screwed up as it is here.
Okay, the war's still going on. Basically the Timey winmy stuff that happened
to this. The basic plot pointsare, you meet the companion. They

(32:29):
they check out the tartis. Lookhow wacky it is. It's bigger on
the inside. Accidental happenstance. Theythey end up traveling, you know,
not just through time, but theytravel through space and land on a planet
that appears to have some life,and they encounter both the Daleks and what

(32:51):
were the names of the falls theFalls the Thalls. Thalls decide that they're
going to try to help them becausethere's radiation on the planet Dunt dut dut
radiation story. We know where thisis going is there's some sort of horrible
war that happened or is still happening, and it becomes like an episode of
Star Trek where it's pitting you know, one side of Pacifists against the side

(33:15):
of of total control. Uh bascistcrazy pseudo Nazis right, only this time
they're they're inside of robotic trash cansmhm art deco trash cans who uh fire

(33:36):
fire extinguishers at you and it justkills you. Oh man. And you
see the thing is those special effectsof the fire extinguishers. You think that
looks lame? That's really cool?Yeah, no, no, If if
you've ever used the fire extigbuisher,hopefully you haven't had to, but if
you ever have, you know thatthat stuff sprays out, you know edits
edit. It smells and covers everything. So I'm thinking how many actors have

(34:00):
to cough their brains out after beingin this? Now? Now, I
actually did a little bit of researchon this because I love props and I
love special effects. Now, originallythe dogs were supposed to be those co
two compressed air things that you seethem shoot. That was supposed to be

(34:20):
a flame thrower that was determined tobe too scary for kids, and I
thought, Okay, that's awesome.To my actually head a flamethrowing using dollc
in the second movie though, ohyeah, I remember this. This first
movie somewhere around one hundred and eightythousand British pounds to produce. I don't
know if they had the insurance moneythat covers setting their cast through on fire

(34:46):
even but yeah, but yeah,actors being in the dialect canister, you
have to sympathize with them because theywere crouched in there. Oh god,
there's a local guy. Uh yeah, I knew you were gonna bring this
up with the Kidsturt Waterloo Dollar guy. Okay. I was friends with the

(35:08):
people that ran the video store downtownhere and this this video rental store just
closed this year. They were oneof the literally one of the last four
or five in Canada and they hadlike twenty thousand movies. It was one
of those like hole in the wallplaces where you could rent anything you could
find. Well, they would alwaysparticipate in local uh like funfares and when

(35:29):
they'd have like parades and events atthe local parks and that. And they're
friends with a guy who had madea couple of uh like screen ready doll
prop suits costplaysuits like out of woulduse the same materials and everything, and
every year that they would show upand they you know, driving around with
a voice box, you know,scream and exterminate and like to the point

(35:53):
where like I thinks I got adouble check. But at one point the
BBC had contacted him and one ofhis friends, who's another guy who made
probably two of the only guys thatever made movie set prop Ready Dalek suits
in Canada, and I think theyended up using them for some of the
stuff when they when the CBC andBBC America had some episodes filmed, you

(36:19):
know stateside. I think they usesome of the props because it was cheaper
to borrow their stuff than it wasto make new stuff for the show only
to use once or to have toship stuff over. So I know that
it's been used in some stuff before. And we're talking like prop Ready.
It's the point where like I gotto touch the suit seat. It's the

(36:39):
dude is like, you're sitting socramped and it's so hot, Like every
like twenty minutes he has to popthe hat off. He's like I need
air and the Yeah, like atleast on the TV show, they had
to hire dancers to do it becausethey had to be really quick on their
feet to move around in it.Oh yeah, so yeah, I have
small dancers. I mean, yeah, anyway, I mean at least you

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know there's that, and you thinkof obviously where George Lucas went with R
two D two, Like where doyou think that came from? Obviously,
right, Yeah, And it's likehe went the different route of you know,
just hiring a person that fit withinit and didn't have to contort themselves
and be able to move around.But it's like you can see the influence
of the dolls on future sci fi, Like it's has there ever been two,

(37:28):
like two iconic characters that influenced scifi as much as Robbie the Robot
and and the Dollics. I can'tthink of any that are that inspirational to
like science fiction worldwide. Yeah,it changed design of things for sure,
but I think I think Doctor Whoin general did that. Yeah, you

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can see Doctor Who in general ripplingthrough sci fi in a lot of different
ways. But anyway, yeah,I would say that the second movie,
if we want to talk about thesecond movie a little bit, is probably
a little scarier and more realistic tokids because it takes place on Earth after

(38:10):
the Dalek's invade and they've basically killedoff most of the human race. But
they're filming it around in places thatlook like London, and it looks like
postwar London. Yeah, so it'sall bombed out and if you watch,
there's actual like posters on the wallfor like ads that are like nineteen forties
and fifties ads. So it evenhas this weird post war like wreckage quality

(38:36):
to everything. That's really I don'tknow as a person that looks at you
know, postwar bombed out stuff fromthe UK, you know, old film
like that. It is purposely tryingto give that that feel that Yeah,
it's double the budget too, andit shows in the map paintings and the

(39:00):
shots and like, I'll be honest, one of the best looking like saucer
ship like models that I've seen fromthat era, right, Like, if
we're thinking pre Star Trek, pretwo thousand and one, this is one
of the best looking alien shit likeas far as how it looked on film,

(39:20):
I was like, geez, thisthis had a budget to it,
and I'm like, two hundred andninety thousand, I'm like, that doesn't
seem like a lot. But thenyou consider like it was rare to have,
you know, that kind of abudget on a European film. At
the time, this was, youknow, as cheap as it is maybe
for us today, this was prettyprestigious. Doubling your budget from your first
film. The art department went wildhere you could tell yeah, go ahead,

(39:49):
oh oh no. I was tosay one of the things that blew
me away about the second movie,and I noticed it almost immediately, and
this is that's what kept me engagedthe entire movie. The soundtrack to this
is so catchy, Like I'm nota guy who would go out and buy

(40:10):
vinyl, but I have a feelingif I could find a vinyl recording of
this soundtrack, it would sound mindblowingly good, Like there's just something of
a way, like it's electronic y, it's kind of hippie nineteen sixtyes,
but just it feels this retro futuristicsound, like it gets in you and

(40:35):
it doesn't want to leave, andI just it felt like another character in
the movie. And whenever the soundtrackwas cranked up and the action was like
kind of happening, like when they'refighting the robo men, or when they're
attacking the Dollic spaceship, when thedoctor and the constable have been captured and
it gets all action boppy kind ofthere, like I don't know it just

(40:58):
it sticks with you, like I'vereally wish I had other other words in
my vocabulary to describe how much Iloved the sound in this, Like,
my God, very quickly, thelook and feel of this. To me
when I was watching it, thefirst thing that popped into my head was,
this is like V the Final Battle, but twenty years earlier. Yeah,
just just the look and feel oflike the invaders are here, you

(41:21):
know where it's like we're it's almostlike we're thrown into the middle of it.
We didn't see what happened to getus here, but we're like right
in the midst of it. AndI liked it that it was more expansive
some of the stunts in this,the stunt where the man is like trying
to run away and he's like shotdown from the blown out building. Yeah,

(41:44):
and Lance, I rewound that twoor three times and I went that
guy broke something like there's there's nosafety net and he felt funny. It
didn't look right. I'm like,it's not it's not a dummy. I'm
going, what is this guy fell? Something happened here? Somebody's collecting a
you know, some sort of medicalassurance pension on this, because that did

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not look med Mike, you mightwant to check out some of the Doctor
Who television series soundtracks from like theseventies and eighties, if you if you
like the music from this, Yeah, like I can find them, Like
I have a whole bunch hiding somewherein the house because obviously I do am
a Doctor Who fan, but alot of them can be pretty catchy.

(42:30):
Yeah, like when I started towatch older Doctor Who. Once I started
getting into the newer series, Ifound myself very drawn to the third doctor
stuff. I think the first I'mtrying to remember what the first that's favorite.
Oh, Darling, and you andI are spirit animals, like I

(42:51):
dig I dig that guy so much, Like see you know cape Doctor Who
card doctor is John Pertwey. He'sthe first actor that played the doctor that
I ever met. But yeah,he is Darlene's favorite doctor and I love.
He's my second favorite doctor, andthat's including the new the new series.

(43:15):
He's in my top five. He'smy second favorite. My first favorite
is Sylvester McCoy the Seventh Doctor,because I love every episode by him,
but yeah, John Pertway because theirstyle and his eyes, oh yeah,
John Pertway and his eyebrows, howhe can move his eyebrows. But you
see, all all the actors thatplay the doctor, Peter Kushing included,

(43:37):
have charisma. Yeah, Like it'sthis magnetic personality because they have to convey
I'm approachable, i want to helpyou. I'm smarter than you, but
I'm humble about it. We're gonnaget through this together. I'm gonna give
you hope, but you're ultimately gonnasave yourself. And that's what I think

(43:59):
doctor who does well. Some couldbe more snaky, Yeah Capaldi, I'm
looking at Yeah, William Hartnell islike the first doctor. He can be
really off putting at times, butthat's kind of the point. Like when
the doctor suddenly gets dark and givesyou the look, you know that like

(44:21):
he's going to wreckt it, Likethat's the way it's going to be because
he sees something evil and he's goingto deal with it. And even you
know, John Pertwey does the samething more rarely because John Pertwey's the third
doctor, is much more light thanhe's also stuck on her. Yeah,
so he's having to deal with stranger. I guess more easy situations to him.

(44:45):
They might not be easy situations toUnit or the human characters around him.
But it feels like he even says, like most of the stuff is
below me. This is all stuffthat you humans can take care of,
you know. But that's like theonly time he gets a little touchy about
it because he's stuck on Earth.But anyway, sorry, well, and

(45:07):
and then looking at the other doctors, like for the ones that came back
for the specials, yeah, theTarget specials. Uh. I guess Tom
Baker is the only one that didn't. But I'm assuming he didn't because he's
like, he's very very old.They just released the BBC just released a
picture of him in his costume todayin fact, and because yeah, I

(45:29):
think he's ninety or ninety one orsomething. And he came back for was
it one of the last specials theydid? Well, last specials one of
the the I think it was thebig one with David te Matt Smith.
He played he played the curator.Oh, that's it, that's it.
He wasn't tagged well or was hehe was, but yeah, he just

(45:52):
called himself the Curator is all yeah, And I mean, but the others
that came back was interesting to seebecause, like I know, this is
a discussion of the two movies,but it's also a discussion on like the
sixtieth anniversary and everything tied into it, right. It was interesting to me

(46:14):
to see, uh, you know, Peter Davison come back as well as
Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy. Whatsurprised me was, you know, I
figured most of these doctors were probablyall around like ninety years old. I
didn't realize that Peter Davison was soyoung when he played the doctor compared to

(46:34):
the Yes and his daughter married marriedDavid Tennant. Oh yeah, family.
She was on an episode of TheNew Theories too, as the doctor's daughter.
She was the one that got clonedoff David Tennant. That's where they

(46:55):
met. Oh yeah, and theygot married. And I just sent you
the picture of Tom Baker. Iknow that's in our private chat, but
yeah, no, I'm really happythat Sylvester McCoy came back for those For
one of those specials with Sophie Aldredas Ace, we got to see some

(47:15):
of the old doctor stuff I wouldhave loved to see, honestly, as
the sixtieth anniversary. I would loveto see some of the people from these
movies. And the upside is isthat we will see one person from these
movies in the specials that are comingout, and that's Bernard Cribbins. Because
Bernard Cribbins was in the second movieDalc Invasion of Earth twenty one to fifty.

(47:37):
He was Tom and he plays Wilfwho's Donna's grandfather in the new series,
and he will be there for thesespecials because he only died recently,
but he filmed some stuff for thesespecials before he did. Because you know,
it's interesting how they kept bringing people. It is almost like when we

(48:00):
think of Star Trek bringing in peopleover multiple generations and shows for guest spots
and stuff. This is like theBritish version, obviously, where they always
bring people back. They always findways to incorporate them. They'll write interesting
tidbits into stories, weave them inand this like this, this movie twenty

(48:22):
one fifty. I could almost seethis one being remade. It could be.
I feel like the previous one isa more of a relic of the
sixties that doesn't really fit in today'sstories necessarily you'd have to do a lot
of tweaking to it to make itfit into the modern way of storytelling.

(48:43):
There's not a ton you'd have todo to deal invasion of Invasion Earth twenty
one to fifty for it to evenbe pretty relevant to, like, you
know, things that are going onin the world today. Even interestingly,
with the plot here, it's youknow, they're sent to the future.
They get involved in a resistance movementagainst the invaders, and they find out

(49:07):
that the dollks are planning to,uh they're not just planning to overthrow us,
They're they're planning to, uh wasalter the Earth's core so that we
can Are they gonna move the planetwhat it was to be? They I
think the idea is they're gonna belike a space ship or something. Yeah,
they're gonna which Actually, there wassomething that I read about this like

(49:34):
a while ago, and it's gonnasound weird, and since Aaron, I
know, you've got a pretty solidbackground in science, I remember there was
an article that was saying, whatif Earth was knocked out of its orbit
and if what if it became arogue planet floating through the the cosmos doing
its own thing. How long wouldwould the planet survive? And I got

(49:57):
the thinking because I know this hasbeen a theory that's and floating around in
the scientific community for decades at thispoint. And if doctor who just kind
of did this on kind of awhim, that's really forward thinking because Earth
wouldn't immediately die if that were tohappen. Now, plant life and eventually
things would eventually freeze over. Butwith the Daleks being a super advanced race

(50:21):
having a planet sized spaceship, it'snot a terrible idea. You'd have abundant
resources and minerals and everything, plusthe heat from the Earth's core and everything.
I'm thinking that's kind of a cleveridea. But then it all gets
destroyed. I mean, but theissue that we have with stuff like that
is always that before you even getto Earth, you've got the asteroid belts

(50:46):
Jupiter all that. If you've gotthe ability to do something like that to
a planet, you don't even needto invade another planet. You can just
build whatever size spaceship you want atthat point, like, why not why
not build nevn rings or giant O'Nealcylinders or topologies not topologies? Poulus they're

(51:10):
like chains of O'Neal cylinders that canreach billions of miles long. But yeah,
I mean not that the Daleks wouldactually care about any of the life
on Earth, but yeah, alllife on Earth would die pretty quickly after.
And believe or not a doctor whohas already done that. It's called
Mandas. It's where the cybermen comefrom. And in the original timeline,

(51:31):
Mandas is actually a twin of Earththat orbited it on the opposite side of
the Sun from us, and itfell out of orbit and it actually started
orbiting way outside Pluto, and everythingdied, and the cybermen slowly started replacing
their feeling organs and things with cybernetics. And that's how the cybermen were made.

(51:52):
They basically just died. Everything died. It's pretty bleed well. The
only way I could see it workingwould be like or the reason for them
if they wanted to update it withlike why would they go through the bother
of taking our planet? There wouldhave to be something like we have some
rare element on the inn Earth,like down in the core or something that

(52:15):
is not easily mined where they arenot easily found, and it's cheaper and
more resource friendly to just steal thewhole frea. Well we are all yeah,
so everything on Earth is going tobe found everywhere else. But I
mean that's that's that's what we talkabout versus soup all the time. Though

(52:35):
with alien invasion movies there's usually there'sonly like a couple reasons, like legitimate
reasons for aliens to ever like invade. I think we've said it on an
episode at least, like it's youliterally believe that life on this planet is
evil and needs to be wiped outbecause of religious reasons, not for resources
or anything like that, because whateverresources Earth has, you can get easier,

(53:00):
less fuss elsewhere. How About howabout biodiversity of genetic material because you've
got some sort of strain of somethingthat's killing off all life on your planet,
but we they maybe taking our Youask for it, you go,
I need help, I have samples. Yeah, it's it will result in

(53:25):
maybe. Yeah, I'm a prettydominant I need you. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Ineed you. That's a clip right there.
Well, well, hello, JulieStrays from the Double Girl from Mars.
Mars is dying out because the womentook over and bred their men to

(53:49):
submissively, so they need to cometo Earth and invade so they can get
better genes. But the point isis that you could literally just go on
to television and and go, Hi, I'm I'm Misdominatrix from Mars. I
need I need men to have sexwith us constantly on Mars to repopulate the
planet. And I have volunteers,and there'd be men lining up, and

(54:13):
that goes the same way the otherway, but I mean it would go
the other way too well, itwould there'd be women lining up for I
mean, how many how many timeshave we seen in other latinations where it
says uh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So I
mean, but we're getting away fromDoctor Who because we're just babbling about random

(54:36):
ship. But but but but gettinggetting into that what you're saying there with
the only few reasons to to wantto invade or attack or whatever, Michael,
doesn't that make you think of MassEffect and how they basically cover both
in the original Mass Effect trilogy TheGames. It's uh, it's essentially about
artificial life being afraid that organic lifeis going to its story everything destroy itself

(55:01):
and everything and there will have beenno reason for life to have lived.
Yeah, And their idea is preservepreserve the history of organic life within a
construct and as like a museum pieceessentially a living museum piece of artificial intelligence.

(55:22):
And they do a cycle every fiftythousand years so that it gives new
life the opportunity to grow to acertain point. And then they call it
and then and what was going tobe the next set of trilogy with mass
effect and drama where they're in theAndromeda Galaxy where you know, they sleep
for hundreds of years while they're infashion and light travel, wake up there
and their utopia that they think they'refinding has been conquered by another alien race

(55:45):
there in that one the aliens thatare conquering that part of the galaxy or
that part of the universe are theresimply because they've been genetically manipulating themselves and
to become the perfect species. Andthey think of all other life as lesser
to the point where they should justbe destroyed because their religion says so.

(56:05):
Yeah, and that's basically what theDolleks think is that all other life is
slime and doesn't need to exist becausethere's only one true life form and that's
Daleks except that life form. Yeah, they're kind of an engineered they're engineered.
Yeah, and there's even been timeswhere the dogs have even teamed up

(56:28):
with other races, but even thenthe alliances are temporary. They've teamed up
with the Cybermen on a couple ofoccasions they inevitably stab each other in the
back. They've teamed up with theSuntaurns. That new special, Michael,
the one that power the Doctor.No, I haven't seen that one yet.
I really need to that that beforethe new before the actual special new

(56:51):
movies come or new TV specials comeout. Uh. I think the first
one is this week. I shouldn'tbe should be tomorrow maybe, Yeah,
before that does, you should giveit a watch, because that's an hour
and a half long. It's basicallya TV movie, and it brings back
people from a bunch of the previousDoctor's companions, as well as some other

(57:12):
Doctor's appearances in some scenes. Uh. And within that, the part of
the plot line is there is adollic defector oh that it decides to try
to help, which you know,that's a rarity in itself. And I'll
say, Michael, it doesn't gowell oh yeah, about as well as

(57:37):
one might expect, precisely, Andpart of that plot line is eerily similar,
you know, probably as a asa point to reference some of the
past stories where they're part of theone of part of the disasters in that
episode or that special is they're usinga drilling system that seems kind of similar

(57:59):
to this this one in the nineteensixties movie twenty one fifty eighty where they're
trying to drill down to affect volcanos. Which watching both of these within a
span of a week of each other, I was like, wait a minute,
I see what you're doing here.You're taking some highlights of some of
the previous stories and sort of puttinga spin on them and putting them together

(58:20):
in the new one. So that'swhy I think this holds up pretty well.
You know, plotline in this movieis it's your standard resistance movie,
figuring out sort of what happened,finding you know, finding camaraderie amongst the
resistance movement, but also finding thatthere are traders willing to sell you out

(58:40):
for favor, which again doesn't work, doesn't help anybody, and certainly doesn't
help the traders. I mean,one thing I've really liked about Doctor Who.
As we start to wind down thisconversation, I like how Doctor Who
creates so many different and interesting villains. The Daleks are probably one of my

(59:04):
favorite bad guys in sci fi.Ultimately. I love their appearance. I
like how single minded of purpose theyare and how they will destroy you.
I like how they've crossed over someof my other favorite sci fi properties.
There is a very interesting Star Trekversus Doctor Who thing where the Borg and

(59:27):
the Cybermen and the Daleks all fight. If I remember that right, Yeah,
that's pretty kind of kick ass,and it's really neat just to see
what they do. And again thereare bad guys and Doctor Who. Like,
there's another group of bad guys.They look like giant space rhinoceroses,
the Jidoun. That's such a coolfrigging name, and they're basically space cops,

(59:52):
the sontaurns Akid, the Potato guys. Like, there's so many fascinating
parts of this franchise, and talkingabout this makes me want to maybe jump
back into it. Like I leftabout halfway through the Capaldi run, I
saw a couple episodes of the Whinnakerstuff. I've heard some backlash about the

(01:00:15):
Timeless Child. I know very littleabout it. I have most of the
Doctor Who role playing game. Infact, they give you a preview of
our holiday gift guid I actually gotsent from Cubicle seven, which is the
role playing company that has the licenseof the role playing game. There's a
Dungeons and Dragons fifth edition conversion forDoctor Who, and I'd be very curious

(01:00:37):
to see how that worked, becausetheir system for Doctor Who was very,
very, very interesting. And that'salso another reason why I kept engaged with
the franchise for so long, becauseeach doctor would get their own source book,
so even if you weren't playing thegame, it was this huge encyclopedia
of knowledge, and you'd learn thingsabout the ada pose, which is like

(01:00:58):
fat that like me and al forfat guys, but it's an alien that
they're happy, but it's so weirdbecause they're so if you ask some people.
But you also have the autons,the fact that living plastic that a
cool idea consciousness which is actually uhuh and one of the great old ones.

(01:01:22):
Basically, it's like Lovecraft is athing in the Doctor Who universe.
All the Lovecraft mythod and yeah,that's one of them. I think that's
Nary elthrop Is the Nesting Oh that'sawesome. I didn't know that. Like
again, this it's a Francis thathas so many different layers. And as

(01:01:42):
much as I love Star Trek andStar Wars, I like how Doctor Who
takes risks, it challenges what youmay think of as a bad guy.
I think the Master from the ThirdDoctor Run Forward is an amazingly bad bad
guy. I love the different don'tforget if you're going to watch some of

(01:02:04):
the Doctor Who's stuff. There's alsothe Sarah Jane Adventures much for kids.
Yeah, but it's wow, reallywell done. And then there's like also
the darker torch Woods, and there'sa I was gonna say torch would I
loved, wasn't There's the Canine showsas well. Yeah, yeah, but

(01:02:27):
the torch With stuff. I hadfriends that watched Torchwood and didn't know it
was Doctor Who connected because the waythey marketed it up here initially. Yeah,
and I mean because I just rememberpeople saying to me, you should
check this out. It's like Rrated X Files but British, and it
was like okay watching it and Iwas like, wait, a minute,

(01:02:49):
this is Doctor Who. And andthen you know they had that spin off,
well, that spin off that thefinal season that was produced only in
the States, Miracle Day. Thatwas Miracle Day. Yeah. Yeah,
the idea that was disturbing the conceptof it took that simple concept of what
happens if death doesn't exist anymore andthen you just you don't die, but
also what happens to the population?Foods like, it's it's torture in itself

(01:03:15):
right, So and of course thecasting of that show was really really good,
so there were a lot of space. I wonder if this new Disney
deal where Disney's i think fronting atleast half of the money for each each
season moving forward forever long and gettingexclusive streaming rights, and they're i think
filming a lot of it both sidesof the pond. I'm wondering if that

(01:03:39):
means we're going to get more spinoffs again, Will we get a revival
of Torchwood? Will we get otherstuff? I mean, Sarah Jane is
not going to come back in thatform obviously, unless they would not be
able to do the Torchwood stuff,because first thing, it's dealing with pretty
dark ideas took pretty dark ideas,but also, yeah, what is gender

(01:04:05):
and and that's that's the thing.They might tackle it. It would I
guess it would have to depend onhow popular Doctor Who gets. If this
gives it a full blown revival inpopularity in the States, like to full
mainstream, maybe they would do itand tackle it under like the Fox banner,
because I think they have it astar or something. Is that that's

(01:04:26):
what they're calling their adult section onthe streaming platforms or maybe it would still
be separate or maybe the BBC wouldhandle it or something. But I would
like to see more spinoffs. Youknow, give me, you know,
introduce some interesting characters and give melike their version of I don't know,
Star Trek. Just introduce a bunchof people in the future and they just

(01:04:47):
literally have it be British Star Trekand it just have it be a crew
that the Doctor encounters in one episodeand then give us our Star Trek.
Please. Unwearthly Child and the DoctorDances is where you first see John Hart.
Unearthly Child is not an empty child. Empty Child sorry. Empty Earthly

(01:05:08):
Child is the first episode and I'mjust gonna yeah, it's it's fine.
He would have probably been like oneor two years old and you but yeah,
you actually see him as the faceof Bow, which I thought was
such a clever callback. Which yeah, when I when I saw that,

(01:05:32):
I just remember comments online and they'relike, oh, you should see this
episode the Face of Bow, andeverybody was just referred to it as,
oh, it's Joan Rivers in thirtyyears and that's me but mean but funny.
But yes, I mean plot wisehere, Uh, I know we

(01:05:54):
haven't gone too deep. It's justthese are fun movies. They're worth watching.
Are they a good entry point ifyou're not familiar with the series?
Maybe not, because there are differencesto it, but if you're somebody who's
been interested maybe in the early sixtiesshows. But to be honest, some
of those are going to be ahard watch for the younger generations. The
early stuff, the black and whitestuff, it hasn't been the best kept

(01:06:16):
as far as archival quality. Fora lot of it. It could look
kind of rough. It looks prettyrough until you get to the third or
fourth doctor, right so, andI mean even that stuff, there are
people that are going to argue,especially people younger than us, that even
right up to Syvester McCoy stuff isrough to watch when you know, if

(01:06:39):
that's the case, maybe you're jumpingon point should be Tales of the Tartists,
because those are ones that they've tightenedup the stories, made them into
one hour specials or one and ahalf hour specials, added some bookends to
them. That might be a goodentry point, and then jump into these
movies and then the rest of theseries, And if you're curious, you
can listen to us talk about iton our Earth Versus Soup episodes and we

(01:07:02):
go into real detail on the plotand all the behind the scenes stuff.
Yeah. So, yeah, guys, that was our discussion of the two
nineteen sixties Doctor Who. Move's definitelyworth checking out in as Alex and Aaron
have explained, maybe not the bestjumping on point, but definitely something you
should probably check out. Definitely acool side side dish to the Doctor Who

(01:07:27):
franchised. So we've got a couplemore Future and Perfects in the camp before
the end of the year. Iknow we're going to be talking about Star
Trek Prodigy before the end of theyear, and then I know we'll probably
have something during the holiday season forsure, and then yeah, then we're
pretty much going to be off fromDecember ninth four, but we still have

(01:07:48):
two more twig regular shows, sothat's going to be on Monday the twenty
seventh and on December fourth, somake sure you're staying tuned for those shows.
Plus we've got the Game Awards comingup, which it's gonna be a
packed year. This year has reallycome out swinging. And then we have
our annual Holiday Gift Guide, whichis me and Alex are almost to the

(01:08:09):
point where of telling the FedEx guy, oh god, please stop. There's
so much stuff at our door thisyear. So we got a lot of
really neat stuff to talk about.Plus me and David Denier are gonna be
talking about some more loose cannons,which you're gonna hear during the holiday break.
I know, me Ken and maybeJT might be talking about the Mortal
Kombat stuff. We just got toget a date lined up for that.
So don't worry, guys. Lotsof stuff coming up. But today it's

(01:08:33):
Thanksgiving Doctor Who Day, so pleasego out enjoy some turkey. Maybe the
Doctor will show up in your backyardand hey, maybe you'll go have a
wonderful adventure. So for this weekin Geek, from the wonderful land of
Kitchener, we have been Alex theProducer, and from the land of time
and space beyond known as Lansing,Michigan, I may have been, and

(01:08:57):
I've been Mike the Birdman, sayingwe'll catch you guys again next time,
right here on Future Imperfect only onvisweken geek dot Net.

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