Future Imperfect - Judge Dredd (1995) & Dredd (2012) - ThisWeekInGeek

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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just a little anxious to get up there and whoop
be Tea's ass.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
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Speaker 5 (00:17):
Look, there's only one return, okay, and it ain't up
the king.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's of the Jedi.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
Batman is playing Gallagher thought we wouldn't notice.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
But we did. I'm running this mooky part, no franking time,
and I want to know what the food you're doing
with my time?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Would you like to know more? As a city will
continue to grow? Seventy three citizen riots.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
My god, are you very judged?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Constitute?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Gad you're a legend.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
You are my finest.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You're under arrest. What's the charge? Has charged?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Eight hundred million people living in the ruin of the
old world, only one thing fighting for order and the chaos.
The men and women of the Hall of Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Peace Trees is the manufacturing base for all the slow
mo and mega city one.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
You know how often we get a judge up in
Peace Trees, Well you got.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
One now, reading, citizens of this megacity. One Endorse podcast.
I am your street judge for the evening. Actually, you
know what, I'm gonna give myself a promotion Chief Justice
Mike the Birdman. But I'm joined with my fellow street
judges from their own mega blocks around the world. This

(02:02):
is Future and Perfect joined from the lovely megablock of Kitchener.
We are joined with Alex the Producer and well says
there arguably the smartest guy that we podcast with. I'm
gonna say this guy pretty much be our law professor
from Lansing, Michigan.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, I'm from the part of the Earth that's the
Cursed Earth. Now, I'm Aaron Pollier.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yes, guys, we are here on Future Imperorse. This is
the show on Twig where we talk about all things science,
science fiction, and maybe even some real life stuff occasionally.
So yes, if you haven't guessed it so far, we're
going to be talking about a yet another exciting double feature,
and this one is one I'm actually really glad we're
getting a chance to actually kind of chat about. We're

(02:47):
gonna be talking about the two Judge Dread movies we
have so far. We have Judge Dread from nineteen ninety five,
starring Sylvester Stallone and then Dread from twenty twelve starring
Karl Urban. Yeah, this is a franchise. Surprisingly, I haven't
actually read a lot of the comics, but I've actually

(03:08):
done a lot with the supplementary media with it as well.
So most often we kind of go around the table,
kind of get everybody's initial how they got involved with
the franchise. I'll start to give these guys a little
bit of a moment to get their thoughts together. So
way back when, in the Tender Year of nineteen ninety five,

(03:29):
I do remember seeing Judge Dredd in theaters, and I
remember this really really clearly because at that time, Adam
Sandler was still really hot, and so was Rob Schneider.
So when you put Rob Schneider into something, typically it
would translate, you know, into some kind of box office

(03:50):
buzz because of his appearances on Saturday Night Live, working
with all the Sandler crew whatever. I think I was
listening to the Adam Sandler CD at that time, so
obviously I was into that type of humor. I was
a dorky kid. But my local theater had picked up
I think it was Owen Sound Cinema's three at this time,
it hadn't become cinemas five yet, before it was tore

(04:12):
down and rebuilt into the galaxy that it is now
there today. But I remember seeing this so ninety five.
I was probably just going into high school at this time,
and I'd seen the trailers for Judge Dread and again
I was big until into Sylvester Stallone, but I hadn't
seen a Rambo movie, but I had seen stuff like

(04:36):
I think it was Cliffhanger at the time. Demolition Man
would be coming out soon if it hadn't been earlier
that year, but anyway, so I went to go see this,
and again i'd never really seen a cyberpunk bee because
I don't think Johnny na Monic was till like a
couple of years later. And went into this and just

(04:59):
was utterly and away because again I'd never seen really
good sci fi on the big screen, Like a lot
of the stuff I'd seen would be like kind of
kid oriented stuff I'd seen like Star Wars, but that
was always at home on the small screen. So this
was a really big experience for me. And then again,
the thing that really captured me with Judge Dread back

(05:20):
in ninety five was what everything looked like and even
going back and revisiting the movie last night, as of
this recording, I really have to give it to set design.
I really have to give it to costume design and
props in this movie. In fact, I was writing on
my letterbox account last night that this is still my

(05:41):
favorite representation of the Lawgiver, which is Judge Dread's iconic weapon,
and this is probably my favorite version of the street
Judge armor, but only for street judges, but not for
Judge Dread himself, if that makes any kind of sense. Basically,
if they were meant to be like cannon fodder street judges,

(06:02):
I'd be fine with it. But anyway, saw this in theaters,
loved it, had the Super Nintendo game, and I remember
for a couple of months it was kind of a
hot thing. I remember picking up a magazine in a
Cole's books that talked about British toys and they talked

(06:24):
about two thousand and eighty, which is the comic where
Judge Dread originally came from, and they would talk about,
you know, the history of Judge Dread, the Mutants, I
think even some of the storylines that were going on
at the time. And again it was something that I
had no experience with. I mean, to be very frank
and kind of giving away my small town ignorance. I

(06:46):
didn't know comics were made outside of North America at
this time. I had no idea that there were, like
British comics. Japanese manga was still remarkably new to me.
So yeah, again, this was something new, This was something different.
This wasn't Spider Man, this wasn't the X Men. This
was people getting dispatched in very violent manners. Though the

(07:09):
Judge Dread movie would not be representation really of what
Judge Dreid is supposed to be. It turned more into
I knew you'd say that another goofy bullshit, but I
had a good time with it. But does the movie
hold up? Well, we'll kind of get to that. So
I'm gonna throw things over to Aaron And what was
your first experience was Judge Dread nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, my first experience with Judge Dread overall was actually
with the comics, just because of being exposed during Doctor
Who conventions before the movie came out, you know, because
there was a lot of a lot of comics being
brought over from the UK at those conventions and Okay,
well what's this. This is weird, it's interesting. Oh they're

(07:53):
making a movie. Well that's cool. I saw the movie
in the theaters. I enjoyed it, loved it.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I didn't think that it fit the feel of the
comics that well, if that makes sense. But I liked
that the movie felt comic book ish. Now I can
go into into the twenty twelve Dread, which is which
is different if you want me to.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
If that's okay, we will get there, but give us
a tease.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I was really excited, mainly because all of the production
stuff made it look and feel a lot more like
the comics, even though it was far less comic book visually.
If that makes sense. Yeah, there's a very large difference
between the two movies mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
And I think it's something that both are relics of
their time, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I
found the Dread twenty twelve leans more into realistic and practical,
like the law Masters don't fly. Even the Lawgiver makes

(09:12):
a little bit more sense. I think it's just like
a dressed up sig, maybe a glock. I'm out one
hundred percent sure, and I'm like, all right, it's not
like as goofy as the judge dreading like, and their
their armor makes a hell of a lot more sense
other than just here's some kevlar shoulder pads. Good luck kid,
And yeah, it was just like hmm, but yeah, I

(09:32):
completely agree with what you said there, like it nailed
some things and didn't nail other things. But definitely we're
gonna get to that because this made me just a
very broad discussion of both kind of movies here, because
the both are very different in their approaches and story
and what they're actually adapting. So we're gonna finish things
off with Street Judge, Alex, what did you think?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, for some reason, I in my head was under
the impression that this was like a tune first growing up,
so it might have just been it was I think
that I had played and rented the the Superintendo game
with friends a bunch, and in my head I didn't
know it was a comic book because I wasn't somebody

(10:16):
who really went to comic book stories at the time,
and if I did, it wasn't to check out you know,
expensive mature European comics. It would have been you know,
whatever X Men comic was out at the time, because
the movie came out when I was like eight years
old something like that. So for me, it just sort

(10:38):
of fit into the you know, the superheroe type movies
that were happening at the time, like as a kid.
And again, because you know how your your memories can
be malleable and things merged together. In my head, I
thought when I rented this on v HS, I thought

(11:01):
this was going to be a sequel to Demolition Man,
simply because because it was the same lead actor, and
Rob Schneider was in it as well, because he was
in Demolition Man. So I was just like, oh, so
this is this the sequel? Is this Demolition Man too?
You know? Like that? That's that was my thought before

(11:21):
watching it. And then of course, you know it's vastly different.
But to say something to what Aaron was saying before
as far as the looking like a comic book, this
to me is the movie that looks the most like
an actual like comic book outside of the Tim Burton
Batman movies.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah I could see that.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, like where the world looks like a living comic.
And that's really the praise I can remember as a
kid thinking like, this does look like you know, Batman,
you know, quote unquote the way the world was built,
whereas is obviously the remake or the reimagining sequel, whatever

(12:03):
you want to call it, is much more grounded and
more maybe how you would actually live in that world
versus beyond that. I played a bunch of the pinball
game of all things local. Yeah, the local arcade had
had one of the pinball machines, so I think it
was probably Midway or somebody or Bally somebody must have

(12:25):
put it out, but it was I remember that was
that was It was actually pretty popular, and I think
I think there was a PlayStation one game that my
friends and I rented right around that time. It might
have come out. The game probably came out a year later,
but that was something that we played. And to me,

(12:46):
this is one of the more at the time I
you know, watched the movie Forget about It, I was
probably more invested in the video game than it wasn't
the movie as a kid at least, and that's pretty
much my memory. So that and I just remember being
a big flop. I remember them talking about it being
a flop on television.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yeah, like I remember when this came out. This was
supposed to be like a huge Sylvester like stallone Summer experience,
and it did not live up to expectations, Like this head,
was this Diane Lad was this Lane? Lane Lane? I
always get those two mixed up. I actually had this

(13:27):
conversation with our mutual friend Liam last night, like why
do I get these two women mixed up that? He's like,
Mike Martha. I'm like, oh, oh, okay, yeah, so this
is Martha Kent from the Superman franchise, from the later
uh DC things like oh, okay, now I recognize her, but.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Basically what one is a generation younger than the other.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, and like when you look at Judge Dread as
a whole, like, you're right. This was supposed to be
the I guess, kind of the X stepping stone to
like because comic movies, Yeah, we'd had a couple like
we'd had the Batman's. Then things got a little bit
different with Batman Forever, and then obviously we got to

(14:12):
the more extreme with Batman and Robin with Schumacher ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Basically everybody went kind of nutty after the success of
Batman and Batman Returns and they were green lighting everything
and it was all like not just comic books like this,
it was the comic strips. Think about all the ones
that failed that were originally comic strips around this time,
in like a three year period, The Phantom, the Shadows,
The Phantom, the Shadow. There's at least two or three

(14:40):
more that I can think of. And then there's the
these Roger Corman Fantastic four from Roger Korman that was
made just to be shelve you have. You know, I
think there was at least one more Superman and Spider
Man project that were in the works that failed to
you know, materialize. There was a bunch and this was

(15:00):
like seeing, I think at the time as well, this
can't fail because it's got one of the biggest moneymaker
people in the world in it. So like they instead
of casting you know, maybe somebody who was not an
action star in it, or was you know, a different
body type, they were like, well, let's just put one
of our guys in. You know, Arnold wasn't going to
do it at this point because he hadn't signed on yet,

(15:22):
I don't think for Batman, but like this was still
when this was signed for at least this was peak
action hero error, right, Like they were just expecting this
was going to make like two hundred million dollars or more. Yeah,
and I think it was. This was like one of
the first big wake up calls where they're like, wait
a minute, no, the movie, you know, it can't just

(15:42):
be any movie this.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
I actually just had a thought when you were kind
of speaking there, So I'd love to hear iesr panel
as thoughts on this. I wonder if Judge Dread fell
so Men in Black could run. And what I mean
by that is Men in Black was a fairly obscure
comic book and then it became a monster hit megafranchise.

(16:07):
But it also had the right alignment of stars, had
the right special effects, and it was interesting at the time.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Oh go ahead, Alex, go first.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
My initial thoughts, first thing came in my head was
that's a movie that was centered around the premise of
comedy first, whereas whereas this was this was another action
movie with action movie comedy, not like this movie could
have been take away the Judge Dread part and it's

(16:41):
just any other you know, stallone, arny, you know kind
of movie. They just they just painted it with Dread.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
My thought on this is that Men in Black and
Judge Dread are two completely different animals that you can't
really compare mm hmm, mainly because Judge Dread was written
to be serious and Stallone changed it on set to
be funny and tried to force comedy into it for

(17:14):
some reason. And Men in Black was intended to be
funny from the start, and the entire concept of it
was centered around people that could be funny. Have you
seen a Stallone film where he's honestly funny?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Stop?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Wait, intentionally funny in Tango in Cash, No, he's not. No,
it's not him, that's all that's true. That's not that's
not on him. That's everybody else that might have funny moments.
And and don't you dare try to say that, you know,
he could be just as funny as you know any

(17:53):
of his other action co stars. He really doesn't have that.
Arnold has an actual sense of humor. You've never seen
Stallone ever appear to have a real sense of humor.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
But he can't carry a common No.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
If you look at his interviews, he thinks he's funny.
Nobody else thinks he's funny. Arnold is actually funny, and
people are usually surprised that he's funny.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
The director for The Judge Dread even said in interviews
that he was really pissed with Stallone just constantly changing things.
He called him a self absorbed actor and said that
he'd never work with him again, that he completely changed

(18:40):
the tone of the movie. It wasn't supposed to be
so funny. There was supposed to be a couple jokes
in it, but it was like dark humor, and what
you got was basically this wishy washy. Yeah, it's supposed
to be funny, but you can tell that it's sort
of forced. Like Brough brought Rob Schneider in it. He's

(19:03):
I mean, he has a couple of good laughs, like
when he's just mocking Sylvester Stallone, But like, is it
supposed to be funny that he's hiding inside the robot
and he's covered in food.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
That's actually one of the moments. I really kind of
think that's like kind of funny to me, just like
the servo droid is your friend, please let your fred
buy That always kind of gets me. But yeah, it
is kind of goomy. He's covered like ramen.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
For some reason, I think that the issue is, if
they wanted to make it funny, you have to know
what target you're going at, what age demographic? Right, Yeah,
this is the kids. Yeah, this is it's it's super
Mario Brothers the movie all over again. What's the tone?
Mm hmm, what's what's the tone? Who is it for?

(19:49):
It doesn't mean that you know, it's not enjoyable. I
enjoyed my watching it and having seen it in twenty
some od years, watching him like, oh, this is fun.
It's it's this is the kind of fun disaster where
you're like, oh, I see why it didn't make money,
But I still think it should have made more money.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean it was enjoyable. The special effects were
really cool. I liked that they made the robot like
what his name is, what Hammerstein? They made him like
actually practical with hydraulics and everything.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Good.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
And that's a ton of really good actors in this
movie too.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Yeah. Like, actually, to speak to Aaron talking about the robot,
the ABC or the atomic Biological chemical robot, I want
to say that actually came up for auction recently, at
least within the last couple of years. I seem to
recall one of the heritage auction sites or one of
the big movie prop houses putting some stuff up from

(20:45):
Judge Dread fairly recently. I mean, one thing that's one
of the more well known trivia bits about Judge Dread
nineteen ninety five is that the armor was designed by
Gianni Versace, which is a choice, but I kind of
dig it in that reguard because, like Aaron said, like
a lot of the practical stuff, and this looks really good,
like the future looks like how it's supposed to look.

(21:08):
And this is something I didn't pick up until last
night when I was watching this. When Rob's character of
what the fuck's the character's name, I don't know. That's
what I always like.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
So when who is who is extremely bitter and just
not a nice person in real life.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
So when Fergie goes to his new place in Heavenly Haven,
I was gonna call it peace cheese, but that's Dread.
He goes in there, and he goes into the apartment
and all the guys are having the huge block war,
which is basically when civil war breaks down on a
block and then the judges have to come in and
sweep things up. He goes in there and he opens

(21:50):
the door and one of the guys screams drop and
you might be saying, what the fuck does that mean?
DrAk is a curse word in dread in the dread
kind of universe, and not too often can a movie
get away or a television series with using their own
kind of curses. I think the most well known was

(22:12):
Frack from Battlestar Galactica.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Farscape would like to have a word with you, Drill.
I've actually never seen Farscape, dude, Oh my god, Okay, okay,
project time. I know we were trying to get you
to watch I know we were trying to get you
to watch all the Stargate stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
But I got four seasons and to be fair, but.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Wait, wait, wait, you have to watch Farscape because half
of the cast joins and becomes part of the Stargate.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Far Escape is so good.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean, Farscape they to get away with what they
wanted to get away with. The frilling is the f
word drell Uh. They had like entire phrases for four
seasons where characters from whatever planet they came from had
their own swear words, and they never told you what

(23:04):
they meant, but you would get it, and then by
the end of the series, in your head sometimes you'd
be saying those swear words because it was that they
were that catchy. But yeah, they dude. There's there's an
episode of Stargate where it's an episode two hundred where
they're coming up with ideas for their own television show,

(23:25):
and one of them is Farscape, and it's all the
actors playing different roles that then they actually played in Farscape,
and then they are using all the fake swear words
in Stargate.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Okay, I may have to seriously sit down.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
You want to talk about meta, but yes, sorry for
the tangent, but yeah, whatever whatever. A friend of ours
or mine at least says they haven't seen far Escape,
that's a that's a trigger warning right there.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'll start getting into it too. I'll start.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
God, you just don't understand how cool that show is
and that that is.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
That is a project show for us. For sure. We
will touch back on that at some point.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Absolutely, But yeah, like that's one of the little attentions
to detail that caught me and I was also watching
in the background that's looking for little things like I
see them talk about pleasure city, dons or sections or whatever.
There's one reference in I think this is more in

(24:21):
dread than it is in judgment, but I'm pretty sure
they both share this one. In their world, they have
a fetishization of fat people called fatties, where people feed
big people, and that's sort of a thing that is
a thing in reality now, which is just everything better.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I think I should say this everything in this, this movie,
but this this franchise. You can tell it is a
British person's interpretation from afar of American culture in the future,
and it's totally like and as a Canadian seeing it,
it's like, I see what the Europeans are getting at,

(25:01):
and I know it's tongue in cheek and that's part
of it, but at the same time, there is almost
an earnestness to Like it's like when you watch or
you listen to music and it's somebody who's not a
native English speaker, but they they wrote the lyrics in English,
and you're like, that seems a little off. You know,
why would you use that inflection or why why is

(25:22):
that turn of phrase being used? That's not how we
would normally use that. That is what I get what
I get this and just think, you know, calling people fatties,
that is a very British thing to say, and you
know that's not how actual Americans would say it, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, Like it's so strange, but it was just like, again,
just little attentions to detail. Even when Judge Rico, who's
played by armand Assanti's walking down the street, there very
elaborate costures, but they're obviously just picking people who look interesting.
There's people who are presenting as a different gender what

(26:00):
they are, people who are like like kind of street
punky sort of things. But to Aaron's points and yours, Alex,
this feels like Mega City one, like it really nails
the part. And I think movies in the nineties specifically
really hit this well. Like you're mentioning the Batman. This
feels like it's happening in universe like one change. Because

(26:23):
I know Judge straight adapted a story from the Dread
Store from the Dread comments. I'm not precisely sure which one,
but I remember reading something on one of the Judge
read wiki's I was reading about Judge Rico and he
wasn't sent to the Aspen pinal colony. I think he
was sent to something like Titan or something. So space
travel's fairly common in the Judge Dread kind of universe,

(26:45):
at least within Solar System. And they were like, well,
we don't want to give you an environment suit because
we don't want to spend the money on you and
we want you to be a more efficient worker. So instead,
we're gonna replace part of your face with like rebreather,
and we're gonna chemically treat your skin so you can
survive the harshness of near vacuum or at least a

(27:07):
harsher environment than Earth. And I was kind of annoyed
we didn't get the like at least like the Titan
penal colony or whatever. But we got to ask, and
so that's fine. They always talk about being sent the
Iso cubes, which is a very small prison cell. You'll
spend multiple years of your life that would have.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Been made the difference between the ninety million dollar budget
it had and two hundred million if you don't yeah,
having to build out that much. You know, this this
was this is not the age of you know, Marvel
and Disney putting out ridiculous amounts of money or Warner Brothers.
You know, this is twenty years before they started doing
that kind of stuff right where they're building entire worlds

(27:50):
in CG.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, Like the the only other movie that I think
feels comic Bookie and somewhat otherworldly, would be The Fifth Element,
which would come about two years later. But that was
done by French director Luke Bisson, and that looked very
that definitely had a very distinct visual style, and I'd argue.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's a much more solid film.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Franchise.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's just something I'm actually surprised never was franchise, you
know what, you know what I'm kind of it's.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's great, we love it. It's the best way to
describe it is it's too French for it to ever
be big enough in the States on a mainstream Like
you know, I'm I've played video games and you'll play
it and you'll go, wait a minute, this is French,
and you could you can tell, Like I'll be like,
not even just the dialogue, I'll be like, the the aesthetic,

(28:42):
the feel like this is French. I know it's French,
and I'll look it up and be like, yeah, maybe,
and you know, and there's a difference between you know,
Canadian French and Parisian. You can tell when it's Parisian
French when they've made a game, when they made a
game and they make a movie, it's it's very distinct.
And if it's hard to even describe, it's gonna you
shanna say, quha, you can't really tell what it is,

(29:02):
but it's there. And if somebody was like, you know,
what's this, you show them that and they go, oh,
that's you know, that's France. The sci fi right there.
It just has that off kilter quirkiness and this, you know,
doesn't have that to that. Except this, this still feels
very American, but it also feels like an American thing

(29:25):
created by somebody who's not in America.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I want to say one last thing about my thoughts
on the original Judge Dread.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, yes, I actually.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Think that the comic bookiness of it, what seemingly is
closest to the comic books, actually hinders the movie, mainly
because a lot of the Judge Dread humor comes out
of dark, dark place like dark humor and the bright
kind of cyberpunky visuals, all that the comic bookie type stuff,

(29:57):
the over the top costumes tends to work against the
dark humor in a lot of ways, and it changes
the tone of the film. So like that might work,
that style in general might work in a black and
white comic, which most of Judge dread was except for
the covers. But like when you put in huge amounts
of bright colors into it, it really changes the entire

(30:18):
tone of the film. And that's that's in why my
opinion it's the weaker of the two films.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I wonder if they had shot and lit it the
way they say, like Alex Price did with with The
Crow or Dark City. If if you if you had
had the costumes with the color but then had it
all lit all grimy and dim, think that would have
worked better.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
It might it might have.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I mean Dark City is a very stylish movie. I
don't think it would have worked like it's say, with
the style of Sin City.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I don't think that.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Would have no.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Yeah, but yeah, like just a very new wir feel dark, grimy. Yeah,
it might have been better, But again I don't think
it have appealed to audiences as much as you know
the regular version.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Did, especially not ninety five right, Yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
This is exactly but looking back on it, you can
kind of see how at least I can, I can
see why the film just doesn't. It doesn't feel right
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Yeah, like especially because we know when stuff gets adapted,
it it either nails the source material or it doesn't.
Like you mentioned The Crow, when I found out about
some of the casting choices originally for The Crow, like
they want to have Johnny Depp, they want to have
Christian Slater, and Brandon Lee was kind of brought in

(31:42):
as a last minute sort of thing. I think he
just he did something in Little China or Little Tokyo
maybe out you know when I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
At that point, he had done well, he had done
like the Kung Fu TV movie and then he did
uh he did the one Hong Kong film. He had
done uh Laser Mission, Rapid Fire and Big Trouble. Oh no,
uh go down in Little Tokyo with dul Wonder. That's
what That's what it was.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
So when the director for The Crow had let him
do like, you know a thing for it, He's like,
all right, let's see what you can do. And he
really brought an earnestness to the Eric Draven character. When
you look at Stallone as Judge Joseph Dredd. Does he
look the part, Yes, But the second he takes off
the helmet, you lose part of what makes Dread a character.

(32:34):
You need that that faceless law man. You need to project. Yes,
you have that era of hyper masculinity. But Judge Dred
is impartial.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
He is the law good and he can't use the
excuse of you know, sometimes they'll say you have to
show your face because of contracts for how it works
with the union. That's bullshit. This was ego, this was
ego trip. I got to show my face because you know,
this is a comic book. The comic book's not important.

(33:05):
I'm the important aspect I'm in this film.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Yeah, And that's what a lot has come out because
I think Joe Blow did a video on this at
some point in recent memory, and they were talking about
this and as Aaron mentioned, the director had a lot
of problems with this. And when you give Judge Dread
that much personality, you imprint too much on him and
it takes away what he's supposed to be and you

(33:29):
really lose a lot of the story. While the historian
Judge Dread is it particularly great. Basically involves recreating the
Street Judges from someone else who wants to control them,
wiping out independent thought. Judge Rico is Judge Dredd's brother,
wants revenge, blah blah blah. And this was a story
adapted in the comics, but it took a radically different

(33:51):
turn from what I understand it. It just doesn't work.
And again with Stallone saying me, me, me, me, me,
me me, you're not You're being an actor and that's wonderful.
I'm glad you got your payday, but you're not telling
the story as true to the source material. Whereas someone
might say he.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Has, he hams it up to like Jean Claude Van
Damn levels of oh yeah, like Street Fighter. You know,
there's there everything in this people remember mostly are just
the over the top lines that he delivered.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, well yeah, when I watched it in the theater
in ninety five, like, it was funny, right, I but like,
what rewatching it now?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I roll my eyes at some of the some of
those lines.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And it was also in that we were in the
midst of, you know, the big boom for Hollywood when
it came to you know, these big productions. So when
you're in the thick of it, and it's new, and
there isn't a lot of other things that you know,
this we we didn't realize that it was already past
this prime with the style of movie already. Had the
movie come up in nineteen ninety, I feel like it
might have been better received. But also you were saying, like,

(35:01):
you know, him not being funny and Tango and Cash,
you should have if you wanted to, you could have
just had Kurt Russell do it. He would have made
a better dread. He would have probably not cared if
they showed his face or not. He would not would
have worked actually well because right after, right after this,
he went and did Soldier. Yeah, he got in really

(35:23):
good shape, and in that one he barely talks. He
may as well not even be in the movie, you
know what I mean, Like he didn't you know, yes,
they showed his face, but there was really the same
kind of ego there. There would not have been the
same ego. And the only reason I thought of that
was when you're saying Tago Cash, Well, one of those
two actors is funny, naturally, and personaval and one of

(35:43):
the and the other one does some pretty cool action
movies and thinks he's funny and it's still.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, and it's yeah. It's such an interesting I guess
kind of yin and yang to all this. I mean
to wrap up thoughts on Dread nineteen ninety or Judge
Dread and nine nineteen ninety five. I think it's worth watching.
It's definitely a fun little movie. Just it's not as
representative as it could be. It's a nice slice of

(36:09):
the nineteen nights and it's interesting to see where compic
movies be from their primordial ooze into what they are now.
Whether they're good or bad, that's up to and selective taste.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
And a great cast. You know, you do have Stalloon,
Aroanda Santi, Diane Lane, you know Rob nin Jurgen proc
now which again, he was starting to pop up in
more and more American productions like people forget that. That
dude was like a really celebrated dramatic actor. And then
he started doing these. He started popping up and cheesy
stuff like this. I found out he did it. Arnold

(36:42):
Schwarzenegger TV movie recently. Yeah, yeah, in like two thousand
and two or two thousand and four, he played a
young Arnold or something. I think he's I think I
think I think he's I think he's older than Arnold though.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, it was weird. I was talking with Liam.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Like, oh, oh wait, oh you're thinking there's a there's
a movie called Young Arnold, and I think he's playing
the father of him. Yeah, Max Foncito, you know, Yeah,
this Joan Chen's great actress. And then as far as
like some other people that pop up, Adrian Barbeau is
a voice of was it the holl of Justice computer?

(37:21):
I had to look up on Wikipedia because I'm like,
I know that voice. I don't where am I? Where
do I know that voice? I know that voice? Yeah? Her?
And then James Earl Jones, you know, does the narration
that's kind of unmistakable, right, So but yes, like you know,
a good cast, especially for that time period.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So we're gonna switch things up
to Dread twenty twelve, and this is a movie I
saw in a medium sized theater, a smaller one but
still modern equipment. I remember being really excited with this
because again the previous nineteen ninety five version, but by
this time, I think when I used to to help

(38:00):
produce a podcast that was one of the first actual
play podcasts that I'm actually aware of, these Warriors Are
Terrible before it got rebranded to Terrible Warriors. Judge Dredd
was one of the games that we played very very
early on, and I seem to recall. I want to
say it was because of Dread twenty twelve that we

(38:22):
really got into it. I said, I may have my
time slightly skewed, but going into this, I had known
Carl Urban, the guy who plays Dread, as the guy
from Star Trek two thousand and nine. I might have
seen him in one or two other things. I think
Star Trek in the Darkness had come out twenty eleven.

(38:44):
I want to say I.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Knew him from Zena.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh shit, yeah, I had no fucking clue.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
He was one of those guys that popped up on
all those like all those syndicated action shows made in
New Zealand. Oh, if you're somebody from Australia or New
Zealand and you're an action star or a movie star,
now at some point you were in that.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
So going into this, this is when three D was,
oh was all over everything. Every movie was Dread three
D or Avengers three D or whatever. Like you couldn't
escape it. So yeah, I saw Dread and three D
and I'll say this about it. Is the three D necessary?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
No?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Does it add to it with the slow most sequences
actually quite a bit. I was actually very surprised how
non distracting it was. And I'm thinking, all right, this
is actually not a half bad use of three D.
Did I mind paying the extra five dollars or the
ticket whatever? But still I had a good time. And
the way Carl Urban committed to this some of the

(39:51):
stories that have come out, he wouldn't break character. He
would always wear the helmet. It was always about I'm
going to give you the best possible product that I can.
I really want this to be successful. And in the
interviews he's done. Since there's always been the rumored is
Amazon going to do a Dread TV show? I know
again recently those rumors are popped up again. It's not

(40:12):
going to happen, which was really depressing. But this became
the iconic portrayal of Dread. Yet this movie bombed, and
it is a tragedy because it has the action. It's
got the actors in it to make it really solid.
It's got great direction, set design like it looks the part,

(40:37):
and they've even redone a lot of how Megacity one looks,
because it's clearly like somewhere in South Africa, but they
you know, cg it up and whatever. The law Master
has been redesigned, which is Dread's iconic motorcycle. The armor
now looks practical, like he could actually stop a bullet,
which is great. The Lawgiver's been redesigned, so it's a

(40:59):
practical firing weapon that could exist. I've seen people. Actually,
I actually know a guy. He's a very well known streamer.
I'm not gonna say who he is, but has a
very good Dread cost play, like professional level costplay.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Well, the the Loggivers just a glock seventeen, that's.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
What I thought. I thought it was like a seventeen
or maybe an a like eighteen. I think the original
one was like a sig or something. But yeah, like
it looks great, and so much of this works because
it's not about ego. It's about telling an industring story,
which is basically two people versus the world. More or less.

(41:39):
It's basically The Raid, but with Judge Dread characters. And
that's I'm in. I'm really in.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
And Mama and drugs and yeah god.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
And you know, there's one one interchange at the end
of the movie that sums up the plot. It's such
a simple plot. One judge says, what happened in there?
Judge dread says, drug bust looks like you've been through it.
Perps were uncooperative, and he just walks away.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
That's the movie.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
You don't need anything more because this is Aaron giving
a clap to this movie.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I don't know why robo cop.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
He's basically RoboCop but fully human.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
But yeah, I love almost every single aspect of this movie,
like some of the slow mo okay, but like I
love the set design. I love the costume design. Carl
Urban is a treasure in this movie. I love the
shots of the Megacity. Even though they don't look like

(42:41):
the comic book, it doesn't matter. It gives you the
feel of what the comic book should be.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, in real life, his line delivery, you know, I'll
take his I'm the Law over over Sloan's meme worthy
version any day.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Right, Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Love Everybody was expecting like he's gonna go No, he
wasn't gonna do that. When he delivers it, it was.
It gave chills. Yeah, you know what I mean, You're
not the law. I'm the law. The other whoa Okay.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
The other thing that that was in this movie is
like all the all the guns. See I'm talking to
Mike here because I'm sure Mike was looking at all
the guns. Yeah, the guns are interesting because they're very
close to well they're almost all real life guns. And
one actually kind of shocked me on my rewatch because
I swore that it was a Walter P. Thirty eight

(43:36):
from World War Two.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
No one's firing fucking megatron people.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Well yeah it's it will go go and see if
you can find it. It is in this movie, but
it's actually like a nineteen sixties copy of it where
they switched out the frame so it wasn't like steel.
It was an aluminum frame now, but it looks exactly
like an old World War two Walter p. P.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
But the point is is that, like, the guns look
look real even though they're advanced.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
But that's okay. This is supposed to be the future.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
And I'll take this minigun sequence over the original, like
the Judge Dread ninety five block war scene any day
of the week.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. Well everything here has weight
to it. Every bullet you feel it like they fire.
It's like, oh man, like there is a consequence for
every action. There's not a wasted bullet, whereas it.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Felt everything pee off everything exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
This, You've got all that there. You know, they work
in the whole psychic aspect. There's there's just you feel
the claustrophobia. You're claustrophobic, but at the same time it's
such a giant building, but it can still feel closed in. Yeah.
So it's just it's so well put together. Fun fact,

(45:03):
when this movie came out, you know, I recognized the actor.
I recognized Urban right because and right around this time
is when he started doing you know, he was in
the Star Trek stuff and all that. But in my head,
whenever I saw his name, I was like the singer.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I thought they were the same person, you know, I
was like, oh, very different people.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Yeah. Like, there's just so much about Dread twenty twelve
that works like it's delivered very passionately, very earnestly. Lena Headley,
she was doing Game of Thrones. This was different than
her character on there whose name I can't even remember anymore. Circe, Circe.

(45:52):
This was different, This was vicious. There's one line where
someone says, oh, yeah, so she used to be a
prostitute and then she feminized them with her teeth and
I'm thinking boy, and again.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
One thing that too, yeah to what Aaron had said. Sorry,
the there is humor here, but the humor is subtle, dark,
and HiT's different.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You know, if you do find something funny in here,
you know it was there on purpose. It's not an
accidental laugh or an accidental chuckle or a smile. It's there.
But everything in this if you feel you feel kind
of gross that you're like, oh, man, this world is
the way it is, and it's just it's, oh, it's
messed up. Even the portrayals of like how the drug

(46:41):
addicts are the hacker, you know, the nerdy hacker dude,
they're like, it's not just a case of oh, he's
used and then killed off, it's he experiences the horror
of what he's done or what he's been forced to
do working for them.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Like his reaction to you know, all the death and
all the horrible things around him that he's being forced
to do, you know, basically being run by these drug lords. Right,
So there is a weight and you feel the emotions
of everything here, and then there will be like a
moment or two of where you have a bit of
a grin of like dark humor involved.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Yeah. Like one thing that I really appreciate about this
is one thing that isn't really hinted about outside well
kind of yes and no. In Judge Dread in the
ninety five version, they run into the Angel Clan, which
is a family of mutants from the Cursed Earth. In
Judge Dread, mutants are very much a part of the population,

(47:43):
but they're not always looking like Junior. They're all weird
and fucked up. Some mutants have psychic abilities. In the
role playing games, for example, there's been multiply there's been
like four of them. They outline mutants like people who
have psychic abilities, people who may be able to spit
toxic stuff, unusual abilities, not quite like the X Men
level of exceptional power, but strange stuff like that. So

(48:06):
I was really happy for that. Also, robots are very
common in Judge Dread. They have sentience, they have rights.
There are literal furries like anthropomorphic animals. There's like even
characters that are like animals. I think even some animals
have become judges in the commics. I'm not one hundred
percent sure, but it's an interesting world, and here they

(48:26):
give you just enough of the wider sense of the
world of dread like Hell. There's even a sign. There's
even a sign. I think it's a reference to the
fatties that I mentioned before. There's the bigger gentleman in
the apartment eating and I'm like, okay, that's probably a
subtle nod to it. But even looking at some of
the graffiti, some of the stuff in the shops. When
you get to Control, which is where the judges operate

(48:48):
out of the Hall of Justice, there's all this stuff
going on on the little screens, and again I'm looking
through it looking saying, okay, what Easter eggs can I find?
There's a lot of love and medication put here, but
it just it adds to the atmosphere because now movies
were starting. When it comes to Easter Eggs, I feel

(49:08):
like things were starting, like if they're there, they're there
for love purposes. Because I think Marvel Again really changed
how a lot of that worked. If it came to
like really nerdy shit. And this clearly worked. And I
know when they were talking about the sequel, and I'm
glad because there was talk about it for a while.
Obviously it didn't happen, but they were talk about adapting

(49:31):
some of the later storylines that they want to do
Judge Death, which I think would be a terrible fucking
idea considering how grounded this movie feels compared to the
ninety five one. Could you do Judge Death in ninety
five maybe?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And you know what, you know, how corporate things are
getting there and how everybody wants to milk everything. Somebody's
going to invest money, and they're gonna say, we're gonna
do a sequel, but we're gonna do a multiverse and
it's good be both dreads. We're gonna have an old
man Stallone working with Urban and they're gonna have to
culture clash and they're gonna be trying to arrest each other,

(50:10):
and everybody is gonna it's gonna make no money and
they're gonna scratch their heads and say, well, I guess
it's not a popular property.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Yeah, And it's kind of terrifying because one thing I'm actually,
really really glad you mentioned old Man Dread because one
thing in the comics from two thousand and AD that
I know they do, Judge dread age is in real time.
So he started out in like the seventies, Aaron right,
seventies or early eighties, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, So

(50:40):
now he's aged considerably and he's had genetic re enhancement.
I think he's even had like a clone body or
something like that. But Judge Dread knows he's not gonna
be around forever. So and they even touch upon the
multiverse because I mentioned Judge Death. Judge Death is from
a different world where law is interpreted different and evidently

(51:01):
the ultimate crime is life, because if you are alive,
you can commit crimes, and well, if you're dead you can't.
So it's an interesting concept, but it doesn't work in
the world of Dread twenty twelve because it is so ground.
Could you introduce the more fantastical elements, obviously with Judge
Anderson with her being psychic, yes. Could you get away

(51:21):
with an anthropomorphic gorilla, probably not. Could you get away
with the cyborg as you mentioned, the nerdy hacker with
his like Jordi LaForge eyes yes, you could absolutely do that,
and then you could work up to the weirder stuff
like maybe they go to Luna one, they go up
to the Mars Colony, or they do something in the
Cursed Earth. There are possibilities there, and Dread lays a

(51:45):
fine foundation, but it's wonderful in the regards that it
does work as a standalone. This is my statement on
the Dread universe. If it gets sequalized, it doesn't matter
because it doesn't need to exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And twenty and eighty has had you know, I think
annual crossovers with their comics for decades now. Oh yeah,
but I do think I don't know if it was
going to be connected, but I do believe at one point,
and it might still be in pre production, they were
trying to do Rogue Trooper, which was one of the

(52:20):
other few that I think made it somewhat like Dread
is the biggest comic to come from them from that
that that publication here, but I believe Rogue Trooper was
like number two as far as popularity. Yeah, so, you know,
I mean we could we still could see that, and
I think the time has passed for crossovers. I think

(52:42):
we're Yeah, and for multiverses, I think I think Deadpool Wolverine,
you know, put a pin in that. It's like we're done.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yeah, because like, if you're gonna do it, you have
to do it right. And Judge Dredd has crossed over,
He's been with Batman, he's been with Spawn, he fought
Zeno Morphs. There's been all sorts of crazy crossovers, and
they're done interesting. Hell, Like, one of the weirdest crossovers
I ever saw was Aliens, Terminator and Predator all in

(53:15):
the same universe.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
And anything in the nineties that Archie Comics had.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yeah, I actually read Archie versus The Punisher. I've read
Archie versus The Predator, and I know at some point
this year Predator kills the Marvel universe. So there's weird
stuff going on with Dredd. You I'm trying to think
if there's any character i'd like to see him crossover
that he hasn't crossed over with. Yeah, there's nobody in

(53:44):
Marvel like outside of maybe The Punisher, and I want
to say even they've had a team up at one point,
but I don't know. But I said, I definitely remember
Batman and Judge Dredd where they go after Judge death
and the Joker and all this crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
And like, you know, for anybody listening, we haven't gone
into the plot because Aaron basically summed it.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Up with the.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Drug bust gone bad with with lots of explosions, cool
special effects. Uh, the idea of we should maybe touch
a point on on slow mo like the actual the
actual drug is neat in that it like they did
a really good job of visualizing the effect that it

(54:28):
would have. Usually, when you see in movies, you're like,
you know, think about a movie where for the last
fifty years, anytime somebody spokes pot, what do they do?
They give it funny colors, even even though that's not
what happens. You know, the closest thing you see in
a movie with somebody spokes pot, if it's actually realistic,
is you might see sort of like a tunnel effect
where you have like wavy lines or or the time

(54:49):
feels weird, time time feels weird, or maybe the the
they'll blur the outside edges of the of the vision
of the screen and maybe make a pulsate a little bit,
and like that's where what happens. But in this the
visualization of slow mo. Realizing that and and poetically how
they kill people is there they it slows time within

(55:13):
the person's perception down while giving you the stealing of euphoria.
And I just love the idea that what's taking one
second to kill the bad guy, they're they're living through
like maybe an hour of agony in their own head,
which is like whoa, oh.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Yeah, Like when you talk about like kind of slow
mat visually, I think they say in the movie you
perceive time at zero point one percent of how the
brain fires. You're perceiving it in that really unusual time.
Like there's a drug bust where Anderson and Dread kicked
down a drug dead everybody's dead in like ten seconds,

(55:53):
whereas the two drug addicts are watching this far far.
They're watching the explosive rip from the breech charge throw
a guy across the room. They're shooting a guy in
the face, watching the bullet impact and the ripple of
the bullet's kinetic energy ripple across the flesh. That's intense.
And obviously Mama commands her clan to skin three guys,

(56:16):
give them a hit of SloMo, and then throw them
off a two hundred story apartment building and then they
feel everything on.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
A long that's a long fall when you're doing it
less than one percent of the speed of what's actually
happening in your head.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
The idea with SloMo is if you're having a good time,
you're having a great time. If you're having a bad time,
it's an eternity.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Yeah, Like it's really sadistic. I was actually when I
was watching it today, I was thinking I could see
why this drug would would be so abused. I mean, imagine,
you know, this mixed with you know, Mama's former profession
as a prostitute, right.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Right, yeah, well, well also they'll think about the use
of how they could cut it, right, they could go, okay, well,
let's say opioids, right, as an examples, you know, a
real world issue. Well, what if you could take a
fraction of the opioid where you know, you don't have

(57:23):
to worry about overdosing, you don't to do anything that
you're taking something that maybe now has a half life
of ten minutes instead of hours and potentially having problems
with your respiratory What if you cut it with slow
mo even though you're you know, the actual effect on
the body is a short period of time. You could

(57:44):
maybe experience euphoria for twelve hours in your own head. Well,
then think about how you're going to price that. They're
going to want that hit even more because it'll feel
like twelve hours it's over, and then you go, oh, wait,
I still have the pain because it hasn't act actually
dulled it for more than like ten minutes. So you
could see why it's become an epidemic because you know,

(58:07):
a real proper you know drug or or or you
know medication that is supposed to help you. It will
help you over a long period of time. But these
drug dealers what they want is they want it to
be super crazy effective for as short a period as possible. Yeah,
and that's that's what That's what SloMo is, right, mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Like it's it's neat, it looks cool. I even want
to say, they use a different type of camera at
a film it where it's something like four thousand frames
a second. It's something ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
They put some sort of like skin elating polarization on
it as well.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah they listen, Yeah, they color shifted it. They did
at they did one of those fast cameras. They they
also like did a really good job of making the
visual tell the audience how you would probably feel taking it.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Yeah, and even like sound kind of slows down to
like again, it's a really neat visual and audio effect
and probably one of the most effective uses I've ever
seen of a drug in a movie. It's it's really
really cool.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I have one question for you, guys. I was trying
to figure it out as I was watching it. Does
he use every type of bullet and mode that the
gun can do?

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I was okay, I was gonna say, I wasn't sure
if he actually showed off everything that was supposed to be.
So it is, I guess comic accurate to like show
off everything it could do, because I wasn't sure if
you know, everything was able to make it into the movie,
or if there were anything. Is there any notes that
you guys know of from the you know, being the
gun the gun guys, if you know anything about them
that I like.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
The fact he actually makes reloads a real issue when
they get locked in. He says to Anderson, we need
we need to conserve Ammo because the lawgivers can only
hold like twenty twenty five rounds at most, and there's
the specialty AMO as well. It isn't until the Evil

(01:00:05):
Judges show up do they get any extra mags because
they take them off the bodies of the dead Judges.
One thing I really like about that particular fight scene
when he's fighting the Evil Judges is Dred gets hurt, Like,
not Sylvester Stallone, who I have a few cuts and bruises. No,
he gets shot and he has to use biofoam, which

(01:00:26):
is something I first saw this in Halo odst but
I'm sure it's in other science fiction properties as well.
Where he seals his wound, He's like, this is gonna
be enough to let me limp to the hospital, but
I'm not one hundred percent combat effective, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Like cauterize the wound and stop the bleeding.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Yeah yeah, basically, like make sure the cavity doesn't fill
with blood so I don't bleed out or whatever. That's
really cool. And again making sure all the AMMO types
are used. They're not just firing off ten thousand rounds
for the sake of funsies. Ammo's a real concern and
they really like when they pick up their like logivers,

(01:01:06):
it checks the DNA on them. They use that to
great effect in this as well. It's just it's really
well done. Like I have no notes in this other
than I wish I got more of this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Well, I mean the movie, like you said, it's you know,
a drug bust gone wrong. But it's also it's really
just like a driver's ED test, Yeah, pass or fail? Right,
like this this is supposed to be a run of
the mill. You know, I'm taking I'm taking you out
on a ride along. This is like a halfway between
a ride along a driver's ED test, and you know,

(01:01:43):
just to see how you react in the world. And
you know, at the end, you know it's just pass
or fail. That's that's because it brings you back to
let you know, like, well, that's right. This movie didn't
start out like this. This was supposed to be a
nothing day.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Yeah, like it's just day in the life of And
as the movie ends, the one of the judges comes
up the dread and goes, well is she a pass?
And she's already handed in her badge, realizing I don't
know how I want to do this anymore. But she
becomes a very important character in the comics later, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
He lost her helmet. You know, if you lost her
her helmet and lost your gun, that's automatic fail, right
if you do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
And incorrect sentencing too, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Yeah, So she failed multiple times, but dread saw she
has what it takes, she has the grit to do it,
and he looks at her goes she's a pass. And
that's also his character.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I was gonna say, does that show that he has
has you know, strayed from his sternness or was that
always the intent? Right? So?

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I think that was always his intent, because I mean,
he he he's very strict, but he also knows that
you have to be able to to shift and sway well,
you know, in the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
And without and without saying anything to you know, he
doesn't know who else in the department is corrupt. He
has to assume that it could be anybody at this
point when he sees this many and he'll see here
and be like, well, this one's not a bad egg.
This one I know I can trust, yeah, you know,
to basically uphold the law, whereas everybody else he doesn't

(01:03:27):
know any anybody else he could be talking to could
be corrupt at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, And I think in the comics. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
It's pretty sure it's Judge Anderson. They become very very
good friends, and I think Anderson becomes the Chief Justice
at the at the end of one of the runs
of the comics. So again, it looks great. I really
like the actress they picked. I think her name is
Olivia Philby or something like that. She's cute but whatever.

(01:03:55):
But watching her through this, I was kind of thinking,
I'm probably all alone in this. If you gave her
red hair and a little bit of more hands on
firearms training, give her a couple of years, I wouldn't
mind seeing her as a live action commander Shepherd.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Uh personally, I thought you were gonna say black widow.
I'm like, she's oh no, but yeah to actually, I
mean but every time every time you mentioned, you know,
mass Effect movie, I get worried about what's going to
happen with it. But we'll see. I could totally see that.
I think the casting was good, mostly unknowns. I think
outside of you know, Lena Hettie was was big already

(01:04:36):
at this point with Game of Thrones and Terminator. Oh
that's right, because I think the show had just counted
right yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Underrated show in my opinion same, Yes, I love.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
That, yeah, with one of the one of the worst
cliffhanger endings ever. Oh yeah, but yeah, I would say
good casting. I think this is one of the few
cases where even though the movie wasn't successful initially, word
of mouth spread and I think it made its money

(01:05:09):
in the rental like in the latter era of the
dying blockbuster days. But as far as when blu rays
were still really popular with the mainstream to purchase, I
remember this being sold like at every store. It was
always a pretty big seller for like the last ten years.
Both the three D version it was it was sort
of a featured showcase for people that had three D

(01:05:30):
television sets that you know, the few people that did.
And as far as like the regular edition, I think
this is kind of like in the last ten to
fifteen years, been one of the go tos when somebody's like,
you know, I want to watch an action movie, but
I don't want to watch like an old quotes one,
especially with like the younger generation. This is one of
the ones that holds up better than a lot of

(01:05:52):
the action stuff today. You could put this in a
double feature with like any of the John Wick movies
and it fits right in now. It doesn't matter that
it was thirteen years years ago. It it's almost like
it was a little ahead of its time in the
way it was shot. And also big praise. I'll say
this is my final thought on the film. It was
in the middle, maybe to the latter end, but in

(01:06:13):
the middle of the era of the stupid close up,
shaky cam and this didn't have it. This showed us everything.
Mm hmm, so made me happy. What are your final thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Arin? I, I love the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
I I have very little that I can criticize it for.
Like I said, everything that is set up in the
movie pays off, often multiple times when just when you
think like it's it's done, No, it's coming back and
it's even cooler than before. The acting is great, the

(01:06:51):
pacing is great, the visuals are great. Carl Urban is
a treasure. As I said earlier, I don't know, I
wore out one Blu ray watching this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
And you know how rare that is. They're pretty resilient.
They're more resilient than DVDs. That means you watched it
a fair bit like when I had it too. It
was one of the first I had one of the
first blue rays that I got that I was consistently
pulling out for friends and family that hadn't seen it,
because again, it was really wasn't seen by very many

(01:07:25):
people in theaters. It wasn't notorious for being a flop.
It was one of those movies that just came out
and nobody watched. But it wasn't so like, you know,
this isn't a Borderlands movie, right where it's so bad
that that becomes the narrative. It was like, no, this
was one of those great movies that nobody watched.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Yeah. Like, for my final thoughts on this, it is
actually one of my comfort movies this Aliens and RoboCop.
Dread is a movie I watched a lot when I
was in the hospital when I had my amputation. But
it's also a movie that I go back and watch
when I'm like, this is something that was made with love.
This is something where I am absorbed into the world

(01:08:08):
and for that hour and forty minutes or however long
it is, I'm there with Anderson, I'm there with Dread,
and it is really absorbing, and there are very few
movies that really do that to me. That's Transformers nineteen
eighty six. That is RoboCop, that's Aliens. Maybe the fifth

(01:08:28):
elment might be another one that's a comfort movie for me,
and Dread does everything it possibly can. Would I like
to see a sequel at some point, yes, But if
this is the only time I get to visit Megacity
one with the way it feels, then I'm okay. I've
got the role playing games for this, I've got the comics,
I've got multiple video games. Maybe we'll get our own

(01:08:51):
version of Judge Dread Rogue City or something like that.
It'd be great to see a good Judge Dread video game.
The ones we have gotten I've been pretty arable, and
as of right now, no one has the license for
the Judge Jed role playing game. It used to belong
to Rebellion under em Publishing, which is the Wine system.
What's old is new again, and it wasn't a bad system.

(01:09:12):
But if you can find this game, go out there
and look, there was like a game's Workshop one, there
was Mongoose publising. It's a worthwhile property to really look into.
In two thousand and eight is a very strange world,
but it's very very good. So guys, that's gonna do
it for this edition of a Future Imperfect as you might,
as we might say, you have been judged. What's gonna

(01:09:32):
come up next on the show. We're not entirely sure yet,
but we will be sure to advertise it on our socials.
Be sure to check us out on Blue Sky, where
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just kind of the way it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
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you want to call it, just because it's another place
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this week and geek all those fun things. But yeah,
generally for the most part, we're on Blue Sky.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Now exactly all right, guys, so for this week and
for this week and geek from the Cursed Earth, we
have been.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I'm Mary producer, both of us, yeah, both of you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
First from the Megacity block of Kitchener likes the producer
and from that's right, guys, the Hall of Justice in
gwelfh ha, I have been Mike the byrdman, saying you have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Been judged Anderson, your assessment's now over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
When I heard you call it into ten twenty four,
I thought I'd better check it out. It seems like
force the rookie on you. So what happened in there,
Doug bust looks like you've been through it. Perhaps were cooperative.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
So how does she do?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
She had passed or failed?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
She's a pass I knew she would be.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
One shall stand, one shall fall?

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Why throw away your life so recklessly?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
That's a question you should ask yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Megatron.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
We came, we saw, we kicked it there. That's right,
just to be money.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Why did you man?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Game over? Man game over?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You don't understand? I do? I understood that reference.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Mission successful shutting down.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
You know I never understood, though. Why did you touch me?
Why did you touch me? You kill the disappeared means
to an end.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
You started a massing. I caused the revelus.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
You betrayed the law

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