Loose Cannon - Halloween 2025 Week 1 - Night Of The Living Dead 1968 & 1990 Discussion! - ThisWeekInGeek

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yum, yum. It's time for a tasty and refreshing snack.
You know what I can do with that?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I can do without the people in the video store,
which ones all of them. They never rent quality flexed.
They always pick the most intellectually devoid movie on the racks.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And now on with the show Night of Total Terror,
Night of the Living Dead.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
The dead who live on living flesh, not dead who
haunted souls hunt the living the living goose bodies are
the only food bodies. Un goodly creature.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
They came to pay their respects coming to get you, Barbara.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Why do you have to be so cool?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
What show some respect?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now? They're running for their lives.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
I mean all just in Stockton, California have released reports
focusing on the phenomenon, specifically on that trance like state.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Every shelter.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Is becoming a trap.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Are you sure we're gonna be all right.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Over?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
You're gonna help me out? And every road out don't
stop no matter what happens, is just another dead end.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
They're coming right for us.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Hey, guys, what's going on? You are listening to this
weekend geek dot Net. I'm your host, Mike the Birdman
and Will it's the first week of October and that
means spooky shit here on this week in geek Net
and over the next month, you're gonna get Halloween theme
shows for pretty much every podcast we can possibly produce,

(02:14):
because a it's topical. Two it's fun. And I know
Alex is kind of a scaredy cat when it comes
to certain things, so let's fuck with him. So yes,
I am Mike the Birdman. I'm joined by as you
can hear from the lovely city of Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
Alex is the producer, and of course from the spooky

(02:35):
lands of Lansing, Michigan.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, we're we're scary down here. I'm Aaron Pollier.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Oh, yes, guys, we are here on Loose Cannon. This
is the show where we talk about movies of all
sorts of types. Normally it's me Dave Ken could also
be Adam. It doesn't matter who's on the show. We
all love movies. And in this kind of themed month
of the show, like I said, we're gonna talk about
all things spooky and weird. And Aaron had tossed this

(03:01):
suggestion out to us a little while ago, saying, hey, guys,
have we ever talked about the Knight of the Living Dead.
I'm like, yeah, we have, but not the three of us.
And he pitched a really cool idea. And I really
like this because these are two of my favorite movies
of all time. We're gonna talk about the original Night
of the Living Dead from nineteen sixty eight, but we're
also going to talk about the lesser known remake from

(03:22):
nineteen ninety that Tom Savini did and also had George
Romero's blessing. He wrote it and everything, but it's a
movie that's not exactly remembered by a lot of people,
despite I think it being the superior version of Night
of the Living Dead person and I know that might
be sacrilege to some, but go watch it. It's a

(03:43):
lot of fun. So I guess let's kind of start
out this conversation. Sorry my footspodden audio gear. Here we go.
So we often talk about where we first discovered these movies,
and I'll go first to give you guys kind of
a little bit of time to prep We'll start with
i'd Living Dead in nineteen sixty eight. So this one
I actually remember Crystal Clear because it came to me

(04:05):
in the most bizarre set of circumstances that I think
I can remember. So I used to live down the
street from Marshall mccluan's kid, and he had a kid
named Michael, and he had some sons, and I used
to hang out with those kids when I was kind
of growing up. So I remember they had a really
nice and really big, spooky house. But I used to

(04:27):
go over there and I was that weird neighborhood kid
who would wait for the kids to wake up so
we could go play like Power Rangers or Ninja Turtles
or whatever. And I remember one morning I came over
there on a Sunday, really really early, and their sons
had slept in and Michael's like, well, they're going to
be up soon anyway, why don't you just kind of
hang out, Mike and just do your own thing. I

(04:48):
know you're not going to do anything weird. Okay, Fine,
So they sit me down front of this giant ass
TV and our local library in Owen Sound would rent
VHS tapes, and I remember this one was just in
the VCR and it was the original Night of the
Living Dead from nineteen sixty eight, and I must have
been I want to say, I was less than ten,

(05:13):
but older than seven, so somewhere in that range. I
was just young enough. I'd seen a couple of horror movies.
They were still scary to me. But I remember seeing
this movie and it really really catching me. And it
was my first black and white movie I'd ever seen
in my entire life, because most of the movies I'd
seen at that time had been on VHS or they'd

(05:34):
been on television or whatever. I'd never seen a black
and white movie before, so this was a whole new
experience to me. And I'd never knew they made black
and white horror movies.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
So I'm watching this and the suns come down the stairs, like, hey, Mikey,
do you want to go play it? That's what they
used to call me, Mikey, and fuck I hated that.
But we sat there and we watched this movie and
it was just so in rawling to me, like I'd
never seen zombies done like this. Because about at that time,

(06:05):
I remember seeing bits of Return of the Living Dead
done by Dan O'Bannon And I can't remember the name
of Romera's partner who worked with him on those movies.
It'll come to me, I'm sure, but you know, I'd
seen the tar Man. I'd seen Trash be ripped apart
by zombies and then come back as a naked Barbie zombie.

(06:27):
There's a story about that too, and I was like, Wow,
this is different, so strange, so intense. And then as
high school would go on, I remember this super super clear.
It was Boxing Day and there are local Music World,
which Alex probably remembers. Maybe were you an h MB kid?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
I was Sam Recommand in music World.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay, so the one by my house in Owen Sound
had a sale going on on Boxing Day, and I
remember they had all the Dead movies on sale. So
I got the original nineteen sixty eight movie in this
really cool silver clamshell case. I think at that time
it was like the thirtieth anniversary or something. And there

(07:12):
was a double pack which had two cuts of Down
of the Dead, and I'd never seen this two pack
anywhere since, and there was Day of the Dead, which
I didn't know there was a sequel to Down either.
I was like, Oh my god, this is so fucking cool.
So I got into it and I literally became a
Romero zombie super fan for years. And then one final

(07:33):
memory I'll share is when I was a kid. Probably
after I'd seen Night for Sure, I found a book
in my local elementary school of library and it was
literally a book about special effects. And there was a
little part in it that featured Dawn of the Dead
with the bluish gray zombies and there's a stunt that

(07:55):
they do in that movie where Tom Savini's character Blade
takes his machete cuts into the zombies's head, the most
famous scene in that movie where he's like, say good night,
creep and he kills the zombie like that. And the
book explained how that special effect was done, and I
was like, wow, I didn't know they made movies like this,

(08:15):
This is so weird in the seventies. And again just
blew my little child mind at that time. So that's
how I fell into the Dead franchise. So I guess
I'm gonna go to Aaron this time. How did you
discover the Night of the Living Dead franchise?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I I don't think I remember a time where I
didn't know it for some reason, and it's mainly because
watching WGN out of Chicago growing up, like Saturday morning, well,
Saturday afternoon, like Spengouli type shows where they would show
these movies, and yeah, they were edited for television, so

(08:53):
you wouldn't gets as much though, like the original Lend
of the Living Dead wasn't you know, didn't really have
that much in it that would have had to be edited.
But yeah, I always remember the black and white version
at the very least. And I've been generally a fan,
though most zombie movies kind of disappoint me outside of

(09:16):
like the Living Dead franchise, and even then, you know,
I still am pretty choosy. But you know, I've been
a fan of Night of the Living Dead for forever,
and Darlene and I have even gone to Evans City
on a trip and stopped at some of the filming locations. Yeah,

(09:37):
we've even done a review of the original, at least
for Earth Versus Soup. I think it was episode sixty five.
Oh wow, so that it's a little while ago that
we did our review. But yeah, I've always note about
it in some way, shape or form. And yeah, that's
that's where I should I should end it. Otherwise I'll babble.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Fantastic Alex were to finish out with you, what about you,
my friend?

Speaker 6 (10:02):
I think I knew of the movie and the franchise
before seeing them through other media, either parodying it, Like
I think my first experience with Night of the Living
Dead was the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode Zombie Flanders. Yeah, yeah,
your brains. I trying to think back. I think the

(10:25):
first time I saw any bits of the movie was
on TVO, like public access or public funded television. They
would air stuff. I think it was Saturday Night at
the movies because I know they l wee Jos used
to do a lot of these movies that were because
I think this isn't the public domain because they didn't Yeah,

(10:46):
they didn't file the copyright properly or something, right, So
I tend to remember this showing on there as well
as like on a whole bunch of UAHF channels and
like anywhere that was like an independent station when that
still a thing. They would show this and then other
movies like randomly, and like Aaron said, it's not that
there's really anything too egregious and that they couldn't air

(11:08):
pretty much at any time of the day for the
most part, right, Like you know, so you know, put
up a little bumper saying that it's you know, maybe
there's thematic elements. But I think the first time I
ever watched the movie in its entirety, I picked up
a VHS from I think it was front Row Features,
one of those companies that just pumped out all of

(11:30):
those public domain copies of like third or fourth generation releases.
I think I got a VHS in SLP mode, so
it weighed like a feather and in a bin at
a Walco which became a Walmart for like a dollar.
And when I was like eight or nine, I think

(11:51):
around the same age as you, Michael, and I was like, wait,
a movie for a dollar. I've heard of this movie.
I think I've seen bits and pieces of this movie.
So that's that's what I watched it. And as far
as the remake, I until probably into my early twenties,
didn't know it existed. Whenever I saw the cover, I

(12:13):
thought that was just literally like a re release of
the original movie cleaned up. I never took like the
time to look at the back of the cover to
see that it was a completely different movie. I just
always thought it was the same movie. So I didn't
see that until I think shortly after the Dawn of

(12:34):
the Dead remake came out. Saw that in theaters thought
it was cool, especially the first part. The first act
is good, oh, the rest the rest is like it
becomes sort of what you'd expect.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
But I think we agree on that that that the
Dawn of the Dead remake that, like the pre credit
sequence is some of the most solid horror movie action
I think any zombie movie has ever had. And then
after that it sort of slowly drifts downhill. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, so like that that's what got me hooked. And
I went back and I went and watched the Dawn
of the Dead original and US and then I was like, wait,
so it's a remix, And watching it, I was like,
is this shot for shot? And then you realize it's not,
but it is, and it isn't. It's a reinterpretation of
the original. And that was, you know, my experience. I

(13:29):
went a long time not realizing that it was a
separate movie.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I have a story about the remake though, of the
nineteen ninety remake, So I'm in high school at this time,
like it had already been released, but since it didn't
really do a whole lot in the theaters, you know,
it came out in like HBr or whatever. And then
I think I rented it one time just because you know,

(13:56):
it was my friends and I just watching weird horror movies. Yeah,
so I know the movie fairly well by the time,
I don't know, maybe nineteen ninety four ish comes around,
and at that point I'm going to Doctor Who conventions
with my friends in Chicago. And at one of these
Doctor Who conventions, it's not just Doctor Who actors or

(14:19):
actresses that end up being there, it's other from other
sci fi franchises. So at this one event, God Jerry
Ryan was there as an example, OK, and she was great.
But Patricia Tallman was there at this event, and she
was there because she was on Babylon five and she
was autographing a ton of Babylon five stuff, and I

(14:43):
was like, holy crap, wait a second. I see that
she has like one thing out from the Night of
the Living Dead nineteen ninety, like one picture to buy,
and I got in line. I was gonna buy this picture.
I came up and I bought the picture for her
to and I said, I loved you and I did
The Living Dead nineteen ninety And she says, you're the

(15:05):
first person at this convention that has actually even brought
it up. And I'm like, you were really good in it,
and she she looked at me and said, they're just
so slow. We can walk right past them. We wouldn't
even have to run. And I was awesome. But anyway, Yeah,
I met Patricia Tolman, and I guess I made her
day just referencing a weird obscure movie she was in.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
It's it's a much more varied role compared to what
she did in Babylon, which is for another day discussion. Yeah,
but yeah, like that's that's awesome. I feel like there's
a void between like nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety
four where there's a lot of horror movies that I

(15:46):
think people forget exist.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, Like I remember when I first discovered Night ninety
I actually remember then. This again is super clear. So
my parents had this giant fuck off satellite dish in
our backyard, Like literally, this thing was like ten to
fifty fifteen feet across, and we used to have transponder channels.
We knew the cable guy. We just called it I

(16:09):
think his name was Frank. And Frank came over to
our place and he did the programming in the box.
We could pick up all the transponder channels. Little me
discovered the Playboy channel, probably a little too young, but.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
As did most people with satellite dishes.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
But I remember we found either HBO or Showtime. It
was one of the other. And for some reason this
movie was played constantly. Maybe this was even one of
the pay per view channels. What's kind of showing this?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know?

Speaker 6 (16:39):
You know why it's played constantly? Michael storied in Trump
it's an hour and twenty eight minutes long. Yeah, it's
exactly within a ninety minute time slot. Nope, it's needed
on HBO.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
And it was just one of those movies I saw
a shit ton but it really got me in cause
it was one of the first movies I can clearly
remember where it had a black the late and amazing
Tony Todd. This is the first role I ever saw
Patricia Tallman into. Actually, funny side note, one of the
people I used to work with once upon a time

(17:10):
they used to present me, also represented Patricia Tallman for
a while. We shared the same person who did a
little bit of pr but I never had a chance
to cross paths with her, and I always wanted to
talk to her about this movie. But yeah, I remember
seeing this movie constantly for like the summer after the
movie came out, because in theaters this movie didn't do well,

(17:32):
but it came out during a really hard hitting summer
or like fall of like really big horror releases. And
then the nineties for zombie movies, you did have Return
of the Living Dead three, which came out a couple
of years later with Melinda Clark, who would go on
to Layer, to Star and Spawn and she'd do like
a lot of TV and stuff like that. But Romero,

(17:54):
for example, wouldn't come back to the zombie genre until
Land of the Dead and I want to see around
two thousand and four, War, I want to say, And
then there was Sean of the Dead, reinvigorated the zombie genre.
Then we had a Diary the Dead, then later on Survival,
which was George's last film, and the zombie genre obviously
got super hot again with The Walking Dead when that

(18:15):
came out. And I want to say, twenty eleven, and
it's been a very strange trip down this like the
thing that I really liked about sixty eight Again, I'd
never seen a black lead in an actor at that time,
being so young, and I'd never seen a movie that
where it wasn't all actually like Rudy two D point

(18:35):
and Shooty. It was a story about people that just
happened to have zombies in it. And as you alluded
to earlier talking about the kind of copyright, there's obviously
the very famous story how when the movie was sent
to the copyright house and sent out to the distributor,
they had the name wrong on It was supposed to
be like Night of the Flesh Eaters or Night of
the Ghouls or something, and then it got changed. And

(18:57):
then this movie entered the public domain. And as Aaron
had mentioned, like he saw it on like a Svengooli thing.
Almost like every single horror host, it's almost like a
rite of passage. You have to do a Night of
the Living Dead thing, because again it's in public domain.
You could literally throw this thing up on YouTube right
now and they can't ding you for it. You don't
have to do anything transformative to it. I just watched

(19:18):
like a five hour retrospective of this series on YouTube
in preparation for the show. You might say, I really
like these movies, and hell, I think Alex you and
I chatted with James rawlf A couple of years ago
about these and it's always interesting looking through the lens
of the social commentary that Romero offers, through the lens

(19:40):
of current times which we live in interesting ones, to
say the very least. And you just look at, you know,
how do people deal with the world falling apart around them?
And you see a strong character in Ben trying to
do the right thing, but eventually him getting into it
with Cooper and Barbara in the original Turning Cata Tonic.

(20:03):
But then you see the nineties. Look how strong Patricia
Talman is. She's a leader. She starts thinking fast. He's like,
I can't run in my stockings, but I can run
in boots. I can take off my skirt and I
can put on these pants. And again they're so slow,
we can walk right past them. She starts strategizing, whereas
Ben's a little more like, I don't know, maybe we

(20:24):
should defend this, defend this place. But then the zombies
just keep coming. And eventually there's a moment in ninety
which I really like. Cooper goes upstairs to grab a
television because he's hearing one of these radio broadcasts and
they're talking about it could be voodoo or zombies from space,

(20:45):
and he's bringing the TV downstairs and Ben just freaks
out at him. He's like, you're taking that downstairs. He's like, no,
I'm not. Nobody's listening to each other. So they're in
this tense situation. They're right at each other's throat and
the TV falls and breaks, and Cooper's like, nice going, asshole,
you smashed it. And he's like, you were taking it downstairs.

(21:07):
He's like, no, I wasn't. You can't get a reception
in the basement dickhead favorite line. And Cooper was really
actually trying to help despite you know, He's like, you
know what, I'm gonna have to put myself out on
a limb here. We need to know what the hell's
going on. I got a sick daughter, my wife's not
exactly doing well right now. I've got thing, I've got

(21:28):
people to protect, but we also need to have information.
So Tom and Judy Rose are doing their best to
do everything, and you just see these desperate people trying
to get here. But Barbara, it's the only one who's like,
we've got to get a plan. She even demonstrates the
Tom and Judy Rose when she shoots mister Magruder in
the nineties version and starts wasting amber, going is he dead,

(21:51):
Shoots him in the heart, shoots him in the lung,
shoots him in the stomach. Guy doesn't die. Eventually pops
him in the head, drops, stops moving, And again you
see that character from this scared girl who doesn't mutter
a word other than she's worrying about her brother, who's
definitely now among the undead, and that's what it is.

(22:12):
And looking through that now, it's interesting how you see
the rise of female leads and just even kind of
reflecting upon this now, like thirty years later, I wonder
if seeing characters like Ripley and Sarah Conner and now
Barbara led to my liking of the really strong female

(22:33):
arch type kind of moving up through the nineties, because
I think the next movie I've really attached myself to
during the nineties was Nancy from Nightmare on Elm Street
and Sidney Prescott from Scream, and then again, I guess,
if you want to expand upon that, Laurie Strode from
the Halloween franchise. So yeah, it's just it's interesting to

(22:54):
look about how characters react, characters evolve. I know when
Savini worked to direct this. He had a lot of
studio problems trying to get this. He's been around the
horror convention scene for years. He shows off a rough
work print how much stuff was cut from this movie,
but he even says, I got about forty percent of

(23:15):
what I wanted to on the screen on this and
some of those scenes are up on YouTube. There's a
very famous shotgun kill you can see and the scene
I'm gonna talk about, just to give you guys a
point of reference for this is do you remember when
Tom's in the back of the truck and they're trying
to get the gas and the burning zombie comes up

(23:35):
on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. If you've ever seen
the movie Maniac, it's like that. It is very visceral,
and that got cut because that's all you see is
a hard cut, like you hear the blam from the shotgun.
Then it cuts to Ben and that's one of the
scenes that was cut. There's a longer scene of Uncle

(23:56):
Reg's re animation and him getting his head caved in again.
But ninety has gore very good special effects. But you
don't need to be over the top with it because
it's something you Aaron had mentioned and even you, Alex,
the zombies are more sympathetic. There's one zombie carrying a
baby doll.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, that's that's isn't that the No, it's not the
one that she that Barbara is like weeping at at
the end, like pushing away?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think it is actually, And I think there was
a lawsuit involving her at one point if I remember
one of the video factoids correctly, and they cut some
they cut something from that scene to avoid getting in trouble. Okay,
but yeah, but yeah, there's like zombies that are because
zombies are just people, and in the Romero Verse, yeah,
they're victims. Like you think about this, the infection in

(24:49):
the Romero Verse kind of like in Walking Dead, though
I'm not one hundred percent sure it doesn't matter what
if you die, you come back. I think that's more
of a Walk Dead thing. But I know in Romero
you get bit, doesn't matter where unless you lop off
the limb, like immediately you're dead. There's nothing that can
be done. You're gonna be dead in two to three

(25:10):
days max. So you look at all these people, and
this is something I caught on a recent rewatch. You
see guys who are cut open, guys who have stab wounds,
guys who clearly have their neck broken. One zombie that
really is pathetic in a sense. Ben hits him with

(25:31):
the truck when he pulls up to Tom and Judy
Rose's place, and it breaks its back and it's struggling
there on the ground and Ben has to drive the
ire iron through his head and he's like, goddamn you,
goddamn all of you. And you realize this was just
a guy, wrong place, wrong time, and he's in this

(25:52):
eternal state of un life, just driven forward for whatever reason.
And again you get the girl with the the baby.
You see a naked woman zombie. You see guys who
are probably just going about their day and God knows
what happens to them. There's a very famous zombie I
think of from Donn of the Dead in the mall scene,

(26:15):
and he's outside them all too, and it's this fat
guy like literally the size of me and Alex, just
wearing swim shorts. So when the zombie plague hit, this
guy was just going for a swim. It can come
at you at any time, anywhere, and that's the thing too,
Like Tom says to Barbara and Ben, He's like Uncle

(26:35):
Reed died today, but then he got up and started
attacking Uncle Satchel. And you think about that. In Down
of the Dead, when they invade the apartment complex, they're
keeping zombies in there because they think there's a cure
for them. They think maybe they can save them. So
you see, how yeah, sorry, how's go ahead now?

Speaker 6 (26:55):
Plot wise? You know we obviously we're not you're not
going too deep in simply because at this point, I
think people know the basic premise for the most part,
especially if you're listening to us, that it is a
few people get hold up into a house when the
zombie apocalypse happens, and they never quite say what caused it.

(27:16):
They hint that it could be, you know, something from space.
It could be something you know, it could be a chemical,
could it be a virus. They never really let you know.
And I believe it's the same for all of them.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Gonna say, I don't think that they ever explained it.
It's not like Returnal Living Dead, where they clearly show
that it's a chemical.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's hinted that it's like a returning space probe from venus.
But that's only one theory. It's just the most detailed
of them.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Yeah, I was gonna say that, watching it, I was like,
they never they give just enough to give you pause
and doubt. But and that's basically people are hold up
in a house. There's conflicting personalities, there's you know, either
some or not so subtle racism involved. And again, like
you said, Mike, a what probably sixty eight movie might

(28:06):
be one of the first even though it wasn't mainstream.
It was an independent movie, you know, major starring roles
for an African American in like what would be you know,
become a big movie movie franchise worldwide and it you know,
it was sort of Romero's way of yes, it's it's

(28:27):
a zombie movie, but it's not only it's a zombie.
It's the first real modern how we interpret zombie movies
to be right, it's the progenitor. Prior to that, when
you talked about zombies and movies, they were always people
in a trance.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
It was always like white zombie.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Yeah, it was like you're in a trance or there's
a magical spell or there. You know, it's it was
steeped in like, you know, something like mysticism, and or
it was either like a genie put it on your
or a mystic or or it was something to do
with like ancient Egyptian magic, that sort of stuff. And

(29:05):
this was, you know, more just a biological threat versus
you know, a specific entity forcing it upon people. So
that in itself is awesome. And you watch that first movie,
it is more of a character pieces. It's a outside
of the fact that they have some parts outside, it's
basically a play done in one set.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, you could, you could do this as a set play.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
And I think they have too.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, I'm sure, But I think I think the original
movie is much more a story between Ben and Cooper,
right Like it's it's just them sort of blowing off
each other. And in the nineteen ninety remake, I think
the overall all of the characters are way more nuanced.

(29:56):
I won't say that they're like super three dimensional all
of them, but like Barbara is an important nuanced character.
You still have Cooper, you still have been you know,
you have you have Judy and Tom. Those people are
all still important and actually seemingly have their own little motivations.
So I think I think the nineteen ninety remake actually

(30:19):
does a better job with the characters.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, Like one thing I had heard again through several
videos that when Romero worked on the script for this,
he's like, I want to I want another crack at Barbara.
I want to make her different, and I like how
she's not a kick ass action hero. She actually grows
over the course of the movie. She goes from this
mousey little girl who doesn't want to drive two hundred

(30:45):
miles to visit their dead mother, and by the end
she's taken charge. She's trying to actively get everybody rallied
to say, let's get the safety. We don't have a
lot of time here. And I really appreciate that kind
of nuance with.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Her, but it's still overwhelmed at the end when you know,
surrounded by the the good old boy militia people and
and just how they've they have no respect for the
dead or for you know, it's it's just it's fun
for the like, like she's still shocked when she sees

(31:18):
that that's it's only been a day and look at
the circus as basically popped up, like there you could
see Even though Romero didn't direct this one, you could
see that there were seeds planted because he wrote the
script for this one as well. You could see the
seeds that were planted for what would become his last
few Dead movies, where it was a lot more tongue

(31:40):
in chic, like like they're they're there for one day,
and not only have they rounded people up, and they're
taking bets on like on who which is zombie is
going to kill each other first? Or there's a hot
dog stand, like they've turned it into a carnival side
show within a day. And yes, it's the stuff you see.
That's the social commentary you see in his later movies.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I think that the nineteen ninety really does well with
showing man's inhumanity to man. Yeah, And I think what
symbolizes that the most is when they string up one
of the zombies from the tree and just start plugging
him full of lead and not killing him, like not
shooting him in the head, just watching them dance on
the end of this rope, yeah, as they laugh and

(32:22):
cavord around and it's like, wow, I don't know, even
as a teenager, that really kind of hit me.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
There is, And it's kind of cool because that's almost
a crossover with Down of the Dead because it's almost
a modern reinterpretation because in Dawn of the Dead nineteen
seventy seven or seventy eight, I can't remember which year,
but either way, there's a scene where fly Boy and
all of them are going over and they see these
and Steve says to the group, Wow, look at these rednecks.

(32:50):
They're probably enjoying it. And the National Guards out there.
They've got beer, they've got fucking food trucks and everything,
and they're doing the exact same thing they are at
the end of ninety And there's one line that always
kind of stuck with me about this. And Barbara, she's recovered.
She's outside the house they're burning the zombies and one
of the Rednecks goes, sorry. Barba says to one of

(33:16):
the Rednecks, they're them and they're us, and one of
the red Necks goes what. She's like, we're them and
they're us, and the Rednecks doesn't understand her, and she
just kind of grins and says, are we having fun?

Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yet?

Speaker 4 (33:32):
She's in the Redneck's like, give me a break, kind
of be so dismissive of it. And you can just
see like you're right here, and these guys they're having fun,
like they're not taking precautions. They're being very avalier about it,
like to hunt. The most dangerous game is man, and
now you can kind of do it with impunity. And

(33:54):
you see this in Dawn of the Dead where it's
the two redneck snipers sitting on top of a hill
beating the zombies, going bam, drop him, bam. Ah, shit,
missed hit that gas tank and they blow up a
gas tank. Why why why not? It's fun and you
just see them fucking around and again, one of the

(34:15):
best things about the remake is Ben. He gets wounded
in the fight with Cooper, mortally after they try to
kill Cooper's daughter, who's now turned into a zombie and everything.
So Ben goes down to the basement. He's wounded from
being shot by Cooper. He's bleeding out, he's gonna die.
And he goes to the basement. He finds the keys
of the gas pump that they were looking for earlier.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh yeah, and he just starts laughing.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, He's like, well, guess I'm fucked. He starts listening
to the radio and he's taking out all these broken
cigarettes code. Well, that sucks. That sucks, and he's just
bleeding out, just trying to enjoy these last moments of life.
And the goat or the zombie of Cooper's wife, Valerie

(35:01):
I think her name is, comes around the corner, takes
his last bullet, kills her. Now he can't even kill himself.
So the end of this movie happens, and Barbara and
the Rednecks are clearing the house and she sees Ben,
who's clearly turned, and one of the Rednecks takes him
out with his rifle, and Barbara's obviously distraught. Cooper in

(35:24):
this one, has survived. He hit upstairs in an attic,
which would have been smart from the very fucking beginning,
but I digress. So he comes down the stairs and
Cooper knows that she ran the night before, and he's
so happy he came back and he's just overjoyed, and
Barbara just pulls out her pistol, just puts one between

(35:44):
his eyes, and Barbara walks out. The two Rednecks kind
of look at each other like, what the hell was that?
Just another one for the fire? Those Rednecks fucking knew
she just murdered.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Somebody and that's the line that was said in the
first movie very end when the sheriff kills Ben, and
so they put a bit they put again, they put
a bit of a twist on it, you know. So
it's not just shot for shot, it's it's the same
movie but gussied up really well remixed.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah. Yeah, Like it's really clever, and I'm honestly surprised
how well ninety still holds up. I mean, yeah, there's
a couple of famous gaffs in this. Like there's one example.
You can see the camera person in the kitchen in
the reflection of a glass window. No big deal, Yeah, exactly,
shit happens. But when you look at how much love

(36:39):
I really feel was put into this, I'd really like
to see what Savigni could have done had he been
allowed to do everything he knowed.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Do you know what, though, dude, I almost feel like
this is one of the cases where less is more. Yeah,
I love I love you know me. I'm the I'm
the the guy that loves all the Coronerberg stuff. I
know that it's squishy, gross, and I know that Aaron
doesn't care for that stuff, but I love it when
in my head it makes sense it's weird. As much

(37:09):
as I would love to see more zombie movies and
all this with gore and crazy special effects in Szovini's
so good at that I almost feel like this is
a weird case where I think the studio meddling actually
helped the movie.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, like it personally.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I think it had enough gore. It was enough. There
was blood, there was guts, there was dismembered limbs. That's
what you need, but you don't need it so much
that it's in every single shot because it's distracting from
the human story that's trying to be told.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
I would be interested to see if he was able
to complete his original cut, like have both exist and
then you could really do it a watch and just
see whether you know, his original vision worked as much
or you know, again, I'm thinking maybe because he was
a makeup or like a make up artists mostly right
like and special effects artists that he wanted. He probably

(38:06):
wanted to showcase his crazy effects like a lot. But
maybe he didn't have Maybe he wouldn't have had the
eye for keeping the movie as tight as it needed
to be sure it probably would have been you know,
an hour and fifty minutes long or something versus an
hour and twenty eight. But I'm wondering this might be
one of the very few cases I can think of

(38:27):
where studio meddaling and censorship might have actually helped.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yeah, from from the footage I've seen on YouTube, which
you can see, and not all of that has audio
because it's been lost due time. Because this is from
a work print from many, many, many years ago, it
didn't add a whole lot. Like I said, Yeah, there's
some gore, and it's fine at best. Like I said,
you get a shotgun kill. It's pretty pretty violent as

(38:54):
it kind of reminds me of Maniac, but not as
explosive as say that headshot in the apartment in Dawn
of the Dead. But yeah, like here, it moves at
a really brisk pace. One thing I really love about
in ninety compared to sixty eight is you're never bored.
Things keep doing, characters keep going, and it's engaging enough

(39:16):
that you care about what happens to these people, and
the fact that you never get a concrete answer as
to why this is happening is what I love. One
of the things I loved about the Dawn of the
Dead remake by Zack Schneider and James Gunn back in
two thousand and four is Special Features. There are two.
One is called Andy's Lost Tapes, where it's the gun

(39:39):
store owner Andy talking about his experiences prior to him
being rescued quote unquote and then getting infected. But another
one is the twenty seven hours leading up to all
emergency broadcast stations going off the air, to which Tom
Zavimi has a cameo. Ken Fourree has a cameo the
guy who played Roger Scott something or other. I can't

(40:01):
remember his name, but either way, it shows what happens
when the world falls apart, and it's kind of amazing
in that regard. But Night sixty eight and ninety give
you just enough to make you decide your own mind.
One of the my favorite lines of the entire franchise
is when Peter is standing on the mall Ledge and

(40:24):
he says, when there's no more room in Hell, the
dead will walk the earth. In Steven's like, what voodoo,
he says, it's something my granddaddy say. He was a
priest in Trinidad, and he talks about this as divine judgment.
And then even in Day of the Dead. One of
the helicopter pilots says, maybe we were getting too big
for our breeches. Maybe this is God's way of saying,

(40:47):
you're not the ones in charge. I am. And it's
interesting because when you're in the zombie situation, you look
at a show like say The Walking Dead, and how
it's progressed through as many spin offs and supplementary media.
Does it tell a good human story? At times?

Speaker 6 (41:04):
There are some really cool characters you see first three
or four seasons probably.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, like there like there are some good character stories
mixed in there, But the problem is its spectacle overtakes
the humanity. When a movie you only have less than
two hours to work with, you better tell a concise story.
And the Dead movies, at least the first three are
really good. Hell, I really even enjoy Diary. I actually
interviewed Joel Dinnacle like fifteen years back, and again I

(41:32):
really liked his character. He was the guy with the
glasses in that movie. I can't remember what his character's
name was, but yeah, like, there's there's something to learn
about yourself, about each other. What are you gonna do
when the chips are down? Are you willing to work
with those you wouldn't necessarily get along with to survive
when the world is literally turning to crap outside your window.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I mean, these.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Movies popularized well what's your zombie plan?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Hell?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Author Max Brooks brought the Zombie Survival Handbook. I have
interviewed him a couple of times. I've got a signed
copy of the book around here somewhere, And yeah, it's amazing.
How about zombies permeated culture for so long? Hell, Like
I said, we had Walking Dead, we had z Nation.
I think there was talk of a return. I think yeah,
I think next year. I want to say, in twenty

(42:23):
twenty six, there is a remake of Returnal Him to
Hell that may even be coming out this Christmas. I'm
not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Twenty eight weeks later, and all the faster zombie stuff,
there's a new one of that. Was it twenty eight
months later? They're calling it now or something?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Twenty eight years later?

Speaker 6 (42:39):
Twenty years Okay, Yeah, you've got that. There's been lots
of There's been some over the top like Sean Dead. Yeah,
there's been a lot of those. But I think what
you hit on, Mike is what makes even the original
movie scarier. Than a lot of the monster movies out there.
Is it is completely un known. You do never you

(43:01):
never find out what caused it. It's something that could happen,
Like you look at it now and our through our
lens of you know, five years on from COVID. It's
kind of like COVID. Yeah, exactly like they how how
not necessarily in you know, the exact methodology or how
it happened. It's just those first few months if you remember,

(43:23):
like March through May of twenty twenty, when nobody knew
what the hell was going on, Like, think about how
we would have reacted had we not had mass communication
with the internet.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I remember one popular phrase that came out during COVID,
and it relates directly back to zombies. I remember one
phrase that was popular online was you're the type of
person who would hide a zombie bite. And that might
refer to someone who isn't masking or falling proper masking
like kind of protocols And mean, even now we approach

(43:59):
the anniversary of COVID, have we learned anything? I don't know,
but I heard that.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's that's related to that is is that if if
this was I totally understand why the zombie apocalypse can
happen now in the movies and not think you know,
because there's I heard that from somebody because they were
saying before then, no one understood how like slow zombies
could ever win, Like, how is this possible, especially in

(44:31):
America if it started in America, because there's so many
guns and bullets that everyone has this stuff. Well, it's
probably because people would deny it was happening, yep, would
ignore it, would do nothing to stop it, because yeah,
it's just a pan of the butt.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
There is an alternate cut of Dawn and the Dead
that was done by Dario Argento. And if you guys
remember there's two TV personalities, not the ones in the beginning,
but one when they're in the mall. It's this guy,
doctor Millard Rausch, and he's talking with another gentleman and
he says, the reason the zombies are gonna win is
because we can't do what needs to be done. We

(45:09):
are too emotional. We are connected to things that cannot feel.
We are connected to something that does not react like us.
And a person pipes up from the audience like, well,
won't they run out of food? And he says young lady,
they won't because we're still alive. Why don't we drop
bombs in all the big cities. This is where all
the creatures tend to congregate. Maybe we could get a

(45:31):
chance to get a foothold. But by the time Day
of the Dead rolls around, doctor Logan, Doctor Frankenstein says, well,
they outnumber the living something like four hundred thousand to
one by his calculations, And I'm not surprised.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Yeah. Well, and it's like, you know, even something more contemporary.
You have The Last of Us, right, and the adaptation
that was for television. What at the very beginning when
they discover you know that it's it's you know, it's
the courty steps, you know, virus whatever problem. It's not
the same origin. They have an origin. But when they

(46:07):
ask the virologist in the there's a specific term. I
forget the name of the scientists where their their job
is to study basically it's not just virology, it's it's
like highly communical disease specialist whatever. And and that's in
I believe Indonesia. And like she sits there looking at it,

(46:28):
looking at what it can do. How and they're like,
this is this can't jump from human to human. They're like, well,
it already has and she just sits there, looks and
they're like, well, so what do we do to stop it?
And she just says bomb, like kill everybody in the
entire infected area. That And I was like that watching
that recently, you know, in the last couple of years.
That hit me. I was like, WHOA really that if

(46:50):
that's the solution, You're right, people won't they'll wait till
it's too late because they're afraid of what would have
to have happen. And it's horrible that it would have
to happen. But you've got to consider that that movie
in nineteen sixty eight, no internet, you know, you have
you have radio and television, but you're limited by range,
can get range, power? Who can get it? Who has it?

(47:12):
Who in sixty eight? You know, in nineteen sixty eight,
not everybody in rural areas out of television, like you know,
I mean, if you're rural poor, you either not have
a television, or you might have a television, but you
might not be able to get any stations, you know,
only certain times of the day or maybe a low
power in local station not a reve.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Like honestly, nineteen sixties. Depending on where you are in Appalachia,
you might not even have electricity.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah yeah. And one thing that the Diary of the
Dead movie that came out in two thousand and seven,
which is essentially a third remake of Night to Living Dead,
but from the more modern era. They're editing this together
like a documentary and uploading it to YouTube, which was
a phenomenon at the time because they were talking about
website hits like fucking views. It's really weird to go
back and watch that movie. But it's kind of strange

(48:02):
because now you think about that. We know, Alex, you
and I both know extensively. You know, people would troll
this despite the seriousness of the situation. It would get
out on four Chan, it would get out on all
these other terrible websites, and people would deny it's happening.
Or there's a point in Day of the Dead or
not so not Day Dawn where they're talking about rescue
stations are out of date. You know, people would say, oh, yeah,

(48:25):
go here, it's totally fine, and they would purposely do
it to kill people because people are sadistic.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Well, you'd have that, but we have the advantage of,
you know, living through a worldwide pandemic where we know
that what has helped is communication. What is also I
think what saved us on our sanity was being able
to stay in constant contact with friends and family over
long distances. Hell, we converted our entire podcast to recording

(48:53):
remotely entirely where it used to be, you know, most
of it was done in person, and then we would
have we would get connect online if we have people
that were recording with us remotely. But you know, we
switched to this so like we've lived through it and
thank God for mass communication. It can be it could
be terrible, but like you mentioned, but it could also
be you know great. So I see this and I

(49:13):
think you could redo these movies. You'd have to tweak
things obviously to account for, you know, what's happening in
modern times, because with ninety, you know, we're looking at
thirty five years ago, you know, which the world of
thirty five years ago may as well be sixty years ago.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, that's when it comes from. Yeah. I always say,
like pre pre fall the Soviet Union, it's a very
different world.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Yeah, and you got to consider, like most people even
you know, nineteen ninety five, the Internet had been around.
If you most people still didn't have dial up. I
got the Internet in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand.
We had dial up for like one year, and then
we went to high speed, and we were, you know,
one of the few families that went to high speed.

(49:57):
Realizing that like most of America didn't switch to broadband
until the mid two thousands.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Yeah, I mean I didn't. I mean I moved out
in the late nineties into my own place. I didn't
get cable internet until ninety nine, two thousand.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
And that's literally five to ten years before the vast
majority of people in North America switched to an always
on where you didn't have to dial in even DSL,
you didn't have to like, you didn't have to dial
and you're always connected the smartphone and they always connected.
Internet changed how we think of things. So it is
really a completely different world. So you could redo it.

(50:34):
So it is fascinating to watch these two movies and
see how you know, when nineteen ninety came out, it
must have you know, I didn't see it initially when
it first came out, you guys did. It must have
felt very modern and different from the original, but looking
at them now back to back, they very much feel
like they come from the same era, even though they are,

(50:57):
you know, twenty some years apart.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Yeah, like, even to look at sixty eight to ninety
the two thousand and seven with Diary of the Dead,
if you were to remake this movie today, it wouldn't
be kids uploading it to YouTube. It would be people
uploading it to TikTok, to social media.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
It wouldn't be that. It'd be live streaming the whole
time on Twitch.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, and that's a vastly different movie than Diary, because like,
what do you do? Why are you becoming an influencer
in the worst time. Hell, there was a can't either
it was a Japanese zombie me or a Korean zombie
I wanced a couple of years ago, and there was
a guy live streaming during all this. He's the only
person on the internet still gaming, and he's like, look
at all these hits I'm getting. I'm like, the world's

(51:40):
falling apart for fuck's sakes. But yeah, like these movies,
they are incredible, they are timeless. They are both worth watching.
I will even put a watch it if you can
find it Diary of the Dead. Don't go out and
buy the Blu ray or anything. It's but it is
worth watching if you can find it. This sh stream

(52:00):
it even rent it. Totally worth it and watch all three.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
And as you said, you can you can easily watch
the first one anywhere.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, pretty much, like like it is so easy to
find nineteen ninety. There was a Blu ray that came
out a couple of years ago. As of this recording,
it is a little darker, which not a lot of
people are happy with. But I know there was a
Shout Factory re release I want to say, in the
last couple of years too, that does look significantly better.

(52:30):
But it is available to rent in other places and
stream I think I think it's available to stream in
the US. But it is totally worth it, guys, Like, seriously,
these movies are timeless. I will never turn down an
opportunity to talk about these So now I've had a
chance to talk about this news with almost all my
friends now and.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
I mean like it. And you know, we we've recently
in the last year lost twenty todd So you know,
an icon in horror films where I feel like it's
this is a role that most people don't know he
was in or remember him from, because we know him
basically as always playing the villain, and in this, I

(53:12):
mean you could say it's one of his few protagonist roles.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, like, this isn't Candy Man, this isn't the Final
Destination movies, This isn't even Star Trek. This is something
different and the last things I remember Tony Todd from
our Final Destination in Spider Man two, where he was
the voice of Venom. So this is outstanding. Like, it's
a fantastic movie. Please check it out. Yeah, if you

(53:39):
happen to see Patricia Tallman at a convention, she's still
doing conventions, so I'm pretty sure she is. Ask her
about this. I think she'd really enjoy that. So I
guess closing thoughts, let's start with Aaron and then we'll
go to Alex.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
My closing thoughts are both of these movies are fantastic.
I really don't know which one I like better. Darlene
would probably argue that the original nineteen sixty eight version
is the best, but I like them for different reasons.
I like the first one for the weird and unsettling
atmosphere and the just really kind of groundbreaking social commentary,

(54:16):
whereas the nineteen ninety I really like the character work
that's in it and the breakneck pacing. I guess my
final thoughts would be, if you ever have a chance
to go to Evans City, do so. The cemetery that
the original was filmed at is still there, Darlingne and
I have been there, and it's actually upsetting driving to

(54:39):
it because it actually feels like you're in the film
because it still looks almost exactly the same. Oh wow,
even to like the point where you turn off and
drive up the hill to go into the cemetery. It's
kind of chilling. It's kind of chilling, but it's worth it.
So those are my lots.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Alex.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
I would say, I'm kind of torn. I do think
the original is a great watch. I think if you're
going to try to get let's say, somebody born where
their birth year starts with a two, it's going to
be a hard sell. In its pacing. It is a
longer movie by about ten minutes or so, I think

(55:27):
than the nineteen ninety remake, but it does have its
slow parts. You know, obviously they were padding some parts
for their budget and just trying to make it. It's
also it's essentially a student film, right, you know, or
a first feature from people that were students. I think
that ninety is a good place to start. Is it

(55:51):
going to be the best like zombie movie to introduce
younger generations to maybe? Honestly, yeah, because it's not overly
too gory for people that might be queasy or be
turned off by it. It's also not necessarily as preachy
as some you know, some movies might get into. It

(56:14):
is also under ninety minutes, so you think for the
kids nowadays, where everything has to be like TikTok ninety
second clips, that it moves fast enough that you can
follow it without having to rely on the gore or
the shaky cam stuff of the early two thousand zombie movies.
So it is probably a really good starting point. And

(56:35):
I do think it's not my favorite zombie movie of
all time. I'd have to really sit down and think
about which one is. But it is something where now
I can see it and I can go, yeah, you know,
maybe every year every other year, if it pops on,
it could become part of my sort of Halloween routine.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
To finish things out. Ninety is my favorite of the
remakes and of the Dead of the Dead movies. To
really get someone in, yeah, I recommend ninety absolutely over
sixty eight, although I might almost If I were to
recommend a series of movies with this, I would say
start with nineteen ninety and if you really wanted to

(57:13):
flash back to Dawn of the Dead nineteen seventy eight,
seven or seventy eight, it's worth it because it's better
character work than the two thousand and four remake, which
is really good, don't get me wrong, but to the
older one has a lot more to say, and it's
a lot more interesting in that regard, a lot more
social commentary. Day of the Dead can absolutely be not avoided.

(57:35):
It is probably in my top three zombie movies of
all time. But also check out some of the other
supplemental media. I've mentioned Diary of the Dead a few times.
It is definitely worth checking out as well.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
What There's also Survival of the Dead, and then there's
isn't there another one?

Speaker 4 (57:50):
No, there was? There is talk of one Land of
the Dead. It's worth watching once, but it does not
hold up very well because the characters are paper things.
But it does take place though no one's quite sure
where it falls in the timeline, which is a little all.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
I remember that one is Dennis Hopper just going zombies.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
They freaked me out in the second movie where Dennis
Hopper and John Leguizamo team up. If you can name
the other one, you're a dork. But yeah, So ultimately
I said, these movies are fantastic. I'm always glad to
talk about them, and I'm glad I've had a chance
to talk about these with a variety of experts, like
I think I've talked about this with James Rolf. I
think we talked about this even with Enrique at one point.

(58:32):
Now I got a chance to talk about this with
you guys, So this is a fun topic. I'm really
glad we got a chance to break this down. We're
looking forward to bringing you more spooky content this month
here on Twig. But hold on, I'm getting a transmission.
We're gonna have to take a break here on this
week in Geek and well, we'll see what happens next.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
He is CNN breaking news.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
The scientific community is focusing on this phenomenon, specifically on
that trance like state that seems to characterize the assailants
clearly a behavioral disorder, But what could have caused so
widespread and dramatica condition is the one we are facing tonight.
We for speculation on everything from the ozone layer and
chemical weapons to voodoo mysticism and organisms from space, I

(59:24):
mean all. Just in Stockton, California have released a report
stating that the bodies of the recently dead are returning
to life driven by an unknown force that enables the
brain to continue to function.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Are either one of these?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Any good? Sir?

Speaker 4 (59:47):
What are either one of these?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Any good?

Speaker 5 (59:50):
I don't watch movies.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Quick take the child.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
You're wasting your life making sick.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
These movies are terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Still here, it's over. Go home, Go

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