Loose Cannon - Halloween 2025 Week 4 - Resident Evil Movies 4-6 Discussion - ThisWeekInGeek

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yum yum.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's time for a tasty and refreshing snack. You know
what I can do with that? I can do without
the people in the video store, which ones all of them.

(00:26):
They never rent quality flexed. They always picked the most
intellectually devoid movie on the racks. And on with the show.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
My name is Alice. I worked for the Umbrella Corporation
in a secret laboratory developing experimental viral weaponry. There was
an incident, A virus escaped. Everybody died. Trouble was, they
didn't stay dead. This was the start of an apocalypse

(00:54):
that would sweep the entire world. The men responsible for
this disaster took refuge underground and continued to experiment with
the deadly tea virus. They felt secure in their high
tech fortress, but they were wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hey guys, what's going on? You are listening to this
weekend geek dot Net and this is loose Can, the
show that celebrates movies of all types via the big,
huge blockbusters, obscure stuff you might find on VHS or
perhaps shot on shittio. You don't know what we're gonna
cover on this show. I am your host, Mike the Berman,
but I'm not alone as I go through the Umbrella

(01:33):
testing facility as we begin, well, not begin, more like
conclude ish more like. This is the second of our
three part series on the residival film franchise. We're gonna
be looking at Afterlife Extinction and the final chapter today
and kind of discussing that, and then when we finally
conclude this thing, we will be doing a ranking of

(01:55):
all the movies with a special notice to resident Evil.
Welcome to Raccoon City. I've been buried in this franchise
for what feels like for fucking ever. But I'm not alone.
I'm joined by my compatient from the Royal City of Guelf, Ontario,
Canada out Tom May Donaldson, and of course from the
Lovely State World and center of the world that you

(02:17):
didn't know about from Troy, Ohio.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
My name is David, and I have been forced to
watch these movies now to the point that I can
honestly say this series was it ever good?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah? And finally from the Garden State of New.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Jersey, Ken from this anime and dear lord, I have
a new top worst film I've ever done for this show.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know what, It's funny, so We began this journey
a while ago, I mean, due to the magic of radio,
we were recorded this a couple of weeks ago. But
we're recording this during October, and I've had the chance
to marathon the last three movies, and I realized I
hadn't seen the final chapter.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Because I refused, Well, I know why, Yeah, I know,
I know why you did. And I absolutely get that.
It was more so for me it was I think
I think I said this on our previous episode. It
was just a weird time. We got an Underworld movie
that year, we got a new Resident Evil movie in year,
like it probably was the same month, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

(03:29):
And I didn't care about them.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
You like.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And it's crazy because, like obviously in my last episode
we all did together, I waxed very poetically how much
I love the Resident Evil ipe like I've been playing
the games, I've read the novels. In fact, thanks to Dave,
I was reminded of audio books that are on YouTube.
Somebody put all six Resident Evil audio books up and

(03:53):
I don't know whether they're read by a professional, but
they're all the books by S. D. Perry, And I
was like.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
This splasher librarian the guy that I sent you.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I don't think it's that guy. It's a difficult although
that Slasher Library and I'm gonna go through their Friday
the thirteenth stuff because it's been like there's thirty years. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Not only shout out shout out to the Slasher Library
and on YouTube. Not only does he catalog you know,
every novelization possible from like horror movies and whatnot, but
he also does the side novels too, so like all
of the young adult Nightmarre and Elm Street, Friday thirteenth,
the Halloween, the ones that are on internet archive because
a physical copy of the Motherfuckers are like one hundred

(04:31):
and fifty up. Yeah, shout out to him, like if
you're if you're a horror fan but also like a
novelization fan, check out Slasher Library and eighty Slasher Library
and on YouTube because you will not be disappointed with
the amount of content that that man is put out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I was super surprised to like see just these books
out there. I mean, I thought I was the only
one that read them. I'm hoping the Doom books exist
out there on like some audio library. But anyway, so yeah,
obviously we're gonna be talking about After Life, extinction and
the final chapter, And as I mentioned, I hadn't seen

(05:06):
final chapter, and it's weird. When I was watching these,
I had a really weird thought and we were kind
of talking about this off air the Resident Evil movies.
Once you get past three, once you're totally clear of
anything involving the game's storyline outside of character names and
pseudo backgrounds, it's action figures and how can we can

(05:29):
get Milli Joovitz to look hot while doing ridiculous physics
defying stunts and I'm okay with.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
That, and outfits don't outfits.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, So the first one after Life, I think I
saw this in theaters. I'm not one hundred percent sure,
but I remember being mildly upset at this one because
this one mildly Oh you wait till I get the
fucking extinction. This is the one where I was like, okay,

(06:00):
I mean extinction.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
We already talked about extinction. We talked about extinction.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Extinction.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I'll talk about extinction. I'll kill you weird.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I used to hate extinction. Now I kind of don't
mind it, which is kind of strange for me.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Russell McKay. He did what he could for the Resident
Evil franchise, and they'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, it's so strange because this franchise is tickets such
a bizarre turn with its material. Like obviously, Paul WS
Anderson has done some really cool movies, Like I recently
discovered Events Horizon about two years ago, and I was like,
this is fucking awesome. It's basically it's like the precursor
of the fucking Dead Space and I was like, that's wicked.

(06:40):
And then it's.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Hell ratel Race is how I've always thought of it.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, Like it was like super friggin intense. And then
with these movies, I can appreciate that that's his wife.
I love the physicality that she puts into it. And
it's amazing how many these movies are shot in and
around Toronto, which kind of neats and I found that
kind of neat. And Paul W. S Anderson wrote two

(07:07):
out of these last three movies and directed them. I
know he did Afterlife and Final Chapter.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I think.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm not sure whether he did Retribution.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
In Retribution. Yeah, as the writer in Retribution, but he's
not and the director writer. He directed all three Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I wasn't sure whether he did retribution or not, but
it seems to me like the story just becomes here's
an action figure and let's do ridiculous crap and there
might be a bad guy from the series. Like we
get Claire Redfield. Obviously, she comes back being rescued from Acadia,
which is the ship that was their thing. I'll get

(07:51):
Dave to do like the pertinent deats. But one of
the things that I weirdly noticed was Alice has an
obsession with using quarters, which really annoyed me as a
gun person. Because no, there was a guy I think, yeah, sorry.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
There's a reason for the quarters because three.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
D Yeah, but there was a guy on YouTube, and
shout out to this dude for doing the work. His
name is Elvis the Alien I think was his YouTube
channel name. He's like, you realized dimes might be more effective,
but they're less visually impressive. So anyway, I'm gonna hero
with to Dave. Dave give me the pertinent dats on
this thing.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
This thing is President Evil after Life from the Great
Year of twenty ten, one hour and thirty six minutes,
rated R for sequences of strong violence and language. Our
cast on this one is Mely Joviovich, Ali Larder, Wentworth Miller,
Kim Coates, Sean Roberts. We also have the director of

(08:51):
Paul ws Anderson as also our writer on this and
the synopsis on IMDb says, while still out to destroy
the evil Umbrella Corporation, Alice joins a group of survivors
living in a prison surrounded by the infected, who also
wants to relocate to the mysterious but supposedly unharmed safe
haven known as Arcadia.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I thought Kim Coates was in this movie.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I genuinely forgot how much fun this movie was. But
I will also add to the fact that I believe,
as I said at the beginning of the show, this
is when the franchise just identified what it's core wanted,
and I think that's why they went in on all
this action. I also think the plot of this one
is a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yes, fun, It's an interesting thing.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
There are some wild inconsistencies with this, and again, look
at what I'm trying to analyze through the lens of sense.
It doesn't know there there are parts of this that
I think are okay. One thing that honestly surprised the
ever living hell out of me. The music in this
is really cool. Yeah, yeah, Like I'm sitting there listening

(10:01):
to this on my seven point one surround sound headset,
and I'm thinking, Jesus, this is really good. How did
I not notice this? And again it's had a really
really good time. I mean, one other thing I noted
because I wrote my reviews for these on Letterbox. As
I'm watching them, I realized I like Ali Larder more

(10:25):
on the big screen than anything she ever did on
the small screen. And I that's not an indictment of
how of her acting ability. I just think she works
great in small doses and as Claire, she's not bad.
Like I genuinely really really really like her as Claire.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well in Afterlife she actually gets to do shit.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, she's like, hey, I'm acting part of That's That's
something I think we need to address right away. Paul
wlis Aerson is not good at writing characters that are
not making it. No, No, it's just you you have.
It's kind of we We said this again in our
previous episode. You have so many people that you put

(11:08):
into this movie, and then you run out of things
for them to do. So they just kind of fuck
off for a large portion of the film and then
come back for like the home run at the end
and everything. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, and spoiler alert,
this is the movie that ends with dude jabbing her
taking away her powers. So now she's just a master
of pew pew.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Correct, that's the that's the beginning.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's how it started.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So yeah, because at the next one at Retribution, at
the very end of Retribution is when he hits her
in the neck and he's like, you have your powers back.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh, by the way, we're at the White House and
it's being taken over.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, I've got a story a lot about that one.
But yeah, Like seeing this, I was like, like, two
of my favorite characters in the Residuevil Lore are Claire
Redfield and Chris Redfield. Obviously Crispy and the hero of
Resinu Evil one Residuevil Code Veronica plays a fairly significant
and Residue five and six, he has a pretty significant role.

(12:02):
So casting Wentworth Miller of Prison Break Fame and I
think Legends of Tomorrow, I think he plays Captain Cold.
If I'm not saying cool, I like it he's he's
a decent Chris. He's not a bad Chris, but it's like,
not what I expected Chris.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
There there's an execution to these characters that that is
decent and Wentworth. Wentworth as Chris is I think pretty enjoyable.
I think the problem that I have more than anything is,
once again it's you've established these characters, you've given them
nothing to do, and then when things happen, we're kind
of supposed to care about them. Yeah, it didn't seem

(12:43):
like there was a lot of build up to the
deaths of this one. Personally.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
I think Luther is the only one I was like, oh,
I kind of liked him, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
And then he randomly comes back in the next one.
Yeahcause reasons.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's no story to this movie except for the fact. Okay,
so she gets jabbed, she goes to like Fine Survivors,
and that's when she lands on top of the casino
hospital whatever the hell it is, where Kim Coates is
and everything, Because it feels like, yeah, prison, thank you,
my apologies, Yes, I'm getting it confused with what that

(13:17):
fucking Zach phone.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
We completely discount the cold open where Alice and all
the Alice clones attack the Tokyo facility of Umbrella and
all the Alice clones are immediately eliminated. Just the original Alice.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, it's again.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
There.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean, at least it wasn't twenty minutes into the
movie and she was on a motorcycle. I'll get you know,
I'll give them that one.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, okay, this is This.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Has gotta be easily the dumbest and funnest entry in
the series. In my opinion, I think this is you.
I think you could show somebody this one as their
first one and there really wouldn't be a problem.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
This is every thirteen year old boys fetish fantasy hot
twin twin katanas just fighting dudes. And also nobody reloads,
so Alice has the infinite cheat code on the entire movie.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
But the thing that made parts like It's skate York
and it's parts of the Warriors almost.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Oh yeah, the part that made me really annoy And
I clearly remember this because I was in the theater
when this happens. I think I saw this with Blair,
my wife, or I might have seen this by myself,
but I remember this clear as day. When Wesker jabs
are in the neck to take away the fucking T
virus powers. I was like, what the actual fuck? I

(14:42):
remember saying that really loud.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
We don't even we don't even have a whole movie
to have fun with that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, I know, it's like, let's take away her Jedi
powers because it feels so weird, because it feels like
Paul ws Anderson knew he had to course correct super
quick because she was so over are powered? Like what
are you gonna do? She's a fucking Jedi with an
army of buddies behind her. Which someone pointed this out
to me, And I know these movies are not known

(15:09):
for their continuity. Their script supervisor, I'm pretty sure was
always next door at Starbucks. But they're okay. So Alice
has Alice has the cool fucking powers. By definition, the
clones shouldn't because they don't have the T virus in
their bodies. She does so weird little plot hole that

(15:30):
someone else noticed. I'm like, hey, wait a second, that's
full of shitz?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Can I can I ask an ass whole question just
of the entire series is encapsulated, do we actually really
care about the virus? Like? Is does the virus really
consist of that much of a of a bold story
point to carry these movies.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
They have the more.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yes, but in the movies, the movies can rewrite the
origin of the T virus at least six times in
six movies.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Oh yeah, so it Yeah, it's a mcguffin in the movies,
But in the series, correct me if I'm wrong. It
became the catalyst for basically what mutated, not only the
species and everything, you know, the humans and everything along
with that, but it also made people go mad that
didn't actually get infected. They actually just became very mad

(16:17):
Men esque, even if they didn't have any of the
side effects. Correct, Yeah, because that's what that's what four
is all about.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, because there's the tvrs, the gvrs, the lost plagus parasite,
the T Veronica virus, which is just split off the
progenitor virus. I actually had a chart. There's like twelve
different variants.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's my point is, like, you've got this really really
cool premise that you could build off of with the
with the T virus just including it into the movies
as it was in the game. But like, I just
genuinely don't think it really fucking matters in the movies, Like,
and I hated saying that, but the more I watched
it was just like, it doesn't seem like it's ever
a threat because it's the threats already been spread, So
why do we care about capping it at this point?

(16:59):
There's no point.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, it's it's like so weird because it's basically, the
Ta virus exists purely to give us monsters and that's
all you ever need to know. And for certain people
it gives them superpowers. Cause like because like in the
first Residual movie, when Rain gets bitten, they're like, there's
an anti virus. We only have a short window to
use it. You're going to turn but we can probably

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save you. And people die when people get bit in
these movies, they're just they're torn apart and they're dead.
You're never given a chance to watch the virus act
on them. Not until Retribution where Rain injects herself with
the lost Plaugus, which it doesn't work like that and
she turns into the goddamn terminator. Yeah, but still we'll

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get there.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I mean, like on one of the big key standouts
of Afterlife is the fact that I kept constantly going
that's not how physics works.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh, I was fine with that. I was perfectly no.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
No, it's pure Bollywood level of we don't care about anymore.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't know if it's a Hollywood's, Bollywood's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
More the next Bollywood's like a next level to what
this is.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I've genuinely watched the band in a Bollywood film take
a car apart a piece of a time and throw
it at the monster as the monster's approaching, like he's
taking a tire off, whipping it. He's taking the door off,
whipping it like whips this car down piece by piece,
like he's fucking piecing it out.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
The thing that I liked about Afterlife and I can
genuinely says is it feels like action figures. And I'm
not appoached that because this movie is big, it's dumb.
It has the Eye, it has pieces of the IP,
and it's just enough that you're familiar Umbrella Wesker, Chris

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Claire and maybe one or two. Oh you get the
executioner from Residieval four and five. Cool, that's all you get,
and it's not bad, and that we're like, I like
the eye idea of Acadia being on a mobile ship
in the ocean, but it turns out it's a huge
trap surprise.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's kind of a really epic epic opening A five.
I do love that opening A five because of the ship.
I mean, that is pretty fucking But the one thing
I think I do love about the reveal of Arcadia
is that, yes, it's a trap and everything, but just
the general concept of a ship being the beacon of hope.
I kind of like that whole premise to be thrown

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into this movie because it kind of gave a standard
to where we didn't care about the zombies, we didn't
care about we didn't care about the monsters. We actually
cared more about the survivors, which really we lose after
that first movie until this one.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, Like one of the things, I'm kind of surprised
because the ship was out out on the water and
the Ta virus is known to mutate animals. In the Games,
there's a creature that's mutated a great white shark called Neptune,
which is just this enhanced fuck off shark. It's I'm
kind of surprised we did get like a sea creature battle,
But I would guess maybe that was a budgetary constraint

(20:04):
because from what I underest Yes, this movie did not
do well, which kind of surprised me.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
I remember that it may I think it might have
made like just its budget back.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, it just make its budget back, hanging on. No, No,
it's it's actually a little bit higher than that. I
think it did sixty million. Sixty million was its beget
and three hundred million is what it took in worldwide.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, but I don't think it was as successful as
they wanted it to be because I've I seemed to
recall this wasn't in theater super long, if I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
You got to keep in mind though, too, this is
also still video time. So even if it doesn't do
well in theaters, this fucker will make a killing on video.
And it probably did, because I know, I know for
a fact that I that I bought uh After Life
in like resturbution the day.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Of Yeah, the one sequence in this that I kind
of like only because it's so fucking goofy and it's
so over the top the Wesker fight and you probably
know exactly the shot that I love because it's so dumb,
the sun.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
The sunglasses right into the audience. It's so stupid. It's
so we shot this for three D.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Now, who's the actor who plays Wesker honestly not a
terrible Wesker, I mean better cast than the guy from
Welcome the Raccoon City, and also not Lance Reddick from
the Netflix series, which that's an inspired choice. He's he's

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menacing in all the goofy ways, and I kind of
dig him and he's like, oh, Chris Alice, it's I
just love the way he choose scenery. It's so fucking
he knows, he knows what.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Movie he's in, Agent Smith impression the whole time.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, yes, it's just yeah, it's so fucking But like
I said, the best thing about about After Life that
fucking score. Did not expect it to go that hard.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
I would say After Life and Retribution both have absolutely
standout scores.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Which is weird because like I remember when the first
one came out with like Marilyn Manson and I really
liked it. But honestly, I remember when I was listening
to this on Friday night, when I was just watching
this in preparation, I was like I could jam out
to this, like this is something like I could genuinely
throw on a playlist, where as the Resident Evil score

(22:41):
from the first movie maybe once in a while, but no,
there were some pretty good tracks off After Life's uh
scores like you know what, no notes, that's really really entertaining.
As goofy as the movie is, it's again doesn't have
a lot in common with the lore. And I think
once Paul ws Answered realized he wasn't constrained by Capcom's notes,

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like he didn't have to go to Shingy Mikami, the
guy who was in charge of Resonuevil for like forever,
they just like, hey, just make a movie, just make
us money. And I think that's the vibe that I
got from it. And I'm again, I'm weirdly okay with
it going in this direction until the next one, Retribution.

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So I guess closing thoughts on Afterlife, what do we think?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's the popcornist of them all?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's a great shoot him up, it's a great monster movie,
and the monsters actually look good in it too. I
will I like how it well they look, They look
better than they have.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
It feels like it got the effects, people got the
time to actually make it look good.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I like how essentially we're just introduced, like the Kim
Coates character, who is like a film producer at one
and before the fall up civilization. He then like steals
Alice's airplane, goes out to Arcadia, finds that it's an
umbrella trap, and just like westcro I work for you now,
wescs like sure, okay, just the the complete divorce of

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like anything resembling good sense, Like yeah, this guy just
happened to be on the plane and is willing to
sell his sell out anybody, everybody.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, he makes a good duab, but.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I mean, yeah, it's it's popcorn, it's bubblegum. I'm not
unsatisfied by it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it feels like the most direct to video of
all the Resident Evil movies. But that's not a bad thing,
which is kind of weird. Now retribution love it. I
have notes. Okay, So this brief story. So I saw
this in a small theater in a small place called Orangeville, Ontario.

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Not a huge place, about twenty twenty five thousand people whatever.
So I go there to this movie theater and I'm
and I'm watching this movie. All my favorite characters. I'm
seeing Ada, I'm seeing Leon, I'm seeing Barry. There's even
some deep cuts with the character of Sergey, and I'm thinking,
all right, this is pretty fucking cool. Wait what are

(25:12):
you doing? Stop? Stop? Please stop? Oh god, what the
fuck are you doing? And then the movie ends and
I walk out of the theater and I'm scowling. I
have a face, I've got that thousand yard fucking sniper stare.
Don't talk to me, and this bright, bright eyed kid, Hi, sir,
how is your movie? Fuck off? And I kept walking.

(25:33):
Now I feel terrible for telling that poor kid the
fuck off, but I was in such a foul mood
because the movie just totally shifts fucking tone in there
at the White House, Alice, I give you back your powers.
We must save the world against the Red Queen.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Fuck you, I was.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's a setup.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's a setup that doesn't give a ship in the
next movie like that, that's my Favorite's my favorite. Yeah,
your epic fucking closing of this movie. And then we
go into six and it's just like, so, anyway, he
betrayed us again, Macan, and I'm just like.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
It is it is sitting through Retribution where I'm like,
this series has literally beat me into submission. Yeah, this
is so stupidly bad that it's fun.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
To watch, although it's so strange because like, I went
down the rabbit hole to research this movie last night
and I found out the girl who plays Aida, I
can't remember the actress's name, like bing Ban or Leile
bing Bank, yeah, bing Bang. So sorry, fucked up. I'm
so sorry. I don't mean it, but I found out

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she can speak English, but she has a really thick accent.
So what they did is they had the woman who
does the voice of Ada from Residuval four come in
and redub her lines. You literally are getting video game Ada,
And I'm thinking, that's really fucking cool. I never knew that,
And that honestly gave this movie a big point in

(27:13):
my book because I never knew that costuming. Why she's
wearing her dress, I don't know. It looks cool, no notes,
I guess Barry's outfit. That's him right out of the
Resident Evil one remake on the GameCube. Yeah, it looked
fucking sick. I loved it. The actor was maybe not

(27:34):
as bulky as I would have expected for Barry, but
you know what, he looked.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Hefty, dude, but like he's as good as a.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Heavy Yeah, and then the guy that played Leon. I
was like, you know what, you got the coat right,
And I know that sounds really weird, but that's a
big part of his kid is his coat.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, we're burying the lead. I completely forgot that Ada
and Leon are in this fucking movie.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Oh yeah, Oh no, I remember. I remember they were
in this fucking movie.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And it's the only time they ever canonically meet Jill
in the series or in the main games. They never
canonically ever meet, which is kind of wild. And Yeah,
this movie leans heavy into the clone bullshit, which really
annoyed me because I was like, you're just replaying the
greatest hits. We're gonna do the laser grid bullshit. We're

(28:26):
gonna bring back one who was the lead guy who
led the team in Residuma, One, the big black dude.
You get Michelle Rodriguez, and I guess they realized, Hey,
you're really popular and fast in in the Furious Do
you want to come back?

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
That annoyed me to no end. And it's just like,
there are so many ideas here that I think are interesting,
like the idea of have of Umbrella having this secret
underground facility underneath the Russian ice cap or whatever reason,
and they're just cloning people by the fact to replicate
the outcome of the virus for reasons I guess, and

(29:07):
I don't know the setup for the scenario. It's interesting.
The execution is the most effective zombie killing weapon ever
is a bike lock. So very watchdogs too. It was like, okay,
you could see the wires when she's doing the flip
kicks in that hallway. Again, Alice, you want to defy physics, sure, honey,
go out and do it. I'm all for it. It's ridiculous.

(29:31):
But I think the thing that made me so mad
about this was the ending where we get Ata, we
get Jill, we get all these people on top of
the White House, and like I said, you get this
epic set up. What's gonna be what should be? This
awesome showdown? Now in the novelization for this again I did,
I did some research. Wesker kills Jill using his I

(29:53):
tentacle bullshit, Ada and Leon just straight up die and
Becky the kid is taking it into hiding because you
can't kill kids for some reason.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
You can do that in a book. You can't do
that right like you you can have that much of
a downer ending in a book. You cannot do that,
so I totally understand why that's not And that's one
of again the reasons I love novelizations. Is shit like
that right there?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, but I was like that, It's just it made
me so mad because again, Aida and Leon are huge
characters in the franchise, like they've both been around since
Resident Evil two. They really upped their anti in Residievil four,
and then when six came out, I was like, all right,
this is gonna be awesome. Plus having Sienna gil what
the fuck is her name? Gilray Miller Gilroy, Sienna Gilroy

(30:38):
gil Roy. So she comes back as Jill Cool. She
even has the outfit from Residentevil five where she's taken
over by the fucking scab thing. All right, cool, that
looks great, even though I want you guys to think,
watch how she handles her weapons. It looks like she's
holding squirt guns. It's like, you don't look holding these weapons.

(30:58):
And it's funny because if I'm not mistaken, she was
in the g I. Joe movie as the baron.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
No that was Miller.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Uh oh okay, wrong, Sienna, Yeah, sorry, it's it's weird
there's two.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
It's yeah, well she's the one that was she was
the princess in Aragon.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I guess holy shit, deep cut more you know. Oh
do you want me to give a perfect details? Please do?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
All right? So Resident Evil Retribution twenty twelve rated are
one hour and thirty five minutes, once again directed and
written by Paul W. Lanace Anderson. We have mel Jovovich,
Sienna Gilroy, Michelle Rodriguez. Oh sorry, lest Trent thought there
for a second, Wow, just kind of had like that

(31:51):
blue screen just pop up there for a second. That
was weird. Rated R. By the way, four sequences of
strong violence throughout. That is all we have as the
R rating. I think what's really the cell for me
in Retribution is it goes for the emotional aspect with
the whole daughter scenario, adding in, yeah, lives that you
need to live having this kind of almost it's not

(32:14):
until it's I mean no, no, no, it's more so
saying like how you have the time thing going on,
how you have these different scenarios going on, these different
lives in this movie. I like that because it kind
of gives us almost like a inception of Resident Evil,
and I kind of I kind of just like that
little add on to it. We get to have returning
characters like Rodriguez coming back and having the whole her

(32:35):
fucking line about why are you dressed like Abdia like
a BDSM Dominatrix, Like I love that line because no,
that's like if you're seeing that person for you know,
the first time in a long time, yeah, you'd have
that question. But no, I think the most respect of
the daughter in this is is a fantastic I don't
think the daughter.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Really it's resident evil inception because this comes out in
like twenty twelve, I want to say, so it's it's
like a couple of years after inception. So there you
can you can almost see Paul W. S Anderson sitting
in a theater in twenty ten going.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Say exactly, no, exactly. I think I think I.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Like Retribution a little bit more than everybody here, because
again I don't know the mythology of the video game.
So bringing in Aida and bringing in Leon and Barry
and and I'm literally reading the names because I don't
remember what.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Their characters are.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
But what I like about this is what you said,
It's like it's trying to go a little deeper on Alice.
It's like we've established Alice, I mean, succeed I not really,
But what I like is it's like this woman who
has been a blank slate this whole time. Pretty much
everything she knows is what's happened to her since the
beginning of the first movie. She a clone? Is she

(33:56):
a weapon?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Is she a what is she?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Who is it?

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Like all that stuff, And it's like, what if she
was a person? What if we treated her like a
person and we went into her owner life, and like
what if she was a mom and we made her
think she was a mom? Like how do you rectify
like your identity when like, are you the real Alice?
Running through this rat mace that they apparently send analyss
down every like half hour or something and see how

(34:20):
far she can get. I like the whole bringing back
like Colin Salmon, who's just it's just such a great presence,
just like a great like B movie guy you can
just plug in anywhere, bringing back outd Fair, Mishelle Rodriguez,
and even Seanna Gilroy who no mention to the fact
that she drove away at the end of part two,
and you know this is this is her first time back,

(34:47):
it feels like I don't know what was going on.
I didn't do a deep dive on the background and
the development on this because what you know, I don't
have that kind of time.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Like I couldn't be bothered to like I wanted to
bring some of that information to but I was just like,
I don't. I don't fuck it.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
But I mean, it feels like it feels like this
is like the part one of a two part finale,
and then they eventually decided to scramble the second part
of something completely different. But it feels like, remember all
these faces, remember all these friends we've made on the journey.
You know, we're gonna explore Alice a little, We're gonna
explore these people that she's known, and then we're going

(35:23):
to launch into this big epic finale and uh, we're
standing on the roof of the White House thing this
is our last stand. Well it wasn't the last stand,
but there was a stand after that. So I like
this for all the reasons that you know, it just
feels like we're cooking. We're trying things. Recipe doesn't working,
but we're trying things.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I care about. I care about characters, I care about characters,
the action.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I would rather I would rather watch Retribution again than
watch probably the.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
First bold statement.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, three, three might be number three would be watchable.
I think Retribution. I have fun watching how bad it is.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
There are parts of this movie that if you could
almost completely divorce this from the game's mythos entirely because
you only get one monster who shows up, and that's
the Uber Liquor, which okay, cool other than guy sounds.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Like a drunk like college kid. He's like, oh god,
with the Uber Liquors bag lick in my car man.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, It's like, it's it's interesting about how they bring
back the clone characters, and I like how Rain says
like I don't know you lady again. I like the
idea how they're trying to explot a little bit better.
It's just also a great Michelle for me.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Michelle Rodriguez knows what movie she's in.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
And that's kind of the joy that I get from her.
I feel like Carlos's character didn't get a lot to
do other than just look tough and get eaten in
the very beginning, which is again fine because like he's
an actor. I really like him. Ohhead fair whatever oded
Fair like, I like it, Like he's great and fucking
Star Trek Discovery. He's awesome in the Mummy movies, which

(37:25):
we'll have to talk about those at some point.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
But I need I need a second look, didn't get eaten?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
It was?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
It was that was the breaking point.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
All right, proceed But it's like, it's strange though, because like,
you can almost take out all the Resident Evil movies
here and you'd have an interesting and fun action movie. Well,
I said, for character, for people like me, for characters. Honestly,
having people named after people who have such a big
backstory and lore, it kind of sucks. But at the

(37:59):
same time, I'm getting Ada doing cool Aida like things
like hell, even the fight she has with Alice is
very reminiscent of the fight her on Leon have in
Resident Evil four, like where they have the whole hippy
kicky bullshit. And even with the zombies that are using
guns that are very similar to I can't remember them

(38:22):
their names. They're not lost Plagus zombies. They're like a
variant of it. In Resident Evil five, you run into
these guys, they're the ones. They're the zombies from Africa
where you get the progenitor virus. So again they're smarter.
They can use vehicles that they can use weapons. All right,
that's kind of neat. Like I said, there are interesting
parts about this. There are certain performances and this that

(38:43):
I really really really like. I just don't like what
it did to the lore. And I think that's one
thing I've learned about Resident Evil and adapting certain things
to a different medium. I have to learn to let
shit go. You only have an hour and a half,
maybe an hour and twenty minutes for these typical types
of projects to get in, get out, have fun, make

(39:05):
your money, show some cool shit, move on. Whereas a
video game, you're spending eight, ten or more hours with
a character watching things develop. You have time to build
up tens and you have time to fill in the
world with like audio logs or little things or little
quips as they're fighting these things. Like I know more
about Leon and Claire and all these characters from playing

(39:25):
the video games than I ever did from the movies,
because I think one of the big things I've walked
away from these movies is they're not meant for me.
And that's where I'm trying to find that it's okay
because I realized I'm not the overwhelming public. That's why
I'm never I'm probably never gonna get a video game
adaptor or not a movie adaptation that'll do dungeons and dragons. Well,

(39:50):
I'll get something that'll do okay, like Honor among Thieves
that it's so accessible to everybody. But I'm not gonna
get the deep lore that I want. I'm not gonna
get the Ella Minster is not gonna show up. I'm
not gonna get the perfect dragon Lance movie. I'm never
gonna get the perfect thing I want. Like, for example,
if we ever talk about the Transformers movie on here,

(40:10):
there are parts of those movies I like and parts
of those movies I really don't, but I'm never gonna
get that. And it's so strange that different facets of
media can be made for different people, Like, for example,
some people really like the Halo TV show. I myself
am kind of among that except for the first season.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
And it's just and now here in the US they're
on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, inevidently that show is really kind of blown up,
which is kind of weird. It's like super popular, but
too late.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Anything anything that hits Netflix becomes super popular. It's just AFL.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
That is not true. That is not true at all.
Shit gets Netflix a lot.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Stuff gets buried on Netflix. However, when it comes to
from another network, from another network, a lot of times
they end up coming a hit on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, kind of like Star I would say, I would
say it is.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
But yeah, if it has a big enough ip and
people have heard of it but aren't willing to subscribe
to the obscure service it is in. When it hits Netflix,
people watch it.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
See weird side tangent on that. I like, like, do
you guys remember that there used to be a Batman
series that involved uh Alfred, oh, the the Alfred people. Yeah,
I wonder if that's done. Yeah, I wonder if that
would have done better on Netflix because it would have

(41:43):
been in so many more homes.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
As I was a bit, I think it was a hit.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
It was a hit for that.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
It was a hit for that.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Hit by the writer strike.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
It maybe hit by the writers, it got hit by
the writer's strike, but also it was during MGM merger.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, so it wasn't fault of the show on that one.
That was just unfortunate timing, which you know, and as
I've gotten older and looked back into a lot of
TV shows I love and wonder why like they had
and for certain reasons. I mean, even a great example
is I revisited the entire run of Twin Peaks this year,
and you watched the second season of Twin Peaks. You know,
they saw of Laura's murder spoilers, They saw Laura's murder

(42:24):
nine episodes into a twenty two episode season. So now
you're left with half of the season left and they
have to fill it with all this stuff. And Lynch
fought really really hard against that. That happens, like, not
that specific thing, but that shit happens a lot like.
There is a multitude of reasons why series get canceled,
and it sometimes has nothing to do with its popularity.
And Pennyworth, as somebody that watched the first season of

(42:46):
Pennyworth underrated show. The world building that that show did,
you know, with the little influences of Gotham that it had,
Pennyworth is absolutely worth a watch if you haven't seen
it now.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
The reason I bring that up is because I was
just talking about adaptations broad general audiences and changing how
you adapt things. I kind of would like to know
what the thought process, because I think all of us
here are some sort of a film creative and some capacity.
Like Dave, you worked on films, that's ken you're a

(43:19):
student of film, Adam saying with you, you guys understand
the world film way better than me. So I guess
my question to the panel is how does stuff get
changed in translation to I wouldn't say, alienate fans like
me who know things like super deep, and how do
you adapt that to bring more people in? Basically, why
do people like me get left behind to bring in

(43:42):
Joe Sixpack and his family?

Speaker 4 (43:46):
The idea of adaptation is such a tricky beast because
sometimes you can bring in a lot of lore and
bring in a lot of external functions and make it
go oh hey, I like this. It's just a matter
of getting the right mindset of setting something up that

(44:10):
even if you don't necessarily get it, like Warcraft, for example,
the Warcraft movie is full of all this deep, deep lore,
but the core, like the idea, is to keep the
core of whatever you are adapting and bringing that to
the big screen to both satisfy the regular audience and

(44:33):
the fans. And I think there are there are a
handful of adaptations where I go, you got the core,
and that's why I think it's successful. However, you did
change a lot of things, and you can still change
those things when you keep that core. And the problem

(44:56):
I think with this Resident Evil Alice six, I forget
the word for six films, but this saga franchise, Yeah,
I'll just call it Saga the Alice. The thing with
the Alice Saga is that it doesn't keep the core

(45:17):
of the franchise. It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I mean, I think Retribution is, without a doubt, the
most here's some studio Notes movie. But the thing was,
I think at this point we didn't really care so
much because established establishment of Alice, and I think Alice
being our central for this, and then adding in Ada
and adding in Leon, it was kind of like, oh,
let's make that. Let's make the kids happy at home

(45:41):
with the video games. Let's see if we can get
them back. So it didn't work, all right, let's do
the sixth one. I think this is legitimately the most
studio notes movie. But I think it worked because it
would we didn't give a shit, Like it was like
you gave those characters in But also we were here
the franchise movies at this point, we're here proud.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah again the franchise be it's also a tie.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
For these things too that you know, something new comes out,
it gets adapted. You know, com book movies like if
the like in the era of like major combook movies
started in the nineties. After Tim Burton's Batman, they were
just grabbing titles and just like putting them like, oh,

(46:22):
like the.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Wall, We got stuff like The Phantom, the Spirit.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
You know, pretty much any Batman movie after the first Batman,
you know, even the first X Men movie to an extent,
it's that's like they're not gonna buy you know, them
running around in blue Spandexo have to make fun of
the fact that they have code names and all this
other stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
And then as it wasn't taking it wasn't it was
it weren't take going. We don't believe the audience is
going to respect that comics, so we're going to do
our own thing and win.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
It's a purely a business decision, and it's like, we
know people recognize the name, but what we're what we're
the business we're banking on is that not everybody who's
going to fill a theater is going to be the
hardcore Resident Evil person who knows all the characters, knows
oh the lore. Chances are, at best eighty percent of
them are going to be like, well, I recognize Resident Evil.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
That is a video game thing, So if they made a.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Movie based on a video game, it must be compelling.
And I think that's it's it's just business.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
We're in movie We're in movie five at this point.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, I mean, like, do do you do you think
that the fans of the game are still following you
at this point, Mike, is my point. I think if
you were a hardcore fan of the game, you either
fell off after two or you're sure as shit fell
off after three. I don't know if you necessarily stuck
with it unless you became a fan of both the
games and the movies, which is entirely possible because I mean,
it's a property that has got notoriety for multitude of reasons.

(47:56):
But I think with retribution it works on anybody that
has stuck with at this point, because I think, speaking
from a standpoint of three, four, and five are just
the run of the fun ones of the series. Yes,
I think those three in a row are great and
then the others are just kind of here. Uh you know,

(48:17):
I think five is really the last bastion of a
balls to the wall shoot them up that knows what
we're doing. We have cool monsters, we have returning characters
that you still love and care about. And then we
get into six and six literally forgot what this franchise
was about.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, Like, this one just felt like we're just gonna
we are gonna go all in. Hopefully you're gonna have
a good time. And again, it kind of sucks that
fans like me got left behind. But I'm not the
target audience for this. I'm not the one going in
with zero expectations and having a fun action thrill movie.

(48:58):
Right Like, I wh into these movies wanting lore and
to see my favorite characters adapted, and truth be told,
I got that with one ish, two for sure, three
not really four okay, And this one, I said, I
got all the characters that I wanted, but not in
the setting that I wanted. And I don't think Paul W.

(49:20):
S Anderson, given his currents directing style at the time,
could have done that.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I don't think he thought he was gonna be able
to get this movie I'm gonna be honest. I don't
think he ever thought six was actually gonna fall into
his lab.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
I six hurt, me, six hurt.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, it's it's you know what's weird. I liked it
more than I thought I would in certain aspects.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm gonna be perfectly honest. I went into this movie
trying to like it so hard because I wanted to
spite Yeah, I wanted I wanted to I wanted to
spike Kens because of a message we had in our
chat where he was like, well, I just moved it
to like my number one or my half star list. Yep, yeah,
it was like my one star list, one star list, okay,

(50:07):
you said. And so I was like, okay, well, I'm
gonna go into this and I'm probably gonna love it.
And I remember it got to a certain point, yeah,
I'll say in this, I'll say in these aspects of
it this way. It got to a certain point where
it was just like, what are we doing? Are we
making this a family film? Are we making this like
an emotional family film?

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Like, Oh, Alice, you could have gone out of the
apocalypse all along, you had the power all along. The
Red Queen was always insulted, like, what the fuck is
going on?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Yeah, that plot that it was at that plot twist
that I said fuck you movie.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, I think I actually said fuck you movie too.
On my porch actually, because I was I watched both four,
five and six on my porch one night.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
There were parts of this movie I thought were interesting,
like the idea of that the clone or sorry that
Alice is a clone of Alicia. Is that her name? Yes, Angela? Yeah, Alicia,
And then the there was a line that really kind
of made me like this movie more than I thought

(51:14):
it would. It's like, she the Red Queen says to Alice,
she gave you her memories so you could see the
childhood you never had, and you gave her the opportunity
to see the woman she would have become. And I'm like,
that's kind of interesting. I kind of don't hate that,

(51:34):
cause in the games there's a character named Angela Ashford
or the Ashford person sucks. But they try to ret
con it where like they start throwing in all these
references to the games, Like they even mentioned the Rclay
Mountains at one point, which is where the first game
took place at the Arclay Mancer and the Spencer and
this and the Spencer Estate. Okay, cool, whatever, but then

(51:58):
they randomly bring back doctor Isaac's That's where the cloning
shit gets a little ridiculous. And I loved him in
Game of Thrones, I can't fucking stand him in these movies.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Ian Glenn at least utters probably the best line in
the movie, which is the Trinity of Bitches united in
Marhat Trade.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yes, yes, that, I will totally grant you. It's just
it's so weird seeing this knowing it's coming to and end.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
There is kind of a neat fight sequence where they
fight in like this underground locker room thing with all
these meat hooks hanging around, fighting some monster I clearly
don't recognize from the fucking games. I'm like, okay, maybe
that was in Resident Evil six, and I forget. I
don't know that was a thing. Seeing Ruby Red in
this was kind of surprising. I didn't expect to see her, Yeah,

(52:52):
and then she radomly gets cut into a fucking fail
like you just killed bat Woman.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I think the I think the number one thing in
regards to the horror of this movie is what Ken
has already alluded to, not only was there a terrible
stunt on this movie, but the fucking shots left in
the movie.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Man, Yeah, yep, yeah, that is what why.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I mean, I get it like it looks real, uh,
because it fucking was.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
But and then also someone actually lost.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Their life in yeah, the production of this well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
But thankfully thankfully that wasn't on film.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
No, but like even even the thing that's on film,
that woman lost her arm. That woman lost her arm
because of carelessness on a movie. You left the shot
in the movie. And then also, if I remember correctly
reading into a little bit more of it, like there
was some there was some legal stuff that had to
be pursued in order for her to get payments properly.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, like they originally only offered her something around thirty
thousand dollars. Now, fortunately she was able to renegotiate that.
Thank god. Losing your leg or losing a limb sucks.
I can speak for no.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
One ever, No one should ever get hurt on the
film set. I mean that, yeah, we we unfortunately just
a few years ago saw the Russ tragedy with you know,
the with the cinemat Baldwin. But I'm trying to think
of her name, but she was the cinematographer. Cinematographer that
was that was fatally shot accidentally by Boldwin and you

(54:27):
know it was. It's been a horrible thing. That movie
is out now. By the way, I've not heard anybody
you really watch.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
It, But okay, I will just say the movie is
about a shooting. Like literally, it's hard to it's hard
to disconnect the backs, the behind the scenes ship from
the actual movie because the movie is just directly of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
So, I mean you know that famously we had Brandon Lee.
Of course you those are all firearm related. But my
point being is that you've got stunt people in every
industry and fast that you can think of when it
comes to these movies, TV shows, all that stuff that
get injured and whatnot. To lose a shot in, yeah,
is despicable. I'm just gonna say that.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Especially when it especially when you changed the shot at
the last minute.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Which caused the accident. Like that's the whole thing. It's
just like I but yeah, going going more further into that,
my biggest issue with this movie is, I know what
happened in it in regards of like where it ended
in like the central starting of it everything in the
middle is gone because to be honest, I just there
was not anything grabbing me in this movie that was

(55:43):
just like, okay, this is this is decent, Like it
was at best a fine and then, like like Ken said,
we get to that part and it was just like no, man,
like fuck this like this movie sucks. Like and I again,
I wanted to come on this show and be like,
you know what, can I just think you don't like movies? No, Like,
it's this movie. This movie's garbage, man, this movie is wet,

(56:06):
hot garbage.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I also just forgetting what her superpowers were.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, they're Why did we need to see her older
in a wheelchair? What part of that movie benefited from
Mila Yoviovic and age makeup as a as an older counterpart?
Like what why was that a part of this movie?

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Or the fact or the fact that The Red Queen
is apparently based off Alice now instead of what they were,
like it retcons so many things.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, like there's there was a video that I watched
today and it totally made sense. Each time the ending
to these movies sets something up, it is immediately retcon
by the end of the movie. I watched.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Content yeah, well, I mean retribute and literally, like my
my intro to the show, I was trying to do
the retribution thing of My name is Alice. I've worked
for the Umbrella Corporation. I love that these movies literally know,
they're just like, hey, guys, we we gave them a
lot in this movie. So from this point on, anytime
we start one of these, Alice has to directly address

(57:16):
the audience of what has been happening previously on Resident Evil,
like we need to make sure that that is stable.
I mean that's what movie. Yeah, we are.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Impossible movies too.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Essentially, when he gets the mission at the beginning of
like the lot of movies, it's like, yeah, cap what
they absolutely do.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Which, by the way, as somebody that just watches, I
haven't finished Dead Reckoning or Final Reckoning, so I haven't
seen those two yet. But who was actually caught up?
Now to those movies. That's a great fucking series.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yes it is. I love We will talk about those
next year because I love those movies, especially the first one.
First one's my favorite. But ye, I remember texting Dave.
It's like I think it was like three o'clock this morning.
I was like, holy shit, this is info dump the
fucking movie. What the fuck? I was mildly annoyed at this,

(58:04):
but then again, like I said, as as final chapter
went on, I started to like it more and more,
although a little I can't. I like the idea of
what the movie sets up at the end where she
shatters the only thing of anti virus and she says
it's it's gonna kill anything with the T virus, but
it will take years to reach the rest of the planet.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
I there's there's a thing then in this movie where
it's like somebody I guess it's Paul W. S Anderson
as like the main creative, where he's like he was
on vacation and he's like, it would be really interesting
if Red Queen Alice, and then there was like an
older character and they were like a trinity and like
gonna I'm gonna work back from that.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
And I think you're missing I think you're missing one
key sound effect of that what if.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Yeah, I believe that, But I'm to call this garbage.
I think is uh, they're all garbage, and you're you're
either with the garbage.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Or no final final chapters.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
In the next level, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say,
I get, I get where the I get where the
defense comes for this movie because it is not. I
will say this is not an unwatchable film. No, this
film actually does have things. It does have things you
can enjoy. There are things like along for the ride.
It's not a point where you're sitting there just like,

(59:33):
oh my god, I wish something would happen. Things englenn
is try Glenn. Yeah, things things.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Glenn brings what this series has been missing, which is
like the crazy religious guy who's like basking in the
crapulence of all of this, at least one of the
one of the characters, one of the clones he's playing
one of the Isaacx's where he's like quoting scripture and
talking about the flood. It's like, I we needed more
of that all along. This feels like it's like, how

(01:00:01):
in the sixth film, after we've set an entirely different
movie up, all of these great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Ideas I should have been setting up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
From the beginning are coming to fruition, And you know what,
I'm just gonna make the movie about that. And it's
I think I'm I not discounting any of the points
that have been made sure there you know, it is
throwing everything out, including the baby with the bathwater. It's
doing something that was never set up or bringing by.

(01:00:31):
Claire never explained how she got off the Arcadia, which
was like firebombs, everyone on board killed. Also the whole
thing like everyone on Earth is going all the humans
left on Earth will die at this exact moment seems
a little far fetched, but do find this like It's propulsive.

(01:00:53):
It's one of the things that really helps an action
movie is a ticking time clock. The best of those,
like Divinch Code movies are the ones with the ticking
time clock where we have to get stuff done by midnight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh, I mean a clock. A clock counting down is
the ultimate drive up for your audience as well as
you know, just in general.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
But I think writing it's a screenwriter one for sure
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I think. I think the problem with that I have
with Final Chapter as a as a whole, both for
the cap of the series, but also with how long
the movie took to come out, what it had set
up previously and what we got. I think my biggest
problem is you could have condensed your problems by this
point into something smaller to where the effect of it
would have been larger, If that makes sense. I think you.

(01:01:36):
I think you tried to. I'm going to take over
the world, mister Bond in this movie. When we've had
three movies in a row, now that kind of seem
like that. Like Umbrella is obviously the the huge villain
in these movies, there's no disputing that. But I think
at the same time, you lose the fact that you're
fighting monsters and zombies because half the time we're hunting

(01:01:57):
down this bastard that can't wear sunglasses properly and always
wears outside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Which is kind of strange. Because Wesker in the games
was always this big overarching threat. He became more of
a big deal in Code Veronica, where where he became
Chris's nemesis, and and Code and Resonable five, Chris punches
a boulder and launches him into lobby. It's a thing,

(01:02:22):
and it's weird, and this one, Wesker's just kind of
there is like a secondary boss character.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
He's a mister Smith. He's a He's a mister Smith
like knockoff almost is what it feels like. But I
think it works once again though, because he he does
do a good performance with what he's got and you
know in the dog stuff at the continuation of the
dogs in these movies. Yeah, it's it's a bit weird.
But at the same time, I think they shine in

(01:02:48):
four and five, especially six with with the character of
where with the with the whole the whole combination of
trying to take down this whole big concept of knocking
over the world and everything. It's too big for this movie.
It is too big for this movie. This is the
final conclusion we should be isolating in on a story
that is essentially Alice stopping them and that's it. Not

(01:03:10):
anything like it want wider than that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah, we wanted it. It feels like it wanted to
be bigger than it should have been.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, and especially not giving us any closure in what
happens the series mainstays in the beginning because I think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
The time Chris Redfield is basically gone from this franchise
for no fucking reason after yeah movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
And that's a tragic because Wentworth Miller I think could
have done a lot more had he been given a
chance to actually do it. But yeah, it's like there
were parts of this movie where I'm like, I genuinely
like what I have to do or I generally like
parts of this, and which is kind of surprising because,
like I said, can I saw you hate it, Dave,

(01:03:53):
I saw You're like, I'm gonna fucking love it. And
when I went in with it, I was like, I
don't hate this as much as I thought I was
going to. I got an interesting conclusion to a story
I didn't think I wanted to see the ending two
and I don't know, I'm I guess I get the
fact that Paul wants to make his wife cool and

(01:04:14):
she can still do an amazing physicality as of two
thousand and seventeen. Then she went on to New Monster Hunter,
and I think she did something like fairly recently as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
The last time I saw her in a major role
was when she was in the hell Boy reboot with David.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Oh Oh, that's right, hell Boy movies at some point.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
I like that rebake. I don't love it, but I
like it for I think. I think it's fun for
what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
But man, it's a it's a lower coaster kind of
she's she's it's a hard, hard she wasted, And I
don't know why they thought people were going to go
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Oh, but I mean so is totally so is Angelina Jolian.
What was that one? For those who wish me dead?
She's in the hills with the flyers being started and whatnot,
and there's a gangs but she's good in it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
But based on it's a remake of a French film,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, Or you could say it's a remake of Howie
Long's Firestorm from nineteen ninety three, which is, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
My, let me tell you did not have that on
my twenty twenty five Bingo card to get that reference movie.
I guess final thoughts on this, I mean, obviously we're
gonna come back with one more brief show to kind
of rank these things. But looking at the three, what
are our final thoughts on these?

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I mean, I think as as these three with with four, five,
and six, I think you have two good movies and
one that is just like you know, Paul W. Sanderson
you did okay with We're gonna put that movie on
the fridge for everyone to see. That's basically how I

(01:05:59):
how I see. It's like, oh, buddy, you completed your saga.
Good job. It's terrible. But I digress. I think I
think four, five, and six are predominantly where you're gonna
have the most fun of the series. I would still,
and I'll say this in the ranking episode already. Three,
four and five are definitely the better of this in
my opinion, But four, five and six are straight up

(01:06:21):
shoot them up monster movies with more plot extension. But
if you don't care, it doesn't matter, because again, Alice
is gonna spoonfeed it to you at the beginning of
the movies. And that's not a slight to these. It's
more so being like, hey, we know the audience is
dealing with a lot of info dumps, so here's this.
I think four, five and six are the better half
of this series. I think this is exactly what more

(01:06:43):
people wanted from the Resident Evil games into the movies,
is this shoot them up style of it. And I
think it's also where you have your core creation of Alice.
Being aware of what Alice is. You don't have to
jump every movie with her being a bunch of clones.
I think the fact that they also started to abandon
the clone thing towards the end of four into five

(01:07:03):
was a good move because that was getting really fucking exhausting.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah, I'd say for me, as a residuevil lore purist,
they suck. But what I mean by that is these
are different. If you look at the idea of Resident
Evil as a sandbox, here's a concept, here's a few
recognizm on names, characters, and ideas. Go have fun. Cause
they're two separate trilogies One two three try to adapt

(01:07:27):
parts of the game with middling success. These ones take
the idea of Resident Evil and they almost get spun
off into its own multiverse of whatever. And I had
more fun watching them when I separated myself from the
lore that I was so so beholden to. Again, it's

(01:07:49):
hard because, like I get, I want to say, oh
I hate this, and part of me's angry at it.
But again, I can see everybody's points here, Like if
you go to have fun with these and you have
a shoot them up fun monster movie, I can't think
of any other film series that does this well. Like

(01:08:09):
it takes the idea of the ridiculous zombie infinite Ammo
Ninja chick kicking ass and just plays it completely straight
while also having a few goofy one liners and some
pretty solid b actors come in and do their like thing.
So I mean, on one hand, I didn't expect to
enjoy it as much as I did. I wish I
got a straighter adaptation. But as I mentioned in our

(01:08:32):
last episode, Welcome to Raccoon City tried to cram two
game storylines into one. And that's the same guy who
directed forty seven Meters Down and its sequel, So he
knew the assignment and he crammed a lot of cool
shit into it, but it wasn't cohesive, whereas Paul W.
S Anderson, Hey, let's test the fun guys, and it's

(01:08:53):
not cohesive, but it still works. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, they're solid B movies.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
There's money in them, they're not necessarily you know, putting
it all up there. You know, as we mentioned, there's
you know, some pretty serious cost cutting in some quarters.
But at the end of the day, yeah, these are
just fun movies. If you don't care about the lore,
you know, this serves you well. I find them fun.

(01:09:24):
They're just a good watch there, you know, it's a treat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
They're there and they're gone.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
And the thing I really appreciate is like in the
last ten years of like IP driven entertainment, where it's
like we're building we're building up the things we're building
one chapter on the other. It's just nice to be
able to just you can throw on any Resident Evil
movie and you don't have to wonder, like, where is
this in the timeline, because, as said, Alice pops up

(01:09:50):
to say, Hi, I'm Alice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Here's what's been going on lately.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
And second, it doesn't even matter because by the time
you get to the end of the movie, you're at
a plot point that will be immediately discarded by minutes
into the next movie. It's just it's I don't I
don't know if you want to call that a reward,
but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I mean, it's it's it's Alice. I mean, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Series Alice explains it all featuring not Melissa, Joe and Hart.
We get Alice explains it all with machine guns. Sure, so, guys,
that's gonna do it for this edition of Loose Cannon.
That's part of our Halloween coverage, and we're gonna be
coming back with our rankings of the series, much like

(01:10:36):
we did with our Halloween franchise. And then we're kind
of discussing what we're gonna do as an extra holiday special.
I'm still trying to get the timing lockdown to do
a show with Enrique Kuto of Weekly Spooky and obviously
recent Horror Hall of Fame Inductee, we're gonna be talking
with James Rolf the Angry Video. I know that guy.

(01:10:56):
He's my life coach. So anyway, so anyway, guys for
loose Cannon. From the Great Royal City of Guelph. We
have been out of Maydonaldson, from the place beyond the Veil,
otherwise known as Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
David Denier and this is myself saying if you want
to have a good time with the resident evil movies three,
four and five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
And finally from the Garden State of New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Ken from this animey and oh God, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I've been Mike the Birdman saying we all died down here.
We'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
When the T virus spread across the Earth, it did
so at the speed of the modern world, carried by
jetliners across the globe. The anti virus is airborne, spread
by the winds. You could take years for it to
reach every corner of the Earth. Until then, my work.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Is not done.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Are either one of these any good sir? What are
either one of these any good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
I don't watch movies.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Quick change the child.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
You're wasting your life making shit. Nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
These movies are terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
You're still here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
It's over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Go home, Go

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