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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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(00:53):
up all the time. Naowe day a day a day?
Dum jump jump up. Hey, guys, what's going on? You
are listening to this week in Geek And I'm your host,
Mike the Birdman, who's now a year older.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Go me.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But I'm not alone. As I truck through this birthday
edition of the podcast, I'm joined by my compatriot, my brother,
the guy who makes sure the lights are on here
on the podcast from the lovely city of Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Alex the producer.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it is a quiet day here in Gwelph. Just
kind of kind of a low key birthday today, and
I'm kind of okay with that all things considered. Yeah,
so today I turned forty four. Over the course of
the last couple of weeks, I've been chatting with people
and they're like, hey, you look really young. I'm like, so,

(01:52):
how old do you think I am? The youngest response
I got was early or sorry, mid to late twenties.
Most consistently, I get early to mid thirties, so I
guess I look really I guess I've got like a
baby face. I guess, although I have been joking, I'm

(02:16):
gonna look really young until I'm fifty, and then I'm
just gonna turn into wise old Indian. At some point,
I'll get long hair, I'll turn really wrinkly and leathery
skin and uh yeah, and that's.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Every month that you age after the age of fifty,
you'll gain a new wrinkle.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, exactly. It's really weird how I've just like stayed
so young. But yeah, it's like kind of funny, how
like I've just been able to maintain this like youthful
kind of like appearance and stuff. I mean, like obviously,
it's like I have a routine now, just try not
to suck, try to be a good person, try to

(02:52):
be young, and yeah, it's worked kind of nice. I
went to Starbucks for my birthday drink. I got a
cinnamon toast crunch coffee. It tastes like cereal milk. It's
really interesting. It's pretty good though. Other than that, I
treated myself to I went to a local game shop

(03:15):
and I picked up a bunch of Switch games. I
grabbed coffee talk for the Switch Zombies eight, my Neighbors, Persona,
five Royal Persona, five Strikers, Persona four Golden and King
of Fighters thirteen. And I've had a couple people send
me gifts from my Amazon wishless, so big thanks to
those people that did. One of them is actually hiring

(03:36):
me to run Star Trek for them as my professional DM.
So they got me lower Croft tomb Raider Remastered one
to three. Oh cool and yeah, and then the other one.
I don't know who sent this yet. Someone got me
the thing Remastered Deluxe Edition on the Switch, the Collector's Edition.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
If nobody wants to claim it, you can say it's
for me, even though.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I also got three light up Glow in the Dark
dice in a Glow in the Dark Dice Tower, so
that's really cool. And a bunch of other little things.
My friend Calvin took me to a comedy show put
on sex t Rex. They're a group at Toronto who

(04:22):
do an improv D and D thing they're at the
Comedy Bar, I think, like the first Sunday of every month,
and they are fucking hysterical. Easily the best improv D
and D group I've ever seen by far. I mean
like they're totally not serious, Like you're not up there
for like four hours doing actual roles. You're like, they'll

(04:44):
do crowd participation, you roll the dice, you shout out suggestions.
So they took my suggestion of having a Tobaccy, which
is a cat person wild magic face sorcerer, and I
think I rolled the critical seduction role for them and
I rolled a nineteen, which I think was the highest

(05:06):
roll of the night, so that was really fun. I
went with my friend Calvin. He got me these cookies
from Crumble I think it is, and I was like,
that's really fucking awesome. And then you got me this
awesome CD drive for my laptop, which will be surprisingly useful,
some mega rand CDs because I thought I lost these

(05:27):
years ago. She got some new copies, so very pleased
with that, and yeah, like overall, it's been a very
solid birthday. I'm I'm pretty pleased because normally I have
not great experiences with it, but I've been trying to
overcome that. I'm actually gonna talk with my therapist about
this on Wednesday and just kind of see what's what.

(05:47):
Was going to go see Black Phone two tonight, but
I might go see that maybe later on in the week.
I did want to send a shout out to fuck
I'm gonna mispronounce it. It was like O head or he's
a guy that he's been a big fan of Twig
for years. He actually got me a picture of my
first sona earlier this year. Is like a random gift

(06:11):
because I told him about my like D and D character,
and I'm like, you know what, some of this furry
stuff does look pretty cool. I'm not going down that
fandom very deep, but on the surface there's some really
cool stuff I've discovered and some really neat artists. So
he had a friend to his doop my persona as
my D and D character, and it's like, that looks

(06:33):
fucking sick. So my character and let's.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Be let's be honest when it comes to you and
and fans, the fans know annunciations of names and words
are not your thing.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well yeah, and it's weird. I actually found out there's
a met there's maybe not a medical it's like a
psychological thing. So I have a hard time understand understanding accents.
And I'm just like, oh my god, I'm I'm a
fucking terrible person.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And we're not talking. We're not just talking for anybody listening.
It's not just like hey, uh, you know, a very
very thick accent from an obscure country. It's not that
like you'll have trouble understanding like people from other states
or provinces.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, And I think I think that I think it's
called apraxia or something. It's it's something abraxia. And my
wife Blair was telling me about it's like, yeah, like Mike,
you have sometimes understanding people from like, uh, like Louisiana
or even like really deep deep Texas accents. And I think,
I'm like, oh shit. He's like no, no, no, You're actually

(07:37):
not a terrible person. There's a reason for this.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
No. Yeah, Like I've been over your place and you've
heard somebody who was clearly Australian and you thought they
were British, yeah, or vice versa. And I'm like, no,
it's like obviously and to you sometimes you said you
can't hear the difference between those.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, like it's just really hard for me. So so yeah,
I was like, but anyway, Yeah, this guy's been really
really really supportive. I'm always glad to like chat with
him on Facebook. So oh head, I've really sorry if
I messed up your name. I even had you send
me an audio recording before we recorded so I could
hear it a few times. But you and I got

(08:16):
deep into inside baseball and we just got really really
really busy. Other than that, though, what else have I
been doing? Yeah, so I went to the comedy show.
I've been volunteering. I actually volunteered this morning. On my birthdays.
I'm like, you know what, my best gift is giving back,
So I'll go do that today. And yeah, just a

(08:39):
lot of just getting stuff ready for the holiday Gift Guide.
I've been getting stuff ready because next weekend. This coming
weekend in Gwelph, on the twenty fifth, I'm running as
part of GRIFFCN. They do a one day convention that
happens in the fall, So I'm going to be demoing
Star Trek Adventures Na Alien the RPG for part of

(09:01):
that night and afternoon, and then I'm recording with Adam
Donelson from Loose Cannon. I'm doing his show where we
basically we do like this horror movie draft and I'll
be posting more details on the socials with that. But
that's definitely going to be available on ninety three point

(09:22):
three CFRU probably before Halloween, and as soon as that
goes up, we'll make sure to link it on our socials.
And yeah, I've been recording with the boys. We just
finished the Resident Evil thing. We were going to record
hocus Pocus or not hocus Pocus, Beatlejuice, beat Us until
you told me, Hey, Mike, you're actually overly You've actually
done too much content with Halloween.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
We have run out of weeks.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, you're like, can you stop? Like, oh shit, I
thought I had to fill more time.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So basically for free to be listening, we've you've been
hearing every Sunday we have a Halloween special episode. And
if you noticed on a calendar tech technically there's one
weekend left. We happen to have three shows, so we
have enough shows to put out throughout the Halloween week,

(10:10):
but anymore and we wouldn't have like enough days in
a week.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, so that's really great to know that I'm ahead
of stuff. I know. I did a bunch of recording
for reviews for you, so you heard a bunch of
that for our Thanksgiving show. We got a bunch of
stuff this week. I know for me, this week you're
hearing Silent Hill f from Kanami because it's spooky season.
That makes sense to me. And I'm not sure what

(10:35):
else you're going to be using in this show. I'm
not either.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'll have to go through. We've got a few things
that we've been recording and have sort of ready to go.
It's just it's a matter. I had something I was
going to be talking about here for sure originally, and
then I had to get some clarification from the company
that produces it because I had questions that I didn't
want to come out with a review and then not
have all the information I needed.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
If that makes it sense, it does, yeah, totally. So
that's what I've been doing.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
What have you been up to, well, other than hanging
out with you and doing birthday stuff and the review stuff,
not a whole heck of a lot. It's been try
I took basically the last four or five days to
try to decompress from the amount of stuff we had
on the go in the last month. It's like we
got back from our break and it was like, oh

(11:25):
my god, it was like we had a whole bunch
of homework. We forgot about that sort of thing. I've
also been slowly working a little bit on getting prepped
for us to launch a new version of the website
and come in the new year, we'll be revamping a
bunch of stuff. And I've just been spinning ideas there.
Beyond that, not a heck of a lot. I did
go and see The Smashing Machine, the rock movie is

(11:50):
not good, and then I should be seeing, as of
this recording this week, the Keanu Reeves movie. My mother
actually said, would you like to take me to go
see the Keanu Reeves movie? And I was like, Okay,
so we're gonna go see that. And that's that's pretty
much been in I've been trying to keep it like

(12:11):
pretty chill and not high stress. No stress October is
a good idea.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, It's like it's weird. It feels like for a
broke tober, this feels kind of quiet in some ways,
and I'm kind of okay with that.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's I swear it's because GTA was moved.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, I kind of forgot.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
When when GTA was gonna miss the summer and fall
and was moved to next summer. Uh, things had already
moved out of its way. So I feel like, you know,
there's some games that we didn't have a chance to
check out yet.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But also movies got moved too, weren't we.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, we're fucking Mortal Kombat was supposed to come out
this week.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I was gonna say, weren't we supposed to be seeing
moratl Kombat this week? Weren't we supposed to be seeing
something else that got moved? Wasn't there like a Marvel
or DC thing that got pushed?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
It wasn't the Batman too, And it wasn't Clay Faced, but.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Got pushed the whole extra year.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, there was something that got pushed Blade. Maybe it
was maybe that.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well Blade Blade is supposed to have been coming out
the last few years.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Twenty nineteen is when that got announced.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think, Yeah, was it clay Face that got moved?
Wasn't that supposed to be the Fall?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think they're filming it now, But yeah, like it
was like there was something.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
There was there was another Marvel or DC thing that
was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Now I know, I know, Marvel Zombies came out as
a animated thing and it's like four episodes and it's
honestly worth a watch.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And don't forget Spider Man got moved too.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, Spider Man got moved to next summer, which now
there's well we can talk about that during the news
because there is stuff starting to come out about that.
But yeah, this is kind of a low key quiet
broke Tober and I'm fine with that, Like, I just
I don't I don't need the stress and I'm fine, Like,
we don't have a COD launching in October. We like

(14:06):
we've got Battlefield. Yeah, I guess battlefields here.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We're still on the fence about whether or not we're
going to be able to cover that and if we
if we do, just timing wise, you know, at least
this isn't a case of like COD and Battlefield coming
out in the same week or something.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
But yeah, things got shifted around. I don't feel like
a lot of the big companies have a big quote
unquote fall game.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Like there's there's there's somewhat big games, but like you know,
in previous years, there'll be like a really big, definitive game.
I feel like for Sony they got Yote, So Sony
has their big game. You know, Sony has their big game.
Nintendo has a few, but they spread them out a
little bit. We got cod and like, I don't see

(14:55):
like big, big, big titles from the other publishers. Really.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, there's nothing that's super frankly fucking wow. It's like
kind of blown up my skirt.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
So I think it's an off year. I think because
last year we had a big year for games. Yeah,
and I guess yeah, it was like twenty twenty was
a big year for games because everything was coming out
during the pandemic. Then we had a lull for like
two years, twenty twenty two or twenty three three didn't
have a ton of stuff, but then twenty twenty four
was a big year for games.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah. Like I'm just I'm glad that it's quiet. I'm
glad we have a chance to actually enjoy stuff. I
did get Pokemon, I bought it. I'm hoping to dig
into that eventually. Maybe we'll see. I also got Ghost
of Yotai. I'm going to dig into that hopefully eventually.
Maybe we'll see I've most have been playing a lot

(15:47):
of these Assassin's Creed Shadows of Awaji DLC, which maybe
we'll have impressions for that next week. Just because I've
been I've platinumed the game, so I'm pretty much one
of the best people to ask about it, at least
on ours. But yeah, so anyway, guys, we got a
big show for you this week. We're gonna talk about

(16:09):
more stuff about Freddy Krueger. We got some news about that.
We also have a long time pop culture icon retiring.
We have news about sea otters committing theft and other stupidness.
But that's what we got coming up here on the show.
So we're gonna take a small break here on this
weekend geek dot Net. But before we go anywhere, we're
gonna take a listen to my review from Konami. This

(16:32):
is Silent Hill F on the PlayStation five. We'll be
back guys right after this, only on this weekend geek
dot Net. Hey, guys, this is Mike the bird Man here.
I'm here to talking about something really interesting. We got
sent for review from our friends over at Konami. They
send over a copy of the latest entry into the
Silent Hill franchise on the PlayStation five. I'm gonna be

(16:55):
talking about Silent Hill f and these are my impressions
of this game so far. So I have a pretty
interesting history with the Soundhill franchise. I began all the
way back in the nineties on the original PlayStation one.
I remember sitting up all night with my friend Ryan
and Ben playing this on the PlayStation one and having

(17:15):
a really fantastic time. It also kind of cranked up
the horror and thrill of the experience as we didn't
have a memory card, so we couldn't exactly say when
we were killed by weird creatures of the night that
Soundhill loves to populate its spooky towns with. This one
is a little bit different where it's not necessarily the

(17:36):
sound Hill you're expecting. You play a young teenage girl
named Hinko, and this takes place in a different time period,
so like I want to say, sometime in like the
sixties or something in Japan, So this isn't your traditional
modern day Silent Hill. And I would also say it's
a little more a bit more action oriented, Like you

(17:58):
do get a stamina meter and a sanity meter and
those can augment some of your combat abilities, whether you're
swinging pipes or whatever objects to kill the weirdness that
just happens to be living out there. But you're not
gonna be walking around like you're the bride from kill
Bill or the Terminator. Eventually, your little schirrel, your little

(18:21):
school girl is gonna get tired and maybe it's time
to bolt. But there is a mechanic where you can
offer offerings to a shrine in the game, as Hinneko
seems to be somewhat religious, and you can get different
boons and different abilities to help boost your character, whether
it's like maybe you get a boost a stamina, or

(18:41):
maybe healing items, do a little bit more something like that.
Storyline wise, it's solid Hill, which means weird as crap,
and you're just gonna have to deal with that, and
it's very strange, but it's also kind of tragic and
sad when you see just how Hinneko reacts with her
family and how she looks at some of those familial relationships.

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But again, it wouldn't be sold Hill if it wasn't weird.
The puzzles in this game I think are hard, but
I've also been out of the survival horror genre for
quite some time. Like I'm used to survival horror ala
Resident Evil, where I can solve it with a nine
to millimeter to the face or maybe something like dead

(19:27):
space or I have heavy industrial lasers to deal with something,
and that's a little bit more my speed. It's not
to say I didn't have fun with Solid Hill F
I really did, because it looks gorgeous, it sounds gorgeous,
and it's a really intense game from that perspective, Like
some of these puzzles will drive you up the wall,

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but when you solve them, it genuinely feel super rewarding
to do so. And I said, the storyline is interesting.
I love. One of the first big puzzles you run
across is your Like you run into this in this
individual wearing a fox mask and that's what you just
call them, like fox mask and you're told don't trust,

(20:09):
don't trust them, and how that plays out, well, you're
just gonna have to see how that goes. Like I said,
this is not what I expected. And do I think
it's worth playing for everybody? Yes, but I'm gonna say,
maybe wait for the price to come down on this one.
If you wanted a more traditional Silent Hill experience, there

(20:33):
was the remake I want to say, from last year,
maybe the year before last, and I think might be
a little bit more up your alley. But if you
could get this on a Black Friday sale, or if
you could get this to play during the Halloween special,
like maybe someone gives this to you as like a
Christmas or Birthday present early cool. I mean, my birthday

(20:53):
is coming up in like a week, so I wouldn't say,
you know, if someone dropped this on my PSN account.
But I think overall, sound Hill F it's not what
I expected, and I'm kind of okay with that. So
if you want to play Silent Hill from a much
different storytelling perspective than what you may be used to

(21:15):
and having a little bit more action than previous titles
where you don't feel as weak, I find it. I
just I like the idea that I can keep swinging
so to speak. Here like I don't feel as wimpy
without my I feel less wimpy because I'm not just
using a kitchen knife. A good old lead pipe get
the job done just as well. So sound Hill F

(21:38):
good puzzles, if hard amazing atmosphere, great music, great voice
acting from the English cast because that's how I primarily
played this, and a really good atmospheric mix when you're
playing this with headphones. I had a really creepy time
playing this at like two o'clock in the morning. So anyway,
big thanks to our friends over at Konami for sending

(21:58):
this over. And now back to Alex the Prime Minister
of Sweden visited Washington today and my tiny little nipples
went to France. Gossip, rumors, panic in the streets. We're
lucky this week in geek New News, and welcome back
to this week in geek dot Net. I'm Mike the Birdman.

(22:19):
He's Oux producer. Big thanks to me for reviewing that
game from Konami. Big thanks, and then for sending that
over if you want to check that out, is available
across most major platforms. Okay, so we're going to talk
about our first story today here on the Nerd News Network.
This one comes courtesy of the av Club and this
is kind of a big deal. But Doctor Demento ends

(22:40):
fifty five year run as radio's weirdest DJ. The influentio
top top hat wearing DJ Doctor Demento wrapped his longest
running radio show yesterday, this maybe like a week or
so old, with a content of his top forty most
requested songs. The doctor was in for the last time.
After fifty five years of weirding outradio listeners and influencing

(23:01):
the likes of weird Al, Doctor Demento honked his horn
for one final broadcast yesterday, hosting the final episode of
the Doctor Demento Show to mark the occasional Demento treated
Dementors and dementoid's to the longest nationally broadcast Doctor Demento
show ever, three and a half hour long extravaganzaccounting down
Doctor Demento's top forty most demanded demented discs and tapes

(23:23):
from across his career. Minneapolis Baryl Hansen first introduced radio
listeners to his demented alter ego in nineteen seventy, Originating
on KPPC in Padena, California. Demento has been bringing his
vast collection of obscure, novelty and comedy records to the
ears of delighted listeners ever since. Perhaps known for giving
weird Al his start, Demento is the type of cultural

(23:44):
figure that is too rare, someone who takes too seriously
and unseeriously empuria that makes our world tollble for without overhyping,
over intellectualizing, or acting above it. Who else is on
the radio when someone is going to hear the dulcet
burps of It's a Gas by Mad Magazine Scott Alfred E. Newman, Serious,
don't be ridiculous. Doctor Demento released his for his final

(24:05):
traditional episode on May thirty first. The following day, he
announced his retirement and spent his remaining months on air
hosting retrospective episodes counting down his favorite records decade by decade.
At eighty four, Doctor Demento has undoubtedly earned his retirement.
Curating popular culture's most disposable art form is hard, and
thankless worse, considering how fractured the media landscape is now,

(24:26):
it is unlikely we'll see someone like Demento again. However,
we welcome people to try. There's one thing a society
can always use. It's a top hat wearing DJ who
specializes in comedy records. Check out the final episode in
the entire Doctor Demento archive at doctor Demento dot com.
Enjoy retirement and most importantly, stayed Demented Dodtor Demento with
recently with weird the al Jagovic story. I think doctor

(24:48):
Demento was played by Rain Wilson.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I want to say, yeah, see, I thought this man
had passed away like decades ago. Like I thought he
was like like Wolfman Jack, you know, like an iconic
figure that had been gone for a while.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, I didn't think he was still broadcasting in the
fact that he was still on traditional radio and not
just doing whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I think he was grandfathered in And they were like,
you know what, he probably doesn't cost a lot. Let's
keep him forever.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Mm hmm. Eighty four years old. That's a hell of
a run.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And again, is that the longest you think a radio
DJ has had a consistent career.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Outside of maybe certain sports broadcasters, I would argue.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, okay, okay, you're right like talk radio guys, but
like as far as like a music jockey having a
career for what like fifty sixty years.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Fifty five years, Yeah, that's a hell of a run. Like,
I can't think of anybody in my circles that I
would think of the only person I could think who
will probably stay in that realm as long as they want.
It will be Howard Stern and because he's had a
long career, but now he's but he's on serious and

(25:58):
I don't know whether he renewed his contract.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
For talk radio. You got Stern and you got some
of the political commentators in the States. I guess does
Strumble have a regular show still?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I'm not sure actually, like yeah, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Know because like and then like you have like was it.
Tesh has had his show for a long.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Time, but but he's not nowhere near that.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I don't think Alice Cooper's is still active. I think
it's I think he just does it does like reruns. Yeah,
maybe John Tesh had his show for years. Weirdly enough,
I think Tarzan and Dan is still on the radio
in the States.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I think the last I heard, I think he was
in Calgary, but I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
And like so Tarzan for anybody in the States listening.
He he became more prominent in Canada because he got
on the hit List, which was a y TV cable,
you know, youth Channel's version of like an MTV countdown,
and that was probably six to ten years. He might

(27:09):
have done that, but he was obviously a traditional radio
host before that. What does it say here he is, Yeah,
he's on iHeartRadio since twenty twenty four, so he's still
he's still doing it. So he's he's on what is
it probably at this point in the forty years or so,

(27:31):
or nearly nearing forty years, and I was thinking of
like classic radio house, like in Canada, if you were
like listening to Chum back in the day, you know,
Chum was was the radio station. Like if you think
of like k Rock or any of those big stations
in States, Chum was that big, if not bigger. It
was to the point where in the States you had

(27:52):
Billboard did like the Top one hundred or whatever, and
you had American Top forty and a the actual ratings
like that. The charts were the Chum charts. So one
radio station was so powerful that the entire sales numbers
and like Top forty for the country was from one
radio station. So that's how big they were back in

(28:13):
the day. I remember my mom talking about was like
it was Jungle Gym and there were a few other people,
but again they were like legendary hosts, but they only
had a career for like ten to fifteen years. Yeah,
they either moved on to either completely different industry or
moved out of radio onto television or did different things,
or became, like like you said, a sportscaster. Like, there's

(28:34):
plenty of sportscasters like that, you know that have done
covering like hockey games for fifty sixty years. But as
far as like a program, like a radio program jockey
that does music, it is rare to have more than
thirty five years and still be hired.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah. Like I think, like I listened to a station
at a Philly WMMR, I think Pierre Robert's pretty long
lived in the industry. Jackie Bambam's career has got to
be going on at least twenty plus years. Preston and Steve,
which is their big nationally syndicated program, but they record
it in Philly. I think, I know they just signed

(29:16):
a contract extension, so that'll keep them on the air
through twenty twenty seven. I want to say, so they've
they're gonna be going for another couple of years, and
they're they're really they got to be coming up on
at least thirty at least.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I say, you're considered a lifer if you can make
it to thirty, if you can make it to fifty
five years.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, Like it's like radio is not a it's not
a stable industry.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Like outside of Stern, you're probably not gonna have a
guy that lasts fifty five years.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, and especially now with like online streaming on twitch
and YouTube and now these smaller platforms and stuff like that.
Like even when it comes to traditional satellite radio, I
don't hear a lot of people talk about it. I
can't think of many hosts like, Okay, well there's I

(30:05):
guess some people that transition from podcast to go to
that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You'll see longtime radio hosts that end up going into
new media and speaking. I'll just say this once before
we move, like move on with Stern. Next year. He'll
be on the air for fifty years, and.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's crazy just to see how his career started. Like
if you like, we actually recorded an episode and I'm
pretty sure we've it's out now. We like during the summer,
we recorded ear in the spring, we recorded an episode
about nineties media icons, and we talked about Howard Stern
and Jerry Springer and we're kind of looking at how

(30:44):
those careers have adapted. Obviously, Jerry's no longer with us
rest in peace. But Howard, you look at just the
way that person that personality, that force a personality captured
the media. You will probably never see that again.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
What you won't ever see again is a radio host
have such a cult of personality that they make a theatrical,
fictional movie about them.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, like, it's just not gonna happen. Like, you're not
gonna get the John test story. Now, we did get Dirty,
which was the Motley Cruz story. But that's but Nicky
six is a very small part of that. It's not
focused on him. It's about everybody. Yeah, that's rock stars.
Like it's rare for a radio ded like before Stern
as far as like internationally known radio Dijs. It was

(31:31):
basically Wolfman because he was doing the pirate radio out
of Mexico. Yeah, you know, the dude was sent down
there to work for a Mexican station that he was
using a radio frequency I think it was like it
was fifty percent more powerful the radio antenna than anywhere
in the States, and candidate was considered an illegal it was.

(31:53):
It was literally pirate radio because it was so strong
it would cut into the clearest channels and it would
over power what was in the local areas. So that's
why he was in like Tijuana or something. And the
dude his his radio station could be picked up in Toronto. Wow,
that's not just across the states, all the way from

(32:15):
Mexico into Canada and somewhere from the East coast all
the way to California. At certain conditions, you could pick
up Wolfman stations and they could. The reason that they
couldn't do anything he wasn't in the country. They can
shut him down. All they could do is like lobby
the Mexican government, like please turn off that station. And

(32:35):
I believe it's the strongest radio station ever, to the
point where I saw a little clips about it talking
about it how that Wolfman was worried sometimes going into
the station because the amount of power that it used
it would kill birds that were flying overhead. It's crazy
and I'm not making this up, dude, that's how strong

(32:57):
that shit was. So it's like, there could be a
movie about him. There could be a movie about Stern.
There could be a movie about very few other radio broadcasters,
but there should be a movie about doctor Demetto's what
I'm saying, oh, one percent, like before I move on,
it's gonna be a sad day for cinema indeed when
we start making movies about Twitch people, because you know

(33:17):
it's gonna happen at some point, Like you know, there's
gonna be a Mister Beast movie one on Ninja fuck that,
just you know they we'll get like the stupid SS
Sniper Wolf story or whatever, like fuck off punk all
the way off. I'm so sick of this.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's mister Beast does look like a human.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Mister Beast, I'm pretty sure is one of those five
night at Freddy's fucking animatronics.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Every picture of him when he smiles looks like the
cover of like a Nintendo game when they used to
do caricatures of people. Yeah, it looks like he he
looks like an AI character, but it's a person. And
it's like, I'm not saying that to be mean. I'm
just he's off putting. When you see him, it doesn't
look like.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
He's kind of like how Zuckerberg smiles. It doesn't seem natural.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, you know, like when an alien sees what humans
are supposed to do, but they don't realize that the
emotion is supposed to come natural.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's kind of like that scene in Men in Black
where Vincent Dnofrio pulls the flashback and he smiles like, yeah,
is that matter? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
On that note, when I see him, you don't, I think,
even though it's not the same thing, I keep thinking
of the cone heads trying to interact with the world.
That's what That's what it's basically like with mister Beast.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Aw Yes, Jimmy the codead, I love it, all right.
So this next story comes go to see of Fortress
of Solitude and this is a new outlet to me.
So all right, So they have said nightmare on Elmtreet
director wants Jim Carrey as Freddy Krueger. Hollywood's reboot obsession
has spared almost nothing, but somehow, Freddy Krueger has been

(35:01):
snoozing in our nightmares for over a decade now. In fact,
the last time we saw him claw his way onto
screens was in twenty ten, when Jackie Earl Haley took
on the role in a remake that, despite ranking or
raking in one hundred and seventeen point seven million dollars,
bored horror fans to sleep, but not because Haley isn't
a great actor. He was terrifyingly good and watched him.
But because the film forgot what made Freddy fun, his

(35:24):
take was too dark and the story was too grim.
But as Robert England, the original Freddy actor put it
to Variety, quote, Jackie Earlhilly is just so good, a
wonderful actor. But when they made Freddy a child molester
in the remake, that'st know what Freddy is. Although that's
a debatable plot point in other movies anyway.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It depends if you're going with the original. Yeah, it
depends on the cannon you go with or what Yeah,
what part of the movies you go with.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But by taking it to such a dark place, there's
no room for the personality of Freddy to be exploited.
I'm sure we can all agree with that statement, right.
Freddy Krueger was never supposed to be realistic eva who
was supposed to be a playful, cinematic evil. He laughs
and toys with his victims as if he's part of
a Smurf's cartoon. He's a monster with a dark sense
of humor in a in a face that looks like

(36:10):
a deep fried pizza. The twenty ten versions stripped that
personality away from him completely, and what was left with
and what was up with his new face? He looked
like a real Burn victim, and what we got in
said was a much darker horror film that felt nothing
like the playful originals. But it seems someone's ready to
bring Freddie back, and thankfully it's someone who knows exactly
how to handle the character. Chuck Russell, the director behind

(36:31):
a Nightmare and Elm Street three, The Dream War is
arguably the best film in the franchise, says he'd love
to return to and play in the world again. Speaking
on Dread Sentchel's Development Hell podcast, Russell said quote, I'd
love to do another Elm Street if there was a
if there was full support of everybody. Patricia Arquette has
said she'd like to do it again. And I still

(36:51):
think Robert, for me is the only Freddy. It's really
hard to argue that England is and will always be
the Freddy. He's the guy who turned a Nightmare's Killer
into a pop culture icon that haunted our dreams for decades.
So when the podcast hosts John Corngut suggested Jim Carrey
might be a fit, for the glove, considering Russell worked
with him on the mask. Russell didn't laugh it off.
In fact, he'd loved it, and he's like, yeah, that'd

(37:13):
be great. Jim, in my opinion, could almost do anything
if he put his heart into it. He said, for
Jim to do it, it would be It would would
be to do something that was another leap in the
elm Street series. A little bit. What was a little
bit like what Wes did with his very meta new Nightmare.
Now that's a good idea, right, Carrie, the master of
facial elasticity and comedy doing Freddy Krueger. Imagine Fire Marshall

(37:37):
Bill with a glove full of knives. He's got the range.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, I'm heep, let me show you something, tell you something,
and he just like stabs you through the throat. If
he's got the range, good lord, that's even more scary.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh yeah, he's got the range, the physicality and the warped, dark,
dark sense of humor to bring Freddy's Freddy's twisted. And
While the Internet has tossed around names like Kevin Bacon,
Willem Dafoe, Andy Serkis, Russell's pick feels both unexpected and perfect.
Kevin Bacon, don't see it. Willem Dafoe too old now,

(38:16):
Andy Cirkus. Maybe for motion capture, but.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Maybe Bacon would be too serious.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I feel like Bacon would feel like Ethan Hawk in
the Black Phone, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It would be a too serious thing. I think overall, Like,
you know what, just let him do Hallowman again, like
do a proper sequel.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, Willem Dafoe if they did, like the dream Demon thing,
like if you put Willem Dafoe in a nightmare movie
as like, because one of the big things that people
always talk about is like the fred Head cult, because
that was supposed to be the big idea for Freddy
versus Jason or x amount of nightmare movies always mentioned

(39:02):
like the fred Heads are like the next big thing
that resurrect Freddy and blah blah blah. Maybe you could
put him in there, Andy Circus. I like Andy as
an actor, and one of the things I like, one
of my favorite things he ever did, but he was
literally on screen for five fucking minutes was in Avengers
Age of Ultron. He played Ulyssi's Claw, who is a

(39:26):
vibranium smuggler and an arms dealer in the Marvel universe,
and he's a pretty cool bad guy. But he died
real fucking fast. Could he do Freddy? Maybe he did
Caesar in all those Dawn of the or Planet of
the Apes movies, and those are pretty cool. So I
don't know. I mean, maybe it's not unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I mean there's I kind of like the idea of
somebody lanky and unassuming, you know, for when when they
do like flashbacks or when they show him like with
normal face like see so, and also go with somebody
a little bit younger. I'm not saying like young young,
but you know who probably really could and you wouldn't

(40:11):
expect it until maybe he commits and has all the
makeup on m m Michael Sarah.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Hmm. I'd have to see what Michael looks like now.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
He kind of just looks like he has always looked.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, he's gonna be eternal like Michael Bluth from Arrested Developments.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Let's just picture him. He's got the same sort of
body type. And then just like haven't been like very
like unassuming, mild mannered, normal, and then when he's all
burnt up to a crisp piece, just like over the
top crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, that'd be interesting to see what they could do.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Something like or mcaulay Culkam.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
See, that's I think a little bit more inspired. I
think that actually mccullay Culkin, I think would be would
play a very interesting Tommy Jarvis from.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
He looks a little too He still looks a little
too young even though he's you know, mid forties.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, I'd like to see some of these, like now
that Black Phone two is in theaters, and now that
Ethan Hawk is deciding just embracing his weird he's just
gonna do what he wants.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Wait a minute, you sayth Hawk, But you know what
came to my mind? Who who's another guy that similar age,
maybe a little more British Michael Fassbender. No, well, actually
I don't know if you could do it, but but
there's other people that are from that same age that

(41:50):
are also maybe have worked with Ethan Hawk before, but
would also be great for it. How about a Jude Law.
Oh you know what, he can drop his accent and
do it an American accent, no problem.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
See Jude Law or Michael Fassbender either, or maybe Jude
I'd lean a little more into this one. I think
he'd make a wicked, fucking pinhead, okay, and really lean
into that britishness, like don't cry, you're just wasting good sufferings. See,
that would be fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I think it's gotta be somebody who can also do
comedy and have the impact. Like he's too old to
do it now and he's not the right body type anymore.
But like, obviously he's way too old to do it.
But it would have been like a John Lithgow.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, And I was watching something on like a Facebook
reel this last week. Evidently John Lithgow was up for
the Joker in eighty nine Batman, and he talked himself out.
He basically talked Tim Burton out out of hiring him.
He's like, look, it's between me and Jack Nicholson. You
are you know who you're gonna go with, So why

(43:01):
am I here?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sort of thing that's sure.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Although John Lithgal would play an interesting older version of
the Riddler.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
What about like Matthew Lillard.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Ooh, there's been talk of him getting involved in some
other horrorforant. I mean, obviously he's like stew from the
Scream movies. I'd like to see him do more, and
he was in Five Nights at Freddy's as the owner
of like Freddie Fasbar's Pizza or whatever, which I think
he's back for the sequel.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Is like, yeah, but maybe it's too manic of energy.
You kind of want you kind of want controlled silliness,
which is weird to say.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, like Robert knew how to turn it on and
off at the right times. I don't know. I would
be very curious to see how this franchise will hopefully
get resurrected at some point. There's no way to My
guess is if Crystal Lake the Friday of the Thirteenth
prequel series does well, there will be a new Friday

(44:04):
the Thirteenth movie within two years. If it does well,
we'll see something with Nightmare within the next five That's
gonna be my prediction. So we'll see what happens. So
this story comes courtesy of TMZ, but it's been reported
by multiple outlets. I want to preface this by I
do not know who this streamer is personally, of course

(44:27):
I don't, but I've seen the video cople me too,
So I'm just gonna read the story and then we'll
kind of talk about this, so streamer Imru was allegedly
assault em I.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I made sure I watched. I've heard all this. I'll
preface this for anybody listening that's screaming as like, how
do you not know? We don't watch a lot of streamers.
You have your own groups, people you watch. I only
know of this person for two reasons. One, it started
popping up in my feed a while ago, you know,
in random like shorts and that, and I was like,
who is this? Why do I care? And then I

(45:03):
immediately went, it's not content I care about, so I
moved on. And then her stuff had popped up because
of the press stuff that we watch part of like
a streaming group was ot K One True King or something,
And it's with some of the most popular streamers of
I think specifically, I might be wrong with like people

(45:26):
younger than us, you like, like like like younger millennials
to like gen ZH Whereas yeah, whereas our the pop
the people the streamers that are like most popular with
our demographic are the older millennials and younger gen X people.
You know what I mean, what sort of caught in between?

(45:47):
And all I know is that a lot of a
lot of the They're not like lull cow level of
of like drama people. It's not that, but they do
tend to gather a certain type of people that are
more likely to become very obsessed with them.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, if that makes sense, it does. Okay, So the
story reads as follows. A pop of the streamer was
allegedly assaulted at twitch Con, a convention where the biggest
names on the platform interact with fans, and she's pissed
about what she feels was a lapse and security by
the brand. Here's the deal yesterday. So this was a
couple of days ago. The streamer what was it again?

(46:30):
Emmru held a meet and greet at the festival in
San Diego, where fans could walk up, chat with her
for a moment, and take a pick. Pretty standard fare
for these types of conventions. During the event, as video
circulating around social media shows, a tall man walks forward,
grabs Emeru, brings her face very close to his. A
worker who Amoru has since says a member of her
own security shoved the dude away before shoeing him away

(46:52):
from the area where people go to check on her
twitterly sustatement. Shortly after the instinct calling the behavior of
the individual who approach Emory quote completely unacceptable and deeply upsetting,
and adding event organizers alerted security and law enforcement after
what happened. The statement claims the man who approached amoryho
has now been banned from Twitch, both both future in
person events and the site itself. Twitch has promised increased

(47:15):
security at meet and greet events moving forward. However, Emory
was not pleased with the platform whatsoever, claiming the dude
who came out or was able to cross multiple barriers
at twitch con and even in front of another creator
meet and greet to grab me, to grab me and
my face and try to kiss me. Emory added he
did not actually kiss her, but it could have been
much worse. Emory wrote in her statement the incident rocked her,

(47:37):
but she says Twitch's response was even worse because it's
alleging security staff didn't attempt to stop the guy after
her own security personnel were forced to fend him off.
The Twitch streamer writes, quote in Twitch's statement, they said
the guy was immediately caught and detained. I'm sorry, but
that is a blatant lie. He was allowed to walk
away from my meet and greet and I didn't hear
he was caught until hours after he attacked me. It
felt like this has not only happened because of my

(47:59):
manager and not because TWITCHCN staff present thought it was
a big deal. End quote. Emory said this is her
last Twitch cone. She thinks other creators should consider skipping
it in the future as well, because she didn't feel
safe or protected by Twitch at all. We've reached out
to look a place in cops so far no word back. Now.
I decided to do a little bit of digging off.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, I'll say this while you go to there. There
had been a lot of ramp and stuff like you
know how things spread when it's not clear video of everything.
The first rumor that was spreading was that the guy
licked her face, which is that's what I thought happened.
Messed up, and that's what a lot of people were
saying from her own mouth. Obviously it didn't. The other
thing that was mentioned, and I think it needs clarification,
was that she had security last year, private security that

(48:41):
did boot somebody else for doing something similar m and
that her private security was banned from attending this year,
and that she had sort of demanded that they have
better security or let her have her people, and apparently
twitch it said no because they did they didn't want
to make it look like it was a police state.

(49:03):
And well, well, I question before we go into that.
I questioned that being spread. But at the same time,
what this to me shows is the serious issues that
we're starting to have creep up, especially since the pandemic
of for five to six years, people developing very strange

(49:28):
not just obsessions, but like, what was it parasocial they
call it, Yes, parasocial obsessions where they think I gave
X amount of money to somebody, therefore they owe me
this or I have power over them.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, And this has been an especially troubling year or
two because there had been there was a twitch streamer
in Japan who was killed on.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Stream and Korea. The Korean one wasn't on stream, but
that Korean one was like somebody a bunch of money,
and it was like.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Do I okay.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I personally think that there should be on these platforms,
there should be a limitation to how much a person
can actually give within like a year. And it's and
the argument is all those money, it's capitalism. No, there
is a point where when you go to most most
countries except for me. If you're gambling, there is a limitation.
If you spend over a certain amount of money, there

(50:25):
should be a flag that pops up that says you
can't spend your money here anymore, because the last thing
anybody wants is bad pr because somebody went bankrupt giving gifts, yeah,
or something to that extent. And Korea is sort of
an extreme example. In some parts of Japan too. The
guy apparently bought this person a car and then when

(50:46):
when this person refuted their sexual advances, murdered them.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
The one story that I'm going to probably get some
of the details wrong, but I do remember a good
chunk of them where they were donating and there was
sort of the person and I'm not victim blaming, let's
get that straight. No, the person had said that they
gave the appearance of being available. She was already in
a relationship. This person wanted to pursue something, and this

(51:13):
person had paid off all her credit cards and some
other stuff and was giving her money to basically live
and it didn't go well. So not a great example.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
And I will say this, if you were somebody who
wants to openly engage in like a sugar daddy sugar
mama situation where you have a financial you know, agreement
and it's above board, everybody's involved, and you're like, hey,
you know I whether it be you know, for an
intimacy sexual thing, or even if it just wants to

(51:44):
be like some people just wanted to have that relationship,
even if it's not detailing sex. You never know, people
have all these different wants and needs. If you want
to do that and it's all on the up and
up and you're all open to that, that's one thing.
It's a different thing altogether to like said, leading somebody on,
it doesn't give you permission to then murder them because, like,

(52:05):
you know, were they morally wrong for leading you on? Yes,
nothing can the right to put your hands on that person, though.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, Like one of the most dangerous things I've seen
is just the way these parasocial relationship development. Now I
have a relationship with certain streamers to the point where
I can contact them privately. I know certain members of
their family with explicit permission, I can contact them privately.
But if they decide to rescind those permissions, they can

(52:37):
do that. Like, for example, I was gonna send me
and Blair always send one person a Christmas gift every year,
and I said, hey, can we get your new address
because we know you're moving. They're like, you know what,
this year, I'm changing how I do things. I'm looking
after my health. You don't have to worry about the show.
They're like, okay, you've changed the barrier. That's fine, we
understand that.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And then if they chose to say, hey, you know what,
you know, just just for my own peace of mind,
even though they don't think that you would ever do
anything for their own peace of mind, they could be like,
you know what, maybe I'll set up a PO box.
If you want to send a Christmas card, you can
do that. Some people will do that, but if they
choose not to, and again that's their prerogative.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, exactly. And another thing I've seen people do is
they have this weird expectation of access to you and
with a lot of women on Twitch, and again this
is not victim blaming. People are fucking weird and they
don't deserve the abuse they get. And I know with

(53:34):
Twitch con now again this is what is being alleged.
This is what I've read. Can I confirm whether it's
true or not. I can't say I've never physically been there.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
More will come from this because if she's saying this stuff,
Twitch will not want her to keep saying this. Somebody
is going to enter legal terms over whether it be
or her. Somebody at this point will do that.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
One of the things I've heard is that twitch Con
is really loose, is allegedly really loose with how they
do bag checks and stuff like that. Now, in the
most extreme example of this, what if that guy had
had a weapon and there's people who cosplay.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Now you can maybe circulating right now from twitch Con
as well of somebody filming a clearly a patron of
the event that is not not all the Christmas lights
are on, if that makes sense. And they were being

(54:36):
kicked out and they were throwing a hissy fit being
kicked out of the event, and it was for stalking
one of the voice actors for U that was there,
and people were like, why are they kicking out? They
have to even talked to them, And then more has
come out in that particular person apparently the day before
had found out which hotel room they were sitting in

(54:58):
and had deficated in front in front of it gross
in front like weird, crazy stuff happening. And that's unfortunately
when you have the parasocial stuff, especially when the fandom
is explicitly almost a purely online fandom and has been
that way for like a decade.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, we saw this happened with.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
This can happen, And it's a number, it's a percentage
thing you have, Like if you've got two million fans
or ten million fans, if one percent have have some
form of serious mental health issues.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, there was a lot of people there was. If
you remember a couple of years ago, there was that
big fight between I think it was like ss Sniper
Wolf and another content creator and she sent her like
she drove past this dude's house saying, hey, I know
where you are, and then her fans started going after thee. Again,
I'm not remembering all the details.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Probably, Yeah, it can be terroristic threats essentially.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, And it's kind of insane just how dumb shit
has happened in the last little bit that like this
is not.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
At the same time situation. At the same time, you
also have to balance and like it's never all one way.
In this case with Amru, what she has to consider
too is you are not that you should expect that result.
That's a bad take to take on this. But you
also have to consider if a I dress a certain

(56:30):
way because I know it's going to be provocative and
it's going to get people to interest me. If how
I dress is gonna how I dress, how I act,
my behavior, the image that I'm presenting.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
What is your brand?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah? Is my branding and my whole image? Is that
going to exasperate or exasperate the situation and make it worse?
Or am I is it luring the people in? And
if that's the case, and you have to balance out,
am I gonna make more money doing this? Am I
gonna lose money not doing this? So there is a
financial and image situation you have to deal with too, And.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
That's not yeah yeah, because like let's get one thing
crystal clear. We're not victim blaming in this, but because
like I have a background in pr and part of
the thing is when and this goes for both men
and women, when you cultivate a certain image that can
attract a certain demographic, Right, It's just it's the science
of I don't know how I phrase this publicity availability,

(57:33):
and it's just kind of how it is it's and
this is not This is.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Not the case of like what was I forget the
streamer's name, was it Amarant the one that was doing
like the bathwater girl bathwater and then like hot tubs
taking her tops off and then do it like where
it was like, Okay, you're you're you're basically one step
away from being a sex worker. You can do that
if you want, you're against but if it's against the
terms or whatever. And then but then you start questioning,

(57:59):
you know, I think she and the blaming her spouse
for forcing her to do things. Yeah, yeah, that's a
bad situation on the side that and people are like,
well so she's asking for the attention. Well okay, but
you have to find the boundary of where where do
you set the line and be like this is what
I accept, this is what I won't accept. And at

(58:20):
the same time, there is a certain expectation that you
will have some crazy fans. As far as I know
with Emery, I don't think this is a person that
does that, but still probably from what I've seen, where's
provocative stuff, but not to the extent of that. But
at the same time, like when you have a meet
and greet especially with women, and I don't care if

(58:40):
anybody says it's sexist. You need to have more security,
especially at an event where a lot of the guests
are going to be people that are, from what we've seen,
not necessarily the most well adjusted or neurotypical. You're in conventions,
you deal with people that don't have necessarily the social

(59:02):
skills that you would have when you go to the bank,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
No, if I would say that personally, because like I
have had a public life and I've retreated largely from
that when it comes to conventions, it's just it's not
my bag anymore. And I can say this, I have
had some uncomfortable situations and it's it's hard to balance

(59:28):
because twitch con I kind of view it as it's
the convention where we all kind of gather and catchall's.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
It's like the old version of the original YouTube meetups.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Yeah, and I'm not having extra security on the ground.
That's just a good idea to be That's a great
thing to have in general. But again, you want to
present an open and welcoming environment without having guys working
around in full like kind of plate carriers.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
No, But at the same time, you should.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
It's hard because you want to have a fun at event,
but you don't want to have that's so looking around,
Oh there's a guy with a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
You know what I'm denigrating to to just not you know,
I'm not trying to be like, hey, everybody that goes
to the cons are just disgusting weird people. No, but
there is a higher percentage than what you would have
at other events. It just is anytime where it is
a meetup for very specific fandoms and where it's like

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one on one parasocial you know, sort of relationships with streamers.
It happens with voice actors, it happens with musicians, it
happens anything like that. You're going to deal with with
people that don't even maybe they don't even realize they're
doing it, but that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Would be very curious to know how the critical role
people handle stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I think people are generally better trained, you know, in
the in the traditional media world. You know, if you
have an agent that and you've gone through traditional media training,
you understand how to deal with it when you're set.
When you're a self made you know, quote unquote health
made celebrity, where yes, you have a team in the background,
you know, obviously doing your editing and that eventually not
everybody can be tech savvy, but when you're doing all that,

(01:01:08):
when you start from nothing, your own and you start
very young. Yeah, some of these people start streaming when
they're like seventeen. Yeah, and you know they've grown up
in this. Yeah, they don't necessarily even know how to
turn off their persona, you know what I mean. Like
they're always on, They're always there. Some of these streamers
are streaming twelve hours a day. Yeah, Like whole life
is streamed. So I see it and I go when

(01:01:31):
I say, you know, you've got to be more have
more security in that Around the women, it's simply because
it's not that you should expect it's going to happen,
but when it does happen, nine times out of ten,
it's it's with a woman that is there and you've
got you don't have no idea how strong or big
some of these these fans are that are delusional, well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Like the to do Like, I would be very curious
to see what it is like on the other side,
because there are male streamers that do a lot of
stuff and I'm sure must my guess is it's under reported,
because I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Would say it's underreported. But at the same time, for instance,
let's say, you know, hypothetical, I became a big streamer
and you know, I'm a big guy, you know, big, big,
fat guy. If I became a big streamer and I
started getting you know, I got a million followers, Oh
my god, it's amazing. And I have you know, both
men and women that are into me, but it would

(01:02:25):
be most likely more guys are into watching game streams.
There's vice versa, right. But you know, let's say I
went to a convention and I had a crazed fan
who was obsessed with me. And it was some dude
that was like wanted to hug me and kiss me,
and he was obsessed with me. Because it happens all
different types, like all different types. Right. If I didn't
have the security there, I am a six foot four,

(01:02:47):
very strong, big built guy. I could protect myself unless
they had a weapon. I think of how many streamers
are like five foot four, one hundred and ten pounds
position Well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
That and when you are in a media space, and
again I can speak somewhat from experience on this, you
want to welcome them in your space because you presume
this person watches my stuff, they like me. This is good. Now.
The one instance I've had with an uncomfortable fan, I
was very fortunate that I did have convention staff nearby

(01:03:23):
and I was like, hey, I'd like to go to
my room now I need to decompress, and they were
able to disperse people around me. I was like, hey,
Mike's gonna go hang out, go do his stuff. He'll
be back on the con floor in a couple hours.
Thank you for cooperation. And it was pretty easy. I
have seen other content creators that I used to work

(01:03:44):
with on on other various websites, and these guys got
swarmed and some of them were male fans, some of
them were female fans, and some of the attention was wanted,
some of it was clearly not. And back then it
never even occurred to me because these type of things

(01:04:05):
is still very new, like this is before Ninja, this
is before cute Pautie Pie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
And all this to consider is when I say I
don't think I don't think the fans. I don't think
the majority of them that are doing it know that
they're that their advances are unwanted or are coming across
as scary because a lot of times there are people
that don't understand the social cues that would tell you that.

(01:04:33):
Like you know, like if you look at somebody's face,
if you or I look at somebody'd be like, they
look uncomfortable, even when they're trying to pretend that they're
not uncomfortable, we can tell. I think some of the
fans just can't tell, and they need to be explicitly
told step back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Well, that's why I think there always needs to be
a clear line, like for example, and then this will
probably be my final word on this. When you're at
the autograph table, that's when you can approach. If you
see them in like my rule is this, if you
see me going into the bathroom, you don't say anything.
You see me at dinner, you can nod, you can
say hello, and that's it. You see me on the

(01:05:10):
con floor, same things. You can stop me for a picture,
you can do this, you can do that. But the
point of interaction is at the meet and greets at
a table, usually with a handler, and that's fine any
other time in public. Actually, you know who's a great
example of this, John Cena. When you run into John
Cena in public if you're filming, he will tell you

(01:05:31):
to please stop if you if you see John Cena
and you say, hey, can I take a picture with you?
I've noticed this in every interaction that's ever been filmed
with him. He's like, yeah, sure, and thank you for
asking for my consent, and he's super friendly with you.
But there was a there was a thing I saw
I think from last This might have even been at

(01:05:51):
the Money at the Bank I was at last year
where somebody was filming him and he's like, hey John,
to John, can I get a picture? And he's like
and John, it's like, are you film He's like yeah,
He's like, then no, because you didn't ask first. And
again I get it, because that's protecting your space and
his space, and you want to do that. And especially
whether either a man or woman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
The same goes if they're out with family or friends.
You don't interrupt their dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah. Again, you can do a nod and a wave
and that is fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
It, except like I have, I have a cheat code
for this. Okay, if you have a child under the
age of five, that is doing it. Yeah. Yeah. If
you were walking out with somebody and you really want
to get their attention. You have their your four year old,
go go Mike, Mike, Mike Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
That's yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You have to be a complete evil person to be
to be mean to like a four year old.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, like that is the platform exclusive cheat code. But yeah,
like literally, when you see someone who has a certain presence,
treat them like you would anybody else. Give them, give
them the respect they need. The consent is king in
this case. And even if you go to these conventions,
whether they be a small convention in your local community

(01:07:07):
or whether they're a big convention like Niagara Falls, come
upon New York Fan Expo, read Pop, or whatever the
fuck it is, you don't harass people when they're not
at their table. Even if they're at a meet and greet,
you ask can I have a handshake? Or hell. Another
great example that's not John Cena Keanu Reeves. If you've

(01:07:28):
ever seen him take a picture with a fan in public,
he puts his arm not around your waist, but an
inch or two away so it looks like it, but
he won't touch you unless you give permission. That is
a class act. And other streamers I've I know are
very good with their fans. But sometimes they're just like, Nope,

(01:07:51):
I can't do this or I would prefer not, and
you just abide by that, and that's fine, and you
never and this is just a good rule of thumb,
I think anyway, if you're at a convention, don't try
to be cheeky and snap a picture without paying for it,
for example, because you know, they got to make their

(01:08:12):
kind of bank too. Because actually, I just write about this.
There was a huge horror convention that happened this last
week and one of the guests there was I think
she was some kind of a horror actress, and she
was signing and she left her table for just a
couple of minutes and someone stole all the autograph money
she gathered for the entire weekend. That's how she was

(01:08:33):
putting her kid through college. That's a scumbag move. So
long story short. If we had to say anything about
this in a roundabout way, Lee's practice good con at
a kept around people you don't know, and you don't
know them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
For the for the streamers or celebrities. At the same time,
don't take what anything we've said as like you should
know better. You're you're putting that image out. But what
you should do is you should take a step back
and go is the potential money I'm getting from doing
some of this stuff worth the risks of this because

(01:09:13):
you're never going to mitigate it entirely, And if you can,
you know, advocate like like she was trying to do,
to have if you're concerned. If if the con you're
going to doesn't have adequate security to what your standards are,
and they also say you can't have your own that don't,

(01:09:34):
you should decline going there, and you should speak out
as to why you're declining.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Going exactly like you have a right to privacy, you
have a right to safety, and if that convention that
is inviting you on their dime and their insurance, then
it is up to them to protect you. And if
you are not allowed to protect yourself, then you should
seriously consider declining the event, because again, your safety is
not worth and whatever or financial conversation you might get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Whatever flax she might get for doing this, the smartest
thing she did here was publicly say, you know, things
like that, I don't believe it was adequate and they're
also lying. They're covering it up because she might have
to defend herself legally over this. But what this will
do is this is the only way you're going to
force change because these conventions are run by billionaires and

(01:10:22):
all they care about is how much how many pennies
can they save by not having the extra security.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Well, let's look at kind of twitchcn's history before we
get out of here. The doctor disrespect incident, that woman
who broke her tailbone jumping into the quote unquote ball pits,
and there's just been multiple lapses of security. I've had
some content creators that I've that I followed talked about

(01:10:46):
their experiences at TwitchCon, and for the most part they've
been positive, but other times they're like, it felt like
this dude was following me quote unquote, and it's like,
that's not a fun time, because like, as a content creator,
you go to these things to interact with your community,
but you also go to meet other people. But you
should just be able allowed to be a citizen just

(01:11:07):
to have fun and you shouldn't have to worry about
is some weirdo going to jump me, some weird going
to do something?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Can I pausit one question to you? And I don't
know if it would necessarily work for all streamers, but
I think even if they won't admit it initially, I
would say about you know, as a as an estimate,
ninety percent of streamers that get famous are streaming a persona,
not necessarily a full fledged character, but either an enhanced

(01:11:34):
version of themselves or are acting up and creating a
version of themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I honestly think that I think that might have been
true a couple of years ago with people with like
I think a lot of Let's players might have been
like that because I think I know exactly where you're
going with us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
And even how they present themselves. Would it almost be
beneficiary for them to do here's my main streams blah
blah blah blah blah, and then by the way, and
then they do like you know, one stream or do
a vlog every now and then as just themselves where
you can clearly see that when they're on streaming, they're
technically performing because very few people are streaming exactly how

(01:12:21):
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
And I feel like maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Maybe that's the parasocial issue, is that people are thinking
they're actually having an image into their real lives.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I would say that's up to the individual content creator.
Because when you're streaming for twelve hours a day, you
probably have people editing your clips together. You probably have
someone who's cutting together something from your twitch Vio Dace,
do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
What I mean? Like, like again, in these cases where people
have gone off the deep end because they're like they
were presenting themselves as available but they were married, maybe
you should show that you are married.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But then again maybe why what right do you have
to know about my personal life? No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
No, no, no, it's not that it's the idea that
if the person is quote unquote leading them on by
pretending they're available, if they're because there have been cases
where somebody has tried to purposely have a persona where
they are available or that they're accepting of set affection

(01:13:22):
when they really aren't. And that's where you get the
blurred lines of people being angry on both sides. Should
you not if you're purporting yourself to be this is
who I am? Should you not have to really be
who you are or say this is who I am,
but this is a character of who I am.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I don't know. Honestly, it's hard to say. Because I'm
a very big believer you should have some privacy in
your home life, because I know certain streamers say like
they have a persona, but we then find out they're
merrit because I know there are certain big streamers. Yeah,
it's tricky. I honestly don't have a good answer for that.

(01:14:04):
I don't I guess at the end of the day
is to kind of put a final little cherry on
top of all this. Ultimately, I'm glad Imaru did not
suffer any harm as a consequence with her being able
to speak up using such a large platform. I certainly
hope somebody will step up to the plate and other

(01:14:25):
content creators will step forward and say, hey, this has
happened to me, and I'd like to see more than
just women content creators step forward, like if something has
ever happened to Ninja or PewDiePie or Jack Septicuy or whoever.
I don't know the streaming community. I know like five
streamers in the role Valorant, League of Legends or fun

(01:14:45):
people who do X right. I don't follow the big people.
I just don't. It's not my thing. Honestly, I watched
twitch when I was in the hospital because I had
nothing else to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Well, and I'm not trying to judge anybody that might
be listening to is you know, into like, well, I'm
really you know, you attacking me, not attacking just I'm
not from I'm not into that. I'll watch the streams
now and then I don't follow streamers like I'm following
like a news personality. I feel the problem becomes when
when you end up, you've replaced. If you've replaced like

(01:15:20):
regular television or social interactions with anybody you know on
a one to one basis, with making your life basically
like watching the Truman Show, where you think you're part
of their lives, that's a problem. And I mean if
and if I personally was going to be starting a
stream and I was going to go all in, I
wouldn't just be like, hey, here, here's here's me, here's

(01:15:40):
a fake version of me. I'd be like, here's who
I am. Here's the basics you probably know about me.
If you don't, here's this, let's go relax and have
some fun. So I know, I think honesty on everybody's
from from the streamer and the person people that are involved,
is important aspect. At the same time, I think when

(01:16:02):
it comes to these social meetups and interactions it's very
clear from these incidents happening not just in the States,
around the world that security is becoming a bigger issue
as more and more people are becoming these like socially

(01:16:24):
you know, detached people from the rest of the world
where you are basically only getting your relationships from streams.
And as the population grows and more people start streaming
and more people watch streams, that percentage is going as
small as it might be, this might be zero point
one percent you know, of all streamers that or stream
or people that stream having this issue. The problem is

(01:16:44):
if you have a billion people and it's point one percent,
do the math, there's still going to be issues. So
I think that Twitch is going to have to have
a big change here. I also think that what this
shows us is that there's a lot of misinformation and
don't believe the first thing you see like he went
up and licked her face and I was like, well,
where are you seeing that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Reported? Yeah, and especially now with like AI and generative tools,
it's harder to trust what you see.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Too, So don't dump to conclusions. But at the same time,
you know, be a vigilant when it comes to you
know your own safety and I'm glad somebody stepped in, Yeah,
say what is happening? And I'm I'm also glad that
this didn't turn into a situation where the crowd mob mentality,
you know, didn't take the eye, because that has happened too. Yeah,

(01:17:36):
And you don't you do you really think that you're
standing up for somebody's honoring quotes by stomping out somebody
who's mentally ill.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I mean, and that's ultimately one thing too, Like
there has to be the the landscape has changed in
very dramatic ways. And I'm not a mental health professional.
I have a mental illness, but it does make me
a professional in what it means. So like, as the

(01:18:06):
relationship between people evolve and changes, I don't know what
the answer to this is. I don't have a good one.
I'm really hoping people from both sides of this come forward,
like people from the convention side offer better and tighter
security without it being overbearing. And I hope and hope.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
If it's not going to be, maybe some other group
can start up. Maybe by the you know, as these
creators and these streamers are getting bigger and bigger, maybe
they have to group together form some sort of talent
union that can then be used as to pull their
weight around and be like, hey, you know Twitch Con
and all these big companies, if you want to sign

(01:18:47):
any of us, you have to have the security.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, and I think that would be wonderful. And with
the content creators, again, I hope you take your safety
very seriously, but I also hope that doesn't compromise who
you are. But just realize the world is a much dangerous.
It's a much more dangerous place than when the early
days of YouTube was like, it's different now and this

(01:19:10):
could have ended in tragedy, and unfortunately for other content
creators it has. There are multiple documentaries out there that
detail stuff like that. We've seen what can happen when?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
What was the well, there was the even in the nineties,
there was the movie The Fan you know, yeah de
Niro and that that it's a baseball movie. But didn't
Fred Durst make a really weird just a really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Movie, Oh the one with John Travolta. Wasn't it yeaheah? Yeah, yeah,
like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
It was it? Was it fanatic? Or did it have
a weird name or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
That, something like that. Yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Yet where it was like John Travolta is like a
crazy internet fan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yeah, like, there's so many weird things this can go down,
and I'm glad there are groups out there that expose
people who who do terrible things. But but you know,
like I said there, there isn't a good clear answer
for this. Ultimately, final word, be safe, be vigilant, and just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Don't on any end. And uh, you know this is
the end of our ted talk. We don't need to
talk about it again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I really hope we don't have to cover
something like this again. I really do say you guys,
we're going to take another break here on this week
in geek done Net. I'm not sure what review is
gonna go here, so Alex will let you know and
that will that will happen right now. Hey, guys, this
is Mike the bird Man here and I'm here to

(01:20:39):
talk to you about something really fun we got from
our friends over at Razor. As you guys know, I
love to accessorize. I aim a huge dork when it
comes to style, and well, my good friends over at
Razor decided to help me accessorize my life in only
a way a gaming company could, so they sent me
a couple of different things for me to take a

(01:21:00):
look at. I love customizing my consoles. I think it's
the coolest thing ever. I'm a dork. But these guys
sent over to me one of their razor skins, and
I got this specifically for my Nintendo switch too, since
I no longer have my original switch. I decided I
didn't want the vanilla. I didn't want something ordinary and
kind of bland. So I'm like, hey, could I get

(01:21:23):
one of your console skins. I'm like, yeah, sure. So
they sent over to me their acid sludge, which is
a kind of durable vinyl coating for your Nintendo switch too.
And I actually had my buddy Calvin install this formly,
mostly because I was counting on his amazing level of
detail AKAOCD to help me get this done. And frankly,

(01:21:48):
this thing looks amazing. I love the way this looks.
Like I said, it looks like a pool of like
comic book type acid. It works really well with the
joy cons I don't feel any slippage or sticking applying this.
I will say applying console wraps is always a delicate process,

(01:22:11):
and doing it right is such a such a thing,
you're gonna give yourself an ulcer if you don't do
it right. But when you get these things applied right,
you make sure there's no air bubbles, there's no wrinkling anywhere.
These things look astounding, Like I really think it's pretty sweet. Now,
it would be cool if Razor decides to branch out

(01:22:34):
and do more stuff with the Nintendo switch to, like
maybe something like a pro controller wrap or a hell
even more amazing, a pro controller for the switch itself.
I think would be pretty cool, as I don't use
my joy cons and the associated controller pad to too often.

(01:22:56):
But the fact that I've got my main switch rapped,
I've got the doc wrapped and my joy Cons it's
pretty decent. There's a wide variety of designs. There's stuff
such as, like I said, the foementioned acid slugs that
I have, but there's also carbon fiber, geometric, quartz, black, cameo,
perlesson steel, dark hive, and again it's just there's a

(01:23:20):
lot of personality that you can add to your various
video game console. So I'm glad my Nintendo switch to
has some pretty amazing stuff set forward and now because
I love to accessorize my life in other goofy and
ridiculous ways. I asked Razor, like, do you have anything
else a little bit off the beaten path, And one

(01:23:40):
of my reps over there, a wonderful person named Mikayla
sent me the sniky Snick And what this is. It's
this little cartoon lee styled snake done up in the razors,
black and green, with this little green tongue sticking out.

(01:24:02):
And it's probably about the size of Dutch my cat,
who has a weird attachment to this stuffed animal. I
don't get it. I guess he's a white cat. He's
must see anything black as I must assert dominance over
it and put my cat air all over it. But no, seriously,
I love the personality this thing adds. And again, if

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you collect any of like the Razor stuff, they're always
giving you stickers, and now they offer like fridge magnets
and stuff like that. And again I do think it's
kind of cool and having mascots from video game companies.
I have like a weird niche collection of these things,
Like I actually have a stuffed mascot from when Sunset

(01:24:44):
Overdrive came out, and I have a feeling that's probably
gonna be a bit of a video game rarity. I
could imagine this being one of those things where probably
not a whole lot of people have them. Again, I
think it's cool. I think it's cute, and I think
it kind of a fit. It's the whole RGB vibe
of a gamer room setup in Razor stuff. So if

(01:25:07):
you've got the Razor keyboard, if you've got the Razor
mike and mouse and headset, if you've totally embraced it,
then why don't you have a sneaky snick. It's cool,
it's ridiculous, and it's so silly, and again it's pretty reasonable.
Like this thing currently retails for about thirty nine ninety nine,
you're gonna not pay much more than that by going

(01:25:28):
into your average game stop or ev Games now in
Canada or Toys r US and picking up a licensed character.
I think this has a little bit more personality than
that because it is so weirdly obscure and only hardcore
dorks are gonna recognize it. So again, I think it's fun.
Like you said, I am a huge fan of having

(01:25:51):
personality in your gaming room and in your life. Express
yourself however you want, and I totally dig it so
big thanks to Razor for sending me. I'm gonna have
more reviews from Razor as I take a look at
more of their Pokemon collapse a little bit later on.
So I'll be back guys right after this. Oh crazy,

(01:26:12):
don't mind it by do Human Sacrifice, Dogs and Cats
living Together, Masshistaria and welcome back to this we can
keeep dot Net. I'm Mike the Burman. He's Ox, the
producer that was a long nerd news network with a
lot of intense discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
So we had we had like it's one of those
weird situations where you have a very difficult topic to
talk about because there's so many nuances that you have
to touch upon because if you don't, you'll be misinterpreted.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah, exactly. It's just one of those things like I
wish we had like an expert in this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
But could everybody just be nice to each other and courteous?
That's all I'm asking.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
What was that one line out of like the Rodney
King Riots? Can't we all just get along?

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I don't think it was from the rod Man King Riots.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Well, see, it's weird. That's where I always hear it
associated with impop culture, there's always like a weird cutaway.
Maybe I'm thinking of like a like a gag from something.
But because I was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
The police beating up that poor man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yeah, I don't know. I seem to recall a news
clip of somebody saying that, but I don't know. Maybe
I'm remembering it wrong. But I'm old now and I
can officially say that's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It's okay, that was that was one of those uh
Mandela effects. Yeah it's yeah, you never said it, but
everybody associated it to it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yeah maybe that yeah, like what the fuck? So anyway,
that kind of transitions into what we're gonna be talking
about now, which is the weird news, the strange and
unusual things that happen around this dimension we think, and
our first story comes courtesy of the Associated Press and
one of my favorite stories. Uh, we are going to
be talking about the Chicago rat hole. So ah rats researchers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Which I'll tell you right now, as far as I know,
is neither a bar no, nor the name of the
glory hole anywhere. Oh, Dear Christ, hope okay, I hope not.
I hope there isn't a gloryhole named the rat hole.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Rash researchers say some other critter, likely Chicago rat Hole.
Sidewalk landmark researchers say they have debunked the origin of
Chicago's so called rat hole, one of Windy City's weird
local landmarks. Hold on the rat hole isn't wasn't what
you think. It wasn't some back alley bar that served
as a speakeasy for the city's notorious gangster clientele, or

(01:28:36):
a tenement stuffed to the brim with junk. It was
actually a full body impression of an unlucky critter that
got trapped in wet sidewalks mean in the city's Roscoe
Village neighborhood about twenty or thirty years ago. The imprint
closely resembles that of a spread eagle rat, complete with
outlines of what appears to be tiny claws, arms, legs
at even a tail. I included a picture for you

(01:28:58):
to see. Yes, oh, I know the dude. You have
no idea how much lore I know about the rat
hole because I'm weird.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
See I put the picture there, and as I put
the picture in the article for you, I was thinking,
why am I doing this? Michael probably knows about the
rat hole.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
So the rat hole went viral early last year after
comedian Winslow Dumain posted a photo of it on x
The post drew curious tourists of the site at all hours,
with some leaving coins and other odd objects around the
impression as a tribute. Researchers hailing from the University of Tennessee,
New York Institute of Technology, College of oh Theopathic Medicine,

(01:29:37):
and the University of Calgary published a paper on Wednesday
in the Journal of Biology Letters that concludes the rat
hole was most likely created not by the titular road
but a squirrel or a muskrat. The researchers studied the
online photographs of the rat hole compared measurements of the
imprint to museum specimens of animals commonly found in the
Chicago area. The presence of arms, legs, and a tail

(01:29:58):
excludes birds, snakes, frogs, and hurdles, shrinking the possibilities to
a mammal. The claw outlines further reduced the field to rats, mice, squirrels, chipmunks,
and muskrats. The study said the creature's long four limbs,
third digits, and hind pause were too large for the
rat but fell into the measurements ranges of Eastern gray squirrels,
fox squirrels, and muskrats. The most probable suspect is the

(01:30:19):
Eastern gray squirrel, given how abundant the creature is in
the Chicago area. The study concluded. Other researchers have theorized
that a squirrel created the imprint. The study knowledges cement
is typically wet during the day and rats are nocturnal,
and the creature didn't leave any tracks, suggesting a squirrell
misjudged a leap or slipped from a branch and landed
in the wet spent. The study noted the imprint didn't

(01:30:39):
show any sign of a bushy tail, but the hair
often lacks the rigidity to create deep, well defined impressions
and would have been surprising to find such an imprint.
The study said, quote, We therefore proposed the specimen that
be re christened the Windy City sidewalk squirrel, a name
more fitting of the likely origins and more aligned with
the evidence at hand. And they wrote, now somebody tried

(01:31:03):
to vandalize this last year. Somebody tried to fill in
the rat hole with like sment, and people were out
at the rat Hole. Well, it was crazy, like it
happened at like ten or eleven at night. By seven
or eight in the morning, people were using like tools
to dig out the spent to make sure this was preserved.

(01:31:25):
People were fiercely defending this. Like there's tons of local
news coverage of the rat Hole being defended, people liking it,
people making pilgrimages to the rat Hole. Now it's funny.
Now this has been there for twenty or thirty years.
I've only been in Chicago twice in my life. Had
I known about this and this was off like the

(01:31:48):
L train, I would have made a point to go
to this. Now I know what. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Like Philly has the Steps, yeah, the Rocky Steps. Uh.
Detroit was gonna have what was it, the the Robot
Coops statue.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah, which I think it does.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I think it does. You're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Boston has uh like the Freedom Trail, Yeah, and New
York has you know, every it's different ship. Uh, Chicago
the rat.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I mean I think they also have the Chrysler Building
and there's something else involving like what the fuck is it?
There's like a Blues Brothers place. You you can visit
to but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Like they got rat holes and deep dish.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Now here's something I would love to see happen now,
Ubisoft's game Watchdogs. The first game happens in Chicago. Oh
blow my mind. See that's what's gonna say. Because sometimes
because Ubisoft just recently surprised us with a surprise DLC
for Mirage, like last week, it would press me if

(01:33:01):
there was a map marker that Watchdogs just randomly updates
the version one point or whatever, and the rat hole
is a marker and if you went there, you got
like an achievement and it would be called sidewalk Squirrel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Even better, that would blow my fucking mind. Pokemon Go
should have a rata there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
I guarantee you that's a Pokemon Stop. I guarantee that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
And if not a ratit have it be like a
dig lit or something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Why not? I don't know if we have any Pokemon
Go trainers from there. Can somebody tell me if the
Chicago rattle is a Pokemon Stop. If it's not a stop,
I hope it's it's a gym. My god, that would
be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
If I was gonna say if it does go away,
like if they have to get rid of whatever. Somebody
should make like and I mean like not a bar,
but they should make like a cafe the rattle and
it's like like where you get like coffee and then
have it be like I don't know, like a cat
cafe or or a a like a comedy club.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah. Like, I hope someone takes the publicity from this
and does something fun with it. I really think you
could do something fun. John Oliver, Oh you know what,
I'm just goind of surprise, he hasn't because John Olivers
did a lot of crazy shit over the years. In fact,

(01:34:21):
today I didn't send this to you, but Blair wanted
me to. So he did a web exclusive episode on
Airbud Today, which is the which is the franchise that
killed Dave's other podcast do You Even Movie? So it
was the last thing they ever recorded, and he's had

(01:34:43):
several friends joke about it. It was like, yes, that
stupid three legged dog, but so get this. So there
was a Vice article published back in twenty eighteen where
the Vice reporter had said I'm gonna find the grave
of the original Airbud Okay, sure, why not? So he

(01:35:03):
found out over the course of their investigation that there
are about fifteen vials of airbuds preserved seamen, and as
of this recording, only a few are left.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Oh did they use them to make the snow buddies
and stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Well, I don't know. I haven't read the article. I'm
reciting pieces of the John oliverpiece, but it's kind of funny.
So part of the John Oliver piece today, because they're
making a new airbud for next year, is they announced
the movie they didn't have a fucking dog, so they
had auditions and they narrowed it down to four and

(01:35:42):
now they've selected one dog from Ohio and one dog
from San Diego, and those two dogs do not look alike.
So I don't know how they're gonna pull this off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Will see Andy do it and then rotoscope him out?

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
I think it would be a bit. Well, it's weird
that you mentioned that, actually, because I was watching the
special features and as I mentioned on my review of
Superman by James Gunn, Crypto is not really there. That's
a motion captured dog.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
And it's just modeled after his dog.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Yeah, And I was like really, so yeah, So they
showed some of the behind the scenes of the person
green screening crypto and I'm thinking that's really fucking funny,
and I'm about saying, well, I guess they could do that,
but I guess they want to be practically and it's
fucking weird. I don't know, asked. There's one episode. I
think it's our first resident Evil episode Dave does a

(01:36:39):
complete breakdown of the air Bud cinematic universe. Oh boy,
I can't believe that's a fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
I think they lost me at Space Buddies.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Although allegedly Spooky Buddies is supposedly not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Isn't I don't know. Isn't that movie where isn't that
movie where the tote focus Russells the dog wrestles becomes
a pro wrestling champion, And I think Pins is it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Please say Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Nash, No, No, I think it's I think it's what's
this fuck from Fozzy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Chris Jered? Oh yeah, yeah, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
I think it Pins Jericho. I think that's tangentially connected.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
We're gonna have hold on, let me call Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
We'll we'll have to we'll have to look it up.
But but you know, as far as like realistic stuff
in the game, the first time I ever got a
kick out of that was was it the Crew or
the Crew two? I think it was the Crew two.
When the Crew two came out, we reviewed it. I
found my brother's apartment from when he was living in
Manhattan during an internship.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
I was playing Spider Man uh one on on the
PlayStation four when we reviewed that. And I found the
Ghostbusters Firehouse, and which is a pretty big deal. That's
hook and Ladder eight and people had figured out where
the Ninja Turtles sewer was and that was really fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
And I was with my brother's apartment. I took a
screenshot sent it to him and he said, it's it's
not realistic. I said why. He goes, there's no flying
cockroaches and I went, what do you mean flying? He goes, yeah,
he goes. When I moved here, I found out they
can fly, and I went, oh no, And I think
he said, is there wasn't there wasn't enough bumshit in
the streets he said. Then I went what? And then

(01:38:36):
I had to look up and I'm like, oh, that's
a problem even in Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Yeah, I've heard unpleasant things.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Yeah, he said, he said it. He goes. I said,
is it safe? He goes, well, no, but there's a
cop at every single corner. And I was like, you
mean every corner. He's like, every single intersection has a
beat cup and he's like, I'm like, oh, he goes,
that's what he goes. That's one of the reasons why
Manhattan awes much is there's like hundreds of cops just
out on the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Roads, although if you're down in the subway system, evidently
they're all on their phones playing Candy Crush If.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
That's yeah, okay, I'm saying he lived in what was
what could best be described as an apartment half the
size of your living room, Mike, Oh, got it. And
it was like six thousand a month. Jesus, Yeah, I'm
taking in Canadian dollars. Yeah, six grand a month at
about three and a half times what it costs to

(01:39:30):
get a two bedroom apartment fully inclusive here.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
That's Insaneugh. So there we go, the honor of the
Chicago Rattle and a brief dye tribe on air buddies.
All right, So moving on to our next story. Adam
or Adam Alex was able to find this. This comes
courtesy of The New York Times. Please break up, Lego.
Theftering recovered hundreds of beheaded figures, multiple rows of yellow

(01:39:55):
Lego figurine heads or minifigs heads on a tray. The
police found tens of thousands of Lego pieces and sets
at a home in Lake County, California, including figurines that
were missing their heads. This comes courtesy of the Santa
Rosa Police Department. When detectives from Santa Rosa Police arrived
at a house in Lake County, California on Monday, they

(01:40:16):
discovered what looked like a Lego crime scene. Plastic figurines
were everywhere, their heads removed from their bodies and organized
in neat rows by facial expression tubes and bins trimmed
with loose pieces. Tens of thousands of them, according to police,
were scattered across desks in a living room, on unopened
sets lining the hallway floors. An investigation that began last
month culminating the arrest of Robert Lopez, thirty and the

(01:40:38):
police said in a statement on Wednesday that mister Lopez
had stolen more than six thousand dollars worth of the
popular toys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Quote I'll break in here, or what could be described
as maybe one or two sets, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Especially some of those collectors sets.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
You're like, Oh, what's what's the set. Oh, it's a
it's a it's war It's like it's like Planet Earth,
you know, one sixteenth scale, seven grand or something, and
it would be like five million pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
So quote, Lopez was directing others to steal expensive Lego
sets and purchase the storm property at a reduced rate,
to turn around and resell the sets or individual minifigs
at inflated prices. The police said it was not immediately
clear who was buying from mister Lopez. On Friday, the
investigation was still ongoing to quote I quote, identify others involved,
locate the retailers from where the Legos were stolen, said

(01:41:31):
Patricia Sephans of the police department. Mister Lopez was charged with,
among other things, organized retail theft and conspiracy to commit
a felony. Under California law, those convicted of a felony
of organized retail theft can face up to three years
in prison. It was not immediately clear whether mister Lopez
had a lawyer. Now, it's funny because we have a
guy in our local area I'm not naming him, but

(01:41:55):
they sell a lot of Legos stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, you've told me about. Is this a different person
than the person that is scalping all of the other toys?

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Now, this guy seems like he's on the level, But
I would be very curious, like, how the hell do
you get so much stock? Now? There is a burgeoning
market for people to make their own Lego face because literally,
if you need to make your own Lego, it's literally
just take a bit of alcohol, take the face off
the dude, and you can paint on a new one
or or or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Or if you have a sophisticated enough three D printer,
you can probably mold them almost the same.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Yeah, and you know you can buy knockoff Lego from
Ali Express and t Moo and all that shit with
varying degrees of quality. Yeah, leg Lego is a very
huge industry, and I honestly attribute a lot of that
to the Lego movie. I think really brought the brand
back in a huge way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Well, and the games. The games have always been popular
the last twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Yeah, and with more and more licenses getting attributed to Lego,
it's kind of a pressive. Like for myself, I received
as a gift the Optimist Prime Transfer Transformer's lego. I
haven't had a chance to build a yet, most because
Beaker is a little orange terrorist and I don't know
where I'm gonna put it. But we've seen so many

(01:43:14):
of these other things. But the big thing that people
tend to want are the minifigs. And I know last
year I was collecting the Dungeons and Dragons minifigs and
I would see people and this is something I used myself,
and I don't know, I guess this makes me a scumbag,
I guess. But there was a minifig scanner, so you
could use your app on your phone. It would scan

(01:43:36):
the blind bag. It would look at the UPC code
and it would tell you this is the dragon born
Bard or the I don't know, Gnomish Sorcerer or whatever,
and it would tell you what what was inside. So
that's a little bit scummy, but at least you're not
wasting money buying ten of the same fucking figure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I're just getting out where Like the Spaceman character was
news still and the newest hottest shit was the Spaceman
two set when I was five. That was also the
same year that the Pirate Ship set came out and
the Castle set with the Ghost, so like, I'm from

(01:44:15):
the era when they did the Lego Renaissance in the
late eighties early nineties, where when I was little, there
were five total sets.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Here od the sets that I remember the most. I
had the Castle. I had the Spaceman, but you have
the Giant.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Did you have the Giant pirate ship? That was the
first big one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I did not. I had the Castle and I had
the small Shuttle. And as I grew up, I had
a friend of mine who really got into Bionical, and
he had every single one of the bionical because you
could buy them. They were in like this little barrel
like things, and he would buy all those. And I

(01:44:52):
always thought the bionical shit was really cool because some
of it could move, you could pose it, it had
like ball joints. It was really neat shit. But then
as I got older, I started to get back into Lego,
specifically when Lego Dimensions got out and they were all
licensed characters, and I would just buy the minifigures. And
what I would do with the minifigures is I when

(01:45:14):
think geek used to be a thing. I had this
Christmas wreath that was Lego. So what I did is
I took all my characters from Lego Dimensions and I
stuck them on my wreath, and then people stole it
off my door in my apartment building, which which really sucked. Yeah,
and like yeah, I like my minifig wreath must have

(01:45:36):
been easily worth like one hundred and fifty bucks minimum.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
I would say, Oh, that's also before you had security cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Exactly, yeah, so good luck coming to my door now,
shit heel, but.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
You may or may not have a mega vault zapp
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
You don't think I'm armed, You're wrong. But it's crazy
because like you see all these license sets now, like
I I purchased this separately because I didn't want to
have to buy another set, and this makes me wonder
did I buy something potentially illegal? So on eBay, I
bought extras of the Ghostbusters minifigses. I'm like, I'm not

(01:46:15):
gonna buy another fucking ecdo one for one hundred and
fifty dollars. I'm not gonna do that. I'll spend thirty
dollars get my minifigures. And then I paid another guy
that I knew on Facebook. He built me a display
stand for twenty bucks that had the Ghostbuster's logo, and
I had the girl Ghostbusters and the Boy Ghostbusters on
one plane, so I've got eight characters. Cool. And it's

(01:46:38):
amazing how many of these minifigures can go for exorbitant prices,
Like there are Lego sets that are only given out
to employees that are worth hundreds. Some of them are
worth thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
And because it's a Lego minifig variant like it, like
this is gonna be a bad example. But let's say
we're using the Star Wars license and it's a Stormtrooper.
In Stormtroopers, some of them have a different pauldron color,
the piece of shoulder armor and that that indicates their rank.
If you buy one of these minifigs, if it has

(01:47:12):
a certain pauldron color, for example, oh that's from the
collector set. Oh that's from an employee. And that's how
you can discover what these things are. Like I said,
there's a weird underground market. I've not dived deep into it,
but it's interesting. Like anything that's collectible guaranteed, there is
something weird with it. Like Transformers, there's tons of third

(01:47:34):
party people, Ninja Turtles or Neka. There are so many
knockoffs that you can buy, but there's a market for
buying parts too. Like hell, there's an entire underground market
for selling replica Star Wars weapons. So if you have
a I don't know, again, bad example, but just to

(01:47:55):
kind of paint the picture, if you have something from
Power of the Force nineteen eighty three Return of the Jedi,
and let's say you're missing the blaster to a luke
or something, you can get someone to make you a
reproduction and you can in theory pass that off. Now,
smart collectors will note say, uh, that's a repro Why

(01:48:16):
the colors off? It's not bent a certain way, The
plastic hasn't aised a certain way. With lego stuff, I
could see this being a lot harder to spot because
as long as the production quality is up to a
certain set or a certain quality, that's fine. But also
the fact that this person's collecting heads and limbs, that's
a person who's parceling it out. So a person who

(01:48:38):
builds lego dioramas or is really into building and whatever
they like. Shit, I want an angry expression, a happy expression,
and kind of a neutral expression, but I don't want
to have to go buy the pieces from these sets
because they're only available in I don't know, the Pirate
Ship for example, or the Jail in the wild West,
or the Back to the Future set or something. Now,

(01:49:00):
this person doesn't have to spend one hundred and fifty
dollars or whatever for one piece. You can spend twenty
thirty dollars get the piece you need, and that's all
you all you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Also, the reason I picked it as a story, I
was thinking, could you imagine you get call this a
beat cup. You're like, hey, go and check on this house.
We've heard some suspicions that you walk in and it's
just a table with severed toy heads, and you're like, oh,
uh okay, see it's.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
More normal that it's lego. But you've been friends with
me for a number of years. Now. Imagine if someone
had did this with Neca figures or hot toys, that
would be a lot fucking weirder.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
No, no, I imagine if it was all Barbies.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
You know what. I would wonder what the counterfeit market
is like for Barbie figures, especially now as it used
to be. Well see, I would wonder what that's like
now since Barbies that brand came back amazing huge after
the Barbie movie hit big because it was in trouble
for what I think it was like a couple of years,

(01:50:06):
and especially now that there are certain Barbies that were
pulled off the shell because of wicked and stuff like that,
which is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
And they get flack sometimes because of some poor choices
in marketing. A fairly recent one is did you see
that they have a visually impaired Barbie?

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
No? The only ones I can think of was the
wheelchair Barbie, which I'm really said I didn't buy. I
just didn't have money on my credit card that day.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
The visually impaired Barbie comes with a stick and everything.
The packaging has her staring straight ahead, but her eyes
are are bowed out in the wrong directions. Oh so
she looks cross eyed other way? Oh oh, that's like
like you know in the Simpsons when they would go
like h and their eyes are going their opposite directions.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Yeah, so like hypno toad, Okay, I reach I reach it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Well, like you like what like like the right eyes
looking to the right, the left eyes looking to the left.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Oh okay, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
And it's like I get why you might not want
to have a blind Barbie doll that like that has
like I don't know, maybe they didn't want to have
cataracts or just have a plane. You know what you
could have done. You could have put sunglasses on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Her, or maybe her eyes are just neutral or something
like that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Like or have her eyes closed. Yeah, A lot a
lot of visually impaired people choose to close their eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
See. I would be very curious to know who they
consulted with with that too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
I saw I thought, oh, this has got to be
like a fake AI thing, And then I saw a
bunch of different people in stores taking pictures of it,
meaning like, what is this. It might have been a misprint,
it might be pulled, but it's not the first time
they've had a faux pas with some of their marketing.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
I remember, and I was a part of this last year.
So when I found out that the Wicked Barbie the
one for uh, basically I think it was for Alphaba,
the one who plays the Wicked Witch of the West, Yes,
or Glenda. If you look at the packaging, there's a
QR code it says for more Adventure. Yeah, and to

(01:52:05):
the Wicked porn site, Yes, it did and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Yeah, it actually brings you to the site, pass the
asking you if you're over eighteen. I believe so if
by passed the landing page.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Yeah, so I wanted to get one of these because
I think it's a fun piece to talk about. I
love kiris chotskis, and then I try to find.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
You get one. And then when you have an opportunity,
because you've had connections with people in the adult in street,
when you have a Wicked performer, you get a chance
have her to sign it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Yeah. Well, it's kind of weird because, like, I'm surprised
nobody would catch that. Like, but then again, nobody wants
to admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
They probably when they were putting the packaging together literally
didn't know they didn't have that domain.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Which is kind of crazy, Like that would be like, hey, guys,
should we check where this QR code go? Don't worry
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
They probably just figured Disney owned the owned the website.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Yeah, and that's crazy. Man, Wicked as an adult company,
they're not exactly small potatoes, so they could.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
It's like, Wicked is bigger than what like Playboy, and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
I would probably argue, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
At this point, especially with you know, print media Gone,
it's basically like what Wicked, Uh Wicked, Vivid and and
Brawsers I guess uh, which it's probably I think that's
part of one of those two. And then what was
what was the company that you had interviews with? It
was Digital Playground. Yeah, like so there's only like three

(01:53:41):
or four companies, so they're they're basically like the major
movie studios quote unquote of that industry. Yeah. The fact
that not one person in marketing scanned the QR code
to see what would happened before it went to stores.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, I I can't remember, no way
I know exactly actly where this is from. There's a
line out of the original Clerks where Dante calls the
newspaper because he finds out his girlfriend Caitlin Breeze come
back to the town. She's engaged as some Asian design major,
and he says to like, can you make sure that

(01:54:15):
it's a mistake and there and the person on the
phone is like what, Yeah, like a vengeful type setter
and they're like what And that just makes you think, like,
did somebody do this as a gag? I can't see
that happen because that would open them up to so
much liab liabil.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
No, this is this is the mouse company we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
No, yeah, yeah, this is just someone made a dumb mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
If this was uh who, who could who? I was
gonna say Anchor Bay wouldn't do that anymore. If this
was Trauma, yes, yeah, I could see that, like if
they're like hey, q ruy. But even then though, they
would probably do it to their own thing. But I'm
trying to think if there's anybody that would troll people

(01:54:57):
that hard on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Well it it's funny. There was a site. We didn't
cover it this week, but I know enough to talk
about this in brief. So I saw this on the
Facebook group for twenty six hundred, which is the Hacker magazine,
and the group slip knot had tried to They don't
have their own domain, so they're like slipknot one dot

(01:55:20):
com or something. So some cybersquatter had bought slipknot dot
com and was selling counterfeit merchandise on the website for years,
and finally slipknot lawyered up and said, hey man, no
we're not doing this anymore. So like people do dumb
shit like this. Hell John Oliver does this shit all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Well, my websites that are Mike Rosoft. When Mike Rowe
was a programmer and he had Microsoft as a website
and then Microsoft tried to sue him, and he's like,
it's my fucking name. And then they're like, nah, I
prove it. He's like, it's my fucking name. And then
he proved it, and then they had to pay him
a ton of money for the Doka yeah, and for

(01:56:03):
him to change his company name.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Yeah. Like I've got a friend of mine. They were
one of the original twelve users on x. They have
a very prominent they have a very prominent handle. They
have tried to purchase that handle, and they have one
other handle that was very much wanted by a certain
segment of the pop pop pop is. I'll tell you

(01:56:26):
this off microphone, and they've had threats to say you're
going to give this to me and they're like, no,
I'm not. And it's kind of crazy. How like cyber
squatter's rights and everything. It's ridiculous. I mean, as long
as you're not profiteering, but even then people can claim
it's my intellectual property. It's fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
I will say this. We're so established that this week
in geek dott in that very very, very few people
have ever made the mistake of trying to go to
dot com. M hmm. You know. I think maybe one
or two media people I've contacted have been like, oh,
I tried sending an email and I was like, no,
it's at it's you know, at this this giking this
week in ge dot net not dot com. Oh okay,
because you've had a squatter from before yeap and the

(01:57:11):
squatter I was I checked to see because it was
going to be up, not this. I think it was
when we were renewed in twenty eighteen or twenty twenty,
somewhere around there. In between the we renewed our domain
and the squatter contacted me. I think I told you
maybe it didn't sure it wanted three thousand dollars Nope,

(01:57:33):
And I said no, I said, our brand is established
with this. If we had the dot com, we wouldn't
even use the dot com. We would only be using
it to redirect to the dot net, you know what
I mean, like where you would type it in, like
if you had contacted us when you first started squatting
on it in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Yeah, if you had.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
Contacted us in twenty let's say two thousand and nine,
when when your first domain would have been up for renewal,
maybe you could have got a couple hundred bucks out
of us. But you waited too, You waited almost twenty years.
You're not going to get shit. And then then he
went down to three hundred and fifty bucks and I said, no,
you can sit on it forever. I don't care. And
then they tried contacting me a couple more times, and

(01:58:17):
I am. I am very polite in my emails, and
I sent one terse final email and it said fuck you.
That's all it said, and it had my had my
signature as upon him.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
I read it. I was really hoping you'd say, as
per my last email, fuck over. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
It was technically too, it was fuck period you period.
And then that was it. And I haven't heard back
in four or five years, and then we've already gone.
And you know, our domains we renewed for many, many years,
and you know, if we have to renew for ten
years or twenty years at a time, we'll do that.
Because I got the only thing I was afraid of
was I was like, wait a minute, is this guy
going to try to swoop in if we accidentally let

(01:58:55):
it lapse and try to take our domain, because then
it'd be like, oh, is then is al going to
have to cross borders and kill somebody and go to
prison because the dot net is ours? But anyway, so
beyond that, like we've experienced that they think they can
squeeze money out of people, and that's like, in reality,
that's a small number. People have sat on domains for

(01:59:17):
millions of dollars even oh yeah, but I mean to
think like to sit on a domain specifically to target us,
like like they're spending their twenty bucks to renew it
every year. So the guy basically his final offer to
us was the amount of money he had spent the
last fifteen years squatting on him. And it's like no, no,

(01:59:42):
so you know what, just so you know it just
on principle, even like if he had said I'll give
it to you for thirty bucks, I'd be like okay,
because I'd be like that's what it would cost us
to renew it anyway, right, So I was like okay,
because because again we would never use it. It would
literally be like redirecting to us. But that's the logic
behind these people, and that's that's you know, it's interesting

(02:00:03):
to me how all this can work.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Yeah, like the world of counterfeit and cyber squatting, and
this all came from a lego mini fake conversation, which
very strange how people treat this in the world. Yeah,
very very bizarre. All right, final story this week. This
one comes courtesy of The New York Times. Sea otters
are stealing surfboards in California again. Two years after otter

(02:00:29):
eight four to one menace wave excuse me wave riders
near Santa Cruz, there have been new excuse me, but
new encounters between the furry marine mammals and surfers. A
sea otter leaps out of the water next to a
man wearing a black wetsuit standing atop a surfboard that
is in motion. Two instances of an otter seizing a
surfboard in waters off Santa Cruz, California have been reported

(02:00:50):
this week. On Wednesday, Isabelle Orduna was catching some waves
at Steamer Lane, a popular shurf spot off Santa Cruz, California,
when she felt a small nip out on her foot
start old. Miss Or Dona, a twenty one year old
call student, rolled into the water. The moment she surfaced,
she saw a quote big fuzzy, chunky bear of an
otter sitting on her board. She said, I was like, Wow,
what what do I do now? The hijacking of miss

(02:01:13):
Or Kuna's surfboard was the first of two such instance
reporter this week. At Steamer Lane on Thursday, another surfer
had their board commandeered by a sea otter.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Uh's otters are his favorite animals, so I was like,
I got to put something in here for my brother.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
That's a cool crime. Although it's weird, it's honestly there
in terms of mammals doing stuff that's pretty pretty tame.
There are more and more reports this year of orca
attacking U boats smashing rudder.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
Yeah, I get it, we have had enough. Well, it's
the best description I can give.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
Yeah, honestly, the sea is angry. I watched another.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
At this point, our only friends left are the dolphins.
They're the only ones. And yeah, I mean, I mean,
I would still like to think and hope that if
I started drowning in the middle of the ocean, that
a dolphin would take me to shore because they are
still known to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
There was one thing I saw, and it was talking
about the killer whales, you know, that were captured and
one was brought the sea world, one was brought to
marine land and other places. And they've talked about, you know,
most of the deaths attributed in or marine animals in

(02:02:34):
captivity are tribute to this one killer whale, like two deaths.
And there's one piece of loss media where they don't
know how this person died, but there's allegedly video footage
of this person dying or being dead, and the orca
was parading the body around the tank. That's dark shit,

(02:02:58):
it's and it's weird, like like there's even people who
are harassing manates, which I think we covered last year,
Like it's this well honestly, I mean, I I don't
want to get too deep down the spiritual rabbit hole
here again as the token indigenous person, but Mother Earth

(02:03:19):
is angry man like, there's a lot of crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Yeah, and it's funny how we're talking about the story
right after something that we watched for your birthday. Yeah, well,
oh god, but but coming up coming up on a
future show on this week A review of Lloyd Coffins,
Trouba's Shakespeare ship Storm, which uh, which starts with which

(02:03:43):
starts with Wales jumping over ships like free Willian dumping
on them.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Yep. And it's funny because last week we covered about
a killer squirrel that was attacking people in California. Yeah, like, uh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
You know it's bad when it's spreading from Florida.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
Well yeah, I mean like we've had mammals, We've had
a meth raccoon. We could almost do an entire podcast
of bizarre things animals should not be doing.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
It's just I mean, the earth leads still technically too
cold up here, Like the polar bears haven't come all
the way down because it gets too hot in the
summer so far. Yeah uh and right now, as long
as you leave the moose alone, they generally don't fuck
with you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Yep. And we don't have well, we do have bears,
but we haven't seen bears in our city, which is good.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
We have coyotes though, and people don't realize that we
got And I had been wondering. Every once in a while,
I'd be like, it smells like burning rubber, and I
was like, it's not gas or anything. There's no gas
this in my apartment because it's it's a water boiler.
He did, right, And it's like summertime and sometimes around
the fall you smell like at nighttime, it smells like

(02:04:53):
a little bit like rubber, and you're like, what the
hell is that? I look it up online. One of
the things that can be is coyote.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
You're in.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
And and it because it's it's very pungent, like their spring.
It blows in with the wind from uh from one
of the like natural park areas near here. And I
was like, oh, that's a little unsettling. Maybe I shouldn't
have my window all the way open.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
Yeah, like when I go out at nights or well,
I guess now it's almost too cold for me to
go out at night. I would see pretty I would
see foxes the odd time again, you know fox the
spirit animal. But I'm pretty sure I saw a couple
of coyotes. And like I used to carry uh dog
spray because when I'm out at night, they're not that

(02:05:39):
far from me. Like I live on a fairly busy road,
but it backs onto a wooded area.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
And they're not they're they're not afraid of any coyotes
are a lot less fruitful of people than than like
prairie coyotes.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
Yeah, Like, my biggest experience with a coyote was this
I was with Blair. This is yeah, this was after
we were married. It was a Chris It was Boxing
day and we were out at her parents place and
this is a very rural area and we were getting
in the car. It's like five six in the morning.
I'm getting in my car and I see this coyote

(02:06:16):
crossing from the field across the street from our house,
and this thing is charging at the car. I'm like fuck.
So I'm like Blair getting the car. She's like, what
my look and she turns around sees the coyote sprinting
towards my side door. I slammed the door shut, and
this coyote is just looking in the vehicle at us.
I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
They're not the nicest creatures. And also it's very rare
for this town. But we used to occasionally get a bobcat. Yeah,
but like to be honest, a bobcat or I guess
a links maybe bobcat lynx. I don't think we have
puma here, but it's bobcats and lynxes they they can

(02:06:59):
be dan, but they are much more timid then, Like
if you see a single coyote, it's actually more dangerous
because you know that the others are around somewhere that
you don't see. They don't go alone, whereas a bobcat
or a Lynx will be alone and they're usually much
more afraid of you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
When I was probably about fourteen or fifteen, I was
up in northern Ontario and I was swimming in this
lake and I was getting out with my friend Breck
at the time, and he went up to the cottage
and I was following behind him and I saw this kitten.
I'm like going, oh, that's cute. What the fuck's a
kitten doing in the middle of the woods. And I

(02:07:37):
look at it and I'm like oh, And I looked
at its ears, like oh uh, oh shit, it's a
Lynx kitten.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
The ears are a giveaway. But when you then, when
you really zone it, it's how big the eyes are.
The eyes are twice the size of a regular cat.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Yeah. When I saw the ears, I'm like, yep, nope, leaving.
So I went back to Breck's place and I'm like, hey, man,
we're not going out for the rest of the afternoon.
He's like, why, I'm like, because I just ran into
a Lynx kitten. I'm pretty sure Mom is around somewhere.
So we're just gonna play Nintendo for the day. And
he's like, okay, fine, but yeah, that's about the closest
to wild animals I've ever seen. Like I've seen coyotes

(02:08:13):
cross my backyard when I was a kid kind of
growing up.

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
But like turkeys used to come around there all the time.
Oh there, and you think like, oh, they're not scary,
they're a little they have a main streak to them
a little bit, and obviously Canada geese and occasionally I
would see a bear when I was at my parents
grandparents cottage and then there was the dump. Oh yeah,
the bear dump paddle. Yeah, we were paddle boating and

(02:08:37):
I'm like, hey, Mom, look a baby bear. My mom
goes a baby bear and then she looks, she goes, Alex,
be very quiet. We're just gonna glide by because the
mama bear was staring at us in the lake and
we were like thirty feet away, and thirty feet those
bears swim fast. Yeah, so we just sort of we

(02:08:58):
didn't even paddle we just sort of let the take
us and then we were fine, and she told me
she almost had a heart attack. Yeah, and then the
dump bears, you know, we go there, I'd be like, oh,
look at the bears. My mom's like, don't go over
there because if you fall down there, you'll die and
we can't save you. And like to hear that when
you're like seven and you're like, well, my parents, that's

(02:09:18):
being mean, and they're like, no, it wasn't being mean.
That was don't fall down there. You will die because
the bears will eat you. Because there was like you
look down there and there's like five or ten bears
foraging for food at the bottom of the dump hill.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Yeap. When I was a kid, there was a dump
not too far from where I used to hang out,
and I will admit we used to go to the
dump and we'd see dump bears and the rule was,
you know, if something happens, you're on your own. But
it was always like you if you see a bear,
you grab your bike, you'll leave.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
And for anybody wonder why were you at the dump?
Two reasons. One dumping stuff at the dump because there's
no garbage pickup, you know, in the cottage country. And
two you'd go there because back in the day, you
would go at the end of the summer when all
like the renters and like students had gone, and you'd
find all the cool shit they threw it, like transistor radios,
old televisions, and it would the dump would leave it

(02:10:11):
all and all the stuff that was like good but
new stuff on top, not the food stuff, but you know,
like radios and and choch keys and like decorative things
and that. And so people used to go to the
dump all the time, get whatever was clean and take
it home. And then the dump started charging money because
they realized it could be a business. Yeah, yeah, man,
back in the day people don't realize dump shopping, man.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
Yeah, totally. So anyway, guys, that's gonna do it for
us here at this week in Geek, we got one
more review. Don't know what it is, you're gonna find
out because it's happening right now. Hey, guys, this is
Mike the Birdman and our friends over at Hasbro send
some stuff over for us for review, for us to
take a look at today, and we're going to be

(02:10:53):
starting off today was Transformers, Age of the Primes, Star
Optimist Prime. This is a Titan class figure, though not
Titan class scale, so don't think Tryptocon or Black Xeric
or even tidle Wave. This is a little smaller. It's
in the Titan class price point because of all the

(02:11:14):
accessories you're getting with it. You're getting a huge trailer,
a lot of weapons and blast effects. You're also getting
a tiny core class figure size of hot Rod or Rottness.
I can't remember precisely what it is, but this is
a figure that I like it. On its surface, I

(02:11:34):
will say it is kind of cool. Just the fact
that there is a lot of play value with this
particular figure. I would argue this is probably more aim
towards kids when it comes to its big kind of
play features, which is the ability for it to kind
of transform into its base mode and you can kind

(02:11:55):
of do its own thing there. However, having him in
his bot mode, he does still look pretty cool. I
am gonna say that, And you know, he's very he's
very long. If I did have to say anything about
this figure now, from what I've been hearing and what
I've been led to believe by several big YouTubers, is

(02:12:16):
a lot of these Primes are coming with an accessory
in their accessories that we'll be able to combine into
something later on when we have all thirteen primes. My
guess this has something to do with Primus. So maybe
we'll see something next year in the twenty twenty six assortment,
because we've gotten a lot of primes this year. We've
got Alchemist Prime, Soulless Prime, and all of them come

(02:12:40):
with their own little Prime kind of gadgetry or whatever.
So we'll find out what happens whenever we get all
that figured out at some point in the near future.
It is kind of cool to get the Core class
Rodamus figure or hot Rod, I'm not sure which one
he's going by. In this he can combine with the
base mode. He even has like his own little black

(02:13:01):
kind of trailer he can technically hide inside to. It
is kind of neat how you can store everything in
this figure, which is again kind of neat. The thing
that makes me think this particular figure is not for
me as a collector is it doesn't have the weight

(02:13:23):
of previous Titan class figures. Like again I've mentioned Black
Xeric or Title Wave or even something like the Arc
or the Nemesis which are some very big Titan class figures,
and they have a lot of play features. I think
the best Titan that's been done so far would probably

(02:13:45):
be Tripped to con and Scorpaannock. This figure. I think
it's based on a previous version of Optimist Prime known
as Galaxy Prime, if I'm not mistaken, But it just
it feels just very light, Like I don't think it's

(02:14:05):
necessarily demanding of the Titan class price point. If this
was a Commander class like your Studio series Optimus Prime,
your Studio series Ultramagnus, both of which you can now
find at retail as of this recording, I think that
would be a lot easier pill to swallow. He doesn't
he scales not quite as big as some of the

(02:14:27):
other Titans too. Like I'm pretty sure he wouldn't come
up as far as title waves, maybe just a little
bit below his shoulders if I had to rank them.
I just don't have this guy on my shelf just
yet as of this recording either. I will say the
base mode does have a lot of play for a
kid like I could see you using a lot of

(02:14:50):
the Core class figures and doing something kind of neat there,
But I just don't think it displays well in that
particular mode. In vehicle mode, it does look kind of
cool though, because, like I said, the big armored truck,
very power Master Optimist Prime like which I'll be looking
at my first masterpiece super Genre in a little bit.

(02:15:10):
But overall, if you can get Star Optimist Prime at
a lower price point than the current Titan price point,
it might be worth it as someone's first Titan, Like
if you have a younger family member who wants to
get in the Transformers and get into the larger stuff
that's maybe a little less like their Cyberverse stuff. I know,

(02:15:33):
there's like a Scorpa knock out right now. Maybe this
might be a good intro to that class of figures,
But for me, this just isn't doing it. So my
final verdict on Star Optimist Prime is maybe you can
avoid this one until a deep discount, or this might
be fine for someone who wants to get in the

(02:15:55):
Titan class and is younger and wants more playability, and
maybe you're a little less worried about something with a
lot of accessories or a lot of play features that
could break. I think that's a good way to kind
of look at as well. So my final vert on
Star Optimus Prime is wait for a price cut on

(02:16:16):
this particular figure, and we'll see what happens when eventually
we get all these primes and we can find out
what their pieces will eventually form into when we should
be able to get all thirteen finally out at sometime
in twenty twenty six. That's magnificent. Beat. Color me kooky,
but something very odd is going on around here. You're

(02:16:38):
not allowed to talk anymore. Hey, guys, welcome back to
this week in geek dot Net. Well that's the kind
of show. It's been a lot longer than I was expecting,
but hey, that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:47):
Was a super sized birthday show for you.

Speaker 1 (02:16:49):
Yeah. I'm honestly surprised how much we had to say
on certain topics, but hey, you know what, I'm fine
with it. It's always good. Yeah, So, I guess in terms
of announcements, we had a still got a lot of
Halloween programming, and we still have some resident Evil. We
did a special looking back at the at the Focus
Pocus Movies, talking about that this weekend. If you happen

(02:17:14):
to be local to the Gwelf area, I will be
on up at the University of GWELF from around to
till about six thirty maybe seven pm, and I will
be demoing convention scale games only like one two hour
Adventures for Star Trek Adventures second edition. And I'm also

(02:17:34):
going to be demoing Alien the RPG because Alien the
RPG has a new edition that as of freely publishing
sending out their email the Kickstarter backers, the Evolved edition
will be available and to Kickstarter people because it should
be fulfilling very soon, so if you're a Kickstarter backer
like me, you should be receiving that really soon. I'm

(02:17:55):
going to be using my PDF as well as my
older editions to do that. So that'll be on Saturday.
But the convention starts at ten am and runs till
ten pm, I want to say, at the University of Guelph,
so please look out for more information. You can go
to Griffcon on Facebook to find out more information about that.
In other news, Oh yeah, I didn't talk about this.

(02:18:18):
I just published a new Star Trek book if you
want to. Yeah, So if you go to the Modifious website,
either the UK or the American version, you can pick
up the twenty third Century Campaign Guide. I contributed a
bunch of the sidebars in that book, and there may
be some interesting little easter eggs if you know what

(02:18:41):
you are looking for. I got a chance to write
Doctor McCoy. I got a chance to write some Section
thirty one stuff and even hints about who the Orions
were dealing with in the twenty third century, and they
may be following certain rules of acquisition before they officially
were reconed by the Federation. So very very cool stuff.

(02:19:04):
And you can get that in PDF right now. The
physical copy should be shipping in January, I want to say,
so look at for that. Aaron also worked on the
book as well. We will be recording more Evergreen stuff
very soon. We are going through some of the Star
Trek original series movies and that'll probably be released at

(02:19:24):
some point, probably during our break. I know, me and
the Loose Cannon crew are working on some other stuff
because we've, like I said in the beginning, we kind
of did a little too much Halloween. But you can
never do too much.

Speaker 2 (02:19:36):
I also love I can say what we have programming wise,
at least for this little bit. As we lead finishing
off Spooky Season over the next week or so, we
have to go along with what just came out I
think a day ago. We started the Resident Evil movie
covers that you talked about earlier. The parts four, five,

(02:19:57):
and six are coming out this coming Sunday. We also
have a Earth for the soup this week called the
Evil of Frankenstein from a movie from nineteen sixty four.
We will also have the other next week, the other
loose Cannon that you did on I Guess, the ranking
of the movies, of the residival movies, and hopefully Hocus Pocus.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
All in Spooky Week.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
And to finish off the regular part of Spooky Week
before we have our special Halloween special is the Abbot
and Costello Meet Frankenstein Earth Versus Soup. So basically from
you know later on this weekend on it is every
single day chock full of spooky stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:20:38):
Yeah, like it's gonna be a very fun year for Halloween.
I produced a lot of really fun stuff. A lot
of really good conversations were had this year, and it
was really good to work with David Denoyer. He's been
a wonderful addition to the cruise. I'm really glad he's
working with us as closely as he is. Obviously, big
thanks to Ken and Adam for joining us for many conversations.

(02:21:00):
I'll be recording a special thing with Adam for end credits,
We'll be talking about our Halloween draft. I'll be recording
that on Saturday. Should be out on CFOU at some
point in the next week or so. I'll make sure
to post that on socials. Alex will repost it as well.
And yeah, so we're starting to get ready for holiday

(02:21:20):
gift Guide. We've got a lot of stuff already coming in,
so all of us are playing and giving impressions of
different stuff, So a lot of stuff to talk about,
almost too much.

Speaker 2 (02:21:29):
Sure that you have an informed, you know, decision. You know,
don't take our word for word for word, but we
want to be part of your of your decision making
process because I think at this point we've covered and
plate enough to know, you know, if something is worth
your time or not.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Yeah, exactly, if you're going to spend money on it,
I'd rather you make a good decision than like I
maybe saw ign gave it an eight out of ten.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
Especially in the days where game prices have gone up,
people's wages have not, and cost of living has gone up,
it's more critical than ever that you get some informed
decision making, you know, get some informed reviews and thoughts
from different people. So hopefully we could be a part
of that for you.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
Exactly. So, like I said, guys, a lot of good stuff.
I hopefully I will see some of you this weekend
at griff Gone. It would be wonderful. And yeah, oh,
one final thing I want to shout out go check
out on If you happen to be in Toronto, please
go to the Comedy Bar and please go check out
their D and D Live show. I think it's the

(02:22:32):
first Sunday of every month. I'm not one hundred percent
sure on that, but the group is called sex t
Rex and it is such a fun time. I did
that for my birthday and it was a fucking blast.
Please go check those guys out. And yeah, so and
again thank you to everybody who wished me a happy
birthday this year. It's exactly what I wanted, low key

(02:22:53):
but fun and I don't have to edit today, so
that's a great birthday present.

Speaker 2 (02:22:57):
So that's part of it there, buddy, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
So, anyway, guys, we are going to get out of here.
So for this geek, we have been Alex the producer
I've been Mike the Birdman saying, be excellent to each other.
We'll catch you guys again next week, right here on
This Week in geek dot Net. At no point in
your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything

(02:23:21):
that could be considered a rational thought.

Speaker 3 (02:23:25):
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