TWIG Special - Xmas 2025 - LOTR Retrospective Part 1 - Fellowship Discussion - ThisWeekInGeek

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hell, it's time for another special features.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey guys, this is Mike the Birdman here and well
this is a bit unusual. This is supposed to be
our Christmas special. Me and Alex were supposed to get
together to record something for the holidays. Unfortunately, timing just
did not work out this year, mostly between schedules and
the roads being kind of crap as well. So instead

(00:44):
Ken and Dave and Adam had recorded a special episode
of Loose Cannon.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I know I've been talking about doing.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Lord of the Rings this year, and I know it's
supposed to be coming back into theater sometime in the
next little bit, so I was supposed to be on
the recording with these guys. Unfortunately, that evening I had
slept about three hours and they basically threatened me with violence,
saying if I don't go to sleep, you kind of
get the idea. So this is what you're going to

(01:14):
be hearing in lieu of our traditional Christmas special. In
other programming notes, we are going to be doing The
Two Towers and the Return of the King at some
point when Twig comes back around January twenty sixth in
the new year, which should be twigs eighteenth or nineteenth
year of operation. We've been going since two thousand and seven,

(01:39):
so go us. So yeah, me and Alex I'll be
back along with the rest of the boys. Me and
JT have some stuff planned as he now has a
functioning headset and he's got a microphone, so we are
all set there. I'm currently reading the Invincible comics and
I've been watching the series on Netflix or not Netflix
on Amazon. So yeah, looking forward just to chatting about

(02:01):
more stuff in the new year. So as Christmas is
upon us, I want you guys to obviously have a
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(02:24):
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Speaker 4 (02:38):
And I'm playing a lot of video games.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
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(03:02):
will be back with the rest of the crew in
two thousand and twenty six. So now I'm off to
enjoy second dinner, we shall say, and uh, let's go
through a ring into Mount Doom. So happy holidays, and
I'll talk to you guys again in twenty and twenty six.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yum, yum, it's time for a tasty and refreshing snacks.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know what I can do with that?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I can do with that. The people in the video store,
which ones all of them, they never rent quality flicks.
They always picked the most intellectually devoid movie on the recks.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
No on with the show.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Hey guys, I am not Mike the Birdman, and welcome
to Loose Cannon Movie Review whatever we like to call it.
We like to call it the Video Start Podcast. And
I am not Mike the Birdman obviously, and I'm joined

(04:14):
with from Ohio.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
David Deny are coming to you from Troy, Ohio. And
I have to say I have been duped. I thought
you were Mike this entire time.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
What the hell man? Like? Mind blown?

Speaker 5 (04:32):
And that laugh you can also hear.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm Adam Adnson. I'm the one from Kalf who's not Mike. Yeah,
I've also uh Mike.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Mike is not here today because Mike needed sleep, he.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Needed he needed to smoke some of that some of
that hobbit weed and take a good rest because my
he is doing a lot right now. I'm just gonna
go ahead and say, right off the bat, I don't
know if I'm a fan of these movies. I have
nostalgia for them. I have nostalgia for them. I'm gonna

(05:13):
go ahead and just fucking drop it here, right here,
right now. This will be my first time watching Two
Towers and Return of the King. Now I'm going to
be watching the extended cuts of these films because my
girlfriend just so happens to be a very big Lord
of the Rings fan. So this is kind of also
what's prompted me to do this. I'm very I have
seen the best scenes of these movies. I'm very interested

(05:36):
to get into a conversation on this topic of these
films simply because I'm both looking for education from people
who may have read the books for that matter, or
anything that y'all can bring to the party that's not
the PS two games, which is legitimately where I got
the source of the story mostly of these films, because
I watched my neighbors who had the PS two games
play them but also had the extended cuts. But naturally

(06:00):
you go over and your friends like, hey, do you
want to watch a four and a half hour movie.
It's just like, I mean, we can play PlayStation. I
can pick up the story that way.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
So if you didn't read the title, we are talking
Lord of the Rings, Fellowship the Ring. We are going
through the entirety of the Lord of the Rings franchise
eventually in the next few months.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Let's be clear.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Let's be clear, it is almost Christmas. It is almost Christmas.
As we are recording this, we are a week away
basically from Christmas.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Because you're probably listening to this on Christmas.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's very possible, very possible. I have Christmas, by the way,
very Christmas to all of you.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I have been blown away by the genuine joy that
I've been diving into with movies, especially at Christmas time.
I've watched basically three new ones and revisited a lot,
and in that mindset, I don't understand how Lord of
the Rings fits into Christmas, but god damn it, with
this experience, it's probably gonna be a Christmas movie for

(07:10):
me now. And I don't have any intention at this
current time to revisit these films on my own unless
someone prompts them. So that's a big deal for me
to be like, well, now, fuck, I'm gonna link Lord
of the Rings to Christmas.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I just want to. I just want to, just want
to lay that out there right there.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
To be honest, I'm going to people. Most people do
link these movies to Christmas because Jackson likes so. Peter
Jackson likes to release stuff around his birthday. His birthday
is is like this week. I believe it's like a day.
It's like around this time, same around the same birthday

(07:44):
as me. I forget when exactly his birthday is, but
like he likes to release stuff around his birthday because
he likes going to the movies on his birthday as
much as I do.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, No, that's that's the best experience.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
What I think, what's hilarious to me, and this may
be a good starting point for us all I I
know that I rented this movie when it came out
at our local Hollywood video back in the day, and like,
I was it.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Two thousand and one? Is this two thousand and one?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yes, two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, So I know I rented this as a kid
who had not read the literature, was very familiar with
the fact that existed. And you know what it essentially was.
I rented Fellowship, which would have been the theatrical cut,
and I enjoyed it. I thought it was decent, but like,
it just didn't. It didn't hit for me to the
point where I was just like, oh man, now I've

(08:31):
got to see Two Towers and now I've got to
see Return of the King. And that could have been
my attention span. It could have been the fact that
again I didn't.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Like we were we were younger, We were pretty work
at that time.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, I mean, if we're talking two thousand and one,
because Ken, I think you and I were born the
same year. If I'm not mistaken. So we would have
been what we would have been ten basically or No.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Nine, nine or ten, depending on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
So it was in the same realm of a kid
that grew up playing with medieval knights and watch Mystic
Knights of Tyrannog and like you know, uh.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
We are.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Fans. Our fantasy vibe is real old school Reord of
the Rings is high fantasy.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, it's like if you if you presented me currently,
so this is the first time I've seen this movie
in probably twenty years, if you presented me with the
option right now to watch I need to have something
fair to compare it to. Is Princess Bride fair to
compare it to? Or is that just too too sacred?

Speaker 5 (09:32):
I would say, I would say something like Dragonheart or
Lady Hawk, Legend.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Let's say Legend, Legends, Legends.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
So let's say you present me with Legend or I
can watch it with the Rings, not not assessing the
run times, because that's that's not a fair comparison right
off the start. But if you give me the option
to watch Legend or Lord of the Rings, I'm gonna
go to Legend. And to be perfectly honest, I've probably
seen both movies around the same amount of times. I've
seen Legend maybe twice in my life, and I've seen
Lord of the Rings now Fellowship of the Ring twice.
If you present those two options, I'm gonna go with Legend.

(10:03):
I don't have any issue at all. Lord of the Rings.
I genuinely was trying to remember, like you know what,
I what I had initially thought of that first you know,
viewing and whatnot, and what was hilarious to me was again,
like I said in my intro, I pieced it together
because of ah shit, I'm gonna go ahead and say this.
I pieced it together because the neighbors that I was

(10:24):
friends with we had recreated scenes from Lord of the
Rings via a Lego camera like the camera that came
with the.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Lego sets you can film like Lego movies that hooked
to your computer.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
To where when I was sitting with my girlfriend this
past weekend, I was like, Okay, I remember it's like,
you know, it's something along the lines of when did
Sorum on the sor on the wise reason for madness
blah blah blah, and explain to her like what like
we had shot like to where we had dog bones
as the as the wanes, and we were like throwing
them at each other in the sense of like throwing

(10:58):
them forward, and like my friend was doing rake dancing
is Gandolf in the one scene, and like the way
that we the way that we recreated the way that
we recreated Gandalf ascending to the top was his brother,
and I held a blanket over him and we brought
it down as he just screamed into the camera to
make it look like it was getting smaller and smaller.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So genuinely the experienced Lord of the Rings for me
is not is not negative by any aspect, but the
fact that I saw Lord of the Rings but was
more prudent to Peter Jackson's early work like Dead Alive,
Meet the Feebles, Bad Taste, because that was the stuff
I latched onto in my teenhood and like, you know,

(11:43):
my early twenties and whatnot, like that was the stuff
I went back to because like Dead Alive aka brain Dead,
you know, his really famous zombie movie and Bad Taste,
like these early movies he did were not anything at
all to where it's just like, let's hamm this guy,
the Lord of the Rings proper that sounds like a
good idea. Let's go ahead and do that. Like it's
crazy to think about that. And I am so grateful

(12:07):
now to have you know, his knowledge of him being
such a fucking cinophile and nerd that this all makes
sense now.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah. I for me, I cannot stand trying to I've
tried to digest the books of Lord of the Rings
multiple times in multiple ways, like I I own the
I own the Andy Serkis audio books. I still can't

(12:40):
get through the pros of Lord of the Rings. It
is so it's so insufferable to.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Me because I feel like his voice would at least
help it, because like, can we ye, we all agree
that we maybe tried to read whether it was The
Hobbit or Lord of the Rings at one point, because
I absolutely can confirm that I tried to read The
Hobbit at one point and I have read them both. Yeah,
I read. I read the entire trilogy in the Hobbit. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I read The Hobbit in high school. Actually I was
it was a sign of his English class work. And
then after that, I it was a few years later
I'd read all of the Rings. And that's because I
was like commuting on the boss to and from university classes.
And so when you have like thirty minutes to kill
an hour to kill to and from, can you can

(13:27):
read Lord of the Rings?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
And yeah, a year but oh yeah, I mean I read.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I still I'm still shocked that I read Stephen Kings
in junior high. So that absolutely makes sense.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
I mean, I've I you're talking to someone that consumed
the final Harry Potter book in like three hours.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Those those are quite great though, well, and and like
that totally tracks because so it's interesting because this yeah,
this year in particular, I've read fifteen books and that's
like the most I've read in a long time. And
what I've realized by having like a continuous like kind
of reading schedule, making myself read and whatnot, our imaginations

(14:07):
are so much more powerful than what we see on screens,
to the degree of the fact that books can delve
into a detail that a movie can never touch. That's
the one thing I've heard about Lord of the Rings
is that you know, yeah, you you you can like
the movies, but like the books are really where it's at.
And then in the last like five years, I would
say people are really coming forward to me, and like,

(14:27):
Tolkien's a great writer, but he's really hard to read
unless you are really into this.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah. For me, it's his prose that I just find it.
He's meandering. It feels like I'm meandering through the actual
story like you. He spends like pages of just.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
A source book of the Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yeah, it feels like reading a story book.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But I mean, so, Adam, is somebody that has read
the books? Is it multiple times or just the ones?
Just the ones, just the ones. So would you say
that is somebody that is coming into this that has
no idea of the lore or no idea of like
what has been laid before the grounds of the film
that unless you kind of have some backstory, it might

(15:22):
be tough to grab onto.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
I mean watching the movie or getting into the books a.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
So if you haven't, if you haven't read the book
or are familiar with the source material, do you think
it's easy to latch onto these movies?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Is kind of my question.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
No, I I I think by it. I was reading
the book between two of the movies, so because I
had I had I read The Hobbit in high school
and then the Fellowship of the Ring. Maybe I've read
a Lord of the Rings as they were preparing to
release Fellowship of the Ring. I can't remember what what

(15:56):
what I will say is we're watching Fellowship of the
Ring and it's been about ten years since I ever
watched it. What I found is that it's a really
good adaptation in terms of like taking like like the
major story beats and condensed, like there's a lot of meandering. Like. Yeah,
I mean one of the big things people, may you know,
talk about in terms of the adaptation is no Tom Bombadil,

(16:19):
who is this character who like Pops.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, I know enough of Tom Bombadil to know that
if he had been in the movies, it would have
been insufferable.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Would have been insufferable, because I mean, he's this character
where I don't know if everybody here remembers the X
Men arcade game where you would you would play Wolverine
or Cyclops, but then you could like call in like
Archangel or Storm just to like come in and say
that you had to Bombadil.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You had to build up your special to a certain
point if I remember correctly, and then you could then
you could call them in.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, Oh my god, you just took me back.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
So, like the Hobbits are going along and they're they're
you know, heading through the forest, and then like they
get into like some major not literal quicksand but just
like they get into major trouble, they get in the
quicksand metaphorically speaking, and they're like, wait, Tom Bombadil, he's
out there. We'll just call his name and he'll come
and he'll get us out of this jam and we'll

(17:19):
be on our way. It's it's a real Dio sex
on Bombadil all at times.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah. And and what's oddly enough is like watching the
extended edition, and maybe it's just because I'm now in
my thirties and watching these, I've I'm more engrossed in
the character parts of this story than I ever was,

(17:52):
And like this is this is the first time watching
the extended Zabviouh, like Dave, but for me, it's the
I'm more engrossed in this in the actual character stuff,
like I love with Fellowship. I think the highlights for
me were uh Vigo as Aragon Aragon and uh Sean

(18:20):
Beans borermere like the and and obviously and obviously Frodo.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I've got to interrupt you because the Bormere thing,
this is a really funny thing that my experience I
have my girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Again, I had I had had the the.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Experience of Lord of the Rings in regards of the story,
from catching bits and pieces of the extended cuts at
my neighbor's house and also playing the PS two games. Uh,
I forgot that Aragon Aragorn was the fucking name, and
I was and my girlfriend was just like yeah, and
I was, you know, just like you know, Viga Mortenson.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
But I was like, oh, yeah, Borimir.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And she's like, that's not boring, and I was like,
I was like, no, baby, I was like, it's totally bored.
And like I said that, I said that to my
girlfriend who was seeing these movies.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Multiple time, and she like she just listenally.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
She's like, no, that is Eric Ward and I was like, oh,
I know nothing about this.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I should not be correct.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah, so what was I also, to be fair, I
think Eric Gordon says his name.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
He's Strider. He's fucking Strider.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
The entire goddamn thing and like what was hilarious though.
I don't know if you guys have ever seen the
show why this kid?

Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
But they did a sketch about the lost.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Ending of Lord of the Rings, which is basically where
their spoiler alert, uh pissed about the fact that Gandalf
didn't send the Big Eagle to you know, take care
of the ring drop of the volcano and like, you
know whatnot and I remember that like, you know, boring
me or died, Like that's a fucking line like from
the sketch and whatnot. So that was where that came from.

(20:04):
So I genuinely had no no personal point of of
declaration or any right to say, oh no, man, that's
totally bored me.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Like you've seen these movies multiple times. I've seen them once.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
That is totally But he is introduced using an alias,
and I mean this to get to the point of
like help having read the books Help or Hinder. There
there is the scene of the Counsel of l Rod
where he's introduced as eric On and that it's where
you're you're you're meant to meant to feel like this
is a major revelation. Unless you're like kind of familiar

(20:40):
with that, Laurie, you're not really sure what it means
that he is Eric Gorne arab Air to Issiel door
and all of this. And I mean, having said that,
I think one of the great successes of this film
perhaps a bit differently than you know, it's major fantasy,
serious contempt, which is like Harry Potter films, it knows

(21:02):
when when it is best to divert from the source material. Yes,
in the d telling a cinematic story. There is so
much of the Harry Potter movies that just feel like
especially those first two Harry Potter movies where it feels
like they are wearing a dog chain. Yeah, of just
like plot.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, that's what was interesting to me from the experience
of watching these, you know, like for the first time
in like twenty years and I and I say these,
I've only watched Fellowship at this point. Just to be clear,
what was interesting about revisiting Fellowship was I I had
such a bitchy comment that I still kind of stand by.
But also I understand to where it's basically like you

(21:44):
could start this movie at the meeting of them being
like we have to go do this. If you were
doing a regular ninety minute movie, you could start this
at the whole meeting between the elves and and I.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Mean Council of el Rod is in the exact middle.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I was closed, yeah it, But but I absolutely understand,
you know, as as somebody that had very loose memory
of the theatrical version, I completely understand why the Extended
would have such a delve into the shire and all
the citizens of it.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I genuinely did enjoy that stuff. It was great.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was honestly really nice to kind of get cozy
into the village. Which, looking at a at a comparison
between the theatrical and the extended earlier today, I can
say that you would expect this to be a lot
more of visceral violence and a little bit more of

(22:43):
introduction of characters. The most of the extended cut seems
to be like Shire stuff, with little interludes here and
there of like more increased like violence and whatnot. But
like the Shire is really delved into in this extended cut,
which I think does give the viewer a experience of
the safety that everybody feels at the beginning of this movie,
to where when you leave it you're just like, oh,

(23:05):
we're fucked.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah. I because I have the original Blu Ray release
of the Extended I have the little pamphlet and it
actually tells you what's extended, what's an extended scene, what
got added, and what's just direct from the theatrical Yeah,

(23:32):
and I honestly, honestly the first half, because I watched
them watch the extended in two sessions. I watched basically
the first half one night and the second half literally
this morning. The first half, I'm actually really engrossed in

(23:57):
the story, and I'm I'm actually like, oh no, I'm
actually really enjoying living in this world and kind of
breathing it in and enjoying myself.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
There's the characters.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
The characters link you to the atmosphere, and then when
you get into the characters experiencing and discovering the atmosphere,
you really get a sense of the danger that this
journey actually is.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I know that's funny to say, because.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's just like, oh, we have to take this very
evil ring to a volcano to make sure that no
one else can get corrupted. You know, if you're just
joining us now and you are not familiar with the
Lord of the Rings, it's an evil ring and they
have to destroy it because the forces of evil that
want it know that it exists. Because it basically sends
out a Wi Fi signaled to Wi Fi available when
it's in the fucking area of these enemies. At this point,

(24:47):
I digress it.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
So and it's also just like a representation of power
corrupts absolutely in the sense that anyone who is carrying
it and or around it will get corrupted.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I and you know, going back to the extended cut,
the fact that they did not include in the original
theatrical of him getting shot with arrows in the water
when he originally gets the ring. Yeah, feels like a
complete robbery of the corruption that this ring represents in
this film because the idea that he goes into the water.

(25:26):
I'm sorry, I say, he I there's so many people
in this movie I cannot for these characters. But Adam,
you're welcome to fill in the gaps as I go
with this. But basically, the first person that gets the
ring after taking it from Sarmon, this is sealed Door. Yeah,
from U from sarn Is it Simon?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Sn Somon is Christopher.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's Christopher Lee.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So the moment that he gets that ring from a
battle where he basically chops it from his fingers and
then puts it on, he needs to escape from the battlefield,
so he dives into this nearby body of water, and
when he dives into the water, the ring comes off
and the orcs shoot him full of fucking arrows. And
that's not in the theatrical, which is kind of crazy

(26:13):
to me because.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Back floating down.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, but you don't see the actual impact.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Like I feel like the actual impact, the actual scene
of it happening and whatnot, is really power.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
And also the narration of the ring betrayed him.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, I I think honestly what won me over
in regards of realizing, you know, this is a good
movie like it. So this is where it's been tough
for me, is I'm in that phase of my life
to where I have to distinguish the fact that I
have Letterbox, but I.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Also have movies I love.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Now, therefore, the movies that I love, I understand all
the five stars some of them and most of them
will be I can't help that. But Lord of the Rings,
Fellowship of the Ring. I gave it a four star
experience because I was just like, no, this is genuinely
a great film. The achievement that this film is and
everything is absolutely you know, easy to look at from

(27:13):
both the history of it the production of it and everything,
but more so what I'm saying to bring this back
to this scene, you need to understand the devastation that
this ring causes. And I'm not saying that you don't
get that from the actual interpretation of both the synopsis
and literature and whatnot. No, I get that, but like,
as a person coming into this movie the first time,

(27:35):
I genuinely and I know I'm saying that word a
lot in this podcast, but it's just like this kind
of really hit with me at a certain point to
where it was like, Okay, you are showing me both
the corruption and the demise that this ring can bring,
which I guess I really never latched onto as somebody
that had only seen Fellowship and then picked up the
story from the PS two games, Like, it's weird to

(27:57):
say that as it's Lord of the fucking Rings, but
at this time it's kind of it's kind of interesting
that they would choose to cut that because you know,
you are seeing the soul leave its body from the
fact of the greed floating in front of it.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Literally, Peter Jackson, sorry, go ahead, yeah, but like.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
What I got through of the original Fellowship book, it
represents that by telling you the entire tale of Glum, right, yeah. Yeah,
And obviously we don't get that in Fellowship, we get
that in Two Towers.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
But again in the Extended we get more of him.
That really does again kind of bring this full circle
with you kind of know that stuff. The one thing
that I really did enjoy this go round was diving
into the fact of that he is still in the story,
but we're not going to get there yet.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
He is the ultimate tease and the fact that I.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Don't know sincerely what was cut of him from the
theatrical to the extended. I really like the fact that
his presence was there because I feel like, I mean,
I'm gonna go ahead and say this, like i feel
like in the top like three to five popular characters
of LTR, Gollum is like probably three, and there's no

(29:21):
way to move that stone.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, he's in it. I did. I did rewatch the
theatrical cut because I'm it comes to the Lord of
the Rings. I like the extended editions as like like
what if, like time and like studio notes and and
and all of all of the polo.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
To this day, I've never seen Donny Darko theatrical I've
only seen the director's cut.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
That's all I've watched. So yeah, the movies.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Which the director's cut is, I think the like Blade
Runner for example, but the or Brazil or.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Even the five cuts a Blade Runner or are we
just talking about those first three within the it's like,
you know, two decades of its release.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I know, like the original director's cut. I think that's
like when we're getting into the final cut it I mean,
no disrespect to Servidly, but I mean at that point
we're just masturbating the the.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I saw the do and there's some that do. I mean,
there are some so so gotta go on record. Blade
Runner is a movie I've seen once in my life,
and I don't know that'll ever change.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Interesting, We'll we'll deal with that another day for for now.
Just you know, look, we're just I like the theatrical cut,
I ask as it goes on in like The Two
Towers and The Return of the King. I especially latch
onto the theatrical cut more because there is like an
economy of storytelling. And in the Fellowship, your point about

(30:45):
Gollum is really really good in the way it uses
them because he's in three scenes. There's the the flashback
to when Bilbo finds the ring right in the cave,
you see a kind ofment. You see him in shadow
and you see hear him, you know, scream. He you
see the bits and pieces that he's tortured in. Yeah, yeah,
he's tortured, and he's he's following them through the minds

(31:08):
of Mora and and uh where Gandalf has this like
you know, yeah, following us and protos like well why
did like I wish Bilbo had just killed him, and
and Gandalf lays out this like important life lesson. It's like, well,
you know, sometimes there's it's more more humanity and not
killing someone even if they deserve it, as opposed to

(31:29):
killing someone because they deserve it. Yeah. So it's it's
it's really really good about you know, introducing this character
is going to be very very important in future chapters
in ways that makes him feel in the story. But
I have a feeling like if Lord of the Rings
were to be made today, like for the first time film,
like Gollum would be just in there, you would get

(31:50):
like these like cuts of Gollum. It's from Gollum's perspective
as he's following them in the Cave, and I'm going.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
To give a perfect current example. It's amount of penny
wine as they used recently and Welcome the Dairy that
people were not expecting.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Okay, I haven't watched Welcome to the Dairy yet, but interesting,
Yeah he didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Penny Wise did not show up until episode five of
a series.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, that is restraint. It's restraint, and they are twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Five and see that's that's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's just like because he is again I have not
seen the movie ever in its entirety. He is all
over two Towers because he basically becomes a character because
they find him along the path.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Correct he I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
He have been because spoiler alert, fro Too and Sam
continue on to Mordar.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
What bro Bro.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I thought they were just gonna all gonna like, you know,
rescue Mary and Piffen and then like there was just
gonna be a musical dance number.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Are you kidding me? What?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I wouldn't discount the musical dance number?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
No, no, no, we gotta get the talking trees in there though,
for that mean talking.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Trees, yes, and so I mean gallam enters the picture
like at a moment where you know, Sam and Fred
are particularly vulnerable being Hobbits alone on the road to Mortar,
so that that that does make a lot of sense. Yeah,
the the use of Gollum, I also think because they
hadn't fully appreciated how they would realize gollam as as

(33:16):
an effect and as a as a preacher. I think that,
if I remember correctly, that took some time to work
out as well. So I mean that's another interesting thing
is like all these movies are made at once in
the name of efficiencies, but they're still kind of figuring
them out as as they're being made too. And I
think that too because.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're never going to see that again. We've reached an
age of cinema. This is never going to happen again.
And that's kind of one of the things that is
really interesting about Lord of the Rings is I feel like,
and maybe I'm talking about my ass here, and I
apologize if I am, but I feel like the popularity
for these films has kind of sunk a little bit

(33:54):
in the last five years or so.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
I think the I think they're my main issue with
Lord of the Rings as it is, has affected like
the movie landscape in general fantasy as a genre has
not like when you when you do the Grandfather of

(34:19):
All fantasy, like Lord of the Rings in cinema, it's
only a downward spiral from there.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, offline, we were talking about the popular merger deal
going on right now between who is going to get
Warner Brothers essentially, and you know, you take into the
account that Amazon did this show, that was what fans
had and I say this lightly, what fans had requested
and you know, said they wanted for forever. And I've

(34:50):
genuinely heard that Rings of Fire is laughable.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Oh the Rings of Power show. I couldn't get through
the first fucking episode.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, I've no desire to watch it at all. And
that's it's.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Hilarious that, like, you have this very strong set of
three films that really hit.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
What makes it, what makes it crazy is that with
Rings of Power everything feels fake even though I know
it's real.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
That's that's so interesting because I think it's a fall
that started with Hobbit movies. Now I haven't watched the
Hobbit movie since they came out, but I I mean,
I remember it's like sitting there and it's like you're
trying to capture lightning in a bottle, using like the
Hobbit wasn't.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Built in movies?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
How is it.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I've seen the book.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I've held the book up compared to The Lord of
the Rings, and I've been like, how did we get
three movies out of you?

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Exactly. I I I own a fan cut that is
about two and a half hours, and it's and it
just mashes everything into a two and a half.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I have I have I have heard through the grape
vine that that is very good, is the essential way
to view it. And that also is something that is
kind of crazy for me, because I mean, it's not
I mean, it's not dumb to say these movies were phenomenon.
They were a phenomenon at the time it came out, and.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
And heck as in January, they're gonna they're going to
re release these for the twenty.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Fifth and then theaters.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, I mean, and you know what's interesting to me
is the phenomenon that he's created. I remember, I mean,
I was there. We all have that matter. And that's
why I'm saying it's just like I feel like Rings
of Power, It's kind of like with Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice.
I'm a huge Beetlejuice fan. I was really excited for
Beetle Juice Beetle Juice. I was just like, this could

(36:48):
be really fun. I was very realistic though, when my
again just my opinion, when my suspicions got confirmed that
this was a Member Berries on top of Member Berries,
I was just like, I don't know if I even
want this to exist now, Like it's weird saying that,
but like I've heard that insane fucking sentence from people

(37:09):
about Rings of Power. It's just like, this is everything
that we asked for for years, that we said, like,
you know, was never gonna be possible, and now that
we have it, it's just like, shit, I'd rather watch
the original trilogy.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
It doesn't make me wonder about the same fate for
the Harry Potter HBO series too, because I remember having
a conversation with someone back in the day that's like
they could just take the books and turn those into scripts,
and I'm like, well, you're gonna get that, and I
think you're going to be profoundly unsatisfied when I think the.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Problem I mean, and we can go ahead and just
there's this apple, right in the ass.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
There's a reason.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Why, there's a reason why they want to do that.
Why Jaka specifically wants to do this. She wants to
erase everyone that.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Has supported supported supported trans I mean, we can go
ahead and fucking say it, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
But she wants she wants to the original cast, who
is all all denounced her.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yes, well, I.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Mean, you know, shifting away from that topic, it's it
is one thing to can I mean, can you imagine
if it's just like HBO presents Fellowship of the Ring,
a twelve part series, Like I would literally like I
would not want like, yeah, I would be like I
would be like, I I don't have eighty seven, four
hundred and sixty two million hours.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I just don't want it.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I can't it.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Like I would see that and be like, ah shit.
And it's hilarious too, because bringing back Welcome the Dairy,
Welcome to Dairy, I feel like, did it really well
because it's just like, here's eight episodes that's gonna be
the era right before we get into it chapter one,
and then we're gonna go back and then we're gonna
go back again. And I'm like, Okay, I'm fine with that.

(38:50):
With Lord of the Rings, this original trilogy starting with Fellowship.
I know this world, I know these characters, I know
what the goal is, and to be perfectly honest, I
enjoyed the ride. It's again not something you know, I
would go back to, but I think the lore that
is here and what has been created and what has

(39:11):
been laid about is really easy to get into. And
it's also these performances. I mean, for Fox's sake, this
is a nearly twenty five year old movie, and yep,
the the performances that we have here, I don't know
if we're gonna get them in future projects. And I
don't know if that's cynical of me to say, or

(39:32):
if it just kind of being a little bit weary
of the current.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
You can you cannot replicate Vigo Mortensen just exuding cool, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Like.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
You just like from moment one, I'm like, oh, this
guy's a badass.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
He wasn't supposed to be Oragon originally? Who was? Yeah?
Who was originally cast? Eric? And I can't remember, I.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Forget, I can't. Again, you're asking the wrong person on that.
My my, my, my initial my initial performance that really
grabbed onto me. I mean obviously, you know I McKellen,
his Gandalf stand off stand out. There's nothing that you
can say about that. It was more so like and
this might be morbid to say, but man, seeing Christopher

(40:23):
Lee on a screen again and performing to a point
where it's.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Just like shit, in just a few years, he's gonna
be Willie Wonka's father like. It was just like but
also she like I remember seeing him.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
That this was this was one of his dream projects
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
He literally instructed Peter Jackson on how to stab people
properly because he did it in the war.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
And he's as he also knew Tolkien.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
He knew Tolkien and and you know, maybe that's also
something that needs to be said, is that we've already
mentioned it earlier that like Tolkien is tough to read,
Tolkien was a spirit that unfortunately will not ever exist
in the same form it did on this on this
earth plane. Whatever you want to believe for that matter,

(41:15):
it is Tolkien had a presence of knowing the environment,
knowing these characters, knowing his beliefs, and putting that into
this to an extent of expanding the lore of the
grounds he laid.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
And I mean in the age of.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I mean, like you know, going back to legend again
and like those movies that were coming out, Lord of
the Rings definitely did stand out. I mean, can you
imagine the nineteen eighties like Lord of the Rings or
even for that matter, in nineteen seventies, like it would
have been really weird. And we have the cartoon movies,
the Bakshi stuff and everything, and those are awesome. Yeah,
but I more so mean like a.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Live action like this was something that people had not
ever thought was going to be possible.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, it comes out of the perfect time, Like the
technology has emerged just far enough. Like they're watching the
early scenes of like the Battle of the Final Battle
where Saron is defeated and you see like the digital
armies on the cliff sides and the like. You can
you can see the pixels straining and in some of
those seams you can see the seams, but there's still

(42:23):
something like they're like the I feel like the naus
Ghoul is something I would probably be completely CGI now
and with given like CGI cloaks so move and yeah,
do we know what they would like?

Speaker 5 (42:33):
They would look like fucking dementors.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Did production start like back in ninety ninety eight, ninety nine, I.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Think, so I believe it was ninety eight. It was
like summer and ninety eight ors summer in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
So I'm gonna go ahead and make this statement, and
if I'm wrong, I'll be wrong. But I would honestly
say that I fully believe that Stephen Summers the Mummy
laid the ground for Lord of the Rings to run. Yes,
because I mean Summers comes out with that ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
We get this into that fin one.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
I'm I'm sure Jackson looked at that and said, Okay,
we are ready to go.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
So yeah, no, that was That was one of the
things that I really like came into mind with while
watching this. It was just like, you know, I watched
this on a four K, on a four K you know,
print and whatnot. You know, I watched it on digital
four K or whatnot, and again had not seen this
in twenty years. There were parts that absolutely were just like, oh,
that effect is hoky and whatnot. But for the most

(43:42):
part I was entertained. I didn't have a point where
it was just like man, that looks bad or oh,
like I can totally like see where like you know,
the lines are whatnot, Like I didn't care about that
because I thought the story was so engrossing to a
point where it was just like I really loved.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
For me, there was like maybe one or two effects
where I'm like, Okay, that's a little dated.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
But even the fucking fire dragon firework like that looked
if I could have that, if I can launch that
once in my life, I could die happy. Like if
I am at a party and I just go out
back with a lighter and I just suddenly shoot a
firework dragon off into the air and my friends are
just like cheering, Oh, I could die happy, man Like
that was that was really again like going back to

(44:29):
like how much they delve into the shire in this one.
That was a really cool thing to watch the community
of the shire to understand that when the danger starts encroaching,
when we see sorry, somebody correct me, what are they?
What do they call the the the demons on horse,
the no school, the noschool? Yeah, when the oschool starts
riding now and you know, are getting close to the

(44:50):
shire and Gandolf is like frodo, where the fuck you
put that ring at you?

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Like, you know, yeah, maybe maybe not those exact words,
but that's basically gist of it.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
But no, like it was just like I was.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I was enthralled in the environment because I got to
kind of live with those people for a bit and
to be perfectly honest, like Bilbo Baggins is a bit
of a dick.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Oh yeah, yep, bill Bow's a drug hosting.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
A party and being like, never liked any of you
and now I'm gonna disappear.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Also before that, and he's like this, like having a
party for my birthday. It's kind of a pin in
the ass, like a bunch of people are coming here.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
I hate Yeah, it's like it was.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Basically he walks up on stage, Fuck all of y'all,
love you.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
And I'm out. I'm finally leaving this chirk Water town.
You'll never see me again. I won't miss any of you.
Maybe Freud so Adam.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I have to ask, as somebody that's read the book
The Minds of Moria sequence, is there more information in
regards to uh to the fact that like Ghimley has
not been there in twenty plus fucking years apparently because
we have skeletons here.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, I don't remember exactly, but I mean the thing
the movie does play very I don't want to say
fast and loose, but it does paper over the fact
that a lot of time passes over the course of
the film to the book. Yeah, yeah, like years go
by between when Bilbo leaves the Shire and Gandolf comes

(46:27):
back with this revelation about what the ring actually is.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
That totally that totally tracks.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, so there's there's a lot of it. There's a
lot of fuzing with how much time has gone.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, because that's that's what was funny was watching the
movie was and again I remember this because like this
is a pretty you know, heavy scene for both the
action and just the suspense of builds up, but Ghimli
being like there's gonna be meat off the bone and
you know, we'll all have showers and all this stuff,
and it's just like you get there and you're just like, bro,
how long has it then since you've been here?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Like it's a tomb, like.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Were you just here yesterday? Because if so, we got
a really serious problem. Or also your fucking memory does
not hold?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
And I think, yeah, I think it's it's implied that
this is you definitely see this in The Hobbit too,
which focuses a great deal on the dwarves and they're
they're sort of interconnectivity that they're not great at keeping
in touch. And I mean this is also a very
big world as well, where you know, it's hard to hard,

(47:30):
hard to keep the most powerful ring the world in
your in your pocket without uh you know, without it
getting lost in the river bed for two thousand years.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
So well, and like the whole intro again where they
explained the the the creation of the Ring, we'll say,
m that delves so much more in the EXTENDICU that again,
and I kind of relatched onto the Lord of the Ring.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Uh this this go round?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
H Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
I think because we are specifically because we're older now,
I think we can parse a lot more than we
did when these movies came out and we were like
ten friakin years old.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, and like I say that knowing that if you
handed me this trilogy and said you have to pick
one film to watch and then you're going to die,
Like I know, that's a very drastic point to like make,
but like, knowing what I know, having not even seen
the two other films in their entirety, I'm going with
Return of the King, because not only is it the
conclusion you know, of the series that I've heard that

(48:40):
I've heard and seen for the most part, like is great,
but also everything's laid out already. That said, you have
to have these first films, and Fellowship does a really
good job of laying everything out to a point where
I have no complaint really on what I'm supposed to
know going into the film and being amped for going

(49:01):
into the next film.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I think that's one of the great gifts of these
films is that, I mean, they are all connected, they're
three parts of the same story, but they are all
also all uniquely self contained too. With you know that
this is a movie called The Fellowship of the Ring.
It you know, it doesn't begin with the Fellowship coming together,
but it's building up the world and it's building up
the mission, and then the Fellowship comes together, and it

(49:24):
ends with the Fellowship breaking apart and going off on
their own unique journeys. And then you know, you pick
up with the Two Towers, and there's a there's a
very specific rhythm to that, and it's essentially about like
things are falling apart and how do you find the
strength to persist and know that goodness can win out

(49:46):
and and you know it's a it's a film about
or the story I should say, it's about, you know,
can your hope, can your optimism be rewarded when it
gets to the end of obviously talk about Two Towers,
but like, there is a there is a beat in
the Two Towers that I really really like, I find

(50:07):
is a little hopeful, a little positive that you know,
in this moment where you think everything is gone, you
you find the strength like, but we have this one
more chance, this one last chance, and maybe it will
all come together and we can it can all work out,
and good can triumph.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
And feels like the opposite of the Empire. Just gonna
say that right off the back.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah, you know it's it's a little bit, but you know,
the running time of Two Towers, it's like two and
a half hours of like this can't possibly get any worse,
and it keeps getting worse, and that there is this
like this uptick at the end. I think that's why
Two Towers it's like maybe my favorite. And that might
be a controversial take.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I feel like that is generally the favorite, though, am
I am?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I not wrong? I don't think I don't. I think
I've I've always believed I'm the weirdo liking the middle.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Well because I like, I think's Return the favorite.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I think a lot of people like fellowship, and I
think people have issues with the way Return of the
King just doesn't want to fucking end.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Oh you mean the four?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
The four?

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
The four official endings we get and then the actual ending.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's also a pile up at the at the beginning
as they're trying to sort out a lot of this
stuff carried over from Two Towers. It's both these movies.
It's a rough half. It's a rough first thirty minutes
of Return of the King in a rough last thirty
minutes of Return of the King. But I think, again,
this is my I haven't watched these in ten years. Oh,

(51:48):
I'll be interested to see how that works.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I really hope that this time listens to this episode
before he joins us for the next one, because I
feel like we we we we ourselves have made a
fellowship in this episode of that's going to stand on
this movies.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Yeah, in a very weird way. You are correct, well.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Like becoming in like Gallum next episode.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
So I've got I've gotta say, like, one thing I
really did want to kind of go into a little
bit is I I feel like with the battle sequences
in this film, if you cut those out just by
themselves and said, hey, would you want to watch this movie,
at least sixty to seventy percent of people would say yes,

(52:38):
because this is a this is a cinematic carnage that
we don't get anymore.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
And I hate saying that, but because like because it's real.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yes, it's yeah, it's it's a degree of practical and
SFX but being used to value both, and you have
to have that because I mean, I'm a huge indie
film ANIFILM nerd like I love watching, you know, young
filmmakers and new filmmakers make their stuff. There has been

(53:10):
just an uptick recently with stuff to where it's just like,
I know what you were going for, But I wish
I could see this movie.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Ten years ago.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Mm yep M.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
And with Lord of the Rings, that was one thing
I really latched onto was again, you know, we're we
are old guys at this point we can go ahead
and say that it's fine, this is this is a
movie that we were there for. We remember when it
came out. We remember what the big deal it was,
we remember how people thought it was never going to happen,

(53:42):
and seeing what actually was created, what people latched onto,
what fans latch onto. I absolutely understand why people love
these movies.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Hmm. Yeah, it's it's remarkable because, yeah, it was long
considered unfilmable and even the Bakshi movies, which were animation like,
could only get through like two of the three books, yeah,
two and a half ish, Yeah, I mean again was

(54:11):
mentioned like Peter Jackson's intestity does these like over the
top horror movies. He does Heavenly Creatures, he does the Frighteners.
There's nothing in there that's that said he had this
in him.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Heavenly Creatures has been criminally forgotten.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
And then that film.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
That film is exceptionally disturbing and prolific in its dissection
of both lesbian relationships and homicide.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah, I would agree, and I think like Frighteners has
its faults, but it also has a lot of charm too.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I love Frighteners.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I really hope someday we get the four and a
half hour cut that he's hinted at, because he said
he does have it, and I would watch everything because dude,
if you're gonna give me an hour of John Aston's
Cowboy Ghost backstory, oh I'm so fucking in.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Yeah, no, I'm there too. It's interesting after having recently
watched like the Springsteen movie, which is also about how
he was inspired by the Tale of Starkweather in a
different way. Yeah, it's it's fascinating because there was just

(55:21):
so like could he do it? And fellowship was and
there was a lot of talk at the time, I mean,
well enough to remember the talk around Titanic. This was
a movie that is going to kill two studios. It
was the same thing. It's like, this is Peter Jackson,
this is the house that Freddie built, Yeah, meaning New
Line Cinema.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Oh I love you you you just said that to
somebody that started a started and completed a Freddie's Nightmares
podcast and talked about all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Oh I love you for I love you for knowing that.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
But you know, it's there were so many question marks
and then it's December two thousand and one. I think
people were just ready. They were ready, and you know,
part of it, I think was the aftermath of nine
to eleven. I think part of it was just you know,
a move to like these massive event movies, like doing
things on.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
This new line you mentioned. This was a big gamble
for them because, like you know, for the most part,
the entire studio on what did what did Jackson? What
had Jackson done before this? Had he done Frighteners before this?

Speaker 4 (56:26):
He had to have right in ninety six?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, yeah, so ninety six Frighteners?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
So then he has done those movies and what Yeah,
I mean Heavenly Creatures and Frighteners And then I mean,
this is a big gamble, and god damn are they
happy they took it?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Yeah? I mean so happy. They tried to do it
again with the Hobbit but.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Which apparently was successful.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
We got three fucking movies out of a book that
they were three billion dollar movies. But I mean, may
get into it at some point, but I just I
remember watching those Hobbit movies. I'm thinking, like, his heart
is just not in it the same way.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I'm gonna tell you that I think I think Mike
has hinted that we are possibly who wants to is
going to touch on the Hobbit films if I decide
to do that. My girlfriend has already said, you're on
your own. That's the Lord of the Rings fans saying that.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
I mean, you're talking to someone that's that on his
that When the final Hobbit movie came out, me and
my buddy we spent the entire day at the movie
theater watching both the the first two Hobbits extended and

(57:35):
the final one in imax.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
How how did did you see that at that?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Is that? How you saw that? You were at You're
an abu garb?

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Now? How did your ass feel after that? Expert?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Because I sat through Hunger Games and Hunger Games Catching
Fire in a double feature, and I was just like, Man,
I'm sore, dude.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I can't imagine, dude.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
I've spent an entire literally my New Year's Day for
the last This will be like the eighth year that
I'm doing it. I just go to the movies and
spend the entire day there.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
No, I love that because I've I've seen I've done
Best Picture showcases where I've seen five movies in a
single day. Oh hell yeah, no, I I I So,
I'm gonna I'm gonna like bring this bringing this back
to Lord of the Rings for the experience that the
film is. I love the theater because it is the
absolute isolation point to where you can watch a movie

(58:39):
and really watch a movie. You can't get on your
phone unless you want to be an asshole.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
You know, if you get up and go to the bathroom.
You can't be like projectionists, please.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Pause, I have to peek pause. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
So I mean you you literally have to make the
sacrifices of both focusing on the film and like I'm
gonna I'm gonna be perfectly honest for a second. You
have to be able to let your brain know you're
watching a movie. M Yeah, and that is something that
I think a lot of people have lost. So the
fact that you and I know you as somebody that
I've done the show with for a year now and

(59:14):
your years plus now and also follow on letterbox, I
know that you enjoy your movies for what they do.
So the fact that you can go into solidation and
just sit for five hours in a theater and take
that in makes me really happy. Going back to Lord
of the Rings on that this is definitely a movie
that you're going to have a different experience in theaters

(59:35):
versus at home. And I know it's easy to say that,
but it's not because you know the movie. You know
the movies that you can literally be like I could
catch this on like you know, cable, or I could
rent this one night and like have still as much
fun with it as I could in theaters. This is
an experience that you really need to feel.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Like I.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
And like I have.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
This year, I got a new TV. It's Gooe Vision.
It's his best of a TV I can get for
the money that I paid for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Oh adam listening to mister money bags over here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I a poor little rich boy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Dude. It was it was like, it's it's the most
money I've ever spent on something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Try to get it. No, no, no, but but I
get it so real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
My buddy who has also been on the show multiple times,
Enrique Kuto, he gave me a TV a while back
that I that I bought off him over a collection
of payments and whatnot, and then that TV died within
a year of having it. So recently in this past year,
he gave me his newest TV because he got another
one and he was just like, don't pay me for
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Like I feel bad like that that TV should have
treated you. So the fact that I have a four
K forty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Two inch in my in my living room and you know,
can sit there with my Christmas tree on and watch
die Hard with just the Christmas tree, and I think
a scotch. No, I get it, like there is a
comfort for being at home, but there's also a difference
of going.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
To the Oh yeah, no, it's a completely different beast.
Like again, I've I've experienced a couple of movies that
I've watched at home and I've come and seen it.
Like a couple of years ago, I got to see
Lawrence in the Arabia on big screen for the first
time ever, and now I was like, I'm not missing

(01:01:25):
this for the fucking world.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Did you pee once during the filming or during the
during the watching of them?

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Yeah? I pee during the admission.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
What do you think? Yeah, there is there is an intermission.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
No no, no, that doesn't count. That doesn't count.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
That's well no, no I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, no, I get that you can.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Hold it any control, but yeah, no, I've I've had
this experience this year, like going to I saw Jaws
in the theater for the first time and I've seen
Jaws one hundred times. Same.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I saw the drive in this year and that was
the best.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
It is. Yeah, it's a completely different experience, like when
when uh, she's attacked, like the first scene she's attacked
and you get the surround sound like it hits complete
or no, she's gonna die, but it it's like the
sound in the theater of her being like killed by
the shark hits completely.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Never there are things you will never pick up unless
you're seeing it in the theatrical experience.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
So ironically enough, the same the same day, my girlfriend
and I watched Lord of the Rings. We also had
watched Jaws that evening, and I was sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
With her in bed or laying with her in bed,
and literally we.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Get to Chrissy with the like underground shot right before
the shark comes up, and she's just like you can
see everything. I was just like, Yeah, they did not
expect this to be in forourt, but what is the
shark looks fucking amazing in that movie, Like even though
that it is a one hundred percent fake shark. I

(01:02:55):
have a I have multiple books on the making of it,
the movie and the shark, and I'm just like I
still believe that that shark is fucking real in that movie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah, it's it's a tangent. There's a tangibility to it.
And that's what I think, even these Lord of the
Rings movies, there's tangibility to it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean like you can feel.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
And I don't think I've ever experienced a movie like
Fellowship and the Lord of the Rings movies since the
last time I experienced that was with Way of Water
with Avatar, because I've still haven't seen it. I have
never experienced a movie where I can where I know

(01:03:46):
it's CG, but I can feel the creatures. I can
feel the texture of the movie with just CG. And
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Well, I mean it's you know, for the first time,
I remember seeing Avatar Opening Night and the experience of
that movie. And I haven't seen Avatar since. I've only
seen it that one time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
So tangent obviously. But you Avatar came out, I mean
for me specifically, after came out on my eighteenth birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
O wow.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
It came out December nineteenth of that year, and that
was my nineteenth That was my eighteenth birthday and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
My twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
And nine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Shit, okay, Yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
My buddy and his fan, he brought me with his family.
It goes the Avatar in Imax. Sold out show and
I walked out going that was an experience. I don't

(01:05:13):
think I'm ever going to forget, and I still have not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
So I've never actually seen a theatrical film in Imax.
I've only seen like, you know, shorts and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
That Yeah that like you know the aga because because
of where you live, obviously, Well I am very very
fucking lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I know, I'm very Forty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Five minutes is what it would take for me to
get to to get to like a theatrical Imax screening.
It's not far, it's just I guess. Jaws was definitely
one that I contemplated on, but like, nothing has really
gotten me there. Like I don't know what would what
Imax movie is gonna break me? Like if they say
the Crow in Imax, which is never gonna happen, yeah,
I would do that. I'm actually surprised that I wasn't

(01:05:57):
more adamant on Jaws and Imax, but I just felt
like it at the drive in spoke more to me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Yeah, driving driving is definitely an experience.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, like I mean, that's kind of what I was
trying to say.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
I'm I'm lucky in the sense that New Jersey has
like one of them is one of the states with
the most IMAX screens in the country. I believe we
have like six or seven. But IMAX to me is
like I I I love the IMAX experience. Again, I'm

(01:06:37):
an a mc A lister. I don't have to pay
the extra fees for that a little rich boy. Again,
to be fair, it saves me so much fun. I
am the biggest mooch off of Enrique.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Cinema club points that like anytime, like he goes up
against this concession, but like, yeah, ill take a popcorn?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Do you cinemarkuh?

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I use his Oh, I feel you like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
What's interesting too, like going back to Lord of the Rings,
is that is something that like that the I even
asked my girlfriend Sidney. I asked her, I was like,
would you want to go see him? She's just like, well,
I've seen them, so I don't know if I really
want to go back to it. It's kind of like
that same thing. It's just like the fact that she
has those memories, maybe she doesn't want to touch them,
and she's completely happy watching at home. Me now, having

(01:07:28):
seen this first one, I've been like, maybe maybe I
would be down for at least one or two of
these theatrically, if not the if not all three. It's
just I was kind of really surprised. Like I again,
as I said at the beginning of the show, I
will not watch this again on my own accord, Like
I'm not gonna be laying on my couch, you know,
my feet up one night and be like, you know,
Lord of the Rings Fellowship.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
It's just not gonna happen. And there's no offense to
the movie on that. It's more so it's just like
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
There's some investment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
You don't just throw it on because yeah, I haven't
reached that point with it yet, and I'm hoping that
maybe these other films will kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Make me do that. But it's just like, overall, though
I had a great.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Time with this, and to speak to Sydney's experience like
about her like ambivouce about going back. I I'm old
enough to remember when the special editions of Star Wars
came out in ninety seven, I was in high.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I still have my return of the Return of the
Jedi Golden VHS tape literally right behind me right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Now, as do I. But I saw them in the
theaters when they were least my mom took us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
A new hope.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
At least I remember that I own I own the
good DVDs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
So do I Actually I have the laser disc transfer
to the dv the original.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
We've we've already dragged streaming services. We were in drag
streaming services this episode. I just want to add the
fuck Disney. Plus, how are you not just going to
go ahead and throw the original prints up at this point?
Like serious?

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Supposedly the rumor is that they're coming this They're coming.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Yeah, they're coming for the fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Took them long enough, just gonna say that for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
I mean the stop gap. The stopgap was Lucas.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
They fixed the fucking Simpsons entire series in less time
than it took to be like, well, we have these
files of the original cuts. Yeah, just put them on
the joke driver. Now, well, nobody wants those.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
I will, I will co sign the members legislation.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
But well that's that's the let's be honest. Star wars
and is in a very bad shape, and that's their
big red button.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Yeah that's the right, but big red buttons with that
Holy shit, I've never heard that term for that series,
and that is absolutely accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
But you know, I remember going to and it was like,
I never I've never seen a Star Wars movie in
the big screen. I was so excited and but leave again.
Maybe it's because it's like if the special edition is
I was never like someone who was, you know, really
angry about the changes and they're just like, oh, that's
kind of interesting, I guess, but they're just it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Was most of the Gredo thing. That's the only thing
I know that's like the most nippiggy thing. But like
having seen it recently of Han shooting first, like it
really does have impact.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
I mean as someone who's like come along in their
their their cinophilia, I will concede the point, but the
it just there was something about through all that time
going to the movie theater and seeing this thing I'd
seen a hundred times. Having said that, you know, had
a great time in Johns. And maybe it's because I'm
older now and have a greater appreciation for these I

(01:10:30):
saw seven in the movie theater yeap earlier this year,
and the end. I was on the edge of my seat.
I knew exactly beat or beat how that ending turns out,
but I was I was locked in when the delivery
drivers shows up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
So yeah, I think what I be with seven? I
saw the Imax release, but uh, the sound a little bit, boy, this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Is gonna be a isn't it pretty much?

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Thank you, Adam, You're welcome. But uh, the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
That this sound says, the sound of it all is what.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Oh yeah, well that's one.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Was anyone lucky enough to catch Jaws three D?

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
No, okay, dudes, if it ever comes back again, I
don't care if you have to cut off a finger
ghost it because you may think, like, oh, it's gonna
be cheesy and what not. No, that was an experience
that I have never been able to recreate again because
there is just so much detail in that film, from
the three D print, from the glasses and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
But also you are there, You're fucking there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be on the lookout
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, keep an eye off for that that like like,
and I'm not saying like, oh my god, the shark
jumps in your lap? No, Like, I was never able
to like read the etchings on the Orca and with
that three D print, like you can read every single
fucking spec.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Of that boat.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, no, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
I'm I can be persuaded to for uh Jaws three
D evaluation reevaluation.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I just listening to the rewatchables of Jaws two and
I was like, you know what, maybe that wasn't so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I like to, I have no problem with you, but
going back to to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Yes, back to a Lord of the Rings, I think
we have exhausted what we can of talking about fellowship here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, one more note, one more note. Stuart Townsend
was originally cast as Eric Arn.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Oh shit, that makes sense. So okay, actually, like you,
since you mentioned that real quick. The one thing that
I really want to mention from Elijah Wood on this viewing, mmm,
Frodo kind of sucks for the first hour, Like and no,
I'm not saying that to be mean. It's more so
it's just like you're literally putting yourself in danger. You
don't fucking realize it, Like you You're just like, let's

(01:13:07):
go on at an adventure and then when he.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Gets innocence, the innocence of that character is very clear.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And I like, that's what I'm saying, Like I don't
mean like when I say sucks, like I don't mean
it negatively. It's more so it's just like you don't
understand what Gandolf is asking you, fucking piece of shit hobbit,
like listen to him, like this is a ring that
will get you killed, Like you're just like, you know,
trying to gallivant with your friends in the forest. And
then once that like initial staff happens and we meet

(01:13:38):
the elf and everything like that was something that it
was just like whoa okay, Like, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
That's Tolkien's World War One experience coming out, Like there
was an entire generation of young men who went into
that war thicket. It was gonna be a great adventure
and it was gonna be a life affirming They're gonna
get some medals and then be heroes of the empire.
And they spent five years in mud and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Torment, and and it's I've watched I've watched that terrible
Token Tolkien biopic movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I've heard how awful it is, and I am not
at all surprised because it's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Just like it's a beauty. It's a beautiful score.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
But yeah, that's what if you're gonna be Like one
day I saw tanks and I was just like, what
if they were dragons?

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I was just yeah, it's a little long. Wow. By
the way, has anyone this came out today as we're recording.
Has anyone seen the trailer for Jimmy starring hot Archie
from Riverdale as Jimmy Stewart.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
I saw. I saw a five second clip.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
I watching watching kJ Appa Jimmy Stewart in the bar
scene from It's a Wonderful Life. Ah, I can't wait
to Mystery Science three thousand that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
And with that, I think we have exhausted all we
can of this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Now now, now, before we get out of your ken,
I just want to I just want to illustrate to
the viewers how much of a fucking hassle that it
was to put this episode together only on my behalf
of my computer being a complete and total twat for
about the first hour that we were supposed to start recording.
So the fact that we have now spent over an

(01:15:23):
hour talking about Fellowship, when I thought that I was
going to have to like right, I'm sorry in the
chat until Christmas?

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Is this point. Yeah, No, I think we're good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Oh no, yeah, this worked out really well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I think I think so too.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Yeah, good luck to Mike editing this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I'm sure he'll I'm sure he'll keep the important bits.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Yeah, exactly, and obviously join us in the By the
time you you listen to this, we'll probably have two
towers come out sometime in the new year, while where
while Twig is on their break throughout the month of

(01:16:07):
most of January.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
But overall, yeah, you can follow me Kenriel's pretty much
everywhere letterboxed. I will be obviously doing a lot of stuff.
I'm in the process of finalizing my best of the
Year list. It's not one hundred percent complete because I

(01:16:31):
don't fully commit to completing it the list until the
very last day of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
You're one of those Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yes, though most though, most of the uh, most of
like my top five is set in stone at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
And I'm just in the process of like adding notes
and writing the little blurbs that I do every year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna incorporate here why I
laughed so hard at Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
You're one of those is I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Have recently watched die Hard and die Hard too, and
I don't know what it is about Hans coming forward
with his American accent, but oh god, you're one of them.
Like that's my brain immediately went to, so that that
is a Christmas edition into your wrap up, go ahead, Ken.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's still on
the docket for me to watch before the end of
the year. I'm saving I'm saving all of Del Toro's
Frankenstein to the end of to the very last day
of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
That and Wake Up Dead. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
I really am wanting to get off my watch list,
but man, I'm also just there's the thing with like
being Cinophiles and it being close.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
To Christmas time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
We're also watching our favorite christ moves at this point,
and with a week of Christmas left to go, it's
just like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Off, fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Yeah, I still need to knock out my traditional rewatch
of the Night before.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Muppet for Christmas Carol. I'm dying to revisit Muppet Christmas
Carol and Scrooge. Those are the two that I'm really
holding high right now. I'm one of the most.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Yeah, wonderful Life and the Alistair sim Christmas Carol, those
are my annual revisits.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Is that the so real quick sorry it's start interrupt
is that the one that they really spend little time
on Christmas of Yet to Come?

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Is that the nineteenth is the shortest one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
It's fifties something, it's early fifties, it's black and white.
But the I'd like the Christmas Future one is probably
the shortest segment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
I've so I've been making it a goal for the
last like I would say, probably five years or so,
to watch a new version of Christmas Carol each year.
And I think, no, I'm thinking the nineteen thirty eight one,
or wait, no, nineteen eighty four. Yeah, no, that's the
one I watched, Like so fifty four one. Yeah, that
was a really fun movie that was really wholesome. Like
I was really because I I've grown up with the
Georgy Scott one, so the Alista Simms one was one

(01:19:13):
that I was just like, oh, this is nice. Like
even when they got to Yet to Come, it was
just like, oh, it's spooky, but it's not like as
spooky as some of the other shit I've seen them
and some of the other Christmas Carols. So no, that's
a really good one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
There's the it's odd. The spookiest stuff in that in
that version is not with the Ghost of Christmas yet
to come. That spookiest stuff is when our last leading
the lament of the the two homeless people after we
leave Scrooge, and then the part where uh, the Ghost
of Christmas Present reveals the children ignorance and want who's

(01:19:46):
under his cloak? Like that's those are the two creepiest
parts of that film. Nothing hulariously enough the future.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, interjecting in there real quick about the reveal the cloak.
If you have not seen the Georgy Scott One, that
exact scene happens. And one time in a TV cut
I was watching, they didn't show the children for some reason.
So literally, the Ghost of Christmas Present goes look beneath
my robe and he just exposes himself to Scrooge and
they cut.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Back the Scrowge. I was just like, bro, Bro, I
know what you were trying to do, but you just
did not do that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Dark cut of this somewhere. It's like, it is not
like some weird vhs like the Hobbit Hanging and or
the Munchkin Hanging and Wizard of Oz. You have to
watch the very specific VHS version.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Oh god, yeah, that that whole urban legend.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
But yeah, for this week, geek, we have been.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Adami Donaldson David Denyer are coming to you from Ohio
with one final word on Lord of the Rings. If
you are someone that has not delved into the shire
and gone on an adventure, now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Maybe at the time I forget your half wings Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Oh and you can also find me at a letterbox
to David s w m A for David's watching movies again.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Yep, And I'm at King Reels everywhere once again, and
it's time to We'll see uh next time with two towers.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
We're gonna take those fucking hobbits to Eisngard. That's what
you're That's what the clothes should have been. I don't
know it was right there. I'm kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Are either one of these any good?

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Sir? What are either one of these any good? I
don't watch movies. Quick change the child. You're wasting your
life making shit. Nobody cares.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
These movies are terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
You're still here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
It's over. Go home, Go

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