3 Guys Before The Game - WVU vs Wake Recap - WVU vs Little Rock Preview (Episode 681) - 3 Guys Before The Game

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Gather, Gather, one and all. It's time for three guys
before the game. I remember Paul Revere. I think that's
what he when he was riding that horse up there. Gather, gather,
three guys are coming. Three guys are coming. Maybe maybe
he didn't.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're watching ken Burn special on the my wife.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
My wife watched that. She said it was extremely good,
very good. I'm only into current things and I'll go
back curly move.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You don't care about the nation's founding, Okay, go.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Ahead, Probably should Three guys before the game, brought to.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Us by I went right to the juggler on that
didn't stunt it.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, based upon what the conversations we've had before we started.
The thermostat in this room is sixty five, but the
temperatures one oh six.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, you started it.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I know that's a weekend worth of just kind of
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
By the way, by not recording yesterday, you missed three guys.
You missed biscuits. I was going to go to Tutors
and bring everybody biscuits.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Boy, you made me nervous when you texted me yesterday morning.
You go like, we're going it. We're going at ten, right,
And I wrote back like immediately, no, no, no, no,
don't like, don't leave your house, stay right there. Look
at the way he's looking at you because there's stun
he was thinking Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Right, Yeah, that ended a while ago.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
See, here's what happened. Here's what happened. He was gone,
he was in Antarctica or the Sahara or somewhere. Forgot
football ended.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, he did, and then he had scarlet fever, and
so he had no idea what day it was.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Monkey pox. I spent some time with the director of
athletics at WV over the weekend and he he says,
there's without zero doubt whatsoever in his mind, your patients
zero and getting him sick.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I know, I know he thinks that the only
one he.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Took you down took you down too.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well. I think when you have a I'll say in
all candor, when you're in a foreign country and a
monkey and a diaper sitting on your head, you're asking
for trouble.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Discussion can end there. That's right, a statement on the issue.
Now we move on.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So how many times have you thought about that was
a bad idea that I had a monkey on my head?
Since you had the monkey on your head.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Every time I go visit doctor Pillow Green on my
personal doctor, do you know what it's like to tell
your doctor that, well.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, doc, I also had a monkey. Excuse me, I
had a monkey on my head with a diaper on.
Imagine that's first time Doctor Ron has ever heard.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
That one A lot Doctor Ron has.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
He's one of the great West Virginia's he's up there
from the Northern Panhana.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
He's awesome, tremendous.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, Doctor Ron, good dude. All right, on our program,
We've got stuff to get into. West Virginia's basketball team
dropped one to Wake Forest. We'll get into all of
that and what it means. We record Monday. That means
tomorrow West Virginia will entertain Little Rock. Did you start
prep yet on Little Rock?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Did not know who their head coach was until this morning?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
How about that? The guy's been around, Saryl Walker.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, one of the world's championships with the Chicago Bulls
and his final seat in the NBA has coached.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
This is the only place he hasn't coached.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
He's been around, loves the game, certainly been around. But
put that put that into context. This means well, two
of the last three teams that the Mountaineer men's basketball
team has played a coach has been an NBA player.
Now you wouldn't know that with Larry Stewart because he
wasn't a round long. Didn't get a look at him,
not really get that good.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's just like good idea him.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But a personal checklist for me too. This will be
the second coach of an opponent the Mountaineers have played that.
I'll be able to tell I had a lot of
his basketball cards growing up. Yeah, I had a lot
of Reggie Theis cards Cookman last year. And then there
are a lot of Darryl Walker carts.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, so that's that's tomorrow night. We'll get into that.
Uh what a wild weekend. I'm just going to jump
right over to the high school football stuff. Oh my gosh,
you can't make those. Those are like Disney movie endings.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I don't I don't know how you can possibly see
another one like that. Three of the four games came
down to the final play. That's unbelievab great, great, high
level drama, tremendous, just talent and performers. And then now
even news coming out of that Maddox Twig, the talented
sophomore quarterback from from Morgantown High was just elite. Three
hundred and fifteen of the three hundred and sixteen totally

(05:16):
yards for the Mahogans. He had led him in tackles
on the defensive side. So what a what a historic
win from Morgantown High. Twig was was a star among
a bunch of stars for them and today was offered
a scholarship from Rich Rodriguez and company.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
A couple over here at the college he was. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
A couple of things about that is Dave Wilson does
to play by play at Morgantown locally, and he says,
you got everybody now saw what he saw all season,
and Brea had a chance for him to be on
statewide display and he did not disappoint. He had an
incredible game and good good pr move by West Virginia
along with the athletic move to go in the wave right,
so hey get the now.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
In all due respect, he did have a statewide stage
in the opening game of the year when Metro News
TV also televised his opening game and he went about
eighty yards in a zigzag fashion for a touchdown to watch,
he announced himself on the state wide stage in that moment. Yeah,
he's he's one of the good ones. There's a great
crop of sophomore quarterbacks in this state, and a bunch
of them were on display Saturday. There's a there's there's

(06:12):
a handful of them. Twig might be at the very
top of that class.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Taking nothing away from any of the teams. But Frankfurt.
We talked to coach there, Yeah, we talked to him
Saturday morning before they left the motel, saw him and uh,
he had one in his pocket there for that last
play that they scored on and had been working on
it for two weeks and they I went back and

(06:37):
watched it like eight times. You talk about perfect execution.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
So that was one of the games I had.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It was.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I talked to Kevin yesterday for a little bit after
the game and said to him, man, two, I mean
I said it on the air, and then I said
it to him just personally, just the the intestinal fortitude
to call that play right then. And he told me
they had run it about as poorly as you can
run it for the weekly in the said ran it
so bad. I told the coaches it's out, get it
out of the playbook. We're not running it. So they

(07:05):
had had it in for two weeks as a direct snap.
They moved it to the pass in the week leading
into that game, so that was a new wrinkle onto
a play that was already there, and so intestinal fortitude
to call it. And then the direct snap to Braden Tyler,
who was their talented running back on one of a few.
They have the fact that in that moment, two things happen.
In that moment, they had to sell the fake. Two

(07:27):
people had to sell that it was a run and
that you were just going to set up maybe a
long field goal attempt to try and win the game.
Tyler tucks it like if you go back and watch
the replay, tucks it as if he's running. And then
we had a great camera and our crew did a
great job on it from behind looking down the field
and the receiver Nester goes out like he's going to block.
And again in that moment, and you're fifteen seventeen years old,

(07:49):
and you've got to you've got to stay in character
and fake the block before you release to lead to
a wide open ball over the top touchdown to win
the World Champions.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Throw the ball, catch the ball. All those things just awesome.
Did you have any.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Surprise visitors in the booth did saw President Benson came
up to say hello during during that game in Factor
in the Frankfort. Well, he was listening and while we're here,
we might as well talk about before we get in
the games. He did confirm he didn't affirm as first
reported on this podcast last week.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
With policy, it's all or something enrollment issue or what
the committee, the U the new the new pronunciation of Marriott.
It's Mary.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
President Benson, whose grandfather was friends with j. W. Marriott,
confirmed that it's married.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So the President told you his grandfather, new personal friend
knew j W. Marriott, and he says it's Marriott. It's
not Marriott Marriott.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And to the President's credit, when he was saying it,
I was listening intently. He said, Mary Marriott, Marriott out
Marriott in speaking by President Vincent is great to see.
Great to see downtown representing it the championships.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Speaking of Marriott, we had a fun time Friday night
at the event at the Marriott in Charleston. The Golden
Blue Enterprises let us come in there and host a
night to talk football recruiting. We had Rich Rodriguez, we
had Zach Alley, we had Travis Trickett, we had Chuck Lilly,
the general manager, among others, and we broke down the class.

(09:23):
I think it's we're close to fifty names, now close
to fifty, and we did seventeen videos of the players
that they, you know, wanted to chat about. And Rich
could not have been in better form.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
He was on fire, he was funny, so a plus performance.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, he was good. He was good. And remember that
guy told you, like you could get a feel before
the class that they had five cards up their sleeve
and then they just started laying them down. Well, guess what,
I think they put about fifteen more cards up their
sleeve here for this transfer.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Really for the january is it January?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
February?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
When is it? It's February, early January. I think it opens.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I'm saying when they sign them, right when they
sign them, it'll be coming up here in the next.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
They also they all confirmed, you know a lot of
times you'll hear say, hey, they were really excited about
their club. They really like their guys, they really like
they really like their guys. There's any behind the scenes
you need on that they really like this class thing.
Tony's right, went through some videos. There's they feel like
they got some guys. Yeah, well some guys, and they
are gonna and they are gonna play right now, like
not not guys are gonna project down the road. There's

(10:29):
a few of those, of course. I mean there's some
guys right now. It looks like they do get in it.
It looks like they do. I mean, they're ranking has
been the lowest ranking I've seen a thirty. The highest
ranking I've seen is like twenty seven, twenty five. So yeah,
they should be happy.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Portal opens January two for a fifteen day window to
the sixteenth. But it sounds as though in the way
this thing is working now, they already have conversations going.
They know what they're gonna get, and from what I understand,
it's gonna make people once again around the country go
like whoa.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
By the way, I have I have a obvious observation
about that when we.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Get to it, all right, we might as well get
going here then.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, might about the game as well.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
About the Saturday game, Yeah, a lot to get into that, well,
you got a lot to get in.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
He's got thoughts that sound brand new.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
But the things we already knew, I'm ready, Heaven knows.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I take it quick before.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
No medals on that picture, thank you, yeah baby.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Let's start with the basketball game Saturday against Wake Forest.
Very disappointing because the one game in Charleston, guys, you
had the crowd there. Maybe for some of those people
one of the few times, Brad, they'll get to see
the team. And just it was not a good performance
for a couple of reasons. One is, Brad you and

(11:56):
I listen to you, guys, listen the whole game, and
Brad you said one of the keys was protecting the basketball, and.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I know he said it was the number one key.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And you'll have some stats on this, but they turned
the ball over way way too many times. And what
happened after you turned the ball.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Over get well, we will get to that and spreads
on stats, and it was it was you can stop.
You can stop your obvious observations, we can stop the recap,
we can stop spreads on stats.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
That was the game, and I'll let you give stats
on that. But I mean that thing stood out like
a sore thump. Terrible. Started out terrible shooting, I mean
over eleven from three point range, and then they got
a little bit hot to start the second half. But
one of the things, and again I'll defer to you
guys on this, there's there's inconsistent scoring here, right. I
mean they'll go through periods where like, oh, Huff is

(12:38):
hot or more as hot. But then Saturday, nobody else
stepped uphim. Eagle Staff didn't score and he didn't get
points from other guys. So I thought it was really
inconsistent offensively for West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
The other thing is Tony you said during the broadcast,
Juke Harris was as advertised, and then as the game
went on in the second half, he said he's better
than advertised.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, he had a game.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
He was good, he had a game. He's an NBA
you know, pick probably second round. But Duke Harris had
a game. He's the best player on the court. But
the halftime to be tied at thirty four, and then
to lose the way you did, I just thought it
was wildly disappointing. And at some point he got to
the free throw line. But still so at some point
in these games where it's really the ans makers say

(13:19):
it's basically a pick them, at some point you want
to start winning some of these games. So I thought
it was once again an opportunity that slipped away. But
I'll let you guys talk more about that. The ballgame
coming up this week with Little Rock. We talked about
that and I got nothing for you except they've lost
the last X number of games. Obviously they're struggling. Brad,
I'll have more on that. Darryl Walker interesting story. Ten

(13:41):
years in the NBA. He's coached a lot of different places,
and now he's coming to Morgantown. I searched desperately for
a West Virginia angle on Little Rock and could not
find one. So let me go to recruiting. Tony. You
said something the other day when we talk about recruiting
that interested me because we're talking about getting recruits from

(14:03):
all over and you said, hey, the currency is good
in any state.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, it works, yeah, Spence.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, And so I thought, well, let's them look here.
So I went through all these recruits. West Virginia's recruits
come from twenty seven different states and one other continent, Australia.
If you look at the miles between Morgantown and the
states where they came from, not the hometown, but the states,

(14:29):
right twenty five thousand miles. It's one way to look
at the recruiting which is now national. Twenty five thousand.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Miles sounds like a Mountaineer football Big twelve road trip.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It does?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean a player. They got a player from Oregon. Player.
You got a player from Alaska.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Player of the year out of Oregon.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
By the way, they got a player from three players
from Louisiana, two players from Oklahoma, the California player from California,
player from Minnesota. And I thought, wow, twenty seven in states.
I went back to Rich Rodriguez's two thousand and one roster,
looked at the entire roster, and it represented eighteen states.

(15:11):
So the recruiting class Brad for this year, this is
before the transfers. The recruiting class for this year is
twenty represents players from twenty seven states. The entire roster
for Rich's first year represented eighteen states plus nine. What's
that plus nine plus nine? Right?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Twenty seven eighteen plus nine, you're up nine We add
in nine states.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh yeah, so you added nine of eight. So you're
up fifty percent a number of states represented in the recruiting.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You see how many total twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Twenty seven, twenty five thousand miles from Gorgantown to those
Morgantown to those locations.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
What Jan Dills has clients in twenty three more of
those states because she has clients in all fifty states.
That recruit came in from Alaska. They do business there.
Adrian Morel a few years back, A few years back, Hawaii, right,
Jendill's attorneys at law. They won't take no for an answer.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You And in two thousand and one, most of your
players the plurality was from West Virginia, followed by you
can figure it out, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia.
Now you got players from all over.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, I understand your point, and you're correct that this
is leaving regionality. And the reason that it's leaving regionality
is because it's a different composition than it used to be.
It used to be an amateur sport. Now it's a
professional sport. It's no different than any professional team building

(16:44):
its roster together. Like the Chicago Bulls. Don't say, hey,
we need to get players from the Midwest. They'll take
players from anywhere. Same things happening here in all seriousness,
no joking aside, like money spends like three hundred thousand dollars,
four hundred thousand dollars, five hundred thousands. It's the same
in Oregon as it is in Pennsylvania. So like you're
going to start to see that they're going to find

(17:05):
identify talent, they're going to make their pitch and so
you're going to get more and more kids that aren't
going to be from around here. They'd love to have
them from around here. It makes it easier, but not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I just thought that was a I thought that was
a quantifying of how recruiting with with Rev Chaer and
Innil has changed.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I'll tell you what. They got two dudes from Pennsylvania
go far. A couple of dudes. Kevin Brown and see
you know what jumped out to me one of the
things Friday night and talking to them, and and Rich said,
I'll go back to he sat in this chair this
summer and said he was going to play he was
comfortable winning with five quarterbacks, right, And we all went,
what are you talking about? And even after the air,
I said, well, you're full of it. You're not going

(17:47):
to play five quarterbacks. And he never wavered, did he?
And guess what they did? Now some of it was necessity,
but I think they were playing five quarterbacks, whether those
guys got hurt or not. So he was up front
and he has not wavered. The next thing he hasn't
wavered from, and it goes back into the fall is
these two way players, right, and you saw it dribbled
out there with Curtis Jones this year, and again some
of that's probably necessity based, but he continues to talk.

(18:09):
See that wasn't just a recruiting line to get him here.
Kid that's talented, really good on both sides of the ball.
He said, yeah, he's gonna start a safety for us.
I mean you can put him out start on that
side of the ball and get him, get him acclimated.
There he goes, but yeah, we're gonna put him in
a slot and there's gonna be a quarterback package for him, right,
he's gonna he's planning on using the guy and said,
what did I give him there?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
At that thing?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I said over under dual players, dual threat players next
year for you, I think I said four and a half.
I put the number one I thought was high, and
he like he looked at me like I was crazy.
He goes way over He said seven and a half
and I'd go over so's I just find that interesting
that that is again if you if you parse through
all the things that he says, that is he is
not wavering from that. He started in the fall saying

(18:51):
we're gonna get more guys, and with roster spots the
way they are, we're looking for guys that can go
on both sides of the ball. And he continued that Friday.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Tony, you know the reality of it is Walkons are gone. Yeah,
walcons are no longer available. One hundred people, one hundred
and five people on the roster.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, because he expanded scholarship.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Under there's also two guys, and he mentioned this a
little bit. I do think the Travis Hunter thing did
maybe open some eyes that it's possible, and you do
have to worry about the injury side of things, like
not everybody can do this. It is a, as we know,
such a physical game, and you saw the injuries with
West Virginia. But as he points out, so many of
these guys are playing both ways anyway, and there are
they are talented on either side of the ball. We

(19:32):
saw Utah do it this year with what three different
guys that they had playing a receiver and defensive back.
So this isn't like like we just saw in the
high school championships where the bulk of both teams are
playing both ways. But if you can mix two or
three guys in that play significant snaps and they can
help you, and a tight end can help you as
a fill in pass rusher or seed can help you
as a it becomes a starting safety, but can also

(19:55):
come in and run the ball a couple of times
out of the slot, or catch a couple or runner
throat at a quarter. I like that pretty It's just
an interesting new development. I think in college football that's
that's headed in that get.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
The best players on the field. Yes, get the best
players on the field.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Does that conclude your observations?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I was going to vince them about Notre Dame,
but I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was going to bring that up next. I thought
it was a beautiful day. I thought it was a
beautiful day. And this is not taking a shot at
Notre Dame that they didn't get in just because there
was so much unhappiness and craziness. No, I'm being serious.
I think we need to have this happen so that
it just continues to get people so upset by it

(20:39):
that you come back and recreate a new system.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Well do they need to recreate?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So I think my point is this, these things happening,
acc getting left out, these things help lead to change
to try to get this thing more of some form.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh they didn't because of Miami Fair.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
So I understand.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Who wasn't even one of the two team teams that
played for the conference title and they get in. Also,
you know what needs to be left out? Guys? And
I mean I get it. We're in the entertainment business too,
I completely understand it. But man, ESPN has absolutely just
what a debacle they've created on this TV show. What
are they doing? And they're putting they're putting college football

(21:18):
leaders in a bad spot be in the chair of
that committee and having to go out and come up
with the word salad and the gymnastics that you have
to do to try and explain what you're doing for
nothing that appears more than entertainment value, Like what were
we doing then with Notre Dame up there the whole time, Hey,
we're going to rope it up with you with Notre Dame.
And people are screaming about how can it not be

(21:39):
Miami And they're screaming, it's not Miami, and they're screaming,
it's not Miami, and then it's Miami at the last minute. No,
by the way, where did BYU go? Where did b
Why you go from a big twelve percent they were
in on the final show. You're not supposed to be
affected by a conference championship game. And oh, by the way,
if you're playing in the SEC, you're not affected by
the conference championship game. Alabama gets absolutely smoked, greased, embarrassed,

(22:00):
still get in. But BYU gets beat only losses to
Texas Tech, a team that gets a bye. And they
were twelve. They were twelve? Why did they fall out?
Where did they go? How did BYU not get in?
And I listen, I don't need the text coming because
I've read all the stuff, and I've listened to all
this stuff too. I get what they're saying. But the
whole thing has become what are we doing? What are

(22:22):
we doing?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I don't even follow it. I don't turn the thing on.
It's a clown show. Clown show. So it is pro wrestling? Man, yes,
perfect say.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's pro wrestling. Say that the show's leading into it.
I mean, what are we spending hours upon hours and
again it's like us just doing talk radio all night. Okay,
you gotta have stuff to talk about. I get that.
I understand that. I don't know that you have to
have that show when you do, but it it drives
what we're doing right now, the discussion. But man, I
would be hot if I were a bunch of schools
that were hung up in this just bizarre mess. What

(22:54):
are the rules? When does it matter? Why does it
say in the byelaws that important players and coaches is
can affect if a team gets in or out or
where they're seated. But then Lane Kiffin leaves the head
coach and the primary offensive mind of that team and
it's not affected. It didn't affect them. If I'm Florida
State today, I lose my ever loving mind again that
you got left out because your quarterback got hurt. If

(23:17):
Patrick Mahomes gets dinged before the Super Bowl last year,
do you played the Super Bowl? Do you play the Playoff?
I mean, it's just is you want to be professional,
but then you continue to act like this and you're
not professional. It's a bizarre. It just bizarre.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
There's so many bizarre setup there and.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Oh, by the way, happy when the playoffs start, I'll
be right there watching everything.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, it's just we all get pulled along. But there's
so many things wrong with the current system, right, I mean,
there's so many things wrong with it. And the more
you expand the teams, the more it becomes it's still
going to be controversy. I mean there's a controversy in
basketball when you have sixty eight teams. Ah, the sixty
nine team didn't get in.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I mean, so you don't need to say that on
this show. What you don't need to point out there
was controversy in the basketball selection process.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I you know, I was thinking about I thought, I
actually thought the best of a lot yesterday and this morning.
And the biggest thing is I am a I guess
I'm old school. I am a huge fan of the Bulls,
gigantic fan of the Bulls, and it just seems like
year after year they get diminished. And I think that's

(24:19):
I think that's tragic for a couple of reasons. One
is the Bulls themselves are a big deal for the communities,
and the complaint before you had a national championship playoff,
the complaint was, well, you don't know who the national
champion is. How can you have a sport and not
determine the national championship. I understand that argument, but the
argument for the ball system was always that you can
have a pretty good year and go to a bowl

(24:41):
and be the champion of the bowl. And I don't recall, Brad,
we've been to a million bowls and we've covered a
million bowls. I don't recall any team winning a Bowl
game going well, it doesn't matter, we're not going to
put the trophy up in the trophy room. I mean,
those are important. I think they're important to teams. And
the fact that it was it is different to me

(25:02):
was a great appeal. And the fact that you had
this mythical national championship, I didn't care let them argue
about it. I like the fact that teams could be
have a good year and be champions of bowls. The
fact that it was different to me was the appeal.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Talk about the change and attitude toward bowls. We've got
a pair of Big twelve teams that are each going
to send a check of five hundred thousand dollars to
the Big Twelve headquarters because they said, hey, thanks, but
no thanks, we're not going to a bowl game. And
Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas State, Notre Dame flipped their
middle finger off as well. It said, don't care you

(25:39):
think the bowl systems changed one thousand percent. It's changed
because all of the focus has gone to the CFP
and everything else has become diminished.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well not in a.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Playoffs well, but also the second part of that. Two
of those three have new coaches, and we've seen, we've
done the games, We've seen how difficult that can be
for teams that are going in there with a new
coach or no coach and an interim coach. And those
people have lives to get on with two that have
that have been released from their staff. So you see
what those schools are saying. They're just like, what, No,
we got to get in with the portal and will

(26:09):
prepare for a game your your portal recruitings behind. So
it's the thing is is jacked up in a lot
of ways. Last thing on this does does AC does.
Notre Dame immediately ended scheduling alliance with the ACCU openly
lobbying for Miami. The acc was the ACC network playing
on almost a loop the Miami Notre Dame game head

(26:32):
to head. I mean, if I'm Notre Dame, I mean
you got you got a lot of people to be
mad at today for Notre Dame, I get it. I
think the commissioner Phillips might be getting a phone call.
They're like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Like I said, eat yourselves up.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, well, they're not in the league. They're not a
football member of the league.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
But they are in every other sport. Every other school
in a schedule five ACC teams a year. They also
needs the five scheduled ACC football games there. Notre Dame
does not. That's a favor to that ACC league to help.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
M Notre Dame schedule.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
That's a tough move by what the a SEC just did.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Pr wise, they lost to Miami, they lost to Texas
A and M then they did reel off ten wins.
They did beat USC. That was a light schedule after
those first two games. That was a light schedule, and
then Notre Dame goes.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
But we're just not going to go commotion craziness love it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, that was something heavy news.

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You play music. I got I gotta tell Hoppy two things. Yes,
that Tutors thing showed up at the ballpark Saturday morning.
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Bottom was it Metro News that bought it for the TV?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
It was Larry Post was showed up.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Really the shut up?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Dropped those off?

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Not all well done?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
A lot of Was Larry wearing his cuff links when
he dropped those off? Not No, I didn't have the
cuff links. I texted Bred at like eight o'clock Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
He was already at the stadium.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Why wouldn't he be hell game day prep?

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Drove separately, made the stop at the Elkview Gomart. Of
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Speaker 3 (32:54):
A quick Wake wrap up. First, let's dive into these numbers.
We mentioned it on the show last week. Wake ninety
eighth percentile in creating live ball turnovers.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
So we said it there, and Hopy right, we said
it on the broadcast.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It was the number one key You've got to limit
the turnovers, and you just couldn't do it. West Virginia
struggled in that area right from the start. Hoppy, you
mentioned the seventeen total led to a points off points
off turnover advantage for Wake that was just too much
to overcome twenty five to fourteen, So minus eleven, one
third of Wake's points came via those points off turnovers.

(33:29):
It was that's an area that West Virginia normally wins.
You definitely can't lose it by eleven. But here's here's
the number that really jumped out to me in the
postgame look back at it. Thirteen of those seventeen were
the dreaded live ball turnover variety, and Ross said in
the pregame interview. If we're gonna have turnovers, throw that
sucker into the third row. Do not give up the
live balls. Well we did. Wake was elite not only

(33:52):
in getting them but converting them to points. How about this, guys,
nearly two points per possession off those thirteen live ball turnovers.
So think about that, very nearly a basket every time
you created a turnover. So sometimes you get turnovers and
escape and you know they're bad and you want to
limit turnovers, but okay, you can survive. This was almost

(34:12):
literally we're going to turn it over. And by the way,
you don't even need to go to the other end.
Just put two more points up on the scoreboard. So
that right there, I'll give you a couple more numbers.
That right there was the difference in the game, and
it was if you were if you were watching or
listening to us, it was the hard hedge where the
second defender jumps out at the ball carrier and now
there's a trap out front. Westfordinia really struggled with that.

(34:34):
There was also some blitzing in the posts. They would
come and double team and it was really aggressive. And
we had talked about their length and their athleticism and
it was something Westergan prepared for it. It wasn't like this
was a surprise and the ball handlers were out front
that were like, oh my god, what are they doing.
We haven't seen this. They worked on it was for you,
worked on it, talked about it, game planned for it.
You just couldn't execute it when the moment came. They

(34:55):
were better defensively in that situation than you weren't controlling
the pass.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
One hundred percent. And the lesson hopefully has been learned
because guess what, Iowa State will defend better. Houston will
defend better. A bunch of teams in the league will
defend better than Wake Forest. They will get up in you.
West Virginia has got to get a lot tougher with
the ball, got to get a lot tougher, and it's

(35:21):
an eye opening experience, I would think for a lot
of those guys.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
The second area we identified was the offensive rebounding part
of things, and it started with West Virginia defensively, who
going into the game was number one in the nation
with defensive reboundings. We said, you gotta limit Wake's second
chance opportunities. So coming into the game, Weake got twenty
percent of its points from second chances. West Virginia held
them below that average, just ten second chance points thirteen

(35:48):
percent of their total. But in a game when you
were trying to climb back into it and claw back
in the second half, especially, how important were a couple
of those offensive rebounds for Wake in the second half
really prevented you from grabbing it and getting a chance
to go and cut into that lead. So it wasn't
so much the total amount, but they did probably get
more than you wanted to. On the flip side of

(36:11):
that equation, we did identify and say, hey, you're gonna
have a chance against Wake, most likely to get some
offensive rebounds yourself. West Virginia hadn't been great in that area,
but this looked like a matchup where you could do it.
And man did they most offensive rebounds in a game
since twenty twenty two. Western absolutely pound of the goss.
There were a couple possessions when they got three and
four cracks at it. West Virginia grabbed nearly sixty percent

(36:33):
of their available offensive rebounds. Of their misshots, they went
and got sixty percent of those as offensive rebounds. That's
a percentage It was in the ninety ninth percentile by
far the best performance all year.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Inter oot question. Yes, that because though so many missed
threes and long rebounds.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Now, well there were some of those, but it's also
just a flaw with wake Forest. They want to get
out and go, so they sometimes when the shot goes up,
a couple of their guys start leaking out. West Virginia
knew this would be a point of advance and made
a concerted effort to attack that glass and go get it.
And yes, there were some misshots, so that allows the
raw number to be up, But that's why you use

(37:09):
those percentages, right, So it doesn't matter what the raw
number was so much when you're comparing the percentages, it
ends up still being the best game. But here's the
one part of that. In a game where you needed
to find a big advantage somewhere because you weren't making threes,
you weren't winning points off turnovers, that was your point
of differentiation. That's where you had to expose and destroy them,

(37:30):
and you just couldn't. You got fifteen points off the
nineteen offensive rebounds or twenty offensive rebounds, whatever that number finished.
So that's one where you would have liked can you
get a point and a half per possession? Could you
had a really elite game and finish some of those
putbacks and got two points off of it. You didn't,
So you didn't get a big enough advantage to overcome

(37:50):
some of the other flaws. So that was that was disappointing,
but a great job on the offensive glass overall. West
Virginia Hoppy, as you mentioned, struggled to shoot it from
distance twenty two percent from three season low. And here's
the part that stings the most. You had a bunch
of open looks that you just couldn't get to drop.
I'm gonna get those numbers here in just a second
for you. And that was the thing about the Wake

(38:11):
defense that you'll go back and probably kept Ross awake
at night. If you could have just made the first
pass out of the trap, Hoppy, then you have a
numbers advantage. Then you can attack the rim, you can
get to the paint and kick and get even more
open shots that that offense. What the defense was there
for the taking from Wake, that's a feast or famine
defense that if you avoid that trap out at mid court,

(38:33):
now you're cooking. And you just couldn't do it enough.
West Virginia had seven unguarded catch and shoot jumpers zero
zero points off those shots. Wow, you're even with all
your turnovers when you broke the crust there, you have
those open looks and you just couldn't get them to

(38:54):
fall on the flip side. Juke Harris, who we talked about,
he himself got twelve points on on guarded catching threes,
a season high. We mentioned during the broadcast he was
fifty percent from three when he was on guarded. He
was even better than that. He was outstanding. He got
those twelve points on just four shots. Do the math

(39:15):
hop every time and he was he left him open.
You didn't leave him open a lot. I mean West,
he did a good job of closing out only four
that were charted as on guarded. But man, he hit
He hit a three on you every time he was
left on guard.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
And when he was out in the first half of
those two fouls West Virginia there was even game thirty
four to thirty four when he was there the whole
second half. Tony, he was a difference maker.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
What do we often say what separates NBA players? Kay?
What do they do?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Make up shots?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
The shot?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And they knock it down.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
That's why that guy's going to go play.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
So here's where credit to wake. So a couple of
things are happening that you're gonna watch moving forward. Honor
had his first game all season with zero on guarded
catch and shoot jump shots, so they were sticking to him.
Right charted as zero on guard to catch and shoots.
Now there's that comes at a cost, and that cost
was what a chance more?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Do?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Chance more? Just attack the rack? Right just went to
the rim constantly. All twelve of his points came from
field goals that were charted at the rim, and then
he added four free throws to get to sixteen points.
So if you're gonna if you're gonna chase Honor as
much as they did, there's there's opportunities and availability for others.
Chance has been a fairly consistent second scorer when he's
been in and he's been he's returned. Now it's a

(40:28):
matter of who's the third who's the third scorer coming
for this group? And again, it can be a different guy,
and we've seen that from this West Virginia team and
it probably will be. It will likely be different people
each night, but you need to have somebody else step up,
because the aggressiveness on Honor is just going to continue
to ratchet up, and especially as you get to better teams.
As you saw with Wake, they had the length in
the athleticism to be able to chase him.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's a real good analysis there. Yeah, well not.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Real bright, but and Tony as you were talking about,
I mean, it was allowed and when they had something
to cheer about, the crowd was into it. And in
some of those long threes later in a game, when
West Virginia was trying to get back into it and
Huffed was shooting the three, they were just waiting. You
could tell they were waiting to make a difference.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
That first half. When West Virginia made its run and
Honor switched his shoes into the gold shits right and
got hot, changed the whole vibe in there and got hot.
That was a loud building. A lot of credit to
the fans down in that area because that was a superb,
superb crowd forgot about the shoe change.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Reference to the shoe change, that was a good pickup
on your part. It was.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
It was a great pick a half. Don't see that
very often hot change shoes came out and started nailing
threes right away.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Don't don't mess around first shoes weren't work and go
to back.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
He does he send them send a student manager in
the locker room to get him, or do you think
he puts them under the bench.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Well, that's a good question, and I didn't see it.
I didn't see the change take place, just noticed it
when he came.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Back out after that time out.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I'll find out and report back.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Okay, we'll talk more about the mountaineers coming up in
textual healing.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I was giddy that he changed, Hoppy. I like that.
You want to talk about Little Rock and you want
to same thing, or you want me to just dive into
some numbers.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'll talk. Go ahead, Brad, what's up with Little Rock?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Stupid podcast struggled so far this season? As Hoppy alluded
to two and seven, they've lost their last five. Here's
here's the one stat to jump out and keep an
eye on. They turn it over a lot three hundred
and sixty third nationally out of three sixty seven. A
couple of teams worse good, and then man, they've had
some unbelievable bad injury luck. KK Robinson is a guy

(42:30):
that was a really talented player. Came out as the
seventh best combo guard in twenty twenty when he entered college,
and he's been at Arkansas Little Rock now a couple
of years. Are Little Rock as it's now known. Got
injured preseason last year, wasn't able to play, came back
and was ready to go this year. Injured again in preseason.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah three, Robinson's on the rust.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Well, one of the other ones is unavailable in this
game as well. His brother, who's a freshman, won two
state titles. Are in Arkansas. He was injured as well,
so he's out unfortunately. So they've they're really going through it.
You're gonna keep an eye on Jonathan Lawson. Very good.
He was All Conference last year. He'd been at Memphis
and Creighton previously. He's averaging fourteen per game. Keep an
eye on Toon gatkick Toon gatkick OVC Defensive Player of

(43:14):
the Year last year. Big in the middle, can block
some shots and rebound, so you got to keep an
eye on him. Also a special shout out to Braxton
Bayless of course, played at Ancony High school there in Iowa,
suburbs of Des Moines.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, yeah, I've driven by that exit.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, so he's guard for them fifty percent from three
to ten of twenty on the season.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
A couple weird thing. I mean, the whole conference. We
talk about conference affiliation, and we talked about the big
you know, the Big Four. It trickles down and they
just joined they just left the Sun Belt and joined
the what's it called the United Conference, United American Conference,
United something conference, which is the old whack okay, think

(43:55):
about that for some which is the old Western Athletic
Conference is now the United Conference. And in there so
they got games with Abilene, Christian Texas, Charlton State, Texas,
Southern Utah, West Georgia, Austin, p Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas,
Utah Tech. So they get blown up Tony as well.

(44:18):
By the their regionality gets blown up as well. But
this is as as the conference realignment trickles down, it's.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Never ending, just absolutely never ending.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
United Athletic Football, United Athletic Conference. It's called United Athletic Conference.
Do you know that?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Is that just their football league though? Is it?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I think they're Ohio Valley for basketball?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Oh man, did I just screw that up?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, don't worry, we'll don't worry. We'll replace him and
we don't addit the show.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Don't worry about I'm staying corrected.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
So just football only big one, big one coming. So
get through little Rock here, get back on track, gets
and things going, and then we'll we'll preview this on
our Thursday episode. But then you're headed to Cleveland next
week for an Ohio State team that that's again having
a good year. Pitt got them, that's having a weird year,
aren't they? You think, get absolutely destroyed by West Virginia

(45:13):
largest margin to defeat in a backyard brawl in the
coliseum earlier this year, and then go out beat Ohio State,
But then turn around they've just they lost to They
lost to Quinnipiac or Hofstra, Quinnipiac and Hofster just Offstra.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
No, they got beat by Hofstra.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yese was weird beat them yesterday?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah? Quinnipiac. Yeah, I thought Quinnepiac got aiak and then
Hostral was this weekend? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Hofstar? I watched yesterday. Speedy Claxton.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Hello, no they Hey, just I double checked this. The
basketball teams are also moving to the United Athletic Conference.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Are they playing yet?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Starting in twenty July one, twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, so that's the next year, OVC.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
So you're half right, half wrong. I just go with it. Okay,
not that this is a live show or anything like that,
but we talked about this earlier. I might as well
go like this. This just came out from ESPN an
hour ago. Notre Dame's athletics director Pete Bavaqua unloaded on
the ACC today in the wake of the snubs, saying
that the conference that houses almost every fighting Irish sports

(46:13):
team has caused permanent damage.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Permanent damage to the relationship, permanent damage.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Lined Up told the Patent told the Dan Patrick Show
He's got great respect for Miami, Alabama and all the
teams and their cases for inclusion. However, upset how the
ACC pushed for Miami over Notre Dame leading up to
the selections, he said this, we were mystified by the
actions of the conference to attack their biggest really partner

(46:40):
in football and a member of their conference in twenty
four of our other sports. They have certainly done permanent
damage to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Which, as first.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Which I say awesome because again I want the absolute.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Reference the ACC. Did he reference that at all?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Uh didn't mention that.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
So this is the West Virginia fans can be giddy
just you love a good cat fight that doesn't involve you,
right right?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Wait, shouldn't the ACC push for an ACC football team?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, they should include Notre Dame as one of them.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Notre Dame won't join.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
They schedule five, Well, they get them out.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
They played twenty four freaking sports in the ACC and
they play five acre.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
They're They're as in as you can be in without
being in. I get it.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
How much money does the league make because they get
to play Notre Dame in football? Right? That was the
dumbest move of all time.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's what I said. They're gonna, there is no doubt
in my mind they're gonna. They're pouring over the contract
right now to see how they get out of those
five football games. They're they're busy saying screw you to
everybody that that's coming next.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I love it for ACC. Let this craziness take place. Everybody,
everybody fall to your face. Make it stupid, make it bad,
make everyone unhappy.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Good, There is more there is. It's interesting that in
college football they're is ten times more chaos in college
football than there is in all other sports.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Why well whass yeah, yeah, yeah, because there is no
there's no there's no one that sits over the top
of it. Everyone has their own constitution, their own rules.
That's why it's wild wild West. Three guys before the game,
coming up to textual healing.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Female, when's that first Bowl game? On?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Second to next week?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Good?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
We've got bowl games? I think no, yeah, next week.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Last week on the show, our last episode, you talked
about the Bowling Green tight end Harold fan and had
last night, hopey.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think you had eight catches one hundred and forty
one yards in a touchdown.

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Speaker 3 (50:25):
Hey, one note here before you get to textual healing.
Since this is a live podcast, want to make sure
any live breaking news we report on as it's happening.
Firtivals CBS Sports reporting and not not a surprise here necessarily,
but it's looks like it's gonna be out there. Jaheim
White entering the transfer portal per CBS Sports.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, well not a surprise. How about Matt Campbell he
entered it.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
He entered the portal as well, he did.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, got a heck of a deal. Yeah, there were
the conversations went on in the last couple of days
of last week over at Mountaineer Football for who there
is going to be a place for and who there wasn't,
And rich Rod Reeves talked about that on Friday, So
you know, I don't don't enjoy that. However, this is
the world that we're living in. Yeah, and it's based

(51:12):
upon what you will bring to.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
The table if you want to be That is the
other side of revenue sharing. They deserve to be paid.
We've all agreed on that. But if you want to
live in a world where you're going to be paid
based on performance, then you're going to be in a
world where if you don't perform or there's other issues,
you will not be paid. If you'll be paid less,

(51:34):
or you'll go somewhere else. That is the other side
of revenue sharing.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah. I mean West Virginia has upgraded. Jeem White would
not have been the starter next year and they've just
it's like anything else. Man, it's like who's the best.
You'll get paid the best. If you're not, you'll have separation.
It's okay, it's just the way the world works. They're
just getting a good taste of it. That's how it
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Speaker 3 (53:16):
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Speaker 1 (53:22):
He is now I love that one there, so he
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available if you missed on the first route through. Maybe
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Speaker 3 (53:39):
Excellent. Enjoy him when you get this. By the way,
can I show my favorite.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Christmas one of it?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
We got these on the last episode. Donuts A little
bag of donuts.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, perfect, that's going to hang out a tree now.
That was from the hell family.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Very nice, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
You got one too.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I got one too, preparing We put up our tree
last night, but waiting to hang the rest of the
decorations until the family comes in.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
So but that is a donuts will receive a hanging
when the family are in a prominent location. I'll text
you this. Yeah, this is not up an archree pirst.
That's powdered sugar cut Those might be my favorite. As
much as I like chocolate, I think the powdered sugar
donuts might be my favorite.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
That sugar is just like it to probably be illegal
to tastes so smooth and good. Yeah, Texter, this is
a crazy, of course, of course, only in westin texta
says only in West Virginia, even Frosty the Snowman has
a connection. The man behind the lyrics of Frosty the Snowman,
Peter Cottontail and Smoky the Bear is none other than

(54:39):
West Virginia and Jack Rollins. His song about a magical
snowman coming to life and bringing holiday cheer can be
heard almost everywhere this time of year. Jack grew up
in Kaiser, West Virginia. Never fails and with this weather
always a West Virginia connection. Busted me, busted me emotionally

(55:00):
when he melted. First time I saw Frosty go down,
it was hard, hurt me as a young kid.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Rollins wrote the lyrics to here comes Peter Cottontail, Frosty,
this new Man, and Smoky the Bear.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, I just said that.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh you said Smokey the Bear. I'm sorry, I wasn't
paying attention.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
That's a first Tony Brad and the Moroccan Snake Charmer.
Not really a doubv question, but in the light of
the coaching carousel, a lot of complaints about the calendar.
Hoping you could clarify who has or what entity has
the capacity to make the calendar changes on coaching interviews
and tampering. There's no way it's the paper Tiger NCAA right,

(55:42):
is it a conference or could the CFP implement something?
Because if it's up to individuals, schools or agents, it
will never happen. Just hear a lot of moaning, but
no real solution or who can implement a solution. Thanks, guys,
have a great holiday. Jason in Ohia. To your point,
you're right on top of it, Jason. There isn't a
body that can make a call. No one's listening. That's

(56:06):
why we are where we are.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Recruiting goes on all the time.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, text her, Oh this is it, this is the
one here. Thank you gentlemen for not scolding my wife
Jessica for interrupting your pregame prep on Wednesday. I was there.
I was not there to intervene. But she doesn't listen
to me anyway. I heard she pitched a spinoff podcast
two guys in a WVU librarian. We can workshop the name,

(56:30):
appreciate all you do. Let's go. So there's a lady hoppy. Yeah,
she just kind of jumped right in there. The broadcast,
whether or not we were on the air or not,
didn't seem to matter. She wanted a picture, and so
there you.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Go, got it in. Yeah, it's nice to meet her.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Great to see her asking for a picture. Yep, I
will say this. I mean most of the time, I
am amenable. That'd be the word hoppy.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
You're very amenable.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
No, No, most of the time I am. It's like
in those situations. Yeah, but like I will also say,
if it's the wrong time, m it won't be Well.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Let me let me say this for you that you
I've been around you a lot, tony and you are
very amenable to talking to people, being very gracious with
your time. You are outstanding.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Here comes the other part of that.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You are outstanding, however, and that includes you know, at
the broadcast location. But in fairness, and I'll say this
on your behalf, in fairness, when you are doing the game,
which is not easy to do. You're focused on when
you're doing the game, that's a good time to leave
you to do the game. And I want to and
wait till after the game to catch up with you.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's a wonderful way to say that. That's a very
nice way to say that.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
And look, that's not because you're a jerk. You're not
at all. You're very amenable. It's just let you do
your job.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Well. I'll Doug the security guard, I mean I don't
know what he's doing. What's he doing down the end?
I mean, is he doing anything? Red? Doug?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
When you why are you not balling me?

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I think Doug should be out there and running people
off or something.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Doug does a tremendous job. I never have an issue.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
People are very nice, well I know they are, but
I mean your role was a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I think you just called you clown.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Of all of us on the set that aren't doing
anything during games, maybe that person should keep to themselves
what different jobs entail. That would be my advice to you.
As long as we're giving advice to each other, there's
one of us up here that's not doing anything during
a game. That person probably shouldn't tell the other two
what goes on during a game and how hard or
not hard it is.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
But thank you for your input.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Hi guys, my name is Mike. I love your show
listening to yesterday's episode, fourth of December. You do a
great job. Don't start, you don't do anything. You read
a text mess Basically, he said you don't do anything.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You read a text message.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Doesn't come in and do a job every day?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Now telling me what I don't do on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Guys retired comes in with a scarf or works.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Once a week, not telling everybody what they're doing for
a job. Just did four events in twenty four hours
this weekend while you were sitting at home coughing, hacking
a monkey up. I had to go to work because
you got me with your monkey taper on my head.
I still had to go to work. You sat at
home eating bond bonds, wearing a damn scarf. You're gonna
tell me what I do on a daily basis?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Okay, bring it back in because this is a good one.
You guys read a text from a guy who met
Santa Claus the wv alum and Williamsburg, Virginia. I almost
wrecked my car when I heard this. Santa is my dad.
He's Gary Saunders, eighty five years old from Charleston. Originally
it was a pitcher for the late Great Steve Herrick
between sixty and sixty two. I live in Wilmington, Delaware,

(59:45):
bleed gold and Blue. My wife and I fortunate to
experience the Backyard Brawl this year. Amazing experience. Took me
back to celebrating the ninety three seventeen fourteen over Miami,
Robert Walker scoring the winning touchdown eruption to the crowd,
unforget easy to remember all of our heartbreaks, nothing like
the great victories. If you guys happen to make it

(01:00:05):
down to Williamsburg before Christmas, say hello to good old
Sanna and my mother Jeanie, who is missus Claus, plus
my sister Michelle who lives there. Let's go mountaineers. There
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
That's Santa. That guy saying he knows Santa?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Who's Sanna?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Is that like you're saying you know who the moth
man is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Well, that sounds like this is one of Senna's helpers. Uh.
Marriott pronunciation. I work with the folks all over the
state and appreciate all the different pronunciations of Kanaw and
Fayette County's terra alta. And what's that word hoppy? I
think it's just one go, one goes out how you
say it, and one goes hurricane. He says, hurricane is boring.
Now I've never heard of one go where is that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
What county is out the south might be Mingo. Let
me double check.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
For saying, guys, George from Mingo County in game text?
Is it just the coverage or is it dark in
the Charlotte Charleston Coliseum Now it's literally so dark it's
hard to watch. They got those new seats.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Are black, but he does make it a little darker
with the seat therese are nice seats though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, they really did a nice upgrade on the seats.
Maybe they might want to upgrade the internet inside the
Charleston Coliseum hadn't done a game there in fifteen years.
Guess what same internet? Fix it? Get a big OC
three in there. Pump some internet Texter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
It is one going into Pendleton County Pendleton three guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
The fellas on this hoops team look to me like
they are giving great effort, But for except for Huff,
I have never seen so much hesitation to shoot it.
When you got a wide open look created by the offense,
you have to let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Huff will shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And if you're not trusted to shoot a shot created
for you, then you probably shouldn't be out there. Hope
Ross can find a way to make these guys comfortable
on the court. Robin Atlanta ps working on it. I
still have faith in this team. I think we've got
a variety of styles in depth, but it needs to
start gelling and becoming more consistent soon than later, otherwise
we might get left out of attorney again this year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
It's one of the great challenges. You know, you're ten
games into a season for guys that haven't have not
only not played together, but haven't played in the system
that you're putting in place. It's just that's college basketball,
not It's gonna take some time for a lot of
teams to come together. West Virginia one of those right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Tommy Boy from Independence. I wanted to let y' all
know that I met someone who knows Homeless Day very well,
his daughter, Maddie. I met her at Morgantown Planet Fitness.
I know she's wearing the three Guys before the Game shirt.
I asked her if she was a fan of the show.
She says, my dad is Homeless Day. I said, no way.
I introduced myself as Tom Barbera, also known as Tommy Boy.

(01:02:39):
I asked her if her dad is busy with the
holiday season, and she said extremely thanks for all you
guys do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
The fact that she said her dad is homeless day
it makes me giggle. Tells you it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Now official on the all time worst nicknames. Accurate not accurate?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
What kind of is I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
No, it's not, it's not it's not even remotely acting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Multiple homes, right, it's not that he doesn't even have
a home. He's got multiple You can't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Your inability to understand what was happening has led to
a nickname that isn't even remotely close to what the guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
That's why it's Funny's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
He couldn't answer the questions, Hey, Tony, where do you live?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Where do you live?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Multiple places? Multiple locations?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I never even got to that. None.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
There's a second answer to that. It could be multiple.
You took it the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, you need to be a better listener.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Is he worrying about your next question? You couldn't didn't
listen to the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That's probably true.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Text are enough evidence now in from the basketball team,
what early on looked like a team that might be
able to gel and be okay, just doesn't have enough
offensive power, lockdown defensive players. Perhaps he's playing too many
guys and needs to decide who can cut it who can't.
A few that played a lot can't cut it. And
it's now obvious unless huh, you can figure out some things,
it's going to be a long year. Need more guys

(01:04:03):
to score more to drive it to the rim. So
what's what's the date? The summary? So it took us
until the no, no, wait, it took us to dissemberate
for someone to write one that were just just called
him by his last name.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You know, I I'll give you an unsolicited obvious observation.
I mean, watch this team and you see talented guys.
I mean not just one guy or two guys. You
see multiple talented guys and brand I think to your point,
it's just what is the rotation? When do they get
used to things? I have? I feel like it's going
to come together start at some point, right? Or is that?

(01:04:38):
Am I just being.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
There is talent? There is guys. Again, there is eight
coaches that understand what they're doing and are very good.
It takes it as Ross says it, Well, you're not
just robots. You don't just go out and plug it
in and get to produce the exact stats that you've
produced other times, it is a work in progress. That's
the only the only way you can keep describing. It's
a work in progress all the way around, trying to
figure out the system, trying to figure out each other.

(01:05:01):
And then, oh, by the way, the opponents as well. Right,
that's that matters too, Wake for it. Wake Forest did
a nice job. They did a nice job in that
one niche area that caused West Range and problems.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I got them a win.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Here's here's the deal. They're going to get better as
the season goes on. What's their ceiling? I don't know yet.
I don't know how good they can be. You know, Saturday,
it's Steve Forbes's sixty year at wake Forest. I would
hope he would have a team that's built in a program,
that's built to have like really good players. It's West
Virginia's first year. You can't hurry the time reality of it.

(01:05:36):
You got to go through it. Text our guys. We
couldn't make it down before the game, and you guys
were busy with postgames, so we had to settle for
a picture of you guys working. The kids. Want to
meet the famous three guys from the podcast we listened
to in the car, so we'll have to catch up
in an event special shout out to the boys from Princeton.
They brought home their first football World's Championship Saturday. Loved
the show, Kevin and Princeton, West Virginia. There's two little

(01:05:58):
guys there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
A great season.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Ah See.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
They were respectful if you're yeah, very respectful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Uh Texter, Now that we have ten games into the season,
with four games with bigger programs, what you're over under
for Big twelve conference wins three cities? Cl says, how
about five and a half? Over there you go, Texter.
WV basketball is like opening a box of chocolates Forrest Gump.
You just don't know what you're going to get. Texter

(01:06:29):
to notre dame in their fans. I say payback is
hell for being over ranked in the polls, pampered by
the media, receiving bold invites you don't deserve, getting the
benefit of controversial calls, and having it entitled and sometimes
arrogant fan bases. Brad would say, I don't feel sorry
for them. No one feels sorry for us when bad
things happen to us. Signed Doctor Jeff and Charleston ps

(01:06:50):
not going to a Bowl game and pouting his passive aggressiveness.
But there, there you have it. What day?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Since I was wrong about Sunday? So what day are
we going to be back this week?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Thursday?

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Thursday?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Oh wait, you got something Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
They got me doing that thing at one on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
All right, we'll discuss later.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I can't do Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
See this is exactly what happened to the Beatles. He
just kept breaking apart. Paul wasn't available, George wasn't available
all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Well, sometimes you guys aren't available.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Happy, don't even start to get in the game of
how many shows you've missed. I don't even play that game.
It'll be a bad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I'll tell you what. I shouldn't have played that card.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
It was the wrong card for me to play.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
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All right, we're out. Oh, by the way, I forgot
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We got the meat. Ah m, well we'll kill next show.
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