3 Guys Before The Game - TCU Game Preview (Episode 668)

It’s been nearly a month since the Mountaineer football team last played in Morgantown.

Coach Rich Rodriguez is hoping a return home will spark a much-needed turnaround when West Virginia hosts TCU on Homecoming Saturday.

The injury-plagued Mountaineers enter as 15-point underdogs against a Horned Frogs team led by senior quarterback Josh Hoover, who’s already tossed 21 touchdown passes in seven games.

In this episode, the “Guys” break down the matchup, dive deep into the numbers, and set the stage for what West Virginia must do to pull the upset.

Listener questions and comments close out the show on Textual Healing.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome in one and all. Yeah, it's that time. The music.
Listen to that music. It tells us one thing and
one thing only.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's a live, go live right now, start the show.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
He still thinks it's live. Take them to the side
one days and explain it that. So we're in episode
six six eight. Three guys before the game. This is
our TCU preview. We previewing basketball.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
At all this weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, well, all of that and more coming up, plus hoppies,
obvious observations. You have also have a basketball my boy,
my boy coming to the table with some victuals.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
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(02:02):
just just wonderful. We got Tanner and Morgan and Kevin
and is.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It Tanner and Morgan and Morgan in Tanner?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It doesn't matter. It's interchangeable. There's Morgan. What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, there was confusion. You didn't do it in proper
orgea you like skipped and then it threw us off.
Yet he's right, so weounded.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
So it's gonna be one of those episodes. Huh, it's
gonna be one of those. So when I was talking
to Kevin.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
We don't have to back down just because he bowed
up and tried to bully you. There, don't back down
from him.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So as I was talking to.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I didn't have a real big argument. It was not
my best stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And you can stop trying to help him. That's enough.
Too much help on Hoppy. Although every time we go somewhere,
all we hear is, you know, you guys are awfully
hard on Hoppy. You know what My response always is
not hard enough, not hard enough. He deserves every single
bit he gets. Anyway, Kevin's a CPA. That's all I want.
All I wanted to say was Kevin's a cp.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
That's the shock of the episode. Though, the nice gentleman
from the CPA profession came in with all your slander.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
CBA's love us.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I mean, heck, we spoke to their state organization.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
They love us, CBA's love the podcast. I'm not sure
they love you.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You might be right about that too, all right, good,
solid point. All right. So here we go, West Virginia
and the Horned Frogs of TCU. The odd six o'clock
start time on Saturday night. Don't be low, Chilli, it's
gonna be. It's gonna be the first game this year,
gonna be the first game this year where you have to,
you know, wear more than a t shirt. Probably have
to put some layers on, probably, So bring.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Out your black stuff. Race rush. That's what you did, say,
I went, I went, oh.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's why you got all that stuff on.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, I mean, bring your black bring some layers. No
precipitation in the forecast, so it's gonna be nice.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Lloween coming up. Maybe you'll get some get some of that.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, you'll have people dressed up. Yeah, I would think.
I would think. It seems like about a year since
West Virginia last played.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's been a crazy it like that's not an exaggeration,
feel like it's been multiple months.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
So am I right? We play one home game the
entire month of October, that's correct, and then and then
after this, he got two in November, the top and
the bottom, that's correct. Man. This thing goes by so fast,
does not fast enough for some Let's face it, it's been.
It's been. It's been a rough week at at the ranch,
and things continue to develop since the last time we
got together. We now know that quarterback Khalil Wilkins is

(04:29):
a questionable. We record on Thursday, and so we'll get
the injury report now coming out here in the next
tonight and then tomorrow, and then you'll figure out who's
in and who's out. But the injuries continue to build
up at the worst possible positions.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So that's a likely Scottie Fox start again. But man,
you talk about a team that was had surprising depth
at quarterback now really doesn't have any. Max Brown, what's
his availability? Probably okay to go, but Dinged.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
They always say he's always available in an emergency.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
That's never a striking endorsement, right there.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I think we're getting towards Scott on the depth charge.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah right, it's got Keen wonderful, great kid, great kid,
Max Anderson, true freshman out of the Old Panhandle, I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
A tremendous height. So you know what I was just thinking,
which is dangerous start of the season. We did the
over unders. I bet you the only one we're going
to hit on is over on the number of quarterbacks
that played.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That was the easiest one on there. Yeah, I could
have moved the line to almost eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I know you over I thought it really is
no way, it really is. I mean, and it is
on top of just things going wrong, and now it's
just it's compiling, is how bad things are going with
the injuries. I mean it's it was already bad and
you knew you were going to have issues with talent
and certainly issues with depth, and then to get hit
by the injuries and his key positions. I mean, it's

(05:54):
a worst worst case scenario.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Can you reset the line, like, let's do one of
those late season reset the line and a number of
quarterbacks that play?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
How many has there been?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Five? Right? Put it six and a hand Nico Jalen Khalil, Scottie,
he just knacks he's five.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Put it six and a half.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, that's what it would be.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's historic.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's not funny. I'm not laugh at it. It's unbelievable.
I'm just thinking when I heard the number six and
a half, it's just a comical number.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
The other injury part of this, and it plays into
what we've been saying about your your trying to at
this point identify guys that will be back next year.
What's your starting point for next year? Tike's Crawford's listed
on that injury report as well. What's the offensive line situation?
We heard Rich earlier this week, for really the first time,
started to say there's going to be some other guys
at different positions. Is the offensive line one of those.

(06:43):
The other guy that we've mentioned the most outside of
those starters has been Malik Agbo. We've seen him play
a couple times, get some more snaps, seems to grade
out pretty well. Scored a touchdown drive last week while
he was in So that's I know. I keep saying
the same thing the last couple of weeks, but that's
still what I'm watching is which guys on this roster
are going to do enough that they're clearly as part

(07:05):
of the starting point for Poyson, because I think that's
a critical part of this What's that number moving forward?
How many guys do you have to go out and get.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Just it may look like the basketball team.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I mean, you may have so many, wouldn't quite go
that far. Basketball has not returned a point in two years.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
All Right, I'm being hyperbolic there, but you know what
I mean. There could be tremendous turnover. You could see
how many different starters next year.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
That perfectly segues us into Happy's obvious observations. He just
made his first one. It could be a lot of change.
That was Hoppy's first observation. Okay, so you've studied this
up and you've done work on this with your obvious observation.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, two things. One is what stood out to me
this week, and Brad's going to get into the to
the numbers, and I'm sure the numbers don't look good,
but let Brad handle that. But two things that were
said in the coach's interviews this week that we're disturbing.
Rich Rodriguez said, quote, most of the games we haven't
played well, the intensity and competitiveness was still there in

(08:06):
this past game, it wasn't. Rodriguez said, that's poor coaching
because we have to do our job, especially me, for
the guys. I have to have a certain level of
competitive and so and so forth in that game, even
early in the game before anybody scored a touchdown. That
was the most surprising part of that. So here's the offensive,
the main guy talking about a lack of competitiveness among players.

(08:29):
Zach Ally, you watch the amount of loafs were loafs
and the things that happened in the game. I called
it out right on the first series bread the second
play of the game, we have six guys not running
to the ball. So now you. We've talked about injuries,
we've talked about depth, we've talked about talent. Add to

(08:49):
that lack of effort, lack of competitiveness, not by everybody,
but by players on the field, and that's what often
happens when you have things that's going completely off the rails.
So to me, that is another key factor that just
makes things even harder if you have players who aren't

(09:10):
who aren't competing at a high level. That to me
was very, very disturbing and disappointing because what did I read.
I actually wrote down a quote. I'm not sure if
I have it here, but you know, a lot of
a lot of premier athletes say, Brad, you want to win.
I mean, that's the goal is to win. But even
if you don't win, you have to you expect yourself

(09:32):
to do your best to be competitive at all times.
So that to me is a key thing that emerged
this week overtly about this team. Yeah, second thing is
and this is my this is my glass half full.
It's homecoming. It's homecoming. And for those folks who went
to WV or to any school, college is often when

(09:55):
we had a couple of recent college going into what's
right here today is where you can earn more.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Tanner and Morgan or Morgan.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Where you started to really the arc of your life
began to bend. Okay, you're away from home. Typically you're
under the influence of really smart professors your meeting there,
so your life is changing and you're starting this arc
that's going to impact the rest of your life. And

(10:27):
you know, maybe you fell in love and fell out
of love and fell in love again, and maybe you
party too much one semester but still got a respectable
two point five. You made friends that last, that that
last for life, and you're always going to come back.
You're always going to come back, and you come back
for the game. That's a reason to come back. But
also you'll come back and you'll ride around town and

(10:47):
you'll show your kids or you know, where that crappy
apartment you lived in, and it'll be very tactile. You'll
be here and touching things and and and all those
memories will come flooding back. And that's a special I'm sorry,
that's a special time. That's a neat experience right to
go through that. So for those folks who are coming

(11:07):
back this weekend, I hope the game is good. But
there's more to it than that. There's the whole experience
of returning to a place that is near and dear
to your heart. That is, that is a sense of
place that that country road leads you back home. And
that's why this is a special weekend.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Geez, I knew that was coming. I would have put
like some really big time music underneath.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I just feel stronger.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Do you think he's very emotional about this homecoming? As
as emotional as I've ever seen you about a homecoming.
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I feel very strongly about that. And the longer I'm
away from the university, the more the more I feel
that tug, even though I live in town, and I
just think it's it is a neat experience, a neat experience,
and just just that.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So will you go back to rekindle your memories at all? What?
Will you go burn a couch like you did when
you were a student here?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, I probably won't do that, but I'll tell you
this is that I'm going to the Arizona State game.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, oh yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I'm going to the Arizona State stay game. And the
five other people that are going are all college friends
fifty years later, all college friends. So this is this place,
and I know it's true of other schools too, but
you're here and you leave here, and it's it's it
is in you. It's indeblibly linked to you, and that

(12:30):
to me is special. So love to win the game,
hope to have a great experience, But there's more to
it than that.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Wow, you know you went way too seriously.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
That was really well said. Now let's turn that back
to football, because I do think that is one of
the things that's missing in college sports right now. That's
that's a that's a big missing piece right there, and
it ties into what you said about the loafs or
the lack of effort. That's surprising that that happened. It's
surprising that that zach Ally and rich both meant. But

(13:00):
you also can kind of see that, right. You get
a team that's really struggling and then is beset by
injuries on top of it, and you have coaches looking around,
as we just said, they're evaluating who's coming back next year. Well,
that's what players are doing too, right, They're looking around saying,
maybe I don't have a spot here.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Next year.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And if you're not singularly focused, that's a hard world. Man,
That is a hard world to live in and be
good if everybody's not one thousand percent in and going
in the same direction. And clearly it's not right now.
And I understand that I've played on really bad teams
and it is hard to stay engaged and give your
best effort, especially when you're looking around going, well, I

(13:37):
don't know if I'm going to be back on this campus,
either by my choice or your choice is the coach,
And I think that's part of what's happening right now,
is that it's not so much of just oh my god,
you've lost the locker room. This is a disaster. It's
everybody starting to look out for themselves and when that happens,
that's not good. And you're seeing those results on the field.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Those are all very good points. And I think it's
going to lead us into a different philosophy and a
different way of how you coach nowadays because of that,
because coaches used to have the ability to hang it
over your head. Is your scholarship going to be renewed.
We might not renew your scholarship, But for the most part,
they knew it was going to get renewed. Unless you're

(14:16):
just an absolute jughead and do things now. There are
so many that come in for just a year, let's
face it, man, like it's late October and they can
do the math too, and they know there's five games left,
and they just might be a half a step slower
on the field, their preparation might not be as good.
So the ones that are going to be successful, the

(14:39):
coaches that are going to be successful, are the ones
that figure out a way to put a carrot some way,
somehow in front of each of those players so that
there aren't those kinds of setbacks. Now, I would say this,
the eye in the sky never lies. And so if
anyone has aspirations to play professionally, they're not loafing right now,
because those NFL folks w every single ounce of tape,

(15:01):
and if they see that, you're off the list, and
that will be something that's hung over their heads by
the coaches, like, if you think you've got any chance
after here, you will not loaf. But what if those
guys know they've got no chance to play anywhere else?
That's when it becomes a potential problem.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I also found it interesting that Rich came out and
said this week, what a lot of people have been saying,
that they just misevaluated on a bunch of guys. Yes, like,
I give him credit for just standing up and saying,
all right, it's you can see it in the results.
But for him to stand up and say, we just
misevaluated some in the portal. We've got to get better
at that, I'd give them credit for doing that.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Someone hit me with a text, and I think they
kind of hit it right. They said Rich showed up
at the yard sale at noon. Problem was it started
at nine am, and by that, they're saying, by the
time he started to get into it and go get guys,
the first fruit was already picked over. And I think
there's some of that in that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Is well, I think there's a lot in that. And again,
I think it's interesting and notable that he did. He
was candid about that, and if there this is not
a positive, but at least it's worth noting that at
this point in this season, you can accurately and truthfully
identify all these things. It's not like you're sitting here going, well,
you know something, I know there's you know they they're

(16:20):
analyzing constantly bred where they are. And I'm sure, I'm
sure they're already looking talking to people.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I think we're at your past looking hop I mean,
there's there's As we always say that movement is is hap,
movement is afoot, it always is.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It would have to be right.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Doesn't wait until the moment that the portal opens.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
When the portal opens, you can act on those things
you've been working on.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, and you might already be behind when the portal opens.
So it's yeah, that's so.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
So, Yeah, it's fair to say that West Virginia and
other schools have a pretty good list. It might be
a number two pencil right now. They have a pretty
good list of who's coming.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
You know, what you owe, what you need, and what
you need. You can identify that now. And that's so
and again.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
And they've been working on this for a while to
the point of when Rich got here that there is
some truth to that. As much as if you don't
want to hear that, there is some truth to that
that you you do get a late start when you're
in your first year. It's almost every single coach. There's
no way around that. This second year, but it does
put some more pressure on it, I think because this year,
I think you're going to have fewer guys able to
remain and earn spots than you probably thought when you

(17:26):
took this job.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
If you're rich, yes, so you you now have more
holes to fill then you thought you would have to fill.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I would think that's the next year.

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Speaker 3 (21:14):
This is one of those situations We ever have many
of these, but we always talk about the numbers mature
as you get through the season. Yes, well they're not
maturing in a in a favorable fashion. So well let's
let's go through some here. They just they are what
they are. Sometimes the numbers are just what the numbers are.
The only way through storms at times is what.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
The only way out is through.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Gotta go through. So we're just going through. Start with
Josh Hoover coming in the TCU quarterback. This is this
is a particular point of concern if you're West Virginia
getting a guy that's it's really good return from last year.
Had had an awesome season last season for the Frogs.
He's back twenty one touchdown, six interceptions, so he's actually
three touchdown passes per game, coming off his best passing

(21:52):
grade of the season last week against Baylor. Here's this
is the normal part of the program where I would
then say to you this, but I tell you what
Josh Uver might be due for a turnover too here
right that we have called this before previous shows.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
This year, we have called this, and it has happened.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
And it has come to fruition. So I would say again,
at a normal point in the program, if you look
beyond those numbers, guys, sixteen big time throws is, according
to Pro Football Focus, sixteen big time throws on his
twenty one touchdown passes fourteen turnover worthy plays. Even though
he has just six interceptions for his career, he's only

(22:33):
two above five hundred in the big time throw category
forty six to forty four.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
So you're bating us up here for some picks.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
There should be some picks involved in this game, right.
Those numbers tell you, as they have earlier in this season,
that you should get an interception or Two's the here's
the stunning number here that just will totally bum you out.
And I'm sorry. West Virginia is an unbelievable zero to
four when winning the turnover battle. That's crazy, That's that's amazing.

(23:03):
That that's how many times do we lead on upsets? Hoppy?
What is in page one of the manual turnover don't
turn it over, get tournament? You're gonna it just it
hasn't mattered that year that, like I could just stop
right now. That's a total bum out.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
That that tells you how bad you are offensively.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Okay, you haven't been able to take advantage because you're
top twenty nationally in takeaways and it's not translating into wins.
I know. Now here's again not to bum me out
with the segment, but.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh, you're doing a heck of a job so far.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I mean, it is what it is. The bigger concern
I have with this TCU offense is a couple of things.
First and foremost, it's the lack of pressure that West
Virginia has displayed the last four games. It's which is
which has surprised me hoppy given how it looked against Pitt,
and I know Pitt's offensive line struggled. We talked about
that leading into the game, that we thought you could
get some pressure and it changed the game. You hit

(23:58):
Eli Holsting right in the face to the first possession
and it changed him the whole game, helped lead you
to a win, and then that's been it. You just
basically have gotten no pressure in Big twelve play. This
would seem to be another offensive line. It's got some
injury concerns it would seem to be one where, all
things being equal, you could get some pressure, but we
haven't seen West Virginia be able to do that. If
they don't, if they don't get pressure, look out for

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some of these big plays. TCU loves to throw it downfield.
They're in the ninety fifth percentile in pass explosive percentage.
They're ninety second percentile nationally in just overall explosive percentage.
So they're going to attack the middle of the field
and they're going to throw the ball deep on you.
So that concerns me a lot. For a West Virginia
defense that's really struggling to contain explosives. It costs you

(24:43):
the game against UCF.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, what have you seen? What did you see against UCF?
I mean you had that stunning stat about big plays
four hundred.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
And eighteen yards on the fifteen or sixteen big plays
that UCF had. So this is not the offense you
want to be facing. If that's been a struggle, here's
another number that under normal circumstances, I would say, all right,
here's another key for the defense, and this bodes well
for you. TCU has been one of the best nationally
when it comes to third and fourth down success. They're

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fourth nationally in fact, converting fifty eight percent of the time.
But here's what's interesting. They're one twenty second nationally in
average third down distance to go. Those numbers are wildly
apart fourth at conversion and one twenty second on yards
to go, almost eight yards per third down.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
They're converting on long plays.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And or going forward on fourth, which is what I'm
getting to. Normally, though, I would say to you that
should regress. Right, We've we've got a math major in
the room that should there should be some.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Is that Morgan or Tanner Tanner.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Morgan or Tanner Morgan, whichever. Just make it one name
now it'd be easier for you. So there should more
sam In a normal situation game seven or eight, you
should start to have some regression. Those numbers shouldn't be
that far apart. You keep leaving yourself third and eight,
you're not going to be fourth in the country in conversions.
But we saw this against UCF. What are teams doing
against West Virginia. They're saying, all right, it's third down,
so what we're gonna go for it on four down?

(26:03):
The eight yards doesn't matter because we have two downs
to get it, so watch third downs. If West Virginia
has any chance to hang around in this, I would
think it's going to become third and long situations that
you get off the field.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Can I be recognized, sir for a point?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, here's the lunacy of that stat that you gave
about turnover margin. Since two thousand and two, West Virginia
is one oh four and nineteen in games in which
they win the turnover margin, they're one oh four and nineteen.
That's a winning percentage of eighty four percent.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Turnovers matter.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
And Brad said, and Brad said, four times this season
you've won it and you've lost the game oh and four. Well,
it's a statistical here, that's a bright spot. It's a
statistical anomaly, which means dog gone it. On Saturday at
Baby's due to come home.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
You are due either that, either that or you're due
to not get as many turnovers. I mean, but you
come back to look a look at the Ohio University game.
To me, that was the embodiment of it. You got
what four turnovers right, and couldn't you know, three consecutive
turnovers and couldn't move the ball end up with minus
seven yards.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, mine is nine. I think not to make it
worse than it was. All right, neither here nor there. Okay,
flip over the offensive side for a second, because you
got enough defensive things to worry about there. Can you
run it? I mean you just start there. Are you
going to have any success running it? This is and
this was. This is one of those where if you
look at just the numbers for TCU, it shows you

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that you should be able to to run the ball
on them. If you talk to and we did this
week on sports Line Brian Estrids are play by play guy.
He actually thought the numbers are lying to you there
a little bit. He thought they're better in past defense
than they are running it, which is a big concern
because it looks like you can run it, which might

(27:53):
be okay, well maybe you can get through there them throwing.
He Brian's contention is defensively and this does not well
for you that they're starting to come into their own
against Baylor. Last week Sawyer Robinson really good. Yes, we
saw him be super efficient against West Virginia. TCU got
to him twenty pressures in that game, held him to

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under fifty percent completion. Baylor had seven explosive plays. They
all came through the air, none on the ground. So
as a TCU defense that you're not quite sure what
to expect, maybe what you thought could happen might not.
If that pass defense is as good as Brian thinks
it is, even though the numbers may not tell you that,

(28:34):
that could be a potential problem. But more to the point,
those pressure numbers and holding a really good experienced quarterback
in Robertson with what has been a very effective Baylor offense,
holding that offense in check probably doesn't bode well for
Scotty Fox, who's trying to navigate through his first year
as a starter here.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And that's just you know, Brad, the the stats that
you give for TCU, if all things were equally you'd say, well,
there's a couple of things you could take advantage of, yes, right, right,
But given the fact that West Virginia has a unable
to run the ball, be unable to pass the ball,
see starting an inexperienced freshman quarterback, the lack of playmakers,

(29:12):
it those those potential vulnerabilities of TCU don't matter much.
I mean they matter, but but West Virginia is not
able to take advantage of them Pharaoh.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yes, all right, let's just stop there.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's enough.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So what was the do we have over one and
a half positives?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I don't think the did we got there? They did
lose at Kansas State forty one to twenty eight. Maybe
coming away from home, maybe maybe a lot to your point,
hop what what the coaches had said this week about
the delivering effort, Like, if you don't deliver at your
optimum effort level, it's going to be a long day

(29:56):
at the ballyard. And that's just the beginning. Like the
reality of is this. Guess what, TCU has more better players.
We call that MBP. They have more better players. Now
that doesn't necessarily always mean you're gonna win the game.
It's which team is gonna play better on Saturday. But
if you don't bring your absolute A plus effort, they're

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gonna outplay you.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And how this is We've said this before. This is
gonna have to be a little bit of belief in
the unseen. Right, You're gonna need some help. TCU is
gonna have to come in super flat because they're looking
at West Virdan's performances and don't take it seriously, You're
gonna have to play at an optimum level, Scotti. Fox
is gonna have to come out and take on a
pass defense that, like I said, the numbers show you
should be able to throw it right. You may not
be able to, but he's gonna have to come out

(30:39):
and Cam Vaughn's gonna have to go bananas, and you're
gonna have to have some guys made plays that they
haven't made over the last few days offensively and defensively.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
What is and I keep going back to these negative points,
but I'm unfortunately, I think there's this obvious is that
what was really scary about what Zach Allie and Ritrodriguez
said was when they use the word loafing or lack
of effort at the beginning of the game. At the
beginning of the game, Tony, not when the game's out
of hand and it's the fourth quarter and everybody's tired.

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At the beginning of the game.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I would hope, I would think, my gut would tell
me that that won't happen again, Okay this year, it
won't happen on Saturday, Okay. I would think that they
would get that taken care of this week that they
should come out and play at a very the best
that they can play at a high level of efficiency.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, and if you're I would think rich Rod would
have the attitude as well as well, Zach Alley is it. Look,
if you're not gonna have effort and you're gonna get beat,
then play somebody else who will make an effort, even
if they're not quote unquote as a good.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Which they talked about this week, that you would see
some different guys at different positions, so that may be coming.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean, what's the matter if you're gonna get beat,
Let somebody who wants to be on the field be
on the field.

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Speaker 1 (33:58):
All right, did you do you have Did you have
spreads on stats at all yet for basketball? No?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
But let's talk basketball, but no, no real numbers coming
out of that. We talked on the last episode about
some of the numbers coming out of the Maryland closed
practice there that we're just really really encouraging, right, really
encouraging and exciting. I think that's the biggest thing. I'm
just looking forward to seeing this team get back on
the floor here and get out in a public venue
where people can see them. And they'll be out Friday.

(34:26):
Don't forget Friday night, they'll be here. If you're locally,
they're going to be out at Woodburn Circle, the Men's
and women swinging Ballin' at Woodburn. It's called open event,
free to the public. They're going to put a partial
court down and be out there doing some drills, shooting contests,
and no he did not immediately following the homecoming parade.
You just walk right over and check out ballin at Woodburn,
free to public.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Excellent. And at the same time, you could also if
you would stop at our teelgate for a little while
by Daniels three guys two, then head over to the
homecoming parade and then catch the ball into Woodburn.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah. I had several call or texts on the text
this week about when the tailgate will take place, the
food court will take place, and as I go through
this right now. I can tell you that it will
be from three to nine on Friday, three to nine

(35:17):
on Friday, and then Saturday nine to thirty ish to
three thirty ish and then from noon until two on Saturday.
We will have live music from the folks at mon
Hill's Records. Now, they've done a great job, tremendous. They've
played at our b Dubs events two sides, and they've
played at our United Way played at the United Way
event for US sides. I don't know if it's going
to be done, it'll be someone else.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
But they've been to the food Court too this year.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah that's true too.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
So here's who's going to be at the food court.
Rev Kev's Barbecue, Grateful Bread, Bret's terrific Scones, Pepperoni rolls,
The Big Huge Lemonade will be serving lemonade, Big lemon
and our friend Duka and the folks from Parkersburg Brewing Connection.
Three of what's Duca making? I don't know what I do?

(36:00):
What's he doing?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
He actually has?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
He always made it.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
That is that great to do. Buy chocolate baclava and
then I think he spices up your lemonade. If you
wanted a little adult beverage.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Versus a little something in there A does.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
In fact, it's a wine bar. They've got accouterments there
that can come with your drink.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
There's a wine selection.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Hey. One basketball thing, one basketball thing. Talking about these
secret scrimmages. Talking to a Division one head coach this
morning about his secret scrimmage. Our coach, No, it was
not ours, it was not Ross. It was another guy.
And uh, he said, yeah, a secret scrimmage. I always

(36:39):
have fun. I said, what do you mean, you always
have fun? He goes every year, put a whistle in
my pocket. I said, what he says, I put a
whistle in my pocket? I said, what do you He goes,
that's the only time I do it. He said, Like,
we're scrimmaging this weekend, this past weekend, and kids getting
ready to shoot file shots down the other end, and
there's moisture on the floor. And so the coach from
the other team he's playing is telling the official hate
there's moist there's get to get someone and wrap it up.

(37:01):
Officials for whatever reason, like they weren't hearing them, they
weren't paying it. So my guy takes out his whistle
blows the whistle of the officials. Like, what in the
world just happened there? He said. He goes, got some
wetness side of the floor. I gotta clean that out there.
So then, okay, once you think one time whistle, just
to just do it once, don't don't abuse it, he says.
Now there's like about fifteen seconds left and the half

(37:22):
we get possession of the ball. We come down the floor.
He goes, I want a thirty second time out. So
the guy runs by me, the official, I said, yo, yo,
time out, time out. He runs right by me. He
goes down to the baseline, doesn't listen. He goes, I
took the whistle out. Whistle officials again, He goes, I
want a thirty I need a thirty here, he says. Yeah,
he says, it works like a charm.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Maybe that would be something interesting to add to the game.
Let the let the coaches be able to use a
whistle like twice a half.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You imagine that, get you get to use it once
a half once on a half. You have a special whistle.
It sounds different than the officials whist. And you want
the damn you want the damn thing. Stop right now,
I want it stopped.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well four o'clock on Sunday tip off against Wheeling. It
neat experience for Wheeling too. We saw it last year
with Charleston. That's really cool for those guys from those
programs to be able to come in here to this
building and play last year. It was really impactful for
James Long who played here this year. Chris Richardson, the
head coach for Wheeling, is excited to bring his guys
but personally excited. Went to Gail Catlet's camp as a

(38:28):
as a kid, covered the Mountaineers for Great Hunters, Blue
and Gold News for years and now gets an opportunity
to return to the Coliseum and coach his guys.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Did we hook him up with Chris Wallace? Is that
how he got into this crazy thing?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah? Hunter, Hunter, And there's a long story there, but yes,
Hunter bailed on a dinner one night, wouldn't go out
to dinner with Chris Wallace Hunter Baales. Chris was already
ready to go to dinner, so Chris Richardson went with him,
asked him for an internship. How do I get into coaching?
Had turned in start got into it?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
What? Also?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
This was interesting talking to Chris yesterday or the game.
What also got him started in coaching, he was he
went to a coaching clinic. One of the first things
he did for Blue Gold News was he covered John
Bee Lines one of his first coaching clinics, and was
there and just was was hooked and mesmerized with the camp.
And then and then was around practice a lot and
covered coach b Line and interesting coach be Line of

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Wheeling Jesuit graduate at the time, and linked up Chris
and so he'll bring his team down here on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm gonna ask you for an over under setting over under.
I made three pointers by the Mountaineers on Sunday. Oh,
now we know they had at least sixteen this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Over fifteen and a half.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
You're going over again.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
No, I'm saying that was over there.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I know it was always over that number on Maryland.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I would know that's a big number because you're also
have a big size advantage over Wheeling, So I think
you're gonna be able to get into the paint.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Little bit the number. Give me half of that.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I was going to say eight and a half, Okay,
I know that sounds ridiculously low given what they just did.
But there's there should be some regression to the mean there.
You're going to get some some easier looks. I would
think in the eight and a half, I'll go over.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
If if I were Chris, I'd be milking that experience.
I'd be walking that sideline, I'd be calling time out,
I'd be working the officials. I would just get the
whole experience, right. I would not be sitting there quietly.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh, he won't, he won't. I think that'll be a
great experience that his dad, and he's been a long
time supporter and helps run MAC events down in Charleston
for years. That's a need. That's a neat experience for
them to come in here and and cool. I think
that West Virginia or other division on programs are able
to do that right now, to help out another program
like that and give them some experience, help their budget
a little bit. It'll be it'll be great for those players.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Four o'clock and then the women go after. The women
will follow the WVU men and they'll be playing the
fighting Falcons of Fairmont State six six thirty, I think
might be the start time for that one. All right,
you ready to heal?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah? By the way, Fairmont SAT's women, Stephanie's got them
rolling down there. Stephanie Erson head coach, former Stephanie Michael,
she has got the Falcons rolling.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Put a line on that game. What are you going with?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Uh, don't.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I'm not gonna give you a line, not on not
on the books?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Is it? I mean to you sometime?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Are we doing basketball?

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because he has a basketball note that I literally cannot
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
Noting that Santa Clara University's basketball team. Oh my gosh,
I know this is a sign Theory Darlin. Darlin played
two years in the NBA's G League and London Johnson,
who played in the G League three seasons.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
He went down Crickie on London Johnson. He did you
hear London Johnson.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Has signed with Louisville. This is good news for West Virginia.
The Mountaineers. Maybe can bring Eric Stevenson back. Absolutely right,
that was my first thought.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Or maybe EMMITTT. Matthews, ray kwon battle. I mean, think
of the G League players available, and look if you
can get G League players. I was watching the Knicks
and the Cavaliers last night. I mean, if Duce has
an off night.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Wow, how about how good did he? Like?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Fifteen points four of six from three. I was gonna
say a quick little recap and they'll come back to that.
Because because this was this, Santa Clara did it, and
I'm not sure anybody.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Knew, no no one knew. Louisville did it.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And it became a deal. I mean, if you watch
the Big twelve media day this week, Scott drew led
his appearance on stage with they asked him, what'd you
learn this summer? What'd you learn about you? He guess, well,
I learned you can take a G League player and
put him on your team.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
So I don't think a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Calvin Sampson had no idea that was happening.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
So I'm thinking that if the Knick's a wild one,
if the Knicks are off one night West Virginia's playings
bring ducebag.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well they do that with two way players. Javon's on
a two way contract. He's going to play League Oscar
two way contract. Just now just include well it's all
joking aside. That surprised me. I wasn't aware that that
was doable that. I don't know why I'm surprised. I
don't know why anything wows me anymore. I'm really not
That was a that wowed me where it wowed me

(43:22):
In this.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
New environment we keep saying that new environment. It seems
like just every what month or every two months, there's
something you go what I guess So I guess you
can do that.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Now, I guess you.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Can do that.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I see why the administrators are having trouble getting their
arms around it.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, how are you supposed to like, how are you
supposed to run your program correct?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
What are you supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Are you supposed to is coach supposed to stand out
a guy now and say, go scout the G league
see if I can find a guy.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes. What it means yes, it underscores the lunacy because
of the inconsistency of their rulings. So, for example, Chance
more for the Mountaineers has to sit out five games
to start the season.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Right, he did because he appeared in five. He appeared
in five in Archanestras. That was the compromise.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
He didn't. He didn't, he didn't take any money, He
didn't put himself out there. He didn't go to the
G League. Like define for me how you could even
like everyone should be eligible like.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
All the time, all the time, it doesn't matter, correct, Yeah,
but I think a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Have been saying that. I mean Dennis Koalichla, if you
remember that, I was just gonna say they put him
in like a Turkish prison. He couldn't play.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
He got a cheese sandwich and in three Turkish coffees
and was out for like a half a season, and
no one could figure out when's the answer coming?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
When are we gonna know?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
When's the big Turk back? Don't know?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, they put him like two sandwiches, admitted a murder. Yeah,
And instead, now we got a guy from the G
League to play two years in the G League.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
One guy played.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Three weeks, played two different teams.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
So now let's say you play for the Mountaineers for
two years and you think, oh, I'm gonna be an
NBA player. You go out, you don't make an NBA team,
You go to your go to, your play for six years,
have a good career, come back, come back.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Well, there's some stipulations. The reason, the reason why they
said this kid he made less than forty thousand dollars
and didn't go through the full NBA draft evaluation.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Perry l l Yeah, okay, fine, real quick to continue.
On last night, so former Mountaineers three and oh on
the night, JC didn't play, Carter didn't play. Uh, Javon
played a lot, nineteen minutes of action, didn't score, missed
his two shots, had three assaists, should have had five,
guys miss bunnies. Don't appreciate that and need to get
those assists numbers up. Played nineteen minutes though he was

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in there and was plus six in the plus minus.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Thrilled, Happy, good job, Vaugh, Happy for him and Deuce
by the way we expect used to.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I mean he's playing well.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah. So, speaking of you mentioned the Turk, Oliver Straw's dad,
I forgot to tell you this when I saw Now, No,
I don't know where he is today. Lord knows up
in a rocket on Saturday. It's got Turkish coffee. He
brought coffee from turk Key with him, gave it to
Oliver Saturday at the football game. Oliver has it. He

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brought it back up here, muling it and and I
saw Oliver at the building the other day. I said,
you know, where's that coffee? And he said, I didn't
think i'd see it today. So it's at my place.
But he has Turkish coffee for us. And his dad
was explaining how hard it was to move the coffee there.
You know, that's a tough product to move, well for Westers.

(46:27):
I don't think it's tough for him for the stuff
that he does illegally. Is is an international spy.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
He's not a spy and he doesn't do illegal things.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Well as far as I know. Yeah, anyway, so we
got it. We got that coffee.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Are we allowed to have the coffee or not?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
When Oliver gets it over here?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Oh, it's for us, it's not for Oliver.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I've got things going on.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I think it's already it's already ground, So we're gonna
have to do a drip with.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I thought the way Oliver kicked the last game, he'd
hit that coffee before he was crushing it.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Rich Rich beiggrudgingly on his talk show this week named
Ali Straw the Park Superstore hardest worker.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Of the Week because he did not watch your punter.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
He said, like exactly, He's like a man. I got
name the artist worker of the week away.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But you know what, it's just when things are so bad,
you gotta find your little nuggets of joy. That fake
punt was fun. It was end of story.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
There.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
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Speaker 2 (48:03):
Ready, Sure, here comes.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
The healing on the year zero nonsense. I have conceded.
This is year zero, meaning no amount of losing can
get rich fired. That being said, next year is year two,
meaning if we don't see all capital letters, drastic improvement
in talent and wins, it may be time to move
off of rich Rod. Losing cannot be tolerated.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, well, look you're not gonna do two years. I mean,
you're not gonna get fired after two years, and I
think this team will be better unless you unless there
was some abert like you said, Tony aberration, like if
you went Oho to twelve or one in eleven.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
But no, no.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
No, stop stop. This is why I just this is
why that doesn't work for whomever wrote this one. If
you fire a coach after two years, the pool of
candidates that would come and look at your job would
be like hoppy, Like that would be it like one
guy in one guy applied it was hoppy. That's one.

(49:10):
That's two the amount of money you would owe in
a BIA. So it just doesn't that's not realistic. And
you don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
If you if you were, if you were bad enough
to fire him, what you're not gonna do, then you'd
bring in a coach to an even worse situation. If
you could get somebody.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, well this is this is gonna work, This will
be fine, just hang in there. Well there's some bumps.
This will work.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's to ba whether it's going to be worked. I
think it was gonna work. I think it will. But
you don't do you don't do it too your fire.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Hoppy pointed out that West Virginia's injuries are to the
best players. I've got no idea the extent of the injuries,
but I will give them benefit of doubt. With that said,
when there is a disappointing season, or in this case,
a season without hope, then the current rules incentivize best
players to claim injury. After all, they are the guys

(49:56):
that have money on the table next year from WVU
or an the school in the NFL. It used to be,
and I assume still is absent. You're guaranteed money that
if you don't play, you don't get paid what we
call nil. That is not the case in college. You
guys know this stuff better than any of us. Am
I right or wrong? So I go back to what
I said earlier. Guys faking an injury or just laying

(50:20):
it down. Those NFL scouts are in the building almost
every single day of the week. They are constantly, constantly
and you know who they talk with. They talk with
the trainer, they talk with the weight staff, they talk
with the assistant coaches. And let's say, Kerchieval, all of
a sudden he's not playing, and they'll say, what about Kerchival?
And they'll say, that soft ass, he got no injury

(50:43):
and he's laying down. You know what, the NFL guys
go okay, off the list. So, guys, I mean despite
the fact that you're not winning or that, I mean
everyone everything gets put out there. Everyone's known. There are
no real secrets once you get inside of the building.
So it's not really a realistic.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
And talk about a business that cannot afford to make
a mistake.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
NFL players get paid when they're injured though, yes, yeah, so,
I mean that's that's what they're not paid.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Hey, Brad, let me ask you something real quick. So
the line is fifteen and a half, what's the play there?

Speaker 3 (51:18):
That's a big Home Dog play. You think you think
the most is going to come in on that Most
of the numbers I've seen so far, it's on TCU.
That's why that numbers climbed a little bit. But that
man that's getting up there, it's wondering that's getting up there.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Joe and Green Ohio Rights. I've been looking forever and
I finally found them. I picked up a new set
of hubcaps from a nineteen seventy four El Camino at
episode eight hundred, dot com Right, yeah, there you go,
Jeff and Scott depot. Mama said there'd be days like these.
I was listening to the Coaches show. Rich keeps saying

(51:52):
that some of the transfers will be good next year,
but with it being their first year their learning. My
thought is, if it takes two years to understand the system,
then why take transfers that only have one year of eligibility?
And the reason is because in those particular cases, you
need an absolute, immediate fix at a particular position. And

(52:15):
you know what you just said is correct. You know that, Hey,
I got nothing else here. I'm gonna take a one
year flyer on this kid and hope that he produces.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, it's the it's the volumer number of those that
you have that starts to get a concern. When that's
the bulk of your team, then you get worried. Just
last year, just pick one example, and the defense was
not good last year.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
But t J.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Jackson, right, gave you one year, had a really good year,
was your highest grade defensive player. So there are examples
where you can be good in the one year. But
if it's multiple guys, that's where sometimes it gets challenging.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, you're right, Hey, three guys, longtime listener, I'm an
infrequent Texter. Two thoughts one Hoppies, I'm not mad, just disappointed.
Dad pose for the photo for episode six sixty seven
sums up my feelings for this year's season two. Rich
Rod saying and he hopes the UCF game is the
low point, brought to mind the line from the movie
Deep Water Horizon, hope ain't a tactic heaven from Arlington Rights,

(53:09):
Why don't you play hoppy song anymore? Copyright issues? I
don't even know where it is. I don't even know
where it is. That was a nice song.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
You know what the line is on the Wisconsin Oregon game,
Let me get away don't tell where's it.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
It's at Oregon, at Oregon Wisconsin. We'll be favored by
twenty one and a half points.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
What I was gonna say, Oregon's favored by thirty one
and a half.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Wow, great day to be a duck wherever you may be.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Thirty one and a half brand and good lord Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
And Luke Fickle got a vote of didn't get a
vote competence, which is which is the very thing you
get before you get fired.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Bill is a graduate of the university from nineteen sixty
and five. So if I'm doing my math correctly, that's
thirty five plus twenty five, which is sixty and so
you're probably another twenty by the time you graduate eighty.
So this is a seasoned fan. The TV contracts with

(54:12):
the Big Four expire twenty thirty. I suspect that beginning
around that time shortly thereafter, it gonna be some serious realignment.
If schools like West Virginia are no longer relevant, they're
going to be left out like wash State and Oregon State.
So if the school and or large donors are going
to contribute and spend money, they'd better do it now.

(54:33):
I think the next four or five are going to
be the most important. If the next four or five
are like the last four or five will likely be
outside looking in. What do y'all think?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I think that he's right that the next four or
five years are relevant. I don't know what's going to
happen with realignment. Who knows, Brad. But what I come
back to is I firmly believe WU has the right
guy in the right place in Rin Baker to help
ensure that you are relevant win and if there's realignment.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, they're positioning themselves. The one hundred and forty additional
scholarships is a massive move in that part. The giving
more revshare dollars to football is a big move in that.
The construction projects that are being talked about, i e.
The press box at the football stadium will also be
a money generator because it's going to bring in a

(55:21):
significant number of suites which will generate, you know, potentially
I think Ren said four or five million dollars in
additional revenue every single year. So we're positioned their position,
it's they're doing the right I think.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Their positioned very well. I mean, I'm not sure you
can do things off the field much better than what
they're doing, getting everything in place and having the right
people in place. That's it. You've got to you got
to win. You've got to win. That was part of
what West Virginia is, part of their life raft of
getting in the Big twelve. It was just the brand
was too big to ignore it. You had to have
a spot for it. So you've got to get back
to winning it. I'm with Bill there. The next four

(55:53):
or five years is massively important. Those wins have to follow.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Three guys, can you clarify what will happen with the
excess revenue share money from this year? The four million's
not added to next year's cap. Rather, it's just four
million that isn't tied up to players that you can
now spend on others. Correct, you still have to be
under whatever the cap is. Surely you can't save excess
revshare money from year in a mattress and Ren's backyard

(56:17):
and then go on a spending spree.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I'm gonna be careful about this. You guys may maybe
no better than I do. I just think that the
revsar money you didn't spend you can still spend this year. Yes,
and then July one starts to do, but you could
spend it bread this year because it's it's in this
July one, before July one.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Four July one, correct, Ben from Ohia. I said before
this season that this would be the ultimate TCU trap game,
and I predicted a big West Virginia win. I don't
feel so strong about that now. Now I have a
question for Brad since he's been at a lot of
practices and the scrimmage. Is there a former WVU player
comp for Brennan Laurient as a defender? Can he guard

(56:56):
one through five the way E Banks did? I guess
that could could be posed a hoppy as well, since
he's basically an assistant.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Coach now thinks funn are you going.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
To go back to basketball practice?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I'd like to win this. When is it available?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
When we go? Not available anymore? No?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah, every day except Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
That's a that's a good question. E Banks is a
pretty good comp right there. I think Toby last year
was a good comp in terms of high level athleticism.
And yeah, that guard one through five? Yeah, you'll see
Brendan Bedlow out on the on the perimeter, guarding out
there on guards. If he has to, he can go
inside block shots, be one of your best shot blockers.
So yeah, to answer a question, yes, he can guard
any position on the floor.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I keep saying, Calvin Bowman, Am I right? Am I
warm at all?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
And somebody in the department that's been around a long
time bring that up the other day. And also just
physically looks like Calvin Bowman. Calvin scored probably a little
more than below is going to this year, and I
think below might be give you a little more on
the defensive side maybe, but that's not a terrible comparison either,
similar body size.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I like Calvin Moman. Kevin was a good dude, good player.
Take a bunch a great player. I take a bunch
of him. Hey, gentlemen. Two thoughts, a question and an observation.
First thought, what about getting a lou Wendel line of
pond toomboats named after you guys. It could be the
three G's G three fishing or wild boar hunting boats.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
That'd be good.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I'd be fun. I'll be fine. Second thought, y'all could
do a tutor's biscuit eating competition. All you guys talk
about is if whether or not people can eat too.
Maybe instead of the bub hot wing challenge. You could
do a tutor's biscuit eating challenge. You could, I mean, yeah,
question I could eat right now. Texter says, what is
the status of that special three guys tutors biscuit?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
How come we haven't been able to We've publicly gone
on records saying that we were open for it and
we would sign off all of our rights to do that,
but we have not heard.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Well we we I'd be careful there, we wouldn't sign
off all our rights to.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
We'd say, go ahead and make a biscuit after us.
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
That's discussion points there.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Texter observation during Wren's most recent visit to the show,
was it just me or was the poor buddies forehead
glistening like a freshly mopped gym floor on game day?
Was Ren shiny?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
He was shiny?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
He was I didn't recall him being shiny.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It was shiny, but he's he was also really tan.
I mean he looked good. He had a good look going.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Oh yeah, he got I mean he's got big vitamin
D and big heavy vitamin D this summer for him.
I didn't remember him being shiny.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
It's a little shiny na a little bit shiny, but
I mean that's kind of nitpicky.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I mean, yeah, Curtis and Portland had a lot of
time on his hand. On a sad note, Mike and
Myrtle Beach writes, we lost for mum Ountain here football
player Tom Bowman on Monday, in case you guys had
not heard sad news for sure. So he was on
the eighty four team my first year here and was
a captain, was a captain on that team and passed

(59:51):
away and so yeah, absolutely saw that, and our condolences
go to the Bowman family. Yep. Okay, So a lot
of stuff going on by the way Man's soccer, man's
soccer team at nice victory over the old Dominions and
women's go tonight WVU men hoppy. I mean you you're

(01:00:15):
aware of this because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You hired the coach, Dan Stratford.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We're in a three way tie right now for first place.
So it's like here we go, still got Marshall, still
got Kentucky. Uh, this is thing's gonna come literally down
to the final final few off sites. We've got basketball, which.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
The women tonight they're they're rolling the rolling again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, they're home tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
It's up with Greenee and volleyball.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
She lost a heartbreaker at Colorado last weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Just doing this, man, it's getting better. It's getting better.
It's getting better. They're coming home. They got some matches.
They play tomorrow. I'm almost a hundred percent of they
play tomorrow Friday. Yes, they do. They do play Friday
at the Coliseum Coliseum Basketball, Hope Coliseum, Hope Coliseum Basketball.
Coming up on four o'clock on Sunday. Football. Obviously, we're

(01:01:03):
going six o'clock and then we'll find out either late
Saturday night or Sunday what time the game time is
for the Houston game. Come on eleven am, Come on noon,
let's go noon, Let's go new Let's get that done.
Let's get that done on the road. You guys got
anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
No homecoming.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
You think our guests enjoyed the show?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I hope so. I was thinking of you guys good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Morgan's good, Tanner's good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I think Kevin's good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I think Morgan dozed off for a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
But let's live audience for our life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Hey, you know what, you guys, you guys crushed me.
What when we did the United Way event, and I
did the auction, and I asked the CPAs a question
and they gave me a long answer. I bet you
Kevin would just go, yeah, that's deductible. He would do that.
I had talk ask.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Him, well, ask him right now, yes right? Kevin just
said you don't ask me right, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Right, I'll do it. I'll do it. Okay, here's the scenario.
We're in an auction for the United Way and the
item is a pig, and we auctioned off the pig,
and so I told the person that, since they'll be
paying the dollars to the United Way, that it's tax deductible.

(01:02:17):
Is that a correct statement? That's correct statement.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I mean he didn't That's not exactly how that conversation
went down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
That he didn't pause, he didn't bat an eye.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It's because that's not how the conversation. Kevin has things
to add, but you won't let him talk now because
there's things that go that go with that. Well, I
would say this, it's not just a blanket. Yes, I
would say this by virtue of him winning the auction.
That's what he just did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
He donated to the United Way of Central West Virginia.
You know Margaret an O'Neill, you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Know, one of our favorites. She's the best favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
They donated to be here today to do that, and
I would hope that they'll take the tax deduction, and
if people come to me, I'll be free to offer
tax advice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
You know what I got that everybody's clamoring for. I
got tacks suggestions from you, Tony. That's what everybody wants.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I'd say the over under on me saying like, hell yeah,
that is uh, that's a pretty good year at the
doctor ball. Hell yeah, that's the duct.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
That's by the way, when you're auctioning, auctioning, you went,
it's doc stufortible, right right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
That is it? I mean, it wasn't right, Red, That's
what I just said. That the way he just presented it,
there was not at all the scenario that unfold.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Because a credible accountant might want to think about it
for just a few seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
These accounts need to get a little bit more of
a harder edge. That's what I'm saying. All right, are
you saying they were loafing? I'm just I'm just saying,
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Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
But you know, seriously, it's been great to have you here. Yep,
thank you for coming. As you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
As you can see. Guys, it's just unorganized chaos. All right,
we're out thanks to producer Jake. We're back next week.
We'll recap TCU saying. Now he's saying he wants to
go Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
We're not going to go before the basketball game. We're
going to go Monday. Hang on a second, we're not going.
Time out, time out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Let me just see something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Let me see what I got Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Okay, I can do it. All right, we're out. He'll
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Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I see, I don't have to I don't have to
see my accountant. Tony's gonna advise me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Now we're out. Sleep