3 Guys Before The Game - Utah Game Recap (Episode 662) - 3 Guys Before The Game

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
And away we go. Welcome in everyone. It's three guys
before the game. This is episode number six hundred and
sixty two. This is our recap game recap of West
Virginia against the utah Utes. All present and assembled. Long

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Pushcar Stadium, forty eight to fourteen Utah. The Utes come

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into Morgantown and play one of the most efficient offensive
games that perhaps that stadium has ever seen. Consider this.
They had the football eight times, they scored on seven.
That's a good number for them, seven out of eight

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and scores.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Probably would have scored the eighth time if they hadn't
turn the ball over right, Yeah, could have been a
possibility there.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
West Virginia. On the other side, they had ten drives
and scored twice, so two out of ten and those
touchdowns coming in the second half. All right, let's open
it up. What do we got, fellas takeaways?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Obvious observations Tony number one fans expected and I think,
like the throwback uniforms, I'm not sure they expected a
performance to take the program back sixty years. Like the uniforms,
you were not competitive in this game. You lost. There's
a lot to break down. Bottom line observation. You were

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not competitive basically at any point in this game. I
know we'll talk about the second half, but you have
to adjust for what U saw was doing during that time,
so you're not competitive. Props to the fans who sat
through that, sat through bad weather, especially those who stayed
till the end. That was a hard game to watch, Tony.
I was in the comfortable confines of my home, had

(03:12):
the TV audio turned out, listened to you. It was
hard to listen to and hard to watch. That was
a painful experience. I'm sure it was painful for you
and the broadcast crew. Third coach Whittingham said after the
Texas Tech loss that they he was surprised they got
dominated at the line of scrimmage, and of course they
turned the ball over a bunch, Brad. Did Utah improve

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on that this week? They were very, very good and impressive. Yeah, Tony,
you said the game. You said in the broadcast the
game was over the half. I think the game was
essentially over after the first two possessions of Utah in
West Virginia. Utah went out did what they wanted to do,
long drives fourteen to nothing. You know that West Virginia
is very limited offensively. I thought the game was essentially

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over at that point. You would come to believe that
the defense would give you was shot in the game
in games. This was one of the worst defensive performances
of the season. I know Brad will have stats on misstackles.
It seemed like there were a ton You have stats
on miss tackles. I do, okay, he'll get to that.
Cam Vaughan, I know he only had three catches. If

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you're looking for a bright spot, you have a guy
who can go up and get the ball. We haven't
had that in a while. He shows again he's a
guy that can go get the ball and make a play.
I know that's just a little ray of sunshine and
an overcast day, but you just like the way that
Cam Vaughn plays. Now, you have a bad situation, a
short week on the road, long road trip. They probably

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won't leave on Wednesday to get there for Friday. But
a long road trip against a good opponent in a
tough environment. It is an optimal situation for YU, a
terrible situation for West Virginia. Khalil Wilkins, I know we'll
talk about him. He shows you something, although Utah probably
backed off by then. Here's my question to Brad before

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we get to his his stats, Brad, do you start
him next week?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's a great question.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's a really tough environment to throw such a young,
inexperienced guy in there. He did show you a little bit,
and again some of that's opponent adjusted. I get it
because the defense changes, they put some backups in. But
I thought he showed you some stuff. That's a tough environment.
I mean that might have to be Henderson there again,
because of he's at least played some more games. You
mentioned going into BYU, there is no treat so that's

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a tough spot to put.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
A young guy in.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You might you might ruin a guy to put him
in in that invite.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I do think, as you saw yesterday, you're going to
see multiple guys play, So I mean somebody's going to start,
probably Henderson, I would think, and then you mix the
other guys in just see who can give you a spark.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Tony Jed said at the half, the players were reminded
in the locker room that their performance would be on film,
which is sort of the typical football threat. But also
you're down to that you're down to that by challenging
these players to say, who wants to be here, who
wants playing Tom, who wants to get paid? That's where

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you are now. You're really down to. Unless something changes dramatically,
you're really down to just figuring out in that lineup
of people who wants to be here, who wants to play,
who shows you something, who expects to be around next year,
or who's positioning themselves to be someplace else next year.

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That's where you are right now. Not a good situation.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's a new world to slippery slope. With that being said,
right I think one of the issues obviously is when
you put all of these new faces together, many of
them on a short term, one year situation here, you've
got no idea which way this thing is going to
go at this point. I mean, perhaps if they still
have professional aspirations, they continue to give it their very

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very best. Probably somewhere in the middle, some guys will
continue to go trying to make their name because the
eye in the sky never lies. And then for others
they may shoulder shrug and say, hey, this thing is
gonna work.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Out Tony Brand. Now we're talking about before in our
meeting before the broadcast. Is that like you guys at
a meeting, Well, we were just chit chatting and actually,
but a guy like Cam Vaughn, I mean, boy, you'd
love to have Cam Vaughan back.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Next year's coming back.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
He's here, Okay, cam Va on your phone is probably ringing.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
So, I mean that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's that's what you're looking at now, is your guys
that are showing to be bright spots. Now you've got
to work on retaining them with with dollars and playing
and the whole other thing. Cam Vaughan's a dude, guys.
I mean he's now done it against Pitton, against Utah
too legitimate defenses there. He just goes up and makes plays.
You're just having trouble getting in the ball to him
and as enough as you need to.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
But he's a dude.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But yeah, Hoppy, that's that's your that's your next phase.
And I thought this guy's was what this game played
out exactly. It illustrated exactly where these two programs are
in their timeline of evolution.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Utah is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, And we.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Mentioned coming into this your hope that the environment and
the long trip and maybe damp here being dinged would
would give you a chance to hang around. None of
that was even remotely close. Hoppy to your point. If
you look at win probability yesterday, by the thirty second
play of this game combined by the two teams thirty
second play, West Virginia was as high as it was

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going to be at thirty percent win probability and it
never touched that point. Again, I mean, this was over early.
But that's a Utah team that's really good. A lot
of people would pick them to win this league. You've
got a West Virginia team that, as we know, is rebuilding,
and so I thought that played out on the field
that was West Virginia was this non competitive yesterday with Utah,
And defensively I think was more disappointing. You know, the
challenges presented by the offense at defense was just bad, guys.

(08:32):
It just was bad. That surprised me. I thought this
was a pretty good defense that would be able to
hang in there for a while against Utah, and they
just didn't it all. We'll get to some of the numbers,
but you don't really need the numbers on this one.
That was just a really rough performance and I think
now if you're West Virginia fan, you're trying to watch this.
There's two parts to this. There's a lot of season left,
and that gets frustrating when you're getting drilled like that.

(08:53):
So you're still trying to win games for those guys,
and you're still trying to watch as a fan hoping
there's wins, and then you're also just trying to find
those spots. Are those guys that you can say, all right,
they showed a little something and I think there were
a few of those. There were, there were some some
minor bright spots to push forward, but overall that that
was just a tough watch.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Guys know that was a tough watch.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah. Particularly disheartening was as you said, defensively, I mean
Utah from its opening drive that was dissection. Yeah, that
was absolute dissection, wide open receivers. And then we'll get
into the the miss tackles. They just were completely off.
No pass rush.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I mean, we know that line is very good, but
Westring's pass rush has been good and it just was
non existent and and Westervigi did what it wanted to
do there. It forced dam Pierre into throwing the football man.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
He just lit you up, he would he had. He
had a really good game. And Steve Dunlapp always talks
about this former defensive coordinator, is that when a quarterback
hits an open receiver. And Dunlap, who coached defensive back,
said okay, but.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
He was back.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
He had a ton of time. And Dan Pierre many
times Tony had a ton of time. So yeah, guys
were open and you can't guard guys for six seven seconds.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
We say this and you talk about it, and defensive
coordinators preach at basketball coaches preach it. You've got to
make the offense uncomfortable. In Utah's offense collectively, Dan Pierre
in particular, and just never uncomfortable, just did whatever they wanted.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yesterday, you were concerned because their offensive line had not
played well against Texas Tech. This is I said back
on Thursday show that they were hearing it and hearing
it and hearing it. So what were they gonna do? Yeah,
they're going to come on and go, go and show.
But you're right, I mean their line and the pass
pro that he had it was like at times it
was like seven on seven. Yes, he stood there, set

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his feet and let her roll perfect. So his number
is crazy, twenty five to thirty for two ninety five
touchdown passes. I should say four touchdown passes. He was
twenty one collectively with twenty five third he was twenty
one to twenty six two thirty seven, four touchdowns, a
pick eighty one percent completion rating, quarterback rating of two hundred.
Yeah he had to day.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, a day, case closed.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I mean again, I'll give you some numbers here in
just a second. You don't need them. You don't need
the numbership in this game. It was just Yeah, it
was just it was rough all the way around.

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the BYU game on Friday night, you talked about how

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one thing you didn't say about the travel West Virginia.
I'm just hoping and praying that don't know, but the
Mountaineer football team is filled with insomniacs because bodyclockwise, that
bad boy is a ten thirty kickoff, which is eight
thirty there in Provo, so it'll be a ten thirty kickoffs.
So it's just thirty eastern, ten thirty eastern, eight thirty

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in the mountains. And first time ever I was there
during basketball season, Well you were there during investment. We
snuck in.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
I went to that game as well.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, we snuck in there, and we looked in there,
and then they were doing that construction over there. We
looked up there.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
We went like, beautiful setting, beautiful setting, tough environment.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, you can tell it was empty during basketball season.
We looked up there and went, Yep, this won't be good.
This won't be this one is not gonna be easy
to come in here.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
They're tough to beat when you roll in with good
experienced teams, so this will be is a real challenge.
We said that, guys, this is that there's no there's
no easy games on this schedule except for Robert Morris,
all do respect. This was a particularly tough stretch on
the road at Kansas after a big pit win, then
Utah rolling in. You tie ended up coming in after
a loss or a particularly focused team. Then you have

(13:21):
to go on the road to b Yu in a
short week. This doesn't get a whole lot easier from here.
In fact, I was looking at a number today on
strength of schedule remaining as difficult as this stretches, and
as it's been pro football focus has West Virginia's the
nineteenth most difficult schedule remaining. So not a lot of
light at the end of the tunnel there in terms
of schedule strength.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well that works out.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
How about the how about Cincinnati? Yeah, they went into Kansas,
had four touchdowns called back and won the game and
won the game.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's crazy. And Kansas had four touchdown passes?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh did they Yeah? Jalen Daniel, Yeah he was hid.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah he was hi at fourteen.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah he was hot again. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I stayed well, not relevant to us, but I stayed
up and watched the end of that Oregon Penn State game.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Out was something good ball, entertaining and exciting. What are
you saying as far as the big it is? It's
oh yeah, look you watch it. It's different level. Yes,
it is different level. You watch it. Different dudes players,
different dudes right now, different dudes. Big twelve wise, I
think the team we saw yesterday here Utah Texas Tech

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in Iowa State. It's going to be Texas Tech and
then it'll be either Utah or Iowa State. Those will
be your two teams in the champions.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Don't know that.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Arizona State, they're starting to play a little bit now.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
TCU.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I thought I thought that was a that was an
important game for TCU. They end up getting beat they
had the lead in that game, got beat from behind
because their schedule seems to be favorable down the stretch there,
but lost hurt them.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
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It's time to go to to good. Computer's not working, right,
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
Computer's not worth sometimes you have off days? Yeah, not
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Speaker 1 (15:19):
Do you have it?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, Yeah, that's all right, that's all right.

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Speaker 2 (16:18):
All right, let's look back at a couple things we
talked about in the preview and how did they shake
out when the game was actually played. We mentioned Utah
had been really efficient tenth nationally and offensive success rate
coming in against a West virgin defense. It had been
really good hobby eleventh against opponent a success rate, So
how would that match up playoff play out? You saw
how it did. Utah was successful on fifty percent of

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its plays. Put it in the eighty six percent time.
They got a successful play fifty percent of the time.
So that's like four yards on first down, seventy percent
of your yards on set by second down, and then
a first down on third or fourth. So they did
what they wanted to do against a defense again in
West Virginia that had been good in that category. We said,
Utah wants to run it behind their big offensive line.

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This was this was surprising to me, guys. Their raw
stats were really good, ran it for nearly two hundred
and fifty yards, almost five yards per carry, but they
ended with a negative EPA rush for the game on
rush attempts, so the EPA expected points at it. It's
the change in the team's probability of scoring on each
particular play. So it wasn't the running game plays that

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necessarily set up their scoring. It was what what we
talk about. So Utah, as we just mentioned, did whatever
it wanted throwing the football. It's EPA per pass in
the ninety eighth percentile coming out of that game nearly
ten yards per drop back, which was unbelievable, dampier seventeen
of nineteen for one to ninety five, and three touchdowns

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on passes from zero to twenty yards, so h up.
In that middle section of yards. West Virginia created a
ha it play from defensive backs on just one point
seven percent of the play so that's a pick or
a b added ball. Just could not get anything going
defensively against that pass game. That coverage grade from PFF

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for WVU in this game was the fourth worst in
the last eleven seasons, excuse me, fourth worst in the
last eleven seasons on coverage grade. So again, I mean
you saw it, you watched that happen. We talked a
lot about third down instaid coming in. Utah was third
in the country an average third down distance to go
just four and a half yards. West Virginia had been

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pretty good keeping teams to almost third and eight on average,
so we thought that might be a key factor in
that game. If West Virginia any chance to stay close,
had to put Utah in third and lungs. Utah's average
third down distance to go yesterday five point one yards,
so almost right on average. That led Utah to converting
sixty two percent of its third downs. You heard Rich

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mention that pretty early in his press conference, just said
we could not get off the field when we needed to.
Was that was one of the reasons. Some more numbers
defensively for West Virginia. You guys have asked twice now
about the tackling information. Yeah, it's the worst tackling grade
for a West Virginia team since that Missouri team in
September seventh of twenty nineteen, opening game of that season.

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So the worst tackling grade in the last five.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Secs over there in Columbia?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
What that one was?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Here?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I was there? I think, right, yeah, there, right, I
was there?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
What was the tackling grade?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It was in the thirty nine percent. Thirty nine grade,
so worse than five years.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So let's let's talk about that for a hair here.
Why do you think that happened?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I don't know. Do you have a theory? You look
like you have a theory.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I just think Utah prides itself on being big and physical,
and when it comes to the point of contact, they're
basically saying, I'm not going down here first hit.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah they are, But at some point too, they were
just misses, like they were sticking their foot in the
ground and moving and West Virginia guys were just missing
or running by the play. I didn't know that they
were very sound either.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Or or are so?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Are so?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Also? Does yards have to contact? How many times did
dwy say on the broadcast? Got to wrap up guys?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I mean just.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yards after contact was huge. West Virginia's didn't wrap up,
couldn't didn't tackle? Well, it was that was the most surprise.
I think that was that was the most surprising part
of their game. Wasn't surprising that the offense couldn't do much.
We knew that. That was really surprising, Tony, that the
defense just got manhandled like that for the entire game.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I don't disagree in one bit it was. It was
the biggest surprise for me of the whole game. Offensively,
you knew of the struggles that you've been having, so
that was not anything new. Defensively, this group had given
you a feel that they could lock up and defend,
and I don't know why that happened.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, well, I'll give you some numbers. I thought, if
you look at what the stats earning and THEASIL change
and mature a little bit yards after contact was it
was three yards per attempt after contact, one hundred and
thirty six of the two hundred and forty yards after contact,
so significant number. But here's the number nineteen missed tackles
forced nineteen So you just weren't making the tackles there.

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That was a I'm with you, Tony, that offense you
expected to struggle a little bit, add the injuries on
top of your still trying to figure out what you
are offensively, But that defensive performance was just that was
a wow to me. Thirty first downs for Utah, that's
all you get, thirty first downs here on dominate the game.
Oh yeah, here's the number. Of all those numbers, here's
the one that jumped out the most, and I think

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it speaks to the domination that Utah had offensively against
West Virginia's defense. Utah gained eighty six percent of the
available yards it had during the game. So based on
where every drive started in the field that was left
they got, they chewed up eighty six percent of those
available yards. Okay, I tried to do some quick numbers today.

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I haven't got all the way back, but to give
you some point of reference, So eighty six percent of
the available yards this season in Ohio, you gained fifty
one percent of available yards, pit forty nine percent, forty
four percent, KU just fifty one percent of available yards.
I'll give you some more. Last season, Penn State handled

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West Virginia pretty easily. Gained fifty six percent of the
available yards. Kansas State last year, a team that dominated
West Virginia gained just sixty percent of available yards. You've
got to go back to Texas Tech last year and
you still didn't get to this number. Texas Tech in
that last game last year were horrific.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Horrific.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Gained seventy nine percent of the available yards. So I
went back and spot checked some games over the last
seven or eight years. I could not find one where
it was eighty six percent of available yards. So it
was just as we've said, guys, I know you don't
need that number to back that up. That was a
wow performance from that Utah offense. In conversely, West Virginia's defense.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Which begs the question, now, what so these guys have
been scarred? Right? When these guys go back in here
and they watch that tape today and they put this
game down, this is a scar, the question becomes at
what level now do they go Do they accept the scar,
shrug the shoulders and go we're not good or do

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they say that as a one off and we will
redeem ourselves. That's the question.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, and that's got to be the hope, right and again,
if if you want to try and have some hope
in this, it's that Utah's offensive line is as good
as advertised and that you get some some matchups that
are a little more favorable moving forward. But yeah, if
they decide not to play, it's gonna be a long season.
If they decide to bulk up, hulk up here and go.
But man, that was a that was a rough one.
If we do want to look at some things, pull

(23:43):
some some bright lights out there, Kertszival, if you want
to and try and look down the road. I thought
a couple performances are worth mentioning here. Western You did
have eleven big plays in that game, So classified his
passes of fifteen yards or more, runs of ten or
more Khalil Watt Wilkins, excuse me, it was involved in
four of those two passes two runs. I thought he
showed you a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Now again, you're getting some different guys in there. Defensively,
I understand that. But when Wilkins was in I thought,
overall had a pretty good performance. Left a couple passes
short that you would have liked to have back, but okay,
that comes with experience. Thought he showed you a little
bit in that game. Door Hubbard filled in nicely sixty
one yards rushing for him in a first career start.
He had that twenty nine yard run, so gave you

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a little life in the run game Gerrod Bowie. It
was nice to see him rip off that sixty eight
yard run, the longest of the game. And then I thought,
maybe more encouraging was the play of Malik Agbo in particular.
He played a lot the transfer from Texas, and that's
a guy we've talked about and the question always was
he hadn't been playing much yet. Is that because he
just wasn't ready to get in there and Jack Picknell

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and Rich weren't ready to put him in in that position,
or is it because he wasn't going to be good
enough to make it? Thought he showed yesterday a little
bright spot there that hopefully that's the first the former
of that that he just wasn't quite ready the lead
block out in front. When Bouie took off for that
big run, guy had no chance to utah defender to
get around him. Fifth best offensive grade yesterday for Agbo

(25:08):
with a lot of snaps out of that tackle position.
So I thought, again, that's one of the keys to
me moving forward with this program is we've seen Rich
do this before. We've seen it look really bad in
year one, and we've seen the real lows in the
year one. And then steadily that thing started to turn
around and you got to the point where you're playing
for a natty within five or six years of that.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
But moving forward next year.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
This offensive line has to find itself a little bit.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It can't be a situation where Rich has to go
out and buy twelve new offensive linemen last year. You've
got to find some guys that you can start with
a nucleus for next year. Can Agbo be one of
those guys? Will Livingston be a guy? Will Cray be
a guy? There's got to be some of these younger
guys that are playing now that maybe aren't getting to
the level you wanted to, but that you look up
next year and we sit here and go, okay, you

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got three returning starters or four returning guys that played
a lot. Then when you have to go out by guys,
it's not a wholesale entire room. It's pieces you can
plug in. So it's a lot of words to just
say I thought Agbo performed well yesterday when he was
in as one of those linemen.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, your point is well taken. You would love to
have some foundational pieces of your offensive line by the
time the season's over. You can say, Okay, we can
win down the road with these guys, so you don't
have to go by twelve. But just to show you
how crazy this business is, Oregon who had the massive
win against Penn State, they brought in four of their

(26:35):
five starting offensive linemen in the off season. Four. They
only had one returning starter on their offensive line, and
that group hum. But I'm just thinking out a lot.
They probably have two to three million dollars in their
offensive line. Those guys are probably making five to six hundy.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, I also think again, if you're looking for keys
to set you up next year, the eighty guys you
brought in, that's spreading your money thin because you had
to get volume as well. So if you're an organ,
he didn't bring in eighty guys so you could you
could niche down your dollars a little more. Plus, yeah,
you spent more because you were in that era of
free spending. Next season, what's that number that Rich needs

(27:11):
to bring in. If it's the closer it gets to eighty,
the more challenges you're probably gonna have because you're spreading
your money too thin. Can you get that to a
point where it's forty six New guys next year, forty
guys next year where you have some some nucleus, not
just on the line.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Are you talking about forty guys that make additional money
beyond revshare dollars?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, I was just talking in terms of roster turnover.
If you've got to go get that many players and
you're taking your rev share money, it's just right common math.
And you break that down over eighty players versus forty
new ones, that's that's going to be a problem. I
know you've got to retain, You're gonna pay some money
to retain guys. But if you got to go get
eighty guys again, that's that's what makes it tough.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
And who who gets retained? This quarterback room is fascinating,
and the quarterback gets the credit and the blame, and
but there's so many other things that go into You
can't just look at the quarterback, right. I Mean, we
talked a lot about the offensive line, but you got
now five guys who've played, who gets retained. You're not
gonna have those same five guys aren't going to be

(28:10):
there next year. So who emerges over this season as
the guy that you want to ensure is back or
are you still looking.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
No, I'll let you know. I'll let you know seven
games from that, right, I mean, that's what this is.
This is dress rehearsal. This is audition on the job
right now. No, obviously some of these guys, you know Henderson, right,
the clock is wound. But those other guys, Yeah, I mean,
this is the world that you're in. This this remaining
games of the season are going to be determining who

(28:41):
they try to retain. That's what they're going to try
to figure out. They'll know that number, then they'll know
what they have to go get.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Well, you're you look again, You're you're kind of desperate
for bright spots. And with Wilkins yesterday, you're watching some
of it and and they on TV they showed Pat
White on the sideline, and you don't want to get
too carried away with that, but you're hoping for at
some point bred a guy because you know what Rich
is looking for, right, You're looking for a guy who's
exceptional in the run, who's a constant threat, who can

(29:10):
break things and also be adequate in the past game.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
H Yeah. A lot of people forget that. Patrick also
had one of the highest completion percentages at school history.
They put them in great positions to throw the ball
right and a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I had guys that could catch the ball too correct.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Absolutely. You know, this made me go back and look
at Rich's first season here in two thousand and one
when they went three and eight, and if you want
to do any kind of similarity, so West Virginia was
two and one after Rich's first three games here, end
of the season at three and eight. Yesterday's game, if
you're trying to find like commonality, that might have been

(29:50):
the Virginia Tech game of Rich's first year. On the
sixth of October, Virginia Tech came in, took the women
and the children and walked out of the bill with
a thirty five to nothing win. And that was but
you know what what that team did though, what that
team did though after that game. The following week, they
go at Notre Dame and lose thirty four to twenty four.

(30:14):
But they played, they go to Miami. Miami was number
one in the country. Remember that game was that Derek
Carter was the quarterback for West Virginia. Yeah, you remember
that Dame had to start him and they got beat
forty five to three. I think that was that game.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Forty five to three.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'm looking at it now, forty five Derek Jones, my
bad Derreck Jones.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Derek Jones was the quarterback. And then they get beat
forty five three. Then they come home beat Rutgers. Here's
the problem, we don't have Rutgers on the schedule. Beat
them eighty to seven. That was that was your third
and last win. And then they played competitively, competitively in
the final three games of that year at Syracuse, they
get beat twenty four to thirteen, got beat at home

(30:57):
by Temple seventeen fourteen, got beat by Pitt twenty three seventeen.
But you saw what you was doing toward the end
of that year. You were tightening the margin. What's this
game gonna do? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
In fair And you're right because of Syracuse. But Rutgers
like Rutgers. Now. I think they got beat yesterday too.
But I mean that was the bad Rutgers era. Okay, Fair,
Are they in the good Rutgers era?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Now?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I think they're better. They are there, And you know,
Temple is Temple. That was a bad pit era, right,
So I just don't see, you know, Tony, looking at
the schedule I know what you're saying. This schedule does
not look promising to me. Where you look at these games,
go you know what you'll get these guys. I mean,
who is out there where you say, boy, you got

(31:47):
a great chance to get healthy against this team.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, man, those days are over when you have, let's
face it, years gone by, you would look at the
schedule before the season started and you could put four
wins on there before you even put the ball into
the air. Go that's four, and then you go, okay,
how many more can you go get that day? Except
for Ohio, you and Robert Morris, which did not happen
too and oh it went one and one. Except for
those two this year, there weren't any where you was

(32:11):
a guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
W the way this season is going, the way it's going.
At the end of the season, for loyal Mountaineer fans,
the caveat will be at least they beat Pitt. That's
what you're going to be able to hang your head.
At least at least they beat Pitt at this moment,
at this moment, that's the only one that's in the bank,
and meaning that was a meaningful win. So at least

(32:32):
they beat Pitt and then go from there.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think your point's well taken there though of how
that first year under rich team started to close the gapple.
But that that's what you're watching here. Can this can
this team improvers are going to lay down? I mean
that's that's the basic question that's in there is who
wants to stand up and try and try and play here?
And if you can can is the defense again? Is
that a one offer?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Is that a real problem moving forward? So that that's
what you're looking for here. But you're right, guys at
b yu U c F totally rebuilt too, right, Scott
Frost has come in there, but that's on the road.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
That makes that tough.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
TCU coming in get him at home. But man, after
what Dan Pierre just did through the air, you got
Josh Hoover coming in, you can really throw it. Yeah,
that's a Houston team. I said this before when they
hired Willie Fritz, that's a shame. That's a shame for
everybody else. He's a really good coach and in year
two is when he starts to roll. If you've watched
that Houston team, they're much improved. They got they were
behind at Oregon State came back and won that game.

(33:25):
You've got to go to Houston. That was one that
was probably gonna have a closer line than most of
these others. That's a tough game too. At Houston, Colorado
at home, they're scuffling along a little bit. Maybe by
then can they be in some trouble. Then you've got
to go out to Arizona State, who's got some real playmakers,
and then of course you get Texas Tech at home
to finish.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
There's opportunities this thing. I don't know what it's going
to be. There are opportunities, as he just magined, there
are opportunities. Not every game is going to be against
the likes of Utah remaining. You've got opportunities. You got
to I mean, you're either going to go You're either
gonna get better or you're gonna get worse. I don't

(34:03):
think you're gonna stay the absolute same right now.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Well, I was gonna say, Okay, that's a positive spin,
and I understand opportunities, but you this team has to
play differently to take advantage of opportunities. Absolutely, if you
play the way you play it Saturday, you're.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Not gonna win again. Yes, You're not gonna win again
if you continue to play like that, no question. Yeah,
but you're allowed to get better. I heard a guy
say that once.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
That is what I want to see. Like take the
offense for a second, Like, does Wilkins emerge? Does he
emerge as a playmaking guy? How about Hubbard? We mentioned
he played well yesterday. Does that become a viable threat?
If it does, that's pretty remarkable. Guys, what you're running
back room has done. If he's able to show and
have a DC year, when's when's Ty Edwards back?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I would think next week? Right?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Can Ty Edwards get back? And now you found deal
or Hubbard maybe a little bit too, And you're like okay,
And then to me, it's just that line, guys, it's
that line. And what's Agbo able to do to mix
in there? You saw Carson Lee get a lot of
run yesterday because of the Livingston injury, has long got
a lot of run yesterday. So you saw some other
guys in there that didn't do badly. As is that
group just gonna get better? You would hope, you would
hope that continues to get better. Get this offense so

(35:10):
that it can do something and remove some pressure from
the defense.

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Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Kind of bit. We're kind of busy. We got events
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of the things that we're doing is coming up on
the seventh of October. We're having a fundraiser with the
United Way, both Clear Mountain Bank and Hope Gas putting
together a night with the mountaineers and mountaineer coaches and

(37:48):
Mountaineer student athletes. Ross Hodge, Mark Kellogg, Jangreeney, Steve Sabing.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Wait, Greenie's a character, isn't she.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
She's the best she gets.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
She got into it the other night.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
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Speaker 4 (38:16):
There's sixteen tickets left.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Sixteen tickets right now. That's October seventh at Touchdown Terrace
at the stadium. Well, there it is. You can take
a look at all the folks that are going to
be there. We'll also have live and silent auctions, WV
sports experiences, and Memories will be hosting it. It's going
to be a lot of fun moving mountains with the mountaineers,
Clear Mountain Bank, Hope Gas and all the money goes

(38:40):
to the United Way of Montegalia and Preston Counties. Also,
I don't know if you guys know this, but we
like to contribute and we like to donate as well.
We do so this was the Buckwheat Festival weekend in
Preston County, one of the all time great festivals and

(39:00):
events in the state of West Virginia. And we last
night we were recording. Sunday, we took part in the
Youth Live Stock Sale of the Preston County Auction Braden,
if you could start to show some of those gingers.

(39:20):
To start off with this picture, this is Austin Tenant.
Austin Tennant was the young man who raised this pig.
We came in at tag number four to four, four
to four and we went to the Youth Livestock Sale
and we purchased a pig hog, a pig hog. That

(39:44):
hog that was raised and Austin did a great job
in raising him. And then there was a live auction.
Can we run the auction video? Please we run the
auction video. Get that up there? Can we get that
on the there's our pig guys, So yeah, there's Austin

(40:09):
with the pick up front. Watched the guy second to
last back row blue shirt. He was our desigknee. He
was holding the three guards before the game, placard. It's thout.
We just we just bid hand up, our hands out.
We bid a thousand. You can tell the rest of
the people in the crowd wanted nothing to do with

(40:29):
it once they knew that we were involved. They were
scared that there would be retribution if they bid. Look,
so we're sitting there at the thousand. Nobody wants any
more of that action. And there it is. What listen,
three guys before the game, Dave Tom.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
That's right, baby, sold to three guys before the game.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
We bought a hogful. We bought a you know.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
The bad news is that the bid before that was
two hundred dollars. But we just we went right to
a thousand.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
We just a thousand. We want the dog gone hog.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
So Austin Tenant who raised raised the hawk.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
So thanks to him raising it, and we're going to
donate that back to the United Way of Montingalia and
Preston County.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So it's the pig, right because he gets a thousand, right, Yeah,
Austin gets a thousand.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And we're going to donate the meat to folks that
couldn't need it use it. All right, good job. So
we're in the pig business. Got coffee, pigs, popcorn beer.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
The auctioneer was you're an auctioneer.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
So that was a real auctioneer. I liked his little
I like, what are you gonna get you? Now? Want
to get you twenty five? I love that stuff. Might
be doing it soon, I mean permanently. All right, here
we go, uh texter. I love these uniforms. They need

(41:55):
to be more worn more than once a year. Well
that opens up a whole can of worms. Back in
nineteen ninety six, West Virginia were blue pants at Maryland
in a rainstorm and it was it was at that
time that was a massive change of uniform and those
bad boys were never seen again.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Well they did look good yesterday. They did there.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
They are good and there was a lot of merch
in the stands walking around there, like blue towels before
the thing wave. And it was that was a really
I know the game didn't come out like you wanted to.
That's about as a plus as you can get in
execution of throwback uniforms, coupled with merchandise around it, coupled
with the ancillary stuff around the game, that was a
tremendous job of everything outside.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
The field to play yesterday.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I liked the uniforms a lot. There's one caveat I'll
get to that, but the fact that our colors are
gold and blue. But really that gold is a yellow
if you look at the what's it called, the number,
the PMS, the PMS number is really more of a yellow.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
As bad as is the gold we wear called athletic gold.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I don't remember the official name of it.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
The true colors old gold, which was represented on those uniforms. Gestures.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
So I really like to look and it's just fun
to have retro uniforms and throw back that's very popular today.
I'm obsessed by this light blue, as you know. And
you call it Star City blue because that was the
color of the bridge, which is no longer there.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
But it's either he didn't call it that, I mean,
that's what it's in. The branding guy at the.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
University they call it. I mean he didn't name that.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
He said it one.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It's in the branding guy called star City Blue. Yeah,
Tony didn't just throw that out. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I know why you would assume that he would just
throw something out like that. I understand where you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
So I'm going for the actual name, and I'm looking.
It could be Crayola's sky Blue of the Crayon. It
could be pale Cyan, it could be diamond. I'm just
looking at what the blue is actually called, because in
color patterns they don't call it Star City Bridge. I mean,

(43:55):
it has another name. So I was looking for what
it's called. Why are you are balling me? I'm just
looking for what it actually is.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I was gonna say, when you find out, call me.
I want to know what number it is.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
PMS color twenty nine to fifteen C. I know you
you have a former artist in your house, which is
probably why you're digging so much. Pantone twenty nine to
fifteen C twenty.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
On fifteen S would be the color. Okay, let me.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Chick on the Pantone blue of the throwback referred to
in the University brand guide as Star City Blue. So
I don't know what any of the names you were naming
there but twenty nine to fifteen fifteen pms color Thank you? Okay,
you guys, go ahead. I'll try to fund out.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Really, can we go ahead? You do know we are recording?
Oh when do we start? Guys? Is there a mid
season transfer portal? We need help everywhere? Utah have grown
men playing and we look like a high school team.
I'm not sure which can dig us out of this
hole recruiting help. Hey, three guys, doctor Ed here. These
are not Division IE level athletes and would likely not

(44:51):
make it at D two against the Montanas and North
Dakota States. I'm going to be in provo Friday. Will
that game be decided in the first half two? This
feels like my four years as an undergrad worst four
consecutive seasons in West Virginia history seventy six, seventy seven,
seventy eight, seventy nine, except instead of Joe Pah roaming
the sidelines with the Nitney Lyons and viscerated Signetti's teams,

(45:15):
we have this comedy of airs. Well, doctor d you
might be the problem you ever given into that. I mean,
I'm just trying to love you, doctor Ed. Texter, if
this year goes the way it appears. Two part question
over under fifty new players next season? You want to
hit that?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Well, that's what I was saying earlier that I think
that is the key to next season is how how
many of these guys can you can you retain and
feel like you can move forward with?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Is there? If there is over fifty, do we expect
a year zero next year as well? Or do we
hope West Virginia can hang on to some key players? Yeah,
we talked about that. That's the key Texter. Did we
switch to an FCS program in the offseason? Disappointment, frustration, embarrassment,
call it what you want. This is not watchable. Question
now is how many of these new players can a

(46:05):
program bring in and expect success? Since it's obvious there
is little talent on either side. I'm already looking forward
to basketball season and I hope it turns out better
than this blank show. PS. I'm suppressing a Guinness Book
of World Record expletives right now and would have to
assign myself to an hour in the sad chair. If
I do so, it might be worth it.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Pantone does not always assign a specific name to all
its colors. The PMS twenty nine to fifteen C is
generally referred to as Bright Sky Blue or pantone twenty
nine to fifteen C Curtin Crystal Lake.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
In game text two, part of Brad said several times
after rich is hiring that the portal means it doesn't
necessarily take several years to build a competitive roster. What
went wrong for West Virginia this year? Bad talent evaluation,
lack of funds to attract power for talent. Secondly, who
lost WVU football fourteen years ago? We were an attractive

(47:04):
and competitive enough program for the Big twelve to say yes.
Since then, we've gradually descended into mediocrity, well formerly mediocrety
mediocre programs like Iowa State and Kansas who possess no
natural advantages have arisen to prominence. Thanks. I love what
you guys do.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Look it is wildly We have elaborated here extensively how
disappointing it was to be not competitive in that game
and the long season ahead. But you have to be.
You have to have some patients. You have to have
some patients. You cannot judge rich Rod by this first season.

(47:43):
I mean it is year zero. You have to have
patients in this, don't you, Tony On, I mean you
start I mean is I've said this is a restart.
And you know when you're building a house and they
put the foundation in, you know what, construction site doesn
look real good. Eventually you know what happens. They frame it,
they finish it. You got a nice house. We're digging

(48:04):
a hole.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
We're putting a foundation, and it's not gonna be Pretty's
gonna be a lot of dirt, you know, pulp, porta pot,
he's gonna be over there. You're gonna have some supplies
over there. You're gonna have a little bit of a
trailer over there. It's a mess until you get the
thing established and you start building.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And how fast you do that again, I think comes
back to if you're building that foundation, what's the foundation
look like? Did you get enough concrete in there to
fill the foundation up? And if you didn't, then it's
going to take longer. If you didn't got some foundational
pieces and you can go out and sprinkle and ad
and look for some specific skill or a tackle or two,
not the twelve offensive lineman, then you're off and running
a little more quickly.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, danswer, craid, I don't think this is three and
four years. I truly don't. Rich's the way that Rich
despises losing won't permit him or allow him to let
this go for a long period of time. He knows
what he needs. He's done this long enough, he knows
what he has to go get. Now he has a

(49:01):
full understanding of what he needs to go get, and
they'll go get it. You got complete support from the
university and that will become even more clear in the
weeks and days to come athletically, and they'll go to
market and they'll get it all figured out.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
The other side of the portal is we talk about
we focus on going out and get getting guys.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
You lost guys.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Could you use Trey Lathan? Do you think Trey Lathan
can help you this season?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah? I could use Jeremiah Trotter. Could you use Could
you use Thomas or Remac? Could you lose? You use it? Yeah?
Johnny Williams, there's Johnny Williams. Yeah, you could use a
boatload of those guys. Sure, Texter. Not so fun game
to play? What Utah game was harder to watch? Twenty
seventeen in the heart of Dallas Bowl or last night's game.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I think last night's game, because a bowl game sometimes
is just out there. Yeah in ethereal out there somewhere.
This this to me was more meaningful.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It means more. It Hey, three guys, Corey from Salt Lake.
It hurts to watch. As a lifelong fan. I don't
have as much hair on my fire anymore, but I'm
still trying to hold the rope. Excited to see more
of Khalil Wilkins, hopeful he can get the ball to
cam Vaughnmore West Virginia. Family is coming to visit me

(50:22):
this week and we'll see you all of the people
you game ps b Yu gives ice cream to opposing
fans at the end of the first order. Oh so
we got that going for us. It's a nice gesture.
You lay that bread. Well, come out. Then we were
there for basketball. They gave you that big cougar tail,

(50:43):
big old donut. Remember that thing was about that big.
They brought those out to us. But tell you what
they're they're Offully, they're over there. B Why you're Offully?
Busy pushing pushing glucose? Aren't they pushing? Sure? One way
or the other. Either frozen or solid, They're gonna get
a sugar high. Hey, good morning, three guys. As I
reflect on this year team and the second coming of
Rich In the famous words of Hermann Boone or at

(51:05):
least Denzel Washington, it's like novacine. We want it took
fast times. It doesn't give it time. It always works.
Patiences and expectation management are the same of the email
or the name of the game. My opinion, appreciate all
you do while Bill Rick and Marietta, it's still a
great day to be a Mountaineer, wherever you may be.

(51:25):
Before the season started, I told my eighty one year
old cousin that our beloved Mountaineers would finish the season
three nine or four to eight. By the way, he
loved the uniforms yesterday reminded him of his days when
he would watch games at old Mountaineer Field. They'd show
up early to watch the soccer team play and slowly
slip sip their favorite adult beverage in a bottle to
prepare for the game. The first year in charge a culture,

(51:47):
the first year in changing a culture, is always the hardest.
I look at this, but it builds the foundation for
a successful future. Even with today's portal and nil, we
will see a significant improvement by the end of the year,
which will be build a hard edge future for the Mountaineers.
Time for the tile and all and liquid four as
the kerchievel was flowing freely before during it after the game,

(52:08):
Rick and Marietta.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
By the way, I'm double checking this for Mountaineer fans
will make that trip, and I know not all Mountaineer
fans and buy, but many like to. Alcohol is not
allowed anywhere, know how. Stadium parking lot premises.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
That's correct that. In fact, I was informed yesterday by
one of the visitors from Salt Lake. He informed me
with the late start of the contest. He said, you
have to bring your own caffeine. They do not have
caffeine really as well, you can't.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
We all just go with the ice cream, so you
can't get you You've been known to have a cup
of coffee at some point, like before the game.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, I might bring in a tanker if we have
the thermos, let's just send them out. They got that
Starbucks right there on the edge of campus. We went
to it a couple of times. You just hit that
right on the way in.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Think they'll allow you to carry that in.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh yeah, don't think they. I don't think they'll stop
you from that. I just think they don't want it.
They don't want to sell it. Okay, Texter, always a connection.
I live in North Carolina. I have season tickets, so
I always send my boy to school with West Virginia
gear On. Well, guess what, another kid shows up the
same day in WUVU gear. They will be best friends

(53:17):
for life. Do we have that picture of the two
little sparkys. We're in WUVU gear in the classroom.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
They were to school.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
They just happened to go to a North Carolina school.
They are. They both showed up. I like those little guys.
It's cute as heck. So they're in North Carolina there
and they just showed up just coincidentally with West Virginia
gear On.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
You know it props to them for representing in hostile territory.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Sure, Texter, Hello, three guys. In spite of the rain
drops and REVCV running out of brisket, when I arrived
to your tailgate for the very first time, I still
enjoyed and pulled pork sandwich, loved the lemonade, and of
course the Connection three oh four, I chatted up the
world famous Jenning' starcher and dapped with Brad. It was

(54:13):
all very good atmosphere, in spite of the weather, In
spite of the result. Rev keV run out of brisket.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yes yeah, yesterday, yes yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Well I think he was maybe anticipating that the crowd
would be down because of the weather.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Sold a bunch of pans too, and the pans went out.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, the pans went and soay, I thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Everybody showed up because it was raining almost right from
the very beginning, so we saw a bunch of people
come through, so thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
You know what we had there, Antony, you couldn't come
because you had the Hall of Fame, which would like
to hear about from you. But it was it was just,
you know, few people, I mean not a few, more
than a few people in and out. We had a
nice visit standing under the tents as the rain came down. Enjoyed.
It was fine.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Rob from Benwood, three guys tailgate before the game, Biscuit,
Brisket and Connection three oh four, great stuff. Believe you
had your did you have your picture with this guy?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I had my picture made with him there. Yeah, he
is very nice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
So that guy was loaded up there and you guys,
that's before the rain.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
By the way, I took a texture suggestion from last game,
or maybe it was Thursday. I went biscuit brisket, biscuit
horse rush with egg.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
And put the horse rash on. Oh boy, that was nice.
So thanks.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I can't remember who made that suggestion in the text,
but thank you went right in on it.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
At horse Radish. It's a little stupid good.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Does he make his own.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, I believe he does. I believe yeah, yeah, yeah,
this was pretty wild. You guys weren't there Friday when
I was over at the food court. This is Neamyah
from Saint Albans. He's a freshman at West Virginia. It
was nice to meet you again at the food court Friday.
We had a great conversation. Also, did we find our quarterback?
So take a look at this. I took my picture

(55:50):
with Nea Mayah and he was with two other buddies,
three kids, all of them freshmen at West Virginia from
Saint Albans, And they said, can I get my picture
taken with? You? Said sure, and then I said he
said I had my picture taken with you when I
was eight years old, what at the Charleston Civic Center,
And do we have that picture? Brayden don't have that picture.

(56:19):
So anyway, he showed me a picture of myself and
him and j Jacobs before Mountaineer basketball game down in Charleston.
And what stunned me was that I had a beard.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
What you did?

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, I do not remember it was where it is heck,
because it was a January game and I thought the
only time I'd ever grown a beerd was like November.
Will you do the thing?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
No shave November?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah? Yeah, Now you kept yours from.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
That, just kept I said, I'll just keep it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I don't remember you having a beard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah. Anyway, three guys, Steve and Kim Raleigh, North Carolina,
were into this weekend. Had the fortune and great timing.
Matt bradded Daniels, met Hoppy at the food court, ran
into Coach Wallace at our hotel. We only missed Tony
this time and have yet to meet him. I know
Tony is out amongst the public often, but for us,

(57:15):
he's like trying to find the mothman or sasquatch in
the West Virginia Hills. Hey we have I can't say
enough how much we've enjoyed talking everyone and they have
interest in my journey from Gary, West Virginia to where
I am today. By the way, we dropped off a
bag of North Carolina goodies to Hoppy, So we hope
you guys all enjoy keep up the great work.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yes, bags right there, Steve from the Free State of
macdal County. Yeah, so I did, in fact, Brad bring
that in today.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Mackie's Fairy Peanuts, Chocolate, very Good, Chapel Hill Toffee, Dewey's Bakery,
Pumpkin Spice cookies.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Hey, Braden, see if you can find the picture of
Steve and Kim Smith this stuff. I'm sorry that is so.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I saw them in Daniels.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
On Friday, I believe, or was it Saturday? Wouldn't I
say I saw them in Daniels? Yeah, they were there.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, there's a bunch of pictures of you there. You're
and Daniels there with them.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yeah, Steve was getting his stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
So what's the story on this? Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
People love that?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
What is what is it?

Speaker 4 (58:26):
People? Just pop soda?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:28):
What's it called?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Sheer wine?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Cheer wine?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
People like that.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, thank you very much. And we had had a
great visit with him.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
They were really nice talking to Steve, had his Steve
had nice purchases there from final looking Phil had all
the throwback gear out there.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Steve is loading three guys.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Really, there's no sense for me to seek any healing
after Utah. There's nothing to say that probably hasn't been said.
Still keeping the faith as I conclude my Midwestern swing
the Kansas game last Saturday, brutal in person, but I
was able to belt out country roads with our boy
Charles Wesley Godwin in Kansas City on the following Saturday night.
A fine representative of our state and of the college.

(59:10):
Is a picture there of Charles in concert in Kansas City.
I want to give this shout out to Charles. He
dropped a new album Friday, Live in Pittsburgh, Live in
the Steel City. And by the way, that was the
music there that they played at the food Court on
Friday night. When I was over, they had Charles Frida up.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Did you see they announced the lineup for Stage Coach,
which I think is out in California in April at
the Big Time lineup. Just day after day of concerts
and the days that Charles or the day that Charles
is in He's in there with Landy Wilson and Riley
Green are a couple of the other performers on the
day that he is going on concert.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
That's richest boy from down Jacksonville State. I think he's
a big fan. Yeah, he used to hang out there
with those guys.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
He's kind of blowing up too. Yeah, Charles blown up.
So that's a good set, Lady Wilson, Riley Green, Charles Wesley, Yes,
among others.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
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to Charles's latest album, by all means, you can download
it wherever you get your music. But it's a live
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Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
He said, if my life depended on it, yes, but
that's the biggest biscuit in the world. I ate one,
but he had it there. I don't know if he
took it down during the game. Was at a halftime
snack postgame driving back up to the airport.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
So he went one save the other one for later.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
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he should go. It was like four out of five
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Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Tutors, so he had we really had to go there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
The comment suggestion he went to Kegler's for his dinner
Friday night, So I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Mean he got the full, He got the full, got
the full experience.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
One more food court shout out, you would have liked this.
Came over and said hello, introduced himself. Garrett Ford Jr.
In attendance. I saw him getting some barbecue at REVCVS
and pop it over to say hello. It was great
to see him and catch up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
So I saw him at the Hall of Fame. I
thought the Hall of Fame was fantastic and great class.
Great class. I mean Chelsea Carrier Eads, eight time All
American from Upshire County, now lives in Bridgeport. I mean
her accomplishments are just breathtaking, and she had her four

(01:03:32):
little girls there and just fantastic. Petro Zoo Blossing, three
time National Champion rifle number. She's from Italy, so I
talked to her. She's from up in the northern part
of Italy. I said, are you there now? She said no,
I'm in Paris coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Did you talk to her mom, did you break down
some of your Italian I saw, I guess I was
the first time she'd been in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
First time in the United States, so her her her
story was great. I come from a very small village.
When I left, there were all kinds of tears in
my family. Did I'm just going to a new world
and I come here and I make a whole new
family and it changed my life. And Darryl Whitmore was fantastic.
His speech was fantastic. Maybe what's he doing? Then he's

(01:04:18):
in Indiana. Come to find out he lives one exit
away from Dwight Waller heard that on your program yesterday.
He popped in the booth. But he he was tremendous
what it meant for him to be here. And he
mentioned Garrett Ford Senior. He said, like a father figure
changed my life. Right, So his speech was great. Then
you had Blaine and Karen Stewart speaking on behalf of

(01:04:41):
the late Bill Stewart. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
It was Blaine there, Blaine video video.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
You had Pat McAfee. His was off it you gotta
go find it. She did it on set at game
day at Penn State. Did it that morning and had
the entire Penn State group student body that was there
at game sing Country Roads. It was awesome. That's quite
an only pack.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
He just nails it right. Just went on one of
his rifts and it was excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
And then Bill Kurlavich and he was incredibly grateful to
be going into the Hall of Fame. And I received
three texts Saturday morning before the event of guys that
played for ker Lab, guys that were formed Mountair football
players who said they changed, he changed their life. And
then I run into Chris Parker, Yeah, number ninety four.

(01:05:33):
Both Chris and his brother Scott. Scott was an offensive
lineman and Chris and he Chris told me, and I
didn't know this, his dad died when he was a
junior in high school. He said, car Lab became my father.
And he said everything I do, like all my life
lessons were because of him. And he goes, you know,
this big environment thing, this crowd here, that this is

(01:05:53):
not my thing. So I went to his house yesterday
and he said I hadn't seen him since the mid
nineteen nineties. I start walking up the driveway and Maggie,
Bill's wife was there, and he gets up to Curlab
and Curlab's just looking at him, doesn't recognize immediately, and
he goes. He goes, and Chris is going like you

(01:06:15):
kidding me? Are you kidding me? He said, I spent
like three hours with him. He said, it was just awesome,
just a fantastic class.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I called you to laugh Friday and just said, I
won't keep you. I know you're busy with a lot
of stuff. I just want to congratulate only very appropriate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Hey, thank it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
You know, but he's just he is. I'm not sure
how well he would fit in today's environment. He gets
still good. I mean, but he was such a such
a good coachy. B developed guys. I developed guys, and
see the longevity unbelievable. It was fantastic. I mean, he

(01:06:54):
was such an integral He was such an integral part
of that nel and era of building the West Virginia
football program. And just a great character there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
That's what I was going to say, is the character,
because we all just did every time you say her.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Laugh, what do you do you start laughing? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Right, because of just all the stories and the voice
and the demeanor and the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Just had on backwards and but you know what, this
is why he could still coach today, Because he could
still coach today because his kids respective well, because they
know and they knew that he cared. Yes, yes, did
he have did he have a rough, gruff demeanor? Yes?

(01:07:34):
And was he super loud? Yes? But you know what
man like they responded to that he wasn't He wasn't
he wasn't maliciously negative toward them, just collective like there's
a fine line between being an asshole and being someone

(01:07:54):
that gets attention and demands discipline. And these guys, just
like Gravit, hated to him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Charlie Fedorco texted me and said when his dad got
sick like cur laugh constantly checked in with him. For
Darco said he took him on his recruiting visit at
the Hotel Morgan and he had never had a steak
and he looked at the menu. He said, everything I
saw on the menu I didn't even recognize. And he said, like,
do they have like I forget what charge are? Like

(01:08:22):
hot doggers And he goes, he goes, what are you
talking about? He said, get to kid a fil A
and the lady said, how do you want it? Cooked,
and he said, and he just looked at her lab.
He goes, he wants a medium rare like that's cur
lab to a tea. Right, that's curlab to a tea.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
And I think, yes, he could coach today. He absolutely
could coach day. We need more guys like him that
hold people, that hold people and force people to do
the right thing and change these Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
My point was that the whole thing with players getting
paid and with the transfer portal and all that, I
think he and he and I talked about that a
little bit yesterday. I think he would have struggled with that.
But in terms of the actual X and O and
coaching and and what you do in practice, he loved.
You know what I asked him, I said, what do
you miss it? I missed the practices because I love

(01:09:14):
the practice of the game. I was always too tight.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, but he loved because he loved to coach.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah. Well that's football, man. Football is a training sport.
You only play twelve, right, or you play a few
extra Maybe that's a training spot. You train in ninety
five percent of the time, you play it five percent
of the time. That's why those coaches love practice. But
one thing he said, he said, you know, I give
great respect to late Frank Signetti. He said, he hired
me from his deathbed, hired me from his deathbed, gave

(01:09:42):
a ton of props, gave it to Tricket Rick Trickett,
and God opened the door to get him in here.
To Don Neel, to Rich Rodriguez, Stu, Stu, yes, Stu,
I mean just just he just a piece by piece
by piece by piece. Steve, Steve Dunlapp, he laid all
those guys, I just fantastic. And then last but not least,
it was great. He had his speech was like typed,

(01:10:05):
regular computer printed. That at the bottom of the last
page was like your legal pad. Over there was handwritten
and he said, in this page I stuck in myself,
he said. My daughter helped me print this, he said,
but I wrote this because I knew if my wife
knew it was in here, she wouldn't let me read it.
And it was to his wife, I said, she ran
the ran the whole show. So it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
That was That was tony for you, well, for West
Virginia fans, for those athletes, and for mountaineer nation. That
was a real bright spot and great memories on an
otherwise dreary day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, absolutely, there will be. There will be brighter days.
There will be brighter days. We'll get the thing. It'll
get fixed. It'll get fixed, it will, it will. All right,
we're out so this week because we fly on Thursday,
we need to record on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Okay, be here, Yeah, Wednesday is also National Coffee Day.
Excuse me, National Coffee Day. Really, we may be over
at Mountaineer Roasting, serving little coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Can you think Rusty might give us like a bag
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I don't know if I'll give us anything, but we'll
be over there helping. We might work that day that morning,
So clear your schedule, you and I going over All.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Right, fine, I'll be there. I'll do that. All right,
We'll be back preview West Virginia and be why you
can I come?

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Well if you want. I just assumed you would be
doing other things.

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