October 24, 2022 • 34 mins
Two of the NFL's all-time greats put up all-time stinkers on Sunday--and we were there! @samanthabunten & @tyschalter discussed what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers & Tom Brady, and whether they can fix it. Plus, reaction to the full slate of Sunday games, and running down our picks!
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it down. Um. Let's let'sstart with the big key takeaway, which
is that two of the greatest quarterbacksof all time are playing while you watch
them in our lifetime, and theyare playing bad. Samantha. Are Aaron
Rodgers and Tom Brady both done?I want to say, yes, so
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bad? I really really do.We should probably mention that Shotty will be
back. He unlike Tom Brady andAaron Rodgers. Um, it's just unavailable
today today, he will be back. He's not into client. We're not
like talking like third neck paid Manning. But we might be saying that about
these guys. Yeah, yeah,oh oh man oh man. Um.
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Look, I think it might betwo different problems. I wanted to put
them together because they would hate it, and so I want that for us.
But Tom looks maybe truly, Idon't even want to say it.
Someone's going to comfort me, buthe wants a little washed or whispering shouting
him shouting, whispering Rogers. Thatmight be more symptomatic of what happens when
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you run everyone with any skill outof town with your personality. I'm not
sure. I think Rogers physical talentis completely gone. I mean he's on
the wrong side of the peak fora quarterback. But I don't think Aaron
Rodgers is like Dounezo from like anarmed talent perspective. But Packards, shure
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Are and Tom Man, I don'tknow. I mean that happened quick.
I don't think this is like Tom'shaving a bad mental phase, you know,
likee Tom has felts, or atleast he doesn't have them about football.
So but I don't know. Imean, what do you think,
are we definitely putting him in thewash? Fuck it? Or well?
I wrote last week at five thirtyeight about this with Aaron Rodgers, and
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it's like, look, maybe it'sthe thumb, you know, maybe it's
the thumb that's affecting his deep ballright now because the deep ball is not
there, you know, just justwatching it. It doesn't have the same
zip, doesn't have the same strength. He's not testing it as often,
he's not trying those deep balls asoften, and then when he doesn't that
they don't look good, right,and like that's that's tape that stats.
And then I think you see inthe play calling. I went and looked
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at the you know, the distributionof routes run, right, and the
Packers are calling more screens than anybodyelse in the league, and more quickouts
and quickens then I think almost anyoneelse in the league, and fewer deep
outs and deep ends. They didn'tcall a single out route fifteen yards are
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deeper all year coming into this game, and then only a handful of deep
ends. So a lot of thesedeep crossing routes that you expect, like
that's supposed to be the test ofarm strength, right, is the deep
out, like can you zip twentythirty yard outs? They're not even running
those, let alone throwing those.And then schematically we saw, you know,
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Matt Lafleur continues to you know,do all these short crossing outs.
He's trying to scheme guys open becauseI think he knows those guys aren't getting
open deep and I don't think Rogerstrusts them. And then I don't think
his arm is what it normally is. So you've got this weird combination of
you know, they know they can'tgo deep as much and so they're trying
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to get around it. But theproblem is they're not effective enough on this
short crossing stuff and then running theball. They cannot figure out how to
get that that combination. And ofwe are passing the ball effectively, they're
trying to pass to set up therun. Both Aj Dylon, you know,
both of their running backs are unbelievablydirect. They're north south. They
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get the ball and they take itright up the whole. Both of them
are the top two fastest to theline least amount of time taken to get
to the line of scrimmage running backsin the entire NFL. So they're spreading
and they're running out of shotgun Ithink sixth most or fifth most of any
team in the league. So it'slike they are spreading it. They're throwing
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crossing routes, throwing quick patterns,and they're when they run it, they're
running it direct up the middle outof a passing formation. And the result
of this is they're coming to theline and teams know what they're going to
do. They're trying to do urposto get a little bit of disguise going,
but it's it's not working. AndI think this all comes down to,
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Yeah, you add more surrounding talent, you get Aaron Rodgers more comfortable.
Maybe that heals up and I cansee a path to him getting back
to where he was. I don'tsee a path for Tom Brady right now,
and I don't know if it's thedivorce has him off his mental game,
which or a reminder to everyone it'snot a knock on Tom Brady.
The mental game is a huge partof why he is as good as he
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is, why he's been as goodas he's been. He did not have
dominant physical tools coming out of college. He does not have. You know
Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler retired andhe was chilling on a beach somewhere and
the Dolphins needed somebody, and theycalled Jay Cutler and they're like, what
are you doing. It's like nothing, you want to come? Plays like
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okay, And he shows up andhe can still flick at sixty yards like
that's that's arm talent. Jay Cutlerdoesn't have to do anything. Remember they
asked him in that press conference,what are you doing in terms of conditioning
to get yourself back? And he'slike nothing, Really, I'm a quarterback.
Yeah great, Well Tom Brady islike, I work out fourteen hours
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a day. I like had theavocado ice creams TB twelve method like,
because Tom Brady needs to do allthat to be able to play at the
high level that he plays at.And I don't know if that's not happening
because of the stuff that's going onat home. Yeah, certainly this wasn't
a normal season in terms of preparation. He retired, he came back,
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all that other stuff, then tooka ten day leave of absence after coming
back, and then you know,just all of this stuff. And then
of course he's lost a lot ofthe receivers that he trusts also, so
they're both dealing with a lack ofquality targets to throw too. But I
see, I see Aaron Rodgers isbeing able to overcome that at some point.
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I don't think he's done Zoe either, but tom Brady and I've been
I'm gonna get killed also because I'veI've I've declared him dead like five times
starting in twenty fourteen. So Idon't want to be clowned again. But
I don't see a way for tomBrady at this age to come back.
Yeah, I agree with you.I don't know it. Tie. It's
like a vampire. You have tocut off the head and separate it from
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the body before you variate it inorder to come back. But like,
look, he's too old. Imean, they're talking about a different situation
from Rogers, who is both younger, even if he is on the older
side for quarterback, he is significantlyyounger than Tom Brady. He has an
injury, he has more armed talent. There are a lot of things going
on there. I mean, Ithink it's a lot easier to blame coaching
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issues there than it is in TampaBay. Also, the procurement of talent
in Green Bay, I think isa huge problem. I'm really tired of
hearing how good that front office is. They're not. I know, part
of their problem is they haven't angryalbatross that like runs people out of town.
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But I don't think they're great atselecting talent, particularly to do what
they need them to do. Andobviously, right now we have a mismatch
because right now we have a receivingcore, as you pointed out, that
is meant to be paired with adifferent kind of quarterback than what Rodners is
capable of right now. Yeah,but yeah, I mean in the end,
yeah, I mean, I thinkTom's don't say it. That's going
to come for me too, withtheir steaks and their pitchforks tie. But
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I don't he's so old and like, I don't know the divorce sing part
of me thinks, like the TomBrady really care if he doesn't see his
family anymore? Right, I don'tknow, But maybe that's unfair. Certainly
I would think he would be affectedby being separated from his children or really
separated from them more often the normal. So who knows that. Maybe he's
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just tired. I mean, theman is old, he's been doing this
for a long time. Maybe he'sjust exhausted. It was clearly a mistake
for him to come back. Butyeah, yeah, this is the end.
I mean, so much for notgoing out like Payton Manning. Right,
we're going out worse than Payton Manning. Now. Yeah. Yeah.
It just reminds me of I sawa news special probably like fifteen years ago
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about one of the like like lotlike Camera's Mooseladge or like Elks or Eagles,
one of those like old man clubs, right you know, um,
And I was like, oh,they're like diversifying, you know, they're
like letting women into the mooseladge orwhatever, and the kind of did this,
you know, talk to people andlike oh, you know, I've
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got this like weird like thirty yearlag on, like women's rights in the
Moose club kind of a thing.Um. And I'll never forget. I
don't remember anything except this one guywho is sitting, you know, at
the bar and he kind of looksat the camera with this like dejected look
and just like, look, man, we come here to get away from
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our wives for a bit. Okay, that's what this is. Like we
talk about community service and stuff,but this chance to get out of the
house and hang with the Fellas cluband that's what this is. Yeah,
yeah, Brady, he said it. He said it in one of the
press coup because he's like, yeah, hey, like this is just a
chance to you know, this iswhere I can be one of the guys,
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right, And it's like this isthis is a lot of money and
a lot of pressure and a lotof physical stress if you just want to
kick it with the guys, andif you desire to just kick it with
the guys is so bad that youwill ruin your marriage. And also a
football team, like I there's there'shealthier ways to do this, like joining
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a moose time. Yes, yes, fantastic. Okay, I think that's
that's enough Brady and Rogers talk.You just want to get into the whip
around and we'll do the key takeawaysfrom each game. All right, great,
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eight a m. Eastern every singleMonday morning, we break down all of
the NFL action. We're going toget right to it. Cardinals forty two,
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Saints thirty four. We were waitingSamantha for the Cardinals offense to get
right and we called it. Itdid. Yeah, we were also waiting
for like a Thursday night game thathad more than like, I don't know,
nine points scored or whatever we've gotout to too. So no defense
in this one. I wouldn't exactlycall it good football per se. But
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the Cardinals, I mean, likeyou said, we've been waiting for this
forever, really really encouraging. Ithink what we saw here, um Andy
Dalton Rod pick sixes for New Orleans. In case somebody's wondering how that experiment
was going, Yeah, I meanthis is Arizona, like you know,
did what they needed to do.New Copkins ten catches for one hundred three
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yards of fourteen targets. Yeah,there's that's back to what we thought.
Bengals thirty five, Falcons seventeen.And I think I think set that we
called this one too. We did, we did, and there was I
got nervous in like the second quarter. There was this point where the Falcons
were starting to creep back as theyhave been wont to do recently, very
weird falcons coming back on other peopleinstead of people coming back on them.
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But ultimately fell short. Cincinnati comesout on top like we thought, all
right, Cowboys twenty four Lions sixkills me. But here we go.
Yeah, um, I thought thiswould be closer, like it was closer,
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Yeah easy, I know, youtake this one tie. I need
to hear. What do you thinkabout? Yeah? Yeah, well because
this was the thing was because wehad the right read on the game.
Tony Romo, with ten minutes leftin the fourth, Cowboys were up ten
to six and they're pinned deep.The Cowboys are, they're starting to drive
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and they convert a first down andTony Romo, who if you saw the
chatter, Tony Romo was home Mariethan usual for this game, and quite
rescently so. And and yeah,well, you know, Lions they felt
hard today. I think here,you know, Cowboys they're taking control,
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they're asserting their dominance, you know, and the Lions immediately got to stop,
forced to funt, you know,like literally the next the next set
of downs after that first down,and Nance had to throw it to a
commercial with m This one's still anail bier to say. Jared Goff threw
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a terrible pick and then the Cowboysscored, and then Jared Goff lost a
fumble, and then the Cowboys scored, and so the record it goes down
as a twenty four to six blowoutwhen it was a ten to six nail
biter with like five minutes left.So um, yeah, just just a
couple of big Jared Goff mistakes.Um. And this is this is the
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thing, is that they don't knowa moment of same Brown, No dj
chark Um, no Josh Robinson,no Jamison Williams. Yet like this this
their four top you know, thefour more talented wideouts from out there.
No DeAndre Swift either. Um.And when he's out there, throw him
the Calif Raymond and practice squad preseasonhero Tom Kennedy. You're seeing the Jared
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Goff that we saw at the beginningof the year last year when he had
Calif Raymond and still rookie, youknow, still still getting his feet wet,
a monas Saint Brown out there,and defenses were able to tee up
and he didn't have anybody he couldtrust, and it just looks shaky out
there. So that's that was thedifference. But the defense put it together
and played great, so I coulddo I could do another hour on this
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and the unbelievable overreaction from lyons Land, but I think this is still the
project is going in the right direction, but they're kind of there's just too
little talent and too many leaks,too many injuries that they are trying to
backfill all at the same time.I think, okay, but one thing,
one thing I had to ask you, because I agree with you.
I think the project is still goingin the right direction, But is the
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Jared Goff might be good experiment over? Like can we end that please?
Well? Yeah, yeah. Andthat's the thing is, like I think,
if you put all the talent backout, this is the best offense
in football for the first month offootball, right, And that was real.
Jared Goff was doing that. Andjust like when I go back and
point out, like there was ayear where Jared Goff was maybe the best
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quarterback in football and the Rams wentto the Super Bowl, right, and
yeah, well that's not that's notreal. Well, no, it is
real. He physically did that.And any any rookie you draft, the
odds say he will never have aseason as good as Jared Goff has already
had, Right, So that's that'sin there somewhere, and I think it's
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all mental. But like he had, his Lions career has been a microcosm
of his actual actual career, whetherit's games, has quarters where he plays
like just shy of that elite,elite status. He's never gonna be Pat
Mahomes, He's never gonna be LamarJackson, He's never gonna be Josh Allen,
but he might be the first guywho's not one of those guys at
the top of that heat, right, well, does he need to be
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Pat Holmes's This is the question.It's like, is Jared Goff good enough
if he has the pieces around him? Because the data says yes, even
if the I test kind of saysknows sometimes so. And that's the things
I think. If if the ifthe receiving corps right now gets healthy,
yeah, you got the pieces aroundhim. That line is is really good.
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TJ. Hockinson's really good. DeAndreSwift is really good. Those wide
receivers altogether are going to be reallygood. And and you don't need to
have a great quarterback with the problemis he also has games and stretches where
if the pieces aren't around him orhis head isn't right, he looks like
not even a backup. You know, he has had games and stretches and
paves and quarters where he's worse thana backup. Um. And you know,
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two weeks ago everyone was asking me, national radio hosts were asking me
repeatedly, do the Lions need toextend Jared Goff right now? I'm like,
he's signed at thirty million a yearuntil twenty twenty five. You don't
you don't need that trigger. Yeah, I'm fine, he's fine. There's
there's plenty of time. He's streaky. This is a streak, it'll pass,
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and now is it over? Dowe need to cut Jared Goff?
Two weeks later, I like,guys, he's streaky, this is a
streak. It'll, it'll, it'lleven out. There are other bigger questions,
um, I think for the Lionsin their direction, but most of
those questions were all around literally nothaving enough talent on defense and yeah,
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way too many injuries on offense.Uh, Colts, we're supposed to get
healthy, get Jonathan Taylor back pickedthem and the two and a half points
and that was not enough. Colts, ten plus two and a half gets
you to twelve and a half,but the Titans scored nineteen. They win
the game. SMITHA, would youthink I mean, shame on us for
picking the Colts to win a divisionalgame. This is our fault. Yeah,
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come on, we know better,you know, do we do?
Smitha? We did talk about thePackers a little bit already. Did you
want to do any Taylor Heieken?You guys, this is all that Washington
football team we're called. Yes,we're calling the football team again. Yes,
because Taylor Heineke is back. See, it just needed to get rid
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of Carson Wentz. Like everything isfine now that Kaylor Heineke's back. Now
was Taylor Heineke like dominant at thequarterback position? No? Not particularly do
you do enough to win? Though? He sure did? And we've been
saying we think this is a wellcoached team, thank you. And I
have said a million times that we'rewilling to die on the Ron rivera hill
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like forever. And it's a waymore talented team than the way that they've
been performing. And while I can'tblame it all on Carson Wentz, even
though I really really want to,you can blame a huge piece of it
on Carson Wentz. Um And Ithink this team too needed kind of a
shot in the arm after everything thathas happened off the field. There.
It is a mess over there,But Taylor Heineke's here to save us.
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Are say you're Taylor Heineken? Allright, um, oh my goodness,
Yeah so we did. We didtalk about the books. Also, do
we do? We want to talkabout the Panthers trading away Christian McCaffrey at
immediately getting better cat bounce heck yeah, yeah, so I'm a weird breed
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of dead cat bounce um dead tinyrunning back bounce. Um yeah, I
don't know. I don't know,man, Like, they just traded away
like literally everything they had that wasworth anything, and then yet weirdly they
turned down to first or Brian Burns, which makes that toutly no sense.
So I told them, understand whatthey're doing here, but hey, you
know, broken clocks right twice aday or whichever, you know, blind
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squirrel or however you want to doit, like, yeah, and I
they've the actual my actual bit aboutthe turning down the first for whenever the
trade actually does happened. Yeah,but someone was like, oh, maybe
it was like a contending team,so they thought that the first round picks
would be low. And I'm like, we're sitting here watching every single year
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we get we're watching Rams watching,you know, the Eagles. It's like
these teams trade picks, pretending like, Okay, however good a team this
year is definitely how good they'll benext year, and then that's never how
it works out, like you justwhatever, Okay, Giants. Wow,
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Brian Dabele comes through the Jags forthree point underdogs. I took them.
They lost by six to the mightyNew York Football Giants. Samantham, what
did you think of this? Imean, Brian Dabele over coach of the
year. Maybe just absolutely tremendous job. This team does not have the roster
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talent to perform the way that theyare performing, so I can only conclude
that this is tremendously good coaching,especially for a first time head coach.
Just exceptionally well done. And partof the problem here is that I think
the Jaguars got really overhyped at thebeginning of the season, like really overhyped.
We wanted to be excited because hewas there, because we all want
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to believe in Trevor Lawrence, eventhough I suspect he is not nearly as
good as we want him to be, although I'm sure he's better than he
looks now, but because they blewout the cults, who will suck right
exactly, who can't do anything right? So yeah, I think that the
over excitement from the Jaguars it wasa little bit part of this two.
And the Giants are I mean,you can only play the schedule that's in
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front of you, right, Sowe're not necessarily holding this against the Giants.
Were just saying, I think thisis a very gonna be cautious about
that six and one because it hasnot been a terribly demanding schedule. But
you know, they're getting it done. They're getting done. They don't pick
the opponents, guys. Yeah,good boy. Yeah, And that's that
is one I'm want to actually lookup the DVOA schedule, um because they'll
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bring it back to the Lions LionsTwitter. It's like, what's the difference
between the Giants and US? That'slikes played a Wait first schedule, Wait
a schedule? You know? Injurylook like okay, cool, take away
the Giants top four wide receives,they don't have any to begin with,
so you know, all right,let's go Ravens twenty three Browns, twenty
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browns or six and a half pointunderdogs per pick watch that they do cover
the spread here I lose this pickagainst the spread, but the Ravens did
get it done finally. Yeah,and this is sort of how these af
senior matchups time to go. They'recloser than they should be. This one
didn't look as close as the pointswould indicate that it was. If you
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know what I mean, I thinkthat you know, metaphorically speaking or spiritually
speaking, the Browns lost by morethan three, really really frustrating situation for
the Browns camp right now. Totough to sympathize with that given the circumstances
and how they got there. Buta lot of questions about the coaching that
I think need to be addressed,some of which are complete overreactions regarding head
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coach kind of Savansky, and someof which I think are very valid regarding
their defensive coaching staff. And forthe Ravens, I think, yeah,
this is what you need to do. You need to stay out in front
consistently of divisional opponents. This iswhere the Ravens have gotten into rubble before,
and it looks like they're going toget the job done this time around.
Yeah. Um, this has beentough because I saw set the Ravens
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were one of three teams to starttheir first seven games with a double digit
You have a double digit lead attheir first seven games, which, yeah,
that shows you how they should bedoing better than they are. In
the win and lost column Jets sixteenBroncos nine, we had we had some
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questions about you know, we hadthere were some un or stoppable forces and
movable objects happening here in Jets Broncos, and we saw the Jets come out
on top. Yeah, I thinkDenver is every bit as bad as we
thought that they were. Um,they didn't have their quarterback, although I'm
not sure that matters. Uh yeah, I mean, guys, the Zach
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Wilson hurt is now four and nowand now I'm wondering if it needs to
be repurposed, Like could this winat other things? Should I wear it
on Election Day? Should I wearit during the World Series? Like does
have other powers beyond Jets games?Something I need to think about. But
also, is this the only reasonthat the Jets are winning? Because they're
really not very good regardless of whetherthey are better than they were, So
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we'll think it's the magical shirt andmaybe we can put the shirt seas for
the greater good. Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean you got to
beat the Broncos, right, likethat's like baseline, you know, slightly
below average team must beat bottom feederteam, poorly coached, bottom feeder team.
So yeah, Robert Salih the shine. I think you know Briand yeah,
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think about Brian Dable. Not enoughpeople are talking about Robert Sali and
yeah he's doing I think Raiders thirtyeight Texans twenty. I thought the Texans
would keep this one closer. Longpicked them against the spread, but I
thought the Raiders were going to winthe game, and they did. Yeah,
I had much to say about thisone of them. It was good
to see the Raiders again since wekind of, as we mentioned in the
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preview show, like forgot about themfor a couple of weeks because it just
they just weren't involved in the NationalFootball League for a while there. But
yeah, this was closer than I'msorry, not as close I should say
that I expected it to be.But maybe people are if we have teams
kind of going back to where wethought they would be, Houston maybe not
holding people as tight. The Raiderslooking at least a little better than they
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have over the last couple of weeks. So perhaps this is just both teams
kind of returning to where they reallyought to have been from the get go.
Yeah, two teams that did notreturn to where they ought to have
been from the get go. Seahawksthirty seven, Chargers twenty three, Synith.
I think you and I liked theSeahawks, but Shatty thought this is
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going to be the big Chargers explosion, and that is not what happened.
I yeah, you know, Itook I took the Chargers and my other
pick a pool, which has nowprompted me because I've never taking the Chargers
again. I don't care who they'replaying, never doing it. But yeah,
I mean the Seahawks. I don'teven know which direction to go with
this. I think it's awesome what'sgoing on with Seattle? I mean,
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like, at what point do wesay, Okay, this feels at least
a little bit legitimate, but alsoby the same token, like half of
what we're talking about here is thatthe Chargers look awful, I mean,
like really really offen. Yeah,I think they are incredibly poorly coached.
I like Brandon Staley's human I don'tthink he's a good coach. They have
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so much talent on that roster,and I know they've got injuries, but
they don't have that many injuries,if you know what I mean. Yeah,
yeah, that's uh, let's goto the next thing. Chiefs forty
four twenty three. And we saidin the little pre show chit chat,
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I don't know why I didn't pickthis one in some of my other pools,
because I thought this was the mostobvious play when the early lines went
up last Sunday, Chiefs were goingto blow them out and they did tie.
Is this symptomatic of the goals betweenthe AFC and the NFC in terms
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of talent because the forty nine Ersare still one of the best teams in
the NFC, regardless of what happenedhere, and they got like stopped by
the Chiefs, who are, yeah, maybe not the best but close to
in the AFC. So that's Ithink an interesting conversation to have been,
you know, not a great gamefor the forty nine Ers, probably still
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figuring out how to use Christian mccafrey. But I mean from San Francisco,
my bigger concern is that, likemy vaunted defense did not look too good
here, which is what we thoughtwould happen. But it's also something that
I think they need to be worriedabout. Yeah, for sure. I
also thought it was hilarious that thebroadcast kept going, oh, you know,
Christian McCaffrey. He's like, hey, can you send me the playbooks?
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I could read it on the plane. He's like, cram the playbook
on the plane, and like,you know, somehow learned like so much
to the offense that he's getting somany touches. I'm like, all of
that is true, but also,let's be clear, he is a running
back. He's getting back that you'dlike, you need to know what hole
to hit, and you need toknow what words mean what hole, and
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like, you know, yeah,they haven't fully incorporated him into the whole
deal and the passing game that heeventually will be. But then even once
you know what hole to hit,you get the ball and you run away.
There's space. The on ramp isso much shorter for a running back
than almost any other position. It'snot it's not like he's playing quarterback.
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It sound like he's playing wide receiver. He's come on, you can switch
teams. Yeah, like think ofit as like I memorizing, like the
answers for a pop quiz, nota semester final. Like he's a running
back. Yeah, yeah, soit's it's and yeah we talk about it
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all the time, like what's theone position you can draft, Yes and
basically plug them in as a rookieand they're gonna be as good as they're
gonna be this running back. Ohboy. But hey, Samantha, it's
your time, your show. Sundaynight football Steelers were getting seven points at
the Miami Dolphins, and we didget a game that went close late.
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What did you think of this?I looked a little incompetent on both sides
here. I would love to tellyou this was like fantastic defense or something,
but it wasn't. It just lookedlike a couple of teams that kind
of couldn't do anything right. Interestingto see the Dolphins struggle a little bit
in this way. Ultimately I thinkthey will be fine. It was to
his first game back, and Daniellooked a little bit like he wasn't quite
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sure what to do, and acouple of times there was some pentative play
calling that I thought was sort ofinteresting and different for them, So I
hope that they can kind of worktheir way back from that in Pittsburgh.
I mean, what do you whatdo you do? I mean, someone
Mike Tomlin should probably be sainted forall the things that he puts up with.
Like, imagine spending that much timewaiting for Ben to finally die,
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and then you are saddled with KennyPickett and Biscuit and they are pretty much
as bad as we expected. AndPickett did not look great. Mitchell,
Mitchell's over there on the sideline whenthere's no chance he's going to the game
wearing his helmet. Yeah, you'relike, if you're Mike Tomlin, you
just throw that headset down and disgustand be like, you know what,
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they don't whatever they're paying, it'snot enough, it's not enough. It
isn't. And the Steelers, I'mout enough however they were, they could
get enough to cover that seven pointspreads up. That's thelend. You pick
the Dolphins at like me. Youtook an l on that one, all
right, Samantha. That is thewhole deal. And I don't see anybody
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raising their hand. Is there anythingyou want to get off your chest before
we call it? For this week. No, no, I'm just I'm
glorying in our Taylor, the returnof Taylor heinek. Yeah, I'm gonna
go celebrate for a little bit.Football team is back yea for now,
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it down. Um. Let's let'sstart with the big key takeaway, which
is that two of the greatest quarterbacksof all time are playing while you watch
them in our lifetime, and theyare playing bad. Samantha. Are Aaron
Rodgers and Tom Brady both done?I want to say, yes, so
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bad? I really really do.We should probably mention that Shotty will be
back. He unlike Tom Brady andAaron Rodgers. Um, it's just unavailable
today today, he will be back. He's not into client. We're not
like talking like third neck paid Manning. But we might be saying that about
these guys. Yeah, yeah,oh oh man oh man. Um.
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Look, I think it might betwo different problems. I wanted to put
them together because they would hate it, and so I want that for us.
But Tom looks maybe truly, Idon't even want to say it.
Someone's going to comfort me, buthe wants a little washed or whispering shouting
him shouting, whispering Rogers. Thatmight be more symptomatic of what happens when
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you run everyone with any skill outof town with your personality. I'm not
sure. I think Rogers physical talentis completely gone. I mean he's on
the wrong side of the peak fora quarterback. But I don't think Aaron
Rodgers is like Dounezo from like anarmed talent perspective. But Packards, shure
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Are and Tom Man, I don'tknow. I mean that happened quick.
I don't think this is like Tom'shaving a bad mental phase, you know,
likee Tom has felts, or atleast he doesn't have them about football.
So but I don't know. Imean, what do you think,
are we definitely putting him in thewash? Fuck it? Or well?
I wrote last week at five thirtyeight about this with Aaron Rodgers, and
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it's like, look, maybe it'sthe thumb, you know, maybe it's
the thumb that's affecting his deep ballright now because the deep ball is not
there, you know, just justwatching it. It doesn't have the same
zip, doesn't have the same strength. He's not testing it as often,
he's not trying those deep balls asoften, and then when he doesn't that
they don't look good, right,and like that's that's tape that stats.
And then I think you see inthe play calling. I went and looked
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at the you know, the distributionof routes run, right, and the
Packers are calling more screens than anybodyelse in the league, and more quickouts
and quickens then I think almost anyoneelse in the league, and fewer deep
outs and deep ends. They didn'tcall a single out route fifteen yards are
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deeper all year coming into this game, and then only a handful of deep
ends. So a lot of thesedeep crossing routes that you expect, like
that's supposed to be the test ofarm strength, right, is the deep
out, like can you zip twentythirty yard outs? They're not even running
those, let alone throwing those.And then schematically we saw, you know,
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Matt Lafleur continues to you know,do all these short crossing outs.
He's trying to scheme guys open becauseI think he knows those guys aren't getting
open deep and I don't think Rogerstrusts them. And then I don't think
his arm is what it normally is. So you've got this weird combination of
you know, they know they can'tgo deep as much and so they're trying
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to get around it. But theproblem is they're not effective enough on this
short crossing stuff and then running theball. They cannot figure out how to
get that that combination. And ofwe are passing the ball effectively, they're
trying to pass to set up therun. Both Aj Dylon, you know,
both of their running backs are unbelievablydirect. They're north south. They
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get the ball and they take itright up the whole. Both of them
are the top two fastest to theline least amount of time taken to get
to the line of scrimmage running backsin the entire NFL. So they're spreading
and they're running out of shotgun Ithink sixth most or fifth most of any
team in the league. So it'slike they are spreading it. They're throwing
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crossing routes, throwing quick patterns,and they're when they run it, they're
running it direct up the middle outof a passing formation. And the result
of this is they're coming to theline and teams know what they're going to
do. They're trying to do urposto get a little bit of disguise going,
but it's it's not working. AndI think this all comes down to,
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Yeah, you add more surrounding talent, you get Aaron Rodgers more comfortable.
Maybe that heals up and I cansee a path to him getting back
to where he was. I don'tsee a path for Tom Brady right now,
and I don't know if it's thedivorce has him off his mental game,
which or a reminder to everyone it'snot a knock on Tom Brady.
The mental game is a huge partof why he is as good as he
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is, why he's been as goodas he's been. He did not have
dominant physical tools coming out of college. He does not have. You know
Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler retired andhe was chilling on a beach somewhere and
the Dolphins needed somebody, and theycalled Jay Cutler and they're like, what
are you doing. It's like nothing, you want to come? Plays like
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okay, And he shows up andhe can still flick at sixty yards like
that's that's arm talent. Jay Cutlerdoesn't have to do anything. Remember they
asked him in that press conference,what are you doing in terms of conditioning
to get yourself back? And he'slike nothing, Really, I'm a quarterback.
Yeah great, Well Tom Brady islike, I work out fourteen hours
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a day. I like had theavocado ice creams TB twelve method like,
because Tom Brady needs to do allthat to be able to play at the
high level that he plays at.And I don't know if that's not happening
because of the stuff that's going onat home. Yeah, certainly this wasn't
a normal season in terms of preparation. He retired, he came back,
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all that other stuff, then tooka ten day leave of absence after coming
back, and then you know,just all of this stuff. And then
of course he's lost a lot ofthe receivers that he trusts also, so
they're both dealing with a lack ofquality targets to throw too. But I
see, I see Aaron Rodgers isbeing able to overcome that at some point.
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I don't think he's done Zoe either, but tom Brady and I've been
I'm gonna get killed also because I'veI've I've declared him dead like five times
starting in twenty fourteen. So Idon't want to be clowned again. But
I don't see a way for tomBrady at this age to come back.
Yeah, I agree with you.I don't know it. Tie. It's
like a vampire. You have tocut off the head and separate it from
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the body before you variate it inorder to come back. But like,
look, he's too old. Imean, they're talking about a different situation
from Rogers, who is both younger, even if he is on the older
side for quarterback, he is significantlyyounger than Tom Brady. He has an
injury, he has more armed talent. There are a lot of things going
on there. I mean, Ithink it's a lot easier to blame coaching
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issues there than it is in TampaBay. Also, the procurement of talent
in Green Bay, I think isa huge problem. I'm really tired of
hearing how good that front office is. They're not. I know, part
of their problem is they haven't angryalbatross that like runs people out of town.
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But I don't think they're great atselecting talent, particularly to do what
they need them to do. Andobviously, right now we have a mismatch
because right now we have a receivingcore, as you pointed out, that
is meant to be paired with adifferent kind of quarterback than what Rodners is
capable of right now. Yeah,but yeah, I mean in the end,
yeah, I mean, I thinkTom's don't say it. That's going
to come for me too, withtheir steaks and their pitchforks tie. But
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I don't he's so old and like, I don't know the divorce sing part
of me thinks, like the TomBrady really care if he doesn't see his
family anymore? Right, I don'tknow, But maybe that's unfair. Certainly
I would think he would be affectedby being separated from his children or really
separated from them more often the normal. So who knows that. Maybe he's
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just tired. I mean, theman is old, he's been doing this
for a long time. Maybe he'sjust exhausted. It was clearly a mistake
for him to come back. Butyeah, yeah, this is the end.
I mean, so much for notgoing out like Payton Manning. Right,
we're going out worse than Payton Manning. Now. Yeah. Yeah.
It just reminds me of I sawa news special probably like fifteen years ago
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about one of the like like lotlike Camera's Mooseladge or like Elks or Eagles,
one of those like old man clubs, right you know, um,
And I was like, oh,they're like diversifying, you know, they're
like letting women into the mooseladge orwhatever, and the kind of did this,
you know, talk to people andlike oh, you know, I've
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got this like weird like thirty yearlag on, like women's rights in the
Moose club kind of a thing.Um. And I'll never forget. I
don't remember anything except this one guywho is sitting, you know, at
the bar and he kind of looksat the camera with this like dejected look
and just like, look, man, we come here to get away from
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our wives for a bit. Okay, that's what this is. Like we
talk about community service and stuff,but this chance to get out of the
house and hang with the Fellas cluband that's what this is. Yeah,
yeah, Brady, he said it. He said it in one of the
press coup because he's like, yeah, hey, like this is just a
chance to you know, this iswhere I can be one of the guys,
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right, And it's like this isthis is a lot of money and
a lot of pressure and a lotof physical stress if you just want to
kick it with the guys, andif you desire to just kick it with
the guys is so bad that youwill ruin your marriage. And also a
football team, like I there's there'shealthier ways to do this, like joining
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a moose time. Yes, yes, fantastic. Okay, I think that's
that's enough Brady and Rogers talk.You just want to get into the whip
around and we'll do the key takeawaysfrom each game. All right, great,
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the NFL action. We're going toget right to it. Cardinals forty two,
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Saints thirty four. We were waitingSamantha for the Cardinals offense to get
right and we called it. Itdid. Yeah, we were also waiting
for like a Thursday night game thathad more than like, I don't know,
nine points scored or whatever we've gotout to too. So no defense
in this one. I wouldn't exactlycall it good football per se. But
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the Cardinals, I mean, likeyou said, we've been waiting for this
forever, really really encouraging. Ithink what we saw here, um Andy
Dalton Rod pick sixes for New Orleans. In case somebody's wondering how that experiment
was going, Yeah, I meanthis is Arizona, like you know,
did what they needed to do.New Copkins ten catches for one hundred three
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yards of fourteen targets. Yeah,there's that's back to what we thought.
Bengals thirty five, Falcons seventeen.And I think I think set that we
called this one too. We did, we did, and there was I
got nervous in like the second quarter. There was this point where the Falcons
were starting to creep back as theyhave been wont to do recently, very
weird falcons coming back on other peopleinstead of people coming back on them.
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But ultimately fell short. Cincinnati comesout on top like we thought, all
right, Cowboys twenty four Lions sixkills me. But here we go.
Yeah, um, I thought thiswould be closer, like it was closer,
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Yeah easy, I know, youtake this one tie. I need
to hear. What do you thinkabout? Yeah? Yeah, well because
this was the thing was because wehad the right read on the game.
Tony Romo, with ten minutes leftin the fourth, Cowboys were up ten
to six and they're pinned deep.The Cowboys are, they're starting to drive
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and they convert a first down andTony Romo, who if you saw the
chatter, Tony Romo was home Mariethan usual for this game, and quite
rescently so. And and yeah,well, you know, Lions they felt
hard today. I think here,you know, Cowboys they're taking control,
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they're asserting their dominance, you know, and the Lions immediately got to stop,
forced to funt, you know,like literally the next the next set
of downs after that first down,and Nance had to throw it to a
commercial with m This one's still anail bier to say. Jared Goff threw
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a terrible pick and then the Cowboysscored, and then Jared Goff lost a
fumble, and then the Cowboys scored, and so the record it goes down
as a twenty four to six blowoutwhen it was a ten to six nail
biter with like five minutes left.So um, yeah, just just a
couple of big Jared Goff mistakes.Um. And this is this is the
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thing, is that they don't knowa moment of same Brown, No dj
chark Um, no Josh Robinson,no Jamison Williams. Yet like this this
their four top you know, thefour more talented wideouts from out there.
No DeAndre Swift either. Um.And when he's out there, throw him
the Calif Raymond and practice squad preseasonhero Tom Kennedy. You're seeing the Jared
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Goff that we saw at the beginningof the year last year when he had
Calif Raymond and still rookie, youknow, still still getting his feet wet,
a monas Saint Brown out there,and defenses were able to tee up
and he didn't have anybody he couldtrust, and it just looks shaky out
there. So that's that was thedifference. But the defense put it together
and played great, so I coulddo I could do another hour on this
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and the unbelievable overreaction from lyons Land, but I think this is still the
project is going in the right direction, but they're kind of there's just too
little talent and too many leaks,too many injuries that they are trying to
backfill all at the same time.I think, okay, but one thing,
one thing I had to ask you, because I agree with you.
I think the project is still goingin the right direction, But is the
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Jared Goff might be good experiment over? Like can we end that please?
Well? Yeah, yeah. Andthat's the thing is, like I think,
if you put all the talent backout, this is the best offense
in football for the first month offootball, right, And that was real.
Jared Goff was doing that. Andjust like when I go back and
point out, like there was ayear where Jared Goff was maybe the best
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quarterback in football and the Rams wentto the Super Bowl, right, and
yeah, well that's not that's notreal. Well, no, it is
real. He physically did that.And any any rookie you draft, the
odds say he will never have aseason as good as Jared Goff has already
had, Right, So that's that'sin there somewhere, and I think it's
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all mental. But like he had, his Lions career has been a microcosm
of his actual actual career, whetherit's games, has quarters where he plays
like just shy of that elite,elite status. He's never gonna be Pat
Mahomes, He's never gonna be LamarJackson, He's never gonna be Josh Allen,
but he might be the first guywho's not one of those guys at
the top of that heat, right, well, does he need to be
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Pat Holmes's This is the question.It's like, is Jared Goff good enough
if he has the pieces around him? Because the data says yes, even
if the I test kind of saysknows sometimes so. And that's the things
I think. If if the ifthe receiving corps right now gets healthy,
yeah, you got the pieces aroundhim. That line is is really good.
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TJ. Hockinson's really good. DeAndreSwift is really good. Those wide
receivers altogether are going to be reallygood. And and you don't need to
have a great quarterback with the problemis he also has games and stretches where
if the pieces aren't around him orhis head isn't right, he looks like
not even a backup. You know, he has had games and stretches and
paves and quarters where he's worse thana backup. Um. And you know,
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two weeks ago everyone was asking me, national radio hosts were asking me
repeatedly, do the Lions need toextend Jared Goff right now? I'm like,
he's signed at thirty million a yearuntil twenty twenty five. You don't
you don't need that trigger. Yeah, I'm fine, he's fine. There's
there's plenty of time. He's streaky. This is a streak, it'll pass,
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and now is it over? Dowe need to cut Jared Goff?
Two weeks later, I like,guys, he's streaky, this is a
streak. It'll, it'll, it'lleven out. There are other bigger questions,
um, I think for the Lionsin their direction, but most of
those questions were all around literally nothaving enough talent on defense and yeah,
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way too many injuries on offense.Uh, Colts, we're supposed to get
healthy, get Jonathan Taylor back pickedthem and the two and a half points
and that was not enough. Colts, ten plus two and a half gets
you to twelve and a half,but the Titans scored nineteen. They win
the game. SMITHA, would youthink I mean, shame on us for
picking the Colts to win a divisionalgame. This is our fault. Yeah,
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come on, we know better,you know, do we do?
Smitha? We did talk about thePackers a little bit already. Did you
want to do any Taylor Heieken?You guys, this is all that Washington
football team we're called. Yes,we're calling the football team again. Yes,
because Taylor Heineke is back. See, it just needed to get rid
(19:57):
of Carson Wentz. Like everything isfine now that Kaylor Heineke's back. Now
was Taylor Heineke like dominant at thequarterback position? No? Not particularly do
you do enough to win? Though? He sure did? And we've been
saying we think this is a wellcoached team, thank you. And I
have said a million times that we'rewilling to die on the Ron rivera hill
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like forever. And it's a waymore talented team than the way that they've
been performing. And while I can'tblame it all on Carson Wentz, even
though I really really want to,you can blame a huge piece of it
on Carson Wentz. Um And Ithink this team too needed kind of a
shot in the arm after everything thathas happened off the field. There.
It is a mess over there,But Taylor Heineke's here to save us.
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Are say you're Taylor Heineken? Allright, um, oh my goodness,
Yeah so we did. We didtalk about the books. Also, do
we do? We want to talkabout the Panthers trading away Christian McCaffrey at
immediately getting better cat bounce heck yeah, yeah, so I'm a weird breed
(21:03):
of dead cat bounce um dead tinyrunning back bounce. Um yeah, I
don't know. I don't know,man, Like, they just traded away
like literally everything they had that wasworth anything, and then yet weirdly they
turned down to first or Brian Burns, which makes that toutly no sense.
So I told them, understand whatthey're doing here, but hey, you
know, broken clocks right twice aday or whichever, you know, blind
(21:26):
squirrel or however you want to doit, like, yeah, and I
they've the actual my actual bit aboutthe turning down the first for whenever the
trade actually does happened. Yeah,but someone was like, oh, maybe
it was like a contending team,so they thought that the first round picks
would be low. And I'm like, we're sitting here watching every single year
(21:51):
we get we're watching Rams watching,you know, the Eagles. It's like
these teams trade picks, pretending like, Okay, however good a team this
year is definitely how good they'll benext year, and then that's never how
it works out, like you justwhatever, Okay, Giants. Wow,
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Brian Dabele comes through the Jags forthree point underdogs. I took them.
They lost by six to the mightyNew York Football Giants. Samantham, what
did you think of this? Imean, Brian Dabele over coach of the
year. Maybe just absolutely tremendous job. This team does not have the roster
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talent to perform the way that theyare performing, so I can only conclude
that this is tremendously good coaching,especially for a first time head coach.
Just exceptionally well done. And partof the problem here is that I think
the Jaguars got really overhyped at thebeginning of the season, like really overhyped.
We wanted to be excited because hewas there, because we all want
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to believe in Trevor Lawrence, eventhough I suspect he is not nearly as
good as we want him to be, although I'm sure he's better than he
looks now, but because they blewout the cults, who will suck right
exactly, who can't do anything right? So yeah, I think that the
over excitement from the Jaguars it wasa little bit part of this two.
And the Giants are I mean,you can only play the schedule that's in
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front of you, right, Sowe're not necessarily holding this against the Giants.
Were just saying, I think thisis a very gonna be cautious about
that six and one because it hasnot been a terribly demanding schedule. But
you know, they're getting it done. They're getting done. They don't pick
the opponents, guys. Yeah,good boy. Yeah, And that's that
is one I'm want to actually lookup the DVOA schedule, um because they'll
(23:44):
bring it back to the Lions LionsTwitter. It's like, what's the difference
between the Giants and US? That'slikes played a Wait first schedule, Wait
a schedule? You know? Injurylook like okay, cool, take away
the Giants top four wide receives,they don't have any to begin with,
so you know, all right,let's go Ravens twenty three Browns, twenty
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browns or six and a half pointunderdogs per pick watch that they do cover
the spread here I lose this pickagainst the spread, but the Ravens did
get it done finally. Yeah,and this is sort of how these af
senior matchups time to go. They'recloser than they should be. This one
didn't look as close as the pointswould indicate that it was. If you
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know what I mean, I thinkthat you know, metaphorically speaking or spiritually
speaking, the Browns lost by morethan three, really really frustrating situation for
the Browns camp right now. Totough to sympathize with that given the circumstances
and how they got there. Buta lot of questions about the coaching that
I think need to be addressed,some of which are complete overreactions regarding head
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coach kind of Savansky, and someof which I think are very valid regarding
their defensive coaching staff. And forthe Ravens, I think, yeah,
this is what you need to do. You need to stay out in front
consistently of divisional opponents. This iswhere the Ravens have gotten into rubble before,
and it looks like they're going toget the job done this time around.
Yeah. Um, this has beentough because I saw set the Ravens
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were one of three teams to starttheir first seven games with a double digit
You have a double digit lead attheir first seven games, which, yeah,
that shows you how they should bedoing better than they are. In
the win and lost column Jets sixteenBroncos nine, we had we had some
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questions about you know, we hadthere were some un or stoppable forces and
movable objects happening here in Jets Broncos, and we saw the Jets come out
on top. Yeah, I thinkDenver is every bit as bad as we
thought that they were. Um,they didn't have their quarterback, although I'm
not sure that matters. Uh yeah, I mean, guys, the Zach
(26:00):
Wilson hurt is now four and nowand now I'm wondering if it needs to
be repurposed, Like could this winat other things? Should I wear it
on Election Day? Should I wearit during the World Series? Like does
have other powers beyond Jets games?Something I need to think about. But
also, is this the only reasonthat the Jets are winning? Because they're
really not very good regardless of whetherthey are better than they were, So
(26:26):
we'll think it's the magical shirt andmaybe we can put the shirt seas for
the greater good. Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean you got to
beat the Broncos, right, likethat's like baseline, you know, slightly
below average team must beat bottom feederteam, poorly coached, bottom feeder team.
So yeah, Robert Salih the shine. I think you know Briand yeah,
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think about Brian Dable. Not enoughpeople are talking about Robert Sali and
yeah he's doing I think Raiders thirtyeight Texans twenty. I thought the Texans
would keep this one closer. Longpicked them against the spread, but I
thought the Raiders were going to winthe game, and they did. Yeah,
I had much to say about thisone of them. It was good
to see the Raiders again since wekind of, as we mentioned in the
(27:11):
preview show, like forgot about themfor a couple of weeks because it just
they just weren't involved in the NationalFootball League for a while there. But
yeah, this was closer than I'msorry, not as close I should say
that I expected it to be.But maybe people are if we have teams
kind of going back to where wethought they would be, Houston maybe not
holding people as tight. The Raiderslooking at least a little better than they
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have over the last couple of weeks. So perhaps this is just both teams
kind of returning to where they reallyought to have been from the get go.
Yeah, two teams that did notreturn to where they ought to have
been from the get go. Seahawksthirty seven, Chargers twenty three, Synith.
I think you and I liked theSeahawks, but Shatty thought this is
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going to be the big Chargers explosion, and that is not what happened.
I yeah, you know, Itook I took the Chargers and my other
pick a pool, which has nowprompted me because I've never taking the Chargers
again. I don't care who they'replaying, never doing it. But yeah,
I mean the Seahawks. I don'teven know which direction to go with
this. I think it's awesome what'sgoing on with Seattle? I mean,
(28:18):
like, at what point do wesay, Okay, this feels at least
a little bit legitimate, but alsoby the same token, like half of
what we're talking about here is thatthe Chargers look awful, I mean,
like really really offen. Yeah,I think they are incredibly poorly coached.
I like Brandon Staley's human I don'tthink he's a good coach. They have
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so much talent on that roster,and I know they've got injuries, but
they don't have that many injuries,if you know what I mean. Yeah,
yeah, that's uh, let's goto the next thing. Chiefs forty
four twenty three. And we saidin the little pre show chit chat,
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I don't know why I didn't pickthis one in some of my other pools,
because I thought this was the mostobvious play when the early lines went
up last Sunday, Chiefs were goingto blow them out and they did tie.
Is this symptomatic of the goals betweenthe AFC and the NFC in terms
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of talent because the forty nine Ersare still one of the best teams in
the NFC, regardless of what happenedhere, and they got like stopped by
the Chiefs, who are, yeah, maybe not the best but close to
in the AFC. So that's Ithink an interesting conversation to have been,
you know, not a great gamefor the forty nine Ers, probably still
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figuring out how to use Christian mccafrey. But I mean from San Francisco,
my bigger concern is that, likemy vaunted defense did not look too good
here, which is what we thoughtwould happen. But it's also something that
I think they need to be worriedabout. Yeah, for sure. I
also thought it was hilarious that thebroadcast kept going, oh, you know,
Christian McCaffrey. He's like, hey, can you send me the playbooks?
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I could read it on the plane. He's like, cram the playbook
on the plane, and like,you know, somehow learned like so much
to the offense that he's getting somany touches. I'm like, all of
that is true, but also,let's be clear, he is a running
back. He's getting back that you'dlike, you need to know what hole
to hit, and you need toknow what words mean what hole, and
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like, you know, yeah,they haven't fully incorporated him into the whole
deal and the passing game that heeventually will be. But then even once
you know what hole to hit,you get the ball and you run away.
There's space. The on ramp isso much shorter for a running back
than almost any other position. It'snot it's not like he's playing quarterback.
(30:57):
It sound like he's playing wide receiver. He's come on, you can switch
teams. Yeah, like think ofit as like I memorizing, like the
answers for a pop quiz, nota semester final. Like he's a running
back. Yeah, yeah, soit's it's and yeah we talk about it
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all the time, like what's theone position you can draft, Yes and
basically plug them in as a rookieand they're gonna be as good as they're
gonna be this running back. Ohboy. But hey, Samantha, it's
your time, your show. Sundaynight football Steelers were getting seven points at
the Miami Dolphins, and we didget a game that went close late.
(31:41):
What did you think of this?I looked a little incompetent on both sides
here. I would love to tellyou this was like fantastic defense or something,
but it wasn't. It just lookedlike a couple of teams that kind
of couldn't do anything right. Interestingto see the Dolphins struggle a little bit
in this way. Ultimately I thinkthey will be fine. It was to
his first game back, and Daniellooked a little bit like he wasn't quite
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sure what to do, and acouple of times there was some pentative play
calling that I thought was sort ofinteresting and different for them, So I
hope that they can kind of worktheir way back from that in Pittsburgh.
I mean, what do you whatdo you do? I mean, someone
Mike Tomlin should probably be sainted forall the things that he puts up with.
Like, imagine spending that much timewaiting for Ben to finally die,
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and then you are saddled with KennyPickett and Biscuit and they are pretty much
as bad as we expected. AndPickett did not look great. Mitchell,
Mitchell's over there on the sideline whenthere's no chance he's going to the game
wearing his helmet. Yeah, you'relike, if you're Mike Tomlin, you
just throw that headset down and disgustand be like, you know what,
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they don't whatever they're paying, it'snot enough, it's not enough. It
isn't. And the Steelers, I'mout enough however they were, they could
get enough to cover that seven pointspreads up. That's thelend. You pick
the Dolphins at like me. Youtook an l on that one, all
right, Samantha. That is thewhole deal. And I don't see anybody
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raising their hand. Is there anythingyou want to get off your chest before
we call it? For this week. No, no, I'm just I'm
glorying in our Taylor, the returnof Taylor heinek. Yeah, I'm gonna
go celebrate for a little bit.Football team is back yea for now,
and it's so exciting, and wewill be back midweek. We always get
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