September 26, 2022 • 54 mins
The Trash Panda Buffet that is the 2022 NFL season continues! Week 3 was full of high highs, low lows, high lows, and low highs. From the Dolphins beating the Bills despite their #ButtPunt, to Jimmy Garoppolo Dan Orlovsky-ing his way to a Broncos upset on SNF, there was so much to react to.
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topics and if I put it backto you and then come back wrap around
Monday morning, just like we're doingright now and act everything that we saw.
Guys, there's so many things toget to. I don't even know
where to start. I think wehave to start with this Samantha butt punt.
We got butt punt incredible, youguys. I mean in a weekend
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where we had we had the Rdlovskytoo. Last night on Saturday night in
college football, we had the world'sweirdest joint or as a stat director called
it, because it bounced off thetop of the upright in the Arkansas game.
The point tremendous us good, yeah, very strong. And then the
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butt punt. I mean, guys, something, is there anything better?
Okays such as ourselves? The buttpunt just incredible. I mean, this
whole game was interesting, and Imean it's a little bit while that in
somewhat gratifying in a way that theteam that committed the butt time ended up
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winning the game anyway, essentially becausethe other team ran out of time,
which was not great. Buffalo,I think looked a little bit lost.
And of course, when your rosteris kind of decimated by injuries and you
have no safeties, so that iscertainly a contributing factor to this. But
so but hey, well credit wherecredits to man instead of I see a
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lot of people talking about how theBills lost this game, and that's true
to an extent that like the Dolphinsreally showed up. I mean, I
am so impressed by the work thatMike Kathaniel has done so far this season
and Tua as well, although Iwill say he was clearly concussed and probably
should not have been in that gameat the end, so that feels a
little bit dicey, and I knowthe NFLPA is investigating that. But just
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tremendous performance by the Dolphins, andthey are one of I believe there.
Well, there are three defeated teams. One of them is the Giants.
It's going tonight, so technically twoand three and our teams that's it,
Miami and Philadelphia. So pretty cool. Tide Shelter, you're too a true
fer. Yeah, I mean again, yes, I'm a too a truper.
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I wrote about you know, twofour five thirty eight last week,
Um, you know, in anticipationof this, And there's a lot of
a lot of things to take away. Number One still did throw deep.
It wasn't quite as any busted coveragesand free running as it was against the
Ravens, but it was still stillaggressive, still effective. Um, there
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were still some ugly moments in bothdirections. Um, And I think one
of the things that it was hardto not take away from this game is
that hard Rock Stadium is set upfor a massive home field advantage where the
opposing sideline is baking. In Miami, Son Bills are and of course the
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Buffalo Bills. They're up there,Buffalo. They're sweating, they're cramping,
they're you know, they're just goingthrough it physically from all the direct sunlight.
And nobody else in the stadium,not the Dolphins, not any of
the fans is getting that heat.So I don't know if that's incredibly clever
architecture, but it hasn't really metterit. Dolphins have been good enough for
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that to matter late in games,but here, I think it definitely did
help. As you said, Savantha, you know, Bill secondary guys are
cramping up, dropping the price.Even the offensive players were struggling to stay
with it. I think the Billsare still probably the most talented team in
football, probably the best team infootball. But it's a huge, huge
divisional win for a Miami team thatis absolutely for real. They're three and
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oh and even if they're a papertiger, you collect enough wins like these
and it doesn't matter. Shaddy,what do you think? I think I
have told this story on the programbefore, but when I moved to Florida,
it was like the first afternoon Ispent in the state. I looked
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out and here's a young man runningdown the side of the road in like
one hundred and ten degree heat,blazing house sun in the middle of the
afternoon, one hundred and ten percentimmunity. And I'm like, oh,
that's why football is so good downhere. It's a different breed, a
different breed. And if you're playingfootball in Idaho or Buffalo or any of
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the other various places that the Buffaloplayers spend their time, if it's not
Florida, you don't understand it.Texas, he dain't the same Arizona head
hint the same. They're different.They're still tough, but it's not the
same. And Miami has that bakedin pun intended advantage, and some coaches
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deal with it very well. Yousee this sometimes as West Coast coaches bring
it over and I spend a coupleof days in the East to get acclimated
at the time. Who also sawit in the season when Bill Belichick brought
his team down to acclimate to theweather. You gotta think that extra step
ahead. And like you said,Miami's ever been good enough for this to
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really matter in a while, Andnow it all of a sudden really doesn't.
I think coaches for the rest ofthe season need to be on the
look up for this. So you'resaying that when Matt Patricia made his players
run laps outside and snow, thatwas the right call. Nothing, however,
and Lions head coaches their stadium,their stadium would have to allow snow
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to get on the field for thattie. He didn't get that fun he
drove there. It was snowing outsidehis car. It's Matt Patricia. But
yeah, I think that's an excellentpoint in Just one last thing that I
thought was interesting and notable was thatthe Bills were in ninety offensive players in
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the Dolphins thirty nine piche interesting stYeah, I guess pushing tempo isn't always
an advantage. Yeah, that isdying all right. Next up, guys,
we cannot we cannot go without MartinSamantha, Content director NBC Sports works
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as a producer in the control controlroom for Sunday Night Football. And we're
batting it around a little bit aswe started. You know, for for
much of this game, it wasnot much to watch, but then suddenly
it was a whole lot to watch. Sunday Night Football Oh my goodness,
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we get the big upset, Weget Jimmy Garoppolo doing the dan Orlovsky dan
Orlovsky tweeting I'm free. I'm freebecause it finally, you know, uh
broke his paris to Denver Broncos.Get ugly, ugly win um shatty?
What was your what did you thinkabout this one? This game had it
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all you like, you know,that's where you just you know, describe
a dumpster fyre as as a placeto party. This is really bad content,
Samantha. You did not do agreat job last night. I apologize.
You really need to control that.I know, guys, I'm sorry,
but I'm so sorry they were Thetakeaway I have from this game is
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that the Denver Broncos defense is veryvery good. Their offense is still very
very bad. But I do thinkeven in light of the terrible you know,
dan Orlosky as moment, which JimmyG still has way better food of
pins than Dan. Oh, it'sit's not the same thing, the offense
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still looks better and more well roundedwith Jimmy G under center, like he's
getting the ball to his tight end, which is something Trey Lance didn't seem
to know how to do. He'sgetting the ball to various receivers like like
Brandon Yok, like Treylance and soearly returns. I think we're gonna have
a lot of boo birds, alot of people who never really liked Jimmy
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g or always thought it was belowaverage, who are going to come out
of the would work on this onelike the roaches they are. And some
of that is true, Like heis not the dude he I mean,
he's not Aaron Rodders, He's notJosh Allen. But the offense looked more
complete with him. It's just areally tough matchup against that Denver Broncos defense.
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And I thought this was always goingto be a really low scoring game.
I was worried all week because likeboth of my fantasy teams have just
stacked with forty nine Ers players andit was the weirdest guy ever. Like
I was trying to decide after thegame, was this a score Gami,
because I think there's one other timethat it happened, but it want it
was official Final Sports. I thinkthere was some shenanigans after the game that
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like made it not an official NFLfinal score. So kudos to the Bronco
it was, and the forty nineers for doing so many things that have
really just not been done, nota football field before. Yeah, I
mean imagining everyone coming in it likehalftime and seeing what what was the seven
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to five? That what is happeninghere? As the stream frozen? Like
what? This is terrible? Um? Yeah it's I went into the stadium
right right, and you're right,Sonny, it's not like we expected a
hugely high schooling game out of theseteams. I thought the defense would be
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pretty good. This is not exactlywhat I meant. Um, I was
a little bit surprised. I thoughtthe forty nine ers did not look great,
should have looked better. Um.You know, Nathaniel Hackett did not
necessarily look at any more competent thanhe did a week ago. He was
just quieter about it. Um,so there's that, I guess for Denver.
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Good for them, Um, theyhave won way more games and then
they should have. Um like whenlate gets to confidence or competence excuse me,
level and not competent either of thismorning. Um, but yeah,
look Jimmy, he's going to befine. The forty nine ers are going
to be fine. Um, I'mlike you, Sadi. You know,
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there's a sort of contingent to peoplethat because he's not elite um, they're
almost matter at him that if hewas just straight bad um, which is
weird. But this happens in theNFL, which these types of quarterbacks.
I feel like this comes up alot, and and he is, you
know, he has that Stafford guest. You know, he's good for just
one like completely bone headed throw agame where you're like, what were you
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doing there? But now he's yeah, he's done there a lotsky So it
happens, but uh, yeah,I think between the way that his teammates
and his coaches feel about him andthe way that he tend to perform on
a field, the forty Niners areinfinitely better off for the time being with
Jimmy Garoppolo under center, and Ithink they're going to be fine despite a
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rough loss. Here oh wait again, trying to pick through everything, trying
to make sure that we're not missinganything because there's so much to talk about.
Like if you had said Coults improvedto one one and one against the
Chiefs, I would have said thatwould have done our number one with a
bullet lead story for sure, andyet here we are that like kind of
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fairly makes three out of three andguys, yeah, Colts twenty, Chiefs
seventeen, all sorts of things misfiringhere. Um, you know, Matt
Ryan the kat and then rightfully soover first games took a ton of heat
again yesterday, Zack Bumble I managedto put things together just enough. They
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got contributions from a lot of players. And then on the other side of
the ball, you know, DaveTobe, the Special team's coach and assistant
head coach for Kansas City, hasbeen marked as like one of the guys
that should be getting head coaching mentions, but like you know, maybe gets
an interview every once in a while. They've got two of those guys out
there staff, you know what Imean. Um, they last night specialty
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just horrible for Kansas City. Theyhad a buffed hunt. Um they had
a specialty fake punt throw on fourthand eleven. Work out there's a fake
field goal. Uh, Matt Avendolafield goal tiger, really really rough,
missed extra point, missed a thirtyfour yarder. Because we could probably do
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a whole nother show about missed fieldgoals, just absolutely bananas. Numbers of
miss field goals in key spots andnon key spots yesterday kickers across the league.
But ultimately the Chiefs cannot get itdone. Just when they kind of
convinced everyone that like, oh yeah, cool, this is Tyreek Hill.
Whoever, who cares they can rollout of it at score forty and anybody.
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Still, just as we had finallygot com maybe the Colts are terrible
instead of very good. They comeup with a big, big win,
and I think maybe if you'd switchedaround who these results were against the one
one and one, I think maybenobody would be all that worried about the
Colts. Think about the yeah andguys, and very relieved my launch at
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Super Bowl. Pick has resurrected itselfand come back from the debt. So
let's and fight another day. Butand also, you know, speaking of
content, somebody write that down atthis ticker thing. Let's let's talk about
this at some point where we don'thave so much on or agen. It's
just a complete and total kicker meltout of twenty twenty two. But yeah,
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I mean, look, I wantto be excited and say the Colts
are fixed. Um, I willsay, it's incredible what a difference it
makes when you actually have your widereceivers present and available football game. That's
very helpful. So, um,that was good. Uh. The offensive
line seemed to come together a littlebit better, defensive better. Uh.
The other thing was the Chiefs tryvery hard. We kind of alluded to
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this with the special teams cons atevery time to give this game away to
the Colts, and for about eightypercent of the game the Colts We're like,
no, thanks, we're good.We don't want it either. Not
the greatest performance out of either teamhere, but I think the Colts needed
this, like so so badly soand Oinoid states not for Kin City.
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They're going to be fine. Ithink they have some questions they need to
answer, particularly about special teams,just absolute mess out there, something they
need to work on going forward.But mostly I'm just kind of relieved for
the Colts, who really, reallywe're in danger of falling into a hole
that they could not find back outof. So I'm excited that in this
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one, just because it's the firsttime the Colts defense really stepped up.
Both the defensive line, which playedso poorly all season, didn't look terrible
against a pretty rough Kansas City offensivefront, but also just the entire defense.
In the post Matt eberflus Era hasnot looked this good and made Patrick
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Mahomes look like a human being.So yeah, for me, that's not
quite a resurrection story, but it'sat least signs of life. It's at
least I'm not pulling the plug atthis point. I'm gonna give it a
little bit to see if you know, more and more systems get online.
For me, if you had toldme that the Colts would play the Texans
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and the Jaguars and then get theirfirst win against Kansas City, yeah,
I would have bet all of mymoney on that, all of it.
I would not be like that wasjust the craziest thing about I think the
first three weeks the NFL season thatit's not even that the Colts are bad,
but this is just a weird.This is one of those outcomes that
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you just sort of look at thewhole NFL calendar to this point, we
go, that doesn't make any freakingsense. Let's move on. Yeah.
I always say about week books.Week one is great. We was so
why every week is wild in theNFL. Every week has results that just
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absolutely gob smack you, right,and by week seven, Week eight,
week ten, week twelve, youstart to go, oh, wait,
maybe it wasn't the you know,totally wild fluke that team a lost a
team be in week one because itturns out there better. And then also
there's you know, results that haveno correlation with future results. Sometimes a
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team just beats a team that theyshouldn't because it's the NFL, and there
are the ball takes, funny bounces, and strange things happen, and people
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of the games that we have notalready talked about, get a quick reaction
and a key takeaway what folks needto know. Let's go over right at
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the top, Bears twenty I wrotedown the score wrong, incorrect, Bears
twenty three, Texans twenty uh Texans. We're getting three points on pickwatch dot
com. So that is a pushagainst the spread. But that's a win
in the you know, big oldw for Chicago. They improved two and
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one, shatty, what do youthink both? He seemed like teams that
if you're going to give him twentypoints, there's no chance the offense is
going to match that. So goodosto them for pushing pushing that over about
as far as it can go.But just goods to the Chicago Bears.
I think Mattie Berflus was one ofmy top coaching candidates into the season.
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He has this team that is utterlybereft of talent, really believing they're a
good football team, which is fantasy, but good for them legitimately. About
Houston was headed for one and twofor a long time in this game,
like, oh cool, they're goingto tie again. That's weird and very
appropriate for the situation. But like, yeah, good for the Bears.
I mean, are they like theworst two in one team? Yes,
absolutely, but they're a whole lotbetter than they looked at her ago under
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Matt Nagi. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, very cool for Bears fans.
And you know, I have tosay, as a Justin Fields is
getting no help. He's a greattalent and a terrible situation. Uh you
know, Banner Carrier, Justin Fieldsnot half his best game even by his
own standards. And the running gameand defense was what it was supposed to
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be like this, This was theChicago Bears run first offense. The general
manager Ryan Poles and head coach Eberblues Uh seemed to be trying to build
and it worked to put them inspots to win, and they won.
Titans twenty four, Raiders twenty two. Titans clutch up a bit, get
yet big plays from from the playsthat they needed. Raiders were two point
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favorites that dropped and can that theyneeded to pick up. Samantha, what
do you think I remember we talkingabout panic button last week? Guys.
I mean the Raiders Yeah, ohmy gosh, I mean they are the
only and three team like smash andsmash and smash that panic button. They
looked awful. Uh. It turnsout that you can't just be like,
well, we have Davante Adams,so we don't need to do anything else.
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Everything's fine. Yikes. Um,So, second, Josh McDaniels era
are not off to a r M. I guess we'll see how this one
turns out. But I am very, very worried about the Raiders. They
are, you know, speaking ofa place you can't come back from.
They look like they're headed there now. Stealing this from colleague and former NFL
Director Player Personnel T McCreight, butthis is now Josh McDaniel's fourth I believe,
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losing streak of three or more gamesin his head coaching career. And
that's good. Like, that's notjust bad teams, that's your You do
not understand how to write the shipin a very systemic way, and I
think that votes really bad things forthis Raiders team. And either they needed
a lot more talent or he's gotto change some ways that he approaches the
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game and possibly both. Oh ithurts my heart, hurts heart you guys.
Vikings twenty eight Lions twenty four.Lions get out to a fourteen nothing
lead. They hold that lead theentire game. They blow that lead in
the last minute. Dan Campbell someaggressive decisions that mostly panned out throughout the
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game. On fourth down especially,and then he trots out replacement level kicker
Austin Siebert the career long of fiftythree to kick a fifty four yard field
goal rather than either pooch punt andtry and thin the vikings deep or go
for it and fourth and fourth andget the dagger that way, and predictably
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it plays out how it plays out, Samantha, Dan Campbell's Lions. Dan
Campbell tickets and he he was thefirst one to put it on himself.
What do you think? Yeah,this heard a little um, not super
worried about it. It wasn't likethe worst decision making I given those three
choices, It's probably not what Iwould have done, but you know it's
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he was playing an aggressive brand offootball the entire game. It mostly paid
off, as you said, SoI don't know. I think I would
have gone for it. And thento me, the conservative calls to pooch
punt not to kick the field goalthat you're not going to make there,
but hey, you know what,Like the Vikings are a pretty good team
too, and Alliance were right inthere and again and said you don't expect
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them to get there overnight. There'sgoing to be some stuff like this that's
going to go on. And really, I mean, yeah, I think
you need to take a hard lookat your defense and letting him back into
a game that you probably should havebeen able to control a little bit better.
Some clock management issues I think aswell. But on the whole,
yeah, Dan Campbell wore it ashe always does when clients don't do well,
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they're going to be fine, buttough luck loss right there. Yeah,
she probably has to be on Alliancepodcast this week because I've got more.
But I'll say this, Yeah,the meathead he man coach and then
trout out your kicker for a fiftyfour yard or like, that's not the
culture you're building. It's not thelike aura you're projecting. You can't be
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balls the wall ninety nine percent ofthe time and then when it really matters,
be a puts like that's just notwhat this team is built to do.
But at the end of the day, put the ball in the hands
of your best player. That's probablyJack Fox, Like at the end of
the day, that is still probablyyour best player. Pooch punt this one.
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Put him down inside like the tenyard line and figure it out.
At least give your defense a screamingchance at this one. Last, but
not least, I'll just say,the Lions are so close, but there's
still so much that they need,and so this is just not a competitive
year of football for them. They'restaying in games or three and oh against
the spread. But then you watchthis team and it's like, but they
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also need multiple help on the defensiveline, multiple help in the lineback,
and or multiple help in the defensivebackfield. Their offense is still not complete.
They need to get Jamison Williams back. They probably still need that quarterback.
As you know, Jared Goff isnot hit. So the fact that
it's the spread, I'll take.I don't know that we know that Jared
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Goff is it. He had apretty pretty pretty good game and is having
a pretty pretty pretty good season.Right before halftime, he took a deep
shot, had Josh Reynolds wide open, metal tip like three steps on the
defender. It was a little insideof him, but he appeared to lose
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it in the window filtered sun ofViking Boat Stadium and he just broke off
his route and the ball just hitthe turf and there's zero question if he'd
ran through it, he'd gotten toit, and that was that was a
stone cold touchdown. So you addsixty yards and a touchdown to goffs stats.
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He was already uty one tween seventyseven yards. He threw the pick
late, um, you know,and then the last second sort of you
know, we're trying to score atouchdown in forty second type situation. But
like that changes his stats. Thatchanges the game completely, obviously, just
in terms of pure points. Thatputs you over the top. With that
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touchdown, that probably would have beenthe dagger or close to it, and
you know, little missed opportunities likethat. I think golf is playing at
a pretty high level. But theother thing I want to say, analytics
wise, you know, even ifyou've got a fourth down box says fourth
down, box says kick it here, slightly overpunt, those things are trained
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on statistical norms and averages, andthe reality is most coaches don't have kickers
try fifty four fifty five sixty sixtythree yard field goals unless they have a
Justin Tucker, I'm Matt Trader,a Greg Zerline, a guy that they
know was hitting him from sixty andwarm ups right, And there is nothing
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about replacement level Austin Ziebert that makesyou think he's gonna go and kick a
career long in that spot after alcastingmixed one earlier in the game from much
closer. I like you have to. You can look at those numbers and
you can read that, all right, but you also still have to understand
the team that you got and whyand how it's different from the norms that
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those models are trained on. Allright, that's enough. That's enough.
Probaly need to put that much timeinto that game. Ravens thirty seven,
Patriots twenty six. Matt Jones orMatt Jones, No, not the coked
up wide receiver Mac Jones. ThePatriots quarterback has a high ankle sprain coming
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out of this one. Um,shaddy, what do you think? Yeah,
high ankle sprain is better than whatit looks like. Scouters the Patriots
for not losing their quarterback for theseason to a broken angle. Um,
but where is the Ravens defense,like Mike McDonald is a really good corda
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um, but they did not looklike the Ravens defense that we expect.
And I'm not sure what the issueis because they gave up a hunt of
deep shots. Last year we sawreceivers just running three with a Patriots offense
that had not looked good dating backto the first week of the preseason.
This is the first sign of lifethe Patriots offense has shown, and it's
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against the Ravens. That might bethe craziest thing we've seen in the first
couple of weeks the NFL season.Right, Yeah, Ravens secondary again again
two years in a row. Nowdifferent reason, but big problems there.
Potentially problems up front too, interestingly, and I think some scheming issues.
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But also can we talk about guiltcomplex mac Jones, about how like he
is at his best right after hehas done something really bad that he clearly
feels bad about and he needs tofor so weird brand of like I don't
know, like guilt driven, likeredemption performance. We keep seeing the Macons
very very weird. But yeah,that's that's a pretty big glow for New
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England regardless, even though as yousaid, not as bad as we feared
it was, but still not goodbecause that's going to keep him out for
a couple of weeks. Yeah,and not great. And I also think
we know this Patriots team is whowe thought they were. You know,
maybe Bill ball Check treats the firstmonth as preseason, but they are not
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going to be in a spot tocontent given away. The Bills and the
Dolphins are playing and the rest ofthe AFC stacks up. Ravens again,
Lamar is being Lamar, and heis silencing people who think he can't throw
the ball, but they're gonna haveto stop some people from throwing the ball
on the other side. Bengals twentyseven, Jets twelve. That's just about
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what we might have thought. Thefinal score line was some great individual plays.
Still, I don't think all isright in Cincinnati, Samantha, You
agree, I do, Yeah,I mean, no surprise on the game
here. The Jets are really bad, and we thought this would be the
get right game for Cincinnati, butman, they look it's not hard even
in a game like this that isn'tquite so it's against a really bad team
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To look at that Cincinnati team andsay, wow, there are a lot
of problems here. Problems on thedefensive, problems on the offensive line,
things that have not gone away,things that have gotten worse from a year
ago that did not look anything likefixed. This week. They just ran
into an opponent that was so badthat it didn't matter. It's almost like
Cincinnati is following their script from lastseason and it is just waiting for the
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rest of the league to get injuredso that they're down to their level.
Because exactly what we were talking aboutabout the Bengals in Week three, Week
four, week five of last season, and then they still got to the
super Bowl. So maybe they justhave better season long health than everybody and
get back there again. But yeah, I'll say this though, and I
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think a lot of people have madehay about the Jets really dominating the trenches
against the Bengals offensive line. That'sthe one thing that Jets do really well.
So entirely concerned about that because thatis just a tough matchup like Quentnin
Williams is not in every week occurrencein the NFL, Like unless you're Great
or the Rams or a handful ofothers, you don't have to deal with
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him or a player like him.There are many players like him in the
NFL, so it doesn't surprise me. It was a get right game for
the Bengals in the other two phasesof the game. But they really do
need a defense that is struggling ora defensive line that lacks step, that
lacks power for them probably have aget right game offensively. Nothing wrong with
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the Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts ishaving a get right game every single week.
The dude is on fire. Thedude is taking huge steps forward.
And you know Howie Roseman being like, I need people underneath me who will
make Jalen Hurts happen. This betappears to be paying off because it is
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happening. Eagles twenty four commanders,eight shatty Yeah, I cashed out undraftkiing
with like Jalen Hurts, and thensix players who had snowflake emojis because they
were so bad. Jalen Hurts hasthe best offensive line in the NFL in
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front of him, the deepest,maybe not the most talented, but definitely
the deepest running back group. Andjust like DeVante Smith's been invisible for two
weeks and then busts off a careerday, and A J. Brown also
had a good day of catching thefootball. So there's just so much talent
sort of and I'm not this isn'ta backhanded slap against both Hurts and Tua,
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but they both have just phenomenal supportingtasks around them that meet their skills,
that meet their talent level. Itis phenomenal to watch them play trigger
man to basically a Pro Bowl rosterat this point, Like just phenomenal job
at both of those front offices puttinggroups of their quarterbacks who had big question
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marks during the season. But thestory to me is still still that the
Eagles have this defensive backfield that alsolooks like a Pro Bowl team. And
as much as you love watching theEagles offense, then they go on defense
and it's like, what what areyou supposed to do? Like, what
are you supposed to do against them? Putting the ball in the air is
the stupidest thing in the world.But then they're gonna stop you against the
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run as well. Yeah, justincredible like team performance for the Eagles against
a terrible opponent. I mean,Carson Wentz had what negative sixteen net pass
yards at half, and then Ithink maybe negative wanted to do the game,
which is hilarious and terrible, butstill putting on a clinic for Philadelphia,
so pretty impressive. I mean,we're already starting to see the Jalen
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Hurts is MVP candidate, which islike, guys, no, no,
he's not Josh Allen. He's notAaron Rodgers. But you know what,
like that's not how football teams.But he doesn't have to be right like
you could. There are a lotof different ways to build a football team,
and one of them is to puta smart, competent quarterback out there
with a really really talented supporting cast, which is exactly what the Eagles have
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done. So it looked pretty unstoppablefor now. Yeah, it's it's exciting
to meet to see it. I'llcome together Philly, and I think once
again, if there was any doubtthat this is VT, even the AFC
East, and they're gonna be wellpositioned in terms of seeding because they're gonna
whomp up on every other team andthey're different. You know, that's hand
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in six wins right now and gofrom there. Panthers twenty two, Saints
fourteen. I think all three ofus have taken the Panthers to rise up
and do something interesting in each ofthese three weeks at one point or another.
I did this week. It finallyhappens, Samantha, what do you
think. Yeah, I got almostevery other game wrong this week, but
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I did get this one right.So finally the Panthers have showed up for
us. Great views Panthers offense sostill yeah, great, still thanks to
work out bakers. Look it alittle bit rough, but the Panthers defense
actually looks pretty solid. Shot You'vecalled this in the off season. I
think they look pretty darn good inNew Orleans, speaking of alarm gulls on
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a team that I think was likea fringey wild cardin hole full a look
like they are really really in trouble. I mean, we're already having the
oh do we have to confirm thatJamis is the cornerback conversation? Only in
week three? Not great, butyeah, I mean, pretty nice performance
I think by the Panthers to finallykind of get a win. They had
a couple of hard luck losses inthe first couple of weeks the season.
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The Jamis Winston experiment is over.I'm calling it now. He is that
rookie pitcher who threw a couple ofgood games early on, and then you
get the scouting tape on him andhe just starts getting shelled his second time
through the division. This is thisis rough. It is rough to watch
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the Saints offense, Like Crystal labIs a right spot. But I would
put the ball in the hands ofHandy Dalton every day and twice on Sundays
rather than continue to watch a hobbledJamis Winston with with literally broken bones in
his back to be fair continue torun. Yeah, what kind of sort
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of looks like an NFL offense.Yeah, I was gonna say, I
think the transverse You know, I'mnot sure that the Jamis Winston experiment is
over as much as the Jamis winsdexperiment has transverse fractures or multiple vertebrae like
it. It's incredibly difficult to,you know, even walk with that kind
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of injury, let alone run andthrow and do everything that you need your
spine to do as an NFL quarterback. But I do think it's very clear
that the Saints put all their eggsin the Jamis basket. And that is
a that is a that is aleaky basket. You know that is not
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the way you want all of youreggs in, whether it's injury or mentality
or even just you know. Wewe still have not seen Jameis Winston play
high level football for a whole seasonbetween injuries and everything else that's going on,
and New Orleans needed him to dothat for a whole season to beget
also a couple of miss I thinkI think the Saints started oh and two
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or oh and three on field goalattempts with this another one, tons of
missfield goals, tons of weird specialteams things. Panthers get a dub Jaguars
thirty eight charges Tad, I mygoodness, Shaddy, where do you start?
Doug Epeam for Coach the Year Likenot even close to this point,
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um or Meyer for the like worstcoaches ever? Also not close at this
point. Um. We are whattwenty ish months removed from Trevor Lawrence being
annointed the best terback prospect on theplanet ever, like not since Andrew Luck,
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but moving past like the best quarterbackprospect anyone had ever seen, and
we forgot for a full calendar yearthanks to Urban Meyer, that Trevor Lawrence
was that dude. And now he'spicking apart. What we all sort of
agreed was a really really good chargersecondary like eluding the pass rush that we
all sort of said was was,you know, elite after adding Khalil Mack.
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This was a dominant, full onperformance that had a lot to do
with Justin Herbert. You know,shouldn't have been out there. You know,
he should be arresting. The offensewould not have looked better without him,
but you know, he was gettingabsolutely pummeled from Jump Street. And
I love watching the Jacksonville Jaguars guys, I absolutely love it. Yeah,
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huge, huge credit to Don Peterson. I kind of I want to believe
in this instead of just being like, well, I mean the bar was
low, right, Like, ofcourse he's been buyer, but I think
we're a little beyond that. Butnow if we look over to the other
side, what I want to talkabout here as the Chargers and guys,
I'm going to say the thing thatnobody wants to hear, which is that
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I don't really think Brandon Staley isa very good coach. He's a great
talker, he's a great guy,but his decision making and part of that
is we've said a lot of reallyterrible in game decision making from him,
a lot of sort of misunderstanding ofhow to interpret the analytics and mismanagement of
the clock. Oh, lack oftaking advantage of the tremendous talent that we
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know this team has. And nowwe saw justin Herbert out there in a
situation where he never should have beenout there. So I have a lot
of questions about that coaching staff inLA going forward this. He was way
too talented to be performing the waythat they are, regardless of the injury
to Herbert. Yeah, and itwasn't just Herbert, right, They suffered
all kinds of injuries that came inthat They're starting center lost Reshawns. Later,
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their left tackle came in with noj C. Jackson corner. They
paid a bunch of money to bethe number one lost Joey Bosa. Right,
just Chargers just completely beat up andHerbert was not one hundred percent.
And then he started the game witha pick that was absolutely not his fault,
put it on Sony Michelle, andthere was this like whole just Keystone
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Cops slippery soap football routine and endedup being an interception, and everything just
kind of went downhill from there.Not the Chargers day. You look your
wounds, you come back another day. But I agree, guys Jags.
I took him against the spread,getting seven points and there was a blowout
win for them. Lookout NFL Ramstwenty Cardinals twelve. Cardinals were three and
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a half point favorites. We allliked the Cardinals last weekend. We all
did not like the Cardinals this week. Shaddy key takeaway from this. As
bad as the Rams have looked comparedto last season, there's still an uber
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talented football team. That being said, was there an offseason acquisition that was
more heralded and less effective than AllanRobinson Like? Cut him, just cut
him and bring Odell back. That'swhat I think we all need to see.
I think we're all all just waitingfor this Rams offense to wake up.
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I don't think it's just Matthew Stafford, but I think it's kind of
part Matthew Stafford, and they aregoing to win some games simply because they're
that much better than opponents and coachingtheir caliber of play, the game planning
aside, they're just more more talentedand they might need to limp along on
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chalk to get to the playoffs andthen figure some things out. Incredibly underwhelming
performance by both teams. That superscary NFC West that we thought was going
to happen is not happening. Um, It's mediocre Peo Bowl all over the
place out there. So it'll beinteresting to see which one of these kind
of emerges is the better team ultimatelythat Yeah, I can't stop thinking about
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the Like, Alan, weren't washed, you guys? I hope not,
but yeahikes, it sure looks likeit, doesn't it If Kenney Galladay and
Alan Robson have taught us anything,Adams stop, stop coaching, or a
NFC northwide receivers, it's just abad thing for your team. So I
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guess we have breaking news. We'lldig into this in just a second,
but tip me off to this.Thank you Shaddy putting to Adam Schefter.
The Pro Bowl is dead. Ripthe Pro Bowl. They're replacing it with
a skills competition, et cetera.There will be no Pro Bowl game.
We'll talk about that. Where acouple of games away from finishing up our
key takeaways of wrap that up beddedaround real quick Falcons twenty seven The Seahawks
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twenty three thought, let's get towin shott of your reaction. Uh,
Gino Smith was the best player inthe NFL for like fifty eight minutes and
then he was Ye, and that'sthe story of this game, that is.
Uh, we were all looking around, just like, is Gino Smith
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really gonna do this thing? Isthis who who he is? Now?
And then the Falcons were like,no, no he's not. And Coral
Patterson is maybe the best weapon onthe worst team. M Yeah, I
mean did this just come down thecoaching here? Like, is this just
Arthur Smith was a little bit sharperthan pet Carroll at this point? Probably
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yes, but yeah, yeah,Gino Smith, this is like two weeks
agar you almost through you know,two like one hitters. Um fell off
a little bit at the end,but yeah, I mean trash Bowl,
who cares, you know, numberone pickfole potentially not great. Yeah,
speaking of trash full a little bit. Packers fourteen bucks twelve last reaction we're
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going to get here, Um alot of ugliness, low scoring game.
Bucks were two point favorites. Packerswin night too shatty. Anything to take
away from this Tom Brady should havestayed retired Giselle was right. Yeah,
they need to get healthy if they'regonna have any chance. But Vitave dropping
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the coverage is the best moment ofthe NFL's young season so far. Yeah,
both of these teams have way toomuch talent on them to perform this
poorly again or another one of thosecontests who wants it? I don't want
it? Do you want it?No? I don't want it either.
But yeah, like, let's justthe Bucks really really in trouble. Brady
looks so washed, and the Packerslook as bad as I said they would.
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So you're welcome everyone. Very underwhelming. Okay, guys, we do
got to get keep think it wasgonna do this real quick. It's it's
as long as we normally go.Here on three and Out, we're twice
in the National NFL Podcast. EveryMonday morning, we did these live key
takeaways, breakdown every single game,tell you what you need to know to
record it. We put it inour feed at three outpod dot com,
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and then every week we do amidweek big show. We interview a big
guest, We pick every game straightup and against the spread, and also
bat around big topics in the NFL. This is a big topic. The
Pro Bowl is dead. Rip thePro Bowl, Samantha. I have to
know your thoughts. My thoughts arethat I don't care. I realize that
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this is like a big deal tosome people. I just can't understand who
those people are right now, Mlike, look, the Pro Bowl is
terrible. We don't need it.It's a bad product. Like there are
other sports that do all star gamesbetter baseball, basketball, And now we're
gonna do a flags football team,Like we don't need more bad football.
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That's all this is. It's thesame thing. It's just like here,
we can't play a real game,so now we're going to play a fake
game. Like is it better toplay flag I guess than to play and
I want everyone to spare me.They're like, oh, it's what the
kids do. Like no, no, nobody's confusing NFL players playing flag football
or whoever they're going to put intothis game to play flag football with,
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like what kids do. And theskills competition is yeah, that's the thing
we've been saying they should replace it, but really they should just wipe it
off the calendar, like nobody needsthis, So, yes, you are
right, it is a lost dateon the NFL calendar. Probably anything you
do isn't going to change that.That being said, I feel like this
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has the potential or at least ifif I'm you know, mind swapping Freaky
Fridaying with Roger Goodell. Right now, it hasn't been interest to solve two
problems. One the NFL has aPro Bowl problem that they're trying to fix,
and they have a fun problem thatthey're trying to fix. Like kids
don't watch not Nickelodeon football games,and that's this is potentially something that they
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could get into. Like the skillscompetition in any sport is always kind of
sort of fun, you know,the done contest usually does better than the
actual All Star game in NBA,I would rather watch a home run derby
than a meaningless All Star game,even if there's playoff implications involved in Major
League Baseball. And it's at leastthis is athleticism on full display in a
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flag football game rather than everyone's sortof going half speed in a real kind
of sort of football game. Whatmakes this potentially the coolest thing ever is
I want like alternating drives, likeoffensive skill position players go out on offense,
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then defensive skill position players go outon offense. Then offensive linemen go
out on offense, the defensive linemenand linebackers go out on offense. And
if you told me I'm getting aPro Bowl with like three offensive lineman fact
guy touchdowns or a Vita Vea goroute, I'm taking it. I'm taking
it all day long. This hasthe potential to be something very cool if
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the NFL, for once doesn't takethemselves too seriously. Yeah, I'm I'm
not gonna lie. I'm sad aboutthis. I love the Pro Bowl as
a kid, but I could thereare a few things. Just the economic
reality of the NFL change things,you know. Number one, part of
the excitement was and this is truein other leagues, and you know the
Baseball All Star Game as that freeagency changed the game where it used to
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be, Like you mean, Icould watch, you know, Brett Farve
throw to Michael Irvin, what youknow, Like I can see these combinations
of players that you would never everever see, you know, guys that
had spent five ten years battling headto head for wins and space. All
of a sudden, they're like outthere together, you know, play it
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on the same team. And obviouslythere were guys that were making millions of
dollars at the time, but nowyou're looking at like, okay, it's
it's one thing when a guy justsigned a seventeen million dollars four year contract.
It's another thing when a guy justsigned one hundred and seventy million dollars
fully guaranteed contract, you know,and it's like they've got their money.
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The owners don't want their assets hurt. The lineman do not want to go
full speed. You know. Itused to be after the Super Bowl,
which is like a really cool likeoh hey, like we thought football was
over, but here's a little thing. It doesn't even matter. It's not
used to be in Hawaii, whichwas cool had you know, football and
palm trees. The players liked it. It was a vacation, it was
(50:44):
a bonus. It was like,hey, we get to go out to
Hawaii, Like we don't get todo that at all. But I remember
the first time they had it inMiami after Hawaii, and ray Lewis is
like, I'm from Miami going toMiami. It's not fun for me,
Like that's not a vacation. Ican go to whenever the hell I want.
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The Hawaii is still special. Thebetter how rits you are? You
know, so, like they've they'vetried so many different formats and so many
different things over the years, butnobody's gonna take it seriously, nobody's gonna
put their bodies on the line.And seeing different players playing with different players.
It's just not the novelty it usedto be. And because we can't
have nice things, someone is totallynon contact Harry this one, and that
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one's probably gonna be over too.Yeah. Was it Robert Edwards that did
it us like twenty years ago?Because they were doing they tried that initially
flag football and then uh gets runningback, ripped every ligament that is in
indeed playing flag football as like aPro Bowl rookie, and everyone's like,
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maybe not so much anymore. It'stough, all right. Anybody in the
audience wanted to jump in and sayanything before we wrap it, go ahead
and raise your hand. If not, Shaddy Smith that you guys want to
get in anything else, I'll justtoss it out there that I think you're
absolutely right. I think it's actuallymoving it out of Hawaii. That was
the final death. Now, yeah, for the Pro Bowl, like it
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was deeply disappointing to me as aviewer when you turn it on and you're
like, oh, this is whatwe're doing now, this is terrible,
and the players were kind of upsetabout it. I had forgotten about what
a big deal that was, sothat may be the thing that actually killed
the Pro Bowl even more than therisk of injury days. Yeah, I
love seeing you know you're corn.You know, there's some great pictures in
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there. I used to love lookingthrough Getty, you know, working for
various outlets and searching for players andseeing oh yeah, Eli Manning looking incredibly
unnatural in lay, just all thesedifferent oh in the Hawaiian shirt and straw
hat. Yes, yeah, youjust get a guy if you are not
a natural bit for that island,like, she's great photo opportunities. Love
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topics and if I put it backto you and then come back wrap around
Monday morning, just like we're doingright now and act everything that we saw.
Guys, there's so many things toget to. I don't even know
where to start. I think wehave to start with this Samantha butt punt.
We got butt punt incredible, youguys. I mean in a weekend
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where we had we had the Rdlovskytoo. Last night on Saturday night in
college football, we had the world'sweirdest joint or as a stat director called
it, because it bounced off thetop of the upright in the Arkansas game.
The point tremendous us good, yeah, very strong. And then the
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butt punt. I mean, guys, something, is there anything better?
Okays such as ourselves? The buttpunt just incredible. I mean, this
whole game was interesting, and Imean it's a little bit while that in
somewhat gratifying in a way that theteam that committed the butt time ended up
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winning the game anyway, essentially becausethe other team ran out of time,
which was not great. Buffalo,I think looked a little bit lost.
And of course, when your rosteris kind of decimated by injuries and you
have no safeties, so that iscertainly a contributing factor to this. But
so but hey, well credit wherecredits to man instead of I see a
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lot of people talking about how theBills lost this game, and that's true
to an extent that like the Dolphinsreally showed up. I mean, I
am so impressed by the work thatMike Kathaniel has done so far this season
and Tua as well, although Iwill say he was clearly concussed and probably
should not have been in that gameat the end, so that feels a
little bit dicey, and I knowthe NFLPA is investigating that. But just
(02:53):
tremendous performance by the Dolphins, andthey are one of I believe there.
Well, there are three defeated teams. One of them is the Giants.
It's going tonight, so technically twoand three and our teams that's it,
Miami and Philadelphia. So pretty cool. Tide Shelter, you're too a true
fer. Yeah, I mean again, yes, I'm a too a truper.
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I wrote about you know, twofour five thirty eight last week,
Um, you know, in anticipationof this, And there's a lot of
a lot of things to take away. Number One still did throw deep.
It wasn't quite as any busted coveragesand free running as it was against the
Ravens, but it was still stillaggressive, still effective. Um, there
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were still some ugly moments in bothdirections. Um, And I think one
of the things that it was hardto not take away from this game is
that hard Rock Stadium is set upfor a massive home field advantage where the
opposing sideline is baking. In Miami, Son Bills are and of course the
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Buffalo Bills. They're up there,Buffalo. They're sweating, they're cramping,
they're you know, they're just goingthrough it physically from all the direct sunlight.
And nobody else in the stadium,not the Dolphins, not any of
the fans is getting that heat.So I don't know if that's incredibly clever
architecture, but it hasn't really metterit. Dolphins have been good enough for
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that to matter late in games,but here, I think it definitely did
help. As you said, Savantha, you know, Bill secondary guys are
cramping up, dropping the price.Even the offensive players were struggling to stay
with it. I think the Billsare still probably the most talented team in
football, probably the best team infootball. But it's a huge, huge
divisional win for a Miami team thatis absolutely for real. They're three and
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oh and even if they're a papertiger, you collect enough wins like these
and it doesn't matter. Shaddy,what do you think? I think I
have told this story on the programbefore, but when I moved to Florida,
it was like the first afternoon Ispent in the state. I looked
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out and here's a young man runningdown the side of the road in like
one hundred and ten degree heat,blazing house sun in the middle of the
afternoon, one hundred and ten percentimmunity. And I'm like, oh,
that's why football is so good downhere. It's a different breed, a
different breed. And if you're playingfootball in Idaho or Buffalo or any of
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the other various places that the Buffaloplayers spend their time, if it's not
Florida, you don't understand it.Texas, he dain't the same Arizona head
hint the same. They're different.They're still tough, but it's not the
same. And Miami has that bakedin pun intended advantage, and some coaches
(05:49):
deal with it very well. Yousee this sometimes as West Coast coaches bring
it over and I spend a coupleof days in the East to get acclimated
at the time. Who also sawit in the season when Bill Belichick brought
his team down to acclimate to theweather. You gotta think that extra step
ahead. And like you said,Miami's ever been good enough for this to
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really matter in a while, Andnow it all of a sudden really doesn't.
I think coaches for the rest ofthe season need to be on the
look up for this. So you'resaying that when Matt Patricia made his players
run laps outside and snow, thatwas the right call. Nothing, however,
and Lions head coaches their stadium,their stadium would have to allow snow
(06:35):
to get on the field for thattie. He didn't get that fun he
drove there. It was snowing outsidehis car. It's Matt Patricia. But
yeah, I think that's an excellentpoint in Just one last thing that I
thought was interesting and notable was thatthe Bills were in ninety offensive players in
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the Dolphins thirty nine piche interesting stYeah, I guess pushing tempo isn't always
an advantage. Yeah, that isdying all right. Next up, guys,
we cannot we cannot go without MartinSamantha, Content director NBC Sports works
(07:17):
as a producer in the control controlroom for Sunday Night Football. And we're
batting it around a little bit aswe started. You know, for for
much of this game, it wasnot much to watch, but then suddenly
it was a whole lot to watch. Sunday Night Football Oh my goodness,
(07:38):
we get the big upset, Weget Jimmy Garoppolo doing the dan Orlovsky dan
Orlovsky tweeting I'm free. I'm freebecause it finally, you know, uh
broke his paris to Denver Broncos.Get ugly, ugly win um shatty?
What was your what did you thinkabout this one? This game had it
(07:59):
all you like, you know,that's where you just you know, describe
a dumpster fyre as as a placeto party. This is really bad content,
Samantha. You did not do agreat job last night. I apologize.
You really need to control that.I know, guys, I'm sorry,
but I'm so sorry they were Thetakeaway I have from this game is
(08:24):
that the Denver Broncos defense is veryvery good. Their offense is still very
very bad. But I do thinkeven in light of the terrible you know,
dan Orlosky as moment, which JimmyG still has way better food of
pins than Dan. Oh, it'sit's not the same thing, the offense
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still looks better and more well roundedwith Jimmy G under center, like he's
getting the ball to his tight end, which is something Trey Lance didn't seem
to know how to do. He'sgetting the ball to various receivers like like
Brandon Yok, like Treylance and soearly returns. I think we're gonna have
a lot of boo birds, alot of people who never really liked Jimmy
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g or always thought it was belowaverage, who are going to come out
of the would work on this onelike the roaches they are. And some
of that is true, Like heis not the dude he I mean,
he's not Aaron Rodders, He's notJosh Allen. But the offense looked more
complete with him. It's just areally tough matchup against that Denver Broncos defense.
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And I thought this was always goingto be a really low scoring game.
I was worried all week because likeboth of my fantasy teams have just
stacked with forty nine Ers players andit was the weirdest guy ever. Like
I was trying to decide after thegame, was this a score Gami,
because I think there's one other timethat it happened, but it want it
was official Final Sports. I thinkthere was some shenanigans after the game that
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like made it not an official NFLfinal score. So kudos to the Bronco
it was, and the forty nineers for doing so many things that have
really just not been done, nota football field before. Yeah, I
mean imagining everyone coming in it likehalftime and seeing what what was the seven
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to five? That what is happeninghere? As the stream frozen? Like
what? This is terrible? Um? Yeah it's I went into the stadium
right right, and you're right,Sonny, it's not like we expected a
hugely high schooling game out of theseteams. I thought the defense would be
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pretty good. This is not exactlywhat I meant. Um, I was
a little bit surprised. I thoughtthe forty nine ers did not look great,
should have looked better. Um.You know, Nathaniel Hackett did not
necessarily look at any more competent thanhe did a week ago. He was
just quieter about it. Um,so there's that, I guess for Denver.
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Good for them, Um, theyhave won way more games and then
they should have. Um like whenlate gets to confidence or competence excuse me,
level and not competent either of thismorning. Um, but yeah,
look Jimmy, he's going to befine. The forty nine ers are going
to be fine. Um, I'mlike you, Sadi. You know,
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there's a sort of contingent to peoplethat because he's not elite um, they're
almost matter at him that if hewas just straight bad um, which is
weird. But this happens in theNFL, which these types of quarterbacks.
I feel like this comes up alot, and and he is, you
know, he has that Stafford guest. You know, he's good for just
one like completely bone headed throw agame where you're like, what were you
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doing there? But now he's yeah, he's done there a lotsky So it
happens, but uh, yeah,I think between the way that his teammates
and his coaches feel about him andthe way that he tend to perform on
a field, the forty Niners areinfinitely better off for the time being with
Jimmy Garoppolo under center, and Ithink they're going to be fine despite a
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rough loss. Here oh wait again, trying to pick through everything, trying
to make sure that we're not missinganything because there's so much to talk about.
Like if you had said Coults improvedto one one and one against the
Chiefs, I would have said thatwould have done our number one with a
bullet lead story for sure, andyet here we are that like kind of
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fairly makes three out of three andguys, yeah, Colts twenty, Chiefs
seventeen, all sorts of things misfiringhere. Um, you know, Matt
Ryan the kat and then rightfully soover first games took a ton of heat
again yesterday, Zack Bumble I managedto put things together just enough. They
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got contributions from a lot of players. And then on the other side of
the ball, you know, DaveTobe, the Special team's coach and assistant
head coach for Kansas City, hasbeen marked as like one of the guys
that should be getting head coaching mentions, but like you know, maybe gets
an interview every once in a while. They've got two of those guys out
there staff, you know what Imean. Um, they last night specialty
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just horrible for Kansas City. Theyhad a buffed hunt. Um they had
a specialty fake punt throw on fourthand eleven. Work out there's a fake
field goal. Uh, Matt Avendolafield goal tiger, really really rough,
missed extra point, missed a thirtyfour yarder. Because we could probably do
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a whole nother show about missed fieldgoals, just absolutely bananas. Numbers of
miss field goals in key spots andnon key spots yesterday kickers across the league.
But ultimately the Chiefs cannot get itdone. Just when they kind of
convinced everyone that like, oh yeah, cool, this is Tyreek Hill.
Whoever, who cares they can rollout of it at score forty and anybody.
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Still, just as we had finallygot com maybe the Colts are terrible
instead of very good. They comeup with a big, big win,
and I think maybe if you'd switchedaround who these results were against the one
one and one, I think maybenobody would be all that worried about the
Colts. Think about the yeah andguys, and very relieved my launch at
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Super Bowl. Pick has resurrected itselfand come back from the debt. So
let's and fight another day. Butand also, you know, speaking of
content, somebody write that down atthis ticker thing. Let's let's talk about
this at some point where we don'thave so much on or agen. It's
just a complete and total kicker meltout of twenty twenty two. But yeah,
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I mean, look, I wantto be excited and say the Colts
are fixed. Um, I willsay, it's incredible what a difference it
makes when you actually have your widereceivers present and available football game. That's
very helpful. So, um,that was good. Uh. The offensive
line seemed to come together a littlebit better, defensive better. Uh.
The other thing was the Chiefs tryvery hard. We kind of alluded to
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this with the special teams cons atevery time to give this game away to
the Colts, and for about eightypercent of the game the Colts We're like,
no, thanks, we're good.We don't want it either. Not
the greatest performance out of either teamhere, but I think the Colts needed
this, like so so badly soand Oinoid states not for Kin City.
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They're going to be fine. Ithink they have some questions they need to
answer, particularly about special teams,just absolute mess out there, something they
need to work on going forward.But mostly I'm just kind of relieved for
the Colts, who really, reallywe're in danger of falling into a hole
that they could not find back outof. So I'm excited that in this
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one, just because it's the firsttime the Colts defense really stepped up.
Both the defensive line, which playedso poorly all season, didn't look terrible
against a pretty rough Kansas City offensivefront, but also just the entire defense.
In the post Matt eberflus Era hasnot looked this good and made Patrick
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Mahomes look like a human being.So yeah, for me, that's not
quite a resurrection story, but it'sat least signs of life. It's at
least I'm not pulling the plug atthis point. I'm gonna give it a
little bit to see if you know, more and more systems get online.
For me, if you had toldme that the Colts would play the Texans
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and the Jaguars and then get theirfirst win against Kansas City, yeah,
I would have bet all of mymoney on that, all of it.
I would not be like that wasjust the craziest thing about I think the
first three weeks the NFL season thatit's not even that the Colts are bad,
but this is just a weird.This is one of those outcomes that
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you just sort of look at thewhole NFL calendar to this point, we
go, that doesn't make any freakingsense. Let's move on. Yeah.
I always say about week books.Week one is great. We was so
why every week is wild in theNFL. Every week has results that just
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absolutely gob smack you, right,and by week seven, Week eight,
week ten, week twelve, youstart to go, oh, wait,
maybe it wasn't the you know,totally wild fluke that team a lost a
team be in week one because itturns out there better. And then also
there's you know, results that haveno correlation with future results. Sometimes a
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team just beats a team that theyshouldn't because it's the NFL, and there
are the ball takes, funny bounces, and strange things happen, and people
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the top, Bears twenty I wrotedown the score wrong, incorrect, Bears
twenty three, Texans twenty uh Texans. We're getting three points on pickwatch dot
com. So that is a pushagainst the spread. But that's a win
in the you know, big oldw for Chicago. They improved two and
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one, shatty, what do youthink both? He seemed like teams that
if you're going to give him twentypoints, there's no chance the offense is
going to match that. So goodosto them for pushing pushing that over about
as far as it can go.But just goods to the Chicago Bears.
I think Mattie Berflus was one ofmy top coaching candidates into the season.
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He has this team that is utterlybereft of talent, really believing they're a
good football team, which is fantasy, but good for them legitimately. About
Houston was headed for one and twofor a long time in this game,
like, oh cool, they're goingto tie again. That's weird and very
appropriate for the situation. But like, yeah, good for the Bears.
I mean, are they like theworst two in one team? Yes,
absolutely, but they're a whole lotbetter than they looked at her ago under
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Matt Nagi. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, very cool for Bears fans.
And you know, I have tosay, as a Justin Fields is
getting no help. He's a greattalent and a terrible situation. Uh you
know, Banner Carrier, Justin Fieldsnot half his best game even by his
own standards. And the running gameand defense was what it was supposed to
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be like this, This was theChicago Bears run first offense. The general
manager Ryan Poles and head coach Eberblues Uh seemed to be trying to build
and it worked to put them inspots to win, and they won.
Titans twenty four, Raiders twenty two. Titans clutch up a bit, get
yet big plays from from the playsthat they needed. Raiders were two point
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favorites that dropped and can that theyneeded to pick up. Samantha, what
do you think I remember we talkingabout panic button last week? Guys.
I mean the Raiders Yeah, ohmy gosh, I mean they are the
only and three team like smash andsmash and smash that panic button. They
looked awful. Uh. It turnsout that you can't just be like,
well, we have Davante Adams,so we don't need to do anything else.
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Everything's fine. Yikes. Um,So, second, Josh McDaniels era
are not off to a r M. I guess we'll see how this one
turns out. But I am very, very worried about the Raiders. They
are, you know, speaking ofa place you can't come back from.
They look like they're headed there now. Stealing this from colleague and former NFL
Director Player Personnel T McCreight, butthis is now Josh McDaniel's fourth I believe,
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losing streak of three or more gamesin his head coaching career. And
that's good. Like, that's notjust bad teams, that's your You do
not understand how to write the shipin a very systemic way, and I
think that votes really bad things forthis Raiders team. And either they needed
a lot more talent or he's gotto change some ways that he approaches the
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game and possibly both. Oh ithurts my heart, hurts heart you guys.
Vikings twenty eight Lions twenty four.Lions get out to a fourteen nothing
lead. They hold that lead theentire game. They blow that lead in
the last minute. Dan Campbell someaggressive decisions that mostly panned out throughout the
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game. On fourth down especially,and then he trots out replacement level kicker
Austin Siebert the career long of fiftythree to kick a fifty four yard field
goal rather than either pooch punt andtry and thin the vikings deep or go
for it and fourth and fourth andget the dagger that way, and predictably
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it plays out how it plays out, Samantha, Dan Campbell's Lions. Dan
Campbell tickets and he he was thefirst one to put it on himself.
What do you think? Yeah,this heard a little um, not super
worried about it. It wasn't likethe worst decision making I given those three
choices, It's probably not what Iwould have done, but you know it's
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he was playing an aggressive brand offootball the entire game. It mostly paid
off, as you said, SoI don't know. I think I would
have gone for it. And thento me, the conservative calls to pooch
punt not to kick the field goalthat you're not going to make there,
but hey, you know what,Like the Vikings are a pretty good team
too, and Alliance were right inthere and again and said you don't expect
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them to get there overnight. There'sgoing to be some stuff like this that's
going to go on. And really, I mean, yeah, I think
you need to take a hard lookat your defense and letting him back into
a game that you probably should havebeen able to control a little bit better.
Some clock management issues I think aswell. But on the whole,
yeah, Dan Campbell wore it ashe always does when clients don't do well,
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they're going to be fine, buttough luck loss right there. Yeah,
she probably has to be on Alliancepodcast this week because I've got more.
But I'll say this, Yeah,the meathead he man coach and then
trout out your kicker for a fiftyfour yard or like, that's not the
culture you're building. It's not thelike aura you're projecting. You can't be
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balls the wall ninety nine percent ofthe time and then when it really matters,
be a puts like that's just notwhat this team is built to do.
But at the end of the day, put the ball in the hands
of your best player. That's probablyJack Fox, Like at the end of
the day, that is still probablyyour best player. Pooch punt this one.
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Put him down inside like the tenyard line and figure it out.
At least give your defense a screamingchance at this one. Last, but
not least, I'll just say,the Lions are so close, but there's
still so much that they need,and so this is just not a competitive
year of football for them. They'restaying in games or three and oh against
the spread. But then you watchthis team and it's like, but they
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also need multiple help on the defensiveline, multiple help in the lineback,
and or multiple help in the defensivebackfield. Their offense is still not complete.
They need to get Jamison Williams back. They probably still need that quarterback.
As you know, Jared Goff isnot hit. So the fact that
it's the spread, I'll take.I don't know that we know that Jared
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Goff is it. He had apretty pretty pretty good game and is having
a pretty pretty pretty good season.Right before halftime, he took a deep
shot, had Josh Reynolds wide open, metal tip like three steps on the
defender. It was a little insideof him, but he appeared to lose
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it in the window filtered sun ofViking Boat Stadium and he just broke off
his route and the ball just hitthe turf and there's zero question if he'd
ran through it, he'd gotten toit, and that was that was a
stone cold touchdown. So you addsixty yards and a touchdown to goffs stats.
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He was already uty one tween seventyseven yards. He threw the pick
late, um, you know,and then the last second sort of you
know, we're trying to score atouchdown in forty second type situation. But
like that changes his stats. Thatchanges the game completely, obviously, just
in terms of pure points. Thatputs you over the top. With that
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touchdown, that probably would have beenthe dagger or close to it, and
you know, little missed opportunities likethat. I think golf is playing at
a pretty high level. But theother thing I want to say, analytics
wise, you know, even ifyou've got a fourth down box says fourth
down, box says kick it here, slightly overpunt, those things are trained
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on statistical norms and averages, andthe reality is most coaches don't have kickers
try fifty four fifty five sixty sixtythree yard field goals unless they have a
Justin Tucker, I'm Matt Trader,a Greg Zerline, a guy that they
know was hitting him from sixty andwarm ups right, And there is nothing
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about replacement level Austin Ziebert that makesyou think he's gonna go and kick a
career long in that spot after alcastingmixed one earlier in the game from much
closer. I like you have to. You can look at those numbers and
you can read that, all right, but you also still have to understand
the team that you got and whyand how it's different from the norms that
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those models are trained on. Allright, that's enough. That's enough.
Probaly need to put that much timeinto that game. Ravens thirty seven,
Patriots twenty six. Matt Jones orMatt Jones, No, not the coked
up wide receiver Mac Jones. ThePatriots quarterback has a high ankle sprain coming
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out of this one. Um,shaddy, what do you think? Yeah,
high ankle sprain is better than whatit looks like. Scouters the Patriots
for not losing their quarterback for theseason to a broken angle. Um,
but where is the Ravens defense,like Mike McDonald is a really good corda
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um, but they did not looklike the Ravens defense that we expect.
And I'm not sure what the issueis because they gave up a hunt of
deep shots. Last year we sawreceivers just running three with a Patriots offense
that had not looked good dating backto the first week of the preseason.
This is the first sign of lifethe Patriots offense has shown, and it's
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against the Ravens. That might bethe craziest thing we've seen in the first
couple of weeks the NFL season.Right, Yeah, Ravens secondary again again
two years in a row. Nowdifferent reason, but big problems there.
Potentially problems up front too, interestingly, and I think some scheming issues.
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But also can we talk about guiltcomplex mac Jones, about how like he
is at his best right after hehas done something really bad that he clearly
feels bad about and he needs tofor so weird brand of like I don't
know, like guilt driven, likeredemption performance. We keep seeing the Macons
very very weird. But yeah,that's that's a pretty big glow for New
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England regardless, even though as yousaid, not as bad as we feared
it was, but still not goodbecause that's going to keep him out for
a couple of weeks. Yeah,and not great. And I also think
we know this Patriots team is whowe thought they were. You know,
maybe Bill ball Check treats the firstmonth as preseason, but they are not
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going to be in a spot tocontent given away. The Bills and the
Dolphins are playing and the rest ofthe AFC stacks up. Ravens again,
Lamar is being Lamar, and heis silencing people who think he can't throw
the ball, but they're gonna haveto stop some people from throwing the ball
on the other side. Bengals twentyseven, Jets twelve. That's just about
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what we might have thought. Thefinal score line was some great individual plays.
Still, I don't think all isright in Cincinnati, Samantha, You
agree, I do, Yeah,I mean, no surprise on the game
here. The Jets are really bad, and we thought this would be the
get right game for Cincinnati, butman, they look it's not hard even
in a game like this that isn'tquite so it's against a really bad team
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To look at that Cincinnati team andsay, wow, there are a lot
of problems here. Problems on thedefensive, problems on the offensive line,
things that have not gone away,things that have gotten worse from a year
ago that did not look anything likefixed. This week. They just ran
into an opponent that was so badthat it didn't matter. It's almost like
Cincinnati is following their script from lastseason and it is just waiting for the
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rest of the league to get injuredso that they're down to their level.
Because exactly what we were talking aboutabout the Bengals in Week three, Week
four, week five of last season, and then they still got to the
super Bowl. So maybe they justhave better season long health than everybody and
get back there again. But yeah, I'll say this though, and I
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think a lot of people have madehay about the Jets really dominating the trenches
against the Bengals offensive line. That'sthe one thing that Jets do really well.
So entirely concerned about that because thatis just a tough matchup like Quentnin
Williams is not in every week occurrencein the NFL, Like unless you're Great
or the Rams or a handful ofothers, you don't have to deal with
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him or a player like him.There are many players like him in the
NFL, so it doesn't surprise me. It was a get right game for
the Bengals in the other two phasesof the game. But they really do
need a defense that is struggling ora defensive line that lacks step, that
lacks power for them probably have aget right game offensively. Nothing wrong with
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the Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts ishaving a get right game every single week.
The dude is on fire. Thedude is taking huge steps forward.
And you know Howie Roseman being like, I need people underneath me who will
make Jalen Hurts happen. This betappears to be paying off because it is
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happening. Eagles twenty four commanders,eight shatty Yeah, I cashed out undraftkiing
with like Jalen Hurts, and thensix players who had snowflake emojis because they
were so bad. Jalen Hurts hasthe best offensive line in the NFL in
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front of him, the deepest,maybe not the most talented, but definitely
the deepest running back group. Andjust like DeVante Smith's been invisible for two
weeks and then busts off a careerday, and A J. Brown also
had a good day of catching thefootball. So there's just so much talent
sort of and I'm not this isn'ta backhanded slap against both Hurts and Tua,
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but they both have just phenomenal supportingtasks around them that meet their skills,
that meet their talent level. Itis phenomenal to watch them play trigger
man to basically a Pro Bowl rosterat this point, Like just phenomenal job
at both of those front offices puttinggroups of their quarterbacks who had big question
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marks during the season. But thestory to me is still still that the
Eagles have this defensive backfield that alsolooks like a Pro Bowl team. And
as much as you love watching theEagles offense, then they go on defense
and it's like, what what areyou supposed to do? Like, what
are you supposed to do against them? Putting the ball in the air is
the stupidest thing in the world.But then they're gonna stop you against the
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run as well. Yeah, justincredible like team performance for the Eagles against
a terrible opponent. I mean,Carson Wentz had what negative sixteen net pass
yards at half, and then Ithink maybe negative wanted to do the game,
which is hilarious and terrible, butstill putting on a clinic for Philadelphia,
so pretty impressive. I mean,we're already starting to see the Jalen
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Hurts is MVP candidate, which islike, guys, no, no,
he's not Josh Allen. He's notAaron Rodgers. But you know what,
like that's not how football teams.But he doesn't have to be right like
you could. There are a lotof different ways to build a football team,
and one of them is to puta smart, competent quarterback out there
with a really really talented supporting cast, which is exactly what the Eagles have
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done. So it looked pretty unstoppablefor now. Yeah, it's it's exciting
to meet to see it. I'llcome together Philly, and I think once
again, if there was any doubtthat this is VT, even the AFC
East, and they're gonna be wellpositioned in terms of seeding because they're gonna
whomp up on every other team andthey're different. You know, that's hand
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in six wins right now and gofrom there. Panthers twenty two, Saints
fourteen. I think all three ofus have taken the Panthers to rise up
and do something interesting in each ofthese three weeks at one point or another.
I did this week. It finallyhappens, Samantha, what do you
think. Yeah, I got almostevery other game wrong this week, but
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I did get this one right.So finally the Panthers have showed up for
us. Great views Panthers offense sostill yeah, great, still thanks to
work out bakers. Look it alittle bit rough, but the Panthers defense
actually looks pretty solid. Shot You'vecalled this in the off season. I
think they look pretty darn good inNew Orleans, speaking of alarm gulls on
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a team that I think was likea fringey wild cardin hole full a look
like they are really really in trouble. I mean, we're already having the
oh do we have to confirm thatJamis is the cornerback conversation? Only in
week three? Not great, butyeah, I mean, pretty nice performance
I think by the Panthers to finallykind of get a win. They had
a couple of hard luck losses inthe first couple of weeks the season.
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The Jamis Winston experiment is over.I'm calling it now. He is that
rookie pitcher who threw a couple ofgood games early on, and then you
get the scouting tape on him andhe just starts getting shelled his second time
through the division. This is thisis rough. It is rough to watch
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the Saints offense, Like Crystal labIs a right spot. But I would
put the ball in the hands ofHandy Dalton every day and twice on Sundays
rather than continue to watch a hobbledJamis Winston with with literally broken bones in
his back to be fair continue torun. Yeah, what kind of sort
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of looks like an NFL offense.Yeah, I was gonna say, I
think the transverse You know, I'mnot sure that the Jamis Winston experiment is
over as much as the Jamis winsdexperiment has transverse fractures or multiple vertebrae like
it. It's incredibly difficult to,you know, even walk with that kind
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of injury, let alone run andthrow and do everything that you need your
spine to do as an NFL quarterback. But I do think it's very clear
that the Saints put all their eggsin the Jamis basket. And that is
a that is a that is aleaky basket. You know that is not
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the way you want all of youreggs in, whether it's injury or mentality
or even just you know. Wewe still have not seen Jameis Winston play
high level football for a whole seasonbetween injuries and everything else that's going on,
and New Orleans needed him to dothat for a whole season to beget
also a couple of miss I thinkI think the Saints started oh and two
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or oh and three on field goalattempts with this another one, tons of
missfield goals, tons of weird specialteams things. Panthers get a dub Jaguars
thirty eight charges Tad, I mygoodness, Shaddy, where do you start?
Doug Epeam for Coach the Year Likenot even close to this point,
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um or Meyer for the like worstcoaches ever? Also not close at this
point. Um. We are whattwenty ish months removed from Trevor Lawrence being
annointed the best terback prospect on theplanet ever, like not since Andrew Luck,
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but moving past like the best quarterbackprospect anyone had ever seen, and
we forgot for a full calendar yearthanks to Urban Meyer, that Trevor Lawrence
was that dude. And now he'spicking apart. What we all sort of
agreed was a really really good chargersecondary like eluding the pass rush that we
all sort of said was was,you know, elite after adding Khalil Mack.
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This was a dominant, full onperformance that had a lot to do
with Justin Herbert. You know,shouldn't have been out there. You know,
he should be arresting. The offensewould not have looked better without him,
but you know, he was gettingabsolutely pummeled from Jump Street. And
I love watching the Jacksonville Jaguars guys, I absolutely love it. Yeah,
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huge, huge credit to Don Peterson. I kind of I want to believe
in this instead of just being like, well, I mean the bar was
low, right, Like, ofcourse he's been buyer, but I think
we're a little beyond that. Butnow if we look over to the other
side, what I want to talkabout here as the Chargers and guys,
I'm going to say the thing thatnobody wants to hear, which is that
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I don't really think Brandon Staley isa very good coach. He's a great
talker, he's a great guy,but his decision making and part of that
is we've said a lot of reallyterrible in game decision making from him,
a lot of sort of misunderstanding ofhow to interpret the analytics and mismanagement of
the clock. Oh, lack oftaking advantage of the tremendous talent that we
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know this team has. And nowwe saw justin Herbert out there in a
situation where he never should have beenout there. So I have a lot
of questions about that coaching staff inLA going forward this. He was way
too talented to be performing the waythat they are, regardless of the injury
to Herbert. Yeah, and itwasn't just Herbert, right, They suffered
all kinds of injuries that came inthat They're starting center lost Reshawns. Later,
(41:00):
their left tackle came in with noj C. Jackson corner. They
paid a bunch of money to bethe number one lost Joey Bosa. Right,
just Chargers just completely beat up andHerbert was not one hundred percent.
And then he started the game witha pick that was absolutely not his fault,
put it on Sony Michelle, andthere was this like whole just Keystone
(41:22):
Cops slippery soap football routine and endedup being an interception, and everything just
kind of went downhill from there.Not the Chargers day. You look your
wounds, you come back another day. But I agree, guys Jags.
I took him against the spread,getting seven points and there was a blowout
win for them. Lookout NFL Ramstwenty Cardinals twelve. Cardinals were three and
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a half point favorites. We allliked the Cardinals last weekend. We all
did not like the Cardinals this week. Shaddy key takeaway from this. As
bad as the Rams have looked comparedto last season, there's still an uber
(42:07):
talented football team. That being said, was there an offseason acquisition that was
more heralded and less effective than AllanRobinson Like? Cut him, just cut
him and bring Odell back. That'swhat I think we all need to see.
I think we're all all just waitingfor this Rams offense to wake up.
(42:30):
I don't think it's just Matthew Stafford, but I think it's kind of
part Matthew Stafford, and they aregoing to win some games simply because they're
that much better than opponents and coachingtheir caliber of play, the game planning
aside, they're just more more talentedand they might need to limp along on
(42:52):
chalk to get to the playoffs andthen figure some things out. Incredibly underwhelming
performance by both teams. That superscary NFC West that we thought was going
to happen is not happening. Um, It's mediocre Peo Bowl all over the
place out there. So it'll beinteresting to see which one of these kind
of emerges is the better team ultimatelythat Yeah, I can't stop thinking about
(43:14):
the Like, Alan, weren't washed, you guys? I hope not,
but yeahikes, it sure looks likeit, doesn't it If Kenney Galladay and
Alan Robson have taught us anything,Adams stop, stop coaching, or a
NFC northwide receivers, it's just abad thing for your team. So I
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guess we have breaking news. We'lldig into this in just a second,
but tip me off to this.Thank you Shaddy putting to Adam Schefter.
The Pro Bowl is dead. Ripthe Pro Bowl. They're replacing it with
a skills competition, et cetera.There will be no Pro Bowl game.
We'll talk about that. Where acouple of games away from finishing up our
key takeaways of wrap that up beddedaround real quick Falcons twenty seven The Seahawks
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twenty three thought, let's get towin shott of your reaction. Uh,
Gino Smith was the best player inthe NFL for like fifty eight minutes and
then he was Ye, and that'sthe story of this game, that is.
Uh, we were all looking around, just like, is Gino Smith
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really gonna do this thing? Isthis who who he is? Now?
And then the Falcons were like,no, no he's not. And Coral
Patterson is maybe the best weapon onthe worst team. M Yeah, I
mean did this just come down thecoaching here? Like, is this just
Arthur Smith was a little bit sharperthan pet Carroll at this point? Probably
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yes, but yeah, yeah,Gino Smith, this is like two weeks
agar you almost through you know,two like one hitters. Um fell off
a little bit at the end,but yeah, I mean trash Bowl,
who cares, you know, numberone pickfole potentially not great. Yeah,
speaking of trash full a little bit. Packers fourteen bucks twelve last reaction we're
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going to get here, Um alot of ugliness, low scoring game.
Bucks were two point favorites. Packerswin night too shatty. Anything to take
away from this Tom Brady should havestayed retired Giselle was right. Yeah,
they need to get healthy if they'regonna have any chance. But Vitave dropping
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the coverage is the best moment ofthe NFL's young season so far. Yeah,
both of these teams have way toomuch talent on them to perform this
poorly again or another one of thosecontests who wants it? I don't want
it? Do you want it?No? I don't want it either.
But yeah, like, let's justthe Bucks really really in trouble. Brady
looks so washed, and the Packerslook as bad as I said they would.
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So you're welcome everyone. Very underwhelming. Okay, guys, we do
got to get keep think it wasgonna do this real quick. It's it's
as long as we normally go.Here on three and Out, we're twice
in the National NFL Podcast. EveryMonday morning, we did these live key
takeaways, breakdown every single game,tell you what you need to know to
record it. We put it inour feed at three outpod dot com,
(46:15):
and then every week we do amidweek big show. We interview a big
guest, We pick every game straightup and against the spread, and also
bat around big topics in the NFL. This is a big topic. The
Pro Bowl is dead. Rip thePro Bowl, Samantha. I have to
know your thoughts. My thoughts arethat I don't care. I realize that
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this is like a big deal tosome people. I just can't understand who
those people are right now, Mlike, look, the Pro Bowl is
terrible. We don't need it.It's a bad product. Like there are
other sports that do all star gamesbetter baseball, basketball, And now we're
gonna do a flags football team,Like we don't need more bad football.
(46:59):
That's all this is. It's thesame thing. It's just like here,
we can't play a real game,so now we're going to play a fake
game. Like is it better toplay flag I guess than to play and
I want everyone to spare me.They're like, oh, it's what the
kids do. Like no, no, nobody's confusing NFL players playing flag football
or whoever they're going to put intothis game to play flag football with,
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like what kids do. And theskills competition is yeah, that's the thing
we've been saying they should replace it, but really they should just wipe it
off the calendar, like nobody needsthis, So, yes, you are
right, it is a lost dateon the NFL calendar. Probably anything you
do isn't going to change that.That being said, I feel like this
(47:43):
has the potential or at least ifif I'm you know, mind swapping Freaky
Fridaying with Roger Goodell. Right now, it hasn't been interest to solve two
problems. One the NFL has aPro Bowl problem that they're trying to fix,
and they have a fun problem thatthey're trying to fix. Like kids
don't watch not Nickelodeon football games,and that's this is potentially something that they
(48:07):
could get into. Like the skillscompetition in any sport is always kind of
sort of fun, you know,the done contest usually does better than the
actual All Star game in NBA,I would rather watch a home run derby
than a meaningless All Star game,even if there's playoff implications involved in Major
League Baseball. And it's at leastthis is athleticism on full display in a
(48:31):
flag football game rather than everyone's sortof going half speed in a real kind
of sort of football game. Whatmakes this potentially the coolest thing ever is
I want like alternating drives, likeoffensive skill position players go out on offense,
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then defensive skill position players go outon offense. Then offensive linemen go
out on offense, the defensive linemenand linebackers go out on offense. And
if you told me I'm getting aPro Bowl with like three offensive lineman fact
guy touchdowns or a Vita Vea goroute, I'm taking it. I'm taking
it all day long. This hasthe potential to be something very cool if
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the NFL, for once doesn't takethemselves too seriously. Yeah, I'm I'm
not gonna lie. I'm sad aboutthis. I love the Pro Bowl as
a kid, but I could thereare a few things. Just the economic
reality of the NFL change things,you know. Number one, part of
the excitement was and this is truein other leagues, and you know the
Baseball All Star Game as that freeagency changed the game where it used to
(49:37):
be, Like you mean, Icould watch, you know, Brett Farve
throw to Michael Irvin, what youknow, Like I can see these combinations
of players that you would never everever see, you know, guys that
had spent five ten years battling headto head for wins and space. All
of a sudden, they're like outthere together, you know, play it
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on the same team. And obviouslythere were guys that were making millions of
dollars at the time, but nowyou're looking at like, okay, it's
it's one thing when a guy justsigned a seventeen million dollars four year contract.
It's another thing when a guy justsigned one hundred and seventy million dollars
fully guaranteed contract, you know,and it's like they've got their money.
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The owners don't want their assets hurt. The lineman do not want to go
full speed. You know. Itused to be after the Super Bowl,
which is like a really cool likeoh hey, like we thought football was
over, but here's a little thing. It doesn't even matter. It's not
used to be in Hawaii, whichwas cool had you know, football and
palm trees. The players liked it. It was a vacation, it was
(50:44):
a bonus. It was like,hey, we get to go out to
Hawaii, Like we don't get todo that at all. But I remember
the first time they had it inMiami after Hawaii, and ray Lewis is
like, I'm from Miami going toMiami. It's not fun for me,
Like that's not a vacation. Ican go to whenever the hell I want.
(51:04):
The Hawaii is still special. Thebetter how rits you are? You
know, so, like they've they'vetried so many different formats and so many
different things over the years, butnobody's gonna take it seriously, nobody's gonna
put their bodies on the line.And seeing different players playing with different players.
It's just not the novelty it usedto be. And because we can't
have nice things, someone is totallynon contact Harry this one, and that
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one's probably gonna be over too.Yeah. Was it Robert Edwards that did
it us like twenty years ago?Because they were doing they tried that initially
flag football and then uh gets runningback, ripped every ligament that is in
indeed playing flag football as like aPro Bowl rookie, and everyone's like,
(51:52):
maybe not so much anymore. It'stough, all right. Anybody in the
audience wanted to jump in and sayanything before we wrap it, go ahead
and raise your hand. If not, Shaddy Smith that you guys want to
get in anything else, I'll justtoss it out there that I think you're
absolutely right. I think it's actuallymoving it out of Hawaii. That was
the final death. Now, yeah, for the Pro Bowl, like it
(52:13):
was deeply disappointing to me as aviewer when you turn it on and you're
like, oh, this is whatwe're doing now, this is terrible,
and the players were kind of upsetabout it. I had forgotten about what
a big deal that was, sothat may be the thing that actually killed
the Pro Bowl even more than therisk of injury days. Yeah, I
love seeing you know you're corn.You know, there's some great pictures in
(52:37):
there. I used to love lookingthrough Getty, you know, working for
various outlets and searching for players andseeing oh yeah, Eli Manning looking incredibly
unnatural in lay, just all thesedifferent oh in the Hawaiian shirt and straw
hat. Yes, yeah, youjust get a guy if you are not
a natural bit for that island,like, she's great photo opportunities. Love
(53:01):
it all right, Well, ithas been a great opportunity to chop it
up with all you guys, Shaddy, Samantha, thank you for taking extra
time to talk about that. Wewere almost a full hour key Takeaways,
break down everything plus to the ProBowl. This is going to go in
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