Ep. 101-I Ran (A Flock of Seagulls)

Load up your tinfoil and run towards Ryan, Louie and Al as we discuss the immortal hit of an immortal band, A Flock of Seagulls!

Episode Transcript

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Podcast. Hello and welcome to episodeone oh one, one hundred and one

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Throwback Music Video Review podcast, andtonight we will be reviewing A Flock of
Seagulls. I Ran So Far Away. I Ran So Far Away is also
released as I Ran quote unquote SwaySo Far Away Parents. It's a nineteen
eighty two song by English new waveband A Flock of Seagulls. It was

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the third single from their self titleddebut album Irans. Music video is directed
by Tony Van den End. Wejust done a million videos, not too
many like big ones. They're likeall like like, not too many that
are. There's a couple of hitsongs for sure, but for how many
that he's done, it's like yesand ex Yeah, he's done some killing
joke videos. Yeah, he's donea lot of stuff. And his website

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is really nice. To go tohis website, check it out. Oh,
he has a website. It's justhis name dot com. It's in
the Queen's English And as of thisrecording, the Iran music video has one
hundred and fifty four million views onYouTube. You think more, huh,
it's well, I mean it's splitup. There's a lot, probably a
lot of people who post this rightprobably. Throwback Music Video Podcasts is a

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podcast where we look at older evennew videos and we watched them, we
researched them, we look at them, we judge them usually about the videos
that are around their time are justwhat we like, what we don't like,
and we at the end of thepodcast we decide if we're going to
keep them, are we're going tothrow them back? Okay, guys,
what is your history with Iran?Iran so far away? Oh Man,

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I don't know. Well, mostrecently, actually, Louis and I went
to a one of these summer festivals, the beautiful downtown now like Pershing Square,
and it was a medley of eightiesbands with some would say one hit
wonders, but I would totally disagreebecause a lot of these bands had actually
multiples really good songs. But Flockof Seagulls was one of them, and

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we did actually see them any anyexperience from They were one of the most
professional bands out of the whole thewhole thing. You could tell that they're
like on a touring schedule and correct, they had a full band, yes,
and they knew their ship like dida lot of the other bands.
I mean you could tell that they'reon like a like a on a summer
tour thing too. But like noflock of Seagulls came with everything. They
had like light set up, theyhad everything going on. Yeah, so

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if you weren't able to attend,this was a free event. All you
had to do was sign up onthe VP rs VP for the square.
Correct, but they also have theoption of a VIP where you paid a
le extra and you get a littlecloser. But the bottom line was they
performed along with a drama rama whenin Rome, when in Rome and without

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hats, and you know, it'sit's the interesting part to me. They
played all the hits, that's forsure. But Mike Score, who was
the only original member that played andperformed, of course he's the main guy.
He didn't talk, no, no, he didn't acknowledge the audience.
He well he did eventually, butfor the first forty five minutes it was
the bass player who was talking andkind of engaging with the very interesting.

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It was so strange, but theyperformed all the hits, sounded really good,
beautiful nights, summer night and LosAngeles was surrounded by the skyscrapers and
pushing square. They were also reallyplaying their instruments, like absolutely. Some
of the other bands who had backingtracks were like, you know, some
of them were playing, but likethey did have a pretty strong backing track.
No, they were actually playing fullband full Yeah. It was pretty

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cool. So that was a tree. That was definitely a tree. I
didn't expect to actually experience them,right, but of course any other experiences
they've always been. Did you expectto see Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite there,
No, that was a tree too. He was there. Well, I
guess the connection would be went inRome. They do have that in the
soundtrack, so he Yeah, hecame out during the Women Running a Rome
set. He announced when in Rome. And then also you know who was

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there too, his twin brother whoI met after the show, who was
dressing some crazy get up like therewas like this one guy, this this
non housed individual that was messing withhim and calling him Pedro. But then
and he was just like, oh, thank you, thank you, but
I'm like, that's not Pedro,that's his twin brother, because Pedro was

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wearing a suit or he was dressedreally nice. Crack he was. Yeah.
And then so he introduced the mannow introduced went in rome and went
in Rome headlined. This he didthey did, was the last man?
Who would you have headlines? FoxEagles headlines? Well, I think it
seems like fucking sequels might because theywere like the full band and like and
then I don't know, it's justthe Yeah, they did headline in the

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traditional form headlining. But but usuallythe last last band is it's really late.
Yeah, so you wouldn't really callthem headlining. So I would imagine
technically they played the sweet spot.Okay, so yeah, like I remember
back in the day, you thought, you know, you're the last band
playing. No, that's the that'sthe bitch. The last gun plane is

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helping clean up the bar after thesix people three custodians exactly, and then
the parking valet guy for those andthen but this concert was off the hook.
Yes, I mean it was packed. Yeah, I mean luckily for
us free event. Luckily for usfollows we have, we have, we
have good day jobs. Yes,we were able to play for the upgrade
to the VIP a little bit moreelbow room. Yes, everybody else in

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like the free section. Oh mygosh, it was like sardines down there,
dude, it was. It wasa lot of people, a lot
of people. Super spreader event.Yes, but you know what's interesting,
it was very cool vibrations. Everybodywas laid back, no problems, everybody
was mature. Everybody was enjoying anddancing. Because in between bands, it
would have like all the you know, they would basically get a club,

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right, it would have to DJplaying cool music and everybody's just dancing,
having a good time. I couldn'tbelieve how they could even set a thing
like that up. Yeah, Imean middle of a beautiful downtown at last.
A lot of people always talk shitabout downtown because like it's you know,
in the Los Angeles downtown is it'snot like New York where it's like
a bustling you know, like it'sbasically like a mad Max. Yeah,
it's pretty very mad Max there.It's always been like that A kid for
water and it's like the but PersingScore is a beautiful place, you know.

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You know, I remember going therebefore and it was always really cool
and the ice skating there and stuff. It's not like the Billy Adil video
dancing myself. Oh how about youguys? Well, for me, it's
uh. I Ran was always apart of that eighties compilations, you know,
it's it's a mainstay in those.It's always been in my purview.
But the thing is that my firstexperience with Lack of Seagull was a song

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called the More You Live, theMore You Love, which was their biggest
hitting in their homeland. Yeah.So I saw the music video They're back
in the Philippines, you know,and those video shows I keep referring to
and and I'm thinking, like,it's like it's like the tar of the
singles, like they went they wentto the Philippines. The filmed it.
It looks like the Ireland, youknow, you know like that Yeah,

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yeah, you know those rocks inIreland, those crazy raggy yeah, the
cracks of Ireland. It looks likethis is that Wheready filmed it. It's
a simple video. It's just thenon the beach, you know, and
just waves crashing, but this wouldbe their second album. You're right,
yeah, it's not on this albumright now? Okay, oh right,
that's true. That's true. Sowhen I saw that, I'm thinking,
like, you know, these aren'tlike your conventional TV friendly musicians, right

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And and I remember, as thekid, thinking like the drummer reminds me
of the guy from Done of theDead, the zombie from Don of the
Dead. That's where your mind imagine. I was like ten years old a
right, so you know I wasassociated drummer with the from Donna the Dead.
That's my friend Ronna dead zombie guy. So yeah, the drummer,

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the singer's brother. Yeah, Igot like, like, it's so weird,
like anyway, so that that ideaI was stuck in my every time
I see the drummer, I justDone Dead Zombie number seven. Is that
what you think? But probably becauseI saw Donna the Dead, you know,
the seventies Donna the Dead during thattime, around that time too,
when the video came out. Soit's just my mind just made that quick
association. Now do you guys havethis album? This was a classic third

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Like you easily found it back inthe nineties, right, it's in the
collection. Yes, And I didn'treally go back to the playing the whole
album until like recently and I realizinghow amazing the whole time. No,
I put space song on it.Once it's over, I take it off
and I put on you know,wishing my Party. No, but it's
true, right, like you haveto come back to it and realize,

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oh, okay, I get thewhole thing. Well, this is the
thing. I mean. You goback to a lot of these eighties bands
there, especially the first album.Yeah, they're they're very good. You
know, there's a lot of goodsongs on there, and just for some
reason that hiccup big, but alot of their songs are It's an eclectic
mix of songs that they've probably beenworking on since the seventies and they you
know, that's and then after thatis you know, I mean that's how
every sale pressure it comes in.Now, you know, after after your

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first album, your stuff is gettingwatered down. I mean, you've written
that first album since you were firststarted playing your instrument until that time,
you've had that in a chamber.Yeah, you had all those songs in
the chamber for years, you know, and so you know the next album
is going to be a water downversion of that because you haven't been working
on it for fifty and then you'reright out you've been signed. So there's
that pressure. It's got to begood, it's gotta be better than.

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But there's always there's always that sophomoreslump. Duran Durand's running down your back.
You know, you gotta you gottagotta pick it up. But there
are a very quintessential eighties band.Look the sound, you know, the
videos they made, right, howabout you really like well more so than
most, especially with the eighties thing. I think, you know, I
heard them when I was a kid. My mom, you know, with
my parents were on the sweet spotof the eighties, so they were playing

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all this music. So but Iremember all this stuff as a kid.
I was a heavy air play,both music and the videos. It was
hardcore into MTV as a kid,you know, it was like my babysitter.
So I did watch for this videoa million times. And it's funny
that you when I was a kid, I thought of it. I'm like,
oh, this is cool, youknow, and looking at the video,
But like now, when you seethe all the mirrors moving and everything

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like that. I mean, asa kid, you don't see that stuff.
You know, it's just like themagic, you know. But like
because we kind of saw what goeson behind the curtain, now we start
looking for those things. Yeah yeah, I mean we get older, we
get sickle, and we're like,hey, you know, get all the
evil, but we're a sweet youngkid, you know. Of course,
you know this is he thinking theGates eight songs Zombie, but it's one

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of the greatest new wave songs.I would say, yeah, I mean,
you got it. Definitely made amark and the album mark and the
new wave scene. But you knowwhat, more recently, I wish I
shouldn't say this is like twenty yearsago, but we all saw the bands
reunited, yes, and I kindof actually just stumbled on that and that
actually made me go back to Flockof Seagulls. But that was a very

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revealing, you know, like entertainmentdocumentary kind of style of making. I
remember watching that when it first cameout right right right as a kid,
and I was like, oh,this is cool. And I was always
like kind of watching because I wantedto see who they're gonna have next,
yes, yes, and then andthen watching it again. I mean when
I was a kid, I waslike, oh, you know, like
just do it. And then asnow as an adult watching and I'm like,

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I get these guys. You knowhe's gonna work, you know stuff
exactly. And throughout the nineties twothousands they almost became a joke, right,
well not almost actually they were ohcompletely not just a hairstyle. But
many people probably think that they're onehit wonder And that's one of the things
why we do this podcast. Thenineties, the cynical nineties, yes,
turned into a joke until the twothousands, and now we're like it's back.

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The nineties took themselves a little bittoo seriously where they were making fun
of the previous decade. But didn'tyou hear that reality bites right exactly exactly
crack, you know, And thenyou think about but when you come you
get older and you kind of maturea little bit more, and you're like,
I think, you know, theseare musicians. No, yeah,
you know they had aspirations of likemaking it big, and they did have

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the talent, man, you know, but anyway back to the thing,
right, But we all saw itand we saw their demise and how things
didn't work out, and it's thebummer. Yeah. Well, I mean
like the guitar player, he gotwhacked out on goofballs, you know,
and like you know, he breakdownand there was breakdown. He was way
too young, too young, probablya little bit of coke or something.

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You think about yourself of being eighteennineteen, Yeah, what were you doing
eighteen? I mean I was stillin high school probably, you know.
But if I was world famous ateighteen nineteen, I don't know how I
could pull it off. I wouldhave imploded, not exactly, Yeah,
I would have had every SDD andevery drug in my body. I mean
thinking about it, not being notbeing able to experience it. You'd be
like, yeah, that's a dreamcome true, right, But for somebody

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in reality, you know, thisis a great like actual scenario, like
a real, realistic scenario. No, not everybody can really handle it,
you know. No, There's beentimes when I played in a band and
we've had I don't know, twogigs in one week and I was headed
after that. I can't imagine playingevery single night from city to city and
yeah, waking up in the middleof the day and going to sleep in

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the middle of the night or thenext day, and then waking up and
doing it over again. And it'sjust like a cycle. You don't know
where you're at, what day itis, it's and these guys are playing
like two hundred gigs. It's crazy. Yeah, but that's the life of
Mike Score though. He's been doingthis non stop since I can remember.
The saddest moment not that long ago, when you gave us tickets to go

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see Seagulls for Christmas. Oh yeah, yeah, for your birthday. Yeah
yeah, I've heard birthday or something. And then we found out that there
were free tickets that you perched,that you got and then I was like,
oh my god, they're playing forfree, like that was a that
was saddest thing I ever heard inmy life. And where were they playing
at the Montclair Montclair? Oh really? Yeah? Oh wow, you give
Ryan tickets to, you give righttickets to? Only only got those ones?

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Oh for me? I couldn't go, Yeah, because yeah, yeah,
the party they're playing at Montclair forthey're giving them for free. No,
there's a bar, there's a there'sa nice venue. There's actually a
nice music venue, and it's inthe Montclair Plaza though, but it's a
it's a it's one of the calmthe wings of the of the mall.
It's like but this once I forgotthe name of it. But it's a
very nice venue like Canyon something.Yeah, and a lot of bands play

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there. Yeah, a lot ofbands do play it there, you know.
It's it also has an awesome blueskind of field right right, right
right, So it's especially the NewHouse of Blues. That's like in a
mini mall now, right, that'slike have you been there? And I've
been to the one. I've beenthe one in downtown Disney. No,
no, no, Now it's inlike some like mini mall kind of really
no, not mini mall, butit's just like a strip mall, strip
mall. It's a strip. Sothey played at this you didn't get to
go then, No, I couldn'tgo, and I felt bad and I

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was like, oh, I'm sorry, I'll like I can't do't worry about
it. I got him for free. Anyways, I was like, what
that broke my heart? Was likethat they were playing for free. No.
I was walking on Montclair Plaza andthere's I walked past the venue and
like some girls were just like,hey, would you like free tickets for
the show, And I'm like,oh, okay, like Fox because I'm
like, oh, like I thinkmaybe Louis might like it, you know,

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Louis birthday. It's like, yeah, chief old present, everybody wins.
But he didn't get to catch itis. But you know, like
I'm sure Louie would have had abetter time a flock of seagulls than the
party went to. But no,but see that, I mean I think
now they're on a high again.I mean there, yeah, but I'm
sure that there was a lot oflow lows there. Yeah, I mean
they got that little pick me upin the early two thousands. Things that

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have grant the thought of ice ity, right correct, that's I mean,
that's the video game, and they'vebeen in a bunch of commercials. You
know. Also the music has beenused, and you know it's funny,
like I said, like they kindof became a butt of a lot of
jokes, like they're always like areference, you know, not just the
hairstyle. And I think that's oneof the things he's really pissed off about,
Mike Score himself, you know,like it's like the hairstyle exceeded like

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the music, and like what we'resaying is how amazing the music is.
Well, I mean that's one ofthe things that that killed them too,
is like they were the kind ofnew word band that was a hairstyle instead
of more of a thing, wherelike Duran durand they were hadsome guys.
You know, they weren't haircuts.They were had some dudes exactly Art Divo
were just like weirdos, you know, like you could move on from that,

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but just from just the haircut.Once the haircut's not cool the next
year, yeah you're done. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you
gotta associate with a fad so tospeed, right, Yeah. And he
was like a hair stylist, rightor something like that, And yeah,
he owned the salon they practiced abovethe hair salon the where he were he
owned, I think, yeah,like him and the Bassis, right,

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And you know, he was reallypissed because a lot of the interviews they
were always asking about the hairstyle.That was kind of like the focal point
of the interview. So not eventhe artists, what do you expect though,
I know, I know, butthe thing was the thing is he
did he didn't. Probably they probablydid expect it to be that, of
course, Yeah, a thing likewell would you Okay, let's take this
to another band that was not Imean, they didn't start off as a

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haircut, but i mean I'm surethey got a lot of questions about hair.
Let's say Robert Smson the Cure,right, I'm sure in the look,
his look got a lot of that. But it did endure, you
know. Is it because he keptit and didn't try to change it?
I think because there was a scenebehind it. There was a whole Yeah,
there's a whole look. There wasn'ta makeup, and there was a
thing that extended out and stead oflike just like a new wave thing where

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the next summer it wasn't a coolthing anyway, right, And I felt
like a lot of the underground scenewas you know, kind of took it
and then ran with it in theirown very different ways. Also at that
time, Yeah, the Cure wasunderground and they were top forty. Ye,
flock of Seagles were top forty andthere you know, that's a big
difference, and that's one of thosethings you really have to come to grips
with it's like, are you goingto be okay? Because they made a

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lot of money, they toured,you know, they they live the sex,
drugs and rock and roll thing.But the enduring part, right,
that's the part that's kind of well, that's the thing. Do you want
to cultivate a scene like the Curefrom like nineteen seventy six seven until now
and and I mean they didn't getthe money until wait until later, you

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know? Or do you want thatfast money quick exactly? Jump on a
scene, you know, like it'sthat's where you throw it up and you
know what do you want to do? Yeah, here we go. I
guess the thing is that, youknow, like their music holds up.
I totally Fox Seagles music holds up. I think so now yeah, now
yeah, Well to the average listenerof them, that's the probably was still
social as eighties. Yeah, right, to the average listener, it's just
a one hit wonder. Well waita minute, they have a lot of

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good songs and actually a lot ofhits like We're the Charted right and again
it's I think it's it would doeverybody a good service here if they went
back and listened to it, andyou know, part of the podcast is
like not only just promoting the musicand giving it a little bit more legs
so people can sharing this to others, our interests and the stuff that we're

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interested in, because again, man, I can't get It's good music and
I think it deserves a second,third, fourth, fifth. Listen for
people who thought that there was justlike that one song or that book or
that hairstyle whatever. Yeah, Imean there's a lot of people who would
agree with they're not a one hitone, no, no, no.
But the thing it's like, yeah, as far as like the collective,
you know, mainstream where is theyare considered a one hit wonder. The

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thing is, yeah, everyone's aone hit wonder until we didn't go a
little dive on their material. Imean, did your gems in there?
Did you ever consider it's time forthe hawk wiz? Oh yeah, I
studious or because it's time for theal Right, here we go, ladies
and jovin You guys ready, yes, get your glasses waiting for the got

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your visors from outer space trivia involvedin this in this star is we'll find
out Here we go, you guysready, I don't have a lot,
but here we go. See fourteenthree. Al Right, here we go
number one. All right, soI ran picked at number nine on the
Billboard Hot one hundred in October nineteeneighty two. Here's my first question,
which is the following artist? Wasit number one during that very same week?

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Because you ready, here we goa I'm the Sky by Alan Parson's
project be Jack and Diane by JohnCougar. This is before the Mellencamp came
in. This is before the JohnCougar concentration. See actual bad from the

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nineties. Back from the nineties,Oh my god, it's funny. Or
see who can it Be? Now? By Men at Work? And lastly,
your last choice d Gloria by LauraBrannigan. Oh miss a friend of
the podcast pass Away not too longago too, but I would say who

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can it be? Now? ManWork? All right, I'm gonna say
Gloria. Excellent, world, guys, you're both run. That would be
be Jack and Diane Carson's project numberthree, Who can have been? Out?
Number two? And Gloria's like oneof my favorite songs ever, exactly
great. Jack and Diane was likefag dude, like it must have been.

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It was pretty on the charts.Forever it was. It was a
big it's huge hit. Yeah,I mean, that's stupid music video,
the clapping hands in the little I'msure he'll be doing it soon. But
ever seen a video for right inthe Sky though? Is there a video?
I'm not sure that's remember seeing thevideo? I don't. I've never

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seen it. But I mean,you know, you know I preceded that
song though, before I come analbum is the song called Serious, which
is the Michael Jordan Chicago when hecomes in right and then it segues into
sky. Yes, this one ofmy go to kryo because that's a great,
great song. It's yes, mellow, it's relaxing, it's beautiful,
beautiful guys, I don't have alot, but you better get your oil

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skins on because it's time for thething, all right, really quickly,
So you guys know, right thelads were just forming the band. The
initial name of the band was nota Flock of seagulls, of course,
right they were. Actually they gotthe name, of course, from a
The Stranglers song nineteen seventy eight songcalled Toiler of the Sea. I think

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that was even mentioned in some ofthe documentaries that we were watching earlier.
But the term a flock of seagullsis a term or a collective now for
a group of seagulls, right,yes, yes? So Another example,
of course, is a group ofcows would be called a mole cows I
don't ever heard, or a groupof wolves would be called a pack pack

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All right? So true or false? If the following collective nouns are the
correct terms, love it love withthe following animals. Are you guys ready?
I am ready? All right?I was born for this, Louis,
Are you ready for the number one? Here is number one? A
parliament of owls, true or false? Of that is the correct collective noun.

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What is it true? You arecorrect? Parliament of owns. That's
pretty awesome. Hey, it's alearning podcast. Parliamentary might bear watson.
I'll try this one. Have anumber of two. Here a prickle of
porcupines. That is a false?You are wrong? That is true?
A prickle? A prickle? Everheard of? My life? Horrible like

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this? That's way too cute.It doesn't seem right right, But that's
the thing that's to bely logging around, I'm getting a bunch of prickles like
this one a stinkhole of skunks.No way, are you sure? I'm
sure? Then you're right? Whatis it? A stinch close enough that
stinkhole that would that would catch out, that would that would be like,

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oh yeah, by the way,these you know, the ones that are
real, are true. I'm obviouslyright. I'll try number four here,
a snatch of clams. Don't laugh, hold it all in. If you
laugh, it's wrong. That can'tbe true. That I'm sure, Yes,
I'm here, all right, youwin? Is it a catch?
Is that the real thing? It'sa bed bed bed of clams. We're

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hearing help a number fively, yes, a conspiracy of lemurs. I'm trying.
Okay, I don't know this,but I'm trying to go off your
right, right, wrong, rightpatters right here, my stinkhole of patterns,
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna saythat's falls. No, you're wrong,

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that is true. A conspiracy ofthat's where I got. Are you
ready for this one? Now?How about a spinkter of gurbles. No
way, it's up to you.He's sure, I am sure, all
right, you're right. They're actuallycalled a horde. Just imagine a horde

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of Gerbils coming for your spinker.I mean that was inspired, of course
by Richard Gear himself, and thenext one weak. How about a cauldron
of bats or goth in that state? Yeah? I know, I mean
it sounds right, but I haven'tfeeling it's not, because what if the
cauldron has to do with bats otherthan a witch? I'm gonna say it's
wrong. You are wrong? Iscauldron cloud or colony of bats? Oh?

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New? Right? When when didthat get put into Websters? Or
let me check thirteen seventy? Idon't know what's the second piattic? Different
time I looked it up on Pukingwag Nos, I don't know. Okay,
sorry, alm a pussy gaggle ofplatypus. Man, it's too alliteration

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perfect. I think it's true.Now you're wrong, Pandemonium of Platypus.
That would have even been harder tothat's been Pandemoni of pandas Right, Yeah,
you think great, But plat peopleare crazy to write these things like
me. How about you? Okay, how would a sausage best of peacocks?

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That's gonna be wrong? Come on, it is wrong. The thing
I think I think in a differentmultiverse. There was a band called Platypus
pussy Gagle of Platypus. I loveis Alan for some reason, naming a
song called I Walk or something youknow, but pea collective now for peacocks,

(25:55):
Louis, and now it would bemustard or ostentation. I like,
how ostentatious? Crazy? Right?These terms? All right, Al's your
turn? Might got a couple moreoff that? How abouny? Gaze of
raccoons, gaz, I don't wantyou to use here, but a gaze
of raccoons, I think, Ithink that's true, and you are correct.

(26:17):
Excellent work, Louie. A Shiverof Sharks, yeah, and you
are correct again This Shiver of sharks. Yeah. I always goot the murder
of crows is the coolest. Butthere's no there's a lot of the Shiver
of sharks. They havn't bede amovie called The Shiver of Sharks. Right,
I'm gonna have a new thing.My own new thing is like,
man, there's so many people inhere. What is this? The quadron
of backs? All the bats seehere, MVR podcasts. We learned things,

(26:41):
We learn things all right? Andlastly, at I should put this
other education. Now, yeah,seriously, this is my favorite. Just
put the more you know, thisis my favorite, true one now is
an assload of mandels and of courseuse the red butthole. We're talking about
it right, This is like thethird time Ryan's mentioned you guys? Does
he bring of Mandrel and everything hedoes? Right? We didn't wear your

(27:03):
where's your hair? At Mandrel andGold City? That's Mandrel, Monkey of
Mandrils. So wasn't an ass Ohwait sure, I am sure you're wrong,
I can't. You're right. Itis Fosse there all shall actually called
the Horde as well. So aren'tyou writing a screenplayer right now? Like

(27:23):
Planet on the Mandrils about the apes? It's just oh, that's all I
have for you guys. All right, you guys didn't squirt about see her
and I get them all wrong?We like guys spresent. Wasn't any questions
about Aurora borealison at all. I'mdisappointed, drying good fun in that?

(27:44):
Okay, that's not what The musicvideo then for Iran I'll previously mentioned,
directed by Anthony Bandon and Ben Rightand and he lots of music videos,
so many, yes, let megive you some of his highlights, right,
here go for so Mercury rev Darknessweird right, which is weird like
a newer one checker con Ain't Nobody, Ain't Nobody? Oh, that's that's

(28:11):
Tom Yorky drug Store, which isactually the cool looking video. Wow,
simply read the Pretenders Mike Ness Storyof your life, right, Soulsi Distortions
is like you know, Ball andChain. Yeah, lose favorite man favorite
back all of a sudden, he'sswing dancing, moves meat low action.

(28:33):
He did something called Guns and Rosesphotographic history of Guns and Roses, and
I have no idea eighty four it'sprobably the compilation video probably killing Joe.
Right. We mentioned that rep strikeBack Nemesis. Oh have you seen video
for that? I have? Actually, Yeah, that's cool vide. Cool
song. I love you? Mentionedholding Back Fears. Simply read right,
Rolling Back a great song. Ithink a lot of the cult friend tons.

(28:59):
Oh it's a TV doc I'm notsure that's what the usual Illusion Tour
TV documentary for Gunden Uroses. Ohhe did a lot of Oh wow,
he didn't direct you watch this oneThe Balance Sebastian The Day Weekend Yeah,
wow, okay. As Fairy Bandtransmission vam. Oh they're awesome, as
I'm saying, lots of them too. Man Cat Stevens and Bad Company Cat
Stevens. It's one of the lastthings you see in that list, right,

(29:22):
Cat Stevens. The thing is,he's like, give me whatever you
give me. Is that a job? I'll take it. Yeah, it's
one of those kinds of things.He's a job or man, man do
the same, pin me pay meright, He's like almost like a blue
collar director. He's just you know, and it's so many years of doing
it and let's not forget he alsodid the other flock of Seagulls hits.
He also, yeah, he's veryprolific. You know, a lot of

(29:45):
contribution to the music video industry.Just just in the side here this this
video was actually made for five thousandpounds and after calculating that with today's inflation,
it is eight trillion dollars eight sevenhundred seventy. Does the video look
like it's you can make it fortwenty eight dollars? I mean I could

(30:06):
make that video for five hundred dollars. Seriously, seriously, well, maybe
you got to pay the talent alittle bit. Also, it was on
it was it wasn't on VHS.This is straight. This is actually video,
right, like this is on film, the film like movie film,
because it looks pretty good. Itdoesn't look like VHS. Yeah, no,
definitely not. Yeah, it's notlike camcords film. It's films.
I mean that's expensive right there.You gotta you gotta take that on account.

(30:27):
Directed. I mean, you haveto get the caterers gone. It
probably took just a couple of hoursto really pull it off after setting up
the actual scene itself. It's probablyprocessing, passing the film and then you
know whatever the director it is posted, not like during the film actual film.
Yeah, I don't think they shotit and then after I mean the

(30:48):
makeup on those girls though, probablytook a little bit. But again,
so it's pretty much starts with yeah, the riff with the echo and just
really quickly Paul Reynolds super young dudewhen they started the band what eighteen nineteen,
and to this day, so manylike musicians and fans are like are
saying, he's just one of thosewhizz guitar players. It's like, you

(31:11):
know, some of the stuff hewas playing with the music at that time
and still today, like it madea really an impact on that sound that
he made. He's good. Basically, he's a very good guitar player.
Yea. And from the documentary ofBands You United, he's listed as a
session like he just contributes to likebands who hires him. Yeah, he's
a session guy. Yeah, hedoesn't really have a band himself. It
doesn't really produce any music. Carelessabout that, lie, right, it's

(31:33):
more him. He's just he justloves the craft and probably just people,
Hey, you're a good guitar player. Let's let's play some stuff here.
You know. Yeah, that's probablyhis thing. And there's no pressure,
you know, he doesn't have togo on tours and that stuff, you
know, goes to the studio backand exactly. He probably has a couple
of studios that he has a goodconnection with. So like when someone comes
in they need a guitar player andthey're like, oh, we have this

(31:53):
guy you know right right right,just brings in like yeah, So the
video is we can discuss this inone minute. I mean it's it's not
there's nothing a lot, but thereare a few key things that I feel
like that needs to be mentioned.Of course obviously one first of all,
just the set itself is the wholealuminum foil everywhere, right, you've got

(32:15):
mirrors, you've got them playing.And according to Mike Score, he said
that, hey, they asked usto you know, well, we went
to go to the department store,got a bunch of women's clothes, we
put it on, some makeup,we got our instruments and we played behind
it and then kind of you know, just just filmed it. Yeah,
because basically the studio is like,this is we got to start doing music

(32:36):
videos now, because that's the newthing. You know, MTV just came
out like a year before. Youwant to be big, right, We've
got to get in this medium.Yeah, And to the fact that this
video is what catapulted them to thisstardom really, you know, it's that
heavy air play of course, andyou know, like in my personal opinion,
it's nothing special, but the ideabehind it is it is much more
special that because they created this videowith the music and during that time,

(33:00):
that's what shot them into this thestratosphere of you know, like a fame,
right. You know what too whenyou watch this video, I mean
it's a lot different, but it'snot as different as the Buggles video.
I mean it's they have the newwave of girls, and it's very structured
around like I know, like thesame exact thing which propelled the Buggles and
then also you know propelled these guystoo, because it's like a whole it's

(33:20):
like a little scene. You know, it's like a theme basically, it's
the sci fi theme, right,and all everybody's bought in the whole band,
you know, Like sometimes you seebands and like half the band is
like bought into the band. Andthen there's just like two dudes who just
look like they're not gonna put onthe makeup and stuff, you know,
and like black hole sun right,yeah, there you go. But they
were having fun. You know,they're having a lot of fun. You
know. Frank Mons playing the bass, he was like he's always having fun.

(33:42):
That's what I lack about him.Yeah, the drummer on the end,
he was like creaming some human flesh, right, you see, he's
turning more and more pale for eachinch and every scene that ever kind about
your you can get over it.Mean that stupid memory made for us,
because if you got thunb to Dead, you'll know exactly ZOMBIEP. Nine of
the living that right, No,and again, yes, you're right,

(34:07):
the same theme of like a heavilymake made up female characters. Right.
But you know what, what's what'sinteresting here is because I never really got
it in the beginning. You know, you couldn't tell it from the album
cover, but it's a conceptual albumin which they're dealing with alien invasion,
talking about like prog rock ish kindof yah where where there's a it's thematic
right from beginning to end, lyrically, visually sound Pink Floyd going on.

(34:31):
Yeah, and the thing is likeagain to the average listener, you know,
And and I was an average fora very long time until I kind
of realize, oh, that's whatthey're trying to go for, you know.
And again this is their first album, right, so but there was
a theme that there was an ideabehind everything and that the whole thing was
alien invasion, right, like likeI mean, listen to the lyrics like

(34:52):
flying saucers, right, and thisone in particular of course, like he's
like in love with this woman,but in the end, towards the end,
right, he's like run away becausethere's like this fear of like you
know, being captured by these thesethese I don't know, mysterious aliens.
I guess you aps right. Hethinks changed the term. He's kind of
like a sci fi nerd, right, Yeah, he talks about that.
Yeah, because basically, yeah,that they got the inspiration of the song

(35:14):
from a poster right of flying saucersexactly, Yeah, and a couple running
away from him. Their new albumis like all based around the Orville.
I don't know, if you knowthe TV show the Kid. I was
like, wait, because you lookso freaking serious. Wasn't it wasn't the
towel of their new album, SkinwalkerRanching, you know? But see then

(35:35):
again, like I said, it'slayered right, and it doesn't sometimes and
I've always thought it's like, youknow, like, oh, it's hot
tongue in cheek. They have seagullsin the in the background, the open,
you know when the song starts.That that if you actually hear the
original remix, not the music videoremix, where you hear seagulls fighting and
then you get the bass, that'ssweet bass agin. So I can imagine
that as part of that whole youknow, like the beam of the album

(35:57):
set up. You know what's weirdthough, it is like the album cover
doesn't reflect, not at all,any of that. That's what I mean.
Yeah, it looks it's not agood reflection of the album. Definitely
content. Yeah, it's like awindow sill with like seas flying. Yeah,
it's it's it's like, you know, they hired some artists, like,
okay, there's a bank off flockof seagulls make an album cover.
I'm like, no, it lookslike but the thing is, it's not

(36:20):
bad, but it doesn't does itrelate to what the whole class? Not
exactly. I mean it looks likethe Giant and Livington Seagulls cover, like
a rejective cover, right maybe right? But yeah, like I mean,
how would you design it? Imean even I'm curious how I even know
how I'm gonna design it. Thething it's not has nothing. It's not
spacey at all. Yeah, there'sno sci fi you know, like like
designs or any that's true. Iwould delusion, So I have no idea.

(36:46):
If I was like their manager,I would we say, you guys
wrote a sci fi album. That'svery cool. You guys are dressed like
this, very cool. Your namedoesn't go with your album. It doesn't
go with how you guys are dressed? What are you gonna do? But
you know, like spies and disguisedand put like little robot things on the
on the seagulls, like you know, what are you gonna do? You
see that cartoons rises in disguise apigeons like sunglasses, so little Smith is

(37:13):
one of the pigeons, right,So like I don't know, I like,
really, how do you how doyou get flock of seagulls, a
flock of seagulls, the name intoa sci fi look? I feel like
they chose lls to take care ofhim. Well then yeah, he would
just put some track things. Ifeel like they chose an angle, right.
I mean it's you know, theythought, well, let's go with

(37:35):
the look. Right, that's alittle bit more accessible to the public,
right people, especially during that timenineteen eighty two, eighty three, whatever
not that you know, I thinkspacey aliens, that's still interesting, but
I think they kind of went morefor the look that the hair cut,
the clothing, the style, videossign the videos that looks very sci fi,
yeah, exact, very super scifi. Yeah, but the name

(37:57):
the flock of seagulls, right,I don't understand how that relates to that.
I mean it probably maybe it doesn't. It's just me, but like,
how do you do it? Imean, if you're actually trying to
market it, you know, howdo you reflect that in that? I
don't think you can. But youknow, whatever they did, but these
days, yeah, a lot ofit was it was huge hit. I'm
saying, these days, you're right, it's more of a conceptual thing where
every every aspect relates to that onetopic or one whatever. Right, Well,

(38:22):
back then they didn't really think ofit that way, you know,
so it's kind of like jumbled andit's all over the place. Well,
their record company didn't think about that. I mean, you know, there's
a lot of companies that did,but they didn't. Not to digress from
the video, but do you youguys think about like how they got so
big in America but they weren't reallythat big in England much so that they
actually moved to America. Yeah,you're right, wild right, Yeah,

(38:44):
Well, why it happens all thetime. It's some musicians they just get
big on one in the country.The thing is like, yeah, like
there's crossover appeal, at least withIran because that guitar solo. You know,
people love their guitar solos, right, and this is one of the
greatest guitar solos for any new wavesong ever, right, and and you
got two of them too. It'slike borderline level at least for me,
it's like it's almost up there withlike Slash his guitar solo in November Raine,

(39:06):
Yeah, which is you know thedirector also yeah, yeah, he
has has guns and Roses influences.But it is interesting, huh. But
yeah, like how you can notfrom your native land, right and you
still but it happens a lot.It happens a lot. I Ran didn't
get as big as there as itdid here, right, Yeah. Their
biggest hit was in England was SpeciesLove song. Yeah, oh no Wishing
Wishing. Yeah, Like their slowersongs were big, They're faster songs were

(39:30):
big here. Maybe it was tworock for England's liking maybe or maybe they
just like knew I'm like, ohI know that guy, he does my
hair. There's a reason too,like the pesche Mode isn't wasn't as big
in England as well then up herein America and then they you know,
and then you know they moved heretoo, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(39:50):
and Morsey that's true. Yeah,that's true. Well, I mean I
guess it's the sign of the times. You know, people just kind of
relate to the music more in certainparts of the world, right, you
guys know Rodriguez rest in peace.He just passed away, sugar man,
Yeah, sugar man, right,it just passed away like this past week.
But you know he was huge,like in like South Africa, And
that's the only reason why they madea documentary because like, you know,

(40:12):
all of a sudden, you know, he's like the speak and of like
hope for these people. But herehe never made a mark in the sixties
and seventies, you know what Imean. So it's just how why right,
So it has to hit somewhere,and you know, apparently some stuff
hits in America more than others.I mean, like in the Philippines.
You know, we got our shareof New Way vacs or English acts that

(40:34):
are only huge there. That's it. We think since that was our world
back that we thought it would behuge everywhere when we go here was like
what who? Yeah, And youknow we always reference Philippines obviously, well
not one we're Philippino. The otherthing is louis an honorary Philippino, of
course. But the other thing isthat, for some strange reason, a
lot of the eighties, right,it was huge Japan Philippines, right,
yeah, but not in America ornot even in their home country. Very

(40:58):
rock. It's strange, right,but it's I mean massive fan base where
like it's so big that they reissuea lot of the music that was created
only in those countries because you know, so much demand for it. Well,
being a being is important. Althoughwe are in America, we are
on the West coast of America,where there is a humongous middle part of
where there's a lot of a lotof the big top. That big void

(41:22):
is the one that you know doesn'tembrace a lot of the hardwark hardcard does,
doesn't embraise brit pop, you know, doesn't embrace They only embrace rock
rock, you know, like especiallyback then. Yeah, yeah, that's
true. But again, you knowthe video, it's a one layer.
There is a part where he's kindof like he's searching around, right,
yeah, he's he's lost. Healmost knocks down the mirror. He's like,

(41:44):
oh yeah, he doesn't know what'shappening. He's trying to get away.
He's disoriented. Yeah, then thesegirls are kind of like coming at
him, you know, and there'slike, oh, I'm scared of these
girls. But it's kind of likehow the song is about, right,
you know, he likes he likesa girl, but he's so scared of
his own emotions he's running away from. It tells the tale of the singer
saying and an attractive woman. Hebecomes anxious, wants to run away from

(42:07):
his new found feelings when he can'tforget about her. The director is very
good. I mean he he hasthe whole video. It's on a good
tempo that's going with the song,and the whole thing is moving and it's
going forward and there's no like weirdhiccups in it. He's very very competent,
you know. I mean he's donea lot of music videos and he
was doing music videos, are doingkind of documentary stuff before this too.

(42:29):
But I mean it's very very wellmade, like it's yeah, it sink
very well with the music absolutely,yeah, and everybody got into it,
like that's what made it kind ofyou know, like it picked up with
the audience and well that's the thingtoo. When we want to go watch
them live, they're just kind ofstanding there. I mean, you know,
and you're like you watch the videoand you're like, they should be
moving right, you know, thewhole play should be spinning, you know.

(42:49):
But well, what do you whatdo you think about Louis about his
keyboard playing his monophonic keyboard playing onone key is a monophonic keyboard, but
he's playing polyphonic. No, Imean, that's just like a thing I
used to have that keyboards. It'sexactly a cool keyboards rolland monison. But
yeah, like at first I hadno idea. I thought it was like,
oh, it's like a microcord,you know this before I really got

(43:13):
into synthesizers on. I slide thisvideo and I was like, oh,
you know, there's a really kidkeyboard. I can play Iran. But
drummer looks like a zombie. Butthe drummer is also playing drum pads.
He's not playing, he's playing practicepads. He's not playing like he's just
practicing those those triplets. Yeah,yeah, yeah, there's no there's no
When he gets that Tom solo,it's that's a lie. Sorry, those

(43:37):
just practice pads, silent practice,it would just go wouldn't be I want
you to think that he's like somekind of white Nord drum thing, but
nope, it's just I didn't catchthis on one of the documentaries talking about
that part where he goes down thelittle tom solo and he's the drummer.
Was I don't know, Like hewas just like letting off steam and just
start doing that solo. And theysaw all this put that in the song,

(43:59):
so they that's how they got alittle which is which is a good
idea. There was no really Yeah, yeah, it was a good breakdown.
It's a good break before the baythe guitar. Like I played that
on the keyboard, it was likeit's very simple, but somehow it sounds
so complicated when I well that's thething with me sometimes hear it. Simplicity
speaks more than you know, likethe complexity. You know, it's like

(44:20):
something you just gotta you play somethingsimple and like it echoes you know.
Yeah, and it's like it's oneof my favorite guitar solos ever. Yeah,
is that? You know? Itwas the two solos from this song.
You can address the you can seethe cameras and the reflection covered by
this mountain of foil. Yeah,the windows moving and shaking as they're kind
of spinning around, right, allthe stuff going. They must have like
fans in theirs because it's like stuffflying around and stuff too, very monty

(44:43):
Python about everything's moving all the background. There's nothing stable, you know.
But see that third point though,right, that's the whole thing. Yeah,
yeah, wow, that's about themusic and the mood and the sound
that was happening in front of you. I mean that stuff moving in the
background probably adds to the motion ofthe thing too. Everything's moving like a
you know. And again, youknow, if you're thinking about the whole

(45:05):
concept album of like alien Alien invasion, you know, it creates fear,
right, creates like this mood oflike uncertainty what's going to happen? You
know? So I mean, ofcourse this is also a good video for
someone who wants to learn how tomake videos. Yes, absolutely. When
you think about making a video ormaking a movie or something like that,
you tend to like think too bigwhen you don't really You just have to

(45:28):
look at the frame of the camera, right, You just need to feel
the frame. You don't need tohave a whole entire room that looks like
the thing. You just need enoughto feel the frame and you could just
be a little box that's standing rightin front of you and you know,
put mirrors up and that's it.You know, you don't you don't need
to do a kind of the background. You know, you're thinking Stanley Kubrick
when you should be thinking iOS likenine or something like. It shouldn't be

(45:49):
what are you doing. You're notgonna be able to create those kinds.
You're not gonna make the rules doctorstraight. So like in the way they
shot the mirrors in this is thecamera spinning or are the mirror spinning?
Well, okay, the room hasto have been spinning for those things to
move, right. If the roomwasn't move moving itself, then those the
mirrors and all that stuff. Idon't think it's a room. I think
it's just like a small platform that'splatbody was moving. Somebody's moving around,

(46:13):
right. The lights were outside ofthe thing that's moving, because you can
still see it, right. Thespotlights itself was covered with some foil.
And again, technically it's not themost sound kind of you know, like
production but I think they were tryingwhat they were trying to get across some
pounds, right, and they probablydid it in one day. I would
imagine it is insane. I mean, frankly, I think that's the overspent,

(46:34):
right. They could have made thatvideo for way less than five thousand
pounds and they probably just use therest on whatever. Right, Well,
they have to hire lighting people,They have to hire you know people.
In compared to the video Kill theRadio Star, which one had the bigger
production, you think Video the RadioStar because they actually built a set,
right set explosion girl effects and thegirl you know, floating from the tubes.

(46:58):
Yeah, they needed like a harnessfor correct. This one didn't have
any effect, like any practical effectsit had it had well yeah, no,
no practical effects, but they hadthe little overlays of sonic sounds and
the flashing star on the girl's eyes. They did have like two years of
CGI that they added through paintbox andpaintbox makes another Quantell Quantell paintbox. Now

(47:21):
it added like you know the fiftyI mean David Bowie's song came out the
same year, right, Yeah,but look at the budget. Yeah,
fifty's for that, right, Yeah, they had expensive music video, the
most expensive computer in the world runningthe most exact expensive computer program. It's
hard to compare. How would youcompare this then to Clouds Across the Moon
by Robin that came out three yearslater. Well, Clouds Across the Moon

(47:45):
cut some corners by by copying,Yeah, or at least us footage things
that actual footage. I don't thinkthat's fair. You know, they did
like an ed wood thing. Yeah, that's pool of the Strings, the
Bison running. You use them oldfootage, right, I'm just like,
yeah, becau since I'm trying tofind like comparisons, they're like for for

(48:06):
this music, the same era,the same era, right right. I
think this video took what they didtake from Okay You'll Kill the Regular Reguill
Star. Yeah, and then youknow, Clouds Across the Moon probably took
from this video, you know,like it was like a learning experience.
Yeah, because there's a lot ofthemes that they had a little sci fi
face, you know, and andClouds Across the Moon kind of has a
weird SciFi think. Yeah. Soyou're right, a lot of early eighties

(48:29):
music deals with sci fi. That'sprobably why we associate the eighties with you
know, the space they grew upwith, with Star Trek and stuff that,
Yeah, what they watched, andlike Duran Durant's Star Wars two right,
came out seventy seven, yeah,and all the way up to the
eighties eighty four or whatever. Butlike, yeah, the Duran Durant around
this time came out with a littlePlanet Earth, right, and then but

(48:52):
girls on film, isn't that muchfarther than That's true? Yeah, we're
looking at there. It's not.I don't think you could look at the
band at the time. You gotto look at the video that they made
because that's where they have no money. Yeah, they hardly It's like their
first hit, you know, it'svery you know, by the time they
get a little bit bigger, andthen this by this time, drownd around
is probably already doing pretty big.They we already came over the world.

(49:15):
Yeah they already. Yeah, they'realready you know, making their Indiana Jones
exactly. But take a break away, should take a break, all right,
So okay, we'll be right backafter these messages. All right,
it's time for some notable YouTube commentsand then already they are there alright,
alright, here we go. Wegot a couple for you guys today.

(49:36):
Here is the first one and thenam I reading glasses? I'm an old
man. This one is from Ithink it's an act. As al said
back then last episode, a lotof these are at now, so at
tail ends TA L E I nZ one from two months ago, and
she says Mother's Day. Here inqueens On, Australia, headed down to

(49:57):
the beach and noticed a bunch ofsea goes on the beach. I told
my fifteen year old that back inmy days there was a band called Flock
of Seagulls had to come watch thetwo little hearts that I just think.
I'm just thinking about the conversation afterlike fuck you mom or something like that,
right, something weird like that,right, like who gives a shit?
Right? That's funny actually, Likeit's like Murial's wedding, but like

(50:21):
she's like an adult, she haskids now, and she's thinking, hey,
you want to watch It's a videothat your mom used to watch back
in the day. The seagulls.You know, Austria as a seagull problem.
The seagull problem. They literally designedFrench fry holders to repel quote unquote
seagulls like the special kind of foil, but it failed. Seagulls still kept

(50:43):
coming from food, still stopping aseagull. Seagulls. Just when you thought
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All right, and here's another oneby at Rick Williamson nine two four
eight from two months ago. Andhe says, back then, I wanted

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hair like his. Now that we'reboth in our sixties, idea, I
do well. I'm guessing he's talkingabout Mike Score. Now they have the
thick hair, Loui's invention of ahat with a ponytail built out backwards.
And then again, oh boy,funny, that is funny. He was

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notorious for wearing hats but well wedid see him. He wasn't wearing a
hat. He was no, hesaid, you know what, it's all
about the reality. I saw aninterview on him on KTLA five, one
of the morning shows, you knowwith Mike Score. It's on YouTube and
yeah, you know, to promotethe show. He's promoting some show,
but might have been the Backlaire show. No, he was straight up ball,

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no caps or anything. He's embracedit. Yeah, it's hard because
you're a rock star, right andthen well he's not the conventional rockstar.
He knows it. Yeah, butnow but the problem is the problem is
that, you know a lot ofthis was initiated by the hairstyle and then
now it's been removed. Yeah,so what do you you know what I'm
saying. So it's difficult, right, Like I'm she's trying to marry the

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two like the cheap morning show questionsare going to be about some of the
hairy So you're addressed the guy addressedthe hairstyle and he you know, he's
being very clean and correals like yeah, you know, it's like, well
it's all gone now, you know, he's like he was making killed at
it, right that would be awesome. You actually wore like a nice professional

(52:57):
wig like where on you know,Game of Thrones or them, and have
it all like spiking it up stiff. You know a lot of them wear
wigs there like you know. I'mjust saying, like a professional. He
has John snow hair full of seagulls, Uncle benjin hair v the be all

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right, jel and my last onehere from at big mcclarche huge eight eight
three can only be good right withthat name for three weeks ago, says
I love this song. I wasborn in eighty six and remember this song
playing from my dad's stereo or onMTV on our big trinitron. Good times,
and miss the days when you coulddress like the weirdest manager Target has
ever had and still be a rockstone. Also by city by city,

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that's what he says. And I'llend with that. Al right, guys,
uh I ran so far away byflock of seagulls. Would you keep
it or would you throw it backback back back back from it? All
right? Now, I'll ask you. I'll go ahead, I'll give it
to you. I'll tell you this. It's like after watching how Bad House

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Spliced. But it's completely different genresand styles of music. But the way
baous Well, the creator of theMask video, put that one together,
probably in a smaller budget than thisone, and that one, I don't
know, just is more engaging.But granted this became iconic because it's a
flock of seagulls and the song washuge in America. So I don't know,

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I mean, I don't think it'sa fair comparison to really, you
know, and the mores were forfar different, yeah, far different,
And this wasn't exactly the mask aspectwasn't a representation of the song. This
was more representation of song as areaction also to MTV being big, so
we got to do this, sowe want to be mainstream, So this
was an approach of being mainstream.Bows, which is an art project,
this one was to be mainstream.But comparing it to like Durandran video,

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you know, like I was saying, like, I mean, I think
they're just a skilled musically as DuranDuran was around that time. But I
don't know this, I find thiseffort very weak. I mean, technically
it is weak. But they've neverdone a music video before. You know,
We've done a lot of podcasts wherelike it's their first music video,
like a journey. That one waslike really bad, but this one,

(55:20):
like, I think it's a reallybad music video. The effects are amateurish.
I did like the little sonic thingwhen the guy's playing the guitar,
little sonic waves that's happening in there. They overlay. But I thought the
flashes on the future Geisha's eyes werepretty pretty subpart. But yeah, this
one, I don't. I can'tkeep this video, but I do.
It's one of my favorite songs.Ever, It's just it's not a good

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representation of it, you know.So I'm throwing this one back. I
actually threw something back that makes perfectsense. But look, let me just
say, first of all, Ithink this is an excellent example of less
is more, and I also thinkthat this is an inspiration for people who
are just starting. But overall,okay, it's I was divided. I

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wanted to throw it back, butI felt like I couldn't really throw it
back, you know, so I'mdeciding to kind of keep it, and
and yes I am. My actualanswer is, yes, I am going
to keep this video. You know, there's there's certain music and I think
this time of music video making.You know, it's very primitive and as
forensic files would say, it's inits infancy, that's in stage of infancy.

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Yeah, I think I think that, you know, what they really
needed. Okay, I can't.It's hard for me to throw it back
because because of its impact, right, because they created that and how cheaply
it was made and how like likehow fast it was created but was still
able to catapult this band, thisbandy just started. It came out of

(56:51):
nowhere. True. But the thingis, everyone does talk about the bad
parts in this video. You know, if you look at the YouTube comments,
they do you mentioned it. It'slike, you know, if the
director probably hit maybe had more money, he could have cut a few bits,
you know, and sure, andhe could waste more film, so
to speak. The film was superexpensive back then. My argument is that

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this became iconic. Yeah, yeah, And the reason why it became iconic
is because this is what we thebudget we had and we gave it out
and it was effective and just forthat, just for that, I think
it's for me at least, it'sit's worth keeping because there's a lot of
other videos that were like, well, we had the same budget, and
it was also iconic, but itwas still shitty, right, So and
it didn't do anything more for thatband or for that particular song. So

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and that's the that's my reason behindit. And again back to the infancy
and now. But you know what, to the people listening, please give
the album a listen, man,because I just feel like it's one of
those albums that you were just like, oh you know, yeah, I
know, Flacaucy goes, yeah,I know, I ran, I know
a space stage looks. The wholealbum is amazing beginning to end, and

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it's forty six minutes of running time. It's an amazing feat that they created
and I think it's it's well deserved. You know that they're still being talked
about today, So kudos to them. All right, good take, good
take. That's for me, yea. I you know, what I put
it into perspective, like I alwaysdo, is the band into it.
They're there, they're having planning,they're having fun, curriculum. It looks
good. It's very effective. Imean, the video probably helped themselves a

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lot more records, especially in Americathrough MTV. This is their first album.
They have no money five thousand dollarsprobably all went to the you know
what what they used to film itwith, and then the director because he
was already directing stuff. You know. So I'm going to keep this video.
I think it's I think it's actuallyit's not too far off from the
video Killer Radio Start, that isa couple of years before that. They

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were already kind of like famous musiciansmaking money. They already had money,
and they used Painbox Pro, whichis a very expensive thing. It looks
like a shoestring budget for these guys, and it's probably one of the most
iconic videos from the eighties. Youknow, it is a very very iconic
video. I think for that,I'm going to keep it just because of,
you know, the kind of classof what it is in new wave
history. You know, it isa jankie video. It is on top

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of you know, watching it,it is a good look into what the
eighties was and of everything you know, eighties was politically and everything you know,
it was very fake and stuff likethat, you know, and it
does reflect on a lot of whatthe eighties was. If you were trying
to explain it to a thirteen yearold in twenty twenty three, watch this
this is what the eighties was aboutin its early stage. Yeah, it
makes perfect sense. There was aline in SpongeBob It's called everything is Chrome

(59:29):
in the future, and I thinkit got its start from this music way,
but it is you know, itis as good as it is funny
exactly. Yeah. Yeah, andyou know, and the song helps and
that the whole bands into it andthey're doing it and I like it and
it's not you know where I threwback, like the Journey one because it's

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just kind of cheesy and they're kindof almost kind of not mocking, but
like kind of like, you know, mugging the camera. These guys are
serious, man, Like you're seriouslyinto it. With their shades on,
they look cool, and I thinkit looks cool. Yeah, and yeah,
I'm gonna keep it. But Iunderstand why someone would throw it away
for sure. Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, you know most I
think those people with the Road Awaya lot a lot of it too,

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you know, when we get tothis portion of the show, a lot
of it too. You know,I kind of want to weigh it with
the factors of the band, theirhistory, and it's like sometimes you know,
you kind of feel for the peoplethat produced created the history behind it.
You know, it's like you understandit, you don't like, yeah,
okay, I get it, youknow, like so and again you
know you're just trying to be objectiveand like keeping it and throwing it away.

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But again there's a lot to weigh, right, and you have to
kind of measure it with with what'shappening during that time. But perfectly understandable
whether you keep it or you don'tkeep it. But yes, absolutely,
man, I just want one scenewhere the drummer is being like also tormented
by the girls. Everybody, everybodyelse got torment, but to the drummer,
he just sticks away and starts eatingeverybody. Because yeah, realize that

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exactly memory fantasy of mine. Someonesaid to be a zombie so fat.
I don't know, it's stupid,psycho sexual. He's a cool guy.
I mean, if you watched that, you know again the H one documentary,
he he's a he's a chill dude, plastic. I have no idea
though, why we still don't know. They wasn't really described as that siblings.
Man, there's always gonna be theLiam Gallagher, you know, the

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Kinks. You know, there's alwaysa brother rivalry there. You know what's
interesting about the documentaries when they actuallyget together as a band. Right,
The mom shows up, right,and she was like, you know that
wants my boys to be good,you know, like getting along and stuff,
just like a real mother would.Yea, And yeah, I'm glad
that we're finally getting along, right, you know, so shut up,

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mom. They're like the fifties somethinganother. You know, when I was
young, there was a band calledFocus. All right. That concludes the
episode one Throwback two keeps really youhave a surprise for us? What is
my turn? Next? Was Isupposed to come with the video? Wells
kidding? So yeah, for mychoice on the next video Episode one O

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two, Episode one oh two,I'm gonna do the nineteen eighty six hit
maybe new Energy, our pop electricpop hit New Shoes Point of No Return?
Wow? Wait, new Shoes pointof no Return? How does that
go? I'm at the point now. I don't think I've ever heard of
I know, new Shoes. Ican't wait, but yeah, not this

(01:02:30):
one? Okay, all right,yeah, you can't wait? Videos pretty
boring. I like the New Shoes. I like the point of no returning
videos better because the other song.The other hit was kind of like the
yeah, all right, okay,then we'll see you next time. Thank
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times? Rattles in the bank?There you go. That's the right answer,
the best answer. Good for you.