Ep. 108-Evil (Interpol)

Things get heavy with this installment as Louie, Ryan & Al discuss puppets, a serial killer couple, and the New York based band Interpol through their uncanny music video, “Evil.”

Episode Transcript

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hello, and welcome to episode onehundred and eight of Throwback Music Video

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Review podcast, and tonight we willbe reviewing Evil by Interpol. It's quite
a festive song for dispestive holidays,right guys, try so I saw by
you? Guys? It is definitelyworship him a very crampusy song. Uh
Evil is a song by American rockband Interpoal. It was released as a

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second single from their second studio albumin two thousand and four's Antics. The
music video was directed by Charlie Whiteand has thirty million views on YouTube.
So, guys, what is yourhistory with Evil? I have a lot
of history with Evil, but notso much with Interpol. I don't know.

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Interpol was a It was an upand up and coming band when I
was a young man, many yearsago. Now they came out of the
woodwork. Right. We have oldBrooklyn post scene you will Meet Me in
the Bathroom. What is that documentary? No, really, no, it's
good. Yeah, it's all aboutthem. It's all about this time in
music post nine to eleven New Yorkscene. What's the name of the documentary?

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Meet Me in the Bathroom, MeetMe in the Bathroom. Okay,
so it's like the Strokes, Interpol, Beat TV on the radio, the
Yeah, yeah, yeahs like primarilyNew York, all that New York,
New York base. Talk a littlebit about the liars, but man,
this was a whole genre in andof itself when all this yeah kind of
came up, right, I'm saying, like a wave. No, yeah,

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but the like the the documentary mostlyis like LCD sounds is the Strokes,
and so they're all New York based. I'm not very familiar with.
Well, there was like a NewYork scene, right, yeah, yeah,
the post So it's a post nineeleven. That's how the the tragedy
influenced the scene basically, No,I think it's I'm sorry, not post
nine eleven, pre nine eleven andthen nine to eleven happened, and then

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because it was like from the nineteennineties to the two thousand and then nine
to eleven happened, and it kindof changed it because people think it was
a really like party scene. It'slike a turn of the center. Yeah,
okay, it was very kind oflike I'm not going to say electroclash,
but it harkened back to it hada little bit of like influence from
like the no wave scene from NewYork, so because it was very like
dancy and it was very like clubbybut it was bands. So you know,

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that's the LCD sounds system, likea liquid sky or what So,
it's a lot of it is thatthat angular guitar all the time, right,
which is that's like James Chance,right exactly, DNA and all those
early the wave. Yeah, butit's just another layer of this kind advancement
of it. Yeah. Yeah,so that's you know, where they all

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kind of came out of, andthat's where it kind of you know,
the whole thing. And I meanwe all grew up in the club seeing
Yeah, they were playing all ofa sudden overnight, like all these new
music was coming was being played byclubs because a lot it's dancy, right,
It's very dancy because of that thebeat, you know, So it
was kind of like that. Allthis also hit at the same time that,
like the White Stripes came out,the Vine Right, Libertines, Libertines,

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Block Party, all those bands likethat, they Rapture, Raptures,
they all kind of have that samesame Anglo guitar riffs, but they're always
played in dance clubs. That's whatI've noticed. So that was the thing,
is like music bands that are playingdance music, which hadn't happened to
a long time, so that waslike the whole what clubs would play them?

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Though all the ones I went toduring that era, I remember Fusion
was one that was very prominent inthis kind of scene. Some of this
stuff too. I've seen the genresometimes, Uh, dance punk is sometimes
used to describe some of this,right, some of the post punk revival,
where it's dance Yeah, you know, it's because even the singing is

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kind of it's it's the one thatstands out more. And then screaming,
screaming, which probably has a lotto do with the whole emo scream oh
like, but not but not inthat sense of yeah, it's it's weird,
right, music kind of like kindof stretches out and branches out in
all these different areas. Even thoughthere you can see the threadn between the

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genres, it's a complete direct influencefrom the no Way like what's her name,
Linda Lunch and like they're all screamingand they're all yelling and they're you
know, that's a lot of that, and I think maybe it did kind
of end up going into the emostuff, right right, maybe, Well,
I mean because kids and finally gottired of corn and stuff like that
and like rock wrap and stuff.So then I think that was an easy

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and just very quickly, I justwanted to rant. You know, the
kids these days they think emo isgoth, which is I find strange.
Isn't that weird that they think whenwhen you when they hear the term emo,
they immediately think that it's the gothscene when they have no idea where
it's coming from. But I seewhere they got it from. But I
could see being a kid from likenot the city and thinking, you know,

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that's the same thing, because youknow, there's a there is a
similar there's similar element elements to youknow, not necessarily exactly, but you
could just see someone wearing all blackand then think that, but see not
musically yeah, not at all.That's what that was my whole thing.
Well, they're in for a surprisewhen they actually find it. Yeah yeah,
well because it's not like my chemicalromance or yeah exactly what's the other

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one? Like it's kind of likethat dark attire, but the music doesn't
really kind of match. But thenagain, you know, all this is
when you talk goth what is gothmusic? I know, you know,
like is it industrial? Is it? Is it sad? Is it thrashy
metal sounding guitar cramps? Right?Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I
mean there's a cramps at the gothfollowing. But of course, well there's

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a spectrum to every music music genre, you know, Like I don't know
if you ever seen like those posterswould all say, like goth music,
and then they'll have like influences,and it has all the bands that go
off, right, and then allthe bands that go off of that,
and like the genealogy of the familytree of music. Yeah, and it
makes sense, you know, likeeven I'm sure individually are influences, right,

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like we might kind of represent acertain style or a certain area of
music, but behind that you're soinfluenced by so many other things. That
has nothing to do with what youlook like or you know, how you
represent even your own music, yourown art. Right, That's just the
way it is, makes sense.But one of the things about Interpal,
the band that we're talking about today, is I never got into them because
I thought they were trying to bejoy Division m hm, because of the

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voice, you know, and Iwas like monotone, yeah, and I'm
like, no, like, Ijust I'll just listen to fucking joy Division,
right exactly. But I mean thatis also the worst time of my
life of being a human being.Like, you know, the worst time
of a man's life is between eighteenand like twenty three years old. You're

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a fucking prick. You think youknow everything, you think you're the fucking
god of the world, and thethings that you like are the most important
fucking things ever and it which isnot true, right, because I was
just like, oh, I'm notgonna watch that. I'm not gonna listen
to that. Oh that looks stupid, you know, And then what happens.
I end up watching Seinfeld in mylike third when I'm like thirty five,

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and I'm like, oh, thisis great, ye are I come
back? And I listen to asong like Evil and I'm like, wow,
this is a really good song.I really like this song. You
know, are you know some oftheir other songs. I'm like, hey,
they're pretty good, you know.So I kind of came back to
it, and now I have appreciationof better appreciation to our you know.
So you also have a different yearat this point. You know you've heard

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so much well, like the samething with the Strokes. Yeah, immature.
When I heard the Strokes, Iwas like, they just sound like
they're trying to do you know,foggy notion from the Velvet Underground, like
audust listen to fucking Valvet Underground,right, But then I learned a little
bit about them, and I'm like, oh, wow, you know,
the Strokes are a band, butactually they're just the singer. He actually
does everything, He writes all thesongs. I'm like, hey, that's
actually for a one guy ban that'sactually pretty fucking good. So then I

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was like, yeah, that's prettyimpressive. So you know, when you
start this is also cheap internet backthen you couldn't look up things and read
it. But then also I wasa prick and automatically dismissed everything you know.
And that's this thing too, isthat nowadays, at the age of
Spotify, Apple Music, or youcan listen to anything with very little financial
consequences. Yeah, and so you'reyou basically like music has become democratized.

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But the problem is is that,you know, for unfortunately for the artists,
they barely get compensated for any ofthose streams. You know, back
then you would have to go tofucking Tower Records and hopefully it's on their
like play thing where you go putsome headphones on. Hopefully there's not people
taking up the headphones. There's onlylike what tanned spaces, and then you
could listen to an album you getPink Eye or something you get like ear

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Mites or something like you get earCovid, and then you go like,
Okay, this is actually pretty good. I want to check it out,
you know, but like now youlisten, I could just on my Apple
Music, I could just listen towhatever the fuck I want. Also,
too, I was most humbled whenyou start making your own music, and
I'm sure you guys can relate,and then you go, oh shit,

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my stuff is just as derivative.Caddy, just like all those other bands
and I ship, this is thetruth, right, Oh shit, Okay,
then you know what, I forgivethose guys, you know what,
I like you guys know they're notthat bad. They're just doing what they're
doing. You know, it's thesame thing. It's okay, it's okay.
We go through it. Well,at that time, between eighteen and

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let's say twenty three, you thinkthat what you're doing is the most radical
new thing ever, you know,and like, I'm doing it. Bro,
can fucking sell out, bro,you know, like, and it's
like you listen, listen to myold ship. It's terrible. I'm like,
oh, this is the bat We'rething ever. It sounds terrible,
you know. So like, no, I think the new perspective and listening

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to and going back and listening toa lot of these bands, I have
a lot more appreciation for them.There were a couple of bands that I
really like, Like I like theWhite Stripes, I like the Vines,
and you know a couple of theother bands. Block Party is really good.
Yeah that was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, So there's a lot
of bands that I did like.I like, yeah, yea, yeah,
they're actually I've actually sung a coupleyeah, yeah, yeah, I

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think that's that's a good song.That was like my intro to do.
Yeah, as was maps in rockband, rock band. That was that
was the cool. It was oneof the easiest songs to do. Yeah,
that's one of the videos on mylist feature video. That's a good
video. It's a really good video. So what about you. You know
anything about Interpol? I absolutely knownothing. I thought you knew Carlos D.
You don't know arebody's DJ various clubsaround there. I think I could

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have sworn we probably crossed at aclub scene somewhere down in the line.
No, but as far as interpoal, I've heard of them. I may
have seen them live at a clubwhen they were still small time, but
I wasn't sure that was them orband that just kind of sound like them,
But I didn't okay, no,No, Like this was like at
a random downtown l a club whereI want to see another band who's a

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friend of mine was performing that night, and somehow Interpol was the first band.
But don't take my word for it. It I could have sworn that
was Interpol because I just kind oflike, you know, I wasn't there
for the band. I was therefor my friend it was it was actually
playing. But anyway, uh yeahno. But as far as like Interpol
there, you know, when theygot super big and all that, I
I have very minimal information on era. Well you didn't know about really any

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of the bands from the Meet Youin the Bathroound nothing really no, No,
that was a time where like Iwas just like her mudgeoned out.
Yeah, I was just like Iwas tunnel Vision with my scene of music,
which is was goth industrial eighties andship yeah punk, So like that
was it. That was That waslike my worldview at that time when when
Inner Pole was blowing up and youknow, towers were crashing down. So

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have you taken a look at whatsomeone like their comparisons have been, of
course, like you know post punkbands like Jody Vision. I mean,
well right here, look at JodyVision television and the Chameleons, also the
Bunnyman and Susie and the Banchees,right right, I love exactly and then
I mean I see it. Isee it, and but you know,
of course they have their old youknow, their their own twist to it.
Very New York as well, butit's mainly American if you ask me,

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right, that's at the British AmericanNew York or from Brooklyn, I
think, or something Britain or no, no, okay, that's straight rock
band from Manhattan, New York,like Manhattan Rich Kids, maybe Manhattan Transferred.
You know, they're very much ofan American band that you could tell
is influenced by British bands. Right. It's like, I mean, you

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know, it kind of came aroundthe same era when She Wants Revenge was
big too, sure, and theirmusic kind of sounds the same in a
way in your view, in mypoint, in my in my ears,
because ye, she wants to alittle more sinstance driven or like driven definitely
interpose more you know, strip guitarsand drums and classic four piece and also

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too. At the time, therewas a ton of guys trying to look
like Carlos d at the club,right, dressing like him. Right,
there's a whole like look, youknow, like a tough guy, you
know, trying to be like,you know, wearing I remember seeing guys
wearing like the gun holster, theleather gun holsters, you know, with
the with the white shirt, youknow, trying to be Carlos D't out.

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That's a good though. You know, I want the loci of that
s the hard Loki with the suit. It's like the same look. Yeah
yeah, you like with the withthe shirt and tie, but definitely the
hair, just like the the maincharacter in the video. Right yeah,
so we you know, we reallydon't have anything to do with this band,
but but but Louis picked it becauseit is a very special music video.

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So they're not going to really getinto interpols hist I mean, they
all met around college time. Thesinger was a hip hop artist before I
think, and then he became asinger, but he actually did he actually
did an album with one of theguys from the Wu Tang clan, like
a solo thing too, so whenyou know, on on his off time,
and then they ended up getting togetherand then you know, finally making

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the thing and then Carlos d leftlater on and then they have a new
bass player. Now. But interestingthing about this video is the director.
So the director of this video isCharlie White. Charlie White is an artist,
right, Charlie White is a roboticartist that is insane. I even
heard of that. His art isvery cool. Dude, I don't even

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understand how very quickly. Sorry,I don't know. I'm not sure.
I didn't get a chance to look. But does he have does he have
other videos that he made? No, this is his only video. Like
what kind of does he does?Like robotic sculptures in a way where they
would do performance art, and hedoes robotic sculptures that are in you can
actually watch them watch them on YouTube. I saw what where he's it's like
a hand and then there's like anorb almost like a globe, and it's

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just like spinning the ball. It'sfucking crazy. It's but like a couple
other directors that we've done, hewent to you know, art center right
here in LA but he's from here. Yeah, yeah, well he went
to school here. He's actually fromPhiladelphia, but he went to he went
to university, right and but yeah, that's interesting. His art is very

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very interesting and this video is interesting. So let's talk about the robot.
What is his Norman Norman normOn,that's what the Reddit people call him.
Whatever. He actually had the robotcommissioned by the people who did the effects
for Hallboy and Fantastic Four. Sothe company that did that is the one
who made the actual robot. He'salready connected the skin and everything like that

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and and all that stuff, andthen the puppeteering. I think they said
it took like six puppeteers where theyhad to be digitally removed. And then
the eyes in the I know,the eyes and the eyebrows were actually recorded
on loops, right, that wererecorded into a computer and the robot brain
of the you know processor. Yeah, and they were it was like a

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loop and they would have to recordthe video on the loops. So they
would do they would actually set uphow his eyes are going to move,
and then they would go and thenrecord with all the puppets and then stop
and then put another budget takes it. Probably that's how I well that I
think that that's what I was mentioningand we watching it that I think that
was the when where the emotions reallycome from the eyes, right, otherwise

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it wouldn't be Yeah, the browsof course, anything that has to do
with that with it where it showsyou know, change in mood, right
or emotion and the eyes in thebrower like it's you know, it's fake
because it doesn't look like a human, but the eyes are. It's so
weird, the eyes and the teethright, how that Uncounty Valley look.
And because he's like beat up andthen like sweating and like turning green almost

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like he's dying, You're like,oh, shoot, well, there's an
element of feeling sorry for Yeah,it's a character, you know, that's
I think that's the empathy part ofit. Absolutely. That's one thing about
Like I don't know if you guysknow this about me. I have like
a huge saucepud for puppets. Idon't know why, like like Sesame Street
puppets like that. When I wasa kid, my goal in life was

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to become a puppeteer. Yes,when I was a kid, my dream
was to get a Charlie McCarthy puppetfrom Toys r US. They used to
sell them. There's a whole isleof puppets that Toys r US, right,
And I wanted one so bad,but they were so expensive. And
I used to do pretty good voices. I used to do Kermit the Frog
and Grover. I thought I wasgoing to be able to work for like

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Jim Hanson one day, Like Ithought like I could do this. You
know, there's no reading or mathrequired and this, Like I just you
know it's all art, you know, like I just do a whole like
you know, it's not a kurr. So yeah, I have. I
also have the diffidity. I mean, that's one of the reasons why I
picked this, my my obsession withpuppets. Yeah, there's the things like

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you know, like I don't knowwhat it is, but like like when
I would see like as the Streetepisode where it's like big Bird sad,
I would really feel sad. Ofcourse I don't get it, Like I
know it's a puppet or whatever,but what is it? Like is it
because I associate says to me truewith innocence and like I don't have anymore.
Well, if you think of thehistory of puppets, right, if

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you think back hundreds of years,it's an extension of the human being,
right, I guess. So there'sthere's a certain But the thing is,
it's so strange. And I'm onlytalking about this because as a young man,
we you know, a bunch ofus we had a puppet show.
We we actually perform in front ofa live audience, you know, where
we the puppet. There's recorded footageof this. Yeah, is this the
three of the penis thing that youdid. Sorry, I'm sorry that was

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in my later that was just lastyear. I don't know why the flyer
is going to be on the Instagramin but you know, it's one of
those things where you give it life, right like you for once, you
can give it life like you God. Yeah right, you can give this
this inanimate object a personality, right, a background the backstore so and and
you're doing it live. But thething is you're connected still, right,

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whether it be strings or whether itbe your hand underneath. And I think
that's the fascination, right, andthen the voice behind it too. So
no, we had I remember infirst grade, we had a puppet show
and we had to make our ownpuppets. Oh wow, so you built
the puppet from scratch and we hadto actually make them like kind of pretty
good, like the teacher was likegrading us on it and stuff like that.
And then we did a whole firstgrade. Yeah, we did a

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whole puppet show. It was ait was a rainbow bright puppet show.
Wow. And I remember it andit's probably the only thing in first grade
that I got an A in andI almost failed the first grade. But
yeah, so I think my putmy love for puppetry goes back to probably
when I was a really young kid. But then from that where a while
I could actually do this. Thisis something I have a skill of doing,

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and you know, puppetry and puppetsin general, Muppets included. It's
I can't not pay attention to it, right, you have to stop and
go, wait a minute, what'sgoing on? What's the story? Right?
Remember the show Wonders shows in Yeah, yeah, it's insane, you
know, like you know, theadult version of Bits and Pumpets, right,
and it's like you can't not getinto it. So strange, right,
those kinds of things. That's whyyou know, look Sessame Street,

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the fascination with it, right,all the Jim Henson stuff, triumph,
you can't not be like pay attentionto it, like gets so strange.
That's another one, right, anyof those things. Yeah, Okay,
now that we got through the band, we got through Puppets, we got
through our life, let's get prettydark. Let's talk about what the song
the Other side of the Coin about. This is some dark ship? Is

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this confirmed though, by the way, that this is what it's about,
That's what it does? It Idon't think they've ever talked about it.
It's not official, but it's eightytwenty. That's what everybody is thinking.
I read the lyric. Yeah,when you read the lyrics, okay,
it has to be it. Yeah. So we're talking Fred and Rosemary West,
right, British serial killers? Isthat what they're Yes, absolutely,

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yes, yes, yes, torture, rape, murdered, absolutely worse.
Yeah, family members and the weirdparty is like, you know, me
and Ryan we talked a little abouttrue crime in this show, but like,
I've never heard of these guys.Oh really, I've never heard of
them. We started research like,holy crap, these people are absolute villainy.
I've seen them on like talked aboutin like the serial Killer kind of

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like yeah, documentary kind of things. Yeah. Before and then when they
came up, I was like,oh, weird, it's horrifying me that
Rosemary is still alive. That well, for the listeners who are not familiar,
the song is supposed to be aboutthis married couple named Fred and Rosemary
West during what the sixties and seventiesin Gloucester in between the years nineteen seventy

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one in nineteen eighty seven, sothey lived in this in this house,
right, like a multi story house. They had like what nine kids,
right, something like that, eightkids. But what they did was what
they would pick up girls, younggirls usually so yeah, bus stops and
ship like that, and have themlived with them, their runaways, runaways
exactly live with them. And thenyou know, all of a sudden turns
dark, right they do they thisthe tor train to satisfy their sexual appetites.

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Yeah, rapes. And they wouldall get pregnant usually too. Once
they get pregnant, it's old,that's when. And then the thing was
too, is that like before Rosemarymet Fred, you know, Fred had
his own kids and she and shelike killed one of them because she just
cannot handle that person, right,right. And then I mean, if
you go back to Fred killed Ithink two of his former wives before that.

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And then Rosemary was getting molested byher father since birth or something like
that, and I think she gotpregnant from her father also, and then
Fred would let the father come overwhen they were adults and married and still
sex with her. So it wasand more of them. Yeah, because
Fred too when he was young,right, supposedly his his mom devirtinized him.

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Oh really, yeah. And thenat the time when Fred he was
the oldest, I guess, andhe'd been molesting his youngest, younger sister
and then got her pregnant, sohe was kind of like ostracized. But
you know, growing up he wasalways like made fun of and and like
picked on and bullied. So theykind of had this. Rosemary also got
kicked out of the house for molestingher brothers. See, so they they

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kind of met, and it's sixstars aligned for them, right, so
they knew that they that they kindof like jelled, and yeah, she
got kicked out of the house Ithink at fourteen or thirteen for molesting her
brothers. And then the thing wasto do is that she started dating Fred.
He was like he was older,eleven thousand years older. Yeah,
much much older. And her incessshe was Dad did not approve of you

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being an old man, but youcould be with me. But yeah,
that's part of a rebellion, ofcourse you did to stick with them.
And then you know, over theyears, Fred was pimping her out to
people at the local bars. Andthen all of their kids are different races
a lot of times, different fathers, different father from different fathers and stuff.
So all around that situation. Butthen people would start going missing and

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then they cops finally looked into itand they found all the bodies under the
porch and stuff like. Well,they arrested both of them, right,
well, at first I didn't Shewas saying I had nothing to do with
it, right, because Fred Westactually said she had, you know,
leave her out of it as allme. Right, he took the blame,
right, He was trying to takeall the blame. But she sold
him out anyway, She was sellinghim out. And I think the truth

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of venture that came out because theyfound that there was a time period where
Fred was in jail but someone died, like I think Fred's daughter died and
they found her. It could onlybe her, right, and she's the
only one responsible. So then theystarted pitting more stuff on her. Unbelievable.
But the thing is, eventually whenthey were incarcerated, he I think
he kind of endeared himself to thejailers, right, and he was like,

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you know, you know, I'lldo anything, you know, just
to keep my I just want tobe busy until my trial starts. And
he asked the jailers for like,you know, like all men clothes was
whatever. So he fashioned the thingto the cloth and he sewed it together
and he was able to hang himself. So he got out of his his
thing. You know. So thewhole the lyrics, right, the first
line is or the first word isRosemary, right, yeah, where she
has to live this nightmare on herown without him, even though he's he's

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like, I'm waiting for you inheaven baby. Yeah. Yeah, So
that's the whole idea behind it.It's crazy. It's a crazy story.
And you're right, I'd never reallybeen familiar with this particular story, you
know, with this it's crazy.It shocked me, right. I don't
know if you guys caught the oneI sent you guys the Yearyeah, watch
that one. The girl who livedyou know, and they didn't put in
put her name, there's no name. They don't mention who she is.
But it's an interview. It's astraight up documentary interview where she had lived

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with them when she was entertained.She just run away as well, but
she lived with the family and lookingback, she's she can see the lump
in her throat and the grossness inside, like she never really understood until after
the fact. It's kind of crazybecause I think at the time too,
is like illegal to be a runawayfrom your parents, so you would either
go to jail or you would getsent back home. And if you're running
away from, you know, abad situation at home, home, you're

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either going to get sent back therehome where their bad situations happening. Are
you gonna get sent to jail.So there's no place, you know,
And these people were preying on thosepeople right their doors were over. They
were actually using the law to dotheir bad deeds, you know. And
the lady who lived with them,or she was a young girl at the

(26:21):
time, said, like, youknow, if I would have said anything
at that time that no one wouldhave believed me. They could just say
you're some shitty runaway prostitute, youknow, to get out of here,
you know. So it's different time. But yeah, that's what this song
is about. Oh my god.But I like the fact that they didn't
do that for the video because especiallythen, they could have made a whole

(26:41):
narrative just around that and then madea video about that, you know,
like that's not Charlie White's no yeahyeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So
like but like inter the record labelcould have done that without Charlie White.
You know, this is you know, there's sometimes it's a clever move where
you don't want to hit it righton the nose. Yeah, that would
have been terrible. Yeah, exactly. And apparently before this video is just

(27:03):
interpolled the band all the time inthe music videos. Yeah, they don't
really have a lot of videos evenright, most of it is like performance
performance, but this is the firsttime we just think it's without the band.
Without the band it featured, right, and yeah, so this was
the end result, which is youand it's the one that's I think most
people have been looking for. Well, they watched that puppet sticks in your

(27:23):
brain of course, yeah jesus.Yeah, but let's let me very quickly
back to the puppet. Supposedly afterthe use, right, he disappeared and
and oh that yeah, yeah,so after the puppet was used, you
know, it was put into likestorage, right. I think it was
put into the storage of where allthe puppets were for like the how Boy
and stuff like that, all likeinto that thing, you know, because

(27:45):
they're the ones who made it.And that's what happens with the puppets.
They rot, especially that that kindof late text late text, right,
it rots and starts to fall apart. And I think you've seen I don't
know if you see ever seeing theold Ninja turtle once, like the Ninja
Turtle suits, how they kind ofrotted to m hm. And yeah,
a lot of times prop pauses willsell a lot of their stuff or people

(28:06):
will take it or buy, youknow, lots of it, you know,
and then you know, this onegot lost. Norman got lost,
and then he ended up on somelike you know, eBay. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, imagine getting Norman. But I mean, he looked terrible.
He barely looked like himself. Itwas horrifying. And I guess some
one Reddit guy or maybe he wasI don't know where he was. I

(28:29):
don't know what it was at thetime. I think it was Reddit though
I was looking for it. Ithink he's he was an Interpool fan and
he was looking for it, andthen he saw it, and then they
took it down off eBay, andthen he ended up finding the person who
he had, that person who wasselling on eBay and up giving it away
to somebody, and then that personended up selling it to the guy who
has it now and rebuilt it.Also they they restored it all. Yeah,

(28:49):
so he got it. He didlike a GoFundMe to have it restored,
and if you look at the videos, he has it all restored and
it fucking works still, Like it'skind of crazy like the So there's mechanisms
inside of it in the face thatrecording, so it records onto like like
a little hard drive. You usea computer to to record the movements and
then it keeps doing the movements ona loop. It's interesting. So it's

(29:11):
just like kind of like normal.It is scary. Yeah, yeah,
there's every like all the all themotors are connected and you could like kind
of record like the brow going down, eyes, the eyes of all that
stuff like that. Well, goodfor people, good for fans. Right,
Well, he's using it for likehe's doing like a YouTube thing where

(29:32):
he like uses it as like likeI don't know, like what he uses
to talk to you basically, Yeahyeah, yeah, it's like a presenter
hot. Yeah, but like Ithink I saw some videos where it was
it was barely like it was stilllike falling apart and horrifying. Yeah yeah,
and then that's like I can't watchthis. I love me my good

(29:53):
old innocent puppets, you know,but this one is just like quite nice
of Freddy's. Speaking of what helooks like, I was reading that he
was kind of fashioned after the fanbase of of Interpolt, right, people
who were fans like you know thatkind of look usually I guess maybe Caucasian
with hair like that, basically hipsters. But they're trying to say, but

(30:15):
they didn't want to say it outright. Well, he looks a little
bit like the lead singer, sortof sort of right. He dances a
little bit like Ian Curtis. Butwhat do you think? The narrative of
the video is like, it's atake a break, all right, We'll
continue with some pop quiz and thensome more evil. All right, here

(30:37):
we go, so number one popquiz, alright. Several countries they claimed
to being the first to use puppets. One of these places it was France.
Their little figures were used to entertainchildren and parents. Who was the
first Marionette, our little figure,which is what's what marionette means in English?
Named after? Okay, okay,so the first what they with France

(31:00):
claims is the first puppet to benamed after Joan of Arc the Virgin Mary,
Madam d pomp dior r Bridget Bordeaux. My guess would be Virgin Mary,
Virgin Mary. I'm gonna go withJoan of arc jonah arc Al.
You are the puppet master. Yeah, Mary was tired. Marionette is a

(31:23):
puppet pulled on strings or wires.What is the name of the person who
controls the puppetry movement? A?The handler? B the holder? See
the manipulator? Are d the paddler? How do you spell paddler? P
A D D L E R.I'm let's just let's see the manipulator.

(31:45):
I'm gonna go with the manipulator.Okay, the man handler. I go
with paddler, paddler, Ryan,you are the puppet master. It is
the manipulator. Here you go toor false? Al. We're gonna go
with you first on this one.In the nineteen sixty five film The Sound
of Music, Maria and the childrensaying the lonely goat Herder while performing a

(32:05):
puppet show in front of their father. It took Julie Andrews six weeks to
master the skills of puppetry. Whotrue are false? Well, first off,
I've never seen the Sound of musicI've never seen it. I'll go
false. Right, it's true,it is false. Where the goat herder
around? Ryan's going to go firston this one. What is the name

(32:27):
of the famous puppet theater in Japan? Katsuya gets to burn Baraku or Bento?
It's the first one Katsua, andthen the second one get to you
can go geta okay, guests.The other ones a restaurants, bento,

(32:52):
right, box? Yeah, thefirst one, No, it's see barankuk.
Yeah, that's a hard one.Another form of puppetry uses the art
of ventriloquism while manipulating a dummy.What is the nearest meaning to the word

(33:12):
ventriloquism? All right? A comicmimic B visual transmitted signs see ridiculed by
imitation are d The art of projectingone's voice. That's a good one.
I think it's projecting. Okay,event, you guys are both puppet masters.
Yes, projecting one's voice make anevent you know, not to gonna

(33:37):
shoot out. I never thought.Salzburg in Austria is home to one of
the oldest marionette theaters in the world. What type of music normally accompanies these
productions? A opera B hornpipe?See no music? Are d harp pipes
sound like a hornpipe? And Ihave no idea? What's the first one?

(34:00):
Opera opera? I'm gonna go withthe horn pipe. I'll go with
no music. You guys are bothnot busting. It's a opera, really,
so it's opera with that's probably prettycool. I mean, I guess
you know Austria with Mozart. Punchand Judy is a popular glove puppet attraction

(34:21):
in the UK. Have you everseen that? Tell you medieval movies?
Right? Which idiom originated from thecharacter of mister Punch? So the idiom?
Okay? So is it a punchdrunk? Is it be pleased as
punch? Is it c happy asLarry r? D? Slappy? Happy
Larry slappy? Okay you have what'sthe first one's punch drunk? The second

(34:42):
drunk is pleased as punch. I'mgonna go with punch drunk. A you're
the pupp Yeah, I've never heardof it. Please, I read it
on an X Men comic book.Rogue was saying it to someone. Here
we go? Which famous marionette showwas created by E Roger Mirror and was
first introduced to television screens across Americain nineteen forty seven. Is it a

(35:06):
Pinocchio? B? Howdy Duty seethe Wooden Tops r D, Team America
World Police? How did duty?You? Guys? Here we go to
the last one. Guys, youguys gotta get this one. Jim Hanson
brought us The Muppets, but whichwas the first feature length movie that he
created? All right, right,Muppets, Christmas Carol A B. The

(35:29):
Muppet Movie, CE, Muppet Treasure, Island, r D. The Great
Muppet CAPERL. I go with B. The Muppet Movie. Muet sounds okay,
I'm gonna switch it up, dAl, you're the puppet Master.
Yeah, the Muppet Movie and thatwas the first one ever, and that
finishes our Muppet That would make sense, right, The Mumpid Movie. When

(35:49):
did it come out? Eighties?I think that's probably eighty age? Right?
Did I ever tell you guys thatI might have mentioned this on the
show before, But when I wasa kid, when The Muppet Treasure I
think came out, my mom wolinfree tickets from like I think Channel five,
and we went to the premiere.Wow, I've heard. Sorry,
that's amazing. So we actually gotto go. Yeah, it was like
in Studio City or something like that. It went to the premiere and we

(36:10):
got free food like popcorn and stufflike that. It's pretty awesome right now.
Have you guys ever been to thewhen I think it's on Second Street,
the Marionette Place, John something Marionette. But it's like, you know,
they have the puppet shows, theyhold birthday parties Barker Barker's Marionette.
Yeah, they closed it and theybrought it back, but you know,
like the whole birthday parties for kids. But I went there one time to

(36:31):
that. That's kind of cool.No, it looks cool. I've never
been there. I've always wanted togo, like because it's right up my
alley. Yeah, And it waslike in like Highland Park or some of
that for a while, and thenit moved to down the it was it
was in on Second Street and thenthey closed and they moved They brought it
back, yeah, yeah, ormoved around a couple of times. But
yeah, it looks really cool.I've never been there. Oh, you've
never been there. Now, I'mvery much alone in personal like my plight

(36:58):
with puppets, like it's a personalthing like put me in. You guys
watched Sesame Street when you're kids?Yeah, time, Oh yeah, and
it always freaked me out. Ohreally, I liked it, but it's
still kind of there's some elements ofkind of like Count Dracula, like he's
actually cool. It was a littlesomething's up for the grouge. I love
Obscar the Garage, like I've beentrying to get the Oscar gard like minifiged

(37:21):
Lego because it's so fucking adorable.Most recently, actually, I scored a
VHS tape of old Sesame Streets,like just recorded from TV, and there's
really some choice ones. There's likea band where they're all new Waved now
even their name is like new Wavessomething something playing like in the in the
streets. It's pretty cool, likeit's from the like een eighty four.
Wow, associated somebody recorded on TV. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Was

(37:44):
there any famous people in that oneor No? I know, I don't
think so. No, it's it'sjust the puppet sings sing I used to
like because everyone's while there would belike a famous personal one. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I liked aboutThe Muppet Show too, because I remember
when I was a kid, theywould show reruns. There's like the Peter
Sellers one or the Steve Martin oneor stuff like that. To Buddy rich
one is the Buddy rich One coolman throws a symbol at someone. Alright,

(38:05):
let's let's get back and much musicvideo for E So what do you
guys? Okay this music video itstarts off as a car crash, right,
and there's someone yeah, yeah,and there's someone there working on somebody
right at first, it's like alady, right woman. And you know
what's weird is whenever I see thisvideo, it always reminds me of the
of l A X. I don'tknow why. The background looks like l

(38:27):
a X, and I always thinkof like, oh, this is heading
towards l X. It looks like, you know, like when you're in
the turn and when you're in theroundabout of l a X, like driving
around unloading, unloading, And forsome reason it looks like that to me,
and I'm like, oh, that'skind of that's even more scary because
like cars don't stop there, soif you crashed, you'd be like cars
will still be going by, youknow, like it's crazy time for you

(38:49):
to Yeah, exactly. So I'vealways had like song about the West murderers,
but we do. We are kindof dropped off into the if him
he's inured. You see cut onhis head, right in his forehead,
and then the lady is being tendedto and she's kind of like in pain
Rightjority on the stretcher. To me, it's like you know, on the
on the surface seeing him sing rightto me, it's like he's in pretty
he's in pretty good shape. He'snot dying or anything. He's just standing

(39:14):
there. But did you get thefeeling that he was with the lady.
No, I thought he was inthe other He's independent of what's happening.
I think he's independent of that lady. He has no like. To me,
it's like he's totally disconnected from that. Yeah, he's injured. He's
injured because he's probably part of atwo car crash. Right, it's a
two car crush, so he mightbe in the other car. I always
took it that he's dying, andyou thought he was dying. He's dying.

(39:35):
To me, I thought he wasjust fine, just as a cut.
But they were tending to him too, tending to him. They were,
but I thought, I thought itwas a precaution thing so they could
give you a nine hundred dollars ambulanceride to the hospital, which they did,
right, which I'm but he eventuallydies. That's why I I think
that he's right like that he thatit might be like an out of body
experience happening. That's the thing thatwas like watching this videos, just like

(39:58):
you know, when I first watched, it's like, I didn't think he
was dying. I just thought,like, you know, they took him
to the hospital as a precaution,but like maybe his condition worsened. But
in the end when he's all dancingaround, I just thought he was just
dancing around. It wasn't like hewas dying or anything, because in the
end it doesn't really show him dying, but it could have been the spirit
floating up. No, well,in the end I think he's dead.
Is that the spirit? Yeah?Well, because they call it, they

(40:21):
all leave and they're like, theyall leave, so he's dead when they
leave. Then, Yeah, Ijust thought they just left because you know,
he's fine, it's all good,he's fine. Just lights go off
to turn curas them. No,I always it's broken down into three segments.
Of course, you got the introright where they're still out there,

(40:42):
and then the ambulance ride right,and then he and then actual hospital scene
when operating, yes, and thenyou know you get him actually, like
a lot of it is focused onhis face and his emotions, right,
like singing and Out's favorite was justthe teeth and the creepy you know this
thing like watching comparing him versus likemuppets. Right, the tongues are very

(41:02):
animated. This was like you seethe pores of a yeah, buds and
the mouth is controlled by a remotecontrol, so they're using it remote control
and that's controlling the tongue in themouth, which is crazy. So it's
all independently moving. So I thinkthat's another reason why it seems so like
kind of crazy because everything's moving differently. It's not all like you know,

(41:23):
when your face moves up, yourmouth will move up to and all the
different things. So everything is kindof moving differently. Yeah, Now is
this song sung in first person?Like it's sung under presumably Fred West's perspective
or I mean the lyrics seems that'swhat I'm saying, Pet, But I
don't think he's Fred West it's justthe narrator singing the song. Let's take

(41:45):
the Fred West thing completely out ofit, right, and he's singing it
to the person who's they're tending towhen they first get there, you know,
like let's say like she's passing awayor something like that, or he's
trying to have a connection with her. Yeah, the woman who's dying and
the one that was yeah, theother ambulance, So like maybe there's a
thing like that too, which Icould see. We don't see her again,
yeah, yeah, and it wasjust in pain, but I don't

(42:07):
think she was really severely injured wheresomething else was gonna happen way worse than
he did, right right, right, He's like they're putting oxygen on her
face. It's like, yeah,but maybe you know, we've all made
a car Accidentious. I always sawit as that he was worse than her.
He's dying. This is him justdying, and he's telling her goodbye.

(42:28):
I can see that too, becausehe's dying and you see it in
his eyes. Yeah, yeah,kind of he's kind of fading in and
out. Yeah, you see hiscolor kind of change. He starts sweating,
and then the ambulance when they takehim in the car, they're like
rushing, like they're like it's thisis like serious, but he's just like
watching them, you know, likewhat's going on. That's when I started
to feel sorry for him. Really, That's why when I was affected,

(42:50):
I thought like, oh, thisis this like an outer body experience,
so it's not really happening. It'sjust happening in his brain, you know.
Like there's a lot I think there'sa lot of ways to interpret it.
So but the ending, of course, or at least towards the end,
where the major scene of him kindof floating up right standing and doing
his dance, Yeah, I meanwhat else? How else could you interpret
it? Does he sit back downwhen the lights right before the lights go

(43:13):
off, or does it go offas he was still standing it goes off,
but he said, he kind ofsits down, and he does like
as if like the lights I'm sorrywhat they call them, manipulators handling them,
like as if they kind of stoppedthe whole as if they stop right
like they just kind of he justdrops. He's like, I can only
think that that's it. You're dead. That's how I always saw it,

(43:34):
Like lights out right yea good night, sweet prince. To me, it's
just like I didn't when I sawthis, Like I didn't interpret that he's
dead. I just thought him showsover, you know, lights are off,
okay, after all his puppet,right, the puppet shows lights.
I took it way too literal,you know, not as like symbolic as
you know, like him dying.Like I honestly thought that because there's so
much activity in his face that Idon't think he was dying. You know.

(43:58):
Granted you would catch him where he'slike his eyes would be tilted and
stuff like that, because his eyeswould kind of go out everyone while come
back to and so I guess,you know, put out. But to
me, it's like first impression,his face is very dynamic and there's a
lot of movements. So especially whenyou go dancing around like curs in there,
I'm like, is that a deathrattle or what's going on? He
was doing it right from the getgo though, right he was already doing

(44:20):
the little dancers just from the beginning. But I just thought this was like
a mechanism of having a puppet,you know, doing that, because that's
how puppets generally would move, especiallysomething that you know that primitive in a
way, not primitive like, butjust like normally a mayort moving well,
his like arms are longer and hislegs are longer. He's got that Kermit
the frog line. When you seeKermit riding a bike, you know,

(44:40):
like he looks crazy. Yeah tous, it's funny, but that's pretty
dark. No, But I thinkI think your interpretation is what like a
lot of people, yeah, Iare thinking, you know, especially when
you read the comments, I thinklike a lot of people saw this really
young, you know, so Ithink they might have taken it like that
way. You know, a lotof people were like afraid of it.

(45:02):
Most people were like, oh,when I was a kid, this was
the scariest thing I ever seen inmy life. And you know, yeah,
I can only imagine being on aneight year old and this is what
you see, you know, fuckingeating up three quarters of your TV screen
on your four x three CRT.You know what's interesting, it's not that
he's scary, but like you said, the Uncanny Valley of he's so realistic.
But that's not what realism looks like, you know. So it's like

(45:25):
your brain is trying to process thatinformation and it doesn't know which direction he
wants to go. It's like itmoves, it talks, it has the
you know, the emotions. He'scute but yeah, that's right, you
know, but he doesn't. Butthat's not what a human looks like,
at least what our brains know,right. And there's and there's humans in

(45:45):
it, yes exactly, which isalso well, obviously there's humans in this.
It's a human world. It's ahuman world that we all kind of
share. But he's that he's different, right, It's like a it's a
wonder shows in world. Yes,yeah, so like no, I I
think that all adds to it.And then also like the background I think
is a green screen, right,because they need to take the puppet theat

(46:06):
so that stuff is happening independently,So it almost looks like he's a ghost
because everything's happening and he's just standingthere like why wouldn't somebody move him?
And that's kind of why I getthe thing, like maybe he's just laying
there dying, but in his brainor his subconscious that's what he's doing,
you know, his last death rattle, you know, you know, like

(46:28):
you know, so what's the movietwenty one Grahams the movie with Benissi del
Toura Sean Penn twin Grahams signifies theway of the human soul. The weight
of the human soul is it leavesyou right when you die. So,
I mean, I was kind oftrying to, you know, see if
I could fit that puzzle, putthat together, where that's that last bit
of life. What's the Jacob scatteringthing? Yeah, right, it's it

(46:51):
all happens like ten seconds, butit was a lifetime, right, the
whole movie. Yet it was reallyjust that death thought. That's kind of
like it's really racing through last bitof adrenaline that hits your brain to help
you cope with dying, you know, like and and to him, it
was a lot of this explanation andmaybe getting out you know, so certain
emotions right and again, and it'sit's it's filtered through the facial expressions that

(47:15):
he's making. So all the hebecause he kind of goes through all these
different roller coaster of emotions, youcan see. Weird thing is like the
emotions that he's that the puppet isconveying are very like you understand them,
but then you also don't understand them. At all, Like you're like,
oh, I get what he's doing, but it's not natural because it's because
the way they love. Yeah,yeah, exactly so, and that's what

(47:36):
makes it more effective, right,yes, exactly. Eyes, Yeah,
the blue eyes. So like ifyou're if you just stared at the eyes,
then you know it's very human like, right, But then you get
the no nose, no nostrils,wide mouth, teeth, tongue with a
little buds, and then the movementsof course you know that. Yeah,
So it's like you feel the braindoesn't know how to. You also feel

(47:59):
a lot of passion for something that'sreal, So that's also freaking you out
because you're like, wow, Ifeel bad for the eye. It's it's
the eyes that gives me that empathyfor me. That's why babies have such
big eyes too, and so whenyou look at them, you don't want
to kill them because you feel compassionfor animals. Yeah exactly. The animals,

(48:20):
Yeah, they look more cute.So this, this puppet has bigger
eyes, so you do feel compassionfor it. And kind of like the
most recent joke would be, youknow, if you want to endear yourself,
you can do the little you know, like a lot of the movies,
they especially the c GI movies,they do the eyes and you feel
bad. Right, that's his move, right, it's the eyes the windows

(48:40):
to the soul. So yeah,that's I think this. It's it's all
up to your interpretation to it.And I think that's why I like it
too, because it's you could makeup fifty different stories about the video,
you know. I think it's becauseyou can't unsee it, you know what
I mean. You watch it oneit's like, hmmm, I remember now
that's that you know, you don'tyou don't really kind of it's Norman.

(49:04):
This eluded me. I've never seenit. I'll be honest, I've never
seen this included me until you knowthis was suggested for this podcast because I've
never seen this video. I've neverseen in my life. And then so
yeah, like after watching I've seenall their music videos, I'll just playing
live. Yeah. I know whenI said that, you guys both rolled
your eyes like Norman, and Iwas like, hey, this is a
good video. Kidding. Sounds likeI've never heard this song, but I've

(49:28):
heard the music. I've heard thesong before, but not that I've never
seen a music video that's like anormal thing. Anytime I come with the
video, I was like, I'venever seen that video. I mean,
Louis, if you haven't, diversiontastes in a way. But we still.
I'm just trying to bring in differentthings to appreciate everything. So it
was a hot beef injection exactly podcasting. I'll take any hot beef I can
get. Hy Okay, we'll beright back for some notable YouTube comment.

(49:57):
All right, it's time for somenotable YouTube comments. All right, here
we go. There was a millionYouTube comments for this, so I went
through them and pick the ones thatI thought stuck out the most. So
most of them about the video beingdisturbed as a little kid by the video.
Yeah, that is the number witha lot of them. So here
we go. This is from NickJensen fifty nine to seventy three. My

(50:19):
daughter used to sing this song tome. That was years ago, a
little over a year ago. Shetook her own life. It's hard to
listen to this song without hearing hervoice. I don't believe that, right,
A man, that's wild, right, Why would you put that comment
onto YouTube? You know, evenshare that? Right? I mean,
it's just coping mechanism. Man,you just don't know how people would would
handle. Also, you have toconsider when a person is typing this down,

(50:45):
what state of mine or the endMaybe they're they're drinking or on something
under the influence of some sort ofamen. I mean, you know,
I mean, I don't know howLike when you go talk to strangers and
clubs, sometimes the shit they wouldtell you, of course way tm I
but you know's well, happy holidays, Louis christ Mate's going on, man,

(51:06):
I thought, I mean, there'sI should be laughing. Actually mean
there's you know, suicide in thestory and that he comes up and I
was like, oh, this isso weird that you know, but that's
yeah, yeah, I mean it'sit's very strange. This is from Pablo
Coco. I love Interpol because theycontinue Joy Division's legacy, one of my

(51:27):
favorite bands. I'm just bringing thisup because it's all in the sound and
scene, like the performers in thisvideo. Absolutely indefinitely great and Ian curtis
inspiration in my opinion, so great. Really, That's what I was talking
about to a lot of people interpretthe puppet as being couraged, and it's
it's not. It's like a lotof people bring that up, which is

(51:47):
kind of he does look like Curs, even the button up, the slack
Inchester, look, the pale whitesky. Yeah. I just named the
puppet. Well they didn't. Theydidn't have a name for it. So
that's the Norman's what everybody gave itname, isn't it. I just want

(52:09):
to know how al felt about thatcomic. I mean that, yeah,
I mean it's it's interesting because that'swhat I'm saying. It's like on Canny
Valley. It feels familiar. Isympathize with this puppet. It's probably because,
yeah, in my subconscious associating withIan Curtis and his tragedy. So
interesting. Here we go. Thisis from Apple Birk. This from two
years ago. This song goofed withmy head, but in a good way.

(52:30):
When it came out, I wasabout thirteen or fourteen. I had
to watch it so many times toreally figure out why. The morose nature
just got to me. Why washe dying? He looked fine, right
right, Well, I'm a paramedicnow I see how well they altered his
appearance to make him look like hewas chemo dynamically compromised, so that he's

(52:51):
losing his blood. Right, theblush skin and the tired expressions. It's
a weird sense of closure. Buthere we are. That's pretty crazy,
right, So he got it.He was obsessed with this video when he's
a kid, and then he becamea nurse, and then he sees why
he was obsessed with. You know, after reading this thing, I started
watching the video, I'm like,oh yeah, he is progressively getting grayer

(53:12):
and grayer and sweating and right thereand then the eyes kind of like darting
and then slowing down and then comingback up again. So that's one of
the reasons. I think. Also, too white took white. He might
be dying. You know, interestingcomments this time? That was it.
That's it man, three comments.It's so apropole for Christmas season, of

(53:34):
course, right, Okay, it'spretty harsh. Evil. Would you keep
it? Would you throw it back? I will go first. I feel
I was affected. Uh, you'reaffected with the evil? Yes, I'm
infected and affected with the with theevil? No. Yeah, man,
puppets, especially a high performing onelike this. It's kind of high performance

(53:55):
puppet. This thing kind of getsunder your skin a little bit. You
know. The fun part is youget to on our own separate brains and
spaces. We say, all right, let's uh, we'll research, right,
and then you realize there's so manylayers to it. You got the
Fred and Rosemary West and that addedan extra kind of like umph and punch,
and then you yeah, it's like, oh shit, I didn't you

(54:20):
know the lyrics. I hear thelyrics. The lyrics I have to say,
even though you know, I feellike a lot of their music kind
of has that same impact. Rightwhen you I read the lyrics, it's
like, oh shit, Like yeah, okay, so I can kind of
see where he's coming from. Andthen you know, with the video and
it's like, wow, there's somany things at any angle you go,
you know, you go toward it, and it's kind of tugging at you,
and it's it's very effective. Imean, it's very It's definitely keep

(54:44):
because even though the video has thatthose three segments, it still kind of
makes you wonder what really happened.You know, like from the beginning you
kind of understand that the very basicof it, of them crashing, and
as you kind of read more intoit and the background, how dark and
sinister where it's coming from it's it'sorigins. You can only imagine, right,
right, if the song wasn't titledevil, like the subject matter could

(55:05):
have been a little more muckier.Like the only thing that you would associate
the you know, with the serialkillers is because of you know, the
first words, the first word alsothe title. But it does not match
what you see, even though whatyou see has a lot of impact on
your emotions that you're feeling as you'rewatching it, right, So, I
guess what I'm trying to say islike it's you get these mixed feelings and
you don't know where to place certainparts of it, Like how do you

(55:28):
kind of comparimentalize these commentary, Yeah, all these different things that's happening.
I don't know. So it's likeit leaves you kind of it stays with
you, I guess, right,right. You know you've seen Joderowski movies
and movies and it's like you're sothoroughly entertained, but in the end you're
left with a thousand questions. Yeah, like three quarters of the puzzle,

(55:49):
but it is still like messed upor you have to realign stuff. I'm
dissatisfied in a in a very goodway trying to say, So there is
my summation to the whole thing.Yeah, it's for me, like I
do align Rid Ryan with in manyways, we're like, yeah, there's
many questions and also like in answersso many things. But at the same
time too, it's like I wishI never saw his video. I'm with

(56:12):
ever ready whish I've never seen thisvideo. And I just just I just
have to deal with song because ofall the rabbit hole that it opened up
for me, and especially how badthe subject matters is, and also how
sad this video is too. Andalso you know, it's it's semi scary,
but I do I felt more compassionfor the puppet character, you know,
and me and my irrational love ofpuppets. It's hits harder than a

(56:37):
normal person would. So yeah,it's traumatizing for me, this one.
And like, in a way,I don't want to heave it. You
know, I don't want to seethis video again. I want to throw
it back. I appreciate the artthough, and the and the right I
was given, but I don't wantto see this video again, so I
have to throw it back. OhI can respect that. Yeah, Okay,

(57:00):
it got it got you so muchwhere you had to like it messed
up with many core weird like emotions. Man, Like, No, it's
like it's like watching a horror moviethat really took you for a ride,
and you don't want to watch itagain after Yeah, you know, like
you're saving Probably Ryan, I lovethat movie and I went through so many
emotions, but I don't want tosee that. You like talking about it,
but you don't want to go throughit again watch it. I don't

(57:21):
watch it again because I know what'sgoing to happen makes perfect sense. It's
the hereditary of it all. That'sanother movie. I want to watch it,
Like Midsommar, I held on watchingthat again Green Night. I kind
of want to watch again because Imissed some levels there. As for me,
I'm keeping this video. Of course. I really like this video and
it worked. It was the ringof videos for you guys, and now

(57:43):
it's stuck with you. You haveto live with it with my burden.
You will see it now in yourdreams. But no, it's there's so
much, like you said, there'sso much layers to this. It's insane,
and I don't I'm trying to thinkof other videos that we've done that
where there's toy layers or it's aboutdifferent things. But I'm sure we're going
to get to some some like that. This was like kids okay, yeah,

(58:06):
yeah, GMT kids that as well. Yeah that was a wild one
too, but no. Yeah,so I mean even the lure of him
disappearing and then being found, youknow, all of that even adds to
it too, you know totally,he's all you know what I'm saying,
like like he's all like all messedup and somebody had to like buy it
and then like reconstructed and like restoredhim for normal exactly right, right,

(58:30):
crazy, they resurrected him. Yeah, so he's like moving around, but
so like, yeah, I guesshe's on a YouTube channel. Well yeah,
and it did its job, right, This whole thing did its job.
So on that note, Who's next, I'm next and CRUs episode.

(58:50):
Hopefully we can get this recorded nextweek. It's overdue. We have to
fucking tackle that elephant in the room. I have to do Mariah carries all
One for Christmas. That just got. I saw that video actually very recently.
It just got. It's not it'sfor like for the first time.
It's not number one this year.That's as part as Christmas songs, Branda
Lee, that's the one you wantedto do. Yeah, that's a great

(59:13):
one, man. Yeah, Ithink I think thee Yeah that's the one.
That's the one that did it.Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
but no, you know, wealways talked about the memes of Mariah Carey
getting thought in like the beginning ofNovember to prep us from the for her
all I want for Christmas songs.So yeah, we already did the waymaged
in song. So it's in duetime. We gotta do ri Carrey's christ

(59:37):
And we all love Maria Carey backin the early nineties, right, so
we could we could we could tapinto that as well. So okay,
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No, no, from what Iread, it was the actual Fred

(01:00:21):
West. Okay, I'm sorry,I miss Okay, sure it was in
Carlos Danglar. Are you sure itwas in Jim Morrison who saw a car
crash and then who knows it,but car crashes, we've all been in
them, are fucking traumatic as shipthe worst and yeah, like it'll take
a hit out of your insurance,your pocket books, you're