June 9, 2021 • 38 mins
"Staged" - Series One
Television in 2020 was quite different, due to the pandemic. But there was one show that fully embraced the reality and ... made a comedy out of it. "Staged," starring the Tenth Doctor himself, David Tennant, and Michael Sheen, made the most of COVID restriction by embarking on six hilarious episodes in its first series. We talk about the characters/actors and how it worked.
In our look into the TARDIS library, we looked at a child of "Who", Sean Pertwee, and his appearance in the American show "Elementary."
Television in 2020 was quite different, due to the pandemic. But there was one show that fully embraced the reality and ... made a comedy out of it. "Staged," starring the Tenth Doctor himself, David Tennant, and Michael Sheen, made the most of COVID restriction by embarking on six hilarious episodes in its first series. We talk about the characters/actors and how it worked.
In our look into the TARDIS library, we looked at a child of "Who", Sean Pertwee, and his appearance in the American show "Elementary."
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Welcome to the Nerd Party. Welcometo Time and Space a Doctor Who Podcast.
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I'm Jessica Nunn and I'm her husbandand co host, Philip Gilphus,
and Jessica's wearing the merch I am. I'm wearing my Welcome to Time and
Space a Doctor Who Podcast shirts.That's right available only at red Bubble.
I don't if it's still available,but yes, the Nerd Party does have
a Red Bubble store. It's stillup. But anyway, um, today
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we're gonna be talking I don't know, it might be a short talk,
but we're gonna be talking about someDoctor Who adjacent things. I was thinking
exactly the same thing. Quit finishingmy sandwiches. So, of course,
no new Doctor Who. We don'tknow when there's going to be new any
new Doctor Who, but hopefully sometimethis year, probably the fall, we
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hope. So but until then,we're going to find the other ways to
entertain you, exactly, and that'sto talk about another series starring an actor
who played the doctor David Tennant.Of course it's done many many things,
but perhaps a little breakout piece thathe did during the quarantine was staged.
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Yes, now we're just gonna betalking about series one because that's all we've
seen. We look forward to watchingseries two here in America. It's on
Hulu, which we've recently gotten accessto. Yes, yes, yes we
have, yes, but of coursestage starring I don't know what in order
to put it in what's the billing, Let's start with Georgia Tennant exactly,
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but of course David Tennant with MichaelSheen or Michael Sheen starring David Tennant.
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'veheard both also starring their respective wives,
Georgia Tenant and Lundberg, and alsostarring Simon Evans and Lucy Eaton real life
brother and sister, who also portrayedbrother and sister. And for those who
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haven't seen it, we're gonna talkall about and spoil everything, but you
should watch it if you haven't.And I think the premise is interesting.
For one, and I just learnedthis just doing the research like an hour
ago. Simon, who plays thedirector of the play literally directed and wrote
staged. Oh I think I knewthat. Yeah, and so I Just
the meta stuff that goes on throughoutall this I think is very funny.
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Yes, well, I think thewhole thing of playing ourselves. Ish,
um, they're all doing m SimonEvans and Lucy Eaton play brother and sister.
They are brother and sister, andyeah, whether whether that was I
mean, because the entire show wasbuilt around this quarantine, you get this,
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these are the people that we canquarantine with, and so they're the
ones that are going to be inthe show. And of course, I
guess I don't know if they havea previous relationship, but of course David
and Michael very obviously got to knoweach other well and good omens. Yes,
and so that was sort of fastvery I don't know people who've seen
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it. I've seen it and weenjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah,
absolutely, But they definitely got ai don't know, for lack of
a better word, and it isprobably making a stupid way to call it,
but they're bromance less seemed very youknow, obvious or at least I
think the fans have reacted to thischaracters. Oh yeah, there's a lot
of I think I haven't looked atany of it, but I know it's
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there. Sure, So add inBenedict Cumberbatch at the end. There you
go. You know, these thingshappen. So the premise for those who
don't know, is that, asJessica was saying that David and Michael are
well, David is approached to getready for a play and rehearse the play
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while there's quarantine going on. Justdo it over zoom. I don't actually
they say the word zoom, butanyway, whatever they use, and and
that's sort of the premise. We'rejust going to rehearse the show in that
way. When the theaters open up, boom, we're ready. We'll be
the first out of the gate.And of course Michael Sheen is brought in
as his second, though not necessarilythe first second. And do you know
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that the actual father they're doing vaguelysix characters in search of an Author author
by Luigi Pierandello. I am vaguelyfamiliar with it. Yes, And tell
me your vagueness that it does whatit says on the tes two actors.
No, there, I think thatthere are ultimately six actors okay, um,
And they're strangely enough searching for anauthor. Okay, six characters rather,
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but I mean it was that thetwo people would play them all.
Would you have six? No?I think you have six actors. Okay,
I guess well. I think thatthe idea is that they are rehearsing
bits of it. Okay, Um, I think I never actually get too
Yeah, they read it once,I think maybe. Yeah. I think
the irony, of course is theyou know, the title rather than the
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gist of the play. Otherwise yougo with goodo, don't you? Okay?
Yeah? How many? How manysolid two handers are there? I
mean there's waiting for good eye.I mean there are loads, obviously,
but that's always a good stand bythat everybody recognizes, you know, well,
because I think the part of thein the show, Simon is approached
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about why. I don't know ifit was a sister, if you who
he's talking to, it's not oneof the you know, the David or
Michael otherwise, but like he's like, that was the only play i'd heard
of. That's why I chose,Like, what are you trying to say
of this piece? That's the onlyone I knew? You know, bless
Yeah, so, um, Idon't know how to attack this really,
but so however you want to doit, well, I don't know.
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Let's let's go with the tenants.What do you think of David and Georgia,
and they're slightly invisible children. They'reslightly invisible children. Yeah, I
think it's fun. Again. Ilove the idea of playing yourself adjacent,
right, It's such an interesting premise. And then to also bring in the
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partners doubles that and so it's justsuch a fun concept that I just really
love. And yeah, I thinkthey do a great job with it.
I mean, as far as they'rewriting, it does make me wonder how
they do the characterization, because Imean, Georgia is terriffic, but she's
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not Trophy. But I suppose Trophy, the long suffering wife is her Yes,
character mode for this, yes,this portion, whether whether it's real
or not exactly you know, let'sbe honest. You know, they've both
been stuck in a house for areally long time homeschooling and are attempting to
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yes, all of the children,all the many children. Yes, um,
And so yeah, what do youthink of the character David Tennant?
I as he's slightly neurotic. Yes, yeah, you did get that sort
of skinny energy, the neuroses,and forget the things he's been doing of
reading out loud or sorting things orI don't know whatever. I forget what
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it is that he's done. Thatis George's annoyed that but that he does
to quiet himself. He's screaming inthe backyard. Oh yeah, yeah,
that was funny. Yeah, hetalked about doing something in a head.
Oh yeah, counter, some sortof counter yeah or something. I can't
remember, but yeah, a lotof fun. Yeah, a lot of
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fun. Well what do you think, because I trying to think of how
much Michael Sheen I've seen. Iremember him. Of course we watched Frost
Nixon. Yes, at least themovie which he was poor. Yeah,
was it The Queen? I'm tryingto the one where he played Tony Blair.
I don't know if you saw thatmovie. It's the one dealing with
the when when Princess Diana died andhe's sort of having to coax the Queen
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to the public, which you knowwhen I first watched it. And again,
because you know, I don't payattention to necessarily what happened in the
UK age, especially during that time, um, because I was quite young,
Um, not that young, butyounger. Um was that It's actually
the way in this may have beenin real life. I mean Blair is
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very pro monarchy. I mean theway Michael Sheen plays the character of the
way it's written, and so it'snot like you know the oh, I
mean the sort of the paintbrush isthat. Oh, you know, the
queen retreated during Diana's death and didn'tsay anything in the public turned against her
and then eventually she came back andall was forgiven. Um, but you
know Blair sort of kind of handholding as Michael she plays her the Queen.
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I'm blanking on who played her,but it's obviously one of the ones
you would think that played. Yeah, I was just um, I was,
I was thinking Helen Mirren. Idon't quote me, but yes,
I think so anyway, that's so, and I know that's his his uma
is playing historical or real life charactersfor the most part. I mean,
I don't know his whole I sawhim on most recently other than Good Omens
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in um, the Good Fight,okay, so yeah, the spin off
from the Good Wife, So alittle bit of soap opera there, and
he was, yeah, a veryhedonistic lawyer and got some British actors in
that because the oh yeah, yeah, whose name completely goes on David Tennant
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does a podcast. Yeah, butanyway, okay, well okay, well
what do you think of Michael andAnna? Yeah? I really like it.
Um and it lends itself you knowMichael has quarantine hair, yes,
and sort of lends itself to thesort of manic energy that going on.
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Yeah, a little bit. UmSo, Yeah, that's a lot of
fun. And the two of them, even when they're not in the same
room because of course they never arein this, are just so much fun.
Because I think the stereotype when buildingthis would be like, oh,
their f enemies are they But they'renot. I mean, and I think
going into that that's what I thought. They would just be like sniping at
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each other and will they do.It's more of a friendship. I mean,
that's the foundation, and so they'resort of suffering together, you know,
they're not necessarily against each other,you know, and there is this
sniping that happens, it's not alwaysat each other, it's at each other
adjacent. Yeah, well the apparentlythe word we're going to use all the
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time until conflicts happened. But likethe sniping they do is very improv like
the sniping is yes, standing likeit's but they play along with each other,
and so like you know, whatif well what about this, and
well I do this, and wellyou also do that, you know,
and they just sort of trade theback and forth. Whether they don't necessarily
being mean at each other, they'replaying with each other. I guess,
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yeah, m it's a lot offun. And then what do you think
of judge Michael's wife? She doesvery good well partner. Oh, I
don't know, I don't think that. I mean, they might be shield
anyway, but anyway, all right, don't don't be judged. They had
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a child, new child, andthis one yep, I have a young
child. Um, yeah, Imean a thing. She's not on there
quite as much right of the four, but she gets a little bit of
a heavier role in terms of likethe neighbors like that. Yeah, um.
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And so that's and that's one ofthe things that I think is delightful
about this UM is that you dohave this improv feel of just hanging out
on the computers, but there arealso storylines happening UM that feel like they
came from the improv. Because MichaelSheen is putting his wine bottles in the
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neighbors recycling recycling because he doesn't wantthe recycling people to think he's a lush
um and gets caught, and hegets caught, yes, and then and
so he's sniping about his neighbor andall of that feels like improv and then
the storyline of you know, peoplehaven't been able to get in touch with
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the neighbor, and then the ambulanceis there, and and so it then
goes into kind of a side storythat I think is just really lovely.
Yeah, it does make me wonder, right, I would think, and
I don't know, I would thinkit's probably more written than we think it
is, because that's the side probablya good acting that it looks improvised.
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But oh yeah, no, absolutelyabsolutely, you know, speaking of two
handers, this is not at alldissimilar to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. I've seen
only the movie, and I onlyvaguely recall it. I remember not looking
it at the time. But well, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
no, you got to go back. It's Tom Stoppard. You always
want to see Tom Stoppard. Butthe idea of being you know, Rosencrantz
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and Guildenstern are these two characters whohave this whole play whilst Hamlet's going on
in the background, you know,And so that's sometimes a little bit what
this feels like. You know,You've got these two guys sitting in a
room or two rooms talking on thecomputer while the world goes around and the
neighbor falls ill and things like that, that all of that stuff is happening
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in the background, and then bringingit a little bit to Simon and Lucy.
I think an interesting part and Idon't know whether I mean, I
like it, but some people mightnot, is that you have the Lucy
storyline such as it is that apparently, I guess she has a boyfriend in
Italy. I can't remember which countrygiants, Yeah, it's one of those
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two. And it's sort of impliedthat they had some falling out of that.
She left because Simon thought the housewas empty because she was with her
boyfriend, and where because Simon isstaying at her house in the country.
He's left London to stay in herhouse because he thought it would be empty,
and also I think it might bebroken anyway. And so but she
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comes and said about the whole relationship, we don't actually get any d details.
I mean it's sort of just thrownevery now and then, like,
oh, are you going back whereshe's on the phone with him or you
know, and so there's not reallyany and not in a bad way.
There's not really depth to that sortI mean, like we don't get the
details, but I think that's verybackground. It's just enough to just you
just throw a little bit out there, just to yeah, and again feeling
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like there's so much action around themthat we haven't seen or that we don't
get to see, and that's partof the story that you know, that
lack of information on our parts ispart of what they want to be.
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And what do you think of theSimon the director the Long Suffering Directors performing?
Yeah, no, I love it. I think it's very funny.
He's very funny with them. Ithink he certainly holds his own but is
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also very prepared to step back andlet them shine. Um. And he
plays the single strike man to theirto wackiness. Yeah. Um, there's
a part there where he was justreading the whole play with them. Yea
yea yeah, a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, what do you
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think of sort of I mean this, uh, you know, as we
go back to normal as they say, quote unquote, UM, because I
think a challenge. I mean,this is obvious, and I'm stating the
obvious was that, you know,when there was the quarantine, Um,
hopefully that's the only one there is, Um, the challenge of doing theater
or drama or television in that's case. Um, but you know, very
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similar, I suppose, um,you know, going to the Zoom drama
and whether that's real or you know, temporary, or how it works or
doesn't work. I mean because Iuh, we didn't. We didn't see
any Zoom productions, because nothing.We saw a comedy show we did,
that's true, that's true, you'reright, But we didn't actually see like,
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you know, a zoom player orsomething. Yeah, we're out there,
but just nothing. Yeah. Imean, to be perfectly honest,
in this quarantine, I haven't wantedto see for me, I haven't wanted
to see stuff that reminds me ofwhat I'm sitting in the middle of.
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Um. Oh, we did watchRata Tui. Well, that's true,
you're right, and that was thatwas a unique to do, yeah,
right, or to the musical let'ssee to Yeah, an actual movie musical.
That all of that said, thefact that I didn't want to watch
zoom plays because I didn't want tobe stuck in that. Um. I
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think that something like this, likethe Rattatui musical, the quarantine has given
us the opportunity to try new things, whether or not they stay or you
know, or go once this isdone. There's been a lot of experimentation
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and that's a lot of fun.You know, the whole that circulated at
the beginning and I think was finallysquashed to death, kicking and screaming thing
of you know, well, Shakespearewrote King Lear during the plague quarantines and
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you know, I think enough creativesgave that two fingers right away, but
that there is a certain creativity thatis born and it doesn't have to be
born, and it's not born byeverybody, and that's okay too, but
what interesting things can you do withit? And they've come up with something
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really interesting. You know, TaylorSwift wrote three albums while right you sir
or no Taylor, Yeah, Andyou know, interesting things came out of
that as well. You know,she paired it right down and and maybe
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got to do some things that she'swanted to do for a while and didn't
have the opportunity. You know,everybody is handling this in their own way,
and if interesting things come out ofit, like staged like Taylor Swift
albums. If if that's what you'reinto as opposed to staged or in conjunction
with um, then it's it's funto see that happening. And I liked
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how they I mean, obviously youwould want to do it, you go
crazy, but they do these sortof two boxes, you know, with
with David and Michael usually but notalways. Um, but then they go
to sort of the scene so you'relike, you know, they're in the
tenant garden, you know, withDavid and Georgia or something like that,
and something sort of you're not alwaysstuck in the box boxes. Yeah,
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that's true. There are bits ofplaces where it does come out, yeah,
usually um. And I'd be interestedto know how they did that,
um, like if they set upcameras and I mean surely they don't have
a cameraman, right, But thenof course, you know, watching the
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bow Burnum comedy special, presumably hedid all his camera work as well,
and so it's clearly doable. Yeah, um, and you can do interesting
things with it and what fun andthat's not necessarily going to become the norm,
but isn't an interesting way to dothings anyway? Now, we had
some guest stars a special way tosay it, but anyway, um,
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some guest stars, a couple ofminor characters exactly. And we had a
friend who warned all you know thatthat this first character was going to calm
lead it. Not by name,but um, he's like, you know,
you'll want to see who the firstchoice was. Not, of course
it was Samuel L. Jackson.So we get our one American represent resent,
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yes, yes, um, whowas such a ridiculous choice to play
a character that then Michael Shane allegedlyis coming into play. They're just such
very different actors. Um. Andone thing I don't I don't know if
this is purpose al though probably.I mean, also, who can you
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get us? Suppose? Who doyou know? Who's I'm the rolodecks that
will answer, but I don't knowwho who among those knows? Samuel Hilton,
Yes, we did play a littlebit of six degrees of separation trying
to figure out how people were real, they said during it. But I
can't, um, But anyway,it's I think he introduces It's it's kind
of like when we talk about theWest Wings sometimes in the sorcin Esque language
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that sometimes Hill or John Wills.We'll bring in a character who doesn't necessarily
speak that language, that kind ofum, but can still play in it.
And I think Samuel Jackson kind ofdisrupts the language, whether it's just
British, but even just they're allkind of talking the same way, you
know, on the same page,but then you have this disruptive, loud
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cussing American and yelling, and youknow that sort of disrupts the players.
And so I think that adds thatspecial spice to it. Yeah, yeah,
he's a lot of fun um.But yeah, still can't figure out
Oh yeah, who knows. Ifeel like they may have said it during
it, because maybe he said Iworked with blah blah and I couldn't catch
it, so but i'd forget.Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back
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and watch it. And why hasn'the been on the podcast? That's right,
it's a good question. Maybe it'scoming. Maybe it's coming. We
get Adrian Lester stage, I reallywere we are subscribed to National Theater at
home. I think it's what it'scalled you live, whatever it's called.
I want to see as a fellow, Yes, very much. So.
Yeah, he's quite a establishing himselfpretty solidly right now in the British stage
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and screen. So yeah, hewas an interesting character to come into it.
Yeah, that he was brought into help Michael and David concentrate on
me play at hand. Yes,and then yeah, which was a weird
because that was one that felt morecharacter rather than actor. Um, but
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I don't know enough about Adrian Lester. I don't think he's done. I
don't know if he's done American stuff. Has he done? I recognize him,
but I can'tell him even from doctorWho for all I know, but
I can't remember what I know.Yea, So maybe he has, but
definitely more known on the British stage. So maybe British people can tell us
why Adrian Lester is the the hippiedippie Pachuli boy. Yeah, the dream.
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Yeah, it's fantastic though, It'swonderful, And then of course we
get the on the finale of seriesone, we get one more guest star.
When Michael and David are no longerwanting to do it and fighting and
fighting the director and themselves. Webring in, bring in the big lady.
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We bring in Dame Judy Dinch,Yes, who tells them all to
get their ship together. They saidyes to it. Suck it up,
do the part. Yeah yeah,And of course you know she almost rivals
Samuel L. Jackson for the casualvitral that she is just dishing out.
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Suck it up, John, She'sdelightful. Yes, yes, pull the
Judy card. Yeah cool. Allright, well we will I'm sure watch
series two. Any final thoughts orthoughts. I mean, it's a very
award winning Um, you know,I staged you know, something that definitely
caught the British television public. Yep. And they did a little bit for
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Red Noosed Days, one of thecharity days. Yeah. Um, so
that was very cool where they werewearing Shakespeare costumes or something. Yes.
Yeah, because we watched that beforewe watched stage. So now I'd almost
like to go back, and wehad access to YouTube more than we had
at that time. Yes, yes, but yeah, I can't wait.
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Very excited. I assume that nowthat we've recorded, we can go watch
season two right exactly, Okay,now it's locked in, Okay, excellent
well with that, let's go intothe tartest library. I go to the
library, go to the library.Now, now we'll go even more adjacent
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adjacent yep um with doctor who Um. With our tartest library segment, we're
not maybe be talking about son whowas even in Doctor who Ever it's right,
but he was at the Doctor whosaid a few times in the seventies,
and that's going to be Sean Perchweeyes, son, of course,
I have the third doctor himself,John perchwey I think we talked about Sean
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once before here Yeah with Gotham wasoh, yes, of course, yep,
you're absolutely right. I'd forgot aboutthat. But we're revisiting mister perchwey
Um with another role that he played. He played it more than once,
but we just saw one depiction ofit, and maybe we'll watch some more
if you feel in the mood.And that is from the American show Ish
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Elementary, airing on CBS here inAmerica. But we're gonna be talking about
the episode Step nine, which premieredtwenty sixth September twenty thirteen, and I
believe it was the series too opener. And when this is the one where
it's very briefly, whant to readthe one sentence synopsis? Yes please.
Holmes and Watson travel to London tohelp track down an old mentor and investigate
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an unsolved mystery. I've never seenElementary. This is my first time watching
it. Wasn't I have watched bitsand pieces. I haven't watched it was
never something I watched in series,but I've seen some episodes. So for
folks who haven't seen it, youknow, the Elementary, if you may
tell by the title, is basicallythe American Sherlock Holmes Modern Day although well
(27:44):
so Sherlock, yes, but it'sit is set in America, but Sherlock
Holmes is not American. Correct,No, you know he's not America.
No, I know that's are youthrowing me off there? Yes? Yes,
Um, so it's not an AmericanSherlock Holmes. It's an American show.
Yes, it is an American show. Sherlock Holmes is not America,
(28:07):
right right. Um, And soyou know we've seen Sherlock, you know,
the BBC version of course, soi'd always assume, you know,
that was sort of the whatever,and then like CBS is going to be
a procedural that's all they do overthere. Um, but I haven't seen
the Robert Downey junior Sherlock Holmes.I saw the first one. That's nothing
that I would write. Yeah,I didn't get that impression. But uh
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and John c Riley, is thatright, that's awesome? Yeah, No,
that's that's um no, that's adifferent one. Oh, there's you're
thinking of Will Ferrell. Oh okay, so who's what Jude Law? Oh
that's sad. Yeah, so thatwas very also had a lot of fan
fit involved by the way they playedit apparently. Oh yeah, I could
say that. But anyway, Um, and so Sean Pertwee, if you
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know anything about Sherlock Holmes plays oneof the more prevalent characters in the litterature.
Sure m Lestrade. I don't knowif his name is Gareth and actually
the book, but NA like GarethLestrade as who he plays sort of one
of the Scotland Yard detectives head detectivesthat Sherlock Holmes often has to work with.
And so in this version Elementary Holmesis I guess dealt with him and
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when he lived in the UK theywere very close, yes, where together
a lot Sherlock solved the cases andLestrade got the credits. Yes, and
that was apparently something that well,I suppose I both enjoy Um, you
know, Holmes always investing. Butthis is a step nine, I guess
refers to the state steps of recoverybecause in this version of of Sherlock Holmes
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and again this is my first timewatching the series. You may know better
than me, but the series begins, I guess with Holmes in recovery and
Watson is nerves is actually not reallysort of a then I think, again
I haven't watched a whole lot ofit, but I think sort of specialist
slash spots are kind of thing.So Lucy Lou, if we haven't said,
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portrays Watson and Johnny Lee Miller playsHolmes, and so yeah, but
you know, concentrating on Sean Pertwee. He very interesting role because in this
sort of version here, he's gonedown, as it were, because he
couldn't prove a case that he thoughtwas there. You know, he thought
he knew the killer and ended upa little um am I banking this up
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like drunk and you know, losinghimself a little bit. And yeah,
because he shows up at that funeralshooting guns yes, with a gun and
yeah, it's yeah, it allgoes a little sidewise, but yeah,
I thought it was interesting because forsome reason, I don't know where I
get it from. It maybe it'sGotham, but I always picture because Sean
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he plays it up a little bitsometimes, but he has this sort of
where I don't know where he's fromU, but he can sort of play
this the rough voice. He couldget gravel which I don't notice something is
how he actually talked, but hecan kind of play it up from that
sort of bruiser and yeah, Ican take care of myself well. And
also he did that in the wholecrap what was the Law and Order?
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Well, like I said, he'sa little softer in that too, because
I thought a little softer but stillkind of the the sideways guy, right,
and so and this one, youknow, he's playing in the Scotland
Yard detective. You don't have twoways about it. But it was just
interesting to see that he's I meanvulnerable if that's the right word. Um,
but character m yeah, like hedoesn't look like you could take care
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of himself probably yes, yeah,um, but again I mean that's a
skill that his dad had as wellof this, this chameleon being able to
slip into characters, a variety ofcharacters. Yeah, yeah, So,
I mean I think it's interesting becauseI'm sure there's he's played many parts.
I just don't know enough that he'splayed. But I mean, you know,
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he's certainly maybe it's sort of like, I don't know, jobbing actor
for lack of a better word.You know, like in America you'd be
like the law in order to gueststar, and you'd be the guest star
in Elementary be the guests, youknow. And so yeah, and I
think and I think we've talked aboutthis before that jobbing actor um is more
of a thing in Britain. Idon't know if he what his theater chops,
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if any are. Yeah, Imean I assume he has them.
Again, British actors tend to havemore theater chops, not always UM,
but tend to have the theater chopsto go along with it. Know him
more from television, especially in Americantelevision, but not necessarily all. Yeah,
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I mean, because like, forinstance, this was filmed obviously in
the UK, So I don't knowif you know that's the count as the
UK casting yeah, I don't know. I don't know versus you know,
being flown out to work on Gothamfor I don't know how many seasons he
worked two or three year, Iforget how long that series went. But
anyway, Yeah, so yeah,I would like to watch a little more.
Yea. I find Johnny Lee Millervery watchable, and I'm not one
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hundred percent sure why. Like,I can't necessarily deconstruct what else have you
other than Frankenstein that we saw?What else have you seen him in?
Um? I don't know that I'veseen him in anything, but i'd like
I said, you know, I'veseen him in a few episodes of this,
and it's never been something that It'snever been enough to make me go
ooh, I want to keep watchingthis and binge it or anything like that.
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But I do find him very watchable. How did you I didn't look
at what those names right there?Um? We also get the series introduces
for this elementary um Mycroft homes.Yes, I'm played by a Welsh name.
Wrong, I think it's Rhese Evansokay, sure or something akin to
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that, So I apologize in itlance did you say you had recognized him?
Yes? He was in notting Hill. Okay, um plays the crazy
um roommate of uh hu Hughe grants, all right, yes, it was
not I mean I know he wasa nodding yeah. I mean like is
running around in his underpants and youknow, and Julia Roberts is there and
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there's him and his underpants. Youknow that sort of thing. Um,
what else you got on your list? I mean stuff that I would I
would know, but I just don'tremember him. Like apparently he was in
one of the Harry Potter films.Um, I'm going on really fast here,
sorry, Um, he was inthe Amazing Spider Man. I never
saw those Spider Man's so no,I'm going really faster on the bottom there.
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Um. And nothing is definitely throwingout here, if we won't just
to stand here looking here. Butanyway, they're replacements that there. It
is notting Hill just played Spike,yes, okay, and then I don't
know if it's there. He wasin Dan thing at Lunasa. I was
in dance and we were not init yet. So but that was sort
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of an interesting you know, orgave something for Lucy to do, of
course, to deal with with thatcharacter and a nice interesting introduction. Yeah,
and it seemed very close to thebooks, because I means Sherlock is
closest to the books, and Elementarythat was doing the same thing, just
obviously with a different flavor. Um, I mean more of a American forty
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five I'm trying to have forty fiveminute versus yourlock, which can goes however
long they want to go every episode. Yeah, you know, to be
fair, Arthur Conan Doyle was writinga serial. Yeah, like a procedural.
Yes, that's what I was saying, you know, a crime procedural.
Uh so Elementary in that sense followsthat quite well. Um, that's
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we we too often look at whatwe consider classical literature like Arthur Kennon Doyle,
Charles Dickens, and forget that CharlesDickens was writing for the newspaper when
he wrote a Christmas Carol. Youknow, Shakespeare was essentially writing soap operas
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that he had to pound out oncea week or something like that. You
know, it's great literature, butthat does not detract from at the time
how it was. Yes, yeah, it's contemporary presentation. Yes, so
yeah, that's all I have todo that I will step down off my
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soapbox. Now, oh good,all right, well that's all we wanted
to cover there. Short stuff.We're trying to recapture with Doctor Who we
were. I don't even know howfar we are, I will say,
mindyway through our second series of TheFourth Doctor. So we'll be talking more
about that once we finish. Andif anybody has any suggestions of Doctor Who
(36:59):
adjacent stuff we must must watch,let us know because we're always looking.
That's true. What did we seea Matt Smith in a trailer for something
something? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's that's We didn't even talk about
the zombie maybe he was in Didwe talk about this? I think we
did? We did? Him andhis ex girlfriend? Yes? Alright,
(37:22):
anyway Lily, yes, yeah,James, Yes, wasn't wasn't that?
But were you? Yeah? Imean she had a date with Chris Evans
maybe that you were telling me about. Um, But then I've just recently
seen her linked with somebody else andit's not the Dominic West's scandal, but
(37:45):
who I can't remember who? Usall okay, linked with her, but
never mind. That's sorry. That'sas a Jason as you can get.
This. This is all the gossipI got today guys, Sorry, well
until next time. Continued to enjoythe Doctor's many adventures throughout time and stays
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Welcome to the Nerd Party. Welcometo Time and Space a Doctor Who Podcast.
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and Jessica's wearing the merch I am. I'm wearing my Welcome to Time and
Space a Doctor Who Podcast shirts.That's right available only at red Bubble.
I don't if it's still available,but yes, the Nerd Party does have
a Red Bubble store. It's stillup. But anyway, um, today
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we're gonna be talking I don't know, it might be a short talk,
but we're gonna be talking about someDoctor Who adjacent things. I was thinking
exactly the same thing. Quit finishingmy sandwiches. So, of course,
no new Doctor Who. We don'tknow when there's going to be new any
new Doctor Who, but hopefully sometimethis year, probably the fall, we
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hope. So but until then,we're going to find the other ways to
entertain you, exactly, and that'sto talk about another series starring an actor
who played the doctor David Tennant.Of course it's done many many things,
but perhaps a little breakout piece thathe did during the quarantine was staged.
(01:38):
Yes, now we're just gonna betalking about series one because that's all we've
seen. We look forward to watchingseries two here in America. It's on
Hulu, which we've recently gotten accessto. Yes, yes, yes we
have, yes, but of coursestage starring I don't know what in order
to put it in what's the billing, Let's start with Georgia Tennant exactly,
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but of course David Tennant with MichaelSheen or Michael Sheen starring David Tennant.
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'veheard both also starring their respective wives,
Georgia Tenant and Lundberg, and alsostarring Simon Evans and Lucy Eaton real life
brother and sister, who also portrayedbrother and sister. And for those who
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haven't seen it, we're gonna talkall about and spoil everything, but you
should watch it if you haven't.And I think the premise is interesting.
For one, and I just learnedthis just doing the research like an hour
ago. Simon, who plays thedirector of the play literally directed and wrote
staged. Oh I think I knewthat. Yeah, and so I Just
the meta stuff that goes on throughoutall this I think is very funny.
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Yes, well, I think thewhole thing of playing ourselves. Ish,
um, they're all doing m SimonEvans and Lucy Eaton play brother and sister.
They are brother and sister, andyeah, whether whether that was I
mean, because the entire show wasbuilt around this quarantine, you get this,
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these are the people that we canquarantine with, and so they're the
ones that are going to be inthe show. And of course, I
guess I don't know if they havea previous relationship, but of course David
and Michael very obviously got to knoweach other well and good omens. Yes,
and so that was sort of fastvery I don't know people who've seen
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it. I've seen it and weenjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah,
absolutely, But they definitely got ai don't know, for lack of
a better word, and it isprobably making a stupid way to call it,
but they're bromance less seemed very youknow, obvious or at least I
think the fans have reacted to thischaracters. Oh yeah, there's a lot
of I think I haven't looked atany of it, but I know it's
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there. Sure, So add inBenedict Cumberbatch at the end. There you
go. You know, these thingshappen. So the premise for those who
don't know, is that, asJessica was saying that David and Michael are
well, David is approached to getready for a play and rehearse the play
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while there's quarantine going on. Justdo it over zoom. I don't actually
they say the word zoom, butanyway, whatever they use, and and
that's sort of the premise. We'rejust going to rehearse the show in that
way. When the theaters open up, boom, we're ready. We'll be
the first out of the gate.And of course Michael Sheen is brought in
as his second, though not necessarilythe first second. And do you know
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that the actual father they're doing vaguelysix characters in search of an Author author
by Luigi Pierandello. I am vaguelyfamiliar with it. Yes, And tell
me your vagueness that it does whatit says on the tes two actors.
No, there, I think thatthere are ultimately six actors okay, um,
And they're strangely enough searching for anauthor. Okay, six characters rather,
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but I mean it was that thetwo people would play them all.
Would you have six? No?I think you have six actors. Okay,
I guess well. I think thatthe idea is that they are rehearsing
bits of it. Okay, Um, I think I never actually get too
Yeah, they read it once,I think maybe. Yeah. I think
the irony, of course is theyou know, the title rather than the
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gist of the play. Otherwise yougo with goodo, don't you? Okay?
Yeah? How many? How manysolid two handers are there? I
mean there's waiting for good eye.I mean there are loads, obviously,
but that's always a good stand bythat everybody recognizes, you know, well,
because I think the part of thein the show, Simon is approached
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about why. I don't know ifit was a sister, if you who
he's talking to, it's not oneof the you know, the David or
Michael otherwise, but like he's like, that was the only play i'd heard
of. That's why I chose,Like, what are you trying to say
of this piece? That's the onlyone I knew? You know, bless
Yeah, so, um, Idon't know how to attack this really,
but so however you want to doit, well, I don't know.
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Let's let's go with the tenants.What do you think of David and Georgia,
and they're slightly invisible children. They'reslightly invisible children. Yeah, I
think it's fun. Again. Ilove the idea of playing yourself adjacent,
right, It's such an interesting premise. And then to also bring in the
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partners doubles that and so it's justsuch a fun concept that I just really
love. And yeah, I thinkthey do a great job with it.
I mean, as far as they'rewriting, it does make me wonder how
they do the characterization, because Imean, Georgia is terriffic, but she's
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not Trophy. But I suppose Trophy, the long suffering wife is her Yes,
character mode for this, yes,this portion, whether whether it's real
or not exactly you know, let'sbe honest. You know, they've both
been stuck in a house for areally long time homeschooling and are attempting to
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yes, all of the children,all the many children. Yes, um,
And so yeah, what do youthink of the character David Tennant?
I as he's slightly neurotic. Yes, yeah, you did get that sort
of skinny energy, the neuroses,and forget the things he's been doing of
reading out loud or sorting things orI don't know whatever. I forget what
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it is that he's done. Thatis George's annoyed that but that he does
to quiet himself. He's screaming inthe backyard. Oh yeah, yeah,
that was funny. Yeah, hetalked about doing something in a head.
Oh yeah, counter, some sortof counter yeah or something. I can't
remember, but yeah, a lotof fun. Yeah, a lot of
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fun. Well what do you think, because I trying to think of how
much Michael Sheen I've seen. Iremember him. Of course we watched Frost
Nixon. Yes, at least themovie which he was poor. Yeah,
was it The Queen? I'm tryingto the one where he played Tony Blair.
I don't know if you saw thatmovie. It's the one dealing with
the when when Princess Diana died andhe's sort of having to coax the Queen
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to the public, which you knowwhen I first watched it. And again,
because you know, I don't payattention to necessarily what happened in the
UK age, especially during that time, um, because I was quite young,
Um, not that young, butyounger. Um was that It's actually
the way in this may have beenin real life. I mean Blair is
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very pro monarchy. I mean theway Michael Sheen plays the character of the
way it's written, and so it'snot like you know the oh, I
mean the sort of the paintbrush isthat. Oh, you know, the
queen retreated during Diana's death and didn'tsay anything in the public turned against her
and then eventually she came back andall was forgiven. Um, but you
know Blair sort of kind of handholding as Michael she plays her the Queen.
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I'm blanking on who played her,but it's obviously one of the ones
you would think that played. Yeah, I was just um, I was,
I was thinking Helen Mirren. Idon't quote me, but yes,
I think so anyway, that's so, and I know that's his his uma
is playing historical or real life charactersfor the most part. I mean,
I don't know his whole I sawhim on most recently other than Good Omens
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in um, the Good Fight,okay, so yeah, the spin off
from the Good Wife, So alittle bit of soap opera there, and
he was, yeah, a veryhedonistic lawyer and got some British actors in
that because the oh yeah, yeah, whose name completely goes on David Tennant
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does a podcast. Yeah, butanyway, okay, well okay, well
what do you think of Michael andAnna? Yeah? I really like it.
Um and it lends itself you knowMichael has quarantine hair, yes,
and sort of lends itself to thesort of manic energy that going on.
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Yeah, a little bit. UmSo, Yeah, that's a lot of
fun. And the two of them, even when they're not in the same
room because of course they never arein this, are just so much fun.
Because I think the stereotype when buildingthis would be like, oh,
their f enemies are they But they'renot. I mean, and I think
going into that that's what I thought. They would just be like sniping at
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each other and will they do.It's more of a friendship. I mean,
that's the foundation, and so they'resort of suffering together, you know,
they're not necessarily against each other,you know, and there is this
sniping that happens, it's not alwaysat each other, it's at each other
adjacent. Yeah, well the apparentlythe word we're going to use all the
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time until conflicts happened. But likethe sniping they do is very improv like
the sniping is yes, standing likeit's but they play along with each other,
and so like you know, whatif well what about this, and
well I do this, and wellyou also do that, you know,
and they just sort of trade theback and forth. Whether they don't necessarily
being mean at each other, they'replaying with each other. I guess,
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yeah, m it's a lot offun. And then what do you think
of judge Michael's wife? She doesvery good well partner. Oh, I
don't know, I don't think that. I mean, they might be shield
anyway, but anyway, all right, don't don't be judged. They had
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a child, new child, andthis one yep, I have a young
child. Um, yeah, Imean a thing. She's not on there
quite as much right of the four, but she gets a little bit of
a heavier role in terms of likethe neighbors like that. Yeah, um.
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And so that's and that's one ofthe things that I think is delightful
about this UM is that you dohave this improv feel of just hanging out
on the computers, but there arealso storylines happening UM that feel like they
came from the improv. Because MichaelSheen is putting his wine bottles in the
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neighbors recycling recycling because he doesn't wantthe recycling people to think he's a lush
um and gets caught, and hegets caught, yes, and then and
so he's sniping about his neighbor andall of that feels like improv and then
the storyline of you know, peoplehaven't been able to get in touch with
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the neighbor, and then the ambulanceis there, and and so it then
goes into kind of a side storythat I think is just really lovely.
Yeah, it does make me wonder, right, I would think, and
I don't know, I would thinkit's probably more written than we think it
is, because that's the side probablya good acting that it looks improvised.
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But oh yeah, no, absolutelyabsolutely, you know, speaking of two
handers, this is not at alldissimilar to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. I've seen
only the movie, and I onlyvaguely recall it. I remember not looking
it at the time. But well, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
no, you got to go back. It's Tom Stoppard. You always
want to see Tom Stoppard. Butthe idea of being you know, Rosencrantz
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and Guildenstern are these two characters whohave this whole play whilst Hamlet's going on
in the background, you know,And so that's sometimes a little bit what
this feels like. You know,You've got these two guys sitting in a
room or two rooms talking on thecomputer while the world goes around and the
neighbor falls ill and things like that, that all of that stuff is happening
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in the background, and then bringingit a little bit to Simon and Lucy.
I think an interesting part and Idon't know whether I mean, I
like it, but some people mightnot, is that you have the Lucy
storyline such as it is that apparently, I guess she has a boyfriend in
Italy. I can't remember which countrygiants, Yeah, it's one of those
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two. And it's sort of impliedthat they had some falling out of that.
She left because Simon thought the housewas empty because she was with her
boyfriend, and where because Simon isstaying at her house in the country.
He's left London to stay in herhouse because he thought it would be empty,
and also I think it might bebroken anyway. And so but she
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comes and said about the whole relationship, we don't actually get any d details.
I mean it's sort of just thrownevery now and then, like,
oh, are you going back whereshe's on the phone with him or you
know, and so there's not reallyany and not in a bad way.
There's not really depth to that sortI mean, like we don't get the
details, but I think that's verybackground. It's just enough to just you
just throw a little bit out there, just to yeah, and again feeling
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like there's so much action around themthat we haven't seen or that we don't
get to see, and that's partof the story that you know, that
lack of information on our parts ispart of what they want to be.
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And what do you think of theSimon the director the Long Suffering Directors performing?
Yeah, no, I love it. I think it's very funny.
He's very funny with them. Ithink he certainly holds his own but is
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also very prepared to step back andlet them shine. Um. And he
plays the single strike man to theirto wackiness. Yeah. Um, there's
a part there where he was justreading the whole play with them. Yea
yea yeah, a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, what do you
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think of sort of I mean this, uh, you know, as we
go back to normal as they say, quote unquote, UM, because I
think a challenge. I mean,this is obvious, and I'm stating the
obvious was that, you know,when there was the quarantine, Um,
hopefully that's the only one there is, Um, the challenge of doing theater
or drama or television in that's case. Um, but you know, very
(16:49):
similar, I suppose, um,you know, going to the Zoom drama
and whether that's real or you know, temporary, or how it works or
doesn't work. I mean because Iuh, we didn't. We didn't see
any Zoom productions, because nothing.We saw a comedy show we did,
that's true, that's true, you'reright, But we didn't actually see like,
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you know, a zoom player orsomething. Yeah, we're out there,
but just nothing. Yeah. Imean, to be perfectly honest,
in this quarantine, I haven't wantedto see for me, I haven't wanted
to see stuff that reminds me ofwhat I'm sitting in the middle of.
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Um. Oh, we did watchRata Tui. Well, that's true,
you're right, and that was thatwas a unique to do, yeah,
right, or to the musical let'ssee to Yeah, an actual movie musical.
That all of that said, thefact that I didn't want to watch
zoom plays because I didn't want tobe stuck in that. Um. I
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think that something like this, likethe Rattatui musical, the quarantine has given
us the opportunity to try new things, whether or not they stay or you
know, or go once this isdone. There's been a lot of experimentation
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and that's a lot of fun.You know, the whole that circulated at
the beginning and I think was finallysquashed to death, kicking and screaming thing
of you know, well, Shakespearewrote King Lear during the plague quarantines and
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you know, I think enough creativesgave that two fingers right away, but
that there is a certain creativity thatis born and it doesn't have to be
born, and it's not born byeverybody, and that's okay too, but
what interesting things can you do withit? And they've come up with something
(19:02):
really interesting. You know, TaylorSwift wrote three albums while right you sir
or no Taylor, Yeah, Andyou know, interesting things came out of
that as well. You know,she paired it right down and and maybe
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got to do some things that she'swanted to do for a while and didn't
have the opportunity. You know,everybody is handling this in their own way,
and if interesting things come out ofit, like staged like Taylor Swift
albums. If if that's what you'reinto as opposed to staged or in conjunction
with um, then it's it's funto see that happening. And I liked
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how they I mean, obviously youwould want to do it, you go
crazy, but they do these sortof two boxes, you know, with
with David and Michael usually but notalways. Um, but then they go
to sort of the scene so you'relike, you know, they're in the
tenant garden, you know, withDavid and Georgia or something like that,
and something sort of you're not alwaysstuck in the box boxes. Yeah,
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that's true. There are bits ofplaces where it does come out, yeah,
usually um. And I'd be interestedto know how they did that,
um, like if they set upcameras and I mean surely they don't have
a cameraman, right, But thenof course, you know, watching the
(20:33):
bow Burnum comedy special, presumably hedid all his camera work as well,
and so it's clearly doable. Yeah, um, and you can do interesting
things with it and what fun andthat's not necessarily going to become the norm,
but isn't an interesting way to dothings anyway? Now, we had
some guest stars a special way tosay it, but anyway, um,
(20:56):
some guest stars, a couple ofminor characters exactly. And we had a
friend who warned all you know thatthat this first character was going to calm
lead it. Not by name,but um, he's like, you know,
you'll want to see who the firstchoice was. Not, of course
it was Samuel L. Jackson.So we get our one American represent resent,
(21:22):
yes, yes, um, whowas such a ridiculous choice to play
a character that then Michael Shane allegedlyis coming into play. They're just such
very different actors. Um. Andone thing I don't I don't know if
this is purpose al though probably.I mean, also, who can you
(21:44):
get us? Suppose? Who doyou know? Who's I'm the rolodecks that
will answer, but I don't knowwho who among those knows? Samuel Hilton,
Yes, we did play a littlebit of six degrees of separation trying
to figure out how people were real, they said during it. But I
can't, um, But anyway,it's I think he introduces It's it's kind
of like when we talk about theWest Wings sometimes in the sorcin Esque language
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that sometimes Hill or John Wills.We'll bring in a character who doesn't necessarily
speak that language, that kind ofum, but can still play in it.
And I think Samuel Jackson kind ofdisrupts the language, whether it's just
British, but even just they're allkind of talking the same way, you
know, on the same page,but then you have this disruptive, loud
(22:29):
cussing American and yelling, and youknow that sort of disrupts the players.
And so I think that adds thatspecial spice to it. Yeah, yeah,
he's a lot of fun um.But yeah, still can't figure out
Oh yeah, who knows. Ifeel like they may have said it during
it, because maybe he said Iworked with blah blah and I couldn't catch
it, so but i'd forget.Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back
(22:52):
and watch it. And why hasn'the been on the podcast? That's right,
it's a good question. Maybe it'scoming. Maybe it's coming. We
get Adrian Lester stage, I reallywere we are subscribed to National Theater at
home. I think it's what it'scalled you live, whatever it's called.
I want to see as a fellow, Yes, very much. So.
Yeah, he's quite a establishing himselfpretty solidly right now in the British stage
(23:19):
and screen. So yeah, hewas an interesting character to come into it.
Yeah, that he was brought into help Michael and David concentrate on
me play at hand. Yes,and then yeah, which was a weird
because that was one that felt morecharacter rather than actor. Um, but
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I don't know enough about Adrian Lester. I don't think he's done. I
don't know if he's done American stuff. Has he done? I recognize him,
but I can'tell him even from doctorWho for all I know, but
I can't remember what I know.Yea, So maybe he has, but
definitely more known on the British stage. So maybe British people can tell us
why Adrian Lester is the the hippiedippie Pachuli boy. Yeah, the dream.
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Yeah, it's fantastic though, It'swonderful, And then of course we
get the on the finale of seriesone, we get one more guest star.
When Michael and David are no longerwanting to do it and fighting and
fighting the director and themselves. Webring in, bring in the big lady.
(24:33):
We bring in Dame Judy Dinch,Yes, who tells them all to
get their ship together. They saidyes to it. Suck it up,
do the part. Yeah yeah,And of course you know she almost rivals
Samuel L. Jackson for the casualvitral that she is just dishing out.
(25:02):
Suck it up, John, She'sdelightful. Yes, yes, pull the
Judy card. Yeah cool. Allright, well we will I'm sure watch
series two. Any final thoughts orthoughts. I mean, it's a very
award winning Um, you know,I staged you know, something that definitely
caught the British television public. Yep. And they did a little bit for
(25:27):
Red Noosed Days, one of thecharity days. Yeah. Um, so
that was very cool where they werewearing Shakespeare costumes or something. Yes.
Yeah, because we watched that beforewe watched stage. So now I'd almost
like to go back, and wehad access to YouTube more than we had
at that time. Yes, yes, but yeah, I can't wait.
(25:51):
Very excited. I assume that nowthat we've recorded, we can go watch
season two right exactly, Okay,now it's locked in, Okay, excellent
well with that, let's go intothe tartest library. I go to the
library, go to the library.Now, now we'll go even more adjacent
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adjacent yep um with doctor who Um. With our tartest library segment, we're
not maybe be talking about son whowas even in Doctor who Ever it's right,
but he was at the Doctor whosaid a few times in the seventies,
and that's going to be Sean Perchweeyes, son, of course,
I have the third doctor himself,John perchwey I think we talked about Sean
(26:34):
once before here Yeah with Gotham wasoh, yes, of course, yep,
you're absolutely right. I'd forgot aboutthat. But we're revisiting mister perchwey
Um with another role that he played. He played it more than once,
but we just saw one depiction ofit, and maybe we'll watch some more
if you feel in the mood.And that is from the American show Ish
(26:56):
Elementary, airing on CBS here inAmerica. But we're gonna be talking about
the episode Step nine, which premieredtwenty sixth September twenty thirteen, and I
believe it was the series too opener. And when this is the one where
it's very briefly, whant to readthe one sentence synopsis? Yes please.
Holmes and Watson travel to London tohelp track down an old mentor and investigate
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an unsolved mystery. I've never seenElementary. This is my first time watching
it. Wasn't I have watched bitsand pieces. I haven't watched it was
never something I watched in series,but I've seen some episodes. So for
folks who haven't seen it, youknow, the Elementary, if you may
tell by the title, is basicallythe American Sherlock Holmes Modern Day although well
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so Sherlock, yes, but it'sit is set in America, but Sherlock
Holmes is not American. Correct,No, you know he's not America.
No, I know that's are youthrowing me off there? Yes? Yes,
Um, so it's not an AmericanSherlock Holmes. It's an American show.
Yes, it is an American show. Sherlock Holmes is not America,
(28:07):
right right. Um, And soyou know we've seen Sherlock, you know,
the BBC version of course, soi'd always assume, you know,
that was sort of the whatever,and then like CBS is going to be
a procedural that's all they do overthere. Um, but I haven't seen
the Robert Downey junior Sherlock Holmes.I saw the first one. That's nothing
that I would write. Yeah,I didn't get that impression. But uh
(28:30):
and John c Riley, is thatright, that's awesome? Yeah, No,
that's that's um no, that's adifferent one. Oh, there's you're
thinking of Will Ferrell. Oh okay, so who's what Jude Law? Oh
that's sad. Yeah, so thatwas very also had a lot of fan
fit involved by the way they playedit apparently. Oh yeah, I could
say that. But anyway, Um, and so Sean Pertwee, if you
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know anything about Sherlock Holmes plays oneof the more prevalent characters in the litterature.
Sure m Lestrade. I don't knowif his name is Gareth and actually
the book, but NA like GarethLestrade as who he plays sort of one
of the Scotland Yard detectives head detectivesthat Sherlock Holmes often has to work with.
And so in this version Elementary Holmesis I guess dealt with him and
(29:18):
when he lived in the UK theywere very close, yes, where together
a lot Sherlock solved the cases andLestrade got the credits. Yes, and
that was apparently something that well,I suppose I both enjoy Um, you
know, Holmes always investing. Butthis is a step nine, I guess
refers to the state steps of recoverybecause in this version of of Sherlock Holmes
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and again this is my first timewatching the series. You may know better
than me, but the series begins, I guess with Holmes in recovery and
Watson is nerves is actually not reallysort of a then I think, again
I haven't watched a whole lot ofit, but I think sort of specialist
slash spots are kind of thing.So Lucy Lou, if we haven't said,
(30:10):
portrays Watson and Johnny Lee Miller playsHolmes, and so yeah, but
you know, concentrating on Sean Pertwee. He very interesting role because in this
sort of version here, he's gonedown, as it were, because he
couldn't prove a case that he thoughtwas there. You know, he thought
he knew the killer and ended upa little um am I banking this up
(30:30):
like drunk and you know, losinghimself a little bit. And yeah,
because he shows up at that funeralshooting guns yes, with a gun and
yeah, it's yeah, it allgoes a little sidewise, but yeah,
I thought it was interesting because forsome reason, I don't know where I
get it from. It maybe it'sGotham, but I always picture because Sean
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he plays it up a little bitsometimes, but he has this sort of
where I don't know where he's fromU, but he can sort of play
this the rough voice. He couldget gravel which I don't notice something is
how he actually talked, but hecan kind of play it up from that
sort of bruiser and yeah, Ican take care of myself well. And
also he did that in the wholecrap what was the Law and Order?
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Well, like I said, he'sa little softer in that too, because
I thought a little softer but stillkind of the the sideways guy, right,
and so and this one, youknow, he's playing in the Scotland
Yard detective. You don't have twoways about it. But it was just
interesting to see that he's I meanvulnerable if that's the right word. Um,
but character m yeah, like hedoesn't look like you could take care
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of himself probably yes, yeah,um, but again I mean that's a
skill that his dad had as wellof this, this chameleon being able to
slip into characters, a variety ofcharacters. Yeah, yeah, So,
I mean I think it's interesting becauseI'm sure there's he's played many parts.
I just don't know enough that he'splayed. But I mean, you know,
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he's certainly maybe it's sort of like, I don't know, jobbing actor
for lack of a better word.You know, like in America you'd be
like the law in order to gueststar, and you'd be the guest star
in Elementary be the guests, youknow. And so yeah, and I
think and I think we've talked aboutthis before that jobbing actor um is more
of a thing in Britain. Idon't know if he what his theater chops,
(32:30):
if any are. Yeah, Imean I assume he has them.
Again, British actors tend to havemore theater chops, not always UM,
but tend to have the theater chopsto go along with it. Know him
more from television, especially in Americantelevision, but not necessarily all. Yeah,
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I mean, because like, forinstance, this was filmed obviously in
the UK, So I don't knowif you know that's the count as the
UK casting yeah, I don't know. I don't know versus you know,
being flown out to work on Gothamfor I don't know how many seasons he
worked two or three year, Iforget how long that series went. But
anyway, Yeah, so yeah,I would like to watch a little more.
Yea. I find Johnny Lee Millervery watchable, and I'm not one
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hundred percent sure why. Like,I can't necessarily deconstruct what else have you
other than Frankenstein that we saw?What else have you seen him in?
Um? I don't know that I'veseen him in anything, but i'd like
I said, you know, I'veseen him in a few episodes of this,
and it's never been something that It'snever been enough to make me go
ooh, I want to keep watchingthis and binge it or anything like that.
(33:37):
But I do find him very watchable. How did you I didn't look
at what those names right there?Um? We also get the series introduces
for this elementary um Mycroft homes.Yes, I'm played by a Welsh name.
Wrong, I think it's Rhese Evansokay, sure or something akin to
(33:58):
that, So I apologize in itlance did you say you had recognized him?
Yes? He was in notting Hill. Okay, um plays the crazy
um roommate of uh hu Hughe grants, all right, yes, it was
not I mean I know he wasa nodding yeah. I mean like is
running around in his underpants and youknow, and Julia Roberts is there and
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there's him and his underpants. Youknow that sort of thing. Um,
what else you got on your list? I mean stuff that I would I
would know, but I just don'tremember him. Like apparently he was in
one of the Harry Potter films.Um, I'm going on really fast here,
sorry, Um, he was inthe Amazing Spider Man. I never
saw those Spider Man's so no,I'm going really faster on the bottom there.
(34:45):
Um. And nothing is definitely throwingout here, if we won't just
to stand here looking here. Butanyway, they're replacements that there. It
is notting Hill just played Spike,yes, okay, and then I don't
know if it's there. He wasin Dan thing at Lunasa. I was
in dance and we were not init yet. So but that was sort
(35:06):
of an interesting you know, orgave something for Lucy to do, of
course, to deal with with thatcharacter and a nice interesting introduction. Yeah,
and it seemed very close to thebooks, because I means Sherlock is
closest to the books, and Elementarythat was doing the same thing, just
obviously with a different flavor. Um, I mean more of a American forty
(35:29):
five I'm trying to have forty fiveminute versus yourlock, which can goes however
long they want to go every episode. Yeah, you know, to be
fair, Arthur Conan Doyle was writinga serial. Yeah, like a procedural.
Yes, that's what I was saying, you know, a crime procedural.
Uh so Elementary in that sense followsthat quite well. Um, that's
(35:52):
we we too often look at whatwe consider classical literature like Arthur Kennon Doyle,
Charles Dickens, and forget that CharlesDickens was writing for the newspaper when
he wrote a Christmas Carol. Youknow, Shakespeare was essentially writing soap operas
(36:14):
that he had to pound out oncea week or something like that. You
know, it's great literature, butthat does not detract from at the time
how it was. Yes, yeah, it's contemporary presentation. Yes, so
yeah, that's all I have todo that I will step down off my
(36:37):
soapbox. Now, oh good,all right, well that's all we wanted
to cover there. Short stuff.We're trying to recapture with Doctor Who we
were. I don't even know howfar we are, I will say,
mindyway through our second series of TheFourth Doctor. So we'll be talking more
about that once we finish. Andif anybody has any suggestions of Doctor Who
(36:59):
adjacent stuff we must must watch,let us know because we're always looking.
That's true. What did we seea Matt Smith in a trailer for something
something? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's that's We didn't even talk about
the zombie maybe he was in Didwe talk about this? I think we
did? We did? Him andhis ex girlfriend? Yes? Alright,
(37:22):
anyway Lily, yes, yeah,James, Yes, wasn't wasn't that?
But were you? Yeah? Imean she had a date with Chris Evans
maybe that you were telling me about. Um, But then I've just recently
seen her linked with somebody else andit's not the Dominic West's scandal, but
(37:45):
who I can't remember who? Usall okay, linked with her, but
never mind. That's sorry. That'sas a Jason as you can get.
This. This is all the gossipI got today guys, Sorry, well
until next time. Continued to enjoythe Doctor's many adventures throughout time and stays
(38:15):
This is BBC Television.
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