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Series 5 Overview

When our new Whovian Char visits, that means it's time to review a whole series! Char just finished her introduction to the Matt Smith era with Series 5 - so she joins us to talk about her first impressions of the 11th Doctor, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, and that darn crack in the wall. She also talks the Christmas special - and what she expects to see in Series 6. Where does 11 now rank in her list of Doctors? What did she think of his introduction? How is the Moffatt era? We try not to spoil her about what's to come!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the nerd Polity Welcome SpaceDoctor Podcast. I'm Jessica Nunn and I'm

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her husband and co host Philip Gilphis. Well, we're back on the mic
talking Doctor Who. Yes, spenta little while. Yeah, still no
new Doctor Who. Obviously. Yeah, I haven't have been a data announced
for when the new series is.Last year, it was like around this
time, wasn't it. But yeah, I mean I know they've been production,
they have a new companion. Yeah, but no news is something.

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News is news? Yeah, it'snot or no no no no, no,
no, no, no, nonews. And this is just the
Jody's last season. And so yeah, absolutely absolutely not what I wanted to
ask. Did you have to bringthat up? It just doesn't I don't
know. I feel like her runis not that her run has sucked.

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Her run has sucked from a Inever really got her chance. I mean
covide, covid on anyone, butshe sort of lost that year and year
and a half, and you know, it's just never I think she never
got the momentum. I was good. Yeah, I was going to use
the word momentum as well. AndI think it's one of the problems with
going so long between seasons. Isyou just lose that momentum and yeah,

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yeah, well but we're not goingto talk about that. We're going to
talk about another doctor because of coursewe have that voice. You heard our
unofficial third co host, Charlene SchmidtShar. How are you doing. I'm
back. I'm very good. Thanksfor having me back. How are you
all doing today? Yeah, startingto ease back into things. How are

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things on your end of the country. Remarkably good right now? California right
now has the lowest COVID infection ratesanywhere in the United States, which is
a huge turnaround from where we werein January, where it which just seemed
like a nothing but despair and disaster. Thank you vaccines. Yes, got

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my shots. Feeling good about that, and eventually, I mean, I'm
very very cautiously going back into theworld. It's kind of weird after all
this time. Yes, I findI don't have the stamina for it anymore.
I don't have the patience for people'sbs. Yeah, just get away

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from me, Stay away from me. I like that part. I'm going
to maintain that part of COVID precautions. Well, when Shar's done, we're
either going to be talking new episodesof Doctor Who or ald episodes of Doctor
Who. So what we're gonna bedoing is the latter. Shar has finished
series five of New Who her introductionto the eleventh Doctor Matt Smith. Yes,

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yes, we're talking about series five, which aired from third April twenty
ten to twenty six June twenty ten. So you know, we usually go
episode by episode, and we're goingto, but let's do a little character
breakdown. So let's just start withthe big obvious question, schar what do
you think of the doctor and whyis he your favorite? Well, you

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know why, Jessica. I don'tknow for sure if he's my favorite,
but he's certainly up there simply becausehe is very much like who I think
is my favorite doctor in that isDavid Tennant. He is still number one
in my book. However, MattSmith is not skipping a beat. He
jumped right in, no fear whatsoever, and at the same time he took

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the energy of David Tennant and puthis own spin on it, which I
appreciated because that's very much in linewith how I understand the doctor's regeneration to
be is pieces of the previous doctorsgo into this new incarnation, and his
doctor seems heavily influenced by David Tennant'sdoctor, probably because of a recency bias.
And nevertheless, he is his ownperson and it has been very cool

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to see that distinction form throughout thisseason. Yeah, are you now buying
more bow ties or you know?I think maybe my biggest criticism of this
doctor is his fashion sense. Idon't know if I'm digging the outfit.

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Oh sorry, I'm much more ofthe tennis shoes type person. I mean
the bow tie. If he saysthe bow tie is cool, the bow
tie is I'm not going to debatehim and argue with him on it.
It looks great on him, butjust like kind of like what is that
the tweet jacket? And like someweird way it works as it hangs together

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on him, and yet I neverwould have picked that, not in a
million years. So I don't know. Can we even find this just a
little bit next season? It's probablynot going to happen, but I feel
like the Doctor has had better fashionedsense before. I mean, no spoilers.
He will always keep the same motif, but there are some different themes.

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I don't know if it'll happen thiscoming up season. But there's a
nice purple coat that he ends upgetting into. It's around the next Christmas
special. Yeah again without things spoiled, which is one of my favorites,
because I mean, the purple looksvery good on him. Um okay,
okay, it's not like a rowcoat. I don't know how to describe.
That's a coach but like it's ithas longer tail, but it's not

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like a trench coat. You know. It's about like okay, you know,
so all right, I have anidea in my head and this sounds
glorious. Can we get to thatplease. It's always like that. It's
like a home and away team,you know, like Jody has like the
different T shirts uh huh, youknow, and then like a Tenant would
have some different shirts. I think, you know, I don't think a

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little bit. Yeah yeah, youalways the same motif, but there's a
change around a little bit. Yeahyeah. I enjoyed the casualness of David
Tennant's dot fashion sense as the doctor. That's very much in character for me.
I am a T shirt and shortsand sandals type of person because I
live in southern California and I canget away with that three hundred or so

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days out of the year. Well, we also have two new companions.
What do you think of Amy pondPa played by Karen Gillam. Now,
I have not seen her in theSuperhero movies because that's just not something thing
that I watch, So I don'tknow about that aspect of her career.
This, believe it or not.I know this is going to sound crazy.

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This is my introduction to her.She's fantastic and her character Amy.
I loved the introduction to this characterwhere it's not her necessarily it is,
but it's Amelia, the six yearold girl. And how so many of
the threads throughout this whole season startjust from the get go and get so

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intricate. How incredibly well done wasthis? Oh? What fun? And
then I guess you might not knowGod well, no, no, I
was thinking the same thing. Thelittle girl is her cousin? Is Karen's
cousin? Seriously? Oh, Scottishgirl and you know Scottish girl, And
right, that's very important. Yeah, And I mean, hey, as

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a fellow Redhead, I can onlysupport in solidarity. That's fantastic. Yes,
And I'm liking on the young lady'sname. Of course she's a teenager
now or it's might even go intocollege, but at this point. But
she was actually at Gallifrey when wesaw you this year. Kidding, yeah,
we saw a little panel with her, so oh cute. How did

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she do? Yeah, I meanshe's very you know, she's a teen
nager. Yeah, okay, yeah, I can't falter her that we've all
been there. No, yeah,absolutely, yeah. She doesn't have like
a prepared she's it sort of struckme someone like, okay, cool,
I'll show up and yeah, guys, what do you want to do?
Okay? I mean I don't haveanything prepared? But what do you guys

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want to talk about? If Iwere what wasn't eighteen, maybe about her
age at that time, I wouldhave done the same exact thing. Yep.
Yeah. And then of course wehave the plus one and the tartists.
M Rory Williams played well, yeah, oh Rory. I love Rory
so much. Honestly, he's sounderappreciated. I mean, I pretty much

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by everybody except maybe the audience.And he gets the s lines, yes,
and he steals the show with them, and I think that is fantastic.
He deserves that moment when he getsthe chance to do it. Yeah,
he's loved leg This is backard.Didn't he have some his dad play?

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It was a member of the FineYoung Cannibals. Oh okay, nice?
Yeah, yeah. I don't knowif you've ever I mean you wanted
it given your meum, but you'veever seen the he starred in Not Anymore?
But he started um what was itcalled? It was a It was

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one of the DC shows on CWOh yeah, something of Tomorrow, Legends
of Legends, okay, sort ofthe main character if you will, the
doctor watch. We watched an episodeof it, um and his character is
very much the doctor the future,time and space. Yeah yeah, yeah,
okay, not a medical doctor becauseall right from this okay tiny wymy

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doctor not yeah okay. And ofcourse broad Church Church Oh okay, that
is a show I really need towatch. Maybe when I do finish my
binge of the show. You areyou will? You will? Don't take
a drink for how many Doctor Whoactors which will be dead by the y
I do not want to go tothe hospital. You haven't met. We

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haven't shown you. Adventure in spaceand Time yet have we um No,
so she hasn't met Dad David Bradleyyet. Okay, I'll have to show
you that sometimes that'll that'll be yournext break period. That was the dramatization
of the birth of Doctor Who nineteensixty three. Oh okay, all right,
I'm intrigued. And it was donein part of the fiftieth anniversary stuff.

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That was so oh okay, yeah, I haven't think I've seen a
look of the fiftieth anniversary stuff.I know that's coming, but not yet.
Yeah, all right, Well,let's start with the beginning and start
with the Eleventh Hour. You know, you don't have to go to detail
as much as details you want,but introducing the eleventh Doctor you know you're
you know, pilots and star Trek. You know, how does the Eleventh

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Hour introduced a new doctor, newcompanions if any introduced? Reintroduce the concept
and what and the promise that thiswill give and introduce the world to the
concept of fish, fingers and custard. That's right, yeah, yes,
this is very important, right,yes, Oh my gosh, I felt
so bad for this poor kid who'sjust cooking up a storm and none of

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it is good of it Scottish friessomething no baked beans and toasted. Yes,
Oh my gosh. This episode justreally picks up right where everything left
off, doesn't skip a single beat. As far as it being an introduction.
If somebody were brand new to theshow, I do wonder if it

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would be a little too fast.Those who have seen at least something prior.
I feel like, wow, yeah, perfect continuation right into it,
without having to slow down and say, let's bring you up to speed.
This is what Doctor Who is.Oh no, no, no no.
This is a very cleverly written firstepisode of the show where you are addressing

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all of the issues you have toaddress, like with your regeneration, a
new companion, plus story threads thatare going to matter going through the whole
rest of the season. Really welldone and it moves fast. Yes,
yeah, this is the episode I'veused in the past. I don't know
a decade, God, it's beenthat long, um, Doctor Who,

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I would alway, So in yourcase, I told you just because I
said you should start with eleven ornine, and you're like, well,
I want to do but eleven isbecause because it's the most hand quote modern
episode. So in other words,you know, nine Rose. You know
you could tell it's a little older. Um yeah, but still pretty not

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bad. Yeah yeah, but soyeah, but I always used eleventh hour,
and so I think that's where westarted. When Jessica was yeah yeah,
so is this mean you started,Jessica, Well, I officially said
the first thing Philip ever showed mewas the fiftieth anniversary. Oh okay,
but taking that out of account thisbeing an introduction, how did you feel

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the pacing was? I was okaywith it. I mean I was aware
of Doctor Who, you know,I understood the way it worked, and
so I didn't feel like I wascompletely starting on the first page. Okay,

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but it worked for me. Itworked for me and kept me going.
I mean, yeah, this isa pretty rock solid season. It's
pretty decent storytelling all the way through. Yeah yeah, and a nice cameo
from Olivia Coleman. Yeah yeah,that's that's wasted role for Oh my gosh,

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so wasted. Here's your five minutesand Doctor Who's like a chameleon awards.
Yeah, now off you go towin your Oscar. Yeah yeah,
um but yeah, I uh weget what's what's the guy's name? The
um who's in I'm blanking on everything. Um. On the show with the

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family that I'll Have Superhigh Powers thatwe watched, remember he played the big
strong ah right, what is heplays the guy with the computer at the
laptop? Oh Jeff, yes,Jeff, why you're you're You're the only
one here. So anyway, Tomsomething get a girlfriend? Jeff? Yeah,
yeah, anyway, hoc anyway yeah, um but yeah, no,

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I really enjoyed this episode, andI think it's it's just you get the
costume change, no more raggedy doctor, you know, and the you get
the the invitation like you sort ofget it wrote you know, the end
of Rose Join Me time. It'soh would you think when you saw the
new tartists? Oh oh oh thisthing is gorgeous. Yeah, this might

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be my favorite one yet. Itis beautiful. I love the color palette.
I love the design. It reallyhas that larger than life quality to
it. And then it's got justa bit of a steampunk vibe, which
I know was very big at thetime. I kind of dig on it.
How about you, guys. Ilike it. I mean, I

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think it's my favorite. I meanit's the most quote quote childish one.
I mean with the ping pongs andthe clear and all the ketchup and the
mustard and the and everything mustard playful. But I like that all the other
ones before and even after, tobe spoilerly, are a little more formal.
Um, you know, Jody's isits tone thing because it has well

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that's true, because I'm something likewith the way the orange and all that,
yeah crystall line, but every allthe before and after the consoles are
a little more formal, and soI like this one's a little more playful.
So yeah, yeah, I kindof dig on the whole ketchup and
mustard thing. I don't know why. I just think it's a very cute
and funny touch. Why not.Yeah, absolutely absolutely got our new Screwdriver.

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I don't know if you're if youyeah, New Sonic, yeah,
yeah yeah, New Sonic, newtartists, new intro, new logo,
Yeah, new music, which Ido like. It definitely has that pacing
letting you know. This is anhighly energetic show. And I always kind
of laughed when this show first cameout, even though I wasn't watching Doctor

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Who. I knew about the DoctorWho logo. This is just a little
bit of a tangent. I wasworking in a newsroom and I was in
Wyoming, which is and their universityis part of the Mountain West Conference,
which is the collegiate division that they'rein, and the Mountain West logo still
to this day looks like the DoctorWho logo. Go look it up.

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Just look up Mountain West Conference andit's almost the same thing, just not
quite as tall. And I remember, way back in the day, there's
this website it's called totally looks likedot com. I submitted Mountain West Conference
looks exactly like the Doctor Who logo. Yeah, it's I don't know,
maybe because that's just so this isjust sort of my era, but that

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is my sort of favorite that DWand then it starts to a tartis and
so yeah it's cool. So yeah, that's sort of my favorite logo.
I like it music wise, Idon't know if it's my favorite. I
really like a lot of iterations ofit, but I don't mind it.
It's good. I like it alot. I thought that it was my
favorite, but then when I hearthe ten music with like the guitar,

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you're just sort of like ready torock to Doctor Who. But that's just
me. So all right, Well, let's go to the sophomore effort.
As you know, the second episodescan sometimes sag. You can tell me
whether you thought it did or not. That's where we get Britain in space.
Oh is this Queen Elizabeth? Yep? Thirty year but yeah, it's

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Britain in space. It's uh,well, I mean I wouldn't want to
live here. It sucks. It'sa police state, but Scotland is independent,
so that's kind of cool. Thiswas a really good episode for Amy
where we kind of get to knowher a little better and she gets to
be the hero. But you knowwhat really gets me in this episode is
I cannot get over the fact thatthey're covered in vomit the whole time.

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This won't be dignified. They've gota just stink and I'm thinking about it
the entire time and cringing a little, and it really does kind of take
me out of the story. I'msorry, I know that's a really stupid
petty thing, but vomit just ohI hate it, man, I just
I can't get over that. Sothat that took it down a much.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Idid like what they did with Amy though,
where she does she liked does shejust like breaking the rules or is
it simply a matter of questioning authoritybefore following the rules where you're kind of
learning her distinction on that M Yeah, I appreciated that. Yeah. I'm

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trying to figure about whether there's tracksall the time, but theoretically, because
I'm thinking about with um Rose,the first episodes on Earth, second episodes
in Space in the future, likethere's theoretically there's a track of like present
day Earth, future space past,like there's always sort of like a little
pattern, but I think this oneallows her to save the day, and

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and there's kind of a repeating themeand Doctor even it's not a bad thing
of the companion reminding the doctor ofwho she or he is, um of
his humanity. Yeah, so yeah, so I thought, and we get
we get a list ten, sotake that the sun. Yeah indeed,

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so I guess you really, Yeah, this is a sophomoric effort. I'm
not a bad one, but thatfor sure. My I sort of like,
you know, if you're for anew audience, you know, this
is their second episode. Now.I like how it's sort of like the
beginning the Doctor is setting out likethe prime direct of like, oh,
yeah, say, here's the thing. We don't interfere, which, like

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anyone has ever seen Doctor before islike no, yeah, but all he's
like telling the rules to Amy.We we don't we don't interfere, and
then it's like unless unless uh huhyeah, keep going. So um we
get always controversial here for us.A DOLLEC episode Victory of the Dolleks starring

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Winston Churchill. Yes, okay,this could have been a really flat We've
already on its kind of an episodebecause we have Dolleks, we've got World
War two, and boy we loveour World War two episodes. But right,
I get that. But as faras a DOLLEC episode goes, this

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wasn't bad at all. I kindof liked the shift in dynamic where we
know why the Doctor doesn't trust theDolleks, but everybody else on screen at
this point does they think the Dolleksare the good guys until they're not,
And that was kind of cool.That was different. I liked how I

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knew something was up with the scientistwho created the Dolleks, and it was
because he was a machine, ofcourse, just it was a little obvious
and yet the reveal was still goodand I did appreciate the iMac variety of
Dolleks where they come in different colors. It reminded me so much of that

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that was you know, at thetime, and as you can imagine how
fan communities react, that was avery controversial thing about were people the Crayola
crowned dollars. I don't I mean, I don't mind them at all.
I think it's fine, but youknow, you know how people are purests.

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Yeah, no, I feel likethe dolleks should express themselves and there
should be a color palette. Likeif they're all just monochrome, that gets
tiring after a while. I didn'tmind it at all, and in fact,
I kind of I enjoyed it.I just thought, oh, that's
kind of a cute touch. That'sdifferent. But the design overall, the
aesthetic made them look really good.I have like my red dollarc over there.

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Um. Yeah, like I said, it like pop green and gray,
and I mean that's you know,it's boring after it gets boring after
a while, it does. Idid appreciates Yeah, I mean, how
many stories can you do with them? Really? They they're fairly one note,

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Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I'm I'm already
kind of like guys, this isoverplayed, but we'll see what they do
with them next. There's probably twistsin there that I'm not aware of,
so I'm willing to give it achance. I did appreciate Amy's character development
in this episode, where she doesnot strike me as the the academic type.

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Right, it's not necessarily receiving highmarks on her A levels and stuff
like that, so she makes upfor it though an abundance with common sense
and streets smart. She's not stupidat all, and it makes a lot
of sense for this character where sheis a very I mean, she was
basically independent on her own from avery young age. She had to learn

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how to fend for herself, andso it's no surprise to me that she's
got this. She had to beYeah, yeah, I mean it.
You know, everyone is a person. But to compare as fans are doing,
I mean, of the companions you'veseen, you know earlier, I'm
talking about nine to ten, she'sthe most like Rose, except of course
she's a little bit older, orat least character wise. The actresses maybe

(24:11):
in this but so weird I feellike she's younger. Yeah. The Rose
was supposed to be like nineteen orsomething like that. Yeah. Um.
But also she's not, you know, different environment. She's Scottish and you
know, middle class. I'm handquoting that, yeah, um and so.
But yeah, but still has thatsort of again, emotional intelligence more

(24:33):
than you know, book smarts ifyou will. Yeah, although I would
say Amy has more of it thaneven Rose did. Rose was more naive.
Amy is on Yeah, she will, she will not hesitate to punch
you. She knows to punch you. Yeah. Yeah, I like the

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I can't that actor who played theScientists, We've seen him in other stuff.
He's actually yeah, very good.Um another um um, I'm trying
at what But yeah, I likethat little part of you know, Morabella
tell us more. Everybody shouldn't.But yeah, I liked it. I
liked it all right. Well,going on from Victory of the Daleks,

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we go to tell me doctor,go back to that what can you What
do you know about the Weeping Angels? Oh boy, yeah, here we
go the Angels, Flesh and Stoneand the Return of Song. Yes,
Oh my gosh. Watching Alex Kinsmanon Er has given me a whole new

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appreciation for this character seeing her inthat role as as opposed to this role.
Oh my gosh. I and reallyI can't get enough right now.
But I love river Song right now. The mystery, I still don't know
what is up with her. She'sso very good at being like you feel
like she's giving you an answer,and yet she's giving you more questions than

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answers when she tells you who sheis, So it's just like, well,
what is this? I've not reachedthose conclusions yet. So she is?
That was on my list to askyou whether you had any thoughts about
who is Rivers. I have noidea episode for that first yea, I
have no idea. Well, Idon't know if she's the doctor's wife,

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because that's what she says, butI don't know whether to believe that or
not. I have no idea.I'm just holding my breath and waiting for
things to reveal as they will intheir due time. And what do you
think I think? To me thisis I feel like it's an amazing part
on the actor's part. But youknow her and David Tennant, of course,

(26:44):
played opposite of each other. Whatdo you think of how her and
Matt work with each other. Ithink it's so amazing that a twenty eight
year old is able to hold hisown. It's virtually no difference to me,
I feel like she or he,I mean, they play off perfectly.

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It's it's just there's no loss,there's no difference. It's all good.
And then for her to to youknow, which I know was just
a one off and with well twoparts, but to have this romance with
a character but the character is adifferent actor, you know, yeah,
yeah, and yet I mean reallythere is that intrinsic understanding of who the

(27:33):
doctor is that it's still the doctorregardless of physical form. Hm. So
I mean that's that's quite a bitof intelligence going into that performance in that
respect. And what did you thinkof this return also of another character,
the Weeping Angels. Yeah, Ihad a feeling this wasn't going to be

(27:56):
a thread left hanging. I hada feeling we'd see this kind of story
somehow again. And I love howAmy ships the Doctor and River Song like
I'm right there with her. Ido too. And oh my gosh,
these statues. Is it just me? Or have they gotten creepier? Ha

(28:18):
ha? Yes, I are thereis a featurette we watched where it should
all the I think they're mostly womenwho play the angels, and like,
I mean they're full done up andlike they don't put the contact lenses till
the end, like until they're filming. Um. But other than that,
like you just see them, youknow, the way they're and then you

(28:38):
see them out back having a fivethat's got to be even weirder. Yeah,
oh my gosh, because on screeneven that is fairly creepy. So
to see that, oh, theseare actually real people in a bunch of
makeup. Oh okay, not cool. I mean I can just imagine there

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can't be any amount of eye dropsthat make you feel good after wearing this
kind of a gritty looking makeup owl. Yeah, it's even worse. It's
it's not actually a contact it's anice cover. Like it literally goes they're
wearing they're wearing, you know,the mask, and so we can't see
or hear anything anything so or verylittle, you know. So, oh

(29:27):
gosh, that's gotta be a toughday. But I think in any like
sci fi or fantasy, what doctorwho does so great is like you have
this for two episodes, this chaseand suddenly it's like, you know what,
We're in a forest now, Sonow we're doing a forest chase,
like you know we're doing Do youknow? I did like that. I

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mean, forests are oxygen factories.It does in some way makes some sense
that you would have this on aspaceship. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
They justify that beautifully, they reallydid. It would be really cool to
have this whole ecosystem thriving on thisspaceship providing the oxygen you need. And

(30:10):
then it's also just like a beautifulplace. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
And not to do to go tooforward, but just so we can recognize
them in this episode. What didyou think watching the season finale and realizing
there's a scene in this episode thatis supposed to be set in the season

(30:30):
finale when the doctor comes across throughthe second time is actually the future doctor?
You know, it's so very timey. Whymy right? Yeah, I
was not expecting that whatsoever. Andto be honest, as a first timer,
it is a little hard to keeptrack of all the time periods stuff.

(30:51):
I don't know if I've got itcompletely solidified in my mind, but
that was a hell of a reveal. Now, I've got to know how
much did they plan this season inadvance? Because the details that they're throwing
into these episodes, it can't justcome out of nowhere. They can't just
be doing this on the fly.There's way too much it's got to go
into it. Well, yeah,I mean I feel that way about most

(31:18):
of the entire three years. Youknow, the river Song through line that
goes and goes and goes, andyou think, well, and then with
some of the big reveals that riverSong that you get with River Song,
you know, were they or didthey just tweak it to fit or did

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they have this plan four years agoin the writer's room you know it?
Yeah, falling to me, like, seriously, I wouldn't be surprised at
all if they had it all inthe can ready to go. If Stephen
Moffatt had been planning this out.Imagine the post it notes the all surrounding
his room, stacks all over thewall. Yeah, but that's the only

(32:06):
way you can make a crime sayingyeah, yeah, I think you know,
and we'll get in the season finalewe talked about it, but um,
yeah, I think Moffatt can dothat. Well. He does the
arcs very intric hit and whether thatyou think that's good or bad will get
into But but yeah, you know, so that crack in the wall still
showing up, guys, you know, not that, not that, not

(32:29):
that Russell didn't do a little bit. But I think he was a little
more in this. I don't saythis as a critique. He's a little
lighter hand with what he did andwith his arcs, um because they weren't
necessarily hard arcs. Necessarily, um, you know, a little bit of
the Masters the Prime Minister about Saxonor Bad Wolf or you know, Doctor
Donna. But I mean it wasn'tlike hitting you over the head, and

(32:50):
you know, it's a light yeah, whereas Moffatt is more of a hard
arc. Yeah, you know,this Crack in the Wall is the arc,
guys, you know, not goingaway. Yeah, I see what
you mean. And I think Moffatttakes bigger risks, and so when they
pay off it's stunning. And Iagree when they aren't, when they don't

(33:12):
pay off as well, it feelsawkward. But for the risks he's taking,
and I think it's worth it.Yeah, I agree. So far
it seems like they do pay off. Heavily, and yeah, I feel
like he's just been building up onwhat Russell T. Davies started and has
taken it to another level. Yeah, and those two because he was writing

(33:37):
for Russell T. Davies as well, but then Chipnall was as well.
I don't understand because the RTD toMoffat turnover felt so smooth, and then
Chipnaals come in and it just hasn'tfelt like a smooth transition at all.

(33:57):
I have to agree, Yeah,And I don't understand why because it's clearly
not because Moffatt was writing for ourTD and Chipnell was writing for Moffatt,
so it's not that that isn't thetrick. And I just wonder. I
don't know, because do this thiswill be a whole tangent in which we'll
skip it here. But obviously Chimdall'svery involved. I mean, he's almost

(34:21):
all the story credits in the firstseason, if not all the second as
well, so it's not like he'snot in charge, you know, where
I would you know, I wouldsay like, well, Moffatt, you
know he I don't know how thewriters work on Doctor Who because they don't
have a writer's room that I understandin a way that we do it here
in America. But like you know, you could tell MOFA. It's like,
this is what we're doing. Guys. You know, you do what
you want, but this is whatwe're doing. And theoretically Chimnell's doing the

(34:43):
same thing. But it's maybe itdoesn't do art. I don't know.
I mean he doesn't. I meanhe did broad Church, he does art.
I'm saying for doctor Who. Yeah, I know it's yeah, I
don't know broad Church and I tellyou Chipnell done it, You'll be like,
oh my god, this guy's amazing, Like wait, no he also
do yeah, yeah, just Idon't necessarily need big arms, but some
sort of through lines that thematic something. Yeah, and I think Chimneal has

(35:09):
tried, but they don't feel cohesive. Yeah, they don't pay off like
this does at all. Yeah.I don't know why there's a disparity,
but there definitely is. I doagree with you on that. Like the
transition from Russell T. Davies toStephen Moffat was just absolutely if anything,

(35:30):
it was an elevation of what wassome already good Yes, which that's amazing.
That's not always how it goes.So they pulled that off to perfection
and then some and then yeah Chimnal. Right now I'm not the biggest fan
of prove me wrong. Chimneal.Yeah, well so that for this next

(35:52):
episode. To me, I thought, the interesting thing is, you know,
you feel like, Okay, sowe've settled what the series is,
Doctor Companion, It's great, Iwant more. No, that's not what
the series is. Vampires of Venice. Guys, we haven't forgotten a character,
and that's Rory Williams. Yes,well, okay, we have to

(36:13):
mention just the whole thing of weknow that Amy is on the verge of
her wedding night, and yet inFlesh and Stone, she I guess puts
the moves on. The doctor wantsto have a one night stand, but
then she's gonna get married anyway.W T there is a and I wish

(36:35):
I could Well, I'm sure Ican't find it, but I'll send it
to you. Moffatt has said heregrets how that scene came across. He
meant for it, I think,and I had to read again paraphrasing.
He meant that, like she's justgone through this big event and it's shaken
her up and that's her reaction.But he's like, it comes across in
a different way than I maybe meantfor it too. Yeah I did.

(36:59):
I made her look bad adrenaline.Yeah, no, it does not look
like adrenaline at all. When Iwent to Dragon Con, this would have
been a course two years ago.There was group cosplay of everyone wearing the
red Uh I forgot what the bachelorparty shirts? Oh yeah, yeah,

(37:20):
oh my gosh, Oh wow,that's funny again an easy cosplay. Yeah
yeah, yeah, totally, that'sfantastic. Yeah, but again, where
is Rory in Amy's mind? That'ssomething that definitely occurs to me many times
throughout this season, because it's veryclear that he cares about her so much.

(37:40):
She is the love of his life. But for her I went back
and forth all the time on whetherthe feeling was completely mutual, and I
thought, are these two too youngto be getting married? They probably are?
And yeah, do I want themto succeed? Absolutely? I do
so. With Vampires of Venice weget the lay because of course, she

(38:04):
unfortunately passed away this year. HelenMcCrory playing the villainettes of the piece very
interestingly. I like, um,oh, she's just fantastic. She's just
so good. So would you sortof think of the not vampires kind of
reminds me of Shakespeare with not witches. Yes, yea, yeah, I

(38:25):
mean really, I think the highlightof this is Rory being the fish out
of water and him yeah, yeah, yeah, I set myself up to
that. Also him confronting the doctorfor putting him an Amy in a dangerous
situation. I do like it whenthe companions official or otherwise say excuse me,

(38:52):
what are you doing? Because forthem it's got to just be so
so disl just they're so out ofplace, they don't know what's going on.
It's got to be so disorienting.And I feel like that's where Rory
is, and it's good to berefreshed on that where not everybody just goes
along with it. Like Amy isdefinitely up for anything. She always has

(39:14):
been. I think that was instilledjust from the moment she was a very
little girl, where she believes inthings that are that don't make sense at
the time, but she's willing tofollow, whereas she grabs her suit case
and is ready to go exactly Rory, on the other hand, I'm sure
even at six year olds old,would we have a lot of questions like

(39:35):
where are you taking me? Whoare you? What are you doing here?
And a whole list of other things. Yeah, and I think it's
interesting. And again it's hard forme to remember what my reaction was a
decade ago, but that there couldbe this Mickey effect I'll call it that.
Well, we're like, oh,it's the loser boyfriend, the dumb

(39:59):
comic relief boyfriend, you know,get rid of him. You're with a
doctor now, a companion um.And so I think like even the introduction,
not reintroduction we saw him before,but where he goes into the tardest
and he's like, yeah, it'sthe trans dimensional you know, da da
da, and it's actually guy likeit when people say it's bigger on the
inside. I have to sort oflike bad introduction of where like the audience

(40:22):
would would maybe we don't like thisguy. But now having seen the whole
series, I mean, I thinkRory and Arthur and all, you know,
the character, the actor and thewriting. I mean I don't I
mean, I don't know. Isuppose someone can hate Rory, but like,
oh my god, I'm just gonnasay, how can you hate Rory
Nicky. I can understand because heis kind of like the dumb ass boyfriend.

(40:43):
But Rory is a solid dude.He's got him bind on him,
he's got a good job, he'shis trainers, he's a trainers. He
wears his heart on his sleeve.What is not to love about this guy?
Like, honestly, if I wereAby Pod, yeah, I'm getting
this guy right away and he's nevergoing there at my own exactly. I

(41:07):
am solidifying this contract for life forsure. You're not gonna get better than
this. He is solid, man. I love him, and I just
love just the way that he hiscommentary on what is going on at the
time. It's so good. Justthe goofy things that he says, like,
you know, gondola driver and stufflike that. In this the way

(41:31):
he kind of makes it up ashe goes along, trying to figure it
out for himself. I appreciate thatso much. Meanwhile, Amy's in it.
I think she enjoys the thrill ofthe danger, and the way I
interpret the relationship between Amy and Roryis it's opposites attract She's attracted to fire

(41:52):
and danger and he's attracted to likeloyalty and stability, and somehow they're going
to maybe make that at work.I don't know. I hope they do
well if he you know, staysalive as Amy's choice. So this gets
directly to your question, would youthink about, you know, now with

(42:15):
the dream Lord forcing Amy to choosebetween the doctor and Rory, and you
have two scenarios, which is realand which is Yes, Oh, this
is a mind effort. I reallylike it, though, I don't know
if I would say it's it's amongmy favorite, but I really really appreciate

(42:36):
this turn. They don't often dothe mind like you said, yeah,
it's it's very much kind of youknow, the two realities, the almost
it's a wonderful life kind of athing of this is the life you could
choose. This is the other optionthat you have. Which one do you
choose? There's I mean, it'sit's definitely trying to be a lighthearted and

(42:57):
comedic episode. I think the pregnancyjokes get a little old, but there's
still some funny jabs here and there. The dream Lord gets really creepy though.
Yeah, and one thing really didbother me in this episode is the
revelation that Amy never told Rory thatshe loved him ever and they're getting married?

(43:21):
What is this? Yeah? Yeah, yo, Okay, I don't
want to tell Rory what a goodrelationship is. I guess I have some
suggestions and some advice as someone who'sbeen married for almost fifteen years. I'm
just saying, man, I mean, I felt so bad for him in

(43:43):
that moment. Dare I say doeshe deserve better? I kind of went
there with this episode, just likeAmy, I love you, but do
you love Rory? And should weneed to have some talks? And I
I really enjoy the revelation at theend that is such like presented as a

(44:04):
hand wave, But I'm like,as an audience member, it just stays
with you for like a couple ofminutes. You're like, wait, what
doctors like? Oh yeah no,the dream lord was me? Wasn't that
obvious? Yeah? And you're like, wait, everything that guy said is
your subconscious and I like, youjust deal with that? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, here you go PLoP,deal with that. This is what

(44:25):
he thinks. Oh yeah, Idon't know if I want to deal with
that. Yeah, because you don'toften see that dark side of the doctor,
which I don't know. I knowthat's always the thing. We want
to see the dark side, whichI think, yeah, but I think
this is a lovely way to dothat because you have this happy, go
lucky Eleventh Doctor that we've seen sofar, and to know that that dark

(44:47):
side is still there, oh boy? And is it? Yeah, it's
creepy. Next we have a twoparter which wasn't necessarily one of my favorites,
but it was fine. The HungryEarth and cold Blood this new to
you, I know, But tothe return of the Silurians, I write,

(45:09):
yes and whales and yeah. Iwas really hoping this would be better
than it was. I think I'mon the end of I'm not a big
fan of it either, and interestinglyenough, it is a Chris Chipnell story.
Ah, I do. The redeemingfactor of this to me is the

(45:32):
return of the Silurians. Yeah,yeah, I love that. I know,
as a species, I think they'revery cool. But what they do
here, this story really seems totake a long time to get going,
which I think is right in linewith Christian Yes, thank you, you
know what I needed some more gueststars. Yeah, I didn't really feel

(45:55):
like this episode, this two partor even really got going until Hill about
the end when we're really moving andthe story to the con conclusion. So
ah, yeah, not my favorite. No, Like I said, it's
not bad, but it's just like, for two episodes, I'm like,
god, yeah, okay, Iget it there underground. Yeah, I

(46:16):
don't know. Mom, the mom'sjust horrible, and so like, I
fine, you can kill the mom. I don't know if she lives whatever
that. Yeah, Like, Ifeel like we're supposed to have really serious
emotional moments in these episodes, andI kind of found myself not buying it
and wondering why, what is thereason, And I didn't come to any

(46:38):
real conclusions other than just I don'tcare. M. I didn't get invested
in this one. Yeah, that'swhy. That's why. But it was
all building us up to Vincent andthe Doctor. Yes, okay, now,
Philip, you told me that thisis your favorite Doctor Who episode of

(47:00):
all time? Is that correct?It is? I think it is.
I think it is. Um it'sit's one of my favorites because I love
that are like, okay, it'sa Doctor Who and the monster episode.
Whatever. We got rid of themonster now, so let's talk about what
the real episode is we're like,we look, we did the monster bit,
all right, now check block.All right, that's not what the
episode is about though. It's justgoing to be about Vincent. That's what

(47:22):
the episode is um. And Imean, I just like the the way
I mean, and I know you'reyou're you deal with the subject more more
than I do, but just dealingwith mental health and then dealing with you
know, the end and you knowthat just you know, he he still
kills himself. You're not going tochange that. Yeah, but what you

(47:43):
can do in the meantime is havemore good days than bad days, and
you know you get a good nicebill nihe cameos. Who doesn't love that?
Yeah? Another cracker of bow tiethat ties. Both ties are so
prevalent in this season. I reallydid like this episode. I felt like

(48:04):
it was a very solid installment ofI almost said Babel on five. I
was talking to Babel on five rightbefore here. I'm getting my shows mixed
up of Doctor Who, and it'sI don't know if it's my favorite,
but I think upon further rewatches,it's probably going to stand out more and
more to me, just because itis such a very good episode and what

(48:25):
it is trying to say. Andall in all, I mean it is
beautiful in every respect, from thecrafting of the episode, the way the
story is told, the portrayal,it's all very good. I see why
it's your favorite Philip. Yeah,and you know you have that artist perspective
of the way events and sees theworld, and then the way they sort

(48:45):
of, you know, put thelamp shaded at the end that you know,
there's a lot of people or artistswho have a myriad of issues,
but not a lot of them makebeauty out of it, which is what
sure. Yeah, and soya,and the message is really good. I
mean we even if like the wholecliche of no good artist is appreciated in

(49:07):
their time, I think is inplay here. But I think it all,
it all kind of comes to thefact that we all mean more than
we think. We all have agift to share. That's a beautiful message
to put out there in the worldas it is, so as far as
messaging goes, man, you can'tget any better than that. I think
it's just steps that just has obviouslya lot of heart too. It's I

(49:29):
mean, there's a lot of episodesof good plot or good moments or good
characters, But I mean, theheart of this episode is what it is
and so, and the actor whoplays Vincent van Go is amazing. Yes,
And as Instagram has now reminded me, there is a van Go exhibit
that I can go see in LosAngeles, and I should probably learn more
about him. I don't know awhole lot about van Go and his work,

(49:52):
and so maybe I'll appreciate it moreif I learn about him a little
more. I mean, skipping toof the end, we have a copy
a poster of the exploding tartist onin the van golf Do you really?
Yeah? We have a finale you? Oh how cool? That is awesome.

(50:13):
I'm a little jealous love all right, So we are almost at the
end here. The penultimate is speakingof guest stars. Yes, starring James
Gordon. Yes, Oh my gosh, I had no idea this was happening.
I had no idea James Gordon wason Doctor Who at all. But

(50:36):
he played such a great character.I really loved him in this. He
did such a great job. Itwas kind of a perfect role for him.
And yeah, this episode generally,I mean, even though it is
adlic and a Cyberman kind of likecrossover thing happening here. It's all of
our greatest hits in one right.I still loved it. It was a

(50:59):
good story, it was fun,it was entertaining. Yeah, it's light.
But by the way, this thisI had to when I was looking
at them this episode on online,I forgot. This actually is a thread
that'll be picked, this mysterious,tartest like thing. Uh huh, that's
actually a thread for next season.I've wondered about that. Okay, good

(51:22):
to know. I had a feelingthat's put there for reasons. It had
to be right, so of course, yeah, yeah, so well,
and not to keep short shrift,but just to get to the season finale
two parter the Pandorica Falls and theBig Bank. Oh my gosh, yeah

(51:42):
we have Winston Churchill coming back whereher song is back. I mean you
immediately know this will be an epicstory. Everyone, Yeah, Bullion or
members of the Blue Man Group,I'm not sure which after m Yes,
my favorite quote comes from these episodes. Does it bother you that your life

(52:04):
doesn't make any sense every freaking day? Doctor? I love it. I
love it, I love it,I love it. Uh yeah, this
is in my top five doctor whospeeches moments. That's the doctor on Stonehenge.
Um A, Matt does a greatjob. But b there's a YouTube

(52:25):
clip of Sylvester McCoy, the seventhDoctor, who you've just seen five seconds
of him, yes, um doingthis speech because there's this there's this kind
of YouTube phenomenon of giving the previousdoctor's speeches from knew who to read and
um, I mean I can perfectlysee the seventh doctor giving the same speech

(52:45):
because he's with that Scottish you know, English whatever accent, you know,
because he's clearly Scottish. But uhyeah, just giving this grand you know,
let someone else go first, youknow. Oh, it's such amazing
spit. Yes, Rory the Romanreturns. Yes, he looks very good

(53:09):
in that costume. I can seewhy that happened. Well, save it
for the honeymoon. Indeed. Yeah, this turned into a very like wicked
and intricate story. In part one, it got me wondering had Rory been
assimilated by the cybermen. There wasjust all sorts of craziness going on,

(53:31):
and then leaving off on the cliffhangerwas all super super good. But what
I really love more than anything Ithink is just how in the second part
everything that we have watched in thiswhole season comes back to tie up.
But yeah, oh wow, allthe post it notes, all all the

(53:57):
post it's all the cracks, LittleAmelia slash Amy is back. I mean
wow, just the way this allworks and comes together. I was blown
away. I'm what genius The wholething with the two Sonics and the way
that the Sonics saves the day asthe prop that was pretty amazing. Um

(54:25):
also talk about easy cousplays. TheEleventh Doctor mops that's all you need?
Yeah, yeah, feasters are cool, Yeah yeah, the whole time First,
what on earth is on your head? Just reminded me of the hats
that Devo wore. Honestly, Ohyeah yeah. I was hoping that whip

(54:46):
it would make a soundtrack cameo,but that didn't happen. And stop me
if I'm wrong. But Geronimo,isn't that a callback to leading into episode
one? Yes? Yes, didn'the say that? Crashing in the tart
is okay? Okay? I thoughtso? Yeah? Yeah, the time
sequences too. I've got to geta props to the editors for the way

(55:09):
they're putting those together. That isa ride. How freaking long did it
take them to do all of that, because if it looks like a lot
of effort, it had to havebeen at least three times the actual amount
of work. Yeah. Who wow, they went all out. It was

(55:30):
amazing. And then of course,okay, we can't forget the fact that
there is a whole wedding in thisall of us too. Yep, it
finally finally got married. Oh mygod, I didn't know if it would
happen. You've seen this dress hangingin the closet for how long? Now,
mister roy Pond, Yes, misterroyd as I should be Yes,

(55:53):
Yeah, it is, mister Pond, for sure. This I think it
had to have been one of themost ambitious stories I've seen a date.
And I mean that saying something consideringthat the Tenant era closed off with a
big, huge, grand finale,but in terms of the storylines, the
way it all comes together, theway it's been threaded throughout the whole season.

(56:17):
I saw what you did there.That was pretty cool. Wow.
I was impressed. Hazard in myopinion, anyway, I'm not sure this
is the biggest of the Maffa era. Wow, what do I mean like
as far as epic. No,yeah, that's true. I mean,
you know, yeah, that's true. Without giving any spoilers, I mean

(56:39):
you well, having seen the series, you'll see how he works, so
you know, Okay, so whatyou're saying is that there's more yes,
yeah or yeah, like that's that'show he does things. So the next
season will I'm not saying it's gonnabe boring, but that's how he worked.
He's gonna do it, okay,you know, so wow, which

(57:00):
I can say. I mean,I'm not saying they didn't do it first,
but it's very American, you know, to have the sort of the
big arc and then the big,huge finale. So yeah, I suppose,
but it's done so well oh yeah, no, no, yes,
yeah? And then yeah, howdo you like the doctor you love with
doctor's dancing abilities? Ah, well, you know, I really have no

(57:23):
room to talk. I'm not exactlya dancer either, So the fact that
he's quite a dorky dancer, Ienjoy it. It's cute, it's very
fitting for him, especially in thatcostume. Yes, and then we get
sort of the last few minutes,we get him handing the diary back to

(57:44):
River and yes, yes, Iam intrigued by the changes. No,
what I was asking was are youmarried? Not are you? Yes?
Yeah, again with the cryptic answers. Oh yeah, when that reveal comes,

(58:05):
man, I expect big explosive.Yeah, I'm just gonna put that
out there. Yeah, well,figurative volved, there's always going to be
a big explosion. Yes, I'mexcited for that. I'm waiting, I'm
ready. Yes, literally, thebeginning of that episode there is a huge
explosion. But anyway, and sowe get the rory, we get the

(58:29):
married couple and the tartess first time. Yes, yes, oh my gosh.
Now this is the very first marriedcouple to be companions on Doctor Who.
Correct. Yes, that's cool.I like the dynamic. I'm looking
forward to seeing how that all goes. Is the doctor a third wheel in
his own tarness? All right,and let's bring it home. And we're

(58:52):
just kind of rushed it and Idon't mean too, but we have a
few minutes left here, so let'stalk a Christmas Carol. Yeah, we
got to talk about this. Holycrap. I really love this so much.
As far as the Christmas specials go, this one easily tops the list.
It is so freaking good. Iwhat is it not to love about

(59:14):
the fact that there is a sharkdriving a sleigh. I mean, Shark
Nado hasn't even done that yet,I don't think, right, so they
got nothing on this yep, yeand Catherine Jenkins. Yeah yeah, I
mean it's a very thinly failed,kind of like Scrooge type of an episode,
and yet it's done so well whereit's planting again the threads early on

(59:36):
in the story that you use lateron. It's just good storytelling and I
appreciate that. And yeah, it'sit's so good, and I appreciate little
cute, kind of nonsensical things,even like how the doctor almost married Marilyn
Monroe. The fact that they tookthe time to actually put that in it's

(59:58):
very good. Yeah, the storyitself, the whole thing of like,
okay, I've got one day tolive. That's not completely unlike anything we've
seen before. It's not crazy,but it's just done so well that I'm
not mad about it. Yeah,it's not. It hits tropes obviously,

(01:00:20):
and it's not. There's nothing particularlyspecial about this episode except that it's just
beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, it'sjust written and performed so beautifully that you
can't help but love it. Sothat gets me in all the happy feels,
and as a Christmas episode, itgets me into that holiday spirit.

(01:00:45):
I have every intention of during theholiday season this year watching this episode again
just to get me in the mood. I mean, I saw a chimney
and I thought, what the helland we mentioned cool Ties once again in
this episode. It's cool Tie,that's right. I mean there's I think

(01:01:06):
there's just so many great moments thatlike get like near the halfway through when
um young adult um Kasran is like, I think she wants me to kiss
her. What do I do?He's like, UM, be real nervous
about it, and you know,yeah, being nervous, be awkward about
it, it'll be fine. Yeah, Um But yeah. I do like

(01:01:27):
how they do pass present future,like he said, I know it's tropish,
but like not the way you'd expect. Okay, you do pass okay,
but he goes back in time andwatch, you know, and then
with person you get Amy with theHolograms. Amy and the Holograms a great
band. Yeah right, But thenI like that future where he's like,
oh, yes, you're gonna showme, gonna be alone and die.
I already know that already, andyou're like, well, that's that's what's
going to happen. Then he's like, Nope, that's not the future.

(01:01:51):
It's sees the young version, right. I was wondering for a little while
how this was all going to tietogether because we have Amy on the ship
and for a while that didn't reallyseem to be going anywhere. And then
they start to bring really bring ithome, and then what I don't know
because the way the time is,i'd have to see the timeline there.

(01:02:12):
The intro with their spaceship and everythinglike that is to me because again,
is this twenty ten. Yeah,two thousand and nine, a certain movie
came out that introduced a very verywhite spaceship with lens flare. Yeah,
control panels on the wall. It'sa little familiar. Well, it's definitely

(01:02:34):
an aesthetic, and you know whatit reminds me of is that is the
vision that I have for what controland command looks like for our audio drama,
where there's just random control panels ona very plain walled background and you
don't really know what they do,but they blink, and so it looks
futuristic that's our spaceship. But no, and I love that it's a sad

(01:02:59):
story. I mean, there's no, that's not a happy ending at all,
but that's yeah. And yet andyet I don't come away from this
feeling sad and down. Yeah,yeah, I mean maybe it's the fact
that the final thing that we seeis the sharks sligh one more time.
I don't know, as this isone of the things I can watch and

(01:03:21):
again again. I'll see new things, like that shark is in the whole
movie like episode, but you knowwhat I mean, Like if you watch
the beginning, you'll see it floatingthrough the crap clouds and certain parts of
oh really, and you'll see afit like you throughout the whole things,
just one of the things until younotice that, oh crap. I'm gonna
watch for that the next time Iwatch, because I don't think I caught
every instance. M h. That'sgreat. Yeah. Well, any final

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thoughts on series five and what you'rehoping to see in series six? Oh
gosh, I have no idea whatwe're gonna see in series six. I
mean I want some answers about RiversSong for sure. Eventually, I know
they will get there. I'll giveyou two things. Number One, you
will find out who River Song is, okay, um. Number two,

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doctor who goes to America again.First, they literally go feel in America
in Death Valley, wasn't it,And it's I forget where it is,
but it's it's a very remote placethough. They go to the deserts of
oh, okay, western US andit's not it's not star Trek with the

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you know, uh, you know. They're not at Vasquez Rocks. Oh
well, darn, that's too bad. I've been there. It's actually very
cool. Oh are they in Moabor Zion something like that? Probably those
are very popular, beautiful places togo. Lake Slidsea, that's what they

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give it as the name of theshow. Okay, all right, well
that's cool. That'll that'll be beautifullandscapes. There's a father daughter. Oh
there's a father's son do at onepoint you know, well she'll know,
she'll recognize it. Yes, yeah, yeah, actors nothing father and son
to play the same character when youoh interesting, okay, all right,

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all right, so there's some coolstuff to look forward to. I mean
yeah, in terms of story,no idea what to expect, just I
mean Moffatt has knocked it out ofthe park, improved on something that was
already going very strong. So that'ssaying a lot. And uh, I
don't think I've ever heard this whenI watched, because I'll watched this live.
But apparently Moffatt teased the season bysaying, in the first episode of

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major character dies, what Yeah,damn, your character dies like happens in
like the first ten minutes. Yeah, I don't disbelieve. I just can't
remember what it is. Oh well, okay, well that gives me incentive
to watch episode one my next opportunity, which will be in a few days.

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So all right, eighteen sixty nine, do they kill kids? I
don't remember that? Nixon? Ohoh oh oh, nuts and apollos and
yeah, yeah, I didn't rememberit. Man straight into that. Yeah,
boom oh boy. Yeah, okay, right, yeah, that's going

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to be in first ten minutes.Yeah, all right, I'm excited for
that. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, and I like the aesthetic
because Matt's hair starts to grow alittle bit longer, which is how it's
normally going to look from now on. Kids that very swirly, almost cartoon
egon alight, air from the Ghostbusters. But yeah, I think this is
his maturing. Not that anything waswrong in this first season, but yeah,

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yeah, all right, So Imean, really, is it just
gonna keep getting better from here?Is that what you're telling me? I
think so? Yeah? Yeah,I think so. Wow. You know,
damn, I have the whole seriesin my head. So I'm not
gonna say every episode it's a banger, but it certainly gets going. Okay.
I mean, I'm not saying it'sthe creepiest monster they've ever done,

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but it's going to be one ofthe creepers they've ever done. Okay,
So we're going to reach some newheights, it sounds like, and maintain
the overall really high quality that theshow has already been out for some time.
Okay, Yeah, all right,I'm here for it, yea,

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all right, and we will behere when you're ready to talk about it,
all right, Gibby about I don'tknow what how long is the season?
Eleven episodes, thirteen thirteen weeks probablysomething like that. It sounds good
and then uh yeah, Christmas specially, but anyway, okay, which is
another good one? Yeah all right? Uh yeah, it's the wardrobe.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,I like that one. We just they
just use English novels for every Christmasseries, okay, The Blind, the
Witch, and the Wardrobe for nexttime. Oh okay, oh wow,
I'll to maybe reread that beforehand,and a few decades they just take the
motifs all yeah, yeah, ohokay, maybe I can remember that much.

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I read that in sixth grade.All well, folks want to talk
to you about all the great thingsabout nine ten in the first season of
eleven? Where can they find you? Shar? You can actually reach me
in a couple of places, butthey're both on Twitter. I started a
new account called Shar writes Code,where I'm talking about my life becoming a

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website developer and I'm training in anew career and I'm learning new things all
the time, and I'm just havinga good time sharing what I'm learning and
what I'm working on and all ofthat fun stuff. But you can also
find my personal account, which isstill active. It's oh the profanity.
I'm a little more quiet on thereright now because I'm focused on content for
the other account, but you canstill reach me there. All right,

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Well until next week, which weall are you talking about some doctor Who
esque related material. Yes, we'llbe talking the first series of Staged star
David Tennant and Michael Sheen. Ifyou haven't seen it, you gotta see
it. Sure, I gotta seethis. Yeah. And then we'll also
be talking about even more, somethingmore tangential, but in the family of

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Doctor Who, and that's Sean Pertwee'sappearance on a show elementary son of the
Third Doctor. Well, until nexttime, enjoy the Doctor's many adventures throughout
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