August 31, 2024 • 28 mins
Ever since the band called UFO was formed in 1968, lead singer Phil Mogg has been a force in rock music.
Inspired by seeing artists like Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon & the Animals and more performing live in nearby Tottenham England, Phil was bitten by the rock & roll bug.
There have been over 40 UFO albums released featuring Phil with band mates that have included Pete Way, Michael Schenker, Andy Parker, Vinnie Moore, Jason Bonham and Bernie Marsden.
He has a brand new album coming out in three separate vinyl releases starting September 6th with a red vinyl version, September 13th white vinyl & September 20th featuring a 180 gram black vinyl release.
We discussed all of this and more in this episode.
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Inspired by seeing artists like Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon & the Animals and more performing live in nearby Tottenham England, Phil was bitten by the rock & roll bug.
There have been over 40 UFO albums released featuring Phil with band mates that have included Pete Way, Michael Schenker, Andy Parker, Vinnie Moore, Jason Bonham and Bernie Marsden.
He has a brand new album coming out in three separate vinyl releases starting September 6th with a red vinyl version, September 13th white vinyl & September 20th featuring a 180 gram black vinyl release.
We discussed all of this and more in this episode.
Visit Cleopatra records at the site below to get your copy of "Mogg Motel"
https://cleorecs.com/
If you like this show & would like to help me out just a little, why not buy me a coffee or two at the following site? https://buymeacoffee.com/tsolobandq
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/tommy-solo-s-famous-friends--4318572/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to Tommy Solo's Famous Friends. This is where I
get to chat with people I've connected with over the
years in the world of arts and entertainment, and today
I'm making a brand new connection with legendary singer we
all know him from the band UFO. Phil maug Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Phil Oh, Welcome afternoon, mister Tommy Sodo.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here we are. It is absolutely my pleasure and honor
to be speaking with you today. So we all know
about the legendary band UFO. I mean, god, I got
into the band back in the early seventies, but you
started this band way back in nineteen sixty eight, and
there are over forty albums that I could find. So
(01:03):
how did you actually get into singing in the first
place and what led you to UFO?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Sorry to be fickle here, wasn't it nineteen sixty nine, seventy?
I'm not sure about that, but I didn't want you
sort of digging away the years there.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, it was. It was a long time ago, long
time ago, sixty year.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
A long time ago. It's something you you know, when
you go out and you see a rock band and
you go, WHOA, I like this. It's that kind of
thing where I went out with a bunch of people
that were like four years older than me when I
was about fifteen sixteen, and they said, oh, come and
see this band, and that was you get to see
(01:46):
the Animals or Patrum was playing with John Loo and
you get to see Oh it was the High Numbers,
which was a who and then small Faces blah blah blah.
So if you get bitten, then you kind of don't
lose that enjoyment, the excitement of it all. So I'm
(02:06):
sure there's a band for everyone when you go out there.
There was a whole load of bands coming up in
that period between the late sixties, sixties through the early
sevent know, was a load of stuff. So you got excited,
you went out your book records. I've got an album
that stuff, which I'm sure quite a lot of people remember.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Editor's note. This interview was recorded over the telephone, and
as I was speaking to Phil about his early influences,
somebody else was trying to call me at the same time.
This is the only issue with telephone interviews anyway, That's
what happened, and it does sound a little bit out
of place when we get back into it. But now
you know why. Okay, back to the show, So you
(02:52):
were talking about the early years and all the influential bands.
That was really the golden era for rock and roll,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was fantastic, It was great fun. It was you know, well,
I'm sure you get that piece of excitement if you
find a band or you see a band and you've
never seen before and you they can make the hairs
and your arms go up, that's pretty good. I would say,
you know, first time hearing a Les Paul for a
(03:21):
marsh or Strap played, and so all that stuff was
very exciting, great.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Fun, no kidding. I consider myself very lucky to have
been a kid back in those days. And I have
to say when I first heard UFO phenomenon, that was
something else because you were heavy but very melodic, and
I have to say that holds true today. I was
listening to Sunnyside of Heaven before we started this call,
(03:48):
and it's still it's heavy rock, but it's very melodic,
and that is absolutely my favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, thank you, Funny enough, I've just listened to it.
Really got to remind yourself what you're up to. So
now I just look through it. I enjoy it, so
I don't mean that enough. I love this, but I
(04:23):
may not kind of enjoy it. It is good kind
of rock.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Absolutely, it's some really wonderful music. And now I know
that UFO has officially disbanded. And I mean, you had
a long ride with that band. Whether it was sixty
nine or seventy or what year it was, it was
a really long ride and some awesome music over the years.
Like I say, there's over forty albums that I could find.
Now you're releasing maug Motel with Cleopatra Records, and from
(04:51):
what I understand, they're going to be three separate vinyl releases.
I believe it's September twelfth, there will be a red
vinyl album released, and on the I think.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's the sixth, and right about the vinyl, it looks
like we're going vinyl crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, it's actually September sixth a twelve inch red album,
and then September thirteenth, twelve inch white, and then the
twentieth twelve inch one hundred and eighty gram black. So
that's interesting. There is I know, an upsurge in reinvigration
for the love of vinyl these days. Is it strictly
being released on vinyl or is it going to be
(05:28):
on other formats as well?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's on CD two. Yeah, it's on CD. And you know,
I think they're gone for the multiclored vinyl because vinyl
is quite you know, up there at the moment, which
I'm very happy about because I've just put a new
Vinyl deck and I like vinyl. Yeah, so they're doing
on CD two, I believe.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay, now the dates I have these.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When there's that new thing I've heard of schooled streaming,
I thought it was streaming at first, but then I
realized they meant streaming.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah. How the music business has changed over the years,
Boy oh boy. I mean when when you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Guys started puzzling. Yeah, there's a lot I don't know,
rather puzzling homes.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, very puzzling it is, And I can't imagine what
it would be like for new bands starting out today.
You know, there's so many artists out there that have
their stuff up on Spotify and whatnot. It's kind of
hard to dig through it. I've seen these memes where
you know, I grew up with all the best music
so on, and that's true for us. There is a
(06:43):
lot of good new music out there as well. It's
just hard to It's hard to find it, you know,
with everything that's out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah no, but if you dig around on there, you'll
find some great stuff. What was it I heard the
flaw Hurtly Brother, which I believe is an American band,
Cold black Water on you know where stuff pops up
on your YouTube thing and it's a really cool song.
(07:11):
So stuff pops up all the.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Time, absolutely, and you just have to look for it.
And I still like to watch bands live. Now, are
you touring to back up the new album?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh? We've been debating that, but hopefully what we was
going to try and do is do some sort of showcase,
old fashioned old time showcase where you go, you play
your album and do the thing. But we're looking for
some of venue to play, so a couple of kigs
will beyond the way this year and next year. We
(07:44):
was looking at maybe doing some festivals.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, that's my go to I personally as a musician.
I stopped playing bars years ago, but I love to
be there at a festival, especially family friendly events for me,
you know, to see the little kids up there dancing
and singing along. That just does it for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Me yeah, they Yeah, I used to love those was
it Bill Graham festivals? They used to do those great
festivals down on the Green Okay helicopter.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Craft Editors note.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Bill Graham was well known as a promoter in the
San Francisco Bay area during the nineteen sixties, who not
only put on the free shows in the park, but
was also associated with his productions at the Fillmore West
and East and for promoting nineteen sixties countercultures such as
Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother in the Holding Company, The Grateful Dead,
(08:34):
et cetera. Now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The used to do headiness concerts there.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's a lot of bands
that came up around the same time that, frankly couldn't
do their albums live. And that's one thing I always
appreciated about UFO. When you watch any of the live videos,
the band was always right there and you've had a
knack of fire, the right players. I mean, I was
(09:02):
heavily influenced as a guitarist by Michael Schenker, but he's
not the only one. You had Bernie Marsden in the
band for a while, and I'm curious who's in the
band now. I noticed that you've got a really good
female backup singer. Who else is in the band with
you now?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, Neil Carter who I played with since like the
eighth we played back in the eighties, but he's playing
some lead on there. But Tommy Gentry the other player,
lead player, who's actually a lead player. They kind of bounce,
I like where they bounce off one another a different styles,
(09:37):
but they can compliment one another in the same way,
you know. So Neil's got a different feel, who's got
a different feel, and Tommy can a bit like a
ground out of the track. So they work well together.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And we'll be right back after this. Yeah, that's something
that a lot of young people when they're coming up
(10:16):
in music don't understand the art of playing in a band.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Did you ever hear Dick Wagner and Michael Wat's his
name do the opening intro to Lou Reed's Live Rock
and Roll Animal. They do the duel guitar at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, do you know that one?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's live?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm sure I have. I'll have to go back and
give it another listener.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's a real it's a masterpiece in twin guitar playing.
Actually and they're American.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah. Well, the thing about I find with two guitarists
in a band, especially starting out, a lot of times
the two guys are playing the same thing, you know,
And it's not just guitar players, but if you've got
a bass player and a drummer, for example, who understand
the art of playing in a band, and you've got
two guitar players who aren't just stepping on each other's
toes and always going look at me, look at me.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know, I've actually really just thought about it, chucking
Jack Bruce and Ginger Baiko. Great, yeah, no kidding, No,
very good point.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so that's something that some people have a knack
of finding the right players and really listening to what
people are doing. And obviously you have that because I've
never seen a live video where the band wasn't just
super tight. So kudos to you. I mean, I'm assuming
that you have a lot to do with the arrangements
and so on.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh you mean the subtle arrangement. Yeah, so I'm thinking
about one doesn't once tread on too many toes. Now
we have a you know, you chat about it and
sort out the arrangement to whatever suits it's the number,
but it's a very lighthearted affair, you know, it's none
of fair vexing and stressing. So we did very well
(12:03):
on that part. People have been different situations where it's
a little bit more tense, but this was quite easy.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well that's interesting because personally as an artist myself, I've
not been able to have a band where democracy really worked.
But I found that there are some some acts out
there who everybody really gets along and the chemistry is great.
For me, I've I've had to just say, look, we're
going to play these songs like I recorded them on
(12:30):
the album, and this is the way it goes. I
envy anybody who can just have that friendship in the band.
It seems like you have.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, that's the what's it? The fickle thing to find,
especially in bands, is you know, that easy, easy flow,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, that good chemistry that's not easy to find in
a band, you know, I think for a lot of artists,
Like in my case, I grew up in a small
town in northern Ontario, Canada, and I ended up in
Toronto where I didn't know anybody, and you end up
in a band with complete strangers and I feel like
we had a similar situation to England, in the small
(13:11):
town where you played with friends, but.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There was Oh yeah, I used to like that. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, there wasn't really anything happening in the small town here,
so you ended up having to go to the big
city and just playing with strangers. What was it like?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have to ask you one thing very quickly, just
still young, to a song called there is a town
in North Ontario?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yes, yes, this helpless helpless, Yes, helpless helpless?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yes, yeah, okay, thank you for that. I was I
suddenly went as a pretty yes.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And a lot of people believe that that was my
hometown of North Bay, Ontario. I'm not really certain, but
a lot of people believe that there are certain geographical
hotspots for talent, and I believe that my hometown was
one of those. Where did you grow up in England?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
In London, just outside London, in salubrious place called Enfield?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, but it's.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Thirty minutes on the train and you can be in
dark soho.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay? And what was the musical environment like when you
were growing up around there?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well? I managed to see Eric Clapton playing with John
Miles blues band, at the Manor House Pub in Tottenham,
and I do believe he was playing Gibson Les Paul
through a Marshall but he had red Cuban heel boots on,
which were very trendy back then, the kind of people boosts,
(14:47):
but they were red. I vividly remember that, and the
tight Denham Jeans who looked great, sounded gitar sounded like
a violin. That was really good. The animals were played
and down the road at the club No route top them.
Eric Burden was giving it large. We had Terry Reid
(15:08):
Joe Cocker playing the Revolution Club down in I think
it was a fancier part of town, but they were
absolutely knockout and if you was a kid, you'd go, wow,
these floats are really good. So there was all that
stuff going on, and that's with ignoring the charts. Yeah,
it was a real explosion.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, no kidding. Now. I've spoken to at least one
artist in the past who was involved with Radio Caroline
the Pirate Radio. And I don't know a lot about
the UK other than what everybody knows about the big
British invasion and so on. But I imagine as a kid
growing up and having the BBC as your only choice
(15:52):
must have been somewhat frustrating. I guess did you experience
the Pirate Radio as a listener?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I remember that when that came out, it was that
wishing to get anywhere political. But yeah, the British broadcast
in corporation. I think at that point they thought they
owned everything, everything was under their control, and of course
they tried suppressing that kind of Unless they was in
(16:21):
control of it, you couldn't make a move. So they
set out that boat outside of territorial waters that started broadcasting,
which is really quite natty. And I remember that period
because it was where you could actually listen to rock
music was coming in until the VBC suddenly realized, oh
(16:42):
maybe we're missing a point here and things started to
change back. If it hadn't been for the offshore radio
Caroline and that, we wouldn't have broken down that bit
of getting rock on radio.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's interesting, you know that there's been so much opposition
to new music over the years, and it seems like
it's an evolutionary thing, But back in the fifties and
the sixties especially, it seemed like there was really an
iron hand going up against rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It was a strange transition from that period, but it's
kind of really interesting how things evolved from there, and
it's mostly down to people fans. It's all about the
fans to tay what goes on, and that's it. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I feel like every generation is looking for something new,
and that seems to be a natural part of evolution
to me. I'm very happy to know that artists like
yourself are still moving ahead and still being innovative. I
don't know how you do it. My take on things
is that music is the doctor and I'm always trying
to refill my prescription with it. But what keeps you
(17:51):
moving forward with the music and what keeps you coming
up with new ideas?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, I haven't got much else to do think about it.
I mean, I love my dog. The car's okay, and
the garden is fine, but it's always going to be
that little something, the itch where you want to you
want to go off and sing. Yeah, there's always going
(18:17):
to be that itch. I think for anyone you know
involved in rock, or if they've been bitten by it early,
it won't believe you. So that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You have a rock band at your funeral.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, that's true. I said that music is the doctor,
but for some people like yourself, it seems like music
is life.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, it's most pleasant. I usually play a movie soundtracks
and stuff, and the whole thing's quite therapeutic. I should
recommend it to your fans.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, everybody go out and buy a new record today,
and especially especially September six, we need to go out
and buy the new philog mag Motel Again. There's three
vinyl releases, and it's available on CD through Cleopatra Records
here in North America. Are they also distributing in the
UK for you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, that's SPV steam Hammer, Okay, And yeah, it would
appear they're doing very well. I was looking for a
sinister plan that they should appear to be doing very well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I've seen a couple of the videos and it's really
good music. That's that's all I can say. It's it's
definitely up to your standard, which is very high, I
should add, and we'll be right back after this. I
(19:56):
recently watched a video that was talking about how you
is the most underrated classic rock band of all time.
And I've got to say, folks, if you don't know
who UFO is, you've got to seriously have to check
it out. I mean, this band. I don't know how
many bands out there have got over forty albums, even
though you've been at it for so long and everyone
(20:18):
is an amazing album.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, thank you. That's I'm writing a checkout as we speak.
Make it out in a limited amount. But I'm sure
by your small meals and a coffee. No, seriously, thank you.
That sounds great.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
A small meal and a coffee. That's about what I
get from my streaming revenue. I hope yours is better
than that. But anyway, Oh, I should ask you what's
next for you?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I was thinking about doing like one of those you know,
those sort of gigs you do, sort of a cameo,
you do a gig for the album, you do the album.
I was looking for a venue where we could do
like a bit of a showcase, a good showcase, yeah
and yeah, knock out this and have a good time
(21:08):
party showcase thing.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, well, I'll be waiting for that, and hopefully it
will be recorded and posted onto YouTube as well. You know,
before we hit record earlier, we talked about a couple
of things Phil that I wanted to make sure that
we got in the interview, So if you don't mind,
just a recap on that. We talked about how you
start your demos, and you told me that you're using
an old four track cassette deck. Is that right? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah. When we actually started doing stuff, we used those
little cassette players, so it was one of those things
where you get the back track and then sing into
another one. Originally starting off because we didn't have the
facilities for recording, and then later on I've been using
that little t X four track cassette player for recordings,
(21:57):
which is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah. You know, a number of years ago I was
doing demos on a four track cassette recorder as well,
and I got really good at that. But then they
changed everything up, you know, and with the exception of
what I'm able to do with my podcast, when it
comes to digital recording, I have to go into the studio.
It's just beyond me, do you know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I bought the digital stuff and I just can't. I
don't get it. So I bought off of e by
the little tax four track and the cassette player's great,
you've got one track, you're back in. You've got three
tracks to use and punting and just for great to
stop and started.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's absolutely wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, And you know I used
to bounce three tracks down to one and that gave
me three more to work with for demos.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But now you see, you're winning advanced. To me, I
have to get someone else to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah. Well, you know, you hear people of a certain
age saying that they need to get their grandson to
show them how to use their stuff. And I think
I'm about ten or twelve years younger than you, so
maybe I'm just that much more with it through the technology.
But we both have ways to go.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's what it works for you. It's just that I
found that the cassette tapes things so easy to say, yeah,
a monkey could do it so easy that I've kind
of stuck with it. Really, it makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
There is merit and simplicity, that's for sure. Now. I
wanted to mention the band name UFO. Now I know
you're doing a solo thing now, but is it true
that the name came from a pub?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh no, there was a club. They had a club
down on Tottenham Court Road and that was called the UFO.
I even think the Floyd played there once. But we
was looking for something short and simple, kind of like who,
something you could plaster somewhere and it was easy to do,
and UFO suggested that and we said, yeah, let's go
(23:53):
for that.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, that's definitely a smart marketing move. There have have
been bands like the Quicksilver mess in Your Service, you know,
for example.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That the album.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, but a lot of people wouldn't grasp that whole name,
you know, or remember it. Didn't they change your name
just to quick Silver at a certain point.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yes, they did, Yeah, that fabulous album with who Do
You Love the Bodily stuff?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yes, really long, very sort of seventies that period.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean so UFO is definitely a simple
and easy name to remember. But I was just struck
by the fact that it wasn't just from watching space movies,
b movies whatever and grabbing the name.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That was a sensible decision.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, no kidding. So now I'm curious. You have
been in this business for so many years, it's easy
to lose count. If I were an up and coming
singer in today's world and you were to give me advice,
what would you say to me as far as getting
started as a singer?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think I'd go for the well, once you kind
of got your hype entity down without being someone else, hopefully,
I'd go for the songs. If you can write or
even get close to knocking out something of your own.
I mean, after you've done a couple of covers and
that it really should be going in a direction, you know, unless,
(25:18):
of course, you enjoy doing that and you just want
to be a thing about if you wanted to go
along that line or get some material. Really, I think
you can't really beat that. I think that's key beware
of many its very false gifts.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I've often said that, you know, I love
the music still, and I was never crazy about the
business side of the music business for that very reason.
There's so many Yeah, so how did you manage to
keep treading water and survive that murky side of the
business over the years.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We've got bitten a couple of times, but we was
extremely too trusting, and I guess we was at an
age where you go, yeah, let's do that, oh, and
everything wonderful, fine, and one day you're going to go,
what happened to that money that came in from blah
blah blah, And you'll suddenly go hang on, I haven't
(26:21):
got any money. That's the real pitfall. I mean, if
you can sidestep that one, find someone you can actually trust,
is trustworthy, you'll be a very lucky person.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I agree one hundred percent, and that is a rare commodity. Indeed. Yeah. Well,
once again, the new album is coming out very soon,
and it's going to be three separate releases. I believe
the first one is September sixth, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We have so the album September sixth, that comes out
there next week.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right, yeah, and then the second release would be September thirteenth,
and then September twentieth. And this is on.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Anything else.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah. So they've Casablanca with the pr they saw.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh sorry in America. I thought we was in Europe. Yeah,
I got chat, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah America. Do you know where your children are? Yeah?
So the new album is coming out very soon, and
I highly encourage everybody to check it out. I've seen
a couple of the videos and it's just wonderful music.
So thanks once again, Phil for taking the time out
of your day to do this with me, and I'm
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Welcome to Tommy Solo's Famous Friends. This is where I
get to chat with people I've connected with over the
years in the world of arts and entertainment, and today
I'm making a brand new connection with legendary singer we
all know him from the band UFO. Phil maug Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Phil Oh, Welcome afternoon, mister Tommy Sodo.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here we are. It is absolutely my pleasure and honor
to be speaking with you today. So we all know
about the legendary band UFO. I mean, god, I got
into the band back in the early seventies, but you
started this band way back in nineteen sixty eight, and
there are over forty albums that I could find. So
(01:03):
how did you actually get into singing in the first
place and what led you to UFO?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Sorry to be fickle here, wasn't it nineteen sixty nine, seventy?
I'm not sure about that, but I didn't want you
sort of digging away the years there.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, it was. It was a long time ago, long
time ago, sixty year.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
A long time ago. It's something you you know, when
you go out and you see a rock band and
you go, WHOA, I like this. It's that kind of
thing where I went out with a bunch of people
that were like four years older than me when I
was about fifteen sixteen, and they said, oh, come and
see this band, and that was you get to see
(01:46):
the Animals or Patrum was playing with John Loo and
you get to see Oh it was the High Numbers,
which was a who and then small Faces blah blah blah.
So if you get bitten, then you kind of don't
lose that enjoyment, the excitement of it all. So I'm
(02:06):
sure there's a band for everyone when you go out there.
There was a whole load of bands coming up in
that period between the late sixties, sixties through the early
sevent know, was a load of stuff. So you got excited,
you went out your book records. I've got an album
that stuff, which I'm sure quite a lot of people remember.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Editor's note. This interview was recorded over the telephone, and
as I was speaking to Phil about his early influences,
somebody else was trying to call me at the same time.
This is the only issue with telephone interviews anyway, That's
what happened, and it does sound a little bit out
of place when we get back into it. But now
you know why. Okay, back to the show, So you
(02:52):
were talking about the early years and all the influential bands.
That was really the golden era for rock and roll,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was fantastic, It was great fun. It was you know, well,
I'm sure you get that piece of excitement if you
find a band or you see a band and you've
never seen before and you they can make the hairs
and your arms go up, that's pretty good. I would say,
you know, first time hearing a Les Paul for a
(03:21):
marsh or Strap played, and so all that stuff was
very exciting, great.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Fun, no kidding. I consider myself very lucky to have
been a kid back in those days. And I have
to say when I first heard UFO phenomenon, that was
something else because you were heavy but very melodic, and
I have to say that holds true today. I was
listening to Sunnyside of Heaven before we started this call,
(03:48):
and it's still it's heavy rock, but it's very melodic,
and that is absolutely my favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, thank you, Funny enough, I've just listened to it.
Really got to remind yourself what you're up to. So
now I just look through it. I enjoy it, so
I don't mean that enough. I love this, but I
(04:23):
may not kind of enjoy it. It is good kind
of rock.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Absolutely, it's some really wonderful music. And now I know
that UFO has officially disbanded. And I mean, you had
a long ride with that band. Whether it was sixty
nine or seventy or what year it was, it was
a really long ride and some awesome music over the years.
Like I say, there's over forty albums that I could find.
Now you're releasing maug Motel with Cleopatra Records, and from
(04:51):
what I understand, they're going to be three separate vinyl releases.
I believe it's September twelfth, there will be a red
vinyl album released, and on the I think.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's the sixth, and right about the vinyl, it looks
like we're going vinyl crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, it's actually September sixth a twelve inch red album,
and then September thirteenth, twelve inch white, and then the
twentieth twelve inch one hundred and eighty gram black. So
that's interesting. There is I know, an upsurge in reinvigration
for the love of vinyl these days. Is it strictly
being released on vinyl or is it going to be
(05:28):
on other formats as well?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's on CD two. Yeah, it's on CD. And you know,
I think they're gone for the multiclored vinyl because vinyl
is quite you know, up there at the moment, which
I'm very happy about because I've just put a new
Vinyl deck and I like vinyl. Yeah, so they're doing
on CD two, I believe.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay, now the dates I have these.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When there's that new thing I've heard of schooled streaming,
I thought it was streaming at first, but then I
realized they meant streaming.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah. How the music business has changed over the years,
Boy oh boy. I mean when when you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Guys started puzzling. Yeah, there's a lot I don't know,
rather puzzling homes.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, very puzzling it is, And I can't imagine what
it would be like for new bands starting out today.
You know, there's so many artists out there that have
their stuff up on Spotify and whatnot. It's kind of
hard to dig through it. I've seen these memes where
you know, I grew up with all the best music
so on, and that's true for us. There is a
(06:43):
lot of good new music out there as well. It's
just hard to It's hard to find it, you know,
with everything that's out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah no, but if you dig around on there, you'll
find some great stuff. What was it I heard the
flaw Hurtly Brother, which I believe is an American band,
Cold black Water on you know where stuff pops up
on your YouTube thing and it's a really cool song.
(07:11):
So stuff pops up all the.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Time, absolutely, and you just have to look for it.
And I still like to watch bands live. Now, are
you touring to back up the new album?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh? We've been debating that, but hopefully what we was
going to try and do is do some sort of showcase,
old fashioned old time showcase where you go, you play
your album and do the thing. But we're looking for
some of venue to play, so a couple of kigs
will beyond the way this year and next year. We
(07:44):
was looking at maybe doing some festivals.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, that's my go to I personally as a musician.
I stopped playing bars years ago, but I love to
be there at a festival, especially family friendly events for me,
you know, to see the little kids up there dancing
and singing along. That just does it for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Me yeah, they Yeah, I used to love those was
it Bill Graham festivals? They used to do those great
festivals down on the Green Okay helicopter.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Craft Editors note.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Bill Graham was well known as a promoter in the
San Francisco Bay area during the nineteen sixties, who not
only put on the free shows in the park, but
was also associated with his productions at the Fillmore West
and East and for promoting nineteen sixties countercultures such as
Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother in the Holding Company, The Grateful Dead,
(08:34):
et cetera. Now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The used to do headiness concerts there.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's a lot of bands
that came up around the same time that, frankly couldn't
do their albums live. And that's one thing I always
appreciated about UFO. When you watch any of the live videos,
the band was always right there and you've had a
knack of fire, the right players. I mean, I was
(09:02):
heavily influenced as a guitarist by Michael Schenker, but he's
not the only one. You had Bernie Marsden in the
band for a while, and I'm curious who's in the
band now. I noticed that you've got a really good
female backup singer. Who else is in the band with
you now?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, Neil Carter who I played with since like the
eighth we played back in the eighties, but he's playing
some lead on there. But Tommy Gentry the other player,
lead player, who's actually a lead player. They kind of bounce,
I like where they bounce off one another a different styles,
(09:37):
but they can compliment one another in the same way,
you know. So Neil's got a different feel, who's got
a different feel, and Tommy can a bit like a
ground out of the track. So they work well together.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And we'll be right back after this. Yeah, that's something
that a lot of young people when they're coming up
(10:16):
in music don't understand the art of playing in a band.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Did you ever hear Dick Wagner and Michael Wat's his
name do the opening intro to Lou Reed's Live Rock
and Roll Animal. They do the duel guitar at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, do you know that one?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's live?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm sure I have. I'll have to go back and
give it another listener.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's a real it's a masterpiece in twin guitar playing.
Actually and they're American.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah. Well, the thing about I find with two guitarists
in a band, especially starting out, a lot of times
the two guys are playing the same thing, you know,
And it's not just guitar players, but if you've got
a bass player and a drummer, for example, who understand
the art of playing in a band, and you've got
two guitar players who aren't just stepping on each other's
toes and always going look at me, look at me.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know, I've actually really just thought about it, chucking
Jack Bruce and Ginger Baiko. Great, yeah, no kidding, No,
very good point.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so that's something that some people have a knack
of finding the right players and really listening to what
people are doing. And obviously you have that because I've
never seen a live video where the band wasn't just
super tight. So kudos to you. I mean, I'm assuming
that you have a lot to do with the arrangements
and so on.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh you mean the subtle arrangement. Yeah, so I'm thinking
about one doesn't once tread on too many toes. Now
we have a you know, you chat about it and
sort out the arrangement to whatever suits it's the number,
but it's a very lighthearted affair, you know, it's none
of fair vexing and stressing. So we did very well
(12:03):
on that part. People have been different situations where it's
a little bit more tense, but this was quite easy.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well that's interesting because personally as an artist myself, I've
not been able to have a band where democracy really worked.
But I found that there are some some acts out
there who everybody really gets along and the chemistry is great.
For me, I've I've had to just say, look, we're
going to play these songs like I recorded them on
(12:30):
the album, and this is the way it goes. I
envy anybody who can just have that friendship in the band.
It seems like you have.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, that's the what's it? The fickle thing to find,
especially in bands, is you know, that easy, easy flow,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, that good chemistry that's not easy to find in
a band, you know, I think for a lot of artists,
Like in my case, I grew up in a small
town in northern Ontario, Canada, and I ended up in
Toronto where I didn't know anybody, and you end up
in a band with complete strangers and I feel like
we had a similar situation to England, in the small
(13:11):
town where you played with friends, but.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There was Oh yeah, I used to like that. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, there wasn't really anything happening in the small town here,
so you ended up having to go to the big
city and just playing with strangers. What was it like?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have to ask you one thing very quickly, just
still young, to a song called there is a town
in North Ontario?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yes, yes, this helpless helpless, Yes, helpless helpless?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yes, yeah, okay, thank you for that. I was I
suddenly went as a pretty yes.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And a lot of people believe that that was my
hometown of North Bay, Ontario. I'm not really certain, but
a lot of people believe that there are certain geographical
hotspots for talent, and I believe that my hometown was
one of those. Where did you grow up in England?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
In London, just outside London, in salubrious place called Enfield?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, but it's.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Thirty minutes on the train and you can be in
dark soho.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay? And what was the musical environment like when you
were growing up around there?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well? I managed to see Eric Clapton playing with John
Miles blues band, at the Manor House Pub in Tottenham,
and I do believe he was playing Gibson Les Paul
through a Marshall but he had red Cuban heel boots on,
which were very trendy back then, the kind of people boosts,
(14:47):
but they were red. I vividly remember that, and the
tight Denham Jeans who looked great, sounded gitar sounded like
a violin. That was really good. The animals were played
and down the road at the club No route top them.
Eric Burden was giving it large. We had Terry Reid
(15:08):
Joe Cocker playing the Revolution Club down in I think
it was a fancier part of town, but they were
absolutely knockout and if you was a kid, you'd go, wow,
these floats are really good. So there was all that
stuff going on, and that's with ignoring the charts. Yeah,
it was a real explosion.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, no kidding. Now. I've spoken to at least one
artist in the past who was involved with Radio Caroline
the Pirate Radio. And I don't know a lot about
the UK other than what everybody knows about the big
British invasion and so on. But I imagine as a kid
growing up and having the BBC as your only choice
(15:52):
must have been somewhat frustrating. I guess did you experience
the Pirate Radio as a listener?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I remember that when that came out, it was that
wishing to get anywhere political. But yeah, the British broadcast
in corporation. I think at that point they thought they
owned everything, everything was under their control, and of course
they tried suppressing that kind of Unless they was in
(16:21):
control of it, you couldn't make a move. So they
set out that boat outside of territorial waters that started broadcasting,
which is really quite natty. And I remember that period
because it was where you could actually listen to rock
music was coming in until the VBC suddenly realized, oh
(16:42):
maybe we're missing a point here and things started to
change back. If it hadn't been for the offshore radio
Caroline and that, we wouldn't have broken down that bit
of getting rock on radio.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's interesting, you know that there's been so much opposition
to new music over the years, and it seems like
it's an evolutionary thing, But back in the fifties and
the sixties especially, it seemed like there was really an
iron hand going up against rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It was a strange transition from that period, but it's
kind of really interesting how things evolved from there, and
it's mostly down to people fans. It's all about the
fans to tay what goes on, and that's it. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I feel like every generation is looking for something new,
and that seems to be a natural part of evolution
to me. I'm very happy to know that artists like
yourself are still moving ahead and still being innovative. I
don't know how you do it. My take on things
is that music is the doctor and I'm always trying
to refill my prescription with it. But what keeps you
(17:51):
moving forward with the music and what keeps you coming
up with new ideas?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, I haven't got much else to do think about it.
I mean, I love my dog. The car's okay, and
the garden is fine, but it's always going to be
that little something, the itch where you want to you
want to go off and sing. Yeah, there's always going
(18:17):
to be that itch. I think for anyone you know
involved in rock, or if they've been bitten by it early,
it won't believe you. So that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You have a rock band at your funeral.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, that's true. I said that music is the doctor,
but for some people like yourself, it seems like music
is life.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, it's most pleasant. I usually play a movie soundtracks
and stuff, and the whole thing's quite therapeutic. I should
recommend it to your fans.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, everybody go out and buy a new record today,
and especially especially September six, we need to go out
and buy the new philog mag Motel Again. There's three
vinyl releases, and it's available on CD through Cleopatra Records
here in North America. Are they also distributing in the
UK for you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, that's SPV steam Hammer, Okay, And yeah, it would
appear they're doing very well. I was looking for a
sinister plan that they should appear to be doing very well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I've seen a couple of the videos and it's really
good music. That's that's all I can say. It's it's
definitely up to your standard, which is very high, I
should add, and we'll be right back after this. I
(19:56):
recently watched a video that was talking about how you
is the most underrated classic rock band of all time.
And I've got to say, folks, if you don't know
who UFO is, you've got to seriously have to check
it out. I mean, this band. I don't know how
many bands out there have got over forty albums, even
though you've been at it for so long and everyone
(20:18):
is an amazing album.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, thank you. That's I'm writing a checkout as we speak.
Make it out in a limited amount. But I'm sure
by your small meals and a coffee. No, seriously, thank you.
That sounds great.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
A small meal and a coffee. That's about what I
get from my streaming revenue. I hope yours is better
than that. But anyway, Oh, I should ask you what's
next for you?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I was thinking about doing like one of those you know,
those sort of gigs you do, sort of a cameo,
you do a gig for the album, you do the album.
I was looking for a venue where we could do
like a bit of a showcase, a good showcase, yeah
and yeah, knock out this and have a good time
(21:08):
party showcase thing.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, well, I'll be waiting for that, and hopefully it
will be recorded and posted onto YouTube as well. You know,
before we hit record earlier, we talked about a couple
of things Phil that I wanted to make sure that
we got in the interview, So if you don't mind,
just a recap on that. We talked about how you
start your demos, and you told me that you're using
an old four track cassette deck. Is that right? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah. When we actually started doing stuff, we used those
little cassette players, so it was one of those things
where you get the back track and then sing into
another one. Originally starting off because we didn't have the
facilities for recording, and then later on I've been using
that little t X four track cassette player for recordings,
(21:57):
which is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah. You know, a number of years ago I was
doing demos on a four track cassette recorder as well,
and I got really good at that. But then they
changed everything up, you know, and with the exception of
what I'm able to do with my podcast, when it
comes to digital recording, I have to go into the studio.
It's just beyond me, do you know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I bought the digital stuff and I just can't. I
don't get it. So I bought off of e by
the little tax four track and the cassette player's great,
you've got one track, you're back in. You've got three
tracks to use and punting and just for great to
stop and started.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's absolutely wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, And you know I used
to bounce three tracks down to one and that gave
me three more to work with for demos.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But now you see, you're winning advanced. To me, I
have to get someone else to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah. Well, you know, you hear people of a certain
age saying that they need to get their grandson to
show them how to use their stuff. And I think
I'm about ten or twelve years younger than you, so
maybe I'm just that much more with it through the technology.
But we both have ways to go.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's what it works for you. It's just that I
found that the cassette tapes things so easy to say, yeah,
a monkey could do it so easy that I've kind
of stuck with it. Really, it makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
There is merit and simplicity, that's for sure. Now. I
wanted to mention the band name UFO. Now I know
you're doing a solo thing now, but is it true
that the name came from a pub?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh no, there was a club. They had a club
down on Tottenham Court Road and that was called the UFO.
I even think the Floyd played there once. But we
was looking for something short and simple, kind of like who,
something you could plaster somewhere and it was easy to do,
and UFO suggested that and we said, yeah, let's go
(23:53):
for that.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, that's definitely a smart marketing move. There have have
been bands like the Quicksilver mess in Your Service, you know,
for example.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That the album.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, but a lot of people wouldn't grasp that whole name,
you know, or remember it. Didn't they change your name
just to quick Silver at a certain point.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yes, they did, Yeah, that fabulous album with who Do
You Love the Bodily stuff?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yes, really long, very sort of seventies that period.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean so UFO is definitely a simple
and easy name to remember. But I was just struck
by the fact that it wasn't just from watching space movies,
b movies whatever and grabbing the name.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That was a sensible decision.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, no kidding. So now I'm curious. You have
been in this business for so many years, it's easy
to lose count. If I were an up and coming
singer in today's world and you were to give me advice,
what would you say to me as far as getting
started as a singer?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think I'd go for the well, once you kind
of got your hype entity down without being someone else, hopefully,
I'd go for the songs. If you can write or
even get close to knocking out something of your own.
I mean, after you've done a couple of covers and
that it really should be going in a direction, you know, unless,
(25:18):
of course, you enjoy doing that and you just want
to be a thing about if you wanted to go
along that line or get some material. Really, I think
you can't really beat that. I think that's key beware
of many its very false gifts.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I've often said that, you know, I love
the music still, and I was never crazy about the
business side of the music business for that very reason.
There's so many Yeah, so how did you manage to
keep treading water and survive that murky side of the
business over the years.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We've got bitten a couple of times, but we was
extremely too trusting, and I guess we was at an
age where you go, yeah, let's do that, oh, and
everything wonderful, fine, and one day you're going to go,
what happened to that money that came in from blah
blah blah, And you'll suddenly go hang on, I haven't
(26:21):
got any money. That's the real pitfall. I mean, if
you can sidestep that one, find someone you can actually trust,
is trustworthy, you'll be a very lucky person.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I agree one hundred percent, and that is a rare commodity. Indeed. Yeah. Well,
once again, the new album is coming out very soon,
and it's going to be three separate releases. I believe
the first one is September sixth, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We have so the album September sixth, that comes out
there next week.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right, yeah, and then the second release would be September thirteenth,
and then September twentieth. And this is on.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Anything else.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah. So they've Casablanca with the pr they saw.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh sorry in America. I thought we was in Europe. Yeah,
I got chat, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah America. Do you know where your children are? Yeah?
So the new album is coming out very soon, and
I highly encourage everybody to check it out. I've seen
a couple of the videos and it's just wonderful music.
So thanks once again, Phil for taking the time out
of your day to do this with me, and I'm
so so glad we could do this. Until next time,
my friend, cheers, thank you. Tommy Solo's Famous Friends is
(27:38):
a one man production, meaning that I've done all the work,
including recording, editing, guest acquisition, et cetera. And check out
the articles based on my interviews at five to one
nine magazine. That's five to one nine magazine dot com.
The theme song for Tommy Solo's Famous Friends is a
clip from my original composition The Burn. All right, if
(28:01):
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Speaker 3 (28:09):
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Speaker 1 (28:40):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.