September 19, 2024 • 31 mins
In this explosive episode of Too Posh Podcast, we welcome renowned publicist, record producer, and entrepreneur Jonathan Hay, who joins us from Brooklyn, New York, to finally set the record straight about the infamous Rihanna and Jay Z scandal that changed the trajectory of pop culture. Hay opens up about his involvement in a marketing ploy that helped launch Rihanna's career by fabricating rumors of a love triangle between Jay Z, Beyoncé, and the then-unknown Rihanna. He also shares his journey through the early stages of her career, when, despite a small $200 budget, his efforts led to global success for the young artist.
Jonathan dives into his recent resurgence in the spotlight, sparked by a viral documentary from Trap Lore Ross, which reignited this controversial story after over 20 years. He discusses how the scandal has resurfaced across TikTok and YouTube, involving public figures like Jaguar Wright, who has also commented on the situation. With fresh speculation brewing, Hay confronts the controversy head-on, revealing why he’s no longer willing to fall on the sword for what happened.
As the conversation deepens, Jonathan also touches on the larger web of the music industry’s scandals, including the troubling connections between Jay Z, P Diddy—currently under investigation for trafficking—and convicted abuser R Kelly. He sheds light on Jay Z’s past affiliations with Harvey Weinstein and what these associations mean today, especially in the wake of P Diddy's rumored imminent arrest.
Additionally, Hay gives a raw and emotional account of his personal trauma, including a life-altering home invasion, his relationship with his birth mother, and the inspiration behind his forthcoming book, How a Stripper Saved My Life. This episode takes listeners behind the scenes of music industry secrets, viral fame, and the dark undercurrents of the celebrity world. With shocking revelations and candid stories, you won’t want to miss this groundbreaking interview that could change the way we view some of the biggest names in entertainment.
Tune in for this must-hear episode and discover the truth behind the headlines that rocked the industry and continue to stir controversy today.
#TooPoshPodcast #JonathanHay #RihannaScandal #JayZ #PDiddy #TrapLoreRoss #JaguarWright #MusicIndustry #ViralInterview #PonDeReplay #PRScandal #JayZAffair #BeyonceLemonade #CelebrityDrama #HarveyWeinstein #RKelly
Jonathan dives into his recent resurgence in the spotlight, sparked by a viral documentary from Trap Lore Ross, which reignited this controversial story after over 20 years. He discusses how the scandal has resurfaced across TikTok and YouTube, involving public figures like Jaguar Wright, who has also commented on the situation. With fresh speculation brewing, Hay confronts the controversy head-on, revealing why he’s no longer willing to fall on the sword for what happened.
As the conversation deepens, Jonathan also touches on the larger web of the music industry’s scandals, including the troubling connections between Jay Z, P Diddy—currently under investigation for trafficking—and convicted abuser R Kelly. He sheds light on Jay Z’s past affiliations with Harvey Weinstein and what these associations mean today, especially in the wake of P Diddy's rumored imminent arrest.
Additionally, Hay gives a raw and emotional account of his personal trauma, including a life-altering home invasion, his relationship with his birth mother, and the inspiration behind his forthcoming book, How a Stripper Saved My Life. This episode takes listeners behind the scenes of music industry secrets, viral fame, and the dark undercurrents of the celebrity world. With shocking revelations and candid stories, you won’t want to miss this groundbreaking interview that could change the way we view some of the biggest names in entertainment.
Tune in for this must-hear episode and discover the truth behind the headlines that rocked the industry and continue to stir controversy today.
#TooPoshPodcast #JonathanHay #RihannaScandal #JayZ #PDiddy #TrapLoreRoss #JaguarWright #MusicIndustry #ViralInterview #PonDeReplay #PRScandal #JayZAffair #BeyonceLemonade #CelebrityDrama #HarveyWeinstein #RKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Gabrielle. I'm a former New York Mafia princess
originally from Austria. I am the mother of three and
the owner of Tupash Boutique, and here with my beautiful
co host Masella, my daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, I'm Marcella. I'm a dancer, choreographer, model and designer
for Tupash and I say whatever the I want.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
My name is Cruz. I am a stylist. I also
own the Society Salon in the Design District. And I
am a short, little Mexican with a big personality.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What will they say next? Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, a big hello to our wonderful listeners, and we
have a truly exciting episode of the Tupash Podcast today
with our friend Jonathan Hey, a publicist and record producer
and entrepreneur and full of unbelievable knowledge and stories that
he's going to share today right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, for sure? From Where are you from New York?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, I am actually originally from Austria, but I lived
in Howard Beach, Real. What do you Where are you at?
Are you in Brooklyn? My ex was born Masell and
Gino's dad is from Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. He was
(01:35):
in the New York Mafia. Like really yeah, he lived
right down the street from God he like where Gotti's
son got killed. You know that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
On the bike.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah yeah really, yep, really.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, Okay, some some people that we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I I want it to like just really highlight your
career and all that you have accomplished, because it is
an unbelievable with what you have going on and it
all Did it all start with Rihanna's song?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No, it started, No, it started before that. It started
in Loysville, Kentucky with the rock group called Days of
the New and we signed an enterscope. We had a massive,
like hit record and it was number one on Billboard
for seventeen weeks. So once that took off, then and
(02:34):
we did like everything wrong. You know, we did major
tours and you know, we didn't know anything that we
were doing, so you know, we screwed that up. But
then after that, you know, I started working for Whitney
Houston's father company, John Houston Entertainment, And it was John
Houston Entertainment that introduced me to the Rihanna project through
(02:55):
her producer.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh wow, So we play a little bit of that
song real quick, so people know what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I feel like everyone should know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I know, but oh you could sing it.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I'm not singer.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Everybody knows this emple red don't want to do to
music wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Some moments you don't want to music.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Want wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Some moments don't want to us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So tell us a little bit, like what what happened
with this whole thing? So you you were the the publicists.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Correct, yes, for the song. For the song. She was
an unknown artist, and so I was working for the producers, right,
So I like wrote her like, you know, first press
release and good like our first pitches, you know how
to press. And you know, we weren't getting a good
response at all for media, you know. And that was
(04:07):
two thousand and four. There's no social media, right, Like
my Space is like starting to become king, you know.
So uh yeah, oh no, I love my Space. But anyways,
she became like nobody was picking her up and so
(04:30):
uh and we all felt like it was a good song.
She was she was, like I said, she wasn't even
known at.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The time, you know, who found her. How did how
does that work? Like, I'm so interested in that. So
it's an unknown artist.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, so the producers found Aaron Barbados what and you know,
and then they brought her over to New York, you know,
to sing for the for the label.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And how old was she?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
She was sixteen? Okay, So there's that there's that kind
of weirdness.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's been tell us a little going.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
On coming lately, you know, I've been doing this. It's
like it's weird. So in twenty fifteen, let me show you.
I've got an example of this book right here. Can
you see it? Yeah, So it's a it's a real
like thick book. He Coming Beyond say, came out in
(05:30):
twenty fifteen, and I was in the book right for
like the author like he's like a best selling he's
a New York Times bestselling author, has done a lot
of profile pieces on stuff, and he like aired me out,
like got everything like what we did for the PR
stunts and put it included in the book. Then he
(05:50):
went on Wendy Williams and all this is like on
my Twitter. So I've like retweeted some of it where
he's on Wendy Williams, you know, talking about it and
talking about the publicity, not what we did. I ended
up going to an inside edition apologizing, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
YadA, Can you tell us what you did?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Hold on a second? That was in two That was
in twenty fifteen, and then it comes back out every
few years. But this time, you know, came out through
this documentary for trapl or Ross and it was live
stream by academics. It was like a real big streamer.
He's like, no, just like three weeks ago, and so
(06:29):
it started the It started the whole thing again. So
everybody's fascinated. So we went viral on YouTube and TikTok
with talking about this whole thing again. But this time,
I'm like not falling on the sword. This time, I'm
not like, you know, because I've like taken a beating
for almost twenty years for this thing. You know that
(06:51):
I wasn't I wasn't alone in this marketing angle, if
you know what I mean. Marketing employee marketing ploy for
an unknown artists who at the time that came out
was seventeen. She turned seventeen, so when the song came out,
she was seventeen, So what was the ploy so the
(07:14):
ploy was it's embarrassing but no. But the employ was
because nothing was working right, And I sent a pitch
to Jennifer Vineyard. She was at MTV News and she's like,
you know, getting it on MTV News was a big
thing back then. You know, you didn't have all the blogs,
(07:35):
you didn't have you know, all these things. MTV News
was a game changer. And so Jennifer Vineyard came back.
She was like, if we can get a quote from
jay Z, then we will put it on MTV News.
I was like, yes, definitely, we'll send you a quote tomorrow,
hopefully later on today. So then I'm texting jay Z
on his two way. Everybody the producers are texting jay
(07:57):
Z and he wouldn't even answer. I see, like complete
stone walls. So we didn't get a quote, We didn't
get anything. She ended up running the story anyways, right,
he still wouldn't help because he was like trying to sign.
He was more focused on his artist named Tierra Marie.
Plus he had just came into depth jam, so he
was like getting his uh you know, feet wet as
(08:18):
far as the corporate world because he's just been a
rapper for so long. So you know, understand it now.
But then you know, we were really angry because he
could have really helped us and didn't. And then of
course once she blows up, you know, then he's all
about it. You know. Then he's doing collaborations with their songs,
with and everything else.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So did you Chasey personally when you tried to do that?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So he wasn't as big. You got to think, this
is two thousand and five, right, he was. He wasn't
married to Beyonce, they didn't have children. He was a rapper,
you know. It was nothing like now, right, He's nothing
like the royalty that he is now. And so I
didn't know him from working with this artist named A
Mill who was signed to him a M I L.
(09:01):
And I did have direct contact with him because of
A Mill was one of his artists. So I did
have direct contact with him. Don't anymore that's changed. I
wish I did, you know. But uh so, once he like,
you know, completely like shunned us, and you know, we
had like no money for the record. You know, she
(09:23):
had like a two hundred dollars marketing budget from like
the producers because she's an unknown artist, you know, right,
So that's when it's like, okay, you know what we're
gonna We're going to make him pay attention to us.
We're going to get his attention. So we went to
the National Choir, which was the popular thing at the time.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
That I was.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
National Examiner, and we linked the news and they, you know,
they took it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
What was the news that he was having an affair
with his fiance beance with a new artist Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh, he was engage h to Beyonce at the time,
and he said he was having an affair with.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, there was a love triangle.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But it wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We did well. I mean listen, I don't know. People
people talked about it. People talked about he did with
all the women. You know, he was a rapper.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yeah, that's not surprising.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I feel even if it was made up, it happened anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right, was it was spoken to existence?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So, I mean I don't know, you know, and then
all of a sudden, the song took off, you know,
went crazy, blew up, went the radio, and that launched
your career. So just like when we think it's over
and we're like, you know, fuck yeah, that worked outside
of consuming we got pulled over by And that's what
I brought out in this last information that people were
(10:52):
talking about, is we got pulled over by you know,
like flagged to pull over by unmarked cars what unmarked
like you know you could tell they were law enforcement.
But of course me and my guy, we were like
freaking out. You know, we had no idea what it
was about. You know, we thought it was about weeds.
So we're like eating the weed and swallowing it and
(11:13):
you know, like stuff like that. It wasn't you know,
it wasn't legal back then, so we were just like
so parano. Anyways, we go to this like dodgy like
building outside of the Cassini Library and they're talking to
us and they're like, you know why, you know, can
you tell us about this relationship. We're like, no, it
(11:34):
wasn't a relationship. You know. He was like, do you
know about you know a mill? Do you know about
you know, Tierra Marie? Do you know about Lady Solvering.
He's naming all these other underage you know girls, Little Kim,
you know, he mentioned her, Foxy Brown, you know, like
all these people. You know. So we're like, no, we
(11:57):
don't know anything about that. So they were investigating him
because he had just stabbed He was on probation because
he had stabbed Lance Amrivera, and he was on tour
with R. Kelly and R Kelly They've gotten to this
legal stuff. Well you can google all this. So he
was like, you know, a task force was watching him,
(12:21):
and that's what they used They used to do that
with the rappers back in the day. They all used
to have like these task force against these big rappers
and they'd always get caught with like drugs and guns
and like stupid stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, but with the energy that they're saying and the
gangster rap, like, I mean, it makes sense. You know,
they're like saying that they're doing all these crimes and
all this other stuff. Wh wouldn't they have, you know,
a task force on them. But anyways, it was it
was really really freaky. It was really scary, and you know,
nothing happened.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So did you say that JAYZ stabbed somebody and he
was on probation.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, this guy named Lance Revera, you can look it up.
He's came out and retracted it and said that he
was jay Z didn't stab him. But jay Z like
pled like guilty to like the misdemeanor. You know, it's
all it's all online. You can you can read it.
It's like a big deal. So he had like this,
you know, a bit of a rap sheet right right.
(13:19):
You know, he's from the projects. He's from Marcy's projects
in Brooklyn. You know, so it's not like, you know,
he's like kind of like dougged out at the time,
you know. And then here we are putting out this
rumor about this seventeen year old that he's bringing overseas.
It wasn't it wasn't a good look, but they said
that it was true. So it was it was very strange.
(13:39):
We didn't think anything of it. But then, like when
I started to think about it, like since the documentary
came out, I started to think, well, you know, he's
partners with R Kelly, Like they've done two joint albums together,
They've done over thirty songs together. R Kelly is in
federal prison. You know, he's partners with Diddy. Diddy's under
(14:04):
investigation for trafficking. He was signed to Harvey Weinstein, like
you know, we know, we all know about Harvey Weinstein.
Like jay Z was son to him. You can look
all this up. It's like, doesn't even need like the
alleged tag on it. You know, he was signed to
Harvey Weinstein. So when you think about a guy who
signed to Harvey Weinstein and who's good friends with Diddy
(14:27):
and R Kelly, But that's weird, well, I mean weird.
That's three things that are weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's very weird. I mean, Jago Wright is saying that
he is the next one that's going down, and don't
didn't she mention you that something? I don't really exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Nobody, Yes she did. She did, But then she got
like mad because I did an interview on this and
you know, she started like, you know, like this some
me on a video. So why I don't know, I
don't know. It's weird. So I started like this in
her onear thing. So then I did this interview last
(15:04):
night and just they're like, oh, you don't want to this, heir.
I'm like okay, So yeah, a lot of people are
scared of her, A.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Lot of scared of her. She's talking so much.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No, just like scared of her, Like she's like the
big bad wolf. She's like scary jaguar. Right.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Oh, why.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Oh have you known her like in person?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No, I don't know, okay, Oh, I just know that
she was talking about the rumor, you know with me,
and then she said, we like plagiarized some of her
story in this interview because they were like, she's the
one who came out and said Diddy was doing two
C and Kennymine.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
She said a lot of things, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, somebody was like no, like it was like a
two hour interview. It was pretty you know, I was
on one and I just I was probably doing I
was probably doing Kennemine. I'm just kidding, but you know,
it's good for mental health. And so I was just
I was like talkingive and it went viral. You know,
it's on TikTok and everything else. It's crazy. So that's
(16:10):
where we're at, you know today.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So you said you're going to tell everything. So what
else you got?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know. But anyway, and then Thursday, I'm flying
to Fort Lauderday to do tasik. So it's like all
these things they're like happening, you know for this as
far as like to tell all stuff, I've just been
you know, like talking these you know, this thing has been,
you know, happening fast. You know. So I've just been
kind of explaining the situation.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What is you know, I wanted to come from this.
Are people getting arrested.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I mean it seems like Diddy's gonna get arrested, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That's that is what it seems like. And then jay
Z just had his white party or who had a
white party? That was just happened, right, I don't know,
but I saw that all over TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
They're always having those.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Oh oh oh, and weird things happen.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Weird things happen, the freak offs.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, and what happens there? Have you been there? Like
can you talk about no?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, no, have you guys?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
No, he'll you imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I can tell you he's been to one.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
A lot of parties.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Maybe not a Diddy party, but.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So the freaking os.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I mean, I see it all over TikTok. Is it
I mean, is it true?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You think it seems to be pretty true? Right?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of truth to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
When you see him getting rated, Yeah, with that many people,
it's like hard to get like a you know, grand
Jerry to sign off on that you know, press charges
or whatever. You know, it's good search warrants all that,
so there had to be some substantial Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
So are Kelly's in jail? And then is jay Z
gonna go to jail? I mean they all should?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I mean, did you jay Z? This all just it
goes down the same path, but they're all involved with
each other. I'm sure it's all the same.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Wellh I know, it's what it seems, right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It seems that waye for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Mm hmm. Are Kelly's in jail right, he's in federal prison.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, so are you still producing? Are you not?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Really?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Because has the industry changed a lot? It's changed too much,
too much, Like in one way with.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Like AI AI is taking over everything.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's amazing too. It's like like the songs that can
be made so fast, Like when the kinder Kelmar you know,
Drake Beef was happening, they were putting out country versions
and all these versions from AA that were just amazing.
And that's why it's like, Okay, the music industry.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Is Wow, that's really crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
A lot.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think songs aren't just valued. There's no value of
music anymore.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Sad you know, because it can be recorded so easy.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I remember, like fifteen years ago I met my hero,
Chuck de Public Enemy, he's the lead rapper, and I
was like so fanned out, and he was like, it
used to be such a big deal to go into
the recording studio. It was like it meant something, and
he said, then nowadays you roll out of your bed
and you're in the studio. Right now, it's fifteen years ago.
(19:34):
Now it's like people are recording stuff on their phone
that is going to radio and you know AI.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's crazy, you know, that is very crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean what about these new artists like I know
several like young sixteen year old girls that just still
is so talented having like doing country music or whatever.
What advice would you give them to? I mean, they're
not using AI, They're really using their own voice. What
do you do now?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well, I mean, you know they should keep There's always
going to be a there's always going to be a
place for you know, the talented ones and stuff like that.
You know. But just as far as like producing, I
think you have to be I think you have to
be working with like AI and the programs, you know,
those those are the next music producers. Who's ever mastering that?
(20:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Are the are the AI specialists?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You don't want to go to no.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I'm over. I was doing jazz music for a while, right,
I was doing house music, and it was just because
like trauma.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I've been through some like you know, some weird ship.
And so I started producing jazz music and we hit
number one on Billboard with that stuff cogulations, Thank you.
I did really well and uh it led to some
really cool parties and some cool people and uh, but
(21:06):
it's like, no, I'm done with that. So I wrote
a book that's kind of how this thing came out,
you know, And then it's like, oh, that's what it is.
He has a book?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What book?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's a plot, but it's not because the documentary came out.
I didn't know it's coming out, right, So then once
it came out, I spoke on it.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
It's like, oh, by the way, which documentary.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Trapler Ross documentary about z?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh it's about and did in that documentary? Did there's
more come out of the death of jay Z's mistress? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was you have to watch it?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I know I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
You have a good document.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, apparently like her.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well then they said it Beyonce saying about it and
her women, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah. So it's just it's just some you know, some
very you know, weird stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Are you happy to be away from all that?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm getting in on it on a different side, you know, yeah,
but yeah, from like the music production, being in the
studio with artists, you know, because I like hate people.
It seems like, you know, so like working with all
the different artists and all the different egos and trying
to get everybody alone. You know, people who had egos
didn't even need to have egos. It's like, you can't
(22:34):
have an ego when you haven't even sold a record, right,
do you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, So it's
just like it was just annoying.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So what book did you write?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So? I wrote this book in like February, okay, and
then I finished it like over a month. I've been
talking about doing it forever. And it's like a scandalous
toll revealing all these things like but the j stuff
and you know, Drake stuff and YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What is it called? So?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
How do we promote your book?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, we'll promote it is yet no oh oh my boss.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Okay, no, no, no, no, we'll promote it. But it's
called How a Stripper Saved My life.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Saved my life.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I had a love that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Can you explain.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That a little bit? Yeah, So I was adopted, right, okay.
And my mother, my birth mother was a dancer, okay,
And like throughout the pregnancy she was a dancer. Even
when she got bigger, she used to dance for this
this company called Tons of Fun.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
So that's that's what she did.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I'm a child of tons of Fun, tons of fun,
tons of fun exactly sex work anyway. So, like I said,
I went through this real severe like trauma, and I
went to New York while we were having like the
number one we had the number one album, and we
were in the studio. We're all celebrating, and I go
(24:13):
next door to this strip club, literally like right next
door to the recording studio. And I went in and
I met this dancer, and you know, it completely changed
my life. Like I was really struggling before then, Like
I was like I was like in a home invasion.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I was going to ask you about that, what happened there?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I mean me, I was coming out home and I
was pistol wolfed and duct taped and held for like
two hours. And three people, Yeah, three people went to prison.
They played guilty. Wow, you can see it like on
the news and stuff like. That was very it was
very traumatic.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
How long ago was that?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Imagine it was April twentieth, of all days, April twenty seventeen. Wow,
So everybody went to prison, and it was like completely
changed my life. It's like I got fully tatted up,
I grew my hair out. I was like I'm gonna
do jazz music, you know, and just totally like went
(25:16):
on one. So then when we went number one, I
went over to the strip club and I met her
and we like hit it off, you know. Obviously that's
what all guys thinks for hitting it up. And I'm paying,
I'm a client, you know, but let's keep it real,
you know. But anyways, so we get like a private room.
(25:36):
It's like amazing, you know. And then she comes back
to like the hotel and she stays he like the weekend,
and then she ended up coming to Louisville, and then
we ended up together for hoween for three years?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
You're not together now not together.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Now what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Pandemic? She was in London and the borders were closed.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Oh is she still in London?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Do you miss her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I shouldn't say you talk to her? No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
No, but I mean it was great. But I mean,
like I said, she introduced me to like house.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Music, into like you know, we love house music.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Acatamene and d MT and all these things that really
helped the trauma from the house invasion and elucinigenics. And
I wasn't doing any of that stuff. And then I'll,
you know, once I did that, it was very free.
So it's like, you know, I should saved my life.
And then you know, she had some great ideas for
great projects, and you know, she just completely you know,
(26:43):
she saved my life.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
That I feel. It's yeah, it's of your mind, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah. So it's about my mother and then it's about her,
you know, and then coming together drawing a line because
my mother was a dance her and then you know,
my ex was a was an.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Answer, so you were you were adopted? Correct?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And then you found your birth mom. Is that how
you found out that she was a stripper?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
She told me, Oh she told you yeah, oh interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, I was like that's cool, you know. But like
when I met her, it was like whack because she
was you know, sixty seventy and she had been through
like a really rough life. So she had like one eye,
she had like she had like one foot, and she
was on dialysis, you know, because she had this medical
(27:38):
procedure to go wrong. So I was just like what
she was in this old rundown trailer outside of Cleveland, Ohio,
and astrabula looked like something from Stephen King.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And I didn't know her, right right.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's the thing that I wish I could go back
and tell, like, you know, like there is something I
would like if adopted kid were to see this. It's
like DNA is so overrated because my whole life, I thought,
you know, if I met her, if I knew her,
you know. But once I met her, I didn't feel anything.
I felt guilty that I wasn't feeling anything like she
was feeling.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Wow, that is very interesting, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I didn't feel anything, and that felt.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Kind of a stranger, right, you know at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, she's a total stranger. I didn't I didn't feel anything,
not not to the people who raised me. Like those
feel like my parents, you know, those feel like my
my sister and my brother, even though they're not blood. Yeah,
so DNA has no feeling.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
DNA has no feeling. How interesting for me, a lazy
Are you in contact with your adopted parents?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So she passed away three years ago. My name was Pam.
I did, I didn't know. I did get to meet her,
but as he said, she was a stranger, you know,
so I couldn't. It was very hard to like, you know,
talk to her because I just didn't have anything in common.
But my biological father, he's on my Facebook. He wants
(29:09):
to see me all the time and get together. I
just haven't went to see me yet. I met like
a son, yeah, and he's like wants to see me bad.
And I'm like, am I fucked up? And I'm like
playing like revenge, like I'm going to hurt you? Like
am I really? Yeah? That's wild if I am. But
(29:30):
I haven't seen him. But it was it was so
weird with her that I didn't want to see, you know,
I didn't want to go through any weird stuff that
was like trauma.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, and that the woman that passed away, Pam, that
was you a biological mother?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's correct?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And what about the parents that adopted you? Are you
in contact with them?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're from little They're in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay, are you guys close?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We were very, very very close. And then you know,
through the PANDDMIC, like a lot of things, you know,
change because I was, you know, partying, because I was traveling,
because I was doing you know keys, Yeah, Keta mean
those things that I told you about, they were real
(30:16):
disappointed because they're very religious from like a megachurch.
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Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Gabrielle. I'm a former New York Mafia princess
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the owner of Tupash Boutique, and here with my beautiful
co host Masella, my daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, I'm Marcella. I'm a dancer, choreographer, model and designer
for Tupash and I say whatever the I want.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
My name is Cruz. I am a stylist. I also
own the Society Salon in the Design District. And I
am a short, little Mexican with a big personality.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What will they say next? Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, a big hello to our wonderful listeners, and we
have a truly exciting episode of the Tupash Podcast today
with our friend Jonathan Hey, a publicist and record producer
and entrepreneur and full of unbelievable knowledge and stories that
he's going to share today right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, for sure? From Where are you from New York?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, I am actually originally from Austria, but I lived
in Howard Beach, Real. What do you Where are you at?
Are you in Brooklyn? My ex was born Masell and
Gino's dad is from Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. He was
(01:35):
in the New York Mafia. Like really yeah, he lived
right down the street from God he like where Gotti's
son got killed. You know that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
On the bike.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah yeah really, yep, really.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, Okay, some some people that we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I I want it to like just really highlight your
career and all that you have accomplished, because it is
an unbelievable with what you have going on and it
all Did it all start with Rihanna's song?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No, it started, No, it started before that. It started
in Loysville, Kentucky with the rock group called Days of
the New and we signed an enterscope. We had a massive,
like hit record and it was number one on Billboard
for seventeen weeks. So once that took off, then and
(02:34):
we did like everything wrong. You know, we did major
tours and you know, we didn't know anything that we
were doing, so you know, we screwed that up. But
then after that, you know, I started working for Whitney
Houston's father company, John Houston Entertainment, And it was John
Houston Entertainment that introduced me to the Rihanna project through
(02:55):
her producer.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh wow, So we play a little bit of that
song real quick, so people know what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I feel like everyone should know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I know, but oh you could sing it.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I'm not singer.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Everybody knows this emple red don't want to do to
music wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Some moments you don't want to music.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Want wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Some moments don't want to us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So tell us a little bit, like what what happened
with this whole thing? So you you were the the publicists.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Correct, yes, for the song. For the song. She was
an unknown artist, and so I was working for the producers, right,
So I like wrote her like, you know, first press
release and good like our first pitches, you know how
to press. And you know, we weren't getting a good
response at all for media, you know. And that was
(04:07):
two thousand and four. There's no social media, right, Like
my Space is like starting to become king, you know.
So uh yeah, oh no, I love my Space. But anyways,
she became like nobody was picking her up and so
(04:30):
uh and we all felt like it was a good song.
She was she was, like I said, she wasn't even
known at.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The time, you know, who found her. How did how
does that work? Like, I'm so interested in that. So
it's an unknown artist.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, so the producers found Aaron Barbados what and you know,
and then they brought her over to New York, you know,
to sing for the for the label.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And how old was she?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
She was sixteen? Okay, So there's that there's that kind
of weirdness.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's been tell us a little going.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
On coming lately, you know, I've been doing this. It's
like it's weird. So in twenty fifteen, let me show you.
I've got an example of this book right here. Can
you see it? Yeah, So it's a it's a real
like thick book. He Coming Beyond say, came out in
(05:30):
twenty fifteen, and I was in the book right for
like the author like he's like a best selling he's
a New York Times bestselling author, has done a lot
of profile pieces on stuff, and he like aired me out,
like got everything like what we did for the PR
stunts and put it included in the book. Then he
(05:50):
went on Wendy Williams and all this is like on
my Twitter. So I've like retweeted some of it where
he's on Wendy Williams, you know, talking about it and
talking about the publicity, not what we did. I ended
up going to an inside edition apologizing, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
YadA, Can you tell us what you did?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Hold on a second? That was in two That was
in twenty fifteen, and then it comes back out every
few years. But this time, you know, came out through
this documentary for trapl or Ross and it was live
stream by academics. It was like a real big streamer.
He's like, no, just like three weeks ago, and so
(06:29):
it started the It started the whole thing again. So
everybody's fascinated. So we went viral on YouTube and TikTok
with talking about this whole thing again. But this time,
I'm like not falling on the sword. This time, I'm
not like, you know, because I've like taken a beating
for almost twenty years for this thing. You know that
(06:51):
I wasn't I wasn't alone in this marketing angle, if
you know what I mean. Marketing employee marketing ploy for
an unknown artists who at the time that came out
was seventeen. She turned seventeen, so when the song came out,
she was seventeen, So what was the ploy so the
(07:14):
ploy was it's embarrassing but no. But the employ was
because nothing was working right, And I sent a pitch
to Jennifer Vineyard. She was at MTV News and she's like,
you know, getting it on MTV News was a big
thing back then. You know, you didn't have all the blogs,
(07:35):
you didn't have you know, all these things. MTV News
was a game changer. And so Jennifer Vineyard came back.
She was like, if we can get a quote from
jay Z, then we will put it on MTV News.
I was like, yes, definitely, we'll send you a quote tomorrow,
hopefully later on today. So then I'm texting jay Z
on his two way. Everybody the producers are texting jay
(07:57):
Z and he wouldn't even answer. I see, like complete
stone walls. So we didn't get a quote, We didn't
get anything. She ended up running the story anyways, right,
he still wouldn't help because he was like trying to sign.
He was more focused on his artist named Tierra Marie.
Plus he had just came into depth jam, so he
was like getting his uh you know, feet wet as
(08:18):
far as the corporate world because he's just been a
rapper for so long. So you know, understand it now.
But then you know, we were really angry because he
could have really helped us and didn't. And then of
course once she blows up, you know, then he's all
about it. You know. Then he's doing collaborations with their songs,
with and everything else.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So did you Chasey personally when you tried to do that?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So he wasn't as big. You got to think, this
is two thousand and five, right, he was. He wasn't
married to Beyonce, they didn't have children. He was a rapper,
you know. It was nothing like now, right, He's nothing
like the royalty that he is now. And so I
didn't know him from working with this artist named A
Mill who was signed to him a M I L.
(09:01):
And I did have direct contact with him because of
A Mill was one of his artists. So I did
have direct contact with him. Don't anymore that's changed. I
wish I did, you know. But uh so, once he like,
you know, completely like shunned us, and you know, we
had like no money for the record. You know, she
(09:23):
had like a two hundred dollars marketing budget from like
the producers because she's an unknown artist, you know, right,
So that's when it's like, okay, you know what we're
gonna We're going to make him pay attention to us.
We're going to get his attention. So we went to
the National Choir, which was the popular thing at the time.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
That I was.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
National Examiner, and we linked the news and they, you know,
they took it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
What was the news that he was having an affair
with his fiance beance with a new artist Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh, he was engage h to Beyonce at the time,
and he said he was having an affair with.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, there was a love triangle.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But it wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We did well. I mean listen, I don't know. People
people talked about it. People talked about he did with
all the women. You know, he was a rapper.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yeah, that's not surprising.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I feel even if it was made up, it happened anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right, was it was spoken to existence?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So, I mean I don't know, you know, and then
all of a sudden, the song took off, you know,
went crazy, blew up, went the radio, and that launched
your career. So just like when we think it's over
and we're like, you know, fuck yeah, that worked outside
of consuming we got pulled over by And that's what
I brought out in this last information that people were
(10:52):
talking about, is we got pulled over by you know,
like flagged to pull over by unmarked cars what unmarked
like you know you could tell they were law enforcement.
But of course me and my guy, we were like
freaking out. You know, we had no idea what it
was about. You know, we thought it was about weeds.
So we're like eating the weed and swallowing it and
(11:13):
you know, like stuff like that. It wasn't you know,
it wasn't legal back then, so we were just like
so parano. Anyways, we go to this like dodgy like
building outside of the Cassini Library and they're talking to
us and they're like, you know why, you know, can
you tell us about this relationship. We're like, no, it
(11:34):
wasn't a relationship. You know. He was like, do you
know about you know a mill? Do you know about
you know, Tierra Marie? Do you know about Lady Solvering.
He's naming all these other underage you know girls, Little Kim,
you know, he mentioned her, Foxy Brown, you know, like
all these people. You know. So we're like, no, we
(11:57):
don't know anything about that. So they were investigating him
because he had just stabbed He was on probation because
he had stabbed Lance Amrivera, and he was on tour
with R. Kelly and R Kelly They've gotten to this
legal stuff. Well you can google all this. So he
was like, you know, a task force was watching him,
(12:21):
and that's what they used They used to do that
with the rappers back in the day. They all used
to have like these task force against these big rappers
and they'd always get caught with like drugs and guns
and like stupid stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, but with the energy that they're saying and the
gangster rap, like, I mean, it makes sense. You know,
they're like saying that they're doing all these crimes and
all this other stuff. Wh wouldn't they have, you know,
a task force on them. But anyways, it was it
was really really freaky. It was really scary, and you know,
nothing happened.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So did you say that JAYZ stabbed somebody and he
was on probation.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, this guy named Lance Revera, you can look it up.
He's came out and retracted it and said that he
was jay Z didn't stab him. But jay Z like
pled like guilty to like the misdemeanor. You know, it's
all it's all online. You can you can read it.
It's like a big deal. So he had like this,
you know, a bit of a rap sheet right right.
(13:19):
You know, he's from the projects. He's from Marcy's projects
in Brooklyn. You know, so it's not like, you know,
he's like kind of like dougged out at the time,
you know. And then here we are putting out this
rumor about this seventeen year old that he's bringing overseas.
It wasn't it wasn't a good look, but they said
that it was true. So it was it was very strange.
(13:39):
We didn't think anything of it. But then, like when
I started to think about it, like since the documentary
came out, I started to think, well, you know, he's
partners with R Kelly, Like they've done two joint albums together,
They've done over thirty songs together. R Kelly is in
federal prison. You know, he's partners with Diddy. Diddy's under
(14:04):
investigation for trafficking. He was signed to Harvey Weinstein, like
you know, we know, we all know about Harvey Weinstein.
Like jay Z was son to him. You can look
all this up. It's like, doesn't even need like the
alleged tag on it. You know, he was signed to
Harvey Weinstein. So when you think about a guy who
signed to Harvey Weinstein and who's good friends with Diddy
(14:27):
and R Kelly, But that's weird, well, I mean weird.
That's three things that are weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's very weird. I mean, Jago Wright is saying that
he is the next one that's going down, and don't
didn't she mention you that something? I don't really exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Nobody, Yes she did. She did, But then she got
like mad because I did an interview on this and
you know, she started like, you know, like this some
me on a video. So why I don't know, I
don't know. It's weird. So I started like this in
her onear thing. So then I did this interview last
(15:04):
night and just they're like, oh, you don't want to this, heir.
I'm like okay, So yeah, a lot of people are
scared of her, A.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Lot of scared of her. She's talking so much.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No, just like scared of her, Like she's like the
big bad wolf. She's like scary jaguar. Right.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Oh, why.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Oh have you known her like in person?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No, I don't know, okay, Oh, I just know that
she was talking about the rumor, you know with me,
and then she said, we like plagiarized some of her
story in this interview because they were like, she's the
one who came out and said Diddy was doing two
C and Kennymine.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
She said a lot of things, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, somebody was like no, like it was like a
two hour interview. It was pretty you know, I was
on one and I just I was probably doing I
was probably doing Kennemine. I'm just kidding, but you know,
it's good for mental health. And so I was just
I was like talkingive and it went viral. You know,
it's on TikTok and everything else. It's crazy. So that's
(16:10):
where we're at, you know today.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So you said you're going to tell everything. So what
else you got?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know. But anyway, and then Thursday, I'm flying
to Fort Lauderday to do tasik. So it's like all
these things they're like happening, you know for this as
far as like to tell all stuff, I've just been
you know, like talking these you know, this thing has been,
you know, happening fast. You know. So I've just been
kind of explaining the situation.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What is you know, I wanted to come from this.
Are people getting arrested.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I mean it seems like Diddy's gonna get arrested, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That's that is what it seems like. And then jay
Z just had his white party or who had a
white party? That was just happened, right, I don't know,
but I saw that all over TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
They're always having those.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Oh oh oh, and weird things happen.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Weird things happen, the freak offs.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, and what happens there? Have you been there? Like
can you talk about no?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, no, have you guys?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
No, he'll you imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I can tell you he's been to one.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
A lot of parties.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Maybe not a Diddy party, but.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So the freaking os.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I mean, I see it all over TikTok. Is it
I mean, is it true?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You think it seems to be pretty true? Right?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of truth to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
When you see him getting rated, Yeah, with that many people,
it's like hard to get like a you know, grand
Jerry to sign off on that you know, press charges
or whatever. You know, it's good search warrants all that,
so there had to be some substantial Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
So are Kelly's in jail? And then is jay Z
gonna go to jail? I mean they all should?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I mean, did you jay Z? This all just it
goes down the same path, but they're all involved with
each other. I'm sure it's all the same.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Wellh I know, it's what it seems, right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It seems that waye for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Mm hmm. Are Kelly's in jail right, he's in federal prison.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, so are you still producing? Are you not?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Really?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Because has the industry changed a lot? It's changed too much,
too much, Like in one way with.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Like AI AI is taking over everything.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's amazing too. It's like like the songs that can
be made so fast, Like when the kinder Kelmar you know,
Drake Beef was happening, they were putting out country versions
and all these versions from AA that were just amazing.
And that's why it's like, Okay, the music industry.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Is Wow, that's really crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
A lot.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think songs aren't just valued. There's no value of
music anymore.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Sad you know, because it can be recorded so easy.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I remember, like fifteen years ago I met my hero,
Chuck de Public Enemy, he's the lead rapper, and I
was like so fanned out, and he was like, it
used to be such a big deal to go into
the recording studio. It was like it meant something, and
he said, then nowadays you roll out of your bed
and you're in the studio. Right now, it's fifteen years ago.
(19:34):
Now it's like people are recording stuff on their phone
that is going to radio and you know AI.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's crazy, you know, that is very crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean what about these new artists like I know
several like young sixteen year old girls that just still
is so talented having like doing country music or whatever.
What advice would you give them to? I mean, they're
not using AI, They're really using their own voice. What
do you do now?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well, I mean, you know they should keep There's always
going to be a there's always going to be a
place for you know, the talented ones and stuff like that.
You know. But just as far as like producing, I
think you have to be I think you have to
be working with like AI and the programs, you know,
those those are the next music producers. Who's ever mastering that?
(20:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Are the are the AI specialists?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You don't want to go to no.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I'm over. I was doing jazz music for a while, right,
I was doing house music, and it was just because
like trauma.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I've been through some like you know, some weird ship.
And so I started producing jazz music and we hit
number one on Billboard with that stuff cogulations, Thank you.
I did really well and uh it led to some
really cool parties and some cool people and uh, but
(21:06):
it's like, no, I'm done with that. So I wrote
a book that's kind of how this thing came out,
you know, And then it's like, oh, that's what it is.
He has a book?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What book?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's a plot, but it's not because the documentary came out.
I didn't know it's coming out, right, So then once
it came out, I spoke on it.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
It's like, oh, by the way, which documentary.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Trapler Ross documentary about z?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh it's about and did in that documentary? Did there's
more come out of the death of jay Z's mistress? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was you have to watch it?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I know I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
You have a good document.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, apparently like her.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well then they said it Beyonce saying about it and
her women, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah. So it's just it's just some you know, some
very you know, weird stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Are you happy to be away from all that?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm getting in on it on a different side, you know, yeah,
but yeah, from like the music production, being in the
studio with artists, you know, because I like hate people.
It seems like, you know, so like working with all
the different artists and all the different egos and trying
to get everybody alone. You know, people who had egos
didn't even need to have egos. It's like, you can't
(22:34):
have an ego when you haven't even sold a record, right,
do you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, So it's
just like it was just annoying.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So what book did you write?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So? I wrote this book in like February, okay, and
then I finished it like over a month. I've been
talking about doing it forever. And it's like a scandalous
toll revealing all these things like but the j stuff
and you know, Drake stuff and YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What is it called? So?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
How do we promote your book?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, we'll promote it is yet no oh oh my boss.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Okay, no, no, no, no, we'll promote it. But it's
called How a Stripper Saved My life.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Saved my life.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I had a love that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Can you explain.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That a little bit? Yeah, So I was adopted, right, okay.
And my mother, my birth mother was a dancer, okay,
And like throughout the pregnancy she was a dancer. Even
when she got bigger, she used to dance for this
this company called Tons of Fun.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
So that's that's what she did.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I'm a child of tons of Fun, tons of fun,
tons of fun exactly sex work anyway. So, like I said,
I went through this real severe like trauma, and I
went to New York while we were having like the
number one we had the number one album, and we
were in the studio. We're all celebrating, and I go
(24:13):
next door to this strip club, literally like right next
door to the recording studio. And I went in and
I met this dancer, and you know, it completely changed
my life. Like I was really struggling before then, Like
I was like I was like in a home invasion.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I was going to ask you about that, what happened there?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I mean me, I was coming out home and I
was pistol wolfed and duct taped and held for like
two hours. And three people, Yeah, three people went to prison.
They played guilty. Wow, you can see it like on
the news and stuff like. That was very it was
very traumatic.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
How long ago was that?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Imagine it was April twentieth, of all days, April twenty seventeen. Wow,
So everybody went to prison, and it was like completely
changed my life. It's like I got fully tatted up,
I grew my hair out. I was like I'm gonna
do jazz music, you know, and just totally like went
(25:16):
on one. So then when we went number one, I
went over to the strip club and I met her
and we like hit it off, you know. Obviously that's
what all guys thinks for hitting it up. And I'm paying,
I'm a client, you know, but let's keep it real,
you know. But anyways, so we get like a private room.
(25:36):
It's like amazing, you know. And then she comes back
to like the hotel and she stays he like the weekend,
and then she ended up coming to Louisville, and then
we ended up together for hoween for three years?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
You're not together now not together.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Now what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Pandemic? She was in London and the borders were closed.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Oh is she still in London?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Do you miss her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I shouldn't say you talk to her? No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
No, but I mean it was great. But I mean,
like I said, she introduced me to like house.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Music, into like you know, we love house music.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Acatamene and d MT and all these things that really
helped the trauma from the house invasion and elucinigenics. And
I wasn't doing any of that stuff. And then I'll,
you know, once I did that, it was very free.
So it's like, you know, I should saved my life.
And then you know, she had some great ideas for
great projects, and you know, she just completely you know,
(26:43):
she saved my life.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
That I feel. It's yeah, it's of your mind, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah. So it's about my mother and then it's about her,
you know, and then coming together drawing a line because
my mother was a dance her and then you know,
my ex was a was an.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Answer, so you were you were adopted? Correct?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And then you found your birth mom. Is that how
you found out that she was a stripper?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
She told me, Oh she told you yeah, oh interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, I was like that's cool, you know. But like
when I met her, it was like whack because she
was you know, sixty seventy and she had been through
like a really rough life. So she had like one eye,
she had like she had like one foot, and she
was on dialysis, you know, because she had this medical
(27:38):
procedure to go wrong. So I was just like what
she was in this old rundown trailer outside of Cleveland, Ohio,
and astrabula looked like something from Stephen King.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And I didn't know her, right right.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's the thing that I wish I could go back
and tell, like, you know, like there is something I
would like if adopted kid were to see this. It's
like DNA is so overrated because my whole life, I thought,
you know, if I met her, if I knew her,
you know. But once I met her, I didn't feel anything.
I felt guilty that I wasn't feeling anything like she
was feeling.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Wow, that is very interesting, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I didn't feel anything, and that felt.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Kind of a stranger, right, you know at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, she's a total stranger. I didn't I didn't feel anything,
not not to the people who raised me. Like those
feel like my parents, you know, those feel like my
my sister and my brother, even though they're not blood. Yeah,
so DNA has no feeling.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
DNA has no feeling. How interesting for me, a lazy
Are you in contact with your adopted parents?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So she passed away three years ago. My name was Pam.
I did, I didn't know. I did get to meet her,
but as he said, she was a stranger, you know,
so I couldn't. It was very hard to like, you know,
talk to her because I just didn't have anything in common.
But my biological father, he's on my Facebook. He wants
(29:09):
to see me all the time and get together. I
just haven't went to see me yet. I met like
a son, yeah, and he's like wants to see me bad.
And I'm like, am I fucked up? And I'm like
playing like revenge, like I'm going to hurt you? Like
am I really? Yeah? That's wild if I am. But
(29:30):
I haven't seen him. But it was it was so
weird with her that I didn't want to see, you know,
I didn't want to go through any weird stuff that
was like trauma.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, and that the woman that passed away, Pam, that
was you a biological mother?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's correct?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And what about the parents that adopted you? Are you
in contact with them?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're from little They're in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay, are you guys close?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We were very, very very close. And then you know,
through the PANDDMIC, like a lot of things, you know,
change because I was, you know, partying, because I was traveling,
because I was doing you know keys, Yeah, Keta mean
those things that I told you about, they were real
(30:16):
disappointed because they're very religious from like a megachurch.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So Hi, I'm Olivia Gooley. I'm one of the gossip
girls here at Tupash Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You can find me on Instagram at Liv's World and
if you mean me, I'll be crying in my Bentley.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'm Marcella, co host of the Tupash podcast. You can
find me on all social media platforms, Marcella Roinery. You
can also find me on TikTok Marcella Roinary seven and
I say whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Yeah right, my name is krus Kaffer.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
You can find me on Instagram and that's pretty much it.
And let's do some tequila together on the next show.
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