January 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Join us for the gripping Part 3 of our conversation with Dallas's top personal injury attorney, Mr. Jay Murray. Dive into the harrowing details of the infamous 'Angel of Death' case, where Vickie Dawn Jackson's actions shocked a small Texas town and the nation. Jay shares exclusive insights into the investigation, the victims, and the chilling methods used. Plus, hear about Jay's unique approach to law, personal anecdotes, and a fun discussion on conspiracy theories and gossip with Britney Spears. Don't miss this must-listen episode! #JayWins #TooPoshPodcast #AngelOfDeath #DallasAttorney #TrueCrime
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Gabrielle. I'm a former New York Mafia princess
originally from Austria. I am the mother of three and
the owner of Tubash Boutique and here with my beautiful
co host Marsella, my daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, I'm Marcella. I'm a dancer, choreographer, model and designer
for Tupash and I say whatever I want.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
My name is Cruse. I am a stylist. I also
own the Society Salon in the design district and I
am a short, little Mexican with a big personality.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What will they say next? Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Killing Nurse.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You need to tell us about don Jackson. It was
what's her name again, Vicky Jackson and it was Nacona
General Hospital and.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Uh uh in Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, it was a chance, I want to say it was.
Dingler and Finolia were the two doctors that we sued
in that case as well. And they basically the Finolios
and Dingler controlled Nacona General Hospitals, like a fourteen bed
hospital up in Monte County, and they actually had a
higher death rate than Parkland, and they had a nurse yeah,
(01:28):
And the joke was that they had a nurse that
named Vicky don Jackson, who's now I believe, still in jail,
and she, uh, she would mercy kill people. So like
the joke was when when Vicky worked, they call it
the graveyard shift because somebody would go to the graveyard
and if you get your call button too many times,
she would be like at the nurses station, go I'll
(01:50):
go take care of this, and boom, she'd go in
and hit him with some mivercron and would kill him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Kill him because of pushing those angel of death. I'm
looking at the angel of death. What the heck? How
how did I mean, how did you even get this case?
Who came to you? Have so many questions.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Williams boys were our first client up there, and
it was through uh, my ex's family had a ranch
up in Monte County and her dad knew knew some
of the families and and next thing, you know, I mean,
and in a small town like that where all of
a sudden, like all these people are dying when they
(02:30):
go to the hospital, it's kind of like like, okay,
so mister Williams in that case, he had a tacubus
ulcer on his heel, and they'd sent them over from
the nursing home just for the cube, and bloom, he's dead.
What's in a cube? Like when you lay too long
in a in a position your body, your skin will
begin to deteriorate and it gets infected. Yeah, bed sores. Yeah,
(02:51):
and uh, he just had one on his heel. I mean,
other than that, he was totally fine. And she tells
and she actually had gone to high school with the
oldest son. And I'm drawing a blank right now on
his name because it was typical small town Texas, but
they all had different nicknames. You know, my name is Jay,
but I go by Larry or whatever. And it's killed
(03:13):
me right now because I cannot think of his first name.
And so Vicky tells him. She goes, yeah, your dad
went outside and smoke and told me he was ready
to meet his maker. And he's like, my dad never
would have said something like that, And so he starts
talking to other people and they're like, yeah, my dad
died over there, my mother died over there. And so
they all decided that they didn't want a local lawyer.
(03:33):
They wanted somebody from outside of there, and because of
my ex's family up there, they knew that I was
a lawyer, and so that's kind of how we got
those cases. And then another lawyer involved. It was a
relative of his that died up there, and I don't
remember Donna Bowen. There was a fourteen year old girl
(03:54):
who was in there for an arm surgery and she'd
have this arm surgery and she's the one who I
actually if it hadn't been for her living, it probably
still would be going on. And she four yeah, I
think she was fourteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
She The patients were one elderly and the only fourteen
years old.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Another one, Yeah, she was in there and hit a
call button because she wanted she had some pain, she
wants some paint pills. And Vicky goes in and like
when you have an iv and it's really easy just
to put a syringe in there and you squirt it
in there and you don't see a hole in the
arm or anything. So she would just squirt it through
the ivy and you would never even know what was there.
And next thing you know, she codes, and another nurse
(04:33):
came in there and saved her, and so she didn't die,
and she was able to identify that Vicky had come
into the room and then all of a sudden injected
something into her IV and she was paralyzed. And that's
that's what started the whole deal. So then we started
looking into it, and we started looking at the amount
of mivercron and they were using more mivercron at this
(04:54):
small hospital in Nakona than they were at Parkland through
the whole Parkland Health system. Yes, it was just it
was crazy. And they had a higher death rate percentage
than park I mean, it was just it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You see the numbers and you just start adding.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, And so the Texas Rangers got involved, the FBI
was involved, and they came in. They exhumed some bodies
and they one of two of our clients bodies were exhumed,
and they were actually sent to Quantico, Virginia, to the
FBI lab up there, and they developed a test for
mivercron and tissue samples because they nobody had ever done
(05:35):
this one before, and they actually developed a test for
it that now they can now test for it when
people pass, you know, die from that. But basically just asphyxiated,
it's a paralytic that just freezes your body and you
you're mentally there, but you just can't breathe and you
just literally just suffocate.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And wildly on the Sins of the South, which is
new on off Oxygen, episode twelve, which just came out
like a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is her story is it really?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah? Is it called it's called Sins of the South.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And her story is called Code Blue, a lone star
state serial killer. And it's episode twelve on Oxygen and
it just this whole show just came out in August. No, no, no, no,
just that episode. But these are all crazy stories from
the South. And she's the most recent episode twelve. And
they said what she did was the cruelest way you
(06:35):
could kill people. And she's a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And she's so stupid. Okay, so they cut these little
vile boxes and they'll have like a batch and a
lot on there so you can trace back, like if
there's recalls and stuff, they can they can trace it.
And she was taking the empty vials in the boxes home,
but wasn't like throwing them away. And so when the
Texas Rangers radio.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
House that's her were were they trophies to know?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But she had like all the empty boxes and vials
at our house. So with the box and lot number,
you can trace it back through the distributors of where
it was sold to. And it's like, okay, they all
went to Nakona and yeah, so she ended up going
away to the penitentiary.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But I say, why she did it, no, is just
kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's weird because like the Williams boys went to high
school with her in Nakona, and they were like, we
never had any issues with her. We never argued with her,
we never got into a fight with her, and they
had no idea why she did that to their dad.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You said how many?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think that there was only ten that kind of
got pulled out that the FBI really looked at. I
think the number is higher, probably somewhere one hundred or
more that died of wow. And I don't have any
proof of that other than just looking at the documentation
of all the deaths and how many vials of Mivercron
had been gone through and things like that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But they got her for ten, that's yeah, I mean,
that's that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, yeah, she's a serial killer. A trial.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't remember if they tried her. They played it
out and we actually, as much as I hate to
say this Hurricane Katrina, the one good thing it did
for us is they had filed a motion to dismiss
and we were supposed to have a hearing in New
Orleans on the day that Katrina hit New Orleans in
the Fifth Circuit and it wiped out the Fifth Circuit
Court of Appeals and they just they denied the defense's
(08:30):
motions and that's what eventually got the case resolved.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They said in December there were eleven deaths, with another
fourteen in January.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot, It's been a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
But then they got her for ten bed hospital.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
What's crazy is that nobody even figured it out earlier. Yeah,
this is odd over one hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But she had keys to the pharmacy so she could
go in there. After she would take him off the
crash cart. She would just go back in the pharmacy,
pull them off the shelf, and just go stick it
back in the crash cart.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Why did she have keys to the pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
In the hospital, because they they were just hanging there
in the nurses station.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I wonder it made her do that, Like suddenly, that's.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
What I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
He's just crazy, So it's funny you say that. So
my apartment. He's actually passed away now. But Mike farm
I love him to death. But we get a call
from Time magazine and they want to talk to us
about this, and so Mike buzzes me. I go over
to his office and he's like times on the phone.
They want to talk to us, And the reporter asked
that question, why do you think she did that? And
he goes, I don't know, maybe it's like a son
(09:35):
of Sam thing as she was talking to dogs. And
I looked at him, like, are you serious? Did you
really just say? He's like, I don't know what makes
a sociopath the sociopath. I don't know what ticked her
off to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, it just started just started killing people.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm going to watch that on OX.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I didn't realize that, so thanks, I'm actually going to
watch it. Yeah, I know. Skip Bayless wrote a really
good article in Texas Monthly about it, and he really.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I saw that too, but I can not.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
On Texas Monthly, he did.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A really really, really good, good article about it, and yeah,
it was. It was wild and we've seen just some
just some weird stuff over the years.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What else.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And it says she grew up like a normal person
with no issues and like she seems pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Scary, like she just snapped suddenly.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, and just you just never know what weird.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I wonder if she says on since.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I don't know, and I'm wondering if the interviewed her
in prisoner or something.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It looks like, I don't know, it looks like they
might have, so I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I don't know. I'm definitely gonna go check it. It
was on Hulu and Netflix Oxygen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So I don't know if that's on what what network
or what streaming service. Oxygen is on maybe Hulu, I
don't know. Probably worth watching now that we know Jay
was part of that, I actually want to watch all
of them. Yeah, that is so crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm actually peacock. Peacock, All right, there we go. Okay,
So Peacock had the Olympics on this year. Did y'all watch?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I thought I did not watch one single.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I watched all the gymnastics in the swimming and the
track and field, ping pong. I just love the races
because we were screaming at the TV. I had a
girl's like trip and we were all in the moving
room screaming like, oh, go, go go.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's just so fun.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I did see clips of the breakdown scene.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, I am actually watched the Kevin Hart and Thompson
Jill and so I got my Olympic feed through them
and the ironic party is okay. So with the taco deal,
they had the guy on there who won the Nathan's
Hot Dog eating contests this year, and I was like
(12:01):
grossed out by it. He ate like twelve pounds of
hot oil.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I can't watch that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's just it was just nasty. And he has like
this wwe looking belt, and so they had like this
huge pile of escargo and they were like how fast
can you eat this? And he's like literally just grabbing
handfuls of s cargo, like putting in his mouth and
slamming water. And I'm just like, it just grossed me out.
(12:26):
Why is that gross you out? You watch jelly Bean Rollie?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Because good point in.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The eating contest they're dipping it in water and it
looks so disgusting. And they're stuffing their mouth and I
and they're in such a hurry. The muckbangs are not
a race. The muckbangs they're enjoying a bite and they're shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
There are some girls who do the crumble cookies and
they look very pretty, a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I told Hope to start doing it. I was like,
you should do this in a swim sealed. They do nothing,
and because you know, she's a fruity too, and so
she goes, well, I could try it, but you're not
supposed to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You just eat, and they want to hear you take
a bite and chew and swallow. Some people are upset
if they don't see you swallow because there's.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Rumors that they don't.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
They chew and then when the camera clips they're spitting
it out. Not gain weight. But there's also people like
Jellybean and Sweets. She has a feeder account, meaning people
are paying her to gain weight. The more weight she gained,
some more money she's making.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I've heard of that. Yeah, we live in a wild
time career. I'm just a fat kid because I like
to eat.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
My god, you could get money, yeah, yeah, they that's
different than the food race.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
I'd rather the opposite. I'd rather watch someone compete.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
No competitors are skinny too, Like there's skinny Asian dude
that can knock some ship down.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I wonder. I just don't understand now these who are
actually eating and enjoying their food, so I like to
see them enjoy it. The wing stops a big one too.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Wings stop.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I do not like it when they have the hand
bone off.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Took the meat off that bone.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh, I don't like that one either. It's not my favorite.
But I don't know. There's a guy Keith something.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's Keith, but he's a he's a critic. That's different.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, but he got famous on TikTok for eating. Yeah,
it's a big deal. But he's a critic. He is
a critic.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He speaks about it. Yeah, he talks about and yeah,
he's him a rating that's I like to. I can
handle that. You're going, right, I know, because it's like, Okay,
I might want to try something that I haven't been there,
and oh you know I'm seeing something different. I'll try that,
you know. But like someone's just eating like that, I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
L a b.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Eli the cactus eliot. Okay, that's weird down of expired milks.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm trying to remember. There was a taco joint that
we went to and they actually had cactus talk. It's
a gas station in Plano. It's called Tart Tiger Mart
and it's on Park Bill Bars you go over seventy
five going west on the right. Inside used to be
like a shell gas station and they actually had cactus
tacos in there. Yeah, and they actually were really good.
(15:37):
I was. I was kind of surprised.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I'm not, but that's that's pretty common. And and you
were talking about bugs and chapolinis and uh taco. They
have chapolinis which are like grasshoppers and they're fried salted.
I mean when I was younger, I used to eat
them as snacks like they would sell them and they Yeah,
(16:00):
it's like like a little crunchy protein.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I mean, grasshopper before you have you really Yeah, it's yeah, crickets, grasshoppers,
they're crickets. Yeah. It was high school during class and
I don't know, you lost. No, it's like a biology class.
The teacher is like bringing ants and stuff. You haven't
your ants, chocolate covered ants. I caught a grasshopper outside
and they are in the microwave and I ate it.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, these are like fried and then they're tossed in
like chili powder and lemon.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That sounds good.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It's it's not bad. And in Mexico City they sell
them on the streets and they caught upolas and then
they sell tacosma. You should try that. It's a pretty
good place too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I don't know if you've tried lenga you had.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm not very big on Lingua. Yeah, yeah, what is that?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I've never had and cescils, cecils. If you an't have
your head cecils, what's that? The brain.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I have, I'm not big on. One of my really
dear friends growing up. Uh, his parents say on the
planet of Tortilla factory. So that's what I learned about
Manuda and barberco Yea as a child. And that's is
really good.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And that's the chee, yeah, the cheek. And then there's
busy Bus, which is the small intestine fried up, real good.
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I'll go brain and everything, but I mean it's.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like chick chick lims, chick chicklins, Is.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That a tooth.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
No, it's like intestine, and minudo is also the stomach lining.
It's excellent when you're hungover.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's exactly what Esse used to tell me. Is the
best hangover here?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Excellent. Yeah, we don't waste the cow. We eat every
ding in Austria to the the udder. Yeah, I saw
something from probably I'm trying to remember now what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh that that they were almost an icis attacked on
Tailor Swift yes, oh yeah in Vienna, Austria. This last
week's talk about that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
There was a threat that she canceled her so three
concerts were canceled because they were having this. They literally
foiled this crazy terror attack in Vienna, Austria. My my, my,
beautiful safe.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Country, beautiful city.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, I cannot get over what's going on. That
is really sad. But yes, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
When we went to Vienna. We did the horses, the horses, yeah,
we did those, and I remember the was it the
hotel that's famous for the chocolate cake? Yeah, yes, yeah,
we did that, and I'm trying to remember the palace this. Yes,
(18:50):
it was beautiful. I really liked those pretty a very
beautiful beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
She's very homesick. I'm always homesick. Tell us about some
what else do you want to tell us about your office?
And you're everything you provide that I may not have said,
but you like ninety five percent of your cases are
settled with out litigation. That's a high percentage.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We're fortunate enough that we do it. We are able
to sell a lot of cases, and I think it's
because a lot of carriers. Now we work every case.
It's just as though it's going to go to trial,
and they know that. You know, we've tried stuff in
the past and we've had good results with it that
we'll still go ahead and try it. And I have
a different approach than some of my friends. I'm not
(19:32):
very obnoxious. We just settled a trucking case and the
general counsel from the trucking carrier, I was dealing directly
with him and he actually called and thanked me for
being polite to them, and I'm like, what do you mean,
And he's like, hease. I've never had a plan of
lawyer be nice to our claims manager or to me.
They're usually very rude. And I said, well, David, I
know that you're about to write me a very large check,
(19:54):
and so I always feguar it's easier for somebody who's
nice to you to write that check than somebody who's
just a complete jerk. I said. But you know, also,
if you start being a jerk to me, I'm you know,
a jerk back. But so we we usually have a
pretty good working relationship with people and you know, able
to get things done. A lot of our clients don't
want to go through two or three years of litigation,
and some don't mind, and I don't mind doing it either.
(20:17):
It just it depends on the case. Like we we
just did a Lexus seat back case and you know,
it's one of those that should have been settled without filing,
but we did, and you know, a year and a
half later, it settled for basically what Lexus could have
put I don't know if I was supposed to say,
okay it. You know, an automobile manufacturer could have settled
(20:41):
a case, uh for basically the same amount of money
that was settled for a year and a half later
without us and them spending a lot of money on
the case.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, what else? Do you have any other crazy stories?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
No, just I've been very blessed and have at just
some really random people and traveled a lot, and it's
a small world and it's always always fun to get out.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm glad you have those big No.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know what's funny is I never had really marketed.
All of our stuff always came through other lawyers, and
it was basically a referral based practice. And then when
COVID hit. Okay, I've got a really interesting background in
that I worked my dad on a bailbody company. So
I worked at a bail bonding company when I was
like ten years old.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh my god, colleague for jail Yeah wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I mean I was like meeting like Pimpson Hose
and I was like ten years old, things that most
kids should not be around. It's like CPS now probably
would have taken me away from my dad, but you know,
it was back in the day and he had me
when I wasn't with my mom, and you know, he
went to work and I had to go with him.
So I met a lot of criminal defense lawyers. And
(21:58):
so when I first started practicing, I had a really
good referral network from criminal lawyers and actually some of
the best cases I've ever gotten have been from criminal lawyers.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And so then when COVID hits, so many of them
either died, retired, moved out of state, or whatever. And
up until that point, I really had never done any
marketing at all. And a guy that I knew that
you see be on local news, he was like, you
need to start doing some stuff. And that's when we
started doing, you know, because before they had like, my
(22:28):
social media is private. I don't really, you know, that's
just not me. I'm not I don't like sticking stuff
in people's faces or whatever. And I lived for the moment,
so I don't like, Like, we went and saw Sebastian
Mannscola Saturday night. It was really really yeah, it was great.
And the people I was with they were taking the
(22:51):
phones out there, taking pictures and posting it crap. And
I'm like, I'm living in the moment. I want to
be here and enjoy it and not I don't really
care what other people are seeing, what I'm doing whatever.
But so Ron had talked me into making social media
public and then starting to do some of the marking stuff.
So that's when we started doing the Instagram and social media.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And then yeah, yeah, Ron did Ron did my stuff
for about a year really when I guess it's better
than doing like commercials. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, and we actually we did some ott the streaming
stuff and just it just wasn't my deal. And same
thing with like billboards and so thiss just not my deal.
But I don't mind the the se O, L S A, GMB,
that type of stuff because now everybody's on Google and
everyone's you know, looking anything on there, so and it's
(23:48):
it's amazing how many people that we have talked to
that just based on your reviews or that's why they
choose you. And I'm like, I mean, I do the
Yelp looking for a restaurant, but I don't do that
if my wife got killed and I'm looking for a lawyer.
But there's a lot of people that do, yeah, and
I'm pakful for it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
But well I also feel that like one doesn't really
know what to do, so that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, And we had so many people that moved to
Texas and during COVID, and I think it used to
be a different demographics in Texas where people always kind
of knew each other and they could ask like their
neighbors and things like that. Hey, you know, have you
ever use somebody and that type of stuff? And then
all of a sudden we get these inflectionalities out of
state people and they don't really have that background, and
(24:37):
they don't really know their neighbors, and so I think
they go to the internet now to paper stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, anybody else have any questions. But now I feel
like that was a lot of information question.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh yeah, you answered everything I know. Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So you know, when we can play pick a ball?
I keep asking that one.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Got a little small fracture my foot at the moment. No,
this was a beach in the sand injury. So as
soon as I'm back from this, we need to do
a tupash podcast beyond the table and do a little pickaball.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I hear you have this like love hate relationship with pickleball.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Me.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah, okay. I love it for a social fun thing.
I think the competitive side of it is is dumb,
like in terms of it being a sport, because it's
really it's really not anytime you can play something with
a beer or a hot dog in your hand. It's
like I love cornhole, but corn hole's not in my
opinion of sport. It's a fun game, same thing on pickleball.
(25:43):
Can a super athlete or some sort be better at
it make it look better? Sure, but it's really not.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So you're saying there's really no technique.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Very minimal, very minimal.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I mean, the breakdancing is in the Olympics, it's and
they're calling that a sport.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I am a dancer, and I find that ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I feel it's.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I can't judge believe that break dancing. Judge that before
they had put actually real dancing in. Honestly, I don't
know how a breakdancer.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But yes, I think I have to agree with Gena
on that a friend of mine actually has a pickle
ball court in his backyard. They redid a tennis court
into a pickle ball court. And his neighbor across the street.
I'm not a golfer, so I don't really know golfers,
but he had one like a major, and I guess
was like kind of a big deal golfer. And there
(26:39):
was this other Mark is like on a seventy eight
and some doctor buddy of Hisses in the seventies, and
all four of us were playing, and this old doctor
was kicking this pro golfers and so afterwards, he's like
retired and he's like mid forties, and I'm like, hey,
you know what you's like, I played golf and I'm
kind of like okay, and then afterwards like googled him, like,
(27:00):
oh god, I feel like a complete idiot. I had
no idea this guy was, but he liked that though.
I don't know. I don't think you like getting beat
up by like a seven year old utologist.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
But the whole game pick a ball is designed to
skill cap. You can't hit hard, you can't stop here,
you can't do this. It's all designed to stop people
that could be better from being better. So that's why
I think it's a fun game. It's just not a sport.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But it's actually dangerous.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, oh I know number one right now, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It really is. And I thought this was okay. So
my friend as the Super Bowl, he's going and falls,
hits his elbow and shatters his elbow.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Can't you do that playing tennis?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah? But the difference is there's it's it's like a
game that a lot of people that would not be
playing a sport are doing. And so the true ajured
lack thereof athleticism is coming out and they're getting injured.
And now some athletes get hurt, of course too, but
there's a lot of non athletes getting hurt. Pick a
(27:59):
ball goddess.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And a doctor over the Carrol Clinic told him me
of seeing more injuries now from pickleball than from anything else,
and I was shocked. But yeah, he had to do
a complete elbow replacement by my friend from playing and
the doctor world. Yeah, well he did in my elbow. Yeah,
that's hilarious. It's so funny because marks mean all this money,
(28:23):
restriping his tennis court, redoing everything. Literally it's been used
two times and it has not been touched since. He's
like the trauma nobody can use go back to that.
Wow spot, Wow, that's funny that he did your your
elbows well yeah, basketball. Yeah, he's a great doctor. He
(28:46):
did my mom's as well.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The world.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, yeah, doctor the Carrol a homie funny. Yeah, that's
really hurney. What's better. We're gonna make it happen.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Segments? Will you play segments with us?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
What segments?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, the first one will be a question of the day.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Oh gosh's starting them off easy, huh.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
The two posh girls ask the question of the day.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
All right, So.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I used this one already, but I really like it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Oh my god, I really liked that our guest answers
first J Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And uh. I definitely want to hear this from you.
So again, conspiracy theories, what about it? I want to
hear if you believe in them, and tell me one
that you believe in.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I think there are some conspiracy theories out there that
are probably true, and I'm trying to think of one
right now that I get like an instantly, A. I believe,
like like I do believe that there are uh aliens.
I gonna come up with that, and what really, I
(30:11):
just think we would be naive to think we're the
only thing in this universe.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And now with the stuff that's starting to come out
with these spider jets where they're seeing the you know,
orb there and all of a sudden just disappears there's
something going on there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, I'll belie even further. I think they're living amongst us.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That I'm not a thousand percent convinced to that, but
it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, Reptilians, the grays.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
My mom has a friend whose husband said he was
abducted by aliens.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I believe it in Germany, he said, she believes, so,
I don't know if I believe. No idea. It was
quezy talk for me. I mean, I've never heard on
the show exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Come on, I will. I will say this my uncle
in your old enough not trying to make a well,
no Marcella and paying attention. But do you remember when
Reagan was present, they did the SDI, that Strategic Defense Initiative.
It was like a Star Wars program. Okay, So my
uncle was one of the lead scientists on that, and
(31:17):
he actually, I used to joke, and I was in
high school that he developed the re entry system for
the Space Shuttle, the tiles that flew off that time.
That was what Wally had designed and which almost caused
it to blow up. And when he died, there were
certain government agencies that showed up at his widow, my
dad's sister's house, and they wanted to know everybody he
(31:39):
had talked to, like in the last six months, who
had been there to visit them. And they literally took
her computer from their house without a search one or anything,
and took it, did something whatever, and brought the computer back. Now,
I think they went through to Checht to see if
Wally had had emailed or what he had done, and
he had been to Area fifty one before, but he
wouldn't never tell us what was out there. So yeah,
(32:01):
I think there's there's things like that that go on
that we'll never know about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
One, the all these crazy statues and buildings that were
made that nobody can explain.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, so we'll totally get into that now now now
cruise has gotten there. So how do you explain this one?
If you look at the pyramids in Mexico, like at Chitsenitza,
and then you look at the pyramids in Egypt, they
are within like a half of inch of each other
in their dimensions and they're on the exact same parallel line.
So how did these people thousands of years ago, who
(32:36):
obviously we didn't have Twitter or TikTok backward? Did we?
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Or there's a huge thing that we're actually in decline
or not. Actually as far as the technologe as, we
think technology was better back then, yep, for great reset
restarted us.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But how else could they have known that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They say that about these crazy churches and all over
Europe too. Yes, yeah, how could they have painted that
and and built it when they had nothing?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, Now the one day I will disagree with Gino
on I do not I do not believe the Earth
is flat. I do believe that around and I do
not believe that either, but that the moon landing was
a Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Million So we haven't gone back.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That's a lot of people say there's no reason because
we already went that's their argument.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I believe we're still going into space, but we're still
going to space.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And there's those poor people that just went up there
for Boeing and it's worse than an American flights, Like
I'd rather be delayed three hours, and you're going to
be up here for a year.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Oh no, no, Yeah, they went.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That space show and now they got to wait for
like an uber to pick them up and out the
space to bring him back to America.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, because they're stuck in the space station.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
About that panic attack suppose from Russia though, right, Yeah, supposedly.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
The Challenger did not have a crew on board. They're
all still alive. They're all still Challenger crew did not perish,
and the Challenger explosion.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So did Kennedy die in a plane crash?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Kennedy died in a plane crash, but he was killed.
It wasn't an accident.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Sounds right to me.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Never get on YouTube flags.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
There's some people that think that they never died.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
That it was like a there's a there's an underground
place they'll go the contract.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Elvis is still alive, he's working, he's the.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Basketball player, and his daughter Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, I feel a lot of those people died because
of and this is a conspiracy theory, but they knew stuff.
They're gonna let stuff out, and that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
You also have a contract date, your contract runs out,
and your fame, and that's you gotta you submit to
the price.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
After your soul when you sign your soul.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
All right, does anyone have any gossip gossip? You know,
any gossip you have any Britney Spiers gossip?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wants to know that. I don't know who Britney Spears is.
I've never heard.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You could never tell us.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And the funny part is, as we were sitting here talking,
well the whole second, her brother was calling me, oh yeah,
and Brian was sending her text it's there's some stuff
going on with with her and uh quessions that there's
(35:52):
some stuff going on there. Brother, it's it's a completed story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I know. I would never put you in a place.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
To tell I will say this much. Her dad is
not the person that the media has made him out
to be, and her brother is not the person that
(36:21):
the media has made Brian out to be. And it's
it's truly sad on what people that have never met
anyone involved with that family I would say or do
when they don't know that the true story, what's.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Really going I know you're very close with them, so.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I've known them for it for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And that's really sad. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's it's it's it's it's different.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And that's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It's all I can say.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think what.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Will we ever get bringing back? Well, she have a comeback?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I don't know, I really don't. I don't know if
she ever will or won't.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, well you got her sister singing all her stuff,
so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It Brits is different. I can believe with that. Is
she still alive. She is still alive. I will one
thousand percent, so.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That whole conspiracy, it's not even conspiracy. There used to
be a Dallas DJ that said he saw that there
was a car accident, and that is true, not true.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You would know, I will say, as of yesterday, I
have to look six thirty, she was so lot.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, this is Monday, August twelfth.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Definitely, so she definitely was in Mexica. She definitely definitely
was so live.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
All right, So let's go to our special sexual health segments.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
It's not gonna be that bad to join us as
we explore the latest in sexual health education, answer your
burning questions, and break down the taboos that often surround
this essential aspect of our lives. It's time for sexual
health on the Two Posh Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's very professional. We're gonna go back to our yes
no maybe last random sex. Random someone you meet it,
you barely know their name, You into.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
It, Yeah, Gina, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
No, absolutely no.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Cruise randoms like like just.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I've never had a one night stand in my entire life.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Same, so what the first time that, I mean, you
meet them, go out with a couple.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Of dates, that's not random, that's that's different.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
No, No, but I'm saying that's how you always got
to get to know them, got to get to know them.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Okay, my numbers pretty.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm also too terrified that I'm be murdered, So I've
never never gone home with anyone.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'm scared to death. I don't know you the hell?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then have you seen like the the news where
they're saying that Houston has like all these high rates
of STDs down there.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I've heard that from Dallas and Dallas either.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, I mean that's one thing. I am clean. I
know that, and I don't don't want to have any
of those deals. And so that's kind of but.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
There's always protection, like of course, I mean, I don't
have any kids that I know of.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I know my office is convinced that we almost played
a joke on them one day and had somebody show
up and act like that they had to like they're
by child. It would have been pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Funny for that, really funny. You may get a lot
of views for that.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, the best one that was we had a receptionist
who convinced the EPs driver that she was my illegitimate daughter.
God it was pretty funny. She was a mixed half Hispanic,
half African American and and he's like, there's no And
so she had made that this whole story about was
a one night staying with her mom. And so finally,
instead of arguing with Alicia all the time, I'm like, yeah,
(40:45):
it was just a bad decision on my point.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Her work.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Now, I don't know if we have time. This is
is really pretty funny. So we used to take our
office on a office trip every year, and so we
had gone down a coastrin We're doing one of those
like catamaran things. We have you multiple people on there,
and I was my best friend from undergrad owns a
model engage in Atlanta and Sydney, and I had broken
them and she's set me up with one of her
clients and Mary Courtney's very attractive. And we're down there
(41:15):
and there's a couple next to us from Philly, African Americans,
and Alisa comes walking around and she goes daddy, and
I'm sitting there and I'm like, I know exactly where
this is going. And she goes daddy and the black
lady looks at at the guy she's with and he goes, hey,
my fucking daughter. I'm like, yeah, Alisha. And so then
(41:39):
the girl had been day and looks at me like
what I'm like, just go along with it. And so
then so I go back to the back of the
boat and there's this lady who had a autistic child.
And you can ask my office this still this day
laugh about this. She goes, how can he get a
girl like that? And my son can't. I'm like, I
love like an autistic part as far as my billion
(42:01):
I can go out with.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
God.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, like I said, my life has been just so random,
un just random stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I know that is fun, but at least you have
a lot of stories. Yeah, are you dating?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
No, No, there's a pause.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Dating can be very vague because.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You were dating maybe.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I think the word was talking talking words before dating.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, you talk, and then some things happened and we're
no longer talking, okay, And so the truth always comes
out in the wash.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
And I feel though dating nowadays is it's it's taking
a turn because when you date, like, it's okay to
date multiple people because you're dating. I think I feel
as long as you're straight up i'm dating this person,
I'm dating. I got to get to know people, and
then when you find someone that interests you, then maybe
(43:08):
you you know, become official or just be you know,
just dating that one person. But I feel it's okay.
And this is just my opinion that you know, when
you're dating, as long as you're straight up, I mean,
that's how you do it. You date multiple people to
find out who you're gonna like.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I agree with that, right, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I don't think it's a bad thing as long as
you're straight up with it.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This is funny though. So we we had a dinner
Saturday night and I had taken our marketing people out
to dinner and we had given one of them a
gift from Tiffany's and she posted a deal about she
had like a Tiffany's bag and breakfast at Tiffany's was
by the background, and I had multiple people, I know,
they're like, do you have a girlfriend or ring this thing.
(43:56):
When we started doing social media, I'd like some of
my friends from my school like did you get married?
I'm like, no, it's an r rate, but yeah, just
like random things like that, and then people are of
a sudden they jump to a conclusion it's like, I
mean because Turn attacked me into in the deal. I'm like, no,
it's my social media people that know that's not not
(44:17):
the deal.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, well, anything else from anyone who want to Jake.
If everybody your social media where they can find you
and your website.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Our website is very easy. It's jaywins dot com. That's
so great and so it's pretty simple at seven letters.
And then it's Jay Murray Underscore Law on Instagram. As
I always tell everybody, We're always happy to answer questions
no matter what it is, and even if it's not
something that we can help you with, will always help you.
Try to find somebody that can.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That is awesome. You're amazing. Thank you for coming on
the show. I know, thank you, thank you so much,
and thanks for rating the tako. Yeah, such a good.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
You want to take one more bite and see.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Hi. I'm Olivia Gooley. I'm one of the gossip girls
here at tupash Podcasts.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
You can find me on Instagram at Liv's World and
if you need me, I'll be crying my Bentley.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I'm Marcella, co host of the Tupash podcast. You can
find me on all social media platforms. Marcellainery. You can
also find me on TikTok Marcella Roinary seven and I
say whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, my name is krus Koffer. You can find me
on Instagram. And that's pretty much it and let's do
some tequila together on the next show.
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(46:11):
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Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Gabrielle. I'm a former New York Mafia princess
originally from Austria. I am the mother of three and
the owner of Tubash Boutique and here with my beautiful
co host Marsella, my daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, I'm Marcella. I'm a dancer, choreographer, model and designer
for Tupash and I say whatever I want.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
My name is Cruse. I am a stylist. I also
own the Society Salon in the design district and I
am a short, little Mexican with a big personality.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What will they say next? Welcome to the Tupash Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Killing Nurse.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You need to tell us about don Jackson. It was
what's her name again, Vicky Jackson and it was Nacona
General Hospital and.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Uh uh in Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, it was a chance, I want to say it was.
Dingler and Finolia were the two doctors that we sued
in that case as well. And they basically the Finolios
and Dingler controlled Nacona General Hospitals, like a fourteen bed
hospital up in Monte County, and they actually had a
higher death rate than Parkland, and they had a nurse yeah,
(01:28):
And the joke was that they had a nurse that
named Vicky don Jackson, who's now I believe, still in jail,
and she, uh, she would mercy kill people. So like
the joke was when when Vicky worked, they call it
the graveyard shift because somebody would go to the graveyard
and if you get your call button too many times,
she would be like at the nurses station, go I'll
(01:50):
go take care of this, and boom, she'd go in
and hit him with some mivercron and would kill him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Kill him because of pushing those angel of death. I'm
looking at the angel of death. What the heck? How
how did I mean, how did you even get this case?
Who came to you? Have so many questions.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Williams boys were our first client up there, and
it was through uh, my ex's family had a ranch
up in Monte County and her dad knew knew some
of the families and and next thing, you know, I mean,
and in a small town like that where all of
a sudden, like all these people are dying when they
(02:30):
go to the hospital, it's kind of like like, okay,
so mister Williams in that case, he had a tacubus
ulcer on his heel, and they'd sent them over from
the nursing home just for the cube, and bloom, he's dead.
What's in a cube? Like when you lay too long
in a in a position your body, your skin will
begin to deteriorate and it gets infected. Yeah, bed sores. Yeah,
(02:51):
and uh, he just had one on his heel. I mean,
other than that, he was totally fine. And she tells
and she actually had gone to high school with the
oldest son. And I'm drawing a blank right now on
his name because it was typical small town Texas, but
they all had different nicknames. You know, my name is Jay,
but I go by Larry or whatever. And it's killed
(03:13):
me right now because I cannot think of his first name.
And so Vicky tells him. She goes, yeah, your dad
went outside and smoke and told me he was ready
to meet his maker. And he's like, my dad never
would have said something like that, And so he starts
talking to other people and they're like, yeah, my dad
died over there, my mother died over there. And so
they all decided that they didn't want a local lawyer.
(03:33):
They wanted somebody from outside of there, and because of
my ex's family up there, they knew that I was
a lawyer, and so that's kind of how we got
those cases. And then another lawyer involved. It was a
relative of his that died up there, and I don't
remember Donna Bowen. There was a fourteen year old girl
(03:54):
who was in there for an arm surgery and she'd
have this arm surgery and she's the one who I
actually if it hadn't been for her living, it probably
still would be going on. And she four yeah, I
think she was fourteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
She The patients were one elderly and the only fourteen
years old.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Another one, Yeah, she was in there and hit a
call button because she wanted she had some pain, she
wants some paint pills. And Vicky goes in and like
when you have an iv and it's really easy just
to put a syringe in there and you squirt it
in there and you don't see a hole in the
arm or anything. So she would just squirt it through
the ivy and you would never even know what was there.
And next thing you know, she codes, and another nurse
(04:33):
came in there and saved her, and so she didn't die,
and she was able to identify that Vicky had come
into the room and then all of a sudden injected
something into her IV and she was paralyzed. And that's
that's what started the whole deal. So then we started
looking into it, and we started looking at the amount
of mivercron and they were using more mivercron at this
(04:54):
small hospital in Nakona than they were at Parkland through
the whole Parkland Health system. Yes, it was just it
was crazy. And they had a higher death rate percentage
than park I mean, it was just it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You see the numbers and you just start adding.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, And so the Texas Rangers got involved, the FBI
was involved, and they came in. They exhumed some bodies
and they one of two of our clients bodies were exhumed,
and they were actually sent to Quantico, Virginia, to the
FBI lab up there, and they developed a test for
mivercron and tissue samples because they nobody had ever done
(05:35):
this one before, and they actually developed a test for
it that now they can now test for it when
people pass, you know, die from that. But basically just asphyxiated,
it's a paralytic that just freezes your body and you
you're mentally there, but you just can't breathe and you
just literally just suffocate.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And wildly on the Sins of the South, which is
new on off Oxygen, episode twelve, which just came out
like a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is her story is it really?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah? Is it called it's called Sins of the South.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And her story is called Code Blue, a lone star
state serial killer. And it's episode twelve on Oxygen and
it just this whole show just came out in August. No, no, no, no,
just that episode. But these are all crazy stories from
the South. And she's the most recent episode twelve. And
they said what she did was the cruelest way you
(06:35):
could kill people. And she's a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And she's so stupid. Okay, so they cut these little
vile boxes and they'll have like a batch and a
lot on there so you can trace back, like if
there's recalls and stuff, they can they can trace it.
And she was taking the empty vials in the boxes home,
but wasn't like throwing them away. And so when the
Texas Rangers radio.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
House that's her were were they trophies to know?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But she had like all the empty boxes and vials
at our house. So with the box and lot number,
you can trace it back through the distributors of where
it was sold to. And it's like, okay, they all
went to Nakona and yeah, so she ended up going
away to the penitentiary.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But I say, why she did it, no, is just
kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's weird because like the Williams boys went to high
school with her in Nakona, and they were like, we
never had any issues with her. We never argued with her,
we never got into a fight with her, and they
had no idea why she did that to their dad.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You said how many?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think that there was only ten that kind of
got pulled out that the FBI really looked at. I
think the number is higher, probably somewhere one hundred or
more that died of wow. And I don't have any
proof of that other than just looking at the documentation
of all the deaths and how many vials of Mivercron
had been gone through and things like that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But they got her for ten, that's yeah, I mean,
that's that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, yeah, she's a serial killer. A trial.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't remember if they tried her. They played it
out and we actually, as much as I hate to
say this Hurricane Katrina, the one good thing it did
for us is they had filed a motion to dismiss
and we were supposed to have a hearing in New
Orleans on the day that Katrina hit New Orleans in
the Fifth Circuit and it wiped out the Fifth Circuit
Court of Appeals and they just they denied the defense's
(08:30):
motions and that's what eventually got the case resolved.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They said in December there were eleven deaths, with another
fourteen in January.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot, It's been a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
But then they got her for ten bed hospital.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
What's crazy is that nobody even figured it out earlier. Yeah,
this is odd over one hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But she had keys to the pharmacy so she could
go in there. After she would take him off the
crash cart. She would just go back in the pharmacy,
pull them off the shelf, and just go stick it
back in the crash cart.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Why did she have keys to the pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
In the hospital, because they they were just hanging there
in the nurses station.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I wonder it made her do that, Like suddenly, that's.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
What I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
He's just crazy, So it's funny you say that. So
my apartment. He's actually passed away now. But Mike farm
I love him to death. But we get a call
from Time magazine and they want to talk to us
about this, and so Mike buzzes me. I go over
to his office and he's like times on the phone.
They want to talk to us, And the reporter asked
that question, why do you think she did that? And
he goes, I don't know, maybe it's like a son
(09:35):
of Sam thing as she was talking to dogs. And
I looked at him, like, are you serious? Did you
really just say? He's like, I don't know what makes
a sociopath the sociopath. I don't know what ticked her
off to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, it just started just started killing people.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm going to watch that on OX.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I didn't realize that, so thanks, I'm actually going to
watch it. Yeah, I know. Skip Bayless wrote a really
good article in Texas Monthly about it, and he really.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I saw that too, but I can not.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
On Texas Monthly, he did.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A really really, really good, good article about it, and yeah,
it was. It was wild and we've seen just some
just some weird stuff over the years.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What else.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And it says she grew up like a normal person
with no issues and like she seems pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Scary, like she just snapped suddenly.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, and just you just never know what weird.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I wonder if she says on since.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I don't know, and I'm wondering if the interviewed her
in prisoner or something.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It looks like, I don't know, it looks like they
might have, so I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I don't know. I'm definitely gonna go check it. It
was on Hulu and Netflix Oxygen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So I don't know if that's on what what network
or what streaming service. Oxygen is on maybe Hulu, I
don't know. Probably worth watching now that we know Jay
was part of that, I actually want to watch all
of them. Yeah, that is so crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm actually peacock. Peacock, All right, there we go. Okay,
So Peacock had the Olympics on this year. Did y'all watch?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I thought I did not watch one single.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I watched all the gymnastics in the swimming and the
track and field, ping pong. I just love the races
because we were screaming at the TV. I had a
girl's like trip and we were all in the moving
room screaming like, oh, go, go go.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's just so fun.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I did see clips of the breakdown scene.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, I am actually watched the Kevin Hart and Thompson
Jill and so I got my Olympic feed through them
and the ironic party is okay. So with the taco deal,
they had the guy on there who won the Nathan's
Hot Dog eating contests this year, and I was like
(12:01):
grossed out by it. He ate like twelve pounds of
hot oil.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I can't watch that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's just it was just nasty. And he has like
this wwe looking belt, and so they had like this
huge pile of escargo and they were like how fast
can you eat this? And he's like literally just grabbing
handfuls of s cargo, like putting in his mouth and
slamming water. And I'm just like, it just grossed me out.
(12:26):
Why is that gross you out? You watch jelly Bean Rollie?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Because good point in.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The eating contest they're dipping it in water and it
looks so disgusting. And they're stuffing their mouth and I
and they're in such a hurry. The muckbangs are not
a race. The muckbangs they're enjoying a bite and they're shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
There are some girls who do the crumble cookies and
they look very pretty, a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I told Hope to start doing it. I was like,
you should do this in a swim sealed. They do nothing,
and because you know, she's a fruity too, and so
she goes, well, I could try it, but you're not
supposed to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You just eat, and they want to hear you take
a bite and chew and swallow. Some people are upset
if they don't see you swallow because there's.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Rumors that they don't.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
They chew and then when the camera clips they're spitting
it out. Not gain weight. But there's also people like
Jellybean and Sweets. She has a feeder account, meaning people
are paying her to gain weight. The more weight she gained,
some more money she's making.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I've heard of that. Yeah, we live in a wild
time career. I'm just a fat kid because I like
to eat.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
My god, you could get money, yeah, yeah, they that's
different than the food race.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
I'd rather the opposite. I'd rather watch someone compete.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
No competitors are skinny too, Like there's skinny Asian dude
that can knock some ship down.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I wonder. I just don't understand now these who are
actually eating and enjoying their food, so I like to
see them enjoy it. The wing stops a big one too.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Wings stop.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I do not like it when they have the hand
bone off.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Took the meat off that bone.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh, I don't like that one either. It's not my favorite.
But I don't know. There's a guy Keith something.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He's Keith, but he's a he's a critic. That's different.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, but he got famous on TikTok for eating. Yeah,
it's a big deal. But he's a critic. He is
a critic.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He speaks about it. Yeah, he talks about and yeah,
he's him a rating that's I like to. I can
handle that. You're going, right, I know, because it's like, Okay,
I might want to try something that I haven't been there,
and oh you know I'm seeing something different. I'll try that,
you know. But like someone's just eating like that, I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
L a b.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Eli the cactus eliot. Okay, that's weird down of expired milks.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm trying to remember. There was a taco joint that
we went to and they actually had cactus talk. It's
a gas station in Plano. It's called Tart Tiger Mart
and it's on Park Bill Bars you go over seventy
five going west on the right. Inside used to be
like a shell gas station and they actually had cactus
tacos in there. Yeah, and they actually were really good.
(15:37):
I was. I was kind of surprised.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I'm not, but that's that's pretty common. And and you
were talking about bugs and chapolinis and uh taco. They
have chapolinis which are like grasshoppers and they're fried salted.
I mean when I was younger, I used to eat
them as snacks like they would sell them and they Yeah,
(16:00):
it's like like a little crunchy protein.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I mean, grasshopper before you have you really Yeah, it's yeah, crickets, grasshoppers,
they're crickets. Yeah. It was high school during class and
I don't know, you lost. No, it's like a biology class.
The teacher is like bringing ants and stuff. You haven't
your ants, chocolate covered ants. I caught a grasshopper outside
and they are in the microwave and I ate it.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, these are like fried and then they're tossed in
like chili powder and lemon.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That sounds good.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It's it's not bad. And in Mexico City they sell
them on the streets and they caught upolas and then
they sell tacosma. You should try that. It's a pretty
good place too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I don't know if you've tried lenga you had.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm not very big on Lingua. Yeah, yeah, what is that?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I've never had and cescils, cecils. If you an't have
your head cecils, what's that? The brain.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I have, I'm not big on. One of my really
dear friends growing up. Uh, his parents say on the
planet of Tortilla factory. So that's what I learned about
Manuda and barberco Yea as a child. And that's is
really good.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And that's the chee, yeah, the cheek. And then there's
busy Bus, which is the small intestine fried up, real good.
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I'll go brain and everything, but I mean it's.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like chick chick lims, chick chicklins, Is.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That a tooth.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
No, it's like intestine, and minudo is also the stomach lining.
It's excellent when you're hungover.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's exactly what Esse used to tell me. Is the
best hangover here?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Excellent. Yeah, we don't waste the cow. We eat every
ding in Austria to the the udder. Yeah, I saw
something from probably I'm trying to remember now what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh that that they were almost an icis attacked on
Tailor Swift yes, oh yeah in Vienna, Austria. This last
week's talk about that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
There was a threat that she canceled her so three
concerts were canceled because they were having this. They literally
foiled this crazy terror attack in Vienna, Austria. My my, my,
beautiful safe.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Country, beautiful city.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, I cannot get over what's going on. That
is really sad. But yes, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
When we went to Vienna. We did the horses, the horses, yeah,
we did those, and I remember the was it the
hotel that's famous for the chocolate cake? Yeah, yes, yeah,
we did that, and I'm trying to remember the palace this. Yes,
(18:50):
it was beautiful. I really liked those pretty a very
beautiful beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
She's very homesick. I'm always homesick. Tell us about some
what else do you want to tell us about your office?
And you're everything you provide that I may not have said,
but you like ninety five percent of your cases are
settled with out litigation. That's a high percentage.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We're fortunate enough that we do it. We are able
to sell a lot of cases, and I think it's
because a lot of carriers. Now we work every case.
It's just as though it's going to go to trial,
and they know that. You know, we've tried stuff in
the past and we've had good results with it that
we'll still go ahead and try it. And I have
a different approach than some of my friends. I'm not
(19:32):
very obnoxious. We just settled a trucking case and the
general counsel from the trucking carrier, I was dealing directly
with him and he actually called and thanked me for
being polite to them, and I'm like, what do you mean,
And he's like, hease. I've never had a plan of
lawyer be nice to our claims manager or to me.
They're usually very rude. And I said, well, David, I
know that you're about to write me a very large check,
(19:54):
and so I always feguar it's easier for somebody who's
nice to you to write that check than somebody who's
just a complete jerk. I said. But you know, also,
if you start being a jerk to me, I'm you know,
a jerk back. But so we we usually have a
pretty good working relationship with people and you know, able
to get things done. A lot of our clients don't
want to go through two or three years of litigation,
and some don't mind, and I don't mind doing it either.
(20:17):
It just it depends on the case. Like we we
just did a Lexus seat back case and you know,
it's one of those that should have been settled without filing,
but we did, and you know, a year and a
half later, it settled for basically what Lexus could have
put I don't know if I was supposed to say,
okay it. You know, an automobile manufacturer could have settled
(20:41):
a case, uh for basically the same amount of money
that was settled for a year and a half later
without us and them spending a lot of money on
the case.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, what else? Do you have any other crazy stories?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
No, just I've been very blessed and have at just
some really random people and traveled a lot, and it's
a small world and it's always always fun to get out.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm glad you have those big No.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know what's funny is I never had really marketed.
All of our stuff always came through other lawyers, and
it was basically a referral based practice. And then when
COVID hit. Okay, I've got a really interesting background in
that I worked my dad on a bailbody company. So
I worked at a bail bonding company when I was
like ten years old.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh my god, colleague for jail Yeah wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I mean I was like meeting like Pimpson Hose
and I was like ten years old, things that most
kids should not be around. It's like CPS now probably
would have taken me away from my dad, but you know,
it was back in the day and he had me
when I wasn't with my mom, and you know, he
went to work and I had to go with him.
So I met a lot of criminal defense lawyers. And
(21:58):
so when I first started practicing, I had a really
good referral network from criminal lawyers and actually some of
the best cases I've ever gotten have been from criminal lawyers.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And so then when COVID hits, so many of them
either died, retired, moved out of state, or whatever. And
up until that point, I really had never done any
marketing at all. And a guy that I knew that
you see be on local news, he was like, you
need to start doing some stuff. And that's when we
started doing, you know, because before they had like, my
(22:28):
social media is private. I don't really, you know, that's
just not me. I'm not I don't like sticking stuff
in people's faces or whatever. And I lived for the moment,
so I don't like, Like, we went and saw Sebastian
Mannscola Saturday night. It was really really yeah, it was great.
And the people I was with they were taking the
(22:51):
phones out there, taking pictures and posting it crap. And
I'm like, I'm living in the moment. I want to
be here and enjoy it and not I don't really
care what other people are seeing, what I'm doing whatever.
But so Ron had talked me into making social media
public and then starting to do some of the marking stuff.
So that's when we started doing the Instagram and social media.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And then yeah, yeah, Ron did Ron did my stuff
for about a year really when I guess it's better
than doing like commercials. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, and we actually we did some ott the streaming
stuff and just it just wasn't my deal. And same
thing with like billboards and so thiss just not my deal.
But I don't mind the the se O, L S A, GMB,
that type of stuff because now everybody's on Google and
everyone's you know, looking anything on there, so and it's
(23:48):
it's amazing how many people that we have talked to
that just based on your reviews or that's why they
choose you. And I'm like, I mean, I do the
Yelp looking for a restaurant, but I don't do that
if my wife got killed and I'm looking for a lawyer.
But there's a lot of people that do, yeah, and
I'm pakful for it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
But well I also feel that like one doesn't really
know what to do, so that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, And we had so many people that moved to
Texas and during COVID, and I think it used to
be a different demographics in Texas where people always kind
of knew each other and they could ask like their
neighbors and things like that. Hey, you know, have you
ever use somebody and that type of stuff? And then
all of a sudden we get these inflectionalities out of
state people and they don't really have that background, and
(24:37):
they don't really know their neighbors, and so I think
they go to the internet now to paper stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, anybody else have any questions. But now I feel
like that was a lot of information question.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh yeah, you answered everything I know. Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So you know, when we can play pick a ball?
I keep asking that one.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Got a little small fracture my foot at the moment. No,
this was a beach in the sand injury. So as
soon as I'm back from this, we need to do
a tupash podcast beyond the table and do a little pickaball.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I hear you have this like love hate relationship with pickleball.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Me.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah, okay. I love it for a social fun thing.
I think the competitive side of it is is dumb,
like in terms of it being a sport, because it's
really it's really not anytime you can play something with
a beer or a hot dog in your hand. It's
like I love cornhole, but corn hole's not in my
opinion of sport. It's a fun game, same thing on pickleball.
(25:43):
Can a super athlete or some sort be better at
it make it look better? Sure, but it's really not.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So you're saying there's really no technique.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Very minimal, very minimal.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I mean, the breakdancing is in the Olympics, it's and
they're calling that a sport.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I am a dancer, and I find that ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I feel it's.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I can't judge believe that break dancing. Judge that before
they had put actually real dancing in. Honestly, I don't
know how a breakdancer.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But yes, I think I have to agree with Gena
on that a friend of mine actually has a pickle
ball court in his backyard. They redid a tennis court
into a pickle ball court. And his neighbor across the street.
I'm not a golfer, so I don't really know golfers,
but he had one like a major, and I guess
was like kind of a big deal golfer. And there
(26:39):
was this other Mark is like on a seventy eight
and some doctor buddy of Hisses in the seventies, and
all four of us were playing, and this old doctor
was kicking this pro golfers and so afterwards, he's like
retired and he's like mid forties, and I'm like, hey,
you know what you's like, I played golf and I'm
kind of like okay, and then afterwards like googled him, like,
(27:00):
oh god, I feel like a complete idiot. I had
no idea this guy was, but he liked that though.
I don't know. I don't think you like getting beat
up by like a seven year old utologist.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
But the whole game pick a ball is designed to
skill cap. You can't hit hard, you can't stop here,
you can't do this. It's all designed to stop people
that could be better from being better. So that's why
I think it's a fun game. It's just not a sport.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But it's actually dangerous.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, oh I know number one right now, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It really is. And I thought this was okay. So
my friend as the Super Bowl, he's going and falls,
hits his elbow and shatters his elbow.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Can't you do that playing tennis?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah? But the difference is there's it's it's like a
game that a lot of people that would not be
playing a sport are doing. And so the true ajured
lack thereof athleticism is coming out and they're getting injured.
And now some athletes get hurt, of course too, but
there's a lot of non athletes getting hurt. Pick a
(27:59):
ball goddess.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And a doctor over the Carrol Clinic told him me
of seeing more injuries now from pickleball than from anything else,
and I was shocked. But yeah, he had to do
a complete elbow replacement by my friend from playing and
the doctor world. Yeah, well he did in my elbow. Yeah,
that's hilarious. It's so funny because marks mean all this money,
(28:23):
restriping his tennis court, redoing everything. Literally it's been used
two times and it has not been touched since. He's
like the trauma nobody can use go back to that.
Wow spot, Wow, that's funny that he did your your
elbows well yeah, basketball. Yeah, he's a great doctor. He
(28:46):
did my mom's as well.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The world.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, yeah, doctor the Carrol a homie funny. Yeah, that's
really hurney. What's better. We're gonna make it happen.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Segments? Will you play segments with us?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
What segments?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, the first one will be a question of the day.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Oh gosh's starting them off easy, huh.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
The two posh girls ask the question of the day.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
All right, So.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I used this one already, but I really like it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Oh my god, I really liked that our guest answers
first J Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And uh. I definitely want to hear this from you.
So again, conspiracy theories, what about it? I want to
hear if you believe in them, and tell me one
that you believe in.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I think there are some conspiracy theories out there that
are probably true, and I'm trying to think of one
right now that I get like an instantly, A. I believe,
like like I do believe that there are uh aliens.
I gonna come up with that, and what really, I
(30:11):
just think we would be naive to think we're the
only thing in this universe.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And now with the stuff that's starting to come out
with these spider jets where they're seeing the you know,
orb there and all of a sudden just disappears there's
something going on there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, I'll belie even further. I think they're living amongst us.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That I'm not a thousand percent convinced to that, but
it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, Reptilians, the grays.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
My mom has a friend whose husband said he was
abducted by aliens.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I believe it in Germany, he said, she believes, so,
I don't know if I believe. No idea. It was
quezy talk for me. I mean, I've never heard on
the show exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Come on, I will. I will say this my uncle
in your old enough not trying to make a well,
no Marcella and paying attention. But do you remember when
Reagan was present, they did the SDI, that Strategic Defense Initiative.
It was like a Star Wars program. Okay, So my
uncle was one of the lead scientists on that, and
(31:17):
he actually, I used to joke, and I was in
high school that he developed the re entry system for
the Space Shuttle, the tiles that flew off that time.
That was what Wally had designed and which almost caused
it to blow up. And when he died, there were
certain government agencies that showed up at his widow, my
dad's sister's house, and they wanted to know everybody he
(31:39):
had talked to, like in the last six months, who
had been there to visit them. And they literally took
her computer from their house without a search one or anything,
and took it, did something whatever, and brought the computer back. Now,
I think they went through to Checht to see if
Wally had had emailed or what he had done, and
he had been to Area fifty one before, but he
wouldn't never tell us what was out there. So yeah,
(32:01):
I think there's there's things like that that go on
that we'll never know about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
One, the all these crazy statues and buildings that were
made that nobody can explain.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, so we'll totally get into that now now now
cruise has gotten there. So how do you explain this one?
If you look at the pyramids in Mexico, like at Chitsenitza,
and then you look at the pyramids in Egypt, they
are within like a half of inch of each other
in their dimensions and they're on the exact same parallel line.
So how did these people thousands of years ago, who
(32:36):
obviously we didn't have Twitter or TikTok backward? Did we?
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Or there's a huge thing that we're actually in decline
or not. Actually as far as the technologe as, we
think technology was better back then, yep, for great reset
restarted us.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But how else could they have known that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They say that about these crazy churches and all over
Europe too. Yes, yeah, how could they have painted that
and and built it when they had nothing?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, Now the one day I will disagree with Gino
on I do not I do not believe the Earth
is flat. I do believe that around and I do
not believe that either, but that the moon landing was
a Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Million So we haven't gone back.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That's a lot of people say there's no reason because
we already went that's their argument.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I believe we're still going into space, but we're still
going to space.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And there's those poor people that just went up there
for Boeing and it's worse than an American flights, Like
I'd rather be delayed three hours, and you're going to
be up here for a year.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Oh no, no, Yeah, they went.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That space show and now they got to wait for
like an uber to pick them up and out the
space to bring him back to America.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, because they're stuck in the space station.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
About that panic attack suppose from Russia though, right, Yeah, supposedly.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
The Challenger did not have a crew on board. They're
all still alive. They're all still Challenger crew did not perish,
and the Challenger explosion.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So did Kennedy die in a plane crash?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Kennedy died in a plane crash, but he was killed.
It wasn't an accident.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Sounds right to me.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Never get on YouTube flags.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
There's some people that think that they never died.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
That it was like a there's a there's an underground
place they'll go the contract.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Elvis is still alive, he's working, he's the.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Basketball player, and his daughter Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, I feel a lot of those people died because
of and this is a conspiracy theory, but they knew stuff.
They're gonna let stuff out, and that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
You also have a contract date, your contract runs out,
and your fame, and that's you gotta you submit to
the price.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
After your soul when you sign your soul.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
All right, does anyone have any gossip gossip? You know,
any gossip you have any Britney Spiers gossip?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wants to know that. I don't know who Britney Spears is.
I've never heard.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You could never tell us.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And the funny part is, as we were sitting here talking,
well the whole second, her brother was calling me, oh yeah,
and Brian was sending her text it's there's some stuff
going on with with her and uh quessions that there's
(35:52):
some stuff going on there. Brother, it's it's a completed story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I know. I would never put you in a place.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
To tell I will say this much. Her dad is
not the person that the media has made him out
to be, and her brother is not the person that
(36:21):
the media has made Brian out to be. And it's
it's truly sad on what people that have never met
anyone involved with that family I would say or do
when they don't know that the true story, what's.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Really going I know you're very close with them, so.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I've known them for it for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And that's really sad. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's it's it's it's it's different.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And that's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It's all I can say.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think what.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Will we ever get bringing back? Well, she have a comeback?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I don't know, I really don't. I don't know if
she ever will or won't.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, well you got her sister singing all her stuff,
so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It Brits is different. I can believe with that. Is
she still alive. She is still alive. I will one
thousand percent, so.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That whole conspiracy, it's not even conspiracy. There used to
be a Dallas DJ that said he saw that there
was a car accident, and that is true, not true.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You would know, I will say, as of yesterday, I
have to look six thirty, she was so lot.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, this is Monday, August twelfth.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Definitely, so she definitely was in Mexica. She definitely definitely
was so live.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
All right, So let's go to our special sexual health segments.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
It's not gonna be that bad to join us as
we explore the latest in sexual health education, answer your
burning questions, and break down the taboos that often surround
this essential aspect of our lives. It's time for sexual
health on the Two Posh Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's very professional. We're gonna go back to our yes
no maybe last random sex. Random someone you meet it,
you barely know their name, You into.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
It, Yeah, Gina, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
No, absolutely no.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Cruise randoms like like just.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I've never had a one night stand in my entire life.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Same, so what the first time that, I mean, you
meet them, go out with a couple.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Of dates, that's not random, that's that's different.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
No, No, but I'm saying that's how you always got
to get to know them, got to get to know them.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Okay, my numbers pretty.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm also too terrified that I'm be murdered, So I've
never never gone home with anyone.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'm scared to death. I don't know you the hell?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then have you seen like the the news where
they're saying that Houston has like all these high rates
of STDs down there.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I've heard that from Dallas and Dallas either.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, I mean that's one thing. I am clean. I
know that, and I don't don't want to have any
of those deals. And so that's kind of but.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
There's always protection, like of course, I mean, I don't
have any kids that I know of.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I know my office is convinced that we almost played
a joke on them one day and had somebody show
up and act like that they had to like they're
by child. It would have been pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Funny for that, really funny. You may get a lot
of views for that.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, the best one that was we had a receptionist
who convinced the EPs driver that she was my illegitimate daughter.
God it was pretty funny. She was a mixed half Hispanic,
half African American and and he's like, there's no And
so she had made that this whole story about was
a one night staying with her mom. And so finally,
instead of arguing with Alicia all the time, I'm like, yeah,
(40:45):
it was just a bad decision on my point.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Her work.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Now, I don't know if we have time. This is
is really pretty funny. So we used to take our
office on a office trip every year, and so we
had gone down a coastrin We're doing one of those
like catamaran things. We have you multiple people on there,
and I was my best friend from undergrad owns a
model engage in Atlanta and Sydney, and I had broken
them and she's set me up with one of her
clients and Mary Courtney's very attractive. And we're down there
(41:15):
and there's a couple next to us from Philly, African Americans,
and Alisa comes walking around and she goes daddy, and
I'm sitting there and I'm like, I know exactly where
this is going. And she goes daddy and the black
lady looks at at the guy she's with and he goes, hey,
my fucking daughter. I'm like, yeah, Alisha. And so then
(41:39):
the girl had been day and looks at me like
what I'm like, just go along with it. And so
then so I go back to the back of the
boat and there's this lady who had a autistic child.
And you can ask my office this still this day
laugh about this. She goes, how can he get a
girl like that? And my son can't. I'm like, I
love like an autistic part as far as my billion
(42:01):
I can go out with.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
God.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, like I said, my life has been just so random,
un just random stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I know that is fun, but at least you have
a lot of stories. Yeah, are you dating?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
No, No, there's a pause.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Dating can be very vague because.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You were dating maybe.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I think the word was talking talking words before dating.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, you talk, and then some things happened and we're
no longer talking, okay, And so the truth always comes
out in the wash.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
And I feel though dating nowadays is it's it's taking
a turn because when you date, like, it's okay to
date multiple people because you're dating. I think I feel
as long as you're straight up i'm dating this person,
I'm dating. I got to get to know people, and
then when you find someone that interests you, then maybe
(43:08):
you you know, become official or just be you know,
just dating that one person. But I feel it's okay.
And this is just my opinion that you know, when
you're dating, as long as you're straight up, I mean,
that's how you do it. You date multiple people to
find out who you're gonna like.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I agree with that, right, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I don't think it's a bad thing as long as
you're straight up with it.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This is funny though. So we we had a dinner
Saturday night and I had taken our marketing people out
to dinner and we had given one of them a
gift from Tiffany's and she posted a deal about she
had like a Tiffany's bag and breakfast at Tiffany's was
by the background, and I had multiple people, I know,
they're like, do you have a girlfriend or ring this thing.
(43:56):
When we started doing social media, I'd like some of
my friends from my school like did you get married?
I'm like, no, it's an r rate, but yeah, just
like random things like that, and then people are of
a sudden they jump to a conclusion it's like, I
mean because Turn attacked me into in the deal. I'm like, no,
it's my social media people that know that's not not
(44:17):
the deal.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, well, anything else from anyone who want to Jake.
If everybody your social media where they can find you
and your website.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Our website is very easy. It's jaywins dot com. That's
so great and so it's pretty simple at seven letters.
And then it's Jay Murray Underscore Law on Instagram. As
I always tell everybody, We're always happy to answer questions
no matter what it is, and even if it's not
something that we can help you with, will always help you.
Try to find somebody that can.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That is awesome. You're amazing. Thank you for coming on
the show. I know, thank you, thank you so much,
and thanks for rating the tako. Yeah, such a good.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
You want to take one more bite and see.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Hi. I'm Olivia Gooley. I'm one of the gossip girls
here at tupash Podcasts.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
You can find me on Instagram at Liv's World and
if you need me, I'll be crying my Bentley.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I'm Marcella, co host of the Tupash podcast. You can
find me on all social media platforms. Marcellainery. You can
also find me on TikTok Marcella Roinary seven and I
say whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, my name is krus Koffer. You can find me
on Instagram. And that's pretty much it and let's do
some tequila together on the next show.
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