March 8, 2024 • 54 mins
Devra Jacob's has written a new book... A Happy Move
Transformations with Tara
Tara Sutphen CHt & Jason D McKean CHt will discuss how to have a productive and less stressful move with Author Devra Ann Jacobs. Devra's book is filled with "what to do and what not to do" suggestions. Everything you need to know before and after the boxes are packed.
Transformations with Tara
Tara Sutphen CHt & Jason D McKean CHt will discuss how to have a productive and less stressful move with Author Devra Ann Jacobs. Devra's book is filled with "what to do and what not to do" suggestions. Everything you need to know before and after the boxes are packed.
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Welcome to Transformations with Tara. I'mTara Sutton and my guest today is devra
And Devrah Jacobs has written a bookcalled a Happy Move And we all move,
we all move around, we allhave to clean. Spring cleaning is
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here, and so Devraah is goingto give us lots of good tips on
how to how to really clean upour life and get our spring cleaning and
getting our moving because moving can besuch a pain, and helping us create
great lives. And then I haveJason de m kean. He is my
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co host, and he is thevoice of over a million own recordings throughout
the world, and he has abig line of Ome Records, and he
has a new pop song too thatit's just in correct edible Jason, It's
just so beautiful and thank you,thank you. Yeah, I mean I
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would really like to see him domore of that for sure. And then
he also has a website with alot of own meditations on it as well.
So welcome Jason. Oh it's agreat literary agent too. Guys,
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so books you now know who tocome to. Thank you. I'm okay,
So tell us about how you decidedto write this book. Dev I
was actually in a conversation with whatis now my publisher about they were going
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to be moving and just talking tohim about moving, and they said,
wow, you really need to writehis book, and we really need to
publish this book. Way, I'mnot a writer, so I wat to
my best friend Brett Elders, whois a professional writer, and said,
I'll give you the information if youwrite the book. And so we wrote
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it together and it's been a greatexperience. And again, what is the
title of the book? A HappyMove? A happy move because that's what
you want to have. Oh,yes, well, you know I would
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say that every move there's such aanxiousness about it. I think people are
really anxious, very frustrated. Imean, it takes a lot of time
to do the right packing, youknow, all of it, what to
take. It's like one of thetop stressors next to death and a divorce.
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So it's really important that people don'ttend to think about it until they
have to do it right. Butwhat's the what's like the number one thing?
What's the starting point for having ahappy move? Planning, organizing,
h if you like. In thebook, we walk you through in steps
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from before, during, and afterbecause if you plan it properly, it
can be you know, fun andvirtually stress free. If you don't,
then when all these things suddenly arise, you're going to go into panic.
I mean people end up fighting withtheir spouses. I mean, it's a
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huge amount of stress, you know. And so we walked through every aspect
of it, from how to pack, how to purge your house, you
know, how to hire the rightpeople to move you. And it's very
well organized this way. So sowhat I was hoping that you said was
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you read my book first. That'sthe absolute number one starting point. You
buy the book first. You buythe book, and then you read it,
and then you're like, you startright. One of the things we
did different in this book from theregular books is we made this book spiral
bound, because there's all kinds offorms in the book to fill out,
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so you have everything right there atyour fingertips and it's just a really cool
design, right right. So it'sa workbook almost. You know that you
can keep track of what you're doing, you can keep everything in one place,
and as long as you throw yourbook in your suitcase with you,
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then you have everything that you're goingto need on the other end as well.
Right, well, I tend tothink that if you know when somebody's
moving, that it's that last minutething that's really hard because you know,
people who lease homes or they're goingto move into, say they're buying another
home. You know, it's alwayslike a timing. You have to get
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ready for something, but you know, you need your silverware until the last
day, You need your you know, you need certain things the last few
days. But yeah, we talkedabout that in the packing section of the
of the book, because you haveto have what I call the go box.
You know, it's that last boxwhere you know and you mark everything
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according to what we say in thebook, and you know when you get
to wherever it is, that boxis going to hold your extra toothpaste,
your shower soap, your shower curtain. How many times do people move and
they get there and they want totake a shower and they're like, oh,
now, I got to go finda Walmart that's open at midnight.
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You know, So you want tohave everything in this one specific box that
has the extra silver web preferably plasticso you can throw it away, but
it has everything right there. Soyou're prepared right right, because you know,
because it's it's a big thing.It's a big thing. Last time
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that I moved, it was veryfunny I had I had it was having
a seminar in Sedona, and oneof the guys that was there said,
I would like to help you move, and I said okay. Anyway,
so when we were moving, hewas deep in the storage unit I had
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and and grabbing stuff out and somebodysaid, how how did you get here?
And he said, uh, myspirit guides told me to help tear
move And it was just like,oh my gosh. It was just so
cute. You know, his fairguides don't know me, you know it.
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And because I am metaphysical, likeyou want, I always tell people,
you know, you can utilize yourgifts in this process. You know,
when you're getting estimates from overs andthey're coming at your house and you
get that inner feeling of oh,I don't know about this company, don't
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hire them. You know, you'reyou're being told by your guides that this
is this is going to go sideways. Yeah. Yeah, if you have
red flags, you know, listento those red flags absolutely. Yeah.
I call those shamonic signs. Andyou have red flags when things don't go
easy. No, please don't dothem. Yeah yeah, or the whole
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concept of it is fourteens to goeasy. Yes, that's the concept.
That's concept. I love it.I do love it. Yeah. But
the thing is is that I feelthat moving is a is really a big
progress for many people. I mean, you know, are they doing the
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right thing? Sometimes they're moving toplaces they don't really want to move to,
or but but you know that canbe giving it a chance. Well,
I mean, if you do itright, it's an adventure. It
can be a journey. It doesn'thave to be a Oh god, what
you know, I don't know anythingabout this place. You know, we
talked in the book with tips likeif you're moving to little city never been
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to, you know, on Facebookand find their local pages and ask questions,
you know, what do you havegoing on there? What kind of
schools are there? Who are thebest doctors and dentists? And if you
know these things before you ever arrive, then especially if you're moving with kids,
which can be really really hard,you can have them exciting you know
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about it. Yeah yeah, wellyou know, I have a couple of
kids moving right now, So youknow, it's been interesting and it's interesting
on the amount of time that youdo give give it. You know,
what would you say would be theideal amount of time for most people,
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like two months, three months outyou don't really need it. If you
buy the book, Okay, you'regoing to actually do it within thirty days
anywhere that you're going, Yeah,you know, because you can pre plan
everything from packing, you know,moving, when they're going to pick up,
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when they're going to deliver. Everythingcan be organized. The probably the
most time consuming thing in anybody's moveis the package. And if you follow
the inspirations I offer in the book, you want to purge before you ever
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even buy a box. You know, get rid of all those things that
don't serve you, or the furniturethat you know it may or may not
fit in your new location. Youknow, sell things, donate things,
you know. I knew one womanwho moved all the clothes that she had
all the way back to high school. And she goes, but I still
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wear the same size, I said, but do you wear these clothes?
What Most moves are priced, especiallyprofessional members by weight. Why move stuff
that is going to wait? Iwas thinking the other day about my daughter
and I with kitchen stuff. Welove kitchen stuff, but every time we
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move, we off that nine dollarstoaster that we can buy new on the
other end, right, you know, anything like that you don't need,
get rid of it, and thenyou start packing in kind of an order
of what you know you're not goingto need, like if it's July,
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you're not going to need your Christmasdecorations, you know, and you pack
in order what it is. Whatwould you recommend for someone such as myself
who has a very hard time likeletting go of things, you know,
because as an artist, as amusician is it's like there's an accumulation of
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stuff. My wife hates it,you know, She's just like, you
know, get rid of it,and it's like, no, I can't.
It's a part of me. Verytidy. She is the test person
I know, I think, Butwhat about the untidy you have to balance?
I have a pretty expensive rock incrystal collection. It's heavy, But
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am I going to part with it? Oh? No, no way.
So you figure out what has thatpurpose in your life if it really doesn't,
and just sort of hanging onto itbecause oh someday I might need this
then you need to get rid ofit. But what if because I am
that person, it's like, youknow, I hang on to stuff,
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you know, because sometimes it supplies. You know, it's for the kind
of the next project and all.It's like it's all important and I'm not
getting rid of any of it.But that's fine. You can keep it
all. But you may want tothink, depending on your budget, do
I want a diy not do Iwant to do a pot of it or
a rental truck. Because you're goingto keep all that, it's going to
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weigh a lot probably, you know, and you can keep it all,
but you have to figure out,Okay, what siced truck am I going
to move with that? I needall this to fit in a big like
Mayflower, you know, like Iknow, I've helped all the kids move
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gosh on my step kids back inthe day move. I mean, we
had the warehouse of five thousand squarefoot warehouse. We had different you know,
little little way we'd rent you know, all sorts of storage units.
I mean we you name it,we were. But that's again umulating room
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to do if you want to budgetfor it. You know, if you're
going to have to use a Mazewhile United Vandlines and that. Actually,
this is part of the process ofgetting people to come out to your house
to do estimates. The big legitimatecompanies, you want to get three estimates
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where they come out, they lookat everything got and they figure out and
they're really good about this, figuringout how many boxes you're going to use.
You know what your weight's gonna endup being. And then if you're
going with a legitimate company, inthe contract you always read the fine print
of the contract. They can onlycharge you a certain percentage above their estimate,
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so you may find, yeah,it's worth an extra five hundred dollars
or one thousand dollars to keep allmy goodies. A lot of people don't.
I mean, I've kind of gotit down to where I can pack
an entire sea bedroom house in aboutforty eight hours. Wow, you've done
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this? How many times? Howmany moves? I've done twenty nine big
moves and a lot of little movesjust between houses and apartments. But you
know, and if you pack yourself, there's like I've got all these videos
that I've been putting up on YouTubeon our a Happy Move book page on
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YouTube. Is that what it's calledon YouTube, like if you get a
Happy Move book and you can seeways to pack means that I've learned along
the way. I learned very youngwatching my parents move. They always had
professional movers, and I just watchedwhat they did and went, oh,
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I didn't know you could wrap yourfurniture and if we keep it from getting
scratched. I didn't know you onlyquit heavy stuff on the bottom. And
I didn't know. You know,you've got to pack all the way to
a solid top so you don't havecrushing. I've learned this over these twenty
nine moves, and so I tryto share with people. You know,
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most breakage comes from the vibration ofthe truck, not the way you pack.
So if you pack, I mean, keep out all your sweaters and
sweatshirts and T shirts and all thatfor pack material because it reduces your vibration.
Yeah, there's all kinds of tricksthere. Yeah, that's what I
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did when I moved from the ranch, you know, I mean on my
house in town and then my ranchhouse. But it was yeah, use
everything to pack with. Yeah,the packing materials do not have to be
an expensive part of your move.People think they do. The most expensive
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part of your packing materials is gettingyour boxes, and you can get them
really cheap at places like home depot. I always recommend buying new boxes so
when you go to load that truck, everything's uniform and it isn't going to
shift and move when you stop fastor you're not putting together a puzzle.
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You're talking to load the track andyou're like, oh, these boxes just
they're not uniform. So I alwaystell you could go ahead and invest in
that. But for packing material Imean, don't hit a recycling place.
For newspapers if you're on a budget, there's lots of waste, right right,
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I mean because since we don't reallyhave newspapers anymore, there's not a
lot of newspaper to use anymore.Remember that was the big thing, is
to use newspaper. I like thepaper that you just buy the packing paper
because the newspaper you get black allover. Other then yeah, yeah,
yeah. The ink. As aliterary agent, it's like, are you
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happy that the ebook exists? Becauseyou know, like schlepping around books,
I mean those are heavy, thoseboxes of books. Once you start like
that's fine, I know, It'slike Tara's a million books. I have
a whole bookcase of just civil warbooks, you know that are history,
and it's just like, oh mygod. That's why I've lived here for
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twenty years because I don't want tolike pack those up and schlep them around.
I think I'm old school. Ilike a book I can hold on
to and turn the pages. Youknow, if people have like the newer
iPads, I think you can actuallyget a kindle book and write in it
on the iPads. So that wouldbe okay for the foreignsider in this book
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that I like having a physical book, especially on a move when when I
get to the other end and theyhave it turned on my utilities, I
want to be able to pup thatbook open, know exactly who to call,
what my account number is, thedate that they were supposed to turn
it on, and be able toyell at somebody, not have to try
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and find an eight hundred number anddo the whole connection thing and what was
my account you know, when was. It's all proper planning, and that's
part of your book as far aslike like letting people know that, you
know, reminding them right that it'slike when you get to your new place
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it's like you have to turn onthese services. And absolutely there's forums in
this for everything. You know,it's the who your utility company is prior
to moving, which is equally asimportant because you want to make sure their
turnoff date happens. And the newcompany that you're moving to, I mean
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everything from banking, doctors, DennisBET's homeopaths. You want everything. So
when you get to that new placeand you go in to see that new
doctor and they say, well,where do we send the referral for your
records? You go, wait aminute, let me gorab my book right
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here, right right? Being organizedand yeah, with utilities, I always
some of the tips in there isI don't have utilities set for the date
you're supposed to move, because themovers may not show up. You may
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be there for two more days,right right right? Do you acquire stuff
that like, do you have likea predisposition where it's like if something weighs
too much, it's like you're alreadythinking ahead saying, you know what,
I don't have to move this,I don't have to. Well, I
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wish I did every time. Everytime I know, if I started firing
anymore is done. I collect dragons. I collect angels, I collect nons,
my special little things, and itdoesn't matter what they weigh, they're
going with me, right right,right, Yeah, I have a record
collection. I don't have a returntable anymore, but I'm gad one they
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got them. Yeah, my bigthing of a big purchase I didn't take
with me that I wish i'd take. You know, I still can get
I'm in touch with the people tohave it. But it was a big
bear. I had one of thosebig, huge bears, you know,
at the rest, and I justwas like, oh, how am I
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going to get this down to,you know, the other house? And
so I did leave it with somepeople. They came with a tractor and
moved it. You know, it'slike I should just have the tractor,
you know, go down. Andit's important that you know that for international
moves, and we have a sectionof the book on the international moves.
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I moved to Korea, and whileI was in Korea, I thought the
most gorgeous hand carved wooden living roomsat. Oh. What I found out
was I couldn't afford to bring itback. I had to leave it in
free it right see, that wouldbe just heartbreaking yeah, something is so
beautiful, right and have to leaveit behind, you know, the bear
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is not it's so beautiful, butit was fun, right, Yeah.
And you mentioned that like you werepart of a military family. Is that
why you were like moving around?Well, I'm briefly married to the army
okay, but that was only forlike five years, which encompassed four moves.
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And that five years. Wow.And because of the experiences I had
with the military moves, we puta chapter in the book for military news,
and there's a whole reference guy atthe back of the book where you
can go to and find more supportfor all kinds of different things. But
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on the military move I think,you know, that was only five years
of my life. I think I'mjust a born gypsum. Well, I
definitely somebody who moves around lot inthe world. You know, I'm like
on planes all the time. AndI mean Jazz Jason knows. You know,
it's like sot for me because youknow I'm leaving you know, every
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everything's but I accumulate, you know, we just accumulated another center, a
treatment room. I'm an accumulator.But now it's like, uh moving,
moving is just like uh that Idon't like to do. I don't like
to move my house. Nobody likesto move. I mean, it's not
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a Yay I get to move acat. It's always a oh Lord,
where do I start for a move? It could be exciting, Yeah,
it can be very exciting for me. It's always an adventure. I mean
I do stupid things. Like Iwas in Arizona and I really didn't like
where I was, And I lookedat my daughter, who was probably like
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twelve back then, and I said, I think we're going to get on
Interstate forty and go east until wehit the ocean. She was like,
okay. She knew, you know, by then in her life she knew
we were moving all the time.And we packed at a U haul and
stayed on forty and ended up livingon an island. Offered North Carolina because
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that's where the road ended, youknow. So I kind of do these
wonderless kind of things. You know. I got wiped out by a hurricane
in North Carolina. Well North Carolinacan, yeah, I like, where
are we going to go? X? I was offered a job in Seattle.
I was like, well, welost everything in the hurricane, so
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sure fly us out you know,it's it's I think these things come up
for people that they aren't expecting.You know, they get offered a job,
or they graduate college and get offereda job cross country I mean always
moving, yeah, always. Iknow some people just really you know,
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move and then some people stay andnever leave their town. Climate wise,
you know, it's like, youknow, going from a place like you
know, North Carolina to Seattle,right, it's like there's a change in
weather and the environment. So youknow, it's like you have to be
open to that. Right. Well, it's really important when you're moving to
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be aware of the climate. WhenI knew that moved from North Carolina to
Seattle, I didn't think about checkingthe weather. We landed in the worst
snowstorm that ever had in Seattle.But we're stuck at the airport for five
days. Oh another move we madeto North Carolina, because I've done that
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three times. I love the Carolinas. We didn't check the weather as we
were driving cross country, and ifwe had checked while we were going through
Oklahoma, we could have gotten ahotel and stay at night and avoided what
we did, which was pulling inin the middle of a hurricane. Oh.
My god, the weather is important, right, yeah, do you
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do you cover you know, someof that as far as you know part
of the pre like if if itis like winter time, let's say,
right, it's like you know,moving from a more southern climate to a
northern climate. It's like, youknow, make sure that you're you're preparing
for you know, getting to aclimate that is it's going to be different,
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it's going to have its own youknow trickiness. And I found out
moving to the south from the Westis something you pack. You want to
actually put rice in with your boxesbecause if they're going to be stored for
any period of time on a truckin humidity, teams are going to know
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there. When we moved to NorthCarolina, the first time we arrived literally
the night before nine to eleven,we didn't see our stuff for eight weeks
when some of the stuff got therebecause of where this truck had been parked,
you know, during the catastrophes thatwere going on, a lot of
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the stuff was damned. You know, so really chat where it is you're
going, and that brings in internationalmoods too, you know, we find
out what the weather may be like. One of the people I was talking
to about moving in mood to CostaRica And it was winter in Minnesota and
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he was wearing a sweater and aheavy coat and he landed almost at the
airport from the ZM. You know. So all these little things is what
I really tried to cover in thebook. Right. Well, and then
you have your one, like Ihave one child moving to Europe. It's
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like she's leaving all her stuff withme. She needs those books. Yeah,
oh yeah, she does need this. But there are almost there,
she leads in a few weeks.There are things with international news that I
learned from my trip to Korea.When you're moving to another country or in
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the language, find out what's availablewhat isn't. I landed in Korea,
in the village that I was actuallygoing to be living in, nobody's buggling
with. I was completely ill prepared, you know, And that it's a
nice thing to do as Americans.It shows respect. Yeah, well she
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has but yeah, so she doesn'thave to worry that way. But that's
awesome. The thing is is that, oh my gosh, you know,
that would be just that, thatwould be lonely, maybe even in somewhere
like Korea, it can be frustrating. And when my daughter had just turned
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to the day we flew to Korea, I had some diapers in my suitcase.
I figured when I got there,I go buy diapers. You know,
they didn't sell diapers, No theydidn't. You know, this was
back in the eighties, but itwas like, you don't use diapers.
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No, they probably didn't use youknow, plastic Bobby training name twenty four
hours. Oh my god, Ibelieve she was too. Yeah, Oh
my gosh. So was there aa move, a particular move that stands
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out as far as like one thatwas just like a really like horrible experience
or memorable And that's how you learn. Right, Hopefully when you use the
book, you won't have to gothrough when you when you read some of
the stories that my daughter and Iwent through on some of these moves,
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you're going to be like, Idon't know how they ever moved again after
that. One of them my daughterwas reminded me of the other day was,
well, we were in Seattle areaand we hadn't seen the sun in
like six months. It's like,this is horrible. We're going to rent
a truck. We're going to geton Interstate one on one and we're going
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to head south until we find sun. And so we rented that. We
got the trailer to pull the car. I never thought to ask anybody for
how do you back up the truckwhen you have a trailer? Well where
he hit the worst rain in northernCalifornia. Found this place in the dark
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to pull over. It was likea rest stop. We get the we
get parked at everything, and thenwhen the sign came out, I couldn't
get out of the parking spot.I had no idea that when you back
up the truck, you have theopposite direction to get the trailer to go
the way you want to. Andall these truck drivers before part to the
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same place, we're laughing at meas I'm trying to figure out how Tom
guiver my way out of this parkingspace. So you know that that one
brought me really quickly. Ask youknow, don't assume you can figure this
stuff out. Ask get them todrive you around the parking lot before you
leave. No know what this thing, this big thing you're suddenly getting in,
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is going to do. Right.So did any of those truck drivers
help? Did they like, Well, yes, I would, I would
still be there. It wasn't findthis of one truck driver that came up
and it was like from the salesand he was he was, what I
am to not help? You knowthis? He jumped to the truck in
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like two seconds, boom boom.I was out. Yeah. It's like
if that happened today, right,it's like you know, they would just
everyone pull out their phone and justvideo you, like you know, and
it's just like and can anyone justhelp? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I've run into some crazy things withmeeting assistance because I wasn't smart enough to
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ask. And at a time,we were coming down the mountain out of
Flagstaff going to California, pulling acar on the trailer and my daughter said,
something feels weird. Well, thecar was trying to off the trailer
on an interstate sixty miles an hour. We had that pulling over. We
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were stuck for three hours and onehundred and twenty degree heat with two dogs,
a cat, my daughter, mygranddaughter, myself waiting for someday from
the company to come put the cubback on the trailer. That sounds brutal,
that's brutal. Yeah, you know, I make yeah, yeah,
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I usually make when I'm going acrossthe desert, if I have the dogs
with me or kids, I makean what I call an iceberg and I
take I take bags of ice andput it into a black bag and put
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it in the back seat, sothat you know that ice at least we
have that ice to mount. Wehad a cool but when you have three,
you know, you have all thesepeople in a truck and you know,
two dogs in your lap, it'skind of hard to figure out where
you're going to put the cooler.Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah.
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And if you have stuff, ifyou're moving right, it's like you're
gonna just pack it to the gillsanyway. Right, Well, when you're
doing a di ryman, if youknow you have your stuff with you,
you know it's all right there inthe truck with you, So you're not
thinking as much. Like when Idid done cross country models and I'm driving
my suv. The back of thesuv has the cooler, as the air
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mattresses has the silverware, the coffeepot, everything I'm gonna need because I
don't know when you know, myTV's in there, my computers in there,
were you going to have room forall that? That nice Korean furniture
anyway, you know, like lateron I would have made room. It
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was beautiful. I had each ofthe arms were hand carved lion heads,
man, and it was heavy.Mm hmm what stuff like that. See,
I would have a really hard timebecause I'm a Leo. I would
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have a really hard time letting goof that Korea. I'm just you know,
I'm a fixture in Korea. Now. It's it's like because of a
couch, because of a couch,my couch, right, fine, don't
anyone come near me. I lovethat I took. My parents had just
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passed away right before I moved toSan Diego, and they had all this
gorgeous old, old furniture, andI'm like, I am not getting rid
of this. And I paid afortune to move to San Diego. Within
the first week I was there,I had to sell it off. I
have no place for it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, proper planning,
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Well I've done that too. Youknow, I'm just too many,
you know, I start to spreadout to too much stuff in too many
places. I think. You know, one of the things with this book,
even if you're not going to bemoving and you don't think you're going
to be moving. You should readthe book anyway, because when my parents
passed away, it I mean literallywe had the largest dumpster you could get
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in their driveway and we filled itjust with stuff to throw away, you
know. So that's sort of whenI made the decision. We were talking
before the show about living minimalistic.I decided I would never do that to
my daughter. So I go through. I constantly go through, and things
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that are not precious to me Iget rid of. I want to know
that if I suddenly had to move, that I could throw it all in
the truck, have to be gonereally quickly and not have any access or
God forbid something happened to me.She wouldn't have to go through everything.
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Well, I have like horses.It's been like okay, you know,
like my kids don't all bride,So so what am I going to do
someday, you know when I crossover and with my horses, you know,
because I don't seem to like goingout of not riding horses. So
the thing is is that you justmake you make decisions for yeah where there?
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Yeah, yeah I don't ride.I'm not going to take I'm not
going to start mucking stalls. That'snot my thing. We have animals.
We have two dogs and a catchand a chameleon. Oh look that does
the comedian? Does it interact withthe with the others. My daughter is
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like a cha million experts and uh, you should have seen us trying to
move with the chamelion. Well,tell us, well what happened? Well,
because she is an expert, sheknew exactly how you're supposed to box
them and they go to sleep andyou have to miss them every so many
hours. And when you get tohotels you've got to open them up,
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and you know you have go away. You have to beat them and miss
them. And she knew all thisstuff, which you know it can you
know? This is why there's awhole chapter on pets in the book Pets
are hard to move sometimes. There'sa story in there about the screaming cat
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that my daughter wanted to leave itin Donald's because it was screaming in the
car going across country for four hours. But if you think about things like
that ahead of time, then youknow what your animal is going to be
like. You know whether or notyou moved at tap into a vat and
tranquilizers or stock up on the homeopathicrescue remedy. That's a great book title,
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The Screaming catc Donald's. The storywas pretty fun of you read it.
I ended up with the cat inmy car for the next day and
a half. Hmm, yeah,I bet, I bet? So.
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Are you have you moved lately?Are you staying put? You think?
What are you doing? And Isay this very cautiously because every time I
made comments like this, suddenly Iwent back. But we've actually been in
the same place with three days inNY. It'll be three years longest I've
ever been on one location. ButI promised my granddaughter when we moved here
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that we would not move until shegraduated college. Oh, she doesn't want
to move now. She was sotired of being drug around. My daughter
was used to it, my granddaughterhated it, and so I made a
commitment we will stay in the sameplace. Now. Will I stay in
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the same building? Probably not?Yeah, but you know, because I
got to get that shifted energy.But I will be staying here for at
least another three and a half yearsto us to graduates. Yeah, I
know, I got I could settlein. You know, I like settling
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in and then going off from wheremy home base is. And it's funny
because I'm a tourist in Normaltorians.Yeah, and they want you know,
they want their place, and Idon't know where my planets are, but
they're obviously not in Well it's theascendant in your mars probably, you know,
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so you have movement there. Ilike ranting, I like, okay,
thirty days notice by see yeah,yeah exactly. I mean there's a
freedom in that too, you know, as far as like you know,
you're not just locking yourself into aparticular place, you know, unless unless
you need to really hunker in andyou know, fulfill something that's that's already
(41:38):
like set out. But if you'rein that that space of like, okay,
what's the next, what's the next? You know, it's like gives
you some some freedom to to moveabout and to you know, see what
you like. My daughter is alwayssaying, what you need to do is
buy a house and take vacations.Yeah, then you get to travel,
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because the only vacations we've had inlike the last twenty five years are women
move. Okay, so we needthat be in one place and go travel
around Europe. But come home andI'm just trying to get myself in the
mindset. I got three years toget myself in that mindset. Yes,
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is there a particular part of thecountry that you like that you would gravitate
towards. I love northern Arizona.I mean I've I've moved back to northern
Arizona four times. I love thebeaches in North Carolina. It's just the
hurricanes love me every single time I'vemade the In fact, the last fifteen
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years, the only time they gothit by hurricanes was within weeks of the
little bit that so it's like it'sdeaf issues. Hurricane magnet, you're magna.
Yeah, I've been through tornadoes inAlabama and Texas, so not really
keen on doing that again. Atleast a hurricane you get enough notice you
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can get out of its way.Sometimes you can get out of its way.
But I love northern Arizona. It'spretty, you get the seasons.
You know, it's not hot likeit is in southern Arizona. Yeah.
Yeah, you have some elevation there. Yeah. I lived in Sedona,
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I've lived in Prescott, I've livedall over northern Arizona. I think I
met you when you lived in Prescottmaybe I think so. Well. I
came over to Sedona a couple oftimes. You're over there, Yeah yeah,
but I but I think you weremaybe living in Prescott. Yeah maybe,
or maybe in LA Not sure,but anyway, that's great. I
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don't I don't know. I youknow, it's like it's like when I
run into somebody and they go,I don't even know you from I'm like,
have you ever lived here, here, here, here, here?
O? My god? Well youcould say yes, actually I have lived
in all of those places, soI don't know. Yeah, it's that
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vacationing you lived there. I've neverdone the Northern States because I really hate
snow, so never done any ofthe northern states. Yeah. Yeah,
well you did Seattle, you didWashington. Yeah, but that's still the
West. Yeah, that still doesn'tI'm talking like Chicago, you know,
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Michigan, Wesconsin. Yeah, anyplace that it's gonna stay below thirty degrees
for any Like the time Korea curedme of that. I was going to
say Korea probably was like that.It was like you got excited when it
snowed because it meant it was warmas the snow mm hmmm. Right,
that's in a like in Alaska.That's the same thing. Yeah, snow,
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but it melts, you know.Yeah, yeah, because we did
the same thing. It's in thetwenties. It's gonna snow, but yeah,
it's gonna go cold. It justgoes cold. Yeah. I don't
like cold. I am not asnow bunny. Yeah. Well you have
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to dress, you know, andyour liver has to be working. That's
what I've found. You know,people have to have a good liver for
the heat or the snow. Exactlyright. I mean having so much fun
with you guys, I know,isn't it fun? Yeah, it's been
great to have you on the show. Yeah, so tell us again.
It's a Happy Move book dot com. What's the actual The website is Ahappy
(45:53):
move dot com. Okay, oh, we're having a contest. What's a
contest. A lot of people knowabout the contest. Are we eligible to
win or to move? You areeligible? Anybody's eligible to win. There's
no purchase necessary to enter, althoughwe do hope you buy the book.
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But if you go to the websiteand we're giving away all kinds of stuff,
hundred dollars, uh, get certificatesfor you haul a box full of
moving supplies books from one of thepublishers. So while you're waiting for your
stuff, you were and your kidshave something to read Starbucks. Hunter's going
(46:35):
to move, maybe he needs thatbox from you haul. There's a box
of all kinds of stuff for relaxationfor your first night there with bubble back
and dreams and all kinds of stuff. But it's it's it's fun. So
is there a grand price at all? As far as do you do you
have like your your daughter like isgoing to go help you move? Is
that like the grand price or no? The grand The grand price is this
(47:00):
box of moving supplies. I meanit's got everything all wrap Paperok. Nice
for opening your boxes. You can'tbelieve how many people get moved and they
forgot to keep out at nice toopen the I mean stuff like that.
I know it could be or youknow, just minimal stuff that you forget
(47:24):
exactly. Do you have like anInstagram or a Facebook as well? A
happy book is a happy move.Everything is just a happy move except YouTube.
YouTube is a happy move book.And pardon me, your Instagram is
(47:46):
a happy move book. That's whereI got that done. Yeah, if
that one's happy, I forgot aboutthat happy. But like all the videos
that are on YouTube are also onour website. Mm hmm. It's easy.
I mean it's easy to watch.Okay, great, it's fantastic.
It is fantastic. You know thatso many people are going to be helped
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and you know their their nerves won'tbe a frayed when they move. I
would you know, I would loveto see realtors get this book to give
the clients, right right, thatwould be what a hope that would be.
Yeah, you should do a littleuh a postcard to each you know,
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to realtors. I did that.That would be That would be really
good. That'd be really good.Yeah. So yeah, and then you
have a Dnette's book coming out.There is an agent, a literary agent,
so Dnete Wells. She's an incrediblefriend and known her gosh, I
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don't know how long now, long, long, long time. And she's
an adventure racer and she climbed theSeventh Summits and Everest a few times.
Mount Everest. Yeah. Her book, her book title, I'm so proud
to represent this woman. She isamazing, is called Another Step Up the
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Mountain and it's available for pre ordernow. It'll be released Mother's Day.
But it's an incredible story of thiswoman and what she does and has done
and finding all the peaks in theworld. It's just incredible. Yeah.
I have fun stories about her,you know, because she may not.
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I don't know if she wrote aboutit in the book or not. But
she We went to an exercise classfor fourteen years together on every Thursday morning,
and she one day she was complainingabout something, and I said,
well, why don't you do aspaghetti dinner for that friend of yours Her
daughter has SI stick vibrosis and whojust recently died, the this child,
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And so she said, oh,yeah, that sounds like it would be
okay, you know, and didn'tsound that all hept about it. But
so she went home and then shecreated the dolphin Ball, which gained ninety
thousand dollars versus stick fibrosis. Youknow, but she's just a dynamo.
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And then when she was first repellingoff of Point Doom in Malibu, she
said that she said that, Ohcalled me and she said, please,
Tara, come right now. Youhave to you know, I'm I have
to be hypnotized. Right now.So I said, I'll hypnotize you on
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the phone. I was in themiddle of cooking dinner, and it was
like, you know, for allthe whole family, and I said,
okay, close your eyes, andyou know I took her through that.
You know, she wouldn't look downthe mountain. She just really love going
repelling off the point Doom cliffs andthat's when she got the bug of starting
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to climb, you know, allthe mountains. And now she's climbed the
seventh Summits of the world. Whenyou read this book, yeah, I'm
gonna love it. I got tiredby chapter four because I was like reading
this and of course it's written sowell that you're right there with her in
(51:30):
these experiences, and I kept havingto put it down. It's like I'm
exhausted. But it's a great book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's
yeah, one of my best friendsfor a very long time. Yeah,
it's been great. And again thatbook is is titled Another Step Up the
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Mountain, Another Step Up the Mountains. Yeah, she's had a lot of
crazy experiences. Of course, I'msure you will be having her on your
show. Yeah, oh yeah,yeah, for sure, for sure.
And her website is d N Atwellsdot com. Okay, is that just
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w E L L S. Yes, good luck with the d NT.
I have to write it to Yeah, yeah, d NT. Mm hmmm.
She was a ten N fantastic.And again your your book A Happy
Move, Happy Move. I lovethis book. And it's it's spiral bound
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so that it's easy access. There'sthere's forms, it's just like you you
read it, you you plan aheadso that your your move is effortless.
That's the goal. Absolutely. Well, the next book is Spring Cleaning.
I think you know, I mean, you have a whole series there you
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can do on tons of you know, all right, one for you.
That's that's how to purge when Idon't want to. Yeah, that's right.
Oh my god, Well that's myproblem. Well I'm not going to
read it. I'm not going todo it. You can't make me.
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Okay, yeah, I know,I know you and my wife, all
right. Happymood dot com is Devorah. Jason is Jason D McKean dot com.
And that's j A. S.O N. D as in dragon
Lord McKeon m c k yn dotcom. Right, and I'm Tara inside
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t A R A. I ns I g h T dot com.
And there's a new center. Jason'sworking out of it too, so we'll
be in and out of there,some new wonderful classes. We have a
treatment room. So yeah, it'sgonna be great. It's in Los Angeles,
yeah, yeah. So thank youfor being on the show, Deborah,
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thank you so much for thank youso much. Fun. Yeah,
it's great. Thank you. AndJason, yeah, thank you for being
on the show. I love youboth. Thank you very much. Thank
you, thank you. That's love, all right. See
Welcome to Transformations with Tara. I'mTara Sutton and my guest today is devra
And Devrah Jacobs has written a bookcalled a Happy Move And we all move,
we all move around, we allhave to clean. Spring cleaning is
(00:23):
here, and so Devraah is goingto give us lots of good tips on
how to how to really clean upour life and get our spring cleaning and
getting our moving because moving can besuch a pain, and helping us create
great lives. And then I haveJason de m kean. He is my
(00:44):
co host, and he is thevoice of over a million own recordings throughout
the world, and he has abig line of Ome Records, and he
has a new pop song too thatit's just in correct edible Jason, It's
just so beautiful and thank you,thank you. Yeah, I mean I
(01:04):
would really like to see him domore of that for sure. And then
he also has a website with alot of own meditations on it as well.
So welcome Jason. Oh it's agreat literary agent too. Guys,
(01:26):
so books you now know who tocome to. Thank you. I'm okay,
So tell us about how you decidedto write this book. Dev I
was actually in a conversation with whatis now my publisher about they were going
(01:48):
to be moving and just talking tohim about moving, and they said,
wow, you really need to writehis book, and we really need to
publish this book. Way, I'mnot a writer, so I wat to
my best friend Brett Elders, whois a professional writer, and said,
I'll give you the information if youwrite the book. And so we wrote
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it together and it's been a greatexperience. And again, what is the
title of the book? A HappyMove? A happy move because that's what
you want to have. Oh,yes, well, you know I would
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say that every move there's such aanxiousness about it. I think people are
really anxious, very frustrated. Imean, it takes a lot of time
to do the right packing, youknow, all of it, what to
take. It's like one of thetop stressors next to death and a divorce.
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So it's really important that people don'ttend to think about it until they
have to do it right. Butwhat's the what's like the number one thing?
What's the starting point for having ahappy move? Planning, organizing,
h if you like. In thebook, we walk you through in steps
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from before, during, and afterbecause if you plan it properly, it
can be you know, fun andvirtually stress free. If you don't,
then when all these things suddenly arise, you're going to go into panic.
I mean people end up fighting withtheir spouses. I mean, it's a
(03:38):
huge amount of stress, you know. And so we walked through every aspect
of it, from how to pack, how to purge your house, you
know, how to hire the rightpeople to move you. And it's very
well organized this way. So sowhat I was hoping that you said was
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you read my book first. That'sthe absolute number one starting point. You
buy the book first. You buythe book, and then you read it,
and then you're like, you startright. One of the things we
did different in this book from theregular books is we made this book spiral
bound, because there's all kinds offorms in the book to fill out,
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so you have everything right there atyour fingertips and it's just a really cool
design, right right. So it'sa workbook almost. You know that you
can keep track of what you're doing, you can keep everything in one place,
and as long as you throw yourbook in your suitcase with you,
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then you have everything that you're goingto need on the other end as well.
Right, well, I tend tothink that if you know when somebody's
moving, that it's that last minutething that's really hard because you know,
people who lease homes or they're goingto move into, say they're buying another
home. You know, it's alwayslike a timing. You have to get
(05:10):
ready for something, but you know, you need your silverware until the last
day, You need your you know, you need certain things the last few
days. But yeah, we talkedabout that in the packing section of the
of the book, because you haveto have what I call the go box.
You know, it's that last boxwhere you know and you mark everything
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according to what we say in thebook, and you know when you get
to wherever it is, that boxis going to hold your extra toothpaste,
your shower soap, your shower curtain. How many times do people move and
they get there and they want totake a shower and they're like, oh,
now, I got to go finda Walmart that's open at midnight.
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You know, So you want tohave everything in this one specific box that
has the extra silver web preferably plasticso you can throw it away, but
it has everything right there. Soyou're prepared right right, because you know,
because it's it's a big thing.It's a big thing. Last time
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that I moved, it was veryfunny I had I had it was having
a seminar in Sedona, and oneof the guys that was there said,
I would like to help you move, and I said okay. Anyway,
so when we were moving, hewas deep in the storage unit I had
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and and grabbing stuff out and somebodysaid, how how did you get here?
And he said, uh, myspirit guides told me to help tear
move And it was just like,oh my gosh. It was just so
cute. You know, his fairguides don't know me, you know it.
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And because I am metaphysical, likeyou want, I always tell people,
you know, you can utilize yourgifts in this process. You know,
when you're getting estimates from overs andthey're coming at your house and you
get that inner feeling of oh,I don't know about this company, don't
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hire them. You know, you'reyou're being told by your guides that this
is this is going to go sideways. Yeah. Yeah, if you have
red flags, you know, listento those red flags absolutely. Yeah.
I call those shamonic signs. Andyou have red flags when things don't go
easy. No, please don't dothem. Yeah yeah, or the whole
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concept of it is fourteens to goeasy. Yes, that's the concept.
That's concept. I love it.I do love it. Yeah. But
the thing is is that I feelthat moving is a is really a big
progress for many people. I mean, you know, are they doing the
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right thing? Sometimes they're moving toplaces they don't really want to move to,
or but but you know that canbe giving it a chance. Well,
I mean, if you do itright, it's an adventure. It
can be a journey. It doesn'thave to be a Oh god, what
you know, I don't know anythingabout this place. You know, we
talked in the book with tips likeif you're moving to little city never been
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to, you know, on Facebookand find their local pages and ask questions,
you know, what do you havegoing on there? What kind of
schools are there? Who are thebest doctors and dentists? And if you
know these things before you ever arrive, then especially if you're moving with kids,
which can be really really hard,you can have them exciting you know
(09:01):
about it. Yeah yeah, wellyou know, I have a couple of
kids moving right now, So youknow, it's been interesting and it's interesting
on the amount of time that youdo give give it. You know,
what would you say would be theideal amount of time for most people,
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like two months, three months outyou don't really need it. If you
buy the book, Okay, you'regoing to actually do it within thirty days
anywhere that you're going, Yeah,you know, because you can pre plan
everything from packing, you know,moving, when they're going to pick up,
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when they're going to deliver. Everythingcan be organized. The probably the
most time consuming thing in anybody's moveis the package. And if you follow
the inspirations I offer in the book, you want to purge before you ever
(10:05):
even buy a box. You know, get rid of all those things that
don't serve you, or the furniturethat you know it may or may not
fit in your new location. Youknow, sell things, donate things,
you know. I knew one womanwho moved all the clothes that she had
all the way back to high school. And she goes, but I still
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wear the same size, I said, but do you wear these clothes?
What Most moves are priced, especiallyprofessional members by weight. Why move stuff
that is going to wait? Iwas thinking the other day about my daughter
and I with kitchen stuff. Welove kitchen stuff, but every time we
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move, we off that nine dollarstoaster that we can buy new on the
other end, right, you know, anything like that you don't need,
get rid of it, and thenyou start packing in kind of an order
of what you know you're not goingto need, like if it's July,
(11:11):
you're not going to need your Christmasdecorations, you know, and you pack
in order what it is. Whatwould you recommend for someone such as myself
who has a very hard time likeletting go of things, you know,
because as an artist, as amusician is it's like there's an accumulation of
(11:33):
stuff. My wife hates it,you know, She's just like, you
know, get rid of it,and it's like, no, I can't.
It's a part of me. Verytidy. She is the test person
I know, I think, Butwhat about the untidy you have to balance?
I have a pretty expensive rock incrystal collection. It's heavy, But
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am I going to part with it? Oh? No, no way.
So you figure out what has thatpurpose in your life if it really doesn't,
and just sort of hanging onto itbecause oh someday I might need this
then you need to get rid ofit. But what if because I am
that person, it's like, youknow, I hang on to stuff,
(12:20):
you know, because sometimes it supplies. You know, it's for the kind
of the next project and all.It's like it's all important and I'm not
getting rid of any of it.But that's fine. You can keep it
all. But you may want tothink, depending on your budget, do
I want a diy not do Iwant to do a pot of it or
a rental truck. Because you're goingto keep all that, it's going to
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weigh a lot probably, you know, and you can keep it all,
but you have to figure out,Okay, what siced truck am I going
to move with that? I needall this to fit in a big like
Mayflower, you know, like Iknow, I've helped all the kids move
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gosh on my step kids back inthe day move. I mean, we
had the warehouse of five thousand squarefoot warehouse. We had different you know,
little little way we'd rent you know, all sorts of storage units.
I mean we you name it,we were. But that's again umulating room
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to do if you want to budgetfor it. You know, if you're
going to have to use a Mazewhile United Vandlines and that. Actually,
this is part of the process ofgetting people to come out to your house
to do estimates. The big legitimatecompanies, you want to get three estimates
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where they come out, they lookat everything got and they figure out and
they're really good about this, figuringout how many boxes you're going to use.
You know what your weight's gonna endup being. And then if you're
going with a legitimate company, inthe contract you always read the fine print
of the contract. They can onlycharge you a certain percentage above their estimate,
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so you may find, yeah,it's worth an extra five hundred dollars
or one thousand dollars to keep allmy goodies. A lot of people don't.
I mean, I've kind of gotit down to where I can pack
an entire sea bedroom house in aboutforty eight hours. Wow, you've done
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this? How many times? Howmany moves? I've done twenty nine big
moves and a lot of little movesjust between houses and apartments. But you
know, and if you pack yourself, there's like I've got all these videos
that I've been putting up on YouTubeon our a Happy Move book page on
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YouTube. Is that what it's calledon YouTube, like if you get a
Happy Move book and you can seeways to pack means that I've learned along
the way. I learned very youngwatching my parents move. They always had
professional movers, and I just watchedwhat they did and went, oh,
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I didn't know you could wrap yourfurniture and if we keep it from getting
scratched. I didn't know you onlyquit heavy stuff on the bottom. And
I didn't know. You know,you've got to pack all the way to
a solid top so you don't havecrushing. I've learned this over these twenty
nine moves, and so I tryto share with people. You know,
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most breakage comes from the vibration ofthe truck, not the way you pack.
So if you pack, I mean, keep out all your sweaters and
sweatshirts and T shirts and all thatfor pack material because it reduces your vibration.
Yeah, there's all kinds of tricksthere. Yeah, that's what I
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did when I moved from the ranch, you know, I mean on my
house in town and then my ranchhouse. But it was yeah, use
everything to pack with. Yeah,the packing materials do not have to be
an expensive part of your move.People think they do. The most expensive
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part of your packing materials is gettingyour boxes, and you can get them
really cheap at places like home depot. I always recommend buying new boxes so
when you go to load that truck, everything's uniform and it isn't going to
shift and move when you stop fastor you're not putting together a puzzle.
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You're talking to load the track andyou're like, oh, these boxes just
they're not uniform. So I alwaystell you could go ahead and invest in
that. But for packing material Imean, don't hit a recycling place.
For newspapers if you're on a budget, there's lots of waste, right right,
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I mean because since we don't reallyhave newspapers anymore, there's not a
lot of newspaper to use anymore.Remember that was the big thing, is
to use newspaper. I like thepaper that you just buy the packing paper
because the newspaper you get black allover. Other then yeah, yeah,
yeah. The ink. As aliterary agent, it's like, are you
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happy that the ebook exists? Becauseyou know, like schlepping around books,
I mean those are heavy, thoseboxes of books. Once you start like
that's fine, I know, It'slike Tara's a million books. I have
a whole bookcase of just civil warbooks, you know that are history,
and it's just like, oh mygod. That's why I've lived here for
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twenty years because I don't want tolike pack those up and schlep them around.
I think I'm old school. Ilike a book I can hold on
to and turn the pages. Youknow, if people have like the newer
iPads, I think you can actuallyget a kindle book and write in it
on the iPads. So that wouldbe okay for the foreignsider in this book
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that I like having a physical book, especially on a move when when I
get to the other end and theyhave it turned on my utilities, I
want to be able to pup thatbook open, know exactly who to call,
what my account number is, thedate that they were supposed to turn
it on, and be able toyell at somebody, not have to try
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and find an eight hundred number anddo the whole connection thing and what was
my account you know, when was. It's all proper planning, and that's
part of your book as far aslike like letting people know that, you
know, reminding them right that it'slike when you get to your new place
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it's like you have to turn onthese services. And absolutely there's forums in
this for everything. You know,it's the who your utility company is prior
to moving, which is equally asimportant because you want to make sure their
turnoff date happens. And the newcompany that you're moving to, I mean
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everything from banking, doctors, DennisBET's homeopaths. You want everything. So
when you get to that new placeand you go in to see that new
doctor and they say, well,where do we send the referral for your
records? You go, wait aminute, let me gorab my book right
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here, right right? Being organizedand yeah, with utilities, I always
some of the tips in there isI don't have utilities set for the date
you're supposed to move, because themovers may not show up. You may
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be there for two more days,right right right? Do you acquire stuff
that like, do you have likea predisposition where it's like if something weighs
too much, it's like you're alreadythinking ahead saying, you know what,
I don't have to move this,I don't have to. Well, I
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wish I did every time. Everytime I know, if I started firing
anymore is done. I collect dragons. I collect angels, I collect nons,
my special little things, and itdoesn't matter what they weigh, they're
going with me, right right,right, Yeah, I have a record
collection. I don't have a returntable anymore, but I'm gad one they
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got them. Yeah, my bigthing of a big purchase I didn't take
with me that I wish i'd take. You know, I still can get
I'm in touch with the people tohave it. But it was a big
bear. I had one of thosebig, huge bears, you know,
at the rest, and I justwas like, oh, how am I
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going to get this down to,you know, the other house? And
so I did leave it with somepeople. They came with a tractor and
moved it. You know, it'slike I should just have the tractor,
you know, go down. Andit's important that you know that for international
moves, and we have a sectionof the book on the international moves.
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I moved to Korea, and whileI was in Korea, I thought the
most gorgeous hand carved wooden living roomsat. Oh. What I found out
was I couldn't afford to bring itback. I had to leave it in
free it right see, that wouldbe just heartbreaking yeah, something is so
beautiful, right and have to leaveit behind, you know, the bear
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is not it's so beautiful, butit was fun, right, Yeah.
And you mentioned that like you werepart of a military family. Is that
why you were like moving around?Well, I'm briefly married to the army
okay, but that was only forlike five years, which encompassed four moves.
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And that five years. Wow.And because of the experiences I had
with the military moves, we puta chapter in the book for military news,
and there's a whole reference guy atthe back of the book where you
can go to and find more supportfor all kinds of different things. But
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on the military move I think,you know, that was only five years
of my life. I think I'mjust a born gypsum. Well, I
definitely somebody who moves around lot inthe world. You know, I'm like
on planes all the time. AndI mean Jazz Jason knows. You know,
it's like sot for me because youknow I'm leaving you know, every
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everything's but I accumulate, you know, we just accumulated another center, a
treatment room. I'm an accumulator.But now it's like, uh moving,
moving is just like uh that Idon't like to do. I don't like
to move my house. Nobody likesto move. I mean, it's not
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a Yay I get to move acat. It's always a oh Lord,
where do I start for a move? It could be exciting, Yeah,
it can be very exciting for me. It's always an adventure. I mean
I do stupid things. Like Iwas in Arizona and I really didn't like
where I was, And I lookedat my daughter, who was probably like
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twelve back then, and I said, I think we're going to get on
Interstate forty and go east until wehit the ocean. She was like,
okay. She knew, you know, by then in her life she knew
we were moving all the time.And we packed at a U haul and
stayed on forty and ended up livingon an island. Offered North Carolina because
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that's where the road ended, youknow. So I kind of do these
wonderless kind of things. You know. I got wiped out by a hurricane
in North Carolina. Well North Carolinacan, yeah, I like, where
are we going to go? X? I was offered a job in Seattle.
I was like, well, welost everything in the hurricane, so
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sure fly us out you know,it's it's I think these things come up
for people that they aren't expecting.You know, they get offered a job,
or they graduate college and get offereda job cross country I mean always
moving, yeah, always. Iknow some people just really you know,
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move and then some people stay andnever leave their town. Climate wise,
you know, it's like, youknow, going from a place like you
know, North Carolina to Seattle,right, it's like there's a change in
weather and the environment. So youknow, it's like you have to be
open to that. Right. Well, it's really important when you're moving to
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be aware of the climate. WhenI knew that moved from North Carolina to
Seattle, I didn't think about checkingthe weather. We landed in the worst
snowstorm that ever had in Seattle.But we're stuck at the airport for five
days. Oh another move we madeto North Carolina, because I've done that
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three times. I love the Carolinas. We didn't check the weather as we
were driving cross country, and ifwe had checked while we were going through
Oklahoma, we could have gotten ahotel and stay at night and avoided what
we did, which was pulling inin the middle of a hurricane. Oh.
My god, the weather is important, right, yeah, do you
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do you cover you know, someof that as far as you know part
of the pre like if if itis like winter time, let's say,
right, it's like you know,moving from a more southern climate to a
northern climate. It's like, youknow, make sure that you're you're preparing
for you know, getting to aclimate that is it's going to be different,
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it's going to have its own youknow trickiness. And I found out
moving to the south from the Westis something you pack. You want to
actually put rice in with your boxesbecause if they're going to be stored for
any period of time on a truckin humidity, teams are going to know
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there. When we moved to NorthCarolina, the first time we arrived literally
the night before nine to eleven,we didn't see our stuff for eight weeks
when some of the stuff got therebecause of where this truck had been parked,
you know, during the catastrophes thatwere going on, a lot of
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the stuff was damned. You know, so really chat where it is you're
going, and that brings in internationalmoods too, you know, we find
out what the weather may be like. One of the people I was talking
to about moving in mood to CostaRica And it was winter in Minnesota and
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he was wearing a sweater and aheavy coat and he landed almost at the
airport from the ZM. You know. So all these little things is what
I really tried to cover in thebook. Right. Well, and then
you have your one, like Ihave one child moving to Europe. It's
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like she's leaving all her stuff withme. She needs those books. Yeah,
oh yeah, she does need this. But there are almost there,
she leads in a few weeks.There are things with international news that I
learned from my trip to Korea.When you're moving to another country or in
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the language, find out what's availablewhat isn't. I landed in Korea,
in the village that I was actuallygoing to be living in, nobody's buggling
with. I was completely ill prepared, you know, And that it's a
nice thing to do as Americans.It shows respect. Yeah, well she
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has but yeah, so she doesn'thave to worry that way. But that's
awesome. The thing is is that, oh my gosh, you know,
that would be just that, thatwould be lonely, maybe even in somewhere
like Korea, it can be frustrating. And when my daughter had just turned
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to the day we flew to Korea, I had some diapers in my suitcase.
I figured when I got there,I go buy diapers. You know,
they didn't sell diapers, No theydidn't. You know, this was
back in the eighties, but itwas like, you don't use diapers.
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No, they probably didn't use youknow, plastic Bobby training name twenty four
hours. Oh my god, Ibelieve she was too. Yeah, Oh
my gosh. So was there aa move, a particular move that stands
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out as far as like one thatwas just like a really like horrible experience
or memorable And that's how you learn. Right, Hopefully when you use the
book, you won't have to gothrough when you when you read some of
the stories that my daughter and Iwent through on some of these moves,
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you're going to be like, Idon't know how they ever moved again after
that. One of them my daughterwas reminded me of the other day was,
well, we were in Seattle areaand we hadn't seen the sun in
like six months. It's like,this is horrible. We're going to rent
a truck. We're going to geton Interstate one on one and we're going
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to head south until we find sun. And so we rented that. We
got the trailer to pull the car. I never thought to ask anybody for
how do you back up the truckwhen you have a trailer? Well where
he hit the worst rain in northernCalifornia. Found this place in the dark
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to pull over. It was likea rest stop. We get the we
get parked at everything, and thenwhen the sign came out, I couldn't
get out of the parking spot.I had no idea that when you back
up the truck, you have theopposite direction to get the trailer to go
the way you want to. Andall these truck drivers before part to the
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same place, we're laughing at meas I'm trying to figure out how Tom
guiver my way out of this parkingspace. So you know that that one
brought me really quickly. Ask youknow, don't assume you can figure this
stuff out. Ask get them todrive you around the parking lot before you
leave. No know what this thing, this big thing you're suddenly getting in,
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is going to do. Right.So did any of those truck drivers
help? Did they like, Well, yes, I would, I would
still be there. It wasn't findthis of one truck driver that came up
and it was like from the salesand he was he was, what I
am to not help? You knowthis? He jumped to the truck in
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like two seconds, boom boom.I was out. Yeah. It's like
if that happened today, right,it's like you know, they would just
everyone pull out their phone and justvideo you, like you know, and
it's just like and can anyone justhelp? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I've run into some crazy things withmeeting assistance because I wasn't smart enough to
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ask. And at a time,we were coming down the mountain out of
Flagstaff going to California, pulling acar on the trailer and my daughter said,
something feels weird. Well, thecar was trying to off the trailer
on an interstate sixty miles an hour. We had that pulling over. We
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were stuck for three hours and onehundred and twenty degree heat with two dogs,
a cat, my daughter, mygranddaughter, myself waiting for someday from
the company to come put the cubback on the trailer. That sounds brutal,
that's brutal. Yeah, you know, I make yeah, yeah,
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I usually make when I'm going acrossthe desert, if I have the dogs
with me or kids, I makean what I call an iceberg and I
take I take bags of ice andput it into a black bag and put
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it in the back seat, sothat you know that ice at least we
have that ice to mount. Wehad a cool but when you have three,
you know, you have all thesepeople in a truck and you know,
two dogs in your lap, it'skind of hard to figure out where
you're going to put the cooler.Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah.
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And if you have stuff, ifyou're moving right, it's like you're
gonna just pack it to the gillsanyway. Right, Well, when you're
doing a di ryman, if youknow you have your stuff with you,
you know it's all right there inthe truck with you, So you're not
thinking as much. Like when Idid done cross country models and I'm driving
my suv. The back of thesuv has the cooler, as the air
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mattresses has the silverware, the coffeepot, everything I'm gonna need because I
don't know when you know, myTV's in there, my computers in there,
were you going to have room forall that? That nice Korean furniture
anyway, you know, like lateron I would have made room. It
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was beautiful. I had each ofthe arms were hand carved lion heads,
man, and it was heavy.Mm hmm what stuff like that. See,
I would have a really hard timebecause I'm a Leo. I would
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have a really hard time letting goof that Korea. I'm just you know,
I'm a fixture in Korea. Now. It's it's like because of a
couch, because of a couch,my couch, right, fine, don't
anyone come near me. I lovethat I took. My parents had just
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passed away right before I moved toSan Diego, and they had all this
gorgeous old, old furniture, andI'm like, I am not getting rid
of this. And I paid afortune to move to San Diego. Within
the first week I was there,I had to sell it off. I
have no place for it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, proper planning,
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Well I've done that too. Youknow, I'm just too many,
you know, I start to spreadout to too much stuff in too many
places. I think. You know, one of the things with this book,
even if you're not going to bemoving and you don't think you're going
to be moving. You should readthe book anyway, because when my parents
passed away, it I mean literallywe had the largest dumpster you could get
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in their driveway and we filled itjust with stuff to throw away, you
know. So that's sort of whenI made the decision. We were talking
before the show about living minimalistic.I decided I would never do that to
my daughter. So I go through. I constantly go through, and things
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that are not precious to me Iget rid of. I want to know
that if I suddenly had to move, that I could throw it all in
the truck, have to be gonereally quickly and not have any access or
God forbid something happened to me.She wouldn't have to go through everything.
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Well, I have like horses.It's been like okay, you know,
like my kids don't all bride,So so what am I going to do
someday, you know when I crossover and with my horses, you know,
because I don't seem to like goingout of not riding horses. So
the thing is is that you justmake you make decisions for yeah where there?
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Yeah, yeah I don't ride.I'm not going to take I'm not
going to start mucking stalls. That'snot my thing. We have animals.
We have two dogs and a catchand a chameleon. Oh look that does
the comedian? Does it interact withthe with the others. My daughter is
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like a cha million experts and uh, you should have seen us trying to
move with the chamelion. Well,tell us, well what happened? Well,
because she is an expert, sheknew exactly how you're supposed to box
them and they go to sleep andyou have to miss them every so many
hours. And when you get tohotels you've got to open them up,
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and you know you have go away. You have to beat them and miss
them. And she knew all thisstuff, which you know it can you
know? This is why there's awhole chapter on pets in the book Pets
are hard to move sometimes. There'sa story in there about the screaming cat
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that my daughter wanted to leave itin Donald's because it was screaming in the
car going across country for four hours. But if you think about things like
that ahead of time, then youknow what your animal is going to be
like. You know whether or notyou moved at tap into a vat and
tranquilizers or stock up on the homeopathicrescue remedy. That's a great book title,
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The Screaming catc Donald's. The storywas pretty fun of you read it.
I ended up with the cat inmy car for the next day and
a half. Hmm, yeah,I bet, I bet? So.
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Are you have you moved lately?Are you staying put? You think?
What are you doing? And Isay this very cautiously because every time I
made comments like this, suddenly Iwent back. But we've actually been in
the same place with three days inNY. It'll be three years longest I've
ever been on one location. ButI promised my granddaughter when we moved here
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that we would not move until shegraduated college. Oh, she doesn't want
to move now. She was sotired of being drug around. My daughter
was used to it, my granddaughterhated it, and so I made a
commitment we will stay in the sameplace. Now. Will I stay in
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the same building? Probably not?Yeah, but you know, because I
got to get that shifted energy.But I will be staying here for at
least another three and a half yearsto us to graduates. Yeah, I
know, I got I could settlein. You know, I like settling
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in and then going off from wheremy home base is. And it's funny
because I'm a tourist in Normaltorians.Yeah, and they want you know,
they want their place, and Idon't know where my planets are, but
they're obviously not in Well it's theascendant in your mars probably, you know,
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so you have movement there. Ilike ranting, I like, okay,
thirty days notice by see yeah,yeah exactly. I mean there's a
freedom in that too, you know, as far as like you know,
you're not just locking yourself into aparticular place, you know, unless unless
you need to really hunker in andyou know, fulfill something that's that's already
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like set out. But if you'rein that that space of like, okay,
what's the next, what's the next? You know, it's like gives
you some some freedom to to moveabout and to you know, see what
you like. My daughter is alwayssaying, what you need to do is
buy a house and take vacations.Yeah, then you get to travel,
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because the only vacations we've had inlike the last twenty five years are women
move. Okay, so we needthat be in one place and go travel
around Europe. But come home andI'm just trying to get myself in the
mindset. I got three years toget myself in that mindset. Yes,
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is there a particular part of thecountry that you like that you would gravitate
towards. I love northern Arizona.I mean I've I've moved back to northern
Arizona four times. I love thebeaches in North Carolina. It's just the
hurricanes love me every single time I'vemade the In fact, the last fifteen
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years, the only time they gothit by hurricanes was within weeks of the
little bit that so it's like it'sdeaf issues. Hurricane magnet, you're magna.
Yeah, I've been through tornadoes inAlabama and Texas, so not really
keen on doing that again. Atleast a hurricane you get enough notice you
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can get out of its way.Sometimes you can get out of its way.
But I love northern Arizona. It'spretty, you get the seasons.
You know, it's not hot likeit is in southern Arizona. Yeah.
Yeah, you have some elevation there. Yeah. I lived in Sedona,
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I've lived in Prescott, I've livedall over northern Arizona. I think I
met you when you lived in Prescottmaybe I think so. Well. I
came over to Sedona a couple oftimes. You're over there, Yeah yeah,
but I but I think you weremaybe living in Prescott. Yeah maybe,
or maybe in LA Not sure,but anyway, that's great. I
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don't I don't know. I youknow, it's like it's like when I
run into somebody and they go,I don't even know you from I'm like,
have you ever lived here, here, here, here, here?
O? My god? Well youcould say yes, actually I have lived
in all of those places, soI don't know. Yeah, it's that
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vacationing you lived there. I've neverdone the Northern States because I really hate
snow, so never done any ofthe northern states. Yeah. Yeah,
well you did Seattle, you didWashington. Yeah, but that's still the
West. Yeah, that still doesn'tI'm talking like Chicago, you know,
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Michigan, Wesconsin. Yeah, anyplace that it's gonna stay below thirty degrees
for any Like the time Korea curedme of that. I was going to
say Korea probably was like that.It was like you got excited when it
snowed because it meant it was warmas the snow mm hmmm. Right,
that's in a like in Alaska.That's the same thing. Yeah, snow,
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but it melts, you know.Yeah, yeah, because we did
the same thing. It's in thetwenties. It's gonna snow, but yeah,
it's gonna go cold. It justgoes cold. Yeah. I don't
like cold. I am not asnow bunny. Yeah. Well you have
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to dress, you know, andyour liver has to be working. That's
what I've found. You know,people have to have a good liver for
the heat or the snow. Exactlyright. I mean having so much fun
with you guys, I know,isn't it fun? Yeah, it's been
great to have you on the show. Yeah, so tell us again.
It's a Happy Move book dot com. What's the actual The website is Ahappy
(45:53):
move dot com. Okay, oh, we're having a contest. What's a
contest. A lot of people knowabout the contest. Are we eligible to
win or to move? You areeligible? Anybody's eligible to win. There's
no purchase necessary to enter, althoughwe do hope you buy the book.
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But if you go to the websiteand we're giving away all kinds of stuff,
hundred dollars, uh, get certificatesfor you haul a box full of
moving supplies books from one of thepublishers. So while you're waiting for your
stuff, you were and your kidshave something to read Starbucks. Hunter's going
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to move, maybe he needs thatbox from you haul. There's a box
of all kinds of stuff for relaxationfor your first night there with bubble back
and dreams and all kinds of stuff. But it's it's it's fun. So
is there a grand price at all? As far as do you do you
have like your your daughter like isgoing to go help you move? Is
that like the grand price or no? The grand The grand price is this
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box of moving supplies. I meanit's got everything all wrap Paperok. Nice
for opening your boxes. You can'tbelieve how many people get moved and they
forgot to keep out at nice toopen the I mean stuff like that.
I know it could be or youknow, just minimal stuff that you forget
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exactly. Do you have like anInstagram or a Facebook as well? A
happy book is a happy move.Everything is just a happy move except YouTube.
YouTube is a happy move book.And pardon me, your Instagram is
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a happy move book. That's whereI got that done. Yeah, if
that one's happy, I forgot aboutthat happy. But like all the videos
that are on YouTube are also onour website. Mm hmm. It's easy.
I mean it's easy to watch.Okay, great, it's fantastic.
It is fantastic. You know thatso many people are going to be helped
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and you know their their nerves won'tbe a frayed when they move. I
would you know, I would loveto see realtors get this book to give
the clients, right right, thatwould be what a hope that would be.
Yeah, you should do a littleuh a postcard to each you know,
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to realtors. I did that.That would be That would be really
good. That'd be really good.Yeah. So yeah, and then you
have a Dnette's book coming out.There is an agent, a literary agent,
so Dnete Wells. She's an incrediblefriend and known her gosh, I
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don't know how long now, long, long, long time. And she's
an adventure racer and she climbed theSeventh Summits and Everest a few times.
Mount Everest. Yeah. Her book, her book title, I'm so proud
to represent this woman. She isamazing, is called Another Step Up the
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Mountain and it's available for pre ordernow. It'll be released Mother's Day.
But it's an incredible story of thiswoman and what she does and has done
and finding all the peaks in theworld. It's just incredible. Yeah.
I have fun stories about her,you know, because she may not.
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I don't know if she wrote aboutit in the book or not. But
she We went to an exercise classfor fourteen years together on every Thursday morning,
and she one day she was complainingabout something, and I said,
well, why don't you do aspaghetti dinner for that friend of yours Her
daughter has SI stick vibrosis and whojust recently died, the this child,
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And so she said, oh,yeah, that sounds like it would be
okay, you know, and didn'tsound that all hept about it. But
so she went home and then shecreated the dolphin Ball, which gained ninety
thousand dollars versus stick fibrosis. Youknow, but she's just a dynamo.
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And then when she was first repellingoff of Point Doom in Malibu, she
said that she said that, Ohcalled me and she said, please,
Tara, come right now. Youhave to you know, I'm I have
to be hypnotized. Right now.So I said, I'll hypnotize you on
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the phone. I was in themiddle of cooking dinner, and it was
like, you know, for allthe whole family, and I said,
okay, close your eyes, andyou know I took her through that.
You know, she wouldn't look downthe mountain. She just really love going
repelling off the point Doom cliffs andthat's when she got the bug of starting
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to climb, you know, allthe mountains. And now she's climbed the
seventh Summits of the world. Whenyou read this book, yeah, I'm
gonna love it. I got tiredby chapter four because I was like reading
this and of course it's written sowell that you're right there with her in
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these experiences, and I kept havingto put it down. It's like I'm
exhausted. But it's a great book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's
yeah, one of my best friendsfor a very long time. Yeah,
it's been great. And again thatbook is is titled Another Step Up the
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Mountain, Another Step Up the Mountains. Yeah, she's had a lot of
crazy experiences. Of course, I'msure you will be having her on your
show. Yeah, oh yeah,yeah, for sure, for sure.
And her website is d N Atwellsdot com. Okay, is that just
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w E L L S. Yes, good luck with the d NT.
I have to write it to Yeah, yeah, d NT. Mm hmmm.
She was a ten N fantastic.And again your your book A Happy
Move, Happy Move. I lovethis book. And it's it's spiral bound
(52:37):
so that it's easy access. There'sthere's forms, it's just like you you
read it, you you plan aheadso that your your move is effortless.
That's the goal. Absolutely. Well, the next book is Spring Cleaning.
I think you know, I mean, you have a whole series there you
(52:59):
can do on tons of you know, all right, one for you.
That's that's how to purge when Idon't want to. Yeah, that's right.
Oh my god, Well that's myproblem. Well I'm not going to
read it. I'm not going todo it. You can't make me.
(53:19):
Okay, yeah, I know,I know you and my wife, all
right. Happymood dot com is Devorah. Jason is Jason D McKean dot com.
And that's j A. S.O N. D as in dragon
Lord McKeon m c k yn dotcom. Right, and I'm Tara inside
(53:44):
t A R A. I ns I g h T dot com.
And there's a new center. Jason'sworking out of it too, so we'll
be in and out of there,some new wonderful classes. We have a
treatment room. So yeah, it'sgonna be great. It's in Los Angeles,
yeah, yeah. So thank youfor being on the show, Deborah,
(54:08):
thank you so much for thank youso much. Fun. Yeah,
it's great. Thank you. AndJason, yeah, thank you for being
on the show. I love youboth. Thank you very much. Thank
you, thank you. That's love, all right. See
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