September 5, 2024 • 45 mins
Tara Sutphen CHt & Jason McKean CHt will discuss Do You Believe Change Is A Good Thing
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Transformations with Tara. This is Tara Seton
and my guest and co host is Jason d McKean,
and he is the voice of over a million own
recordings throughout the world. He is the own Tara Wizard
and a reverend and he has lots of different recordings
(00:25):
on json d McKean dot com. And he also is
doing lots of projects, lots of seminars, lots of sessions,
a seam in Japan, a lot, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, I've got my uh my japan tarot classes and
they're they're translated as far as I am not the
one speaking Japanese. My my Japanese is not so so good,
but translated it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Anyway, Welcome Jason, Oh, thank.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You, Tara, thank you for for having me. And this
is like, uh, I think a really interesting topic too
that that we're about to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, we have decided to talk about do you believe
change is a good thing? So do you think change
is a good thing? Do you think change is good?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think it depends.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that's probably what everybody says as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I think that you know, to to take something
out of that realm of belief and into experience too,
is you know, like experiencing change. Experiencing change, it can
be you know that that's that's where it gets into it.
You know, it can be hard, you know, to make
a change. It can be easy depending on what that
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that you ages. But it usually means that there's growth involved.
And you know growth, you know, any kind of growth
is there's that that realm of where one isn't necessarily
in a real solid place, you know, like they don't
know exactly where they're, where they're footing is exactly. They
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may be a little bit kind of trepidacious, not always right,
but uh, you know if if you find yourself in
new environments and all that, you know, some people just
kind of plow ahead and and that's this kind of
their theirm o. But but others will be a little
bit more like, you know, just kind of taking stock
of you know, where they're they're they're getting a more
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solid foothold in new territory.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, what about you? What do you think? You know?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Just like kind of right, what happens that Earth is
traveling at sixty five thousand miles an hour, and so
we think that we're not changing at all when we're
changing every single.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And so with that though, gravity keeps us on the
planet and gravity like helps us make decisions about things.
And I think that's what we think is a change
and to make really good decisions about our lives. Sometimes
changing it up is a fantastic thing, and sometimes, you know,
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changing it back is a fantastic thing. Like if you
you know, started eating a lot of sugar and needed
to come back and not eat any sugar, you know,
that's a change. You know, there's a lot of changes
that we can do, small changes in eating and drinking
water and helping ourselves, and then there are really you know,
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big changes that people do, like you know, move across
the country. There's know, in the recent years, you know,
a lot of people like up and ditched where they lived,
and there's you know a lot of different, uh, you know,
changes that happen in their life pretty much everything new, friends,
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new place, new you know, sometimes relationships everything.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes it's like you
have your your core support around you, you know, like
let's say you're married, you have a partner, you know,
and then you decide to move to another city or
another part of the country. Or another country, you know.
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I mean those those are significant changes at all, but
there's there's some familiarity and then there's like a lot
of new that one is exploring. I think that, you know,
there are times in our life when we're more open
to that, when we're we're kind of looking for the
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next part of ourselves to to blossom and to inhabit
that that space that we're you know, a part of creating.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Right, Or you can just change up your space that
you're in, you know, where you live, and I don't
have to like move it. You can just change whatever
however you like it, you know, add something or take
something out, like a bookshelf. Yeah, I'm talking about obsessions.
(05:35):
A lot of mine is books.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, yeah, you have you have a lot of books.
You know, I have like a whole bookshelf that's just
like just kind of books about the Civil War, American
Civil warriors. You know, it's like there's there's many many
books you know that that that that we have. You know,
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I was going to ask you though ours, you know, astrologically, right,
because you know I find that myself as a leo
mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's like, is.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know I like to have kind of a stable
environment home environment, and and then just kind of use
that as a base of operations. And I do a
lot of you know, creative work, and you know, so
it's it's not that I have to like just be
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on the go, you know, just just everywhere and just
change things up that way?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Does does astrologically?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Does that have something to say about about you, Leo? No,
as just with like you know, some of these fixed
signs or.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, you know, if I was just an astrologically, since
I'm in eastern and western astralogia, I don't know if
many people know that anyway, I would say I would
say that it's not really your Leo. Your Leo would
need a lot of accolades. So you know, there are creators.
Everything about Leo is creation, and so it is everything
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that Leo's creation. And so the thing behind your chart
is you know, earth signs and water signs behind it
make it more bodily at home type of you know,
there's there there's thaings where you want to be at home.
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But uh, you know usually fire signs not so much.
Fire signs are about you know, that combustible movement fire,
and there's something to that to where's Lileo's or creation,
So it wouldn't be in your son signa could be
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probably all behind the scenes where you don't venture that
far away from you know you do, but you don't
because you know, you do a lot of stuff with Japan.
You know, you you've loved Europe, you've loved Turkey, You've
you know, you've been through Asia, You've been through a
lot for just you know, Mexico, we've gone to you know,
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Central America. So you've been all around. But you just
are somebody who likes really to be at your home base.
And you're born a dragon. And isn't this year a
dragon year?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Again? I'm sure it has been, yes, yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It now still?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, it's a dragon year. So the thing is is
that you like to create in your space, you know
that's creating in the cave. Yeah, and ready to bring
it out for the public. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean I I have, like, you know, had that
idea of you know, being in my my cave or
laboratory or you know that that kind of just one
place of creation and and then you know that's the
the basis or the foundation for it. So again I
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was I was just wondering if that was kind of
like a a trait of of the fixed signs, you know,
which would be Tarus and uh, Scorpio and Aquarius, you know,
or you're you're suggesting that, you know, there's there's a
lot of underlying stuff, which like in in my case
there is a lot of it is just mostly earth
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and water. You know, there's there's a lot of cancer
in there. And and so I mean, I can I
can see where it's like that fire does come out,
it's like, you know, it will explore the world a
little bit, but not you know where I always have
to be out there like some people I know, like you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And you know, we have to blame it a bit
on my chart because you know, I have five planets
of Sattarius.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The curiosity of the world is my happiness anyway. But
and I find myself everywhere, Like this summer, I was
in fifteen states and four countries. So yeah, it's just
I don't know what to say as far as like
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I've really slowed it down. I'm home for a little bit.
I did get talked into yesterday I maybe coming back East.
But I've been trying. I've been trying to stay home
because I have so many projects I gotta get done.
So anyway, yeah, I got to get in my laboratory
and create.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So with that, you know, all that fire as far
as you know, does that mean that you're able to
like just be in that place of change a little
bit more easier, like you know, kind of lead less
of a resistance to it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Then I see, like I might be.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Certainly, I'm not frustrated or put off by people or
culture or.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm usually kind of taking a step in even though
I'm a I'm a kind of a dichotomy. I'm a
quiet person, but yet I have a big laugh and stuff.
Once you get to know me, you know, it's I'm pretty,
you know, funny as far as good, and I'm a
good audience. Yeah everybody, somebody makes me laugh and I
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love it. But I I am but I you know,
I enjoy I listen to peopleeople and like I enjoy
seeing other cultures, other places, how people live. People are
usually taking a step towards me to show me that
it's that, you know, is fun. So I don't know
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if so much that I'm like in the change of
something and that I'm okay with it. I just don't
resist it. I don't resist I know I'm going home.
I create a great home. I have five animals. I
need to get back to them and love them up.
You know. So, Yeah, no, I'm so. I think of
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I'm perfectly good.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah do you think that? I mean because because change
itself can be they can be the big changes, right,
there can be the quick changes as well, and then
there are the changes like over time, Like you know,
I have found that through my clientele. I know that,
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you know, people have been wanting to change their profession,
their their vocation, that they they've been wanting to do
something that more authentically speaks to where they're at now
than you know, maybe where they were ten years ago
or even twenty years ago. And you know, it's it's
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just and sometimes it's a a pretty radical change, you know.
I mean it's not that it's just like the next
logical step from what they've been doing. It's just like
something completely you know, different, but it's speaking to a
deeper part of themselves that is like, you know, I
really want to do this. It gives me purpose and
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this is it, you know, and it's it doesn't make
it like always easy, you know, just to make that
that transition into it. It can be a slow walk
into it, you know. But you know, I find that,
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you know, some people are they're kind of wired more
for like let's get this cooking, you know, let's let's
do this now, and where you know, they don't allow
themselves to be too slow about it. You know, they
don't like, you know, fall into a trap of like
well tomorrow, you know, I'll do it to you know,
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I'll get around to it. It's like where they act
on it and and just start to make these these
changes happen mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But again, change is happening because we're moving so fast
through space. So you know, we we think that we
are making choices and we have to make good choices
because we don't have that long to live on the planet.
We think we do, but we do not mean a
one hundred years and span of like thirty five thousand
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years since something or other happened in the on the planet.
That is pretty much a nothing. Yeah, we just think
it's you know, the time is slow. We're bored. We
where our life isn't changing. We're seeing the same food,
we're seeing the same you know work, Well, you got
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to change that up, you know, seeing the same front,
but you can change it all up. You know, nothing
lasts forever. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, so that's a happy thought.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's great, Thank you, Jason. Well, you know what everybody
knows that change, you know, it can be so like
a mundane and it's like okay, and you know, maybe
it's more mundane for me than it is for you guys.
Is obviously I'm not on some kind of whirlwind most
of the time. Yeah, And uh.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I think though that the you know, the the
the mundane, you know that it's it's something that we
can you know, almost see as a catalyst for for
change too. If if something is becoming too too rote,
if if you know, we feel like we're kind of
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locked in this just endless cycle of something, you know,
it's like we can you know, start to look for
an off ramp, you know, we can, uh, you know,
it can be a catalyst towards uh spicing things up
for you know, bringing back an excitement you know of uh,
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you know something that that can feel like it's it's
just a new energy. And you know, I guess the
challenge to that is to make sure that We're not
like blowing things up in our life, you know that
we're not like doing something that is uh, the change
is creating Yeah, where it's where it's not like a
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self destructive kind of urge. You know that we're following,
you know, recognizing what what is, you know, building towards
something that that has a more positive or sustaining outcome
to it. You know, like the diet right like you
know it's like bing binge eating or you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Know, relationships. Yeah, a lot a lot of you know,
consequences and things with how you speak to people, how
you communicate or lack of communication. Yeah, there's a lot there.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So so how do we monitor that within ourselves?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, it is being awakened to yourself and to you know,
write things down, what do you want? Why do you
want it? And to be honest, honest with yourself, honest
with others, you know, and uh, you know, we don't
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always get the change that we want. Sometimes we get
the change that we need and or we see see
a need that we need to fill as far as
like going toward a better diet, getting a little more exercise.
Because we have to like recognize because we're a lot
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of times we don't recognize the consequences of things. So
if we don't tap in to our lives, you know,
and change up to where what we want to do.
For say, like you were talking about careers, if you
don't change it up, then you know you're going to
be doing the same thing that you're doing now that
you believe is a mundane thing next year, in the
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year after and the year after that. Well it might
bring you money, but is it bringing you contentment or happiness?
You know. I for me, I've never changed my career.
My career has for the last you know, I'm not
going to age myself here, but you know, for the
last years, a lot of years, a lot of lots anyway,
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is that you know, I've stayed in my in my
zone of what I do and what I do well,
and have been into it for many years. And I
didn't think it was like an obsession when I first
got into it. I thought it was, you know, just curiosity.
So I studied one thing, and I went into another,
and then I went you know, and I just kept going,
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kept going. And at the time there was in any
schools or any you know, so I had to you know,
take a lot of counseling schools I had.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
To go to.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I had to go and learn, go to hypnotherapy school.
I had to do, you know, different things. But I'd
already been nominated for hypnosis meditations before I went to
hypnotherapy school. You know. So the thing is is just
go for it, go for it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, you know that's uh, that's that's that's so funny,
you know how you know, we we like go towards.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Our our our.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Goals or our passions, you know, and sometimes that that
road just it unfolds before us, you know, as we
step out onto it. You know, yeah, we kind of
created as we go and and sometimes you know that
that's uh, you know, part of how we we kind
of keep it alive for ourselves. Also branching out too.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's like like in in the realm that that I've
been in, it's like, you know, the the one of
Tarot counselor, right, It's like, you know, I know, counselors,
Tarot readers and all that. That's that's what they do.
That's all that they do. But I've I've also seen
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like ones that have been that they've become authors. You know,
they they've taken their knowledge and they've you know, uh
expressed it so that it can be shared with others.
You know, some become teachers, some become.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, like.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Leaders and lecturers, and you know, and you know, I
hope to be all of these things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know. It's still not like put a limit on
any of it, you know, but you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Don't want to limit yourself. But you don't want to
be so changing every five minutes that you know, nobody
knows what you're doing or who you are or why
you are.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, well there can be a natural progression to it,
you know, to where it's It's not like you know,
when becomes like too kind of a jack of all
trade of it. You know, that's because that that can
that can happen to you know where. And I think
that you know how how one is wired, You know
how they are at their core, you know what what
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their say, what what their uh their capabilities are, because
you know, not not everyone is just wired the same
and and it you know, it doesn't mean that one shouldn't, like,
you know, at least if they're drawn to something where
they try it because maybe they can find their their
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place in it, you know, but you know all paths
are not the same, and you know, but but to
you know, just kind of explore your own your own
realms there so that you know you are finding like
the little changes you know that that expand what it
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is that you you know, you know what what it
is that you're you're building on experience and and not
allowing change to be too much of a uh a
pressure field for you. You know where you're you start making
kind of weird decisions and all about stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Right, don't want to have weird decisions. Don't want to
do anything that hurts your life, your money, your you know,
your families. You know that sometimes you know, we change
up to do what we want to do, and when
they go crazy, it's like, what in the heck happened here? Yeah?
What what is wrong with you know? All that? All
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that and them and and where has the communications been stifled?
You know?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Do you find out that environments are important as far
as like one support systems and all that, as far
as like when when changes afoot?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, I don't know so much about that because my
life I mean, you know, Jason, because you were there,
but when I was really young, you know, I got
together with I had been best friends with es just Den,
and then turn around and married Dick Setfon, and so
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you know, I was pretty deep into the metaphysical field
by the time I married Dick Setfan in my early twenties.
So I don't, you know, I didn't never. I experienced
a little bit of it then, but I didn't experience
you know, like my parents were okay with it, and
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you know that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, your parents were kind of okay with it. My parents,
on the other hand, they were not into it at all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Our parents were really so supportive to a large degree,
and and you know, I mean that was that was
most what you know, mattered most. And so I haven't
really ever had I attract like minded people. So the
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few people that are not on anywhere in my team
is people I don't know or I mean they never
touch my lives. Even if they talk about me, I
do not know them. It's really a I'm very protected
that way by the other side sentinels, what I call sentinels,
the archangels. I mean, really I don't deal with it
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at all. So that kind of change, like somebody being
not liking my career or liking what I do, which
of course would be a large number of people on
the planet. But it's not who I attract so that
it's an interesting thing. So I don't have that. I
don't have that kind of I want to say, what
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arrest arrest? Oh, I don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Say, yeah, what's that word recipe?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah? Yeah, no, no, no, uh, you know, I don't
have that kind of funny business rep scallion. No rascability,
I was I think I.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Was going to say rask irascibility. It's like when when
someone's like, uh, just kind of angry, or.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They're frustrated, or they're anxious, or they're yeah, for no reason.
You know, it's not like I'm I'm associated with them
at all. But uh yeah, I don't really have that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I have them, yeah, you know, And it's you know,
you're you're right as far as like, you know, familial environment.
You know, our our family that we grew up in
very very like spiritual, religious, you know, but it's like,
you know, being able to build on that right and
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and to you know, go in go in other directions
that it hasn't you know, created a lot of friction
at all in that you know, I I you know,
we both know through clients and all that, Like those
environments where where someone wants to like, you know, be
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in their own autonomous self and and where they can
get a lot of blowback from you know, uh, when
it's from loved ones, it's it's harder you know to uh,
you know, because there's a lot of expectations that that
you know, people can put on you.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's like, I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Didn't raise you to be like that, you need to
be this and you and it's just like ah boy,
pressure positive change.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's positive change. Like say you went to the gym
and you you know, decided to be slim in a family.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Of heavy part I didn't raise you to be slim.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I didn't well I didn't that I put them before you.
You know, it might be something more like that. So
the thing is is that you know, and they may
only want.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Broc fat ice cream.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I bought those just for you. You never know,
you never know. So the thing is is that because
people are sometimes very uncomfortable and they want you to
change back you used to be. But the bottom line
is it's always shamanic. The shamanic sign was that you
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need to change, and that you needed to change a
better for your health, for your well being. But you know,
you don't leave people behind to you truly love you
bring them along, you know, you always love them no
matter what, because it's not about your politics, your religion.
It's about your heart and who you love and why
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you love them. And so it's the change. It's not
about not loving someone, it's about acceptance.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Maybe sure, sure, yeah, And I do think it is
kind of more in those realms of you know, in
the you know, because there's there's there's a framework usually
with our you know, our friendships and our our family
and all where it can it can create friction, you know,
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if if there's like a perception of like, oh you're
into that or whatever, that's that's not what I'm into.
So you know, I'm uncomfortable with that. I'm uncomfortable with
seeing you in a certain light. And and if the
person is is like if they're they're needing to expand
their own like spiritual nature, you know again, to find
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something that's that's more authentic for for them, you know,
an authentic expression. Then you know it's you may not
find support as you are changing, like immediately, and and
that's why a lot of people they look for another tribe.
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You know, they look for for those those supportive souls
outside of what it is that they know two to
be able to expand in again, like you know, hopefully like.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Healthy ways big.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Your heart is big, and you can love you love
and if you you know, like you love your parents,
you love your siblings, you love you know, I mean
your friends, your old friends who doesn't want to change
with you. It's okay. You gotta love them for who
they are, because it goes two ways.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I still love all of my friends from the
past and all, even though I may not be on
the same page with him. It's it's totally fine. You know,
we don't have to.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Be I'm the same.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I love so all of you who are out there
listening to Yeah, you wouldn't be listening because.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You like tar a wizard, what a kook. I'm unfriending him.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't think you have to make people on friend have.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean not a ton, not a ton. Yeah, yeah,
because I'm not that guy. You know, I'm not that
one who's like, oh you're into that, well, you're out
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of my life.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
No. No, we don't usually have those people around. And
I always say it's about you, because I don't throw
anybody away. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah. Yeah, So those of you listening, it's about you.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's really I'm asade.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You need to change.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I've got to do my work and all the personal business, okay,
you know, I mean all about the personal business anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, well, I mean speaking of the work. The work
is it's demanding in certain ways about those areas of
not being super judgy. Right, It's about creating safe space
for people to to discover themselves, all right, And and yes,
you know it's like we do have our own like
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boundaries and you know, of what's right for us and
all that. But it's not that we're we're looking to
like just like, oh, don't do that, you know. And
you know that it's about you know, helping someone to
uh again kind of shape their life in a in
a positive way. And so so the work is kind
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of demanding of of that, and and and so it
doesn't you know, allow for a lot of uh shenanigans,
that way of being too like, uh, you know, judge.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Just can't. That's a change, you know, did you used
to be judging? You're not anymore?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh yeah, not so much.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean because I've I've been a lot of you know, uh,
you know some of the people that you know, I
might look at and say, oh, you're into that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know, I've been a punk rocker.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I've been like you know, all these uh you know
people that were judged.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's like, you know, I had the weird hairstyle where
people would think your cans at me from speeding cars
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, and it's just like, hey, you know, can't
we all just get along there?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know? Well it is true, it is and you know,
and I'm all about not you know, it's not my
thing to push people down. It's to help pick them up.
And so it's really and I can't just pick you know,
some people just want you to pick them up every second.
It's not about that. It's all about you know, giving
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you the tools that help you help yourself. Let's pick
let's get up back on this path, let's go forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think that's the essence of compassion, you know, is
to help someone help themselves. Yeah, you know, because that
that's like it builds like a sustaining energy within them.
And and it's not that you're just rescuing someone every
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two seconds.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Right, you have to be careful of that. Yeah, and
you have to be careful. And you know what people
tell you and what is being reiterated and what is
you know what what you know they have to work through,
you know, because there can be a lot of pain
involved with with change and feelings. It's feelings that usually
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you know, this is the thing is how do people
make you feel? And that can be a big change.
If people are making you feel bad? Where where is that?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
What what I will tell you know, my.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I would view them as colleagues, you know, people who
are interested in interuro who you are looking to explore
it and to share it, you know with others, and
and getting blowback from people in their environments you know
that are you know, just either giving them the well
that's that's evil or you know it's like it's like
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know your heart, no know what is in your heart
and and a lot of times it's like you you
have the heart of a healer inside and you're you're
looking to you know, use your your own spiritual nature
in order to to help you know, to be of
service to to people. And you know, if if that's
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what you know about yourself then remember that. You know,
especially when you know someone is like trying to lay
a guilt trip on you or something like that.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's it's a you know, how we you you had like, uh,
you know, asked something or brought something up about you know,
do we ask for permission or do we like ask
for forgiveness afterwards? Right, And it's like, you know, sometimes
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people in our environments wouldn't give us the permission, you know,
if we say, hey, I want to study this, you know,
and they're they're like, oh, that's out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
No, I can't accept that. Right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But you know, if again, you you know who it
is that that you are at your core, and it's
like you know that you're you're you're looking to expand
and you know, find that which is authentic within yourself,
it is easier to you know, let go of you know,
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maybe you know someone in your sphere there or let
go of their judgment on you so that they're not
holding you back, that you don't get into a place
of resentment against them.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
You know, I would have been this person.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
We're talking about, somebody who goes around being weird or
you know, it's not full permission on being weird like
killing things, hurting things, anything like that, animals people, you know,
it's not that is not change. We're not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, well that's that's not our thing. Lot.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, that's the legalese.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's like please don't go out and you know do.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, be naughty. Yeah, I mean yeah, you
know what's good, you know. And that's a thing too
about naughty. You know, when you're being naughty, and you
know when you're being nice, you know it, you know,
and everybody you know, they they tend to it's you
that line, you know, and go into I'm just talk
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about this person a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah. No, it's you know, everybody knows the the little
area there, there's a little gray.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And since I have been Santa, you know, at Christmas time,
I keep a list of who's naughty and nice, so
I definitely know.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh my gosh, Jason has these these two kids in Japan.
Oh my god, they did him and Willie did. It's
on I have it up on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
No, no, it can't be on YouTube. You have to
take it off of YouTube.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
No, it's mine.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, my reputation will be forever.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It is so okatest thing you ever saw. It is.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. But no,
I like, I enjoy being Santa, you know, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Time, both of them. But there was two videos, but
they're hilarious. One of the happiest and sand memories in
my life. Santa.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That's what happens when it's it's just a weird coincidence.
I'm wearing a red shirt because I do kind of
look like Santa. If anyone's just listening, then you're out
of luck. But I do have that Santa vibe any beat,
But that's that's part of that, you know, that good nature, right,
like the yeah, no, I need to go to the
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gym and be slimmer. It's like, don't don't like you know,
you're that person. You're that person who's like, no, you
need to be bigger, more like Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I just I just very adapted in that, right I did.
I tried. I tried to.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Change you, right. I need you to be more supportive
of me.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Am I goal to be a slimmer Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, that's a good idea. Just like we were talking.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
About change exactly and the pressure. It was almost like
kind of family theater, just just doing like an example.
So everyone, oh yeah, okay, and now I see it.
Now I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Wow. All right, So, uh where can where can people
find you?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Good question? Anyway? Three one zero three oh three eight eight?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Oh my god? A phone number?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, call you for like appointments, sessions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, I believe a message and seminars upcoming and I'll
have seminars upcoming. Yeah, I know I put them off,
but I will have them as I do have the
most incredible space to have them. So I was definitely
do something upcoming.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
We have projects too that if anybody you know wants
to hang out and do that projects fun. Yeah, the readings,
we're just gonna film readings.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
So what are you asking of people, because you're well
just to.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Have call if they want to call and and come
in for an hour or something, and we're you know,
we'll just film it. We're doing some filming.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
So so that's the trade off on it.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, it's a trade off. Yeah. And well and then
plus some of the seminars will be doing but you know,
they're just bits and pieces of everything you know, you know,
because we're using well for arch projects anyway. Also, uh
I it's moons dot com, m O O N s
(43:13):
O r CE dot com. You can catch me and
Taro appointment at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
How about you, Jace so I uh am on social
media Facebook, Jason d McKean J S O N D
M c K e A N and then Jason Taro
Wizard on Instagram. And I've got a bunch of stuff
coming up. I've got like there's a Tarot salon. There's
(43:43):
like I'm gonna do a passive regression at Healing Oaks
in October. Gonna be doing another installment there with with
Tracy Brown of our Spiritual Mentoring, which is online so
you know, any one can can join in from anywhere.
And and there's there's one oh Enchanted Cottage. There's a
(44:07):
great trot class there in Bakersfield in September. So it's
all you know, posted on on my uh online and
and then my website Chasing d McKean dot com. What's
a that's a good stuff stuff cooking, yep.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I love the good stuff, lots good good change.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know, it's like, uh, you know, I like to
I like to change up, you know, some of the
classes and the offerings and you know, just kind of
the the way of doing stuff just every now and then.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, thank you, Jason. I love everybody.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Thank you. That's a love.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Whoops, well time you're gonna get it.
Hey, welcome to Transformations with Tara. This is Tara Seton
and my guest and co host is Jason d McKean,
and he is the voice of over a million own
recordings throughout the world. He is the own Tara Wizard
and a reverend and he has lots of different recordings
(00:25):
on json d McKean dot com. And he also is
doing lots of projects, lots of seminars, lots of sessions,
a seam in Japan, a lot, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, I've got my uh my japan tarot classes and
they're they're translated as far as I am not the
one speaking Japanese. My my Japanese is not so so good,
but translated it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Anyway, Welcome Jason, Oh, thank.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You, Tara, thank you for for having me. And this
is like, uh, I think a really interesting topic too
that that we're about to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, we have decided to talk about do you believe
change is a good thing? So do you think change
is a good thing? Do you think change is good?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think it depends.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that's probably what everybody says as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I think that you know, to to take something
out of that realm of belief and into experience too,
is you know, like experiencing change. Experiencing change, it can
be you know that that's that's where it gets into it.
You know, it can be hard, you know, to make
a change. It can be easy depending on what that
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that you ages. But it usually means that there's growth involved.
And you know growth, you know, any kind of growth
is there's that that realm of where one isn't necessarily
in a real solid place, you know, like they don't
know exactly where they're, where they're footing is exactly. They
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may be a little bit kind of trepidacious, not always right,
but uh, you know if if you find yourself in
new environments and all that, you know, some people just
kind of plow ahead and and that's this kind of
their theirm o. But but others will be a little
bit more like, you know, just kind of taking stock
of you know, where they're they're they're getting a more
(02:43):
solid foothold in new territory.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, what about you? What do you think? You know?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Just like kind of right, what happens that Earth is
traveling at sixty five thousand miles an hour, and so
we think that we're not changing at all when we're
changing every single.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And so with that though, gravity keeps us on the
planet and gravity like helps us make decisions about things.
And I think that's what we think is a change
and to make really good decisions about our lives. Sometimes
changing it up is a fantastic thing, and sometimes, you know,
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changing it back is a fantastic thing. Like if you
you know, started eating a lot of sugar and needed
to come back and not eat any sugar, you know,
that's a change. You know, there's a lot of changes
that we can do, small changes in eating and drinking
water and helping ourselves, and then there are really you know,
(03:53):
big changes that people do, like you know, move across
the country. There's know, in the recent years, you know,
a lot of people like up and ditched where they lived,
and there's you know a lot of different, uh, you know,
changes that happen in their life pretty much everything new, friends,
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new place, new you know, sometimes relationships everything.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes it's like you
have your your core support around you, you know, like
let's say you're married, you have a partner, you know,
and then you decide to move to another city or
another part of the country. Or another country, you know.
(04:41):
I mean those those are significant changes at all, but
there's there's some familiarity and then there's like a lot
of new that one is exploring. I think that, you know,
there are times in our life when we're more open
to that, when we're we're kind of looking for the
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next part of ourselves to to blossom and to inhabit
that that space that we're you know, a part of creating.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Right, Or you can just change up your space that
you're in, you know, where you live, and I don't
have to like move it. You can just change whatever
however you like it, you know, add something or take
something out, like a bookshelf. Yeah, I'm talking about obsessions.
(05:35):
A lot of mine is books.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, yeah, you have you have a lot of books.
You know, I have like a whole bookshelf that's just
like just kind of books about the Civil War, American
Civil warriors. You know, it's like there's there's many many
books you know that that that that we have. You know,
(05:58):
I was going to ask you though ours, you know, astrologically, right,
because you know I find that myself as a leo
mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's like, is.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know I like to have kind of a stable
environment home environment, and and then just kind of use
that as a base of operations. And I do a
lot of you know, creative work, and you know, so
it's it's not that I have to like just be
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on the go, you know, just just everywhere and just
change things up that way?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Does does astrologically?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Does that have something to say about about you, Leo? No,
as just with like you know, some of these fixed
signs or.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, you know, if I was just an astrologically, since
I'm in eastern and western astralogia, I don't know if
many people know that anyway, I would say I would
say that it's not really your Leo. Your Leo would
need a lot of accolades. So you know, there are creators.
Everything about Leo is creation, and so it is everything
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that Leo's creation. And so the thing behind your chart
is you know, earth signs and water signs behind it
make it more bodily at home type of you know,
there's there there's thaings where you want to be at home.
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But uh, you know usually fire signs not so much.
Fire signs are about you know, that combustible movement fire,
and there's something to that to where's Lileo's or creation,
So it wouldn't be in your son signa could be
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probably all behind the scenes where you don't venture that
far away from you know you do, but you don't
because you know, you do a lot of stuff with Japan.
You know, you you've loved Europe, you've loved Turkey, You've
you know, you've been through Asia, You've been through a
lot for just you know, Mexico, we've gone to you know,
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Central America. So you've been all around. But you just
are somebody who likes really to be at your home base.
And you're born a dragon. And isn't this year a
dragon year?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Again? I'm sure it has been, yes, yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It now still?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, it's a dragon year. So the thing is is
that you like to create in your space, you know
that's creating in the cave. Yeah, and ready to bring
it out for the public. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean I I have, like, you know, had that
idea of you know, being in my my cave or
laboratory or you know that that kind of just one
place of creation and and then you know that's the
the basis or the foundation for it. So again I
(09:24):
was I was just wondering if that was kind of
like a a trait of of the fixed signs, you know,
which would be Tarus and uh, Scorpio and Aquarius, you know,
or you're you're suggesting that, you know, there's there's a
lot of underlying stuff, which like in in my case
there is a lot of it is just mostly earth
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and water. You know, there's there's a lot of cancer
in there. And and so I mean, I can I
can see where it's like that fire does come out,
it's like, you know, it will explore the world a
little bit, but not you know where I always have
to be out there like some people I know, like you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And you know, we have to blame it a bit
on my chart because you know, I have five planets
of Sattarius.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The curiosity of the world is my happiness anyway. But
and I find myself everywhere, Like this summer, I was
in fifteen states and four countries. So yeah, it's just
I don't know what to say as far as like
(10:39):
I've really slowed it down. I'm home for a little bit.
I did get talked into yesterday I maybe coming back East.
But I've been trying. I've been trying to stay home
because I have so many projects I gotta get done.
So anyway, yeah, I got to get in my laboratory
and create.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So with that, you know, all that fire as far
as you know, does that mean that you're able to
like just be in that place of change a little
bit more easier, like you know, kind of lead less
of a resistance to it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Then I see, like I might be.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Certainly, I'm not frustrated or put off by people or
culture or.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm usually kind of taking a step in even though
I'm a I'm a kind of a dichotomy. I'm a
quiet person, but yet I have a big laugh and stuff.
Once you get to know me, you know, it's I'm pretty,
you know, funny as far as good, and I'm a
good audience. Yeah everybody, somebody makes me laugh and I
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love it. But I I am but I you know,
I enjoy I listen to peopleeople and like I enjoy
seeing other cultures, other places, how people live. People are
usually taking a step towards me to show me that
it's that, you know, is fun. So I don't know
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if so much that I'm like in the change of
something and that I'm okay with it. I just don't
resist it. I don't resist I know I'm going home.
I create a great home. I have five animals. I
need to get back to them and love them up.
You know. So, Yeah, no, I'm so. I think of
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I'm perfectly good.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah do you think that? I mean because because change
itself can be they can be the big changes, right,
there can be the quick changes as well, and then
there are the changes like over time, Like you know,
I have found that through my clientele. I know that,
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you know, people have been wanting to change their profession,
their their vocation, that they they've been wanting to do
something that more authentically speaks to where they're at now
than you know, maybe where they were ten years ago
or even twenty years ago. And you know, it's it's
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just and sometimes it's a a pretty radical change, you know.
I mean it's not that it's just like the next
logical step from what they've been doing. It's just like
something completely you know, different, but it's speaking to a
deeper part of themselves that is like, you know, I
really want to do this. It gives me purpose and
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this is it, you know, and it's it doesn't make
it like always easy, you know, just to make that
that transition into it. It can be a slow walk
into it, you know. But you know, I find that,
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you know, some people are they're kind of wired more
for like let's get this cooking, you know, let's let's
do this now, and where you know, they don't allow
themselves to be too slow about it. You know, they
don't like, you know, fall into a trap of like
well tomorrow, you know, I'll do it to you know,
(14:37):
I'll get around to it. It's like where they act
on it and and just start to make these these
changes happen mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But again, change is happening because we're moving so fast
through space. So you know, we we think that we
are making choices and we have to make good choices
because we don't have that long to live on the planet.
We think we do, but we do not mean a
one hundred years and span of like thirty five thousand
(15:07):
years since something or other happened in the on the planet.
That is pretty much a nothing. Yeah, we just think
it's you know, the time is slow. We're bored. We
where our life isn't changing. We're seeing the same food,
we're seeing the same you know work, Well, you got
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to change that up, you know, seeing the same front,
but you can change it all up. You know, nothing
lasts forever. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, so that's a happy thought.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's great, Thank you, Jason. Well, you know what everybody
knows that change, you know, it can be so like
a mundane and it's like okay, and you know, maybe
it's more mundane for me than it is for you guys.
Is obviously I'm not on some kind of whirlwind most
of the time. Yeah, And uh.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I think though that the you know, the the
the mundane, you know that it's it's something that we
can you know, almost see as a catalyst for for
change too. If if something is becoming too too rote,
if if you know, we feel like we're kind of
(16:31):
locked in this just endless cycle of something, you know,
it's like we can you know, start to look for
an off ramp, you know, we can, uh, you know,
it can be a catalyst towards uh spicing things up
for you know, bringing back an excitement you know of uh,
(16:51):
you know something that that can feel like it's it's
just a new energy. And you know, I guess the
challenge to that is to make sure that We're not
like blowing things up in our life, you know that
we're not like doing something that is uh, the change
is creating Yeah, where it's where it's not like a
(17:14):
self destructive kind of urge. You know that we're following,
you know, recognizing what what is, you know, building towards
something that that has a more positive or sustaining outcome
to it. You know, like the diet right like you
know it's like bing binge eating or you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Know, relationships. Yeah, a lot a lot of you know,
consequences and things with how you speak to people, how
you communicate or lack of communication. Yeah, there's a lot there.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So so how do we monitor that within ourselves?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, it is being awakened to yourself and to you know,
write things down, what do you want? Why do you
want it? And to be honest, honest with yourself, honest
with others, you know, and uh, you know, we don't
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always get the change that we want. Sometimes we get
the change that we need and or we see see
a need that we need to fill as far as
like going toward a better diet, getting a little more exercise.
Because we have to like recognize because we're a lot
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of times we don't recognize the consequences of things. So
if we don't tap in to our lives, you know,
and change up to where what we want to do.
For say, like you were talking about careers, if you
don't change it up, then you know you're going to
be doing the same thing that you're doing now that
you believe is a mundane thing next year, in the
(19:07):
year after and the year after that. Well it might
bring you money, but is it bringing you contentment or happiness?
You know. I for me, I've never changed my career.
My career has for the last you know, I'm not
going to age myself here, but you know, for the
last years, a lot of years, a lot of lots anyway,
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is that you know, I've stayed in my in my
zone of what I do and what I do well,
and have been into it for many years. And I
didn't think it was like an obsession when I first
got into it. I thought it was, you know, just curiosity.
So I studied one thing, and I went into another,
and then I went you know, and I just kept going,
(19:57):
kept going. And at the time there was in any
schools or any you know, so I had to you know,
take a lot of counseling schools I had.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
To go to.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I had to go and learn, go to hypnotherapy school.
I had to do, you know, different things. But I'd
already been nominated for hypnosis meditations before I went to
hypnotherapy school. You know. So the thing is is just
go for it, go for it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, you know that's uh, that's that's that's so funny,
you know how you know, we we like go towards.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Our our our.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Goals or our passions, you know, and sometimes that that
road just it unfolds before us, you know, as we
step out onto it. You know, yeah, we kind of
created as we go and and sometimes you know that
that's uh, you know, part of how we we kind
of keep it alive for ourselves. Also branching out too.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's like like in in the realm that that I've
been in, it's like, you know, the the one of
Tarot counselor, right, It's like, you know, I know, counselors,
Tarot readers and all that. That's that's what they do.
That's all that they do. But I've I've also seen
(21:23):
like ones that have been that they've become authors. You know,
they they've taken their knowledge and they've you know, uh
expressed it so that it can be shared with others.
You know, some become teachers, some become.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, like.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Leaders and lecturers, and you know, and you know, I
hope to be all of these things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know. It's still not like put a limit on
any of it, you know, but you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Don't want to limit yourself. But you don't want to
be so changing every five minutes that you know, nobody
knows what you're doing or who you are or why
you are.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, well there can be a natural progression to it,
you know, to where it's It's not like you know,
when becomes like too kind of a jack of all
trade of it. You know, that's because that that can
that can happen to you know where. And I think
that you know how how one is wired, You know
how they are at their core, you know what what
(22:24):
their say, what what their uh their capabilities are, because
you know, not not everyone is just wired the same
and and it you know, it doesn't mean that one shouldn't, like,
you know, at least if they're drawn to something where
they try it because maybe they can find their their
(22:44):
place in it, you know, but you know all paths
are not the same, and you know, but but to
you know, just kind of explore your own your own
realms there so that you know you are finding like
the little changes you know that that expand what it
(23:08):
is that you you know, you know what what it
is that you're you're building on experience and and not
allowing change to be too much of a uh a
pressure field for you. You know where you're you start making
kind of weird decisions and all about stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Right, don't want to have weird decisions. Don't want to
do anything that hurts your life, your money, your you know,
your families. You know that sometimes you know, we change
up to do what we want to do, and when
they go crazy, it's like, what in the heck happened here? Yeah?
What what is wrong with you know? All that? All
(23:54):
that and them and and where has the communications been stifled?
You know?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Do you find out that environments are important as far
as like one support systems and all that, as far
as like when when changes afoot?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, I don't know so much about that because my
life I mean, you know, Jason, because you were there,
but when I was really young, you know, I got
together with I had been best friends with es just Den,
and then turn around and married Dick Setfon, and so
(24:28):
you know, I was pretty deep into the metaphysical field
by the time I married Dick Setfan in my early twenties.
So I don't, you know, I didn't never. I experienced
a little bit of it then, but I didn't experience
you know, like my parents were okay with it, and
(24:51):
you know that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, your parents were kind of okay with it. My parents,
on the other hand, they were not into it at all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Our parents were really so supportive to a large degree,
and and you know, I mean that was that was
most what you know, mattered most. And so I haven't
really ever had I attract like minded people. So the
(25:24):
few people that are not on anywhere in my team
is people I don't know or I mean they never
touch my lives. Even if they talk about me, I
do not know them. It's really a I'm very protected
that way by the other side sentinels, what I call sentinels,
the archangels. I mean, really I don't deal with it
(25:48):
at all. So that kind of change, like somebody being
not liking my career or liking what I do, which
of course would be a large number of people on
the planet. But it's not who I attract so that
it's an interesting thing. So I don't have that. I
don't have that kind of I want to say, what
(26:13):
arrest arrest? Oh, I don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Say, yeah, what's that word recipe?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah? Yeah, no, no, no, uh, you know, I don't
have that kind of funny business rep scallion. No rascability,
I was I think I.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Was going to say rask irascibility. It's like when when
someone's like, uh, just kind of angry, or.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They're frustrated, or they're anxious, or they're yeah, for no reason.
You know, it's not like I'm I'm associated with them
at all. But uh yeah, I don't really have that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I have them, yeah, you know, And it's you know,
you're you're right as far as like, you know, familial environment.
You know, our our family that we grew up in
very very like spiritual, religious, you know, but it's like,
you know, being able to build on that right and
(27:18):
and to you know, go in go in other directions
that it hasn't you know, created a lot of friction
at all in that you know, I I you know,
we both know through clients and all that, Like those
environments where where someone wants to like, you know, be
(27:38):
in their own autonomous self and and where they can
get a lot of blowback from you know, uh, when
it's from loved ones, it's it's harder you know to uh,
you know, because there's a lot of expectations that that
you know, people can put on you.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's like, I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Didn't raise you to be like that, you need to
be this and you and it's just like ah boy,
pressure positive change.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's positive change. Like say you went to the gym
and you you know, decided to be slim in a family.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Of heavy part I didn't raise you to be slim.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I didn't well I didn't that I put them before you.
You know, it might be something more like that. So
the thing is is that you know, and they may
only want.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Broc fat ice cream.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I bought those just for you. You never know,
you never know. So the thing is is that because
people are sometimes very uncomfortable and they want you to
change back you used to be. But the bottom line
is it's always shamanic. The shamanic sign was that you
(28:50):
need to change, and that you needed to change a
better for your health, for your well being. But you know,
you don't leave people behind to you truly love you
bring them along, you know, you always love them no
matter what, because it's not about your politics, your religion.
It's about your heart and who you love and why
(29:12):
you love them. And so it's the change. It's not
about not loving someone, it's about acceptance.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Maybe sure, sure, yeah, And I do think it is
kind of more in those realms of you know, in
the you know, because there's there's there's a framework usually
with our you know, our friendships and our our family
and all where it can it can create friction, you know,
(29:45):
if if there's like a perception of like, oh you're
into that or whatever, that's that's not what I'm into.
So you know, I'm uncomfortable with that. I'm uncomfortable with
seeing you in a certain light. And and if the
person is is like if they're they're needing to expand
their own like spiritual nature, you know again, to find
(30:07):
something that's that's more authentic for for them, you know,
an authentic expression. Then you know it's you may not
find support as you are changing, like immediately, and and
that's why a lot of people they look for another tribe.
(30:29):
You know, they look for for those those supportive souls
outside of what it is that they know two to
be able to expand in again, like you know, hopefully like.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Healthy ways big.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Your heart is big, and you can love you love
and if you you know, like you love your parents,
you love your siblings, you love you know, I mean
your friends, your old friends who doesn't want to change
with you. It's okay. You gotta love them for who
they are, because it goes two ways.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I still love all of my friends from the
past and all, even though I may not be on
the same page with him. It's it's totally fine. You know,
we don't have to.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Be I'm the same.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I love so all of you who are out there
listening to Yeah, you wouldn't be listening because.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You like tar a wizard, what a kook. I'm unfriending him.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't think you have to make people on friend have.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean not a ton, not a ton. Yeah, yeah,
because I'm not that guy. You know, I'm not that
one who's like, oh you're into that, well, you're out
(31:57):
of my life.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
No. No, we don't usually have those people around. And
I always say it's about you, because I don't throw
anybody away. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah. Yeah, So those of you listening, it's about you.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's really I'm asade.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You need to change.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I've got to do my work and all the personal business, okay,
you know, I mean all about the personal business anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, well, I mean speaking of the work. The work
is it's demanding in certain ways about those areas of
not being super judgy. Right, It's about creating safe space
for people to to discover themselves, all right, And and yes,
you know it's like we do have our own like
(32:51):
boundaries and you know, of what's right for us and
all that. But it's not that we're we're looking to
like just like, oh, don't do that, you know. And
you know that it's about you know, helping someone to
uh again kind of shape their life in a in
a positive way. And so so the work is kind
(33:12):
of demanding of of that, and and and so it
doesn't you know, allow for a lot of uh shenanigans,
that way of being too like, uh, you know, judge.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Just can't. That's a change, you know, did you used
to be judging? You're not anymore?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh yeah, not so much.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean because I've I've been a lot of you know, uh,
you know some of the people that you know, I
might look at and say, oh, you're into that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know, I've been a punk rocker.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I've been like you know, all these uh you know
people that were judged.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's like, you know, I had the weird hairstyle where
people would think your cans at me from speeding cars
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, and it's just like, hey, you know, can't
we all just get along there?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know? Well it is true, it is and you know,
and I'm all about not you know, it's not my
thing to push people down. It's to help pick them up.
And so it's really and I can't just pick you know,
some people just want you to pick them up every second.
It's not about that. It's all about you know, giving
(34:39):
you the tools that help you help yourself. Let's pick
let's get up back on this path, let's go forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think that's the essence of compassion, you know, is
to help someone help themselves. Yeah, you know, because that
that's like it builds like a sustaining energy within them.
And and it's not that you're just rescuing someone every
(35:12):
two seconds.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Right, you have to be careful of that. Yeah, and
you have to be careful. And you know what people
tell you and what is being reiterated and what is
you know what what you know they have to work through,
you know, because there can be a lot of pain
involved with with change and feelings. It's feelings that usually
(35:38):
you know, this is the thing is how do people
make you feel? And that can be a big change.
If people are making you feel bad? Where where is that?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
What what I will tell you know, my.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I would view them as colleagues, you know, people who
are interested in interuro who you are looking to explore
it and to share it, you know with others, and
and getting blowback from people in their environments you know
that are you know, just either giving them the well
that's that's evil or you know it's like it's like
(36:21):
know your heart, no know what is in your heart
and and a lot of times it's like you you
have the heart of a healer inside and you're you're
looking to you know, use your your own spiritual nature
in order to to help you know, to be of
service to to people. And you know, if if that's
(36:42):
what you know about yourself then remember that. You know,
especially when you know someone is like trying to lay
a guilt trip on you or something like that.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's it's a you know, how we you you had like, uh,
you know, asked something or brought something up about you know,
do we ask for permission or do we like ask
for forgiveness afterwards? Right, And it's like, you know, sometimes
(37:19):
people in our environments wouldn't give us the permission, you know,
if we say, hey, I want to study this, you know,
and they're they're like, oh, that's out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
No, I can't accept that. Right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But you know, if again, you you know who it
is that that you are at your core, and it's
like you know that you're you're you're looking to expand
and you know, find that which is authentic within yourself,
it is easier to you know, let go of you know,
(37:55):
maybe you know someone in your sphere there or let
go of their judgment on you so that they're not
holding you back, that you don't get into a place
of resentment against them.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
You know, I would have been this person.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
We're talking about, somebody who goes around being weird or
you know, it's not full permission on being weird like
killing things, hurting things, anything like that, animals people, you know,
it's not that is not change. We're not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, well that's that's not our thing. Lot.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, that's the legalese.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's like please don't go out and you know do.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, be naughty. Yeah, I mean yeah, you
know what's good, you know. And that's a thing too
about naughty. You know, when you're being naughty, and you
know when you're being nice, you know it, you know,
and everybody you know, they they tend to it's you
that line, you know, and go into I'm just talk
(39:05):
about this person a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah. No, it's you know, everybody knows the the little
area there, there's a little gray.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And since I have been Santa, you know, at Christmas time,
I keep a list of who's naughty and nice, so
I definitely know.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh my gosh, Jason has these these two kids in Japan.
Oh my god, they did him and Willie did. It's
on I have it up on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
No, no, it can't be on YouTube. You have to
take it off of YouTube.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
No, it's mine.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, my reputation will be forever.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It is so okatest thing you ever saw. It is.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. But no,
I like, I enjoy being Santa, you know, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Time, both of them. But there was two videos, but
they're hilarious. One of the happiest and sand memories in
my life. Santa.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That's what happens when it's it's just a weird coincidence.
I'm wearing a red shirt because I do kind of
look like Santa. If anyone's just listening, then you're out
of luck. But I do have that Santa vibe any beat,
But that's that's part of that, you know, that good nature, right,
like the yeah, no, I need to go to the
(40:48):
gym and be slimmer. It's like, don't don't like you know,
you're that person. You're that person who's like, no, you
need to be bigger, more like Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I just I just very adapted in that, right I did.
I tried. I tried to.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Change you, right. I need you to be more supportive
of me.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Am I goal to be a slimmer Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, that's a good idea. Just like we were talking.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
About change exactly and the pressure. It was almost like
kind of family theater, just just doing like an example.
So everyone, oh yeah, okay, and now I see it.
Now I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Wow. All right, So, uh where can where can people
find you?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Good question? Anyway? Three one zero three oh three eight eight?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Oh my god? A phone number?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, call you for like appointments, sessions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, I believe a message and seminars upcoming and I'll
have seminars upcoming. Yeah, I know I put them off,
but I will have them as I do have the
most incredible space to have them. So I was definitely
do something upcoming.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
We have projects too that if anybody you know wants
to hang out and do that projects fun. Yeah, the readings,
we're just gonna film readings.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
So what are you asking of people, because you're well
just to.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Have call if they want to call and and come
in for an hour or something, and we're you know,
we'll just film it. We're doing some filming.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
So so that's the trade off on it.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, it's a trade off. Yeah. And well and then
plus some of the seminars will be doing but you know,
they're just bits and pieces of everything you know, you know,
because we're using well for arch projects anyway. Also, uh
I it's moons dot com, m O O N s
(43:13):
O r CE dot com. You can catch me and
Taro appointment at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
How about you, Jace so I uh am on social
media Facebook, Jason d McKean J S O N D
M c K e A N and then Jason Taro
Wizard on Instagram. And I've got a bunch of stuff
coming up. I've got like there's a Tarot salon. There's
(43:43):
like I'm gonna do a passive regression at Healing Oaks
in October. Gonna be doing another installment there with with
Tracy Brown of our Spiritual Mentoring, which is online so
you know, any one can can join in from anywhere.
And and there's there's one oh Enchanted Cottage. There's a
(44:07):
great trot class there in Bakersfield in September. So it's
all you know, posted on on my uh online and
and then my website Chasing d McKean dot com. What's
a that's a good stuff stuff cooking, yep.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I love the good stuff, lots good good change.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know, it's like, uh, you know, I like to
I like to change up, you know, some of the
classes and the offerings and you know, just kind of
the the way of doing stuff just every now and then.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, thank you, Jason. I love everybody.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Thank you. That's a love.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Whoops, well time you're gonna get it.
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