February 9, 2024 • 54 mins
Transformations with Tara
Title: The Age of Aquarius
Tara Sutphen CHt & Jason D McKean CHt will discuss "The Age of Aquarius" with Matthew Engel, LCSW, CHt www.tarainsight.com www. jasondmckean.com
Matthew Engel is a psychotherapist, coach, and astrologer who specializes in the integration of emotional and spiritual transformation on the deepest levels. With a passion for consciousness-raising, Matthew has assisted thousands of clients in finding their way into authenticity and wholeness. Matthew began studying astrology and other metaphysical topics as a teen. Throughout his 27-year career, he has taught psychic development and channeling courses over 100 times, hosted the podcast show “Intuitive Transformation Radio” for several years, has been a well-regarded speaker for the National Association of Social Workers, San Francisco Astrological Society, myriad spiritual groups and wellness events, and dozens of podcast/radio programs. His writing has been published by the Organization for Professional Astrologers and he has co-taught over 20 astrology seminars with Tara Sutphen. Matthew has written dozens of articles about psychological and spiritual growth, astrology, and the evolution of the collective consciousness and is slowly writing a book about integrative healing. Matthew resides in the San Francisco Bay Area and works with clients remotely. He is a dog dad who loves the ocean and has a zeal for social justice. Matthew is known for blending his Cancerian nurturing with a sense of humor and direct, no-nonsense style. For more info, please visit: matthewengel.com
Title: The Age of Aquarius
Tara Sutphen CHt & Jason D McKean CHt will discuss "The Age of Aquarius" with Matthew Engel, LCSW, CHt www.tarainsight.com www. jasondmckean.com
Matthew Engel is a psychotherapist, coach, and astrologer who specializes in the integration of emotional and spiritual transformation on the deepest levels. With a passion for consciousness-raising, Matthew has assisted thousands of clients in finding their way into authenticity and wholeness. Matthew began studying astrology and other metaphysical topics as a teen. Throughout his 27-year career, he has taught psychic development and channeling courses over 100 times, hosted the podcast show “Intuitive Transformation Radio” for several years, has been a well-regarded speaker for the National Association of Social Workers, San Francisco Astrological Society, myriad spiritual groups and wellness events, and dozens of podcast/radio programs. His writing has been published by the Organization for Professional Astrologers and he has co-taught over 20 astrology seminars with Tara Sutphen. Matthew has written dozens of articles about psychological and spiritual growth, astrology, and the evolution of the collective consciousness and is slowly writing a book about integrative healing. Matthew resides in the San Francisco Bay Area and works with clients remotely. He is a dog dad who loves the ocean and has a zeal for social justice. Matthew is known for blending his Cancerian nurturing with a sense of humor and direct, no-nonsense style. For more info, please visit: matthewengel.com
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Welcome to Transformations with Tara. ThisTara Seton and my guests today are Matthew
Engel and he is an incredible astrologer. He's also an incredible hypnotherapist and psychotherapist
and he is just amazing. SoI have been working with my with Matthew
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for a long long time with astrologyshows and also classes. We've been doing
a lot of classes, a lotof theories, and so welcome, Thank
you. It's always it's always ajoy. Yeah. And Jason Demi Keean.
He is the OLM Tara Wizard.He is the voice of over a
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million OM recordings throughout the world.And thank you Jason for being on the
show. Thank you, Tara.And Hi Matthew. Hey Jason too.
It's great to see you too.It's a pleasure to have both of you
together. Oh yeah, it's beengreat. It has been so great.
Anyway, So we were having alittle bit of an odd technical difficulty.
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So I was working on that thismorning and we were talking about the musical
hair because you know, we weretalking about how the Age of Aquarius,
you know, it was like howmany years ago, was that something like
fifty or something or forty five yearsago that that became like a popular thing,
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and how was maybe the Age ofAquarius. Was it coming in then
or was it the shadow you know, that the shadow beginning to come into
because it's definitely you know, youcan look back at the twentieth century and
it was an absolutely different time thanthe rest of you know, a couple
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thousand years before them, you know, what a difference. And so yeah,
so we're definitely going into something else. And we were talking about how
the the it's always going it's goingbackwards the Age of Aquarius because it was
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the Age of Pisces and now it'sgoing into the Age of Aquarius. Where
exactly it comes in, we're notsure the epochs. It's it's something like
two thousand, five hundred years orsomething that each epoch stays in and so
it's a very gradual transition from oneage, gradual like over the course of
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a good couple hundred years, right, Yes, And so maybe there's a
couple of real specialists astrologers out therethat kind of know the exact but we
do know that now through this twohundred and forty year stage, we're going
now into Pluto, that's Aquarius withPluto that just went into Aquarius. In
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recent weeks, we've had a lotof Aquarius. You know, we are
coming in really slamming it into beinga together world. This week is particularly
significant. I mean, Pluto justingressed into Aquarius within the last few weeks,
first of all, and then earlierthis week, just a few days
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ago, Pluto was conjuncting, soin an exact alignment at zero degree,
which is that first degree point ofAquarius. And today, of course we've
got a new moon and Aquarius.So I just feel like, even like
literally as we're speaking, this islike a jet fuel jumpstart moments. Yes,
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right, it is. You know, if you think of that gradual
transition period of the epochs, thereare certain pivotal points that are more exaggerated
moments of transition. And I wouldsay, literally, as we're talking,
we're like in it, Yeah,in it, We're in it. So
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now with that, what do wedo with it? What does aquarius mean?
Tell us Matthew. So I thinkfirst we want to just kind of
look at Yeah, what is thearc type of Aquarius? So Aquarius is
an air sign. So we're talkingintellect, we're talking concepts, we're talking
technology. We're talking science, we'retalking data, we're talking fact, we're
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talking new information, we're talking newdevelopments. We're talking tenacity. Because Aquarius
is a fixed sign, we're alsotalking about humanity. We're talking about unconditional
love and acceptance and a breakdown ofbarriers of race, class, gender,
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gender roles and stereotypes, sexual orientation, a lot of a breakdown of a
lot of that old kind of fearbased tribal mentality of like us against them
and shifting into something because Aquarius ismore of like the water bearer, the
giver, the lover, the acceptorof all human kind and recognizing that we
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are all one and the same,We all come from the same source,
we are all connected on a soullevel. The physical bodies into which we're
born, these are just temporary shells. We have all lived and will live
lifetimes of different races and genders andclasses and experiences and ways of viewing the
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world, world and lifestyles and culturesand so on and so forth. So
Aquarius is really getting into like thatuniversal oneness and a lot of development with
technology and science to really bring itdown into like a nutshell blurb and about
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eighteen hundred years, they'll be goingto other planets probably for sure, Yeah,
right, And don't they say sometimesthat you know that maybe the all
the aliens that are are being seen, they're actually our future. Maybe they're
our future selves coming back to sea. Whoop right right? Or what we
did wrong? Right? You know, I've done past life aggression. They's
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a past life with regression with clients, and some of the stuff that they've
channeled has been that a human lifetimethere can actually be with souls who come
from other planets, other galaxies,other solar systems. Sometimes they'll choose to
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come into a human lifetime on Earthto further provide service, to further the
nuances of that soul's growth. Butthat also there can be a series of
human lifetimes that are all comprised withinone lifetime in the kind of time space
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continuum of a lifetime for the soulin that other planet or other galaxy,
which I thought is particularly interesting.And let's come up with a number of
clients over the years. So wethink of like this birth to death as
though it's this one linear process forthe soul. It may only be a
snippet or a chapter within a largerscope of lifetime and evolution for those folks
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who are maybe coming from others,that's what yeah, And I've well and
I think that other places, probablyeverybody is from us somewhere else maybe original.
I mean, we don't really knowwhere the concept of who we are
is from, right, So youknow, maybe that is a truth,
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but it's right, it's still youknow, it's still out there. Whereas
you know, when I was youngerand doing all this work, people would
say, you know, are youwhat do you feel about aliens? What
do you feel about this? Youknow, and it's such a trend now.
And the thing is is that Ididn't. I mean, I think
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that living upon the earth is alot of hard work, and so it's
like, let's get on it.Yeah, it's very energetically experience. Yeah,
let's keep this experience going just aseasy as possible and know that those
possibilities are there. But it's notanything that you can do thing about,
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and it's not anything that's really goingto help your life, or maybe even
it can hurt your life if youdon't you know, have your feet on
the ground. So you know,that was my that was my rationalization to
people, right, I think ifyou can do for the soul to have
the experience of working through the hardshipsand the struggles and the emotional turmoil and
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the losses and the physical attachments andthe need for you know, all of
our basic physical needs in a physicalhuman body, for the soul to manage
that. Because it's such a denseexperience, it's like the soul is getting
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a deeper, more immersive learning experienceand its evolution as opposed to her.
By contrast, the soul is maybein another planet, another galaxy, different
lifetime, where it's less of aphysically dense, a less emotionally dense,
a less attachment dense, a lesssurvival dense, energetic platform. So sometimes
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I think often souls choose to cometo Earth because this is like a harder
classroom. Yeah, and everybody who'son the planet now is here, you
know, kind of energy, youknow, symbolically mopping decks. Everybody is
doing hard work, everybody. Yeah. So yeah, so the Age of
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Aquarius, we're hoping that that willbe an easier, easier time. I
think every every time has its challenges. Yeah, right, as far as
you know, it's like we're talkingabout like getting our act together, right,
like like getting our own in ahouse in order as an individual,
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Right, it's like as a asa society, as a as a humanity,
as a as a people, especiallywith a broadening awareness, right of
like that there's way more out there. It's like, uh, you know,
I go back to kind of thatthat movie Contact, right where with
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Jodie Foster and all, where it'slike, how does one take a representation
of of how it is that welive on this planet and all out into
like other other worlds, right,and you know, to to kind of
have have our best foot forward,you know, having our act together.
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And I think that with with Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius, right,
it's like having all this this technologicalinformation and uh, just knowledge at our
at our fingertips, right, It'slike, how do we integrate all of
that and still again like have haveour have our act together so that we're
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you know, we're we're doing ourbest with it. Jason, I think
you're what you're referring to in termsof the integration. To me, that's
particularly salient because you know, wecan meditate on the hilltops and have this
divine, spiritual, peaceful experience whereyou know, we're just at one with
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the universe, with our spirit guides, our angels, all the beautiful healing
forces the universe we can be channelingpsychically, and then we get back in
our cars and get stuck in trafficand have to navigate the challenges in our
place with our spouses, our kids, the you know, the wi fi
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that goes out the neighbor who's annoyingand pissing us off and whatever. You
know, it's like that's coming backto Earth school. Taking that the integration
of that wisdom, that piece andenergy, and then applying it to the
three D world. That's where itgets real. That's where the work comes
in, because we're not really growingif we're just sitting in a meditative state
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all day. We can't do that. Yeah, we can revisit. That
is a big one, the teacher. Yeah, it's a good one.
Neighbors, spouses, kids, friends, x's they're all challenges to that dble
like Buddhists, you know, notattached divine, peaceful, peaceful energy.
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But Jason, I think your pointabout the integration, it's applying you know,
the difference, like the different theysay, the difference between knowledge and
wisdom. Knowledge is something you know, you think up here you you intellectually
understand wisdom and the ability to applythat, yeah, in your day to
day existence. What this very gradualtransition into Aquarius is. I mean,
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I think we can apply that withyou know, if we look at something
like so much more vernacular, youknow, like with Black lives Matter,
and you know, racial and economicdiscrepancies and gender fluidity and gender stereotypes and
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all that kind of stuff. Thereare so many people who like in theory
support any of this equality, yetin practice don't really grasp you know,
and yet have their own kind ofshadowy judgments and microaggressions and all that kind
of stuff. So it's like we'reall continuing to learn like oh wait,
yeah, conceptually I totally support thistype of equ and yet we all have
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these moments where it's like, ohwait a minute, get your judgments in
chat. We needed it, likethe practical application in our lives. We
need the practice of it right sothat it we just have like the muscle
memory of it too, you know, in the in the physical right.
And I think Aquarius, by nature, it's going to force us like it
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or not. It's going to bringus into much greater presence with people who
outwardly anyway are different than us,who are alien to us in one way
or another, right you alien?Yeah, right right, any of us
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are alien to somebody else who've walkeda different walk than we have, right.
Yeah. When you think about likethe you know, like the concept
of aliens you know, from otherother planets and all that, like coming
in a place of benevolence. Butbut they have their stuff too, you
know that that their their own likepersonal right, you know, stuff that
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they they work through, So youknow, are like the best representatives coming
you know from from other worlds.All right, right, I think we're
going to have a lot more aliencontacts. I think there there's a lot
more energy from other places coming into support healing growth, new developments in
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consciousness and in technology. Have youseen the tesla's and cemeteries, uh huh,
Yeah, where you'd see actually thedead walking around. Yeah. Yeah.
So I have a friend who hasa tesla, and I did mention
it to her the other day.Now that she's back home. She was
back she was out in the Caribbeanfor a while and it's like, hello,
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we're going out in your tesla.This is going to be fun to
go at night though, Yo,day night, you can go day or
night. You see it on thescreen. Yeah, I'm so excited.
And do you stop? Do youlike you do it? You know in
the cemetery where you know, likeRon's buried or or Dad. You know,
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it would be so much fun.So it shows up on the cameras,
on the camera, it shows upon a on a screen, on
a it's not a camera per se, but it's it's a sensor. It's
a sensor, and it shows thatsomeone's walking. Yeah, and it shows
a person walking. Yeah. Andit's like, oh my gosh, oh
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my god, there's and you lookout the window of the car and no
one's there, but on the sensorof the of the screen it shows a
person. So is that illustrating technology? Yeah, developing that can prove yes,
yeah, that there are things thatexist beyond those that the five senses
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can detect. I think we'll havea lot of that. It's going to
be a lot of fun things thatare right. I think part of this
transition astrologically into the Age of Aquariusis invoked by Pluto's ingress into Aquarius,
which we've just had in recent weeks, and it will retrograde very very briefly
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later this year, just for afew months, back to like that twenty
eight and a half twenty nine degreecapricorn point. But those what what are
called anoretic degree points in astrology,the final degree point of twenty nine degrees
and the zero degree point, whichis the first degree. Those are like
crisis points where you know, it'slike a purging, a last minute desperation
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of holding on to the old asthe new is birthing. And so Pluto,
which is the planet slash largest asteroiddepending on how it's interpreted, because
we get that question all the timewith astrologers. Okay, wait, so
what does Pluto mean astrologically? Nowthat it's been downgraded to an asteroid,
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it's still a very very very largerock and it still has marked evolutionary and
crisis purging implications in the interest ofevolution for consciousness. So should we talk
for a few minutes about Pluto andAquarius? I'm wondering, Yes, I
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mean, you and I gave alengthy talk about that. We do.
We have an actual class that bothMatthew and I have on our websites.
If you want to see the class. There's a lot of astrology classes actually
that we've done, but we havedone one where Pluto clarious Right, Tara,
it's on your website, is yoursTara insight dot com. Yeah,
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Tara Insight dot com. And Matthewis Matthew Angele dot com. Is m
A T T H E W En G E L dot com. So
yeah, twisted as the under theAge of Aquarius on my website. And
Tara and I do a profit share, so it doesn't matter who, yeah,
who you buy the class from,It doesn't matter. And the classes
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are very affordable. Those downloads aretwenty twenty five dollars. Yeah. Yeah,
they're fun, They're great downloads,and you know we did it was
a good hour, hour and ahalf long class about the age of claric
query, specifically with Pluto. Yes, but highlights. Should we give a
few bullets relevant? Yeah? Yeah, do you want to? I know
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you you were just revisitings. Iknow you messaged me yesterday or the day
before saying you were watching our downloadsabout a year ago. What were some
of what were some of the highlightsof the year. Well, you know,
we felt that the age of Aquarius, and because Pluto started to come
in, uh you know it ithit was it October that at first hit
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well last year in twenty three,it hit Aquarius for a very short time,
right, and then retrograded back toCapricorn, right, and then it
was just January of this year,twenty four back to Aquarius. Right.
So we're in Aquarius now and yeah, and so it just seems appropriate,
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you know, because we're in moonand a Aquarius. Yeah, new moon
and Aquarius. We're in you know, in Aquarius. The sun is in
Aquarius right now. So it wasjust a stallion at this time with Aquarius.
And you and I also did aclass on the significance of the moon
cycles new moon and full moons andmoving through every single sign and the eclipses,
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the eclipses. Yeah, we've covereda lot of that in terms of
the more comprehensive discussion of the significanceof that. But you know, just
going back to a point from earliertoday, just we've got this like the
term you use when you and Ihave talked about Pluto before tera that really
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resonated for me. You always referto Pluto as jet fuel. Yeah,
it's jet fuel. It just ignites. Yeah, everything with that jet fuel
or constructive right, you choose rightand in order to grow something I've written
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about for years and years and years, I always say, crisis is the
platform for transformation because that is whatprompts us to delve more deeply into our
consciousness, into our pain, intoour patterning, into our thought constructs and
our beliefs, into our attachments,to take a really in depth look at
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how that's working for us and whatwe need to change and what traumas we
need to heal. Pluto transits,Pluto changes along with that jetful fuel.
It brings a lot of drama too. Oh yeah, you can bring in
drama. Pluto drama wo right,So Pluto drama with Aquarius would be totally
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different than some other then Pluto dramain Capricorn. Well, when Pluto went
into Capricorn, that is when theeconomy tanked two thousand and eight, we
had a lot coming hitting the newsabout policies and procedures and all of that
stuff that kind of set the bigbanks up for failure. And that was
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when it was kind of the beginningof Black Lives Matter and looking at those
economic and racial injustices it was thebeginning of a lot in the vernacular about
like the one percent movement, andthey were all of the you know,
the the marches and all of thatshutting down roads. You know. With
Aquarius, it's like the power tothe people. With Pluto, it's it's
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like consciousness awareness and what is theshadow or the darker side canvativity represented within
that archetype so in Capricorn, andthat was like economic structures and power structures
and all of the you know,the misuse of power and all the different,
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so many different ways that that playedout in our society. While Pluto
hitting Aquarius, what we're first lookingat is injustices and humanity injustices and where
social media has gone awry. Idon't want to get sent to Facebook or
meta jail here, which we werejoking about before the show. But there's
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been a lot of stuff hitting thenews. It was just there was a
New York Times article just this pastweek how Elon Musk with with Twitter which
is now called X. He gotapparently parting this article got rid of like
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the fact checkers for politics for theTwitter or the X feeds. So basically
like I guess, so it cango be wild, it can be post
all kinds of full mallarchy and there'sno fact checking, which had been implemented
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a few years to go. That'sbullying, so we got rid of it.
It's like that to me, isthat part of the shadow side of
social media where we just have thisit's social media is wonderful and that it
gives everybody a voice, it giveseverybody a platform. It's a way of
connecting people around the world. That'svery aquarian energy, very aquarium in a
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beautiful way. Yeah. Right,you and I became friends through social media,
like probably two thousand and eight,I think, yeah, you know,
with with the birth of early daysof Facebook. Yeah, but the
shadow side is when people start gettinginto all this bickering and the arguing and
start spewing fake information and exaggerated stuffthat's just removed from you know, and
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everybody's commenting it on and everybody startsbelieving fake news, right, fake news
in the dissemination rampant dissemination of it. That is the shadow side of Aquarius.
Yeah. Can I ask a questionabout like another aspect of Aquarius too,
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which which I usually incorporate us aslike part of the three eyes you
know, like the letter I whereit's you know, it's it's about you
know, new intelligence, new inventivenessand all that. But also the aspect
of independence. Yeah, it isbecause technology has a way of like again
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kind of like giving the individual avoice, as opposed to you know,
in the in the old world,it was like you know, you had
uh information that that was given fromfrom the top down. And now it's
like everyone you know has has anopinion and can can voice it, right.
So so that that idea of independenceor or being independent, being more
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of an individual, I mean thatcan go out into ways of you know,
expressing oneself in all of the socialways, but also in our spiritual
quest as well, you know,rather than looking for the group to be
a part of. It's like youknow, finding what resonates for for one
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as as an individual. Freedom,independence, Absolutely, those are very aquarian
expressions. And to your point,I think with people rejecting information or rules,
structure, discipline, tradition, conventionality, certain norms that may have been
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handed down from one generation to thenext, people are rejecting that. People
are rejecting corporate workplace rules. Peoplewant to work from home, people don't
want to like sell their souls tolike the corporate whatever, you know,
where they completely lose themselves and becomeunhealthy people. You know, the younger
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generation, particularly millennials and now genzers, who are you know, making
their way into the workforce. Youknow, some of the older generation.
A lot of people criticize the youngergeneration of saying, oh, they just
don't have any work ethic, theydon't want to work. Well, maybe
some don't, but also a lotof those younger generally younger generation adults are
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saying, wait a minute, no, I don't want to work to the
point where I am making myself sickin the corporate profits or just making money
or whatever. You know. They'rethey're looking at how they can you know,
be more creative working maybe smarter,not harder, right, because the
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old expression goes more creative ways ofworking. Yeah, utilizing the tech ichnology
for sure, right, absolutely usethat technology to be able to generate profits
and to get messaging out or justto work differently. That I think is
very aquarian, and I think,you know, those aquarian ideals compared to
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Pluto, which was in Capricorn,it's more about is this serving my independent
journey? Is it serving the collectiveconsciousness? Is it serving humanity versus is
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it serving an old, perhaps outdatedregime of authority and conventionality. I think
that's part of what working on withat least the Pluto in Aquarius years,
and Pluto will remain in Aquarius forI believe it's about twenty one years.
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Am I correct? Yeah, youknow, Pluto. Pluto moves in an
irregular ellipse around the Sun, soit's unlike most of the other planets,
it does not spend the exact sameamount of time in each sign. So
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we had approximately sixteen years of Plutoin Capricorn, whereas we've got I think
it's about twenty one years from beginningto complete. Yeah, and it's like
a two hundred and forty eight basiccycle of Saturn moving. Also, not
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everybody's Pluto or everybody's you know,signs will hit within that Pluto conjunction.
The thing is, it's very interestingas far as one it does, because
remember it hits the jet fuel becauseI have a stallium in Sagittarius. So
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when it was in Sagittarius, Pluto, oh wow, that must have been
my plenty for you. Yeah,yeah, that would have been nineties into
the early two thousands. Yeah,you were literally on fire. I was
on fire as sad as a firesign, right right, Yeah, but
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you know I thought, oh,lucky me. But it was fine.
You know, it was a lotof spinning out of control sometimes, but
it was Yeah, it was fine. I've lived through it, of course,
and probably rebirthed many times, manytimes, multiple lifetimes within a lifetime.
H That's really interesting because a lotof people would not ever live within
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one lifetime anyway to see Pluto conjunctingwith their son or their own or certain
planets. Because Pluto takes about twohundred and forty eight years to make its
way through all twelve zodiac signs,the majority of the population would not see
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within one lifetime. That set oftransits that you did. Isn't interesting,
So they think a bigger point alsoin looking at Pluto is that you know
Pluto because it stays in the samesign for a long period of time.
Pluto moo is very slowly and itis about purging and you know, consciousness,
evolution and death and rebirth literally ormetaphorically energetically on societal generational levels.
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But it also similarly affects an individualastrological birth chart. Yeah, very very
deeply in intimacy. So you haveto really look at where what Pluto is
doing within your own individual chart tosee what areas of your own life are
being knighted by that jet fuel.Right. Yeah, so Aquarius, it's
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a great sign, so thankful,thank you. Yeah, we're going into
you know, because Pisces. Itwould have been a little harder because you
know with the ages. Yeah,going back to the epos. Yeah,
you would pointed out moves in reverse. Unlike the planets moving around the Solar
system that go in you know,that sequence from Aries Taris, Daemini,
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Cancer, et cetera through Pisces atthe end of the zodiac, whereas the
with the epos or the ages,that actually is going in a reverse motion.
So while Pluto has transitioned from Capricornto Aquarius, we've you were pointing
up for the show that the eposwhere the ages are actually going in reverse.
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We're transitioning out of Pisces into Aquarius. Yeah. Yeah, and then
you think of the two thousand yearsbefore the would have been in Aries,
and that was a I mean tothink of what all all but you know,
it was like all those wars,all that building of civilization during that
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aries you know age and Taurus agehuge. The cow became everything, you
know, and you know that's whyit became sacred and the Age of Taurus.
Yeah, and yeah, allong theHathor in Egypt as well. You
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know. So it's just interesting,Jason. Before the show, you were
making a series of really good pointsabout, you know, what, how
the Age of Pisces might be contrastedto the Age of Aquarius, and I'm
curious if you would talk more aboutthat. Go for it, Jason,
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remember, like, yeah, right, well, I think that you know,
like because of the spiritual aspects thatthat also you know, the pisce
in age with you know, Christianityand and all being very you know,
it's like you have the symbols ofthe fish right for for for Christ and
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all that. But I think thatyou know, if if anything, it's
like we we look to build onour experiences, you know, as as
individuals, as a as a people, right, as as a as a
humanity, you know, rather thanjust kind of locking something in. It's
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about how it is that that weevolve, how it is that that we
you know, hopefully it's not alwaysthe case, but you know, we
hopefully learn from our our experiences andas we become more technologically advanced, how
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we again always that word to integrate, so so that we're we're not getting
too far ahead of ourselves, thatthat we you know, hold on to
those basic uh concepts of humanity,the things that hold us together as a
as a as a people, asa world, you know, because that
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that's really where where it. Youknow. The main differences are is that
instead of like someone being born anddying in in roughly the same area of
geography, it's like, you know, the entire world is is accessible to
us, you know, and thatthat is a relatively you know, new
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idea for for for anyone, forfor anyone to you know, come into
that all right, because of themeans of travel, of our awareness of
just you know, just saying oh, you know this this is like our
our world. You know, thisis this is where we live and and
we we can understand it, youknow, and uh, we can we
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can see it. We can wehave those shots from space saying this is
the planet. Right, we wehave a very you know, concise viewpoint
of that, and and so howwe how we expand on that, how
we how we build on that isthat's that's the part where you know,
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I think that what what we can'tbring to it as practitioners is is like
helping the individual like see how theycan expand uh, you know, their
their own their own world or theirown you know, worldview, their own
way of seeing how that they canh like activate their you know what I
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what I would call like their theirsense of greatest purpose you know, in
this life. I think what whatTara was talking about earlier, where you
know, it's it is about youknow, recognizing the the physical you know,
how to get like uh activated inin a way that you're you're you
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know, making the most of youryour talents, your gifts, but you're
you're bringing the two together where youryour your spiritual self and your physical self
come together and and get to thethe best possible you know, place or
outcome for for yourself as an individual. You know, I think that you
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know, we build on you know, to get back to you like that
that pisice in part of it.It's like you know, it's like we
do have a rich spiritual history withinour within our being. But but we
need to also make sure that theindividual is not being like just overlooked,
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you know, that that are ourown spiritual evolution, that that if there's
something that works for us as anindividual that didn't work as being part of
a group, that that we're we'reactivating that that we're not just ignoring that.
Thinking about your point about you know, kind of this rich spiritual history,
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and I'm thinking about the Age ofPisces, which corresponded with the birth
of Christianity and this very wide spreadfaith, which in many ways is beautiful,
but there can also be the lossof I think the shadow side of
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any religion or faith can be youknow, that there is a loss of
one's ability to think for oneself.You know, can we integrate some of
those teachings with our own belief system, Can we really feel that on a
deeper, more conscious level, orare we just you know, kind of
rattling off what the Sunday school teachersaid without having any sense of inner agency
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or any sense of integration of whatthat truly means. Well, maybe the
you know, the the evolution ofthat would be that with the Aquarius is
that you really are living your truth. Yeah, these things like it's not
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just about you, it's about everybody. You know, and you you you
tend to treat other people how youwould want to be treated in you do
the same thing, you know,with how you've learned. That's the golden
rule though, I mean that thatcan be you know, like one of
the greater lessons of the last twothousand years or you know, with with
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even like Christianity or you know,the religions that that teach about compassion.
You know that Hinduism and Buddhism thataren't they predated up two thousand years absolutely,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Butit's like you know with you know,
there's there's in the past. There'sjust been like areas that have their
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their religions and and all that arepart of the geography of it. But
because of this age of information andall, it's like being able to take
the best of the best, youknow, as an individual, to be
able to to yeah, to learnto see to put into practice what what
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is the best of the best fromfrom those those religions, so that those
those common threads that were woven inthe past, you know, for the
for for us to to be ableto you know, take on as as
a as an individual and and itmay not be so you know, relegated
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to the like the religious aspects,meaning like the terminology, you know,
but but the essence is there.It's like the the main points of it.
And and that too will evolve.It will evolve as as we you
know, go go further and andprobably you know, by the time it
hits Capricorn, you know, itwill probably get you know, like more
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uh more rigid as far as therules and you know, the disciplines of
it. But but for now too, you know, as as an individual,
to to explore, you know,these these potentials within them, and
and to not get to too lockedinto it. You know. I have
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a saying sometimes too to classes andall that, where it's like, if
we look to put God in abox, right, it's like we're we're
stifling our own uh spiritual connection.If we look to define things too hard,
then then we get you know,just just locked into as as to
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how it's going to evolve, bothnaturally and also with a you know,
that that sense of freedom that wecan move forward in with Piscy. Pisc's
needs faith. I mean, wewe all need some degree of faith,
but Pisc's energy is really going toBut I think part of the challenge is
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that there can be perhaps coming outof the pisc in age when there is
when faith turns into blind faith andfear and irrationality and projection. And there
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there because Pisces also has the murkiestof all boundaries, right of all the
signs of the zodiac, the moreshadow side of Pisces can be the loss
of self, you know, losingoneself in some kind of ideology, in
some kind of belief system, ineven more of like a tribal mentality,
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if you will, whereas to piggybackJason off of your point again, kind
of like with that aquarian independent spirit, if one is able to think and
believe and feel as kind of amaster of one's own inner agency while taking
elements of faith and belief and higherconsciousness and thinking, and then universalize that
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to say, okay, I mayfor example, have come from a different
religious faith or spiritual faith system thanyou, but there is oneness still in
all of That makes me think ofthe term namastae, which translates to you
know through you know the light inmy spirit. I see and honor the
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light in yours that regardless of ourideologies, of our backgrounds, we can
take an essence, bits and piecesa sprinkling from that and still see this
universal oneness and a very healthy respectfor our differences and know that there is
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actually divinity indifference. Well that's veryAquarium, right, And it may be
the like some of the health issuesand the health and mental health issues of
this last part of Pisces, becauseyou know that twenty nine degrees Pisces.
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I mean that's tough, you know, so whatever that's been going through,
dragging through our society, you know, and the Pisces age is you know,
maybe you know the last karma ofsome of that, whereas it's like
no, no, you know,Quarius. Hopefully the age of Aquarius will
will come in and have a lotmore solving, right, there's a solution
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to that, let's just say,right, yeah, I mean, actually
that's a great point to the endof the age of Pisces. Mental health,
so many teens particularly are at thisin these last several years. But
you know, there's just been asurge in the struggle with depression, with
anxiety, and on the positive note, there's been a language and a voice
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given to that, yeah, anddiscussion and accessibility and getting kids into therapy,
getting them support, coming together,talking about that shared experience, normalizing
some of that so that it's notjust hidden in a more subversive way.
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Because of course the things that wefeel and we experience that there is no
voice for those are the things thatfester and make it worse. We have
to give we have to get ourpain out and give it a voice in
order to heal it. And Ithink part of the transition also then into
Aquarius. Of course, with theage of technology, there's access to therapy
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and courses and development, you know, through technology, case and point,
you know. For my own privatepractice, I mean I had been doing
some work remotely for any number ofyears. When COVID hit, as many
practitioners, I shifted my entire practiceonline. I have not gone back.
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All of my therapy clients, mycoaching clients, my astrology, hypnotherapy.
It's all online, which then makesit more accessible universally speaking, using the
technology the airwaves to get that right. The same thing and Jason does the
same thing. But I did youknow, I do have new space,
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so I do have an office toanyone who wants an appointment there you go.
Yes, yeah, you can useit too. I have to come
down to la it to access it, but thank you. Maybe it will
for a workshop or to coach eachother. Oh yes, absolutely, because
I do have meeting space too,so yeah that's great, great, great.
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You know, now you have tohave free parking and you know none
of this ridiculous part in the metropolitanarea having parking that is a thing that
people to get there. Some peoplewill will like totally like just not like
do anything because it's like, well, how how how do I park when
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I get there or whatever, andit's like, oh, it's like a
oh big deal. I'm an eventthe other night and it was thirty dollars
for parking and by the time youget a tip and everything, Yeah,
because you don't want to leave theperson out. Is like, you know,
are these people being paid? Arethey living only on tips? Right?
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You're not gonna you know? Itwas crazy, right. Yeah.
Having had private practice offices in Essentialneighborhood in San Francisco for seventeen eighteen years,
whenever I get a new client,I'd be sending this email like with
all of the like here are thelittle side streets where you're more likely to
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find parking. These are the areasthat have parking restrictions on these days,
those hours. Yeah, it wasYeah, I don't like any of that
stuff, right nik. I lovenot having to deal with that now,
Yes, I know, I know. Yeah, mm hmm. I'm not
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had to deal with that too much. But so what is your your website?
Matthew? Oh, it's Matthewangle dotcom. N A T T H
E W E N G E Ldot com. Actually, I'll put it
in there, you go. Iput it in the chat box for those
(51:31):
who are watching visually. I don'tknow if that showed up on the Facebook
stream. Yeah, awesome, howyou Jason? What is your my my
website? Jason D McKean j AS O N D. As in Dumbledore
the Wizard, well dragon lord todaybecause of the it's going we're going into
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Chinese New Year, all right,and I am a dragon. I am
born in the Year of the Dragons, looking forward to a spectacular year.
But the last part McKean m cK Yeah, Yen dot com Jason D
McKean dot com. Did I getit right? Oh? Yeah, there
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you go. Fantastic, Thank you, Matthew. Yeah, and I'm Kara
Insight dot com last but definitely notleast host. Yes, So, Jason,
are you doing any Japanese seminars thisweek? I did last week and
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you know, technology, it's amazing. I have a translator who, you
know, does all of the thetranslating of hopefully you know, she's just
making me sound more intelligent better.You know, maybe maybe it's a totally
different course. She's just like heragenda, but uh, it's uh,
it's really wonderful to be able toteach in another land, right, and
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it's very aquarium, Yes, veryaquarian. You are both so gifted,
energetic on so many levels, butyou both find these like random people to
totally get the tech out there tototally help with this facet of the business
of the other. You're both exceptionallyresourceful in having someone who will help with
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this part, that part, theother part to get the you know,
the nuts and bolts out. Yeah, we gotta get the nuts welks together.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well,thank you for being on the show.
Guys. It's my pleasure connecting withboth of you. Yeah. Happy
Age of Aquarius everybody, yeah fariousyeah, and you're of the dragon.
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Happy Chinese New Year, Yeah,new Moon, new Moon and rye that
that free love, the dawning ofthe age of Aquarius. It always makes
me think of the theme song fromthe musical Hair sing it. I won't
sing it because I don't want toscare away, But Jason, you've got
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that beautiful and understanding sympathy. Enjoya bone, yeah yeah. Lots of
love everybody, and blessings you aswell. Take care
Welcome to Transformations with Tara. ThisTara Seton and my guests today are Matthew
Engel and he is an incredible astrologer. He's also an incredible hypnotherapist and psychotherapist
and he is just amazing. SoI have been working with my with Matthew
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for a long long time with astrologyshows and also classes. We've been doing
a lot of classes, a lotof theories, and so welcome, Thank
you. It's always it's always ajoy. Yeah. And Jason Demi Keean.
He is the OLM Tara Wizard.He is the voice of over a
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million OM recordings throughout the world.And thank you Jason for being on the
show. Thank you, Tara.And Hi Matthew. Hey Jason too.
It's great to see you too.It's a pleasure to have both of you
together. Oh yeah, it's beengreat. It has been so great.
Anyway, So we were having alittle bit of an odd technical difficulty.
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So I was working on that thismorning and we were talking about the musical
hair because you know, we weretalking about how the Age of Aquarius,
you know, it was like howmany years ago, was that something like
fifty or something or forty five yearsago that that became like a popular thing,
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and how was maybe the Age ofAquarius. Was it coming in then
or was it the shadow you know, that the shadow beginning to come into
because it's definitely you know, youcan look back at the twentieth century and
it was an absolutely different time thanthe rest of you know, a couple
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thousand years before them, you know, what a difference. And so yeah,
so we're definitely going into something else. And we were talking about how
the the it's always going it's goingbackwards the Age of Aquarius because it was
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the Age of Pisces and now it'sgoing into the Age of Aquarius. Where
exactly it comes in, we're notsure the epochs. It's it's something like
two thousand, five hundred years orsomething that each epoch stays in and so
it's a very gradual transition from oneage, gradual like over the course of
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a good couple hundred years, right, Yes, And so maybe there's a
couple of real specialists astrologers out therethat kind of know the exact but we
do know that now through this twohundred and forty year stage, we're going
now into Pluto, that's Aquarius withPluto that just went into Aquarius. In
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recent weeks, we've had a lotof Aquarius. You know, we are
coming in really slamming it into beinga together world. This week is particularly
significant. I mean, Pluto justingressed into Aquarius within the last few weeks,
first of all, and then earlierthis week, just a few days
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ago, Pluto was conjuncting, soin an exact alignment at zero degree,
which is that first degree point ofAquarius. And today, of course we've
got a new moon and Aquarius.So I just feel like, even like
literally as we're speaking, this islike a jet fuel jumpstart moments. Yes,
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right, it is. You know, if you think of that gradual
transition period of the epochs, thereare certain pivotal points that are more exaggerated
moments of transition. And I wouldsay, literally, as we're talking,
we're like in it, Yeah,in it, We're in it. So
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now with that, what do wedo with it? What does aquarius mean?
Tell us Matthew. So I thinkfirst we want to just kind of
look at Yeah, what is thearc type of Aquarius? So Aquarius is
an air sign. So we're talkingintellect, we're talking concepts, we're talking
technology. We're talking science, we'retalking data, we're talking fact, we're
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talking new information, we're talking newdevelopments. We're talking tenacity. Because Aquarius
is a fixed sign, we're alsotalking about humanity. We're talking about unconditional
love and acceptance and a breakdown ofbarriers of race, class, gender,
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gender roles and stereotypes, sexual orientation, a lot of a breakdown of a
lot of that old kind of fearbased tribal mentality of like us against them
and shifting into something because Aquarius ismore of like the water bearer, the
giver, the lover, the acceptorof all human kind and recognizing that we
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are all one and the same,We all come from the same source,
we are all connected on a soullevel. The physical bodies into which we're
born, these are just temporary shells. We have all lived and will live
lifetimes of different races and genders andclasses and experiences and ways of viewing the
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world, world and lifestyles and culturesand so on and so forth. So
Aquarius is really getting into like thatuniversal oneness and a lot of development with
technology and science to really bring itdown into like a nutshell blurb and about
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eighteen hundred years, they'll be goingto other planets probably for sure, Yeah,
right, And don't they say sometimesthat you know that maybe the all
the aliens that are are being seen, they're actually our future. Maybe they're
our future selves coming back to sea. Whoop right right? Or what we
did wrong? Right? You know, I've done past life aggression. They's
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a past life with regression with clients, and some of the stuff that they've
channeled has been that a human lifetimethere can actually be with souls who come
from other planets, other galaxies,other solar systems. Sometimes they'll choose to
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come into a human lifetime on Earthto further provide service, to further the
nuances of that soul's growth. Butthat also there can be a series of
human lifetimes that are all comprised withinone lifetime in the kind of time space
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continuum of a lifetime for the soulin that other planet or other galaxy,
which I thought is particularly interesting.And let's come up with a number of
clients over the years. So wethink of like this birth to death as
though it's this one linear process forthe soul. It may only be a
snippet or a chapter within a largerscope of lifetime and evolution for those folks
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who are maybe coming from others,that's what yeah, And I've well and
I think that other places, probablyeverybody is from us somewhere else maybe original.
I mean, we don't really knowwhere the concept of who we are
is from, right, So youknow, maybe that is a truth,
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but it's right, it's still youknow, it's still out there. Whereas
you know, when I was youngerand doing all this work, people would
say, you know, are youwhat do you feel about aliens? What
do you feel about this? Youknow, and it's such a trend now.
And the thing is is that Ididn't. I mean, I think
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that living upon the earth is alot of hard work, and so it's
like, let's get on it.Yeah, it's very energetically experience. Yeah,
let's keep this experience going just aseasy as possible and know that those
possibilities are there. But it's notanything that you can do thing about,
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and it's not anything that's really goingto help your life, or maybe even
it can hurt your life if youdon't you know, have your feet on
the ground. So you know,that was my that was my rationalization to
people, right, I think ifyou can do for the soul to have
the experience of working through the hardshipsand the struggles and the emotional turmoil and
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the losses and the physical attachments andthe need for you know, all of
our basic physical needs in a physicalhuman body, for the soul to manage
that. Because it's such a denseexperience, it's like the soul is getting
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a deeper, more immersive learning experienceand its evolution as opposed to her.
By contrast, the soul is maybein another planet, another galaxy, different
lifetime, where it's less of aphysically dense, a less emotionally dense,
a less attachment dense, a lesssurvival dense, energetic platform. So sometimes
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I think often souls choose to cometo Earth because this is like a harder
classroom. Yeah, and everybody who'son the planet now is here, you
know, kind of energy, youknow, symbolically mopping decks. Everybody is
doing hard work, everybody. Yeah. So yeah, so the Age of
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Aquarius, we're hoping that that willbe an easier, easier time. I
think every every time has its challenges. Yeah, right, as far as
you know, it's like we're talkingabout like getting our act together, right,
like like getting our own in ahouse in order as an individual,
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Right, it's like as a asa society, as a as a humanity,
as a as a people, especiallywith a broadening awareness, right of
like that there's way more out there. It's like, uh, you know,
I go back to kind of thatthat movie Contact, right where with
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Jodie Foster and all, where it'slike, how does one take a representation
of of how it is that welive on this planet and all out into
like other other worlds, right,and you know, to to kind of
have have our best foot forward,you know, having our act together.
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And I think that with with Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius, right,
it's like having all this this technologicalinformation and uh, just knowledge at our
at our fingertips, right, It'slike, how do we integrate all of
that and still again like have haveour have our act together so that we're
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you know, we're we're doing ourbest with it. Jason, I think
you're what you're referring to in termsof the integration. To me, that's
particularly salient because you know, wecan meditate on the hilltops and have this
divine, spiritual, peaceful experience whereyou know, we're just at one with
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the universe, with our spirit guides, our angels, all the beautiful healing
forces the universe we can be channelingpsychically, and then we get back in
our cars and get stuck in trafficand have to navigate the challenges in our
place with our spouses, our kids, the you know, the wi fi
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that goes out the neighbor who's annoyingand pissing us off and whatever. You
know, it's like that's coming backto Earth school. Taking that the integration
of that wisdom, that piece andenergy, and then applying it to the
three D world. That's where itgets real. That's where the work comes
in, because we're not really growingif we're just sitting in a meditative state
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all day. We can't do that. Yeah, we can revisit. That
is a big one, the teacher. Yeah, it's a good one.
Neighbors, spouses, kids, friends, x's they're all challenges to that dble
like Buddhists, you know, notattached divine, peaceful, peaceful energy.
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But Jason, I think your pointabout the integration, it's applying you know,
the difference, like the different theysay, the difference between knowledge and
wisdom. Knowledge is something you know, you think up here you you intellectually
understand wisdom and the ability to applythat, yeah, in your day to
day existence. What this very gradualtransition into Aquarius is. I mean,
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I think we can apply that withyou know, if we look at something
like so much more vernacular, youknow, like with Black lives Matter,
and you know, racial and economicdiscrepancies and gender fluidity and gender stereotypes and
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all that kind of stuff. Thereare so many people who like in theory
support any of this equality, yetin practice don't really grasp you know,
and yet have their own kind ofshadowy judgments and microaggressions and all that kind
of stuff. So it's like we'reall continuing to learn like oh wait,
yeah, conceptually I totally support thistype of equ and yet we all have
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these moments where it's like, ohwait a minute, get your judgments in
chat. We needed it, likethe practical application in our lives. We
need the practice of it right sothat it we just have like the muscle
memory of it too, you know, in the in the physical right.
And I think Aquarius, by nature, it's going to force us like it
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or not. It's going to bringus into much greater presence with people who
outwardly anyway are different than us,who are alien to us in one way
or another, right you alien?Yeah, right right, any of us
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are alien to somebody else who've walkeda different walk than we have, right.
Yeah. When you think about likethe you know, like the concept
of aliens you know, from otherother planets and all that, like coming
in a place of benevolence. Butbut they have their stuff too, you
know that that their their own likepersonal right, you know, stuff that
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they they work through, So youknow, are like the best representatives coming
you know from from other worlds.All right, right, I think we're
going to have a lot more aliencontacts. I think there there's a lot
more energy from other places coming into support healing growth, new developments in
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consciousness and in technology. Have youseen the tesla's and cemeteries, uh huh,
Yeah, where you'd see actually thedead walking around. Yeah. Yeah.
So I have a friend who hasa tesla, and I did mention
it to her the other day.Now that she's back home. She was
back she was out in the Caribbeanfor a while and it's like, hello,
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we're going out in your tesla.This is going to be fun to
go at night though, Yo,day night, you can go day or
night. You see it on thescreen. Yeah, I'm so excited.
And do you stop? Do youlike you do it? You know in
the cemetery where you know, likeRon's buried or or Dad. You know,
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it would be so much fun.So it shows up on the cameras,
on the camera, it shows upon a on a screen, on
a it's not a camera per se, but it's it's a sensor. It's
a sensor, and it shows thatsomeone's walking. Yeah, and it shows
a person walking. Yeah. Andit's like, oh my gosh, oh
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my god, there's and you lookout the window of the car and no
one's there, but on the sensorof the of the screen it shows a
person. So is that illustrating technology? Yeah, developing that can prove yes,
yeah, that there are things thatexist beyond those that the five senses
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can detect. I think we'll havea lot of that. It's going to
be a lot of fun things thatare right. I think part of this
transition astrologically into the Age of Aquariusis invoked by Pluto's ingress into Aquarius,
which we've just had in recent weeks, and it will retrograde very very briefly
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later this year, just for afew months, back to like that twenty
eight and a half twenty nine degreecapricorn point. But those what what are
called anoretic degree points in astrology,the final degree point of twenty nine degrees
and the zero degree point, whichis the first degree. Those are like
crisis points where you know, it'slike a purging, a last minute desperation
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of holding on to the old asthe new is birthing. And so Pluto,
which is the planet slash largest asteroiddepending on how it's interpreted, because
we get that question all the timewith astrologers. Okay, wait, so
what does Pluto mean astrologically? Nowthat it's been downgraded to an asteroid,
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it's still a very very very largerock and it still has marked evolutionary and
crisis purging implications in the interest ofevolution for consciousness. So should we talk
for a few minutes about Pluto andAquarius? I'm wondering, Yes, I
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mean, you and I gave alengthy talk about that. We do.
We have an actual class that bothMatthew and I have on our websites.
If you want to see the class. There's a lot of astrology classes actually
that we've done, but we havedone one where Pluto clarious Right, Tara,
it's on your website, is yoursTara insight dot com. Yeah,
(20:06):
Tara Insight dot com. And Matthewis Matthew Angele dot com. Is m
A T T H E W En G E L dot com. So
yeah, twisted as the under theAge of Aquarius on my website. And
Tara and I do a profit share, so it doesn't matter who, yeah,
who you buy the class from,It doesn't matter. And the classes
(20:27):
are very affordable. Those downloads aretwenty twenty five dollars. Yeah. Yeah,
they're fun, They're great downloads,and you know we did it was
a good hour, hour and ahalf long class about the age of claric
query, specifically with Pluto. Yes, but highlights. Should we give a
few bullets relevant? Yeah? Yeah, do you want to? I know
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you you were just revisitings. Iknow you messaged me yesterday or the day
before saying you were watching our downloadsabout a year ago. What were some
of what were some of the highlightsof the year. Well, you know,
we felt that the age of Aquarius, and because Pluto started to come
in, uh you know it ithit was it October that at first hit
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well last year in twenty three,it hit Aquarius for a very short time,
right, and then retrograded back toCapricorn, right, and then it
was just January of this year,twenty four back to Aquarius. Right.
So we're in Aquarius now and yeah, and so it just seems appropriate,
(21:41):
you know, because we're in moonand a Aquarius. Yeah, new moon
and Aquarius. We're in you know, in Aquarius. The sun is in
Aquarius right now. So it wasjust a stallion at this time with Aquarius.
And you and I also did aclass on the significance of the moon
cycles new moon and full moons andmoving through every single sign and the eclipses,
(22:04):
the eclipses. Yeah, we've covereda lot of that in terms of
the more comprehensive discussion of the significanceof that. But you know, just
going back to a point from earliertoday, just we've got this like the
term you use when you and Ihave talked about Pluto before tera that really
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resonated for me. You always referto Pluto as jet fuel. Yeah,
it's jet fuel. It just ignites. Yeah, everything with that jet fuel
or constructive right, you choose rightand in order to grow something I've written
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about for years and years and years, I always say, crisis is the
platform for transformation because that is whatprompts us to delve more deeply into our
consciousness, into our pain, intoour patterning, into our thought constructs and
our beliefs, into our attachments,to take a really in depth look at
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how that's working for us and whatwe need to change and what traumas we
need to heal. Pluto transits,Pluto changes along with that jetful fuel.
It brings a lot of drama too. Oh yeah, you can bring in
drama. Pluto drama wo right,So Pluto drama with Aquarius would be totally
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different than some other then Pluto dramain Capricorn. Well, when Pluto went
into Capricorn, that is when theeconomy tanked two thousand and eight, we
had a lot coming hitting the newsabout policies and procedures and all of that
stuff that kind of set the bigbanks up for failure. And that was
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when it was kind of the beginningof Black Lives Matter and looking at those
economic and racial injustices it was thebeginning of a lot in the vernacular about
like the one percent movement, andthey were all of the you know,
the the marches and all of thatshutting down roads. You know. With
Aquarius, it's like the power tothe people. With Pluto, it's it's
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like consciousness awareness and what is theshadow or the darker side canvativity represented within
that archetype so in Capricorn, andthat was like economic structures and power structures
and all of the you know,the misuse of power and all the different,
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so many different ways that that playedout in our society. While Pluto
hitting Aquarius, what we're first lookingat is injustices and humanity injustices and where
social media has gone awry. Idon't want to get sent to Facebook or
meta jail here, which we werejoking about before the show. But there's
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been a lot of stuff hitting thenews. It was just there was a
New York Times article just this pastweek how Elon Musk with with Twitter which
is now called X. He gotapparently parting this article got rid of like
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the fact checkers for politics for theTwitter or the X feeds. So basically
like I guess, so it cango be wild, it can be post
all kinds of full mallarchy and there'sno fact checking, which had been implemented
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a few years to go. That'sbullying, so we got rid of it.
It's like that to me, isthat part of the shadow side of
social media where we just have thisit's social media is wonderful and that it
gives everybody a voice, it giveseverybody a platform. It's a way of
connecting people around the world. That'svery aquarian energy, very aquarium in a
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beautiful way. Yeah. Right,you and I became friends through social media,
like probably two thousand and eight,I think, yeah, you know,
with with the birth of early daysof Facebook. Yeah, but the
shadow side is when people start gettinginto all this bickering and the arguing and
start spewing fake information and exaggerated stuffthat's just removed from you know, and
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everybody's commenting it on and everybody startsbelieving fake news, right, fake news
in the dissemination rampant dissemination of it. That is the shadow side of Aquarius.
Yeah. Can I ask a questionabout like another aspect of Aquarius too,
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which which I usually incorporate us aslike part of the three eyes you
know, like the letter I whereit's you know, it's it's about you
know, new intelligence, new inventivenessand all that. But also the aspect
of independence. Yeah, it isbecause technology has a way of like again
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kind of like giving the individual avoice, as opposed to you know,
in the in the old world,it was like you know, you had
uh information that that was given fromfrom the top down. And now it's
like everyone you know has has anopinion and can can voice it, right.
So so that that idea of independenceor or being independent, being more
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of an individual, I mean thatcan go out into ways of you know,
expressing oneself in all of the socialways, but also in our spiritual
quest as well, you know,rather than looking for the group to be
a part of. It's like youknow, finding what resonates for for one
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as as an individual. Freedom,independence, Absolutely, those are very aquarian
expressions. And to your point,I think with people rejecting information or rules,
structure, discipline, tradition, conventionality, certain norms that may have been
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handed down from one generation to thenext, people are rejecting that. People
are rejecting corporate workplace rules. Peoplewant to work from home, people don't
want to like sell their souls tolike the corporate whatever, you know,
where they completely lose themselves and becomeunhealthy people. You know, the younger
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generation, particularly millennials and now genzers, who are you know, making
their way into the workforce. Youknow, some of the older generation.
A lot of people criticize the youngergeneration of saying, oh, they just
don't have any work ethic, theydon't want to work. Well, maybe
some don't, but also a lotof those younger generally younger generation adults are
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saying, wait a minute, no, I don't want to work to the
point where I am making myself sickin the corporate profits or just making money
or whatever. You know. They'rethey're looking at how they can you know,
be more creative working maybe smarter,not harder, right, because the
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old expression goes more creative ways ofworking. Yeah, utilizing the tech ichnology
for sure, right, absolutely usethat technology to be able to generate profits
and to get messaging out or justto work differently. That I think is
very aquarian, and I think,you know, those aquarian ideals compared to
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Pluto, which was in Capricorn,it's more about is this serving my independent
journey? Is it serving the collectiveconsciousness? Is it serving humanity versus is
(30:38):
it serving an old, perhaps outdatedregime of authority and conventionality. I think
that's part of what working on withat least the Pluto in Aquarius years,
and Pluto will remain in Aquarius forI believe it's about twenty one years.
(31:02):
Am I correct? Yeah, youknow, Pluto. Pluto moves in an
irregular ellipse around the Sun, soit's unlike most of the other planets,
it does not spend the exact sameamount of time in each sign. So
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we had approximately sixteen years of Plutoin Capricorn, whereas we've got I think
it's about twenty one years from beginningto complete. Yeah, and it's like
a two hundred and forty eight basiccycle of Saturn moving. Also, not
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everybody's Pluto or everybody's you know,signs will hit within that Pluto conjunction.
The thing is, it's very interestingas far as one it does, because
remember it hits the jet fuel becauseI have a stallium in Sagittarius. So
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when it was in Sagittarius, Pluto, oh wow, that must have been
my plenty for you. Yeah,yeah, that would have been nineties into
the early two thousands. Yeah,you were literally on fire. I was
on fire as sad as a firesign, right right, Yeah, but
(32:28):
you know I thought, oh,lucky me. But it was fine.
You know, it was a lotof spinning out of control sometimes, but
it was Yeah, it was fine. I've lived through it, of course,
and probably rebirthed many times, manytimes, multiple lifetimes within a lifetime.
H That's really interesting because a lotof people would not ever live within
(32:52):
one lifetime anyway to see Pluto conjunctingwith their son or their own or certain
planets. Because Pluto takes about twohundred and forty eight years to make its
way through all twelve zodiac signs,the majority of the population would not see
(33:12):
within one lifetime. That set oftransits that you did. Isn't interesting,
So they think a bigger point alsoin looking at Pluto is that you know
Pluto because it stays in the samesign for a long period of time.
Pluto moo is very slowly and itis about purging and you know, consciousness,
evolution and death and rebirth literally ormetaphorically energetically on societal generational levels.
(33:39):
But it also similarly affects an individualastrological birth chart. Yeah, very very
deeply in intimacy. So you haveto really look at where what Pluto is
doing within your own individual chart tosee what areas of your own life are
being knighted by that jet fuel.Right. Yeah, so Aquarius, it's
(34:07):
a great sign, so thankful,thank you. Yeah, we're going into
you know, because Pisces. Itwould have been a little harder because you
know with the ages. Yeah,going back to the epos. Yeah,
you would pointed out moves in reverse. Unlike the planets moving around the Solar
system that go in you know,that sequence from Aries Taris, Daemini,
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Cancer, et cetera through Pisces atthe end of the zodiac, whereas the
with the epos or the ages,that actually is going in a reverse motion.
So while Pluto has transitioned from Capricornto Aquarius, we've you were pointing
up for the show that the eposwhere the ages are actually going in reverse.
(34:52):
We're transitioning out of Pisces into Aquarius. Yeah. Yeah, and then
you think of the two thousand yearsbefore the would have been in Aries,
and that was a I mean tothink of what all all but you know,
it was like all those wars,all that building of civilization during that
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aries you know age and Taurus agehuge. The cow became everything, you
know, and you know that's whyit became sacred and the Age of Taurus.
Yeah, and yeah, allong theHathor in Egypt as well. You
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know. So it's just interesting,Jason. Before the show, you were
making a series of really good pointsabout, you know, what, how
the Age of Pisces might be contrastedto the Age of Aquarius, and I'm
curious if you would talk more aboutthat. Go for it, Jason,
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remember, like, yeah, right, well, I think that you know,
like because of the spiritual aspects thatthat also you know, the pisce
in age with you know, Christianityand and all being very you know,
it's like you have the symbols ofthe fish right for for for Christ and
(36:22):
all that. But I think thatyou know, if if anything, it's
like we we look to build onour experiences, you know, as as
individuals, as a as a people, right, as as a as a
humanity, you know, rather thanjust kind of locking something in. It's
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about how it is that that weevolve, how it is that that we
you know, hopefully it's not alwaysthe case, but you know, we
hopefully learn from our our experiences andas we become more technologically advanced, how
(37:06):
we again always that word to integrate, so so that we're we're not getting
too far ahead of ourselves, thatthat we you know, hold on to
those basic uh concepts of humanity,the things that hold us together as a
as a as a people, asa world, you know, because that
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that's really where where it. Youknow. The main differences are is that
instead of like someone being born anddying in in roughly the same area of
geography, it's like, you know, the entire world is is accessible to
us, you know, and thatthat is a relatively you know, new
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idea for for for anyone, forfor anyone to you know, come into
that all right, because of themeans of travel, of our awareness of
just you know, just saying oh, you know this this is like our
our world. You know, thisis this is where we live and and
we we can understand it, youknow, and uh, we can we
(38:15):
can see it. We can wehave those shots from space saying this is
the planet. Right, we wehave a very you know, concise viewpoint
of that, and and so howwe how we expand on that, how
we how we build on that isthat's that's the part where you know,
(38:39):
I think that what what we can'tbring to it as practitioners is is like
helping the individual like see how theycan expand uh, you know, their
their own their own world or theirown you know, worldview, their own
way of seeing how that they canh like activate their you know what I
(39:05):
what I would call like their theirsense of greatest purpose you know, in
this life. I think what whatTara was talking about earlier, where you
know, it's it is about youknow, recognizing the the physical you know,
how to get like uh activated inin a way that you're you're you
(39:27):
know, making the most of youryour talents, your gifts, but you're
you're bringing the two together where youryour your spiritual self and your physical self
come together and and get to thethe best possible you know, place or
outcome for for yourself as an individual. You know, I think that you
(39:53):
know, we build on you know, to get back to you like that
that pisice in part of it.It's like you know, it's like we
do have a rich spiritual history withinour within our being. But but we
need to also make sure that theindividual is not being like just overlooked,
(40:17):
you know, that that are ourown spiritual evolution, that that if there's
something that works for us as anindividual that didn't work as being part of
a group, that that we're we'reactivating that that we're not just ignoring that.
Thinking about your point about you know, kind of this rich spiritual history,
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and I'm thinking about the Age ofPisces, which corresponded with the birth
of Christianity and this very wide spreadfaith, which in many ways is beautiful,
but there can also be the lossof I think the shadow side of
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any religion or faith can be youknow, that there is a loss of
one's ability to think for oneself.You know, can we integrate some of
those teachings with our own belief system, Can we really feel that on a
deeper, more conscious level, orare we just you know, kind of
rattling off what the Sunday school teachersaid without having any sense of inner agency
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or any sense of integration of whatthat truly means. Well, maybe the
you know, the the evolution ofthat would be that with the Aquarius is
that you really are living your truth. Yeah, these things like it's not
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just about you, it's about everybody. You know, and you you you
tend to treat other people how youwould want to be treated in you do
the same thing, you know,with how you've learned. That's the golden
rule though, I mean that thatcan be you know, like one of
the greater lessons of the last twothousand years or you know, with with
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even like Christianity or you know,the religions that that teach about compassion.
You know that Hinduism and Buddhism thataren't they predated up two thousand years absolutely,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Butit's like you know with you know,
there's there's in the past. There'sjust been like areas that have their
(42:31):
their religions and and all that arepart of the geography of it. But
because of this age of information andall, it's like being able to take
the best of the best, youknow, as an individual, to be
able to to yeah, to learnto see to put into practice what what
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is the best of the best fromfrom those those religions, so that those
those common threads that were woven inthe past, you know, for the
for for us to to be ableto you know, take on as as
a as an individual and and itmay not be so you know, relegated
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to the like the religious aspects,meaning like the terminology, you know,
but but the essence is there.It's like the the main points of it.
And and that too will evolve.It will evolve as as we you
know, go go further and andprobably you know, by the time it
hits Capricorn, you know, itwill probably get you know, like more
(43:45):
uh more rigid as far as therules and you know, the disciplines of
it. But but for now too, you know, as as an individual,
to to explore, you know,these these potentials within them, and
and to not get to too lockedinto it. You know. I have
(44:06):
a saying sometimes too to classes andall that, where it's like, if
we look to put God in abox, right, it's like we're we're
stifling our own uh spiritual connection.If we look to define things too hard,
then then we get you know,just just locked into as as to
(44:28):
how it's going to evolve, bothnaturally and also with a you know,
that that sense of freedom that wecan move forward in with Piscy. Pisc's
needs faith. I mean, wewe all need some degree of faith,
but Pisc's energy is really going toBut I think part of the challenge is
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that there can be perhaps coming outof the pisc in age when there is
when faith turns into blind faith andfear and irrationality and projection. And there
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there because Pisces also has the murkiestof all boundaries, right of all the
signs of the zodiac, the moreshadow side of Pisces can be the loss
of self, you know, losingoneself in some kind of ideology, in
some kind of belief system, ineven more of like a tribal mentality,
(45:37):
if you will, whereas to piggybackJason off of your point again, kind
of like with that aquarian independent spirit, if one is able to think and
believe and feel as kind of amaster of one's own inner agency while taking
elements of faith and belief and higherconsciousness and thinking, and then universalize that
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to say, okay, I mayfor example, have come from a different
religious faith or spiritual faith system thanyou, but there is oneness still in
all of That makes me think ofthe term namastae, which translates to you
know through you know the light inmy spirit. I see and honor the
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light in yours that regardless of ourideologies, of our backgrounds, we can
take an essence, bits and piecesa sprinkling from that and still see this
universal oneness and a very healthy respectfor our differences and know that there is
(46:45):
actually divinity indifference. Well that's veryAquarium, right, And it may be
the like some of the health issuesand the health and mental health issues of
this last part of Pisces, becauseyou know that twenty nine degrees Pisces.
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I mean that's tough, you know, so whatever that's been going through,
dragging through our society, you know, and the Pisces age is you know,
maybe you know the last karma ofsome of that, whereas it's like
no, no, you know,Quarius. Hopefully the age of Aquarius will
will come in and have a lotmore solving, right, there's a solution
(47:30):
to that, let's just say,right, yeah, I mean, actually
that's a great point to the endof the age of Pisces. Mental health,
so many teens particularly are at thisin these last several years. But
you know, there's just been asurge in the struggle with depression, with
anxiety, and on the positive note, there's been a language and a voice
(47:54):
given to that, yeah, anddiscussion and accessibility and getting kids into therapy,
getting them support, coming together,talking about that shared experience, normalizing
some of that so that it's notjust hidden in a more subversive way.
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Because of course the things that wefeel and we experience that there is no
voice for those are the things thatfester and make it worse. We have
to give we have to get ourpain out and give it a voice in
order to heal it. And Ithink part of the transition also then into
Aquarius. Of course, with theage of technology, there's access to therapy
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and courses and development, you know, through technology, case and point,
you know. For my own privatepractice, I mean I had been doing
some work remotely for any number ofyears. When COVID hit, as many
practitioners, I shifted my entire practiceonline. I have not gone back.
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All of my therapy clients, mycoaching clients, my astrology, hypnotherapy.
It's all online, which then makesit more accessible universally speaking, using the
technology the airwaves to get that right. The same thing and Jason does the
same thing. But I did youknow, I do have new space,
(49:25):
so I do have an office toanyone who wants an appointment there you go.
Yes, yeah, you can useit too. I have to come
down to la it to access it, but thank you. Maybe it will
for a workshop or to coach eachother. Oh yes, absolutely, because
I do have meeting space too,so yeah that's great, great, great.
(49:47):
You know, now you have tohave free parking and you know none
of this ridiculous part in the metropolitanarea having parking that is a thing that
people to get there. Some peoplewill will like totally like just not like
do anything because it's like, well, how how how do I park when
(50:07):
I get there or whatever, andit's like, oh, it's like a
oh big deal. I'm an eventthe other night and it was thirty dollars
for parking and by the time youget a tip and everything, Yeah,
because you don't want to leave theperson out. Is like, you know,
are these people being paid? Arethey living only on tips? Right?
(50:29):
You're not gonna you know? Itwas crazy, right. Yeah.
Having had private practice offices in Essentialneighborhood in San Francisco for seventeen eighteen years,
whenever I get a new client,I'd be sending this email like with
all of the like here are thelittle side streets where you're more likely to
(50:49):
find parking. These are the areasthat have parking restrictions on these days,
those hours. Yeah, it wasYeah, I don't like any of that
stuff, right nik. I lovenot having to deal with that now,
Yes, I know, I know. Yeah, mm hmm. I'm not
(51:10):
had to deal with that too much. But so what is your your website?
Matthew? Oh, it's Matthewangle dotcom. N A T T H
E W E N G E Ldot com. Actually, I'll put it
in there, you go. Iput it in the chat box for those
(51:31):
who are watching visually. I don'tknow if that showed up on the Facebook
stream. Yeah, awesome, howyou Jason? What is your my my
website? Jason D McKean j AS O N D. As in Dumbledore
the Wizard, well dragon lord todaybecause of the it's going we're going into
(51:55):
Chinese New Year, all right,and I am a dragon. I am
born in the Year of the Dragons, looking forward to a spectacular year.
But the last part McKean m cK Yeah, Yen dot com Jason D
McKean dot com. Did I getit right? Oh? Yeah, there
(52:16):
you go. Fantastic, Thank you, Matthew. Yeah, and I'm Kara
Insight dot com last but definitely notleast host. Yes, So, Jason,
are you doing any Japanese seminars thisweek? I did last week and
(52:36):
you know, technology, it's amazing. I have a translator who, you
know, does all of the thetranslating of hopefully you know, she's just
making me sound more intelligent better.You know, maybe maybe it's a totally
different course. She's just like heragenda, but uh, it's uh,
it's really wonderful to be able toteach in another land, right, and
(53:00):
it's very aquarium, Yes, veryaquarian. You are both so gifted,
energetic on so many levels, butyou both find these like random people to
totally get the tech out there tototally help with this facet of the business
of the other. You're both exceptionallyresourceful in having someone who will help with
(53:24):
this part, that part, theother part to get the you know,
the nuts and bolts out. Yeah, we gotta get the nuts welks together.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well,thank you for being on the show.
Guys. It's my pleasure connecting withboth of you. Yeah. Happy
Age of Aquarius everybody, yeah fariousyeah, and you're of the dragon.
(53:46):
Happy Chinese New Year, Yeah,new Moon, new Moon and rye that
that free love, the dawning ofthe age of Aquarius. It always makes
me think of the theme song fromthe musical Hair sing it. I won't
sing it because I don't want toscare away, But Jason, you've got
(54:09):
that beautiful and understanding sympathy. Enjoya bone, yeah yeah. Lots of
love everybody, and blessings you aswell. Take care
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