The Joy of Writing

Transformations with Tara

Tara Sutphen & Jason D McKean discuss the Joy of Writing, and their books "Soul Writers" and "Magic Channel Tarot Reading with the Tarot Wizard"

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Transformations with Tara. Thisis Tara Sepon and my guest and co
host today is Jason de McKean.He is the voice of over a million
home recordings throughout the world, andhe has all these books and then they
are just so great. He isthe own Tara Wizard. So if you

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want to learn Taro, you needto go to Jason. Really fun,
yes, and thank you, thankyou for that, Tara. Jason is
just so great to have time withyou. You know, we don't get
that much time together, so it'sreally nice. We get even zoom time.
So welcome to Transformations with Tara andJason too. And today we're going

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to be talking about the joy ofwriting. And we have been having a
lot of writing over the years.I mean, you know, I do
a lot of articles and stuff,but I finally pushed myself to get Soul
Writers done. And so Soul Writersis now on the bookshelves and Amazon.

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You can just order it, youknow, hey, Jason, right right?
So yeah, So and that's hardhardcover version. Yeah, you have
the hardcover version. Nice. It'sa thick book. It's a very thick

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book, and it's very funny becauseI took like a third of it out,
and I thought, oh, youknow, I just need to you
know, I don't know if thisgoes with the book as much. It's
kind of another book, and soI've started to write that book. But
I've just you know, I havethis book and it's like, oh my
gosh. You know, I didn'trealize it was going to be four hundred

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and nine pages. Yeah. Yeah, but with a lot of great photos
in it, you know, photosthat you know, they aren't like ones
that just everyone has seen already.Yeah, he's been part of you know,
the Sutton story, you know,over the last forty years or so.

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Well, yeah, I think it'sone of forty years now over like
something less yeah something, yes,so yeah, So there's a lot of
yeah, different different pictures and andand really it was it's because of to
bring together the three main people whoare doing automatic writing from the other side.

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They were all friends, and soI just show pictures of them together,
you know, and some of theirsome of their you know, lovely
pictures. So nice. Can Iask you a question about soul writers,
because you know, because I don'tthink we've really you know, talked since

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you've published it. Now since ithas come out. Yeah, and you
know it's like I work with alot of authors and all, and it's
like to write a book is it'slike a herculean feat. It is a
heroic feat to be able to conceiveof a book and write it. But

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how did this book come to you? Well, I'd always wanted well,
let's go even further back. Youknow, Jeff Stern and I were friends,
you know, over forty years ago, and he was you know,
he was a prolific author on themetaphysical you know, anything in the metaphysical

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studies was you know his name,he Edgar Casey is famous because of the
Sleeping Profit and Yoga Youth and Reincarnationwas a nineteen sixty five best seller nineteen
sixty five, so you know,he predated everybody on Eastern thought and in
bringing it back to you know,in Vogue and into America. And we

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and we love it, you know, we loved the relish the concepts of
that, you know, reincarnation andand and we theorized a lot about it.
You know, Jess was he wasvery much a scholar of it.
He was a newspaperman that came outof New York and and then was an

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editor for Newsweek. So he wasvery you know, well versed on life
and current events and advice and sohe I believe that I was, you
know, probably knew him from apast life, because there's some kind of
really deep seated destiny that came whenI met him. I met him very

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young, at twenty one years old, and I was you know, and
we became best friends, and sohe he you know, we didn't talk
about metaphysics all the time. Youknow, we were interested in each other's
families and all holidays we spent together. You know, I married my husband

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on his deck. You know,he introduced me to my husband, and
then you know, it's they areall on the other side now, and
so it's been interesting. I thought, well, you know, I'll just
add you know, Dick Seth intothe Mechs as well, because I was

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already doing a lot of automatic writingover the years with Jess Stern, and
so then Patrick came along. Youknow, he crossed over, which was
very sad for us. All youknow, we loved the Irish Seer.
He was so much fun for allof us, and she was a great
friend. And he married Jason andSue, and you know, I was

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just talking to another couple where hemarried them, and we were, you
know, we're just reminiscing about howwonderful Patrick was. And so it's been
nice to be able to for thelast few years, you know, you
know, just writing down all thesequestions and then having them answer them.
And that's been the thing is,you know, sending them up to answer

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them, and so we you know, it's just like on the automotmatic writing
that I used to do all thetime with a bendo, with all the
letter writers. You know, wehave a set plan, and since I
had the near death experiences, it'sreally easy for me to go to the
other side to say, okay,hey, let's have a meeting here,
we're going to write. So that'swhat we've done, and that's where all

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this all these questions. There's eightyseven questions, and so you know,
I know that there are more questionsand you guys can all write to me
about them so that we can actuallyyou know, they can ask answer more
because there you could do a volumetwo well that and then I have other
people who come into to me,other great prolific writers who want to write

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with me too. It's like they'renot yet done with even writing yet.
They want to write still, andit's like, oh, let's let's let's
write a book. You know.So it's been really fun actually with those
those three. Yeah, those three, those three Dick Stefan, right,

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it's like you have they asked us, Yeah, you knew them. I
think you start a band, youknow. Crosby stills with with how they
like, how how you like?Were they all willing subjects as far as

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like did you say, you know, hey, you want to like,
you know, answer some questions,or were they like saying, I want
to answer some questions. I wantto communicate. Yeah, well Jess has
always wanted me to do a lotof the communicating, and so you know,
it's just like, why what amI waiting for? But you know,

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we waited to this time because timeon the other side is very different
than our gravity time, so youknow, they don't have it. It's
it's not it's not that pressing.So well, and then you know,
to and with Jess it would havebeen great just you know Jess, and

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I am sure Jess would have youknow, been able to answer so many
things just on his own. Butit just made it kind of I felt
more fun at that point to bringin Patrick. And then Richard died,
and so Jess was always a willingsubject. Patrick, I asked him,
but you know, he wasn't awriter. You know. The other two

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are prolific writers from this in thisworld, our world, and so they
still have that skill. So themwriting, I don't have to clear their
mistakes. I never read a lotof their stuff as we were going along,
you know, it was later.I've never really had to edit any

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of them, except for Patrick.I had to, you know, I
tell those guys, you know,like help him get up to speed,
get get up to speed with thewriting. Yeah, with the tone of
it. And so he did.He did. By the end of the
book, he was really he canreally tell a story much more coherently,

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you know, as far as thepunctuation and their sentence structure and that sort
of thing, and and following thethought, you know, because you have
to have a sometimes starting, amiddle, and an end for the thought.
And I'm not conscious through it.I'm you know, usually letting them
do their own thing. So you'rejust that open conduit, just letting the

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information just flow through you. Yes, yeah. I mean, what's what's
fascinating, you know about the bookis that, you know, because I
knew all of these these people,these three writers intimately as well, that
it's like their their voice comes throughstrong, you know, and it's a

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it's a that the quality of informationthat comes through is also you know,
very very unique, right well.I mean and Sheila, you know,
Sheila set Finche she said the otherday, my god, it's it's Tick's
voice. Oh my god, Ohmy god. I mean, you know,

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this is him, And it wasjust like and she knew him well
because she was married in the familyfor many many years, you know,
so it's like, yeah, justlet them right and they're still the same.
But he but with him, youknow, we tell it in the
book because he and I were noton the best of terms when when you
know, we started writing, andso they wanted him and it was just

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like, oh god, we haveto have them. But you know,
and now that the book is done, he added so much to the book.
But you know, and you know, our marriage was really fantastic when
it was happening, you know,I mean would never put down the marriage
part of it, but the aftermathwas not so great and you know,

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so it's been it's it's it's beena process to work with him, and
he's been very happy about it.I mean, you know, because he
lived to work anyway, so hejust yeah, you know, let me
in, let me do it,let me help. You know. It
gave him like a lot of purposeon the other side, and maybe it
was always destined. I don't know, but I think it was a choice

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for him to add him so soyou know, he had a lot too.
They all, yeah, it wasa it was a good process.
There's a joke with family friends,you know, where we're all on vacation
and we're having fun in the pooland Richard is sitting in the lounge chair

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reading the Wall Street Journal, youknow, I mean he's he's always yeah,
always working. Yeah, oh yeah, he used to be. Yeah,
it's been really a joke for me. It was just like, hey,
have some fun or else. Yeah. Yeah, So what are what

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are some of the themes that thatyou and you wrote most of the questions
to ask them or did they offersome questions too? Uh No, with
me more racking my brain of whatwhat would we all like to know?
You know, what what would welike to know, you know, like
I can read you some of thequestions already, questions in the front.

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Yeah, you know where it gotto be. The questions, Uh,
do you see us clearly on Earth? How do you feel not living on
Earth? The light and dark sideof human nature? The quest what is

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the search regarding? So that firstquestion is fascinating right, because it's like,
yes, we want our loved onesto be like con act and all
that, but do we want themlike to like watching us in our private
moments too? You know? Sowhat's the answer or do we have to

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buy the book to find out?What's that? Which? For which one?
For you know, do they seeus clearly? Okay, well let's
read that one. Do they seeus clearly? Do you see us clearly
on Earth? Yes, we areon the same vibrational atmosphere. Still as

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the radio stal I have switched toanother station, I can sense you more
as there is an anti gravity factorthat is lifted. My memory is keen
and intact from when I was bornas ges Stern. Even though I no
longer sleep, eat and live withthe earth life, I relatively think and
aspire to the just stern human condition, emotion and intellect. It doesn't go

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away. It becomes an added featureto my long lineage of knowledge and experiences.
So what happens in my radio signals, Oh, get clearer than anyone
I know. Let's see. Sowhat happens is my radio signals get much
clearer than anyone I know. Ican tap into them. I can tell
what is happening in their life,and if I feel it necessary to try

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to interfere, I make an effort. But it's very hard for the living
and dead to speak. We musttake into consideration the rate and speed of
energy and not mix it with humanstoo much, as we might become confused.
Tara, you are not perplexed hereas you allow your energy to become
dormant while visiting us, your memoryand most of what you know is quick,

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quescent and at rest. We area different exosphere. So so if
I, if I understand that,it's like if you're dialed in to each
other's frequencies, then there's that moreclear connection. If you're if you're off,

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then it's like you know, youdon't see them, they don't see
you kind of thing. Right.Well, yeah, because we're on different
wavelengths, we are in different energywavelengths, so then he goes on.
Sometimes souls choose Earth to give themself a rest, but mostly to experience

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love, power and believe it ornot, the seasons with Earth lanes,
I can only talk to people I'mconnected to or have a channeling gift.
When I speak to humans. BesidesTera, I try and relay my plans
and what I know is happening fora person, I can see their life
more clearly, but I can't alwaysget the information clearly to the person I'm

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talking to. And I always wantto tell something that could save pain and
suffering. There's many instances where wesee how the effect will be. I'm
very careful about how I relate information. I'm not a guardian. All humans
have assigned guardians. It is theirjob to let you know the news if
you must know. Almost no onegets to see or hear their guardians except

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the birth and death process. Theguardians work overtime, giving you advice and
dreams, and holding your hand whenyou are scared or hurt emotionally or physically.
So then he wrote, Tara andJess are being guided Tara and I.
She was twenty one when I mether. I was sixty four.

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Was this an accident? Important meaningsare never by accident. She was ushered
to acknowledge me by a benda.Did she know she was being guided?
I highly doubt it. Logically,what old man becomes friends with a very
young woman. Tara became proficient inthe psychic arts, and we are now

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here at this juncture. We werealways meant to experiment with this work.
She with a pen, me withmy curiosity, guided to you the reader.
And then and then I interjected.I decide to ask Dick and Patrick
the same questions. They don't wantto go to the Byzantine House. They

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want to go to a recreation ofmy Malibu home. I say, okay,
as I had a teen class inthe dining room every Tuesday evening for
ten years as I taught psychic insightand divination instruction. I tell them only
this once, as we are towork at the Byzantine House from now on,
and the Byzantine House is Jess's houseand he has it's a big gallery

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anyway, so maybe they read aboutit. As we start to write the
answers to some of the questions,I ask Abnda if we should have Dick
helping us yet out yet, andhe hasn't gone through the sanctorium process where
he will become sprised and one ofthem on the other side of the veil,
even though he's been dead six monthsand has followed my team the whole

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time. Dick starts to make suggestionsto use his earthly books, and I
speak and ask Abnda if we cankick him off the project already he's trying
to take over. Mister Ayres neverknew when to take a back seat.
Dick looks at me and apologizes aBenda's relishing that I'm argumentative with Dick instead

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of her. She says in ano nonsense tone, we're keeping him,
and she did. She said itreally like we're keeping it. Yeah,
and he's truly sorry for all whathappened. I don't say anything and go
back concentrating on Jess ideas for thisbook and our meeting. That night,

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on my iPhone as a notification,and it's from Trisha Woolster and she lives
in New York and she says,Hey, Tara, I'm dreaming and seeing
my deceased twin brother who died afew weeks ago, but no verbal messages
from him yet. But I gotone from Dick Sethan very clearly. He

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has regret and remorse. Hello andHeaven from Dick. Can you tell Tara
I need to apologize for losing myway? The love I have for Tera
is very deep and real. Mybest years were spent when we were together.
So it was from that fight onthe other side that he felt he

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needed to have someone else come toapologize to me on the Earth, which
you know, it just is suchsweet validation. Really, and so Patrick,
I see everyone pretty clearly. Itake time to study their vibration pattern
and I match it, like Tarataught us to vibrate at the Earth's frequency.

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So I did listen Toara, andit helps me on this side to
see all of you. And that'swhy I can create movement and what all
you would call poltergeist experiences. I'vebeen trying experiments where people need to be
led to help. If they haveself destructive habits. Sometimes I can move
them toward treatment. They don't knowwhy they chose it. I cross the

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borderlands often to head to Earth.I like it where I land in the
new realm, this place being myhome. On the other side, I
tend to look for the border crossershere and ask what tools they use to
communicate or work on Earth. Soand then there's Richard too, Dick,
and then you know Benda. Shealways offers all her stuff. So that's

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probably enough of me reading. Butanyway, so you know, I mean,
people loved this book and some peoplehave really cried over this book,
so, which is very sweet too. They just really like all the contents
of it, but they basically putit from their perspectives of how how they're

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experiencing things. Yeah. So soJess, Patrick and Deck are all like,
you know, they are at differentlevels and that you know, I
mean Jess has been gone for twentysome odd years, yeah, and you
know Patrick a little bit less thanthat, but you know, Dick has

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been gone for three years now,and yeah, so so I can I
can see where you know, theirexperience of it would be, you know,
from from their their point of view, and and you know how how
they put it into words too,you know, as far as since they're

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like Jess and Dick are practiced writers, disciplined writers. But it's still,
I mean, it's fascinating. It'sa really really fascinating, you know book,
and it's it's well rounded in thatbecause they do come from having these
different layers of experience. Well it'snot only in the layers of experience,

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you know, it's a really withthe influence. You know, I realized
that, you know, no one'sever done anything like this that, you
know. I mean, three peoplewho they knew well in life. You
know, I knew them well twentyand thirty years, all of them.
So you know, it's a veryvery you know and close close friends and

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close husband close, and so yeah, it's it's interesting. It is interesting
to see their perspective things on thatother side. And we've been so curious,
like why not ask the questions?You know, I'm the automatic,
right, you know, this wasmy is my fifth book of automatic writing.

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I mean, it's not like Ihaven't done automatic writing for you know,
since I was really young. Yeah, I loved it, loved it.
Yeah yeah, asking everybody else questions. But my spirit guide's always been
pretty good as far as being aconduit too, m hm, right,
helping to kind of keep things focusedand make sure that you know you're in

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this in this space where I mean, it sounds like you're able to create
a protected space a comfortable space,you know, so that when you know
you're you're in these these meetings,you know that you're able to get as
much information as as you can.Right Well, And I thought it was

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real interesting that you know, likethey wanted to come to the to the
table. You know, they're inthe Malbu table because you know, I
had the team class for ten yearsand that's where we sat is at the
table. But they bring you know, we'd have all those chairs and have
the the back bay window. Youknow, I'd have thirteen fourteen teenagers in

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there, you know, every week, and so it was it was it
was fun, you know, Ijust yeah, I look back at some
of that. They were fantastic.Yeah. Well one other one of the
questions about the process too, diddid they ever show up like together or
were they separate? Like when youwere talking with them and getting information?

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Uh, did they come in togetheror separate? Yeah? Oh no.
We we would always sit together,all five of us, all five of
us together, this beautiful table.It was beautiful and wood table and it's
it's not round, it's kind ofoblong, and uh there's a big tapestry

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behind it. I have looked andlooked because there's many different tapestries like it
that are in the world, butJess has it. It's a tapestry of
these hounds and and and they looklike, uh, you know, beautiful

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bird dogs. Yeah, some kindof ancient bird dogs. And so they're
they're there in the photo and orthat photo. The photo the in my
mind in that realm, and it'sall wood. It's all wood paneling and

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big doors on that and they saythat buys them. High House is in
the time of Constantocle. I guessI have known. I don't know,
I have to that sounds that soundsabout right. I mean Constantinople was like

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I forget the years, but butit was it was definitely uh you know
with the mosaics and you know,well all of the you know, in
when I was in Istanbul there atIsophia and all which is mhm reading it's

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like it's switched from like cathedral tomosque to cathedral to mosque, you know,
just over the centuries and right,incredible incredible work inside and also the
energy too. It's it's like thatthat particular place was was somewhere where I
felt like like time had just kindof like melted away, and I was

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like, it could could have beenany time that I was saying, you
know, it just happened to bein the twenty twenty first century. That's
just the house. Yeah, soit's a beautiful it's a beautiful house.
So we go there and and goto that table and write. Yeah.

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Wow, did you enjoy enjoy writingit? I mean, you know,
talking about the joy of writing.Did you enjoy writing it? Ah?
Yeah, it was great. Youknow, the bottom line is finding time
for anything, you know, andit was just having that quite enough space

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to go into automatic writing and yeah, just going for it. I find
my process of writing is one of, you know, having these these spurts
of discipline where it's like, Okay, I've got time, and then you
just kind of sit down and thenyou just kind of get into the groove
of it and then you get abunch done. But it's not until the

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very end that that last part whereeverything's got to like start like taking shape
and coming together. That's when itstarts to get intense, and that that's
where there's a real drive to justlike muscle through it and get it,
get it. Yeah, I meanI've noticed some mistakes in it. Like
like I, you know, Iput in like a program to to fix

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kind of some of the grammar andstuff and some of the punctuation, and
they would, you know, theywould change they put s's here, and
you know, they'd kind of messup the whole sentence. I had,
Oh my god, I have tochange everything. No, yeah, I
mean you know it got to bethings like that. But it was fine,

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you know, yeah, and makesure it didn't you know, because
I'm sure there's still stuff in therethat the guys would say kind of like
more on a some kind of slanglike I think like Patrick said something about
many a splendor thing. You know, it's that's this, that's the same,
but you know, like it wouldchange to things, and was like,

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okay, I got to go into change that. Yeah. So
so it's done some of that,but I didn't get to all of it.
But you know, people, it'sit's pretty Yeah. My agent when
I first did it, said mygod, this is the cleanest script I've
ever read from. And it's like, well, you know, we were

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writers. Yeah, everybody's a writer, even then they're writers. It's going
to be clean. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't maybe work too hard that
way. So it is available inuh on paperback and hardback right and kindle
to mm hmm Amazon, Amazon,Oh gosh, where is it? You

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know? Yeah, it's going tobe It's going to be in the Meloby
Shawman next week and yeah, Imean whenever I take him over there,
and then there I'm in the EastWest Bookstore. It will be in Sedona.

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It's which which is yeah, sopardon which is East West East West
Bookstore a Mountain View in Mountain Viewover there up northern northern California there and
then yeah, not only am Ithere, but the unicow is too,

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yeah, by Everest, Suton Everest. Yeah, we've become a whole book
you know, with all those writers, so even even down to our seven
year old now seven year old.Yeah, so Jason has lots of books.
Show us your books, Jase.So, so I have two Tarot

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books. Yeah, you know,I have some journals and stuff like that,
but I've got the the Magic ChannelTarot reading with the Tarot Wizard,
which is a spiritual overview of readingTouro. And then if you want to
get into the weeds, if youwant to like start to like look at
every single card, then there's Tarotcircles and cycles right, and and both

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of these are available at Amazon,you know, I mean that that's the
best place to get them online.And I think that when you have something
to say, when you know,you get to a place in your life
where it's like, you know whatwhat I know? This is like something

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I can share and and and thenyou have to start like shaping it,
you know, creating that that formulawith it so that you're communicating it in
a in a way that people areunderstanding that they're they're not just like going
what what what are they trying toget at? You know, it's just
like you just like create the structureof it. And and that's that's what

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that's what I've done with the Terreauin a way that it doesn't also just
kind of lock it in. It'slike, well it always has to be
like this, and you know,this is the only way there's there's lots
of different ways to read it.But you know, I think that the
book that I've written, the twobooks, that they they open up the

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horizon there for for people so thatthey don't get to too locked in,
you know, to how it doesit there they're reading it and it comes
from a reader, you know,someone who has read for the last ten
years in you know, every likeimaginable type of environment in situations from you

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know, wild parties to you know, being in the psychic salt mines.
There of the stores where it's like, you know, one reading after the
next, you know, after theother after the other. M who knows.
I think that's my my term forit too, is the psychic salt

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mines. That psychic salt mines.I don't know, I you know,
I I've enjoyed it. I enjoyit so much. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's like, you know thosethose places where it's just again, it's
like, okay, you've got areading now, you know, fifteen minutes.
Okay, you've got another fifteen minuteread. Okay, you've got another

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one. You know, it's justlike, oh, you know, you
just feel like you're you're there inthe solve minds all day. Yeah.
My loved Mystic Journey when it waslike that. It was like it was
I mean talking to people all overthe world. It was really fun.
The stores are like all sorts ofquestions you know, imaginable to the you

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know, the ones that are verykind of broad that give you a lot
of freedom to just kind of youknow, go in and then the very
specific. It's like, you know, what is going to happen on this
day if I do this and thatthat that you know, it's like it's
like a really wide range and itjust like it prepares you for reading and

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uh, you know, just goinginto these places of trusting what it is
that you're getting right the information.I agree, I agree, because that's
what you learn. You learn reallyfast how accurate you are to trust your
gut to just say it, ohman and just blurt it. You know.
I've been doing that lately. Mysister. Yea, our sister your

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system after me? Yeah, oursister. Yeah, don't think is there
is there any gossip? Go it'sjust us and everyone else everyone. No,
No, it's just her. WhenI'm accurate, you know, on
the psychic stuff, I have alot of blurting. I do. Well.

(36:30):
It's sometimes that that it is justthe process of of where you know,
it's it's that that information that isn'tjust it's just well thought out,
and where you start just winging everythingin your head about it. It's like,
what is it that that is likeyou know, what what the truth
of it is. You know sometimesthat it feels like a truth bomb sometimes

(36:54):
if it's not the the happiest ofinformation, right, you know, it's
like you know, lay waste tothe environment there. But you know,
sometimes you're you just gotta I meanthat that's the that's the hard part of
it is it's just where you're alwaystruthful and it's all in my book.

(37:23):
Yeah. Uh again. I Ithink that that this book here, which
uh you know it is the firstbook. I think it just kind of
laid the the foundation for why anyonewould want to to read to row and
and some things to really you know, ponder good good you know, like

(37:46):
uh subjects good themes like you know, fate or free will. You know,
if if you're think that everything islocked in and you know there's there's
no air of choice within someone,you know, it's like that that will
it will mean you know a lotof well this is going to happen in

(38:10):
this and this and this and thisthat's just going to you know, get
locked in or you know it's likewell, you know, if you're if
you want to change that, youknow, it's like this is your moment
to do that, you know,at this this time. You know.
So it's like there's there's some reallypowerful themes too. Two. You know,

(38:35):
meditate on to to be very consciousof you know, as a reader,
it's right, very conscious, veryconscious. I always try to be
very conscious because you know, Irealized that people would hold on to what
I said, like twenty years later, it was like, oh yeah,

(38:59):
they always remember. So I can'tsay, you know, just anything weird.
You have to be conscious of whatyou say. And that's why I've
tried to teach everyone that. Youknow, it takes any sort of schooling
for me. You know, it'sit's really about healing people. It's not
about hurting anyone. So heal everybody. That's the that's the number one rule.

(39:27):
You're you're healing, you're empowering,you're you know, like in some
cases, helping people reconnect to theirtheir path. Yes, you know,
if they feel lost. M yeah, you know, it's human nature.

(39:50):
Yeah. Yeah. So with withthe idea of writing, you said that,
you know, people are uh,you know, suggesting things and all
that. Do you look at that, look at what people send in,
and do you say, oh,yeah, yeah, I'm gonna jump on
that or is it like I'm gonnasit here and I'm gonna percolate a little

(40:12):
bit. I'm gonna like you andjust take it in, but I'm gonna
just let it, let it percolatewithin, and I'll start, you know,
another project, or yeah, wellI've started another couple of projects,
you know, because yeah it's fun. So I'm done. I've started a

(40:34):
couple of projects, and so isEverest. Everest has already started on a
couple of projects. We had ameeting, you know, and it's very
interesting. I find it fascinating becauseyou know, I, you know,
like Jason and I do these podcastsand there they flow, but you know,
you don't flow with everybody you're workingwith. And you know, when
you know, it's just you're onthe right track and you're just going forward.

(40:58):
So easy. Nice. Anyway,Everest, Everest, you know,
is only seven and she and soI uh talked to her a couple of
days ago and she was telling methat she suggested to me that she would
like to do another book. Andit's like okay, and so we started

(41:21):
to talk about it and it's likehaving a meeting with an adult. It'd
be like having a meeting with Jason. You know, she's how she's conceptualizing
and she knows, you know,nothing can be copyrighted, and she's telling
me that, you know, andit's like, yes, yeah, I
understand, Yeah, we can't useanybody else's stuff, so it has to
be your original story. And soI mean, you know, and it's

(41:44):
like, well, yeah, whydon't you tell me kind of what where
you want to go with this?And you know, then you know,
I can write it down for you. And so we're going back and forth,
and so she is just I mean, it's incredible. It's incredible you
find the people in your life,and I mean she just happened to be
related to me, but it's justthat she the flow of it is incredible.

(42:08):
Yeah, just incredible, so importantto us a as a kid,
you to experience accomplishment too. Ohyeah, well she really What how this
came about is because she's been youknow, in my iPhone, I just

(42:32):
put on the voice memo and wetell stories. But she began telling me
a lot of stories, and soI just let her tell me stories.
So she's quite the storyteller. Andit comes from her experience, you know,
talking to her dad when she waslittle, you know, two years
old up. You know, you'dbe reading to her on sky, FaceTime,

(42:53):
Messenger, you know, any anywhere. She she's you know, like
hours talking to us, talking tohim on the phone. So she loves
to, you know, converse aboutthings. She's an air sign anyway,
and loves to you know, haveideas and talk. So yeah, and

(43:15):
play play for hours. Yeah,that's a perfect expression then as far as
like, you know, taking itfrom just talking about it, committing it
to paper and sharing it. Yeah, So she's she's in, she's in,
she's all in and yeah, it'sgreat. Is that what I'm getting

(43:39):
for Christmas from her? The shareis a copy of her book, a
couple of books. Yeah, yeah, we don't know yet. Yeah,
probably from her. Yeah that's great. That or a cake, cake or
cookies. She loves to make cakes. Yeah, give him as gifts.
She's real. It's just a rengarnadebaker as well. One thing I like

(44:06):
to tell authors too, you know, and people who have a story or
you know, part of their ownexperience that they're wanting to share is that
through the technology of the day,it's like it's not so so difficult,
you know, to to bring yourwords to the public. And you know,

(44:30):
if one is feeling the crunch oftime, Like I have a client
who's in his mid nineties and andit is an incredible writer and you know,
had never published a book before,and and it's like we brought it
to the floor in like a coupleof months, you know, and it

(44:52):
wasn't like they had to like shopfor agents and you know, like go
through this this whole process of acceptanceand then going through an editor to change
a bunch of stuff. You know, it's like it makes it something that
is, you know, a fairlyimmediate form of you know, taking what's

(45:15):
what's important to you and and sharingit with others. And you know,
I think that, I mean,I love physical books. I think you're
you're the same as far as Ithink that, you know, just like
the words on a screen are alittle less impactful. Yeah, well,

(45:37):
Scott that they're impactful. I like. What I find is there's so many
interruptions when you're on the screen.You know, you swipe your hand this
or that, or you know itgoes away or you know, I just
and I like, I do Ilike the whole physical thing about a book

(45:57):
it just is so much easier forme. Then then, even though I
read a lot on since I havereally great eyesight, I can just read
and read and read on my phoneor you know, the internet or whatever.
But yeah, I've yeah, becauseI still have twenty twenty ey sight.

(46:20):
Fantastic. I meditates. It's calledmeditation. Everybody it meditates. Meditate
and do more. Meditate. Ithink I think I have like four hundred
twenty vision meditated. Yeah, meditated. Intention It has to be intentionally,

(46:44):
you're actually working on your eyes.Yeah, I mean I need to work
a few things, you know.I'm like think, you know, I
need to make make you know,make those tapes where tapes back on tapes,
tapes? How long I've done it? Tapes that Yeah, I look.

(47:07):
I saw a thing one of thekids sent me yesterday is where,
uh, you know, all theclicking of how all the sounds from like
the your childhood or the eighties orwhatever. It was was so great.
I loved it putting in the cassetteyou know, the vhs. Yeah,

(47:29):
all of it. It was hilarious. Well it was like making all the
clicking sounds, but yeah, allof it, all of it. You
forget Oh yeah, that was likea big you know, we all had
that click in our life. Thephones, the rotary phones. Yeah,

(47:51):
I don't remember the rotary phones asmuch. I mean they I loved the
sound of it when it when whenyou'd like and then yeah, I loved
it. Yeah, I loved it. H m hm. Not that I
fun that much as a chat.I think that just just keeping track of

(48:15):
like you know, like this,those longer numbers. I mean that's like
the when you had like the eightsand nines, because I guess I do
remember them in the seventies. It'slike it would just take a much longer
like process of like you know,like dialing those rather than like one one
one, it was like nine,you know, right why, Yeah,

(48:37):
yeah, there was a process.I mean it wasn't fast. It wasn't
like it is now fast. Youhad to have patience. There's no speed
dial on those rotary phones. Veryyeah, it was very then. You
had to have some patience. Wellmaybe that's why I have patients, yes,
because of all those things. Isuh, there is something to he

(49:00):
said, you know, for knowinghow how things took time back in the
day. I mean, it justit just is It's an influence for sure,
and especially with writing too. It'slike a lot of the books that
I did, you know, I'veprobably created probably about fifty books, you

(49:22):
know, for other authors myself.You know, it's it's uh, in
the first half of that was alllike it would take months to create a
book. It would take months.Yeah, there was a lot of later
years. I mean, you sawRichard was dead six months before before I

(49:45):
let him. Like, that's noteven the writing of it, that's not
even it was just the production ofit took took months. Oh yeah,
it takes months, yeah, ofputting together a book that was already written,
Yeah, put it together. Yeah. So it's readable and has a

(50:07):
style. Yeah, And so Iunderstand the the finding the title, you
know, because my other book issol Agreements, one of my books,
sol Agreements and now Soul Writers.Yeah, but but it had it didn't
really have anything to do with SoulAgreements. That had Soul Writers were,

(50:30):
you know that they were on theother side, totally different concept, different
you know, like a again areally strong, really strong book. I
mean, you know, it's somethingto be very proud of, thank you.
And you know, it's like availableon Amazon yeah, yeah, look
it up Tera Sutfin Soul Writers.That's right. Oh, I have my

(50:57):
copy too. Yes, it's likecrossing over the moon there. Yeah,
it's my favorite. Other topics then, so what else is cooking? Any
any anything else? Well? Ihave a lot of seminars and stuff and
you know, book signings that peoplereally want me to come all over the

(51:19):
place to book signings. And youknow, I've been a bit of a
homebody. So this summer I've gotclasses coming up. I do a monthly
class at Catman Do Boutique in SantaMonica, a monthly class at Healing Oaks
Crystals in Seami Valley, and andthose are both coming up this week.

(51:44):
You can go to to my myFacebook to see it at Jason D McKean.
And now I'll be in Bakersfield onuh. I forget what day it
is. It's Saturday. I guessthat's the sixteenth, and I'll be I'll
be there. Is it the sixteenthor seventeenth? I don't know. You

(52:08):
need you need for what is itaday? It's it's the Saturday. Yeah,
it's like an all day like readingfor doing private in September. Yeah,
seventeenth, six sixteenth is Saturday,and seventeen is Sunday. Okay,
so it's the sixteenth, one,sixth and and these classes that I'm doing,

(52:32):
I'm getting, you know, youknow, for the ones that are
live in some of these these storeslike Enchanted Cottage, Heeling of Crystals,
and even the Bodie studios they're inAnaheim coming up in October. It's like

(52:52):
just just really you know, goingdeeper into you know, what it is
that that one is is reading inthe cards and getting past like like just
seeing the singular in the cards andseeing how it all blends, how how
the energy blends and flows. Andwhen we see movement in the cards,

(53:15):
that that's where we can see wheresomeone is going. That's where we can
get into that predictive aspect, intothe divinatory aspects of the throw and and
let you know, the it canbecome those those fortune tellers that that that
we are naturally mh. You know, let it come to the fore,

(53:36):
yes, yeah, let it cometo the poor. Well, thank you,
Jason, thank thank you, thankyou for sharing your book today.
If I'm reading from it, SoulWriters, yeah, yeah, so wonderful,

(53:57):
more wonderful and fun things. Yeah. Well thank you, and uh,
you know, I hope that theyhave a blessed week. Yes,
yes, thank you. Yeah.So anyway, so thank you for joining

(54:17):
us. And and you heard thatthere's lots of upcoming. He's at these
different wonderful stores and so he'll bedoing classes and you can teach at anytime.
So you can call Jason for asession or me for a session too.

(54:37):
Where can they reach you, Tarainside dot com? How do you
spell insight? T A R AI N s I g h T dot
com? How about you play well? Come come to Facebook here Jason D
McKean. You can see it inthe in the screen there if if you're

(55:00):
just listening, then j A SO N D as in Dumbledore, right
mcke and m c k E AN great. Okay, thank you.
Lots of blessings everybody. Lots oflove. Thank you, Tarah, Lots
of love to you.