0610 | A Thousand Words - True Crime Bullsh**

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other things in New York stock showyou what they took from the property in
New York. All right, sothis was the this is the list.

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Some of that's pretty you know,the description of what is at it.
I'll show you the old property.Wow, on way back? What stuff?

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All this stuff anything from New York. You're going the way back.
When's the last time you were there? Oh? I was there just a
year or so ago. But livingthere, I haven't made you would stayed
there? You would buy the twentyeleven at the period of time? Oh
yeah yeah every time I back alreadygo by. But I mean all this
stuff that's there is it's like childhoodmemories. Did you live there for a

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period of time? Yeah, ohless than a year in ninety seven?
I think that, yeah, maybeseven. This is true crime bullshit.
I'm your host, Josh Hallmark,and this is a serialized story of Israel

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Keys. The investigation into Israel Keysis massive and endless, and even with
each new clue or piece of actualor potential evidence, it only feels bigger.

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Over the past year, we've foundnew information that we haven't been able
to make sense of or properly placein the puzzle that is Keys or that
has entirely upended some of our strongestbeliefs and foundations. It's been both humbling
and revitalizing. Let's start with Constable. Through the photos we've obtained, the

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research we've done, and interviews I'veconducted, it's become more and more clear
that Keys spent significantly more time andConstable than he let on, and that
has only left us with more questionsthan an answers. Why did Keys rent
out the Constable house to David?And why was seemingly heidy collecting the rent.

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Whose white van or s u Vwas parked behind that house in two
thousand one, and why and howlong was it there? Did it just
happen to be there when that aerialphotograph was taken or did it sit there
for weeks, months, years?Whose roller skates, ice skates and shoes

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are scattered all throughout that property andwhen did they arrive there? Who brought
multiple newspapers over a several year periodto that house? And why if it
was keys, particularly in a prenameous era, what was he looking for?
Keys told Kimberly he had a cashburied with guns and stuff on his

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Constable property. Was it ever located? And why was he really hiding those
guns and stuff? And what ofall the jewelry and undergarments found in the
woods and burn pits on the propertyand the bullet holes in the outhouse.
Keys admitted to using at least oneouthouse to rape someone and to scouting several

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others to at minimum commit rapes inand we believe Deborah Feldman is most likely
in an outhouse tank along the RaquetRiver. So was Keys using the outhouse
on his own property to torture orshoot someone? And the most mundane question
about Constable is also the one I'mmost troubled by. If David and his

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wife were able to move their stuffin and store their horse and cow in
the barn, when and how didit accumulate so much stuff after their departure.
And then there's that two thousand onephoto. We received it in the
midst of our newspaper investigation and research, and it frankly ended up in the

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research chat and quickly got sidelined,but we've since been able to spend more
time with it and look more closelyat it, and have found even more
details, details which incite big questionsand even bigger concerns. As of Wednesday,
June twenty sixth, I've shared thephoto with the TCB research team,

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Joshua and Dakota from Somewhere in thePines, and the Top Studio both and
Patreon tiers, and while a fewitems have been debated, there has been
complete or near complete agreement on thefollowing. A white jeep or suv,
a late eighties or early nineties Toyotaminivan, a tow trailer or tow trailer

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camper, an outbuilding not mentioned inany of the files nor currently on the
property, a significant amount of lumberor firewood, a canopy covering a mound
of dirt or a k with atarp over it, and what appears to
be either a convertible car or aboat. The photo is currently posted to

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the True Crime Bullshit instagram for thosewho want to take a look. We'll
be discussing it at length throughout thisepisode. Now, there's a lot to
unpack here, and let's start withhow we got the photo in the first
place, and what we've done withit since. Kim k found the photo
while searching vintageerial dot com, anonline collector and retailer that works with photographers

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and individuals to map out the UnitedStates across the ages. One company,
who I've since learned as one oftheir larger providers, did a series of
aerial photography of homes and mills inNorth Franklin County, New York, and
included in that is the photo thatKim found. According to the website,

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the photo was taken in two thousandand one, and it's wild to think
that an aerial photography company would buychants photograph a serial killer's backyard, then
sell that photograph to a public websitefor the whole world to peruse without either
the photographer nor the website knowing whatthey were looking at or that it could
one day be evidence. But herewe are. Life is strange. I

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contacted Vintage Aerial directly to ask ifthere was any way to pinpoint the exact
date that that photo was taken,and the short answer was no. But
the guy spoke with was able tonarrow down the timeframe quite a bit.
According to him, this particular photographertook his series in spring and autumn each

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year, and based on the foliagein the photo, it was very clearly
taken in spring two thousand and one, and that will be meaningful for a
few reasons. But hold that thought. After we received the photo, we
had friends of the show, KathleenStudor and Michael Bears digitally enhance it,
and in some areas it was extremelyhelpful, and in others it didn't provide

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much more clarity. But back tospring of two thousand and one, it's
a very interesting time in Keyes's life, a phrase I feel like I've said
a lot lately. Tammy had justgotten pregnant and very shortly after moved to
Nia Bay. As you'll recall,when she first told Keys, he was
very upset and they broke up aroundthat same time Keyes got the duy.

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Spring oh one also lines up withthe extended time we believe Keyes spent on
the East Coast using up any serviceleave prior to his army discharge, which
coincides with statements made by Heidi thatKeyes spent either six to eight months or
six to eight weeks with her andher family in Maine. Additionally, during

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this period, there are three namesforty five disappearances, Stephen Kraft Junior,
Bethany marquet Howski, and Shana Kirkpatrick. They all disappeared within a seven week
time frame, and at this pointwe have reason to believe that Keys was
not involved in any of these disappearances. Now, as we discussed in season

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five, episode twelve, in aFebruary twelfth, twenty thirteen interview, Heidi
Keys offhandedly told the FBI that followingKeys's return from Egypt, he stayed with
her in Maine for either six toeight months or six to eight weeks.
For a while, it was astatement that bothered us. For starters,
there was no other record or evidenceof it, and secondly, it just

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didn't track with what we knew abouthis military service. But when we started
digging into it, we found thatbased on the timeline, it would have
been impossible for Keyes to have livedin Maine for six to eight months,
but there were a few places wherethe timeline would allow for six to eight
weeks August through October of two thousandand February eighth through May twenty fifth of

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two thousand one, which is justshy of four months where we can't place
Keys anywhere and aligns almost exactly withHeidi's statement both the time and time frame.
But when we first reported on this, the big question was how would
that have worked for his army service, And as we detailed in that episode,

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long story short, Keyes would haveneeded to use any leave he had
before he was discharged, and hewould have accrued quite a bit, particularly
while he was abroad. And sosuddenly this crazy statement from Heidi not only
made sense but fit the timeline andthe narrative. And all this is to
say, if Keys did in factspend Spring of two thousand and one in

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New England, it would explain whythe house and the yard are in such
good and seemingly active condition in thisSpring of two thousand and one photo,
because Keys was very likely just inthe area for an extended amount of time,
or still was when the photo wastaken. Based on the close proximity
in time for the three name isforty five disappearances. It seems also very

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with the item that looks like eithera convertible sedan or a boat, since
it's the most disputed and the enhancedphotos didn't help much with it. Some
people saw a truck, some peoplesaw building supplies, some people saw a
boat, some people saw a convertiblesedan, and some people saw a travel

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trailer. To me, it looksexactly like a boat on a trailer,
but as a whole, it meansthat for now it's mostly moot, but
if it was a boat, theimplications would be wide and terrifying. Next,
let's look at the white jeep orsuv, which, for the sake

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of brevity, i'll refer to asthe suv. The suv is parked behind
the barn, so it would notbe visible from the road or really anywhere
outside the property. It's parked prettydeep in some pretty heavy shrubbery, indicating
that it was either parked with theintention to conceal it, or that it

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had been parked there for a significantperiod of time, or you know both.
And we know, based on theFBI records in the case files,
that Keys never owned, or atleast never registered, anything resembling a white
jeep, suv, or van.And while we are actively pulling records on

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cars owned by the Keys family,it doesn't likely belong to them, because
according to both Keys and Heidi,no one in the Keys family returned to
the Constable cabin after it was soldto Israel. But you know, grain
of salt. Obviously, the firstcase that comes to mind is Mora Murray's

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due to the suspicious white jeep inthe area on the night that she disappeared,
and the odd Chrysler part found inher car and the white marks on
her bumper. But while this caris at least jeep shaped, we can't
say for certain it is a jeepat all, let alone a jeep Grand
Cherokee. When you search NamUs forwhite jeeps, only four cases come up,

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all of which are from two thousandand six or later. And when
you do a search for just whitesuv there are no cases anywhere north of
Florida on or near the East coast. And this goes on. Just about
every possible version of white jeep orsuv that I plugged into NamUs brought forth
no new leads. But we can'tforget that Keys also carjacked people and then

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used those cars to commit crimes.And when we take a look at reported
sightings that include cars. There area few possible matches for the suv.
A woman reported to the FBI thatin or around the autumn of nineteen ninety
eight, a man resembling Keys flaggedher down along Route four ninety six in

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Franklin, Massachusetts and told her thather tailpipe was on fire when she got
out of her car. He triedto get her into his white van several
times. And while this car inquestion to me looks more like a jeep
or an suv, it's not outsidethe realm of possibility that it's a white
van. This sighting was at thesame time as the two Orino main collision

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rapist encounters we covered earlier this season. Old white Van comes up again in
the spring of two thousand and sixin Carthage, Missouri, where a woman
claims she met Keys at a hardwarestore where he was asking if there were
any local handyman jobs because he wasgoing to be in the area for a
while. And this is a littlebit interesting because we do have two names

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forty five disappearances out of Missouri.But the most interesting is almost a decade
after that two thousand and one photowas taken, and it's a sighting we've
covered many times, including briefly inthe last episode in Plattsburgh, New York,
just thirty five minutes from Constable,a woman believes that Israel Keys followed

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her from a convenience store to heroffice in the pre sunrise hours of either
April seventh or April twenty first.She described him as having slick back,
brown hair, a Roman nose,medium build, wearing car hearts, and
standing at about five foot ten.She said that he was driving an older

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Jeep that was rusty and either tanor white and very dirty. And while
the suv and convertible or maybe boathave yet to yield any strong leads,
the Toyota minivan in the photo hastaken us back to an entirely different arm
of our investigation data mining. Thedigital enhancement was most effective with the van.

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It made it way more clear tosee, including what appears to be
severe damage in its front end.The van is a very specific style of
minivan. Based on its shape,it is almost certainly and exclusively a Toyota
Previa or possibly a Toyota town Ase, but since the town Ace was made
and distributed exclusively in Japan, seemsmore likely to be a previa. And

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that's where things got weird, becausewhile we were searching the internet trying to
sort out exactly what type of vanthis was, Jordan quietly remembered something from
our twenty twenty two data mining.One of those data mining projects was to
go through various articles and blog postson missing persons cases and look for comments

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that mirrored Keys's comments on Samantha Koenig'sarticles, and one such comment rang multiple
alarm bells for us on an AnchorageKTVA article titled new Reward and Koenigg Disappearance
Case, Israel commented on March fifthof twenty twelve at two forty five am,
I really don't know what to say. This is beyond ridiculous, and

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that's what happens. Why you havethe public doing all work in making this
more stupid or worse as they alreadyare. Besides, who in the right
mind would come forth like this ifhe was responsible and handle the bs that
comes with owning a disgusting place likea strip club. That's one of three

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comments on the Koenik case that wefactually know Keys made. But at eleven
forty one that same morning, anothercommenter posted the following on the same article.
Some people are so quick to judge. Seriously, this guy is trying
to help. It seems he hasgood intentions. I don't like strip clubs
myself and think they are trashy.But to each their own. I guess

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he could just sell the business andadd to the reward amount in that manner
too, But again, he's tryingto help. Respect people respect. Let's
start with the phrase to each theirown, which is obviously a common phrase,
but in Keys's lexicon it seems quiteabundant. He says it multiple times
in the interviews, and he saysit in his discuss comments twice, so

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that stood out. But more thanthe phrase was the commenter's user name ak
TX, the state Keys lived in, and the state he was preparing to
move too and would be traveling tothe following day. So we started running
that username through some of our varioustools and came up with two very similar
email matches, meaning the username wasassociated with both email addresses which were similar.

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We then ran those email addresses througha data breach search engine and found
that they were only associated with oneIP address, the Anchorage Public Library.
To be more specific, the closestAnchorage Public library to Keys's house. Computers.

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You mentioned when computers first cannot youstart doing searches and looked just wanted
to see what was up with themilitary guys, when you would You've talked
before with us about there were acouple times that you would go on your
computer and do a search just tosee if a body had been found or
I don't know, arsenal bank,rubber or whatever it is. When you
were doing it, how would youhow would you do that? I mean,

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did you know names of everybody?Or would you do this no search
a town or how would you doit? I was with the the exception
of the computer that you guys got, I generally wouldn't do it on the

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home computers. I had another computerthat I did use for a while,
but for the most part it wasa computer that I was planning on having
around for a while. I wouldnever do researches on it. Search as
I did do were usually pretty generic. I would type in an area or
a newspaper of an area, andtype in a keyword. I would never

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type in a specific name the nameof the newspaper from the area, like
if I would use right so yeah, I would do a search of news
from an area I guess, andthen pull up either a newspaper channel online
news, type in a keyword ofsomething, and just scroll down the different

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stories. So I found them oneI was looking for. If I was
doing it from an anonymous computer likean airport or a library or something that
I would do, I would justtype in what I wanted right away,
bring it up. Did you knowthe names or did you remember the names
of most of the people? Yeah, well yeah on the major things.

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Yeah, okay. So we hadcommenting activity on the same article on the
same day as Keys. Language thatmirrored Keys is both in and out of
the article comments, a username thatwas reflective of Keys, and an IP
address leading to Keys's local library.But we were also able to find this

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person's email password in the data reachsearch and that didn't seem to have any
connection to Keys, and with thatwe were at a dead end until today
because that password matches the make andmodel of the van pictured at Keys's constable
cabin. So if this is Keys, and to me, it's way too

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many coincidences for it not to be, But it's also not definitive in any
way. What is the significance ofthat Toyota Previa from over a decade before.
In twenty twelve, last in lawenforcement came face to face with one

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of this country's most prolific serial killers. His name is Israel Keys. Investigators
say Israel Keys had a so calledmurder kit. Keys strategically hit a box
filled with weapons and tools near theWinduski River. There is an orange home
deco bucket. Inside would be agun, weapons of the ship tize.
He always flew somewhere, rented thecar and then drove hundreds, if not

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one thousand miles. He told investigators. He left the kids in Washington State,
Wyoming, and Texas and Land.The high one in Arizona was in
a whole bunch of states. Imean Alaska, Vermont, Washington, Oregon,
New York, New Jersey, California, Texas, Illinois, Tennessee.
Had a cash in Washington because avery month, all right, that was

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a kid. I was used todream that I'd find buried trader, and
very well, if they can't findit, I might as well create it.
Somewhere in the Pines is a serialpodcast dedicated to locating the hidden caches
of American serial killer Israel Keys.Season one premiere Spring twenty twenty four.
Join the search at Somewhere in thePines dot com. On a late night

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this June, I sat in myoffice and pressed start meeting on what would
be a game changing moment and thefirst of many in our KEYS investigation.
Eight faces and about thirty years ofKEYS research began to populate the video squares,

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and for the first time ever,the True Crime Bullshit Research team and
the Somewhere in the Pines team wereall face to face discussing things we've mostly
never discussed with the public. Allof our findings, contributing experts, theories,
new and old leads, and amassive collaborative success. Hi everyone,

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So it's like we have as muchto talk about as we want or as
little. I figured this we coulddo something a little informal, but I'm
sure Dakota and Josh have a lotthey want to share, and they've had
lots of questions about hunters. SoI feel like, Jordan, you can
talk about hunters, but maybe whydon't we all just start by briefly introducing

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ourselves. It feels very like acorporate ye, but we discussed a lot
possible cashews, possible victims, disagreements. We discussed Jordan's findings in Hunters,
Washington. We do have the address, I do have property records, I

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have a map with the property bundson it, and I can get all
that information to you, guys.I just want to know why he was
there in the first place. Wereyou able to confirm a property that the
FBI had searched during their investigation,Jordan? They so, they had gone

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to two hunters. They were askingabout a property across the street from a
guy, and they mentioned when theyleft the interview, he was missing the
last two fingers on his right handwhen he shook his hand, he's wearing
a glove. I was able toconfirm through a traffic ticket on a CDL
that the guy that owned the house, the house across the street from the

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one that I've identified, was missingthe same two fingers, and through a
side TA he was actually sited andagainst his CDL because he failed to report
he dis missing those two fingers onhis physical So we know for a fact
that that's the right property and address. I just don't know why he was
there. We don't know specifically whatthe link is. I've been digging on

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it there's a lady up in WashingtonState that's been a ton of help.
I'll compile everything I've got on thatproperty and in your way. Yeah,
years to the day after her andher wedding, so it was her.
It was like the day after herwhen you're wedding at her, when he's
at the property. Okay, andJordans, did we confirmed that America keys

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Hunters, Washington, Yes, yes, there is, yeah, there,
yeah, there there we go.That was blank. I'm sorry, it's
been a minute. So his sister, mister America married a man that lived
in Hunters and their properties right downthe road from this place too. So
we discussed many of Joshua's and Dakota'stheories on cash is just basically, now

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look at us trying to find acash, trying to find a specific kind
of cash, because we think thereare six different types of cashes. So
that's that's kind of the We're reallyexcited about that. So yeah, I
definitely love to talk to you aboutthat. And throughout eighty minutes of conversation,
we discussed how the eight of uswere going to collaboratively as a team

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helped solve more of the Israel Keyscase. Mountain on top the far below

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the pressure, cruise pressure. Ifeel the way of a billion years come
down on me, come down.I tried to do it all right.
I went down, down, down, working hard, little delight. I

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forgot the sun of the parts sobright. I cannot hide, so hey,
the I cannot mine all of thispressure's sake, guys, so wild,
I can dame, so Shannya cannut name all of this precious say

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him, I spose. This episodewas written, researched, edited, and

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produced by me josh Hallmark, withadditional research by Kim Ka, Michelle Tooker,
Shana Walensky, and Jordan Taylor.This episode featured Joshua and Dakota from
Somewhere in the Pines, Shana WaLensky, Michelle Tooker, Kim Kay and
Jordan Taylor. Special thanks to KathleenStudor and Michael Beers. Resources included Vintage
Aerial dot Com, Cheapism dot Com, The Charlie Project, and NamUs.

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This episode was made possible by thefollowing Patreon producers Amelia Hancock, Amy Basel
and Marie Cash, Annette el ashFish, Becky c Benjamin Choppa, Fong,
Casey Jensen, Richardson, Christina Sissone, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton,
Wheedon, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studter, Katie Butler, Kendall C, Charisma
Rodriguez, Lana Holliday, Lauren fLinley, tuscoff Manolas Bullacus, Nicole and

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Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, SarahKing, s C. Shelley Brewer,
Sherry D. Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zach Ignottowitz, Warren, Beth McNally,
Hailey, Zeigert, John Comrie,Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Sarah
C, Shawna Harden, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler. Thank you to
Studio Both, Anne's newest Patreon supportersrachelle R, Stephanie, Megan B,
Tabitha H. Lindsay k Ashley C, Lisa, Tiffany n EA and Elizabeth

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S. To support the investigation,go to Patreon dot com slash Studio both
And. This episode included music byWilliam Hellfire and Radical Face, with featured
music by My Brightest Diamond sing ontop lit a glow, the precious sloes
pressure, I feel the blade,the cutting edge moves out out. My

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side is doing all right? Iwent down, down, down, we
had little I've forgotten the sound.Guys so bright black cannot pie, so
he cannot fine all of his precioussaking. Guys so wild lack cannot tame

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so shinya knnot name all of hisprescious sakeing this wears the white light pink
purple green, red, yellow blue. I am an unmod ind the cool

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pink purple green, red, yellowblue. I am an anmore for so
bright, I cannot pine so hey, the I cannut mine all of this
precious faking dies. So wild Icannot tame so shiny a cannut name all

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of this precious facing. No,this war's the way dispers the white light y

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