November 7, 2024 • 39 mins
As the investigation into Marble Arvidson's disappearance heats up, it takes Josh and the team to a second nearby disappearance with some overwhelming connections to Keyes. And a theory the team considered several years ago, rears its very ugly head.
This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research assistance by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, and Michelle Tooker.
Resources included:
• https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2011/10/19/police-search-for-missing-shelburne-woman/
• https://digital.nepr.net/news/2016/08/29/hurricane-irene-its-been-five-years-since-shelburne-falls-building-sailed-away/
• https://www.wwlp.com/news/hurricane-irene-remembered-in-franklin-county-five-years-later/
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This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research assistance by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, and Michelle Tooker.
Resources included:
• https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2011/10/19/police-search-for-missing-shelburne-woman/
• https://digital.nepr.net/news/2016/08/29/hurricane-irene-its-been-five-years-since-shelburne-falls-building-sailed-away/
• https://www.wwlp.com/news/hurricane-irene-remembered-in-franklin-county-five-years-later/
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is a studio both and production.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark.
And this is a serialized story of Israel Keys.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I live about an hour from Brattleboro, Vermont, the town
where Marble Arvidson lived and disappeared. And more often than
I'd like to admit, I find myself driving over Florida Mountain,
through the Pioneer Valley and across the state line into
his town, driving to all the places his friends and
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loved ones believed he might go, all the places they
thought he might have gone that day, the day he
went missing, the day before Hurricane Irene hit town. I
find myself driving in circles, wide stretches across southern Vermont.
For a kid with no car, Marble was able to
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get around quite a bit. For example, the woods and
his old abandoned house he liked to hang out on
sheer Hill Road. They're fourteen miles from his house. His
friends reported he'd often go there alone. Sometimes he'd even walk.
And the woods behind his friend CJ's house in west Wardsborough.
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They're twenty seven miles from Marble's house. The campground he
liked in Readsborough. It was twenty nine miles away, and
while his friends all insisted they didn't know Marble to hitchhike,
they also conceded that he was naive. He walked a lot,
he'd bum rides from people, and if he was determined
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to get somewhere, he'd likely get into any car that
offered him a ride. So while he wouldn't actively hitchhike,
he also wouldn't say no to a friendly passer by.
It's hard not to overlook the similarities between Marvel, Arvidsen
and israel Keys. Boys from troubled homes questioning their sexuality,
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reconciling their pasts, Guys who felt most comfortable alone in
the woods with varying interests in the occult camping, hiking
video games. Guys who hung out in cemeteries and abandoned houses,
albeit for very different reasons. My point is, there are
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so many ways their paths could have crossed, and still
there are so many other reasons Marble could have gone missing.
There are six that have stood out in our investigation.
One that Marble walked away from his life. According to
his best friend John, Marble wasn't happy with his current caretaker, Mike,
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and according to Mahalla. Marble was increasingly upset that his
estranged mother was moving back to Brattleborough. He was also
growing concerned about what would happen to him when he
aged out of the foster care system in a year,
and in an early police interview, John volunteered that Marble
had once said that if he was ever going to
run away and start a new life, the first thing
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he'd do is shave his head.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Did he talk to you at all?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Did he one thing that was interesting?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I figured you'd want to know this.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He was speaking a little bit of like he wanted
to make a change in his life this year, and
like he wanted something big to happen this year.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I thought thought.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
He wanted to change, and he wanted.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
To he wanted something big to happen, like something really
like ch it changed in his life.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It wasn't really He didn't really go into details.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Further than that. But what did what did you think
he meant? I just thought he was like he he
has like he's I feel like he's like stuck in
a rut, and he wanted something exciting to happen, like.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We all do so.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But after he went missing, I kind of like thought
about that, and it's like there might be some correlation
at that time.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, So I mean he just you want my opinion, Yeah,
I feel as though he went away for a little
longer than Hollywood, and he got back probably late at night.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And he realized, oh wow, everyone's freaking out, and so
he's just kind of somewhere trying to figure out how
he's gonna come back without people being really mad at him,
because that just seems like the person he is. Yeah,
but he hasn't contacted Ahalla, he hasn't contacted anybody.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I feel like he's just scared. I feel like I'm
assuming he's still just out there. But m m, I
feel like he's hiding now with a friend. I've even
heard people say they seem like with a shaved head.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And as law enforcement eluded there, there were multiple sightings
of Marble with a shaved head walking Route nine away
from Brattleborough on the day that he disappeared, two that
Marble died by suicide. As we've discussed, Marble had some
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severe anxieties and concerns at the time of his disappearance,
beyond the return of his estranged mother and his unstable
home life. Marble had also recently confided in two people
that he was confronting and struggling with a severe childhood trauma,
and according to both John and Mahala, he had a
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history of engaging in self harm, something that Mahala told
investigators he'd slowly been weaning himself from, but everyone in
his life insists he would not have died by suicide.
He had plans and goals and was looking forward to
his senior year of high school. He was working hard
to keep his grades up because he wanted to go
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to college.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
He was always talking about how you know, he wanted
to get really good grades this year and talking about
going to college, and that was like his big.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Dream for our relationship was like us going to the
same college together, and like he really was looking forward
to the future, and he really was future driven.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I spent a while kind of like thinking he might
have committed suicide, because, like you know, obviously, like sometimes
like suicide can be a very impulsive decision, and even
if you're like looking forward to the future and you
have like good things going on in your life, he
might still like just you know, in that one bad day,
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like make an impulsive decision, but like as time has progressed,
a really true you don't think that is what happened.
I think he was really happy, and I think he
was really like looking forward to things, and he he
just seems like really optimistic and happy, and he was
really happy with our relationship.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Three that Kai killed Marble. Of all the theories and
leads in the case files, this is the one that
seems to have held the most attention within the investigation
and within the Brattleborough community, But based on Kai's alibi
and the timeline, it also seems like the least plausible scenario.
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Here's Kai talking about his relationship with Marble.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
How many times a week do you see him? I mean,
you guys are friendly.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
Right, yeah, I mean we're like, it's not likely like
hang out or anything. But I mean if I go
there and he's there, I mean there. Oh, if I
go to Mahala's, yeah, and to visit, if he's there,
then it's fine. It's not like any negativity or anything,
or just there and watch a show or something.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Because I'm sorry, I'm a little I came in late
to this case, so sometimes I need a little educating.
You and Mahala are once an item, right, Okay, so.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
That ended a few months ago?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Was that all right? I mean, if I'm getting if
I'm transpassing, let me go. But I'm just trying to
figure out the players. So you were once a romantic couple,
and how do you get along now.
Speaker 10 (08:40):
We're finding her friends hang out?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (08:43):
So when Kai now now highs her romantic partner?
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Or I'm sorry, I'm in marble correct and imad Yeah, sorry,
I need a helping And like I said, all right,
so yeah, and that's okay with the three of you.
Talk about that between the three.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Of you with.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
And I mean in the beginning, you know, it was
a little bit harder, but I never anything gets him.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because it's Mhala's choice to do that.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
So basically, I mean, it was a little bit depressed,
just like anyone would be.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
And then you know, kind of just went on.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
And let me just hang out.
Speaker 12 (09:24):
Cool.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
How did he seem the last time you saw him?
What was his demeanor?
Speaker 10 (09:30):
Like, I mean, do you think, well, the last time
I saw him, it's just a brief hey, so you know,
I couldn't really pick up feelings, but it seemed normal
at least like it.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
He was just sitting there just like hey, just kind of.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Like how we are kind of just out the door.
Speaker 13 (09:49):
Did you ever have any private time with him, like
a walk or something else. So I was hoping you'd
go and hiking with him at one point so that
you could sort of find out what kind of guy
he was and what he was thinking and what his
f were of life in general.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
Mm, the only pride of time is me if like
Muhalla went to go be like a drink or food
or something.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Yeah, what's your what's your judge about this guy?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
What you're feeling about him?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (10:18):
You just seems like a calm, laid back person.
Speaker 11 (10:27):
I sort of uh got the feeling from the hall
that she was kind of in the dumbs, cut himself
stuff like that. Did you know anything about that or
did she ever talk to you about him?
Speaker 10 (10:38):
I knew he had uh she mentioned he had like
a rough childhood, but I never I mean, like when
I was there, I didn't really see anything like that.
Speaker 9 (10:50):
He was like depressed or angry, but I mean he
might have been like on his own, like if he
wasn't around us or something. But she just said that
like his mom was crazy and she like treated him
really badly, and he was.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Just like really weird acting.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's what I was most struck by in these interviews.
For a young twenty something, Kai doesn't seem very guarded.
He offers up as much information as he can. He
seems incredibly honest and candid about his relationship with Mahala,
about his relationship with Marble, about the people in Marble's life.
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But mostly I can't help but assume that if Kai
were involved in Marble's disappearance, he'd take this opportunity to
downplay his sadness over his breakup with Mahala and to
play up Marble's depression and self harm. But instead, he's
honest and forthcoming and as revealing as that. I noticed
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that throughout his entire interview, Kai consistently refers to Marble
in the present tense. He seems fine, He is a
nice guy. He hangs out with John and c J
and so on and so on and again, the timeline
makes it really challenging. Four that the brothers killed Marble.
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The researchers and I have all compared these brothers to
another set of brothers in Essex, Vermont, who were telling
people that they killed the couriers. And much like with
those brothers, there's nothing connecting these brothers to Marble and
their timeline is if he at best, and according to
the police files, every one who mentioned these brothers possibly
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killing Marble was an addict and or suffered from severe
mental health issues. Five that Marble was lost to Hurricane Irene.
By all accounts, only one person from Brattleborough died during
Hurricane Irene, a twenty year old from North Macedonia named
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Ivana Tasiva, who was in the area on a work program.
She actually wasn't in Brattleboro when she died. She was
in a car traveling north on Route one hundred just
north of Wilmington when floodwater swept her away as she
and two of her friends were trying to escape their car.
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Now this is the exact area Marble most likely would
have been heading when he went missing, the stretch between
Sheer Hills Road and c Jay's Woods, which is also
the same stretch where John lived and where Marble's favorite
foster parents, Pat.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And Sioux lived.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But Marble disappeared more than nineteen hours before Irene hit
southern Vermont, and if he somehow found himself stranded in
the Wilmington area as the hurricane was coming in. There
were many people nearby who he knew, loved, and trusted.
Six that Marble was intercepted by a stranger with bad intentions.
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Apart from small town gossip, there is no real evidence
in Marble's disappearance. We only have two solid things to
go with. Marble left his house seemingly of his own
accord at about two pm on August twenty seventh. He
left a note that his friends think implied that he
was going to smoke weed in the woods. And Marble's
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roommate saw a six foot two white male wearing a
baseball cap and speaking amicably with Marvel in the entryway
of their house shortly before Marble left. We do not
even know that Marble left with this man, simply that
Marble had a conversation with him in the foyer of
the house not long before Marble left the note and
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walked away. We do have a lead on who that
six foot two man might be, because there was someone
in Marble's life who fit that description, and while that
person very likely would not harm Marble, nor would he
be someone Marble would ever smoke weed with. He might
be someone whom Marble would call to get a ride from,
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and as far as the case files indicate, this person
has never been interviewed. I want to believe that Marble
simply walked away from a life that wasn't serving him.
That he squirreled away money from his job, walked away
from his troubled past, and hopped on a train for
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some place new that in a city somewhere or some
small town out in the woods. He celebrated his thirtieth
birthday this past summer, surrounded by a family of friends.
I think it's something he was capable of. He was
naive but resourceful, troubled but driven, and by all accounts,
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incredibly smart with big ideas. I want to believe that
he just walked away, but I don't. About a year
and a half ago, when I was reviewing Marble's case,
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I started looking into other area disappearances, and one neither
far away in distance nor time, came onto my radar.
There was very little information about it online, so we
foied the case almost immediately and continue to wait for
a response, which is allegedly coming soon. But the new
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information with Mark Oldberry and the Laplace. Cash brought me
back to Marble and this other disappearance, because if Keyes
was in fact responsible for the disappearances of Mark Oldberry
and Jimmy Tidwell, then this would line up quite well
with a possible pattern. On February first of twenty twelve,
Keys abducted and murdered Samantha Konig and then immediately left
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the area. One to three days later, Keys hypothetically abducts
and murders Mark Olberry and then immediately leaves the area.
About two weeks later, on February fifteenth, Keyes returns to
the same area he abducted Mark from and hypothetically abducts
and murders to meet Hitwell, and then again immediately left
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the area. Now with that in mind, consider this. On
June eighth of twenty eleven, Keyes abducted and murdered the
Couriers in Essex, Vermont, and then immediately left the area.
Two months later, on August twenty seventh, Keyes hypothetically returns
to the general area, abducts and kills Marble Arvidson, then
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immediately leaves that area. We have sightings of him in Johnstown,
New York the following day and He's confirmed an anchorage
on the night of September fourth, fifty three days later,
on October nineteenth, he hypothetically returns to the area and
abducts and kills Nancy Rege, then immediately leaves the immediate area.
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Nancy Regy disappeared from Shelbourne Falls, Massachusetts, on October nineteenth
of twenty eleven, fifty three days after Marble disappeared, and
just thirty miles across the Vermont, Massachusetts state line due
south from Brattleboro. At the time of her disappearance, Nancy
was sixty four years old. She weighed one hundred and
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thirty pounds and stood at approximately five foot three. She
had curly gray hair and blue eyes. She was legally
blind in her left eye, diabetic and insulin dependent, and
had suffered a series of mini strokes a year and
a half prior. In two thousand and nine. According to
most reports, Nancy was living with her sister on School
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Street in the Buckland area of Shelbourne Falls. She was
working as a bank teller in town and had no car.
She relied on the Franklin County Regional Transit buses to
get around. There's some discrepancies and a bit of ambiguity
surrounding the circumstances of Nancy's disappearance, but my general understanding
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until we can get those case files, is that Nancy
left her house on the morning of October nineteenth to
walk to a nearby post box to mail a letter.
According to NamUs, local law enforcement checked with local bus drivers,
and there is evidence of her being picked up that morning. Unfortunately,
it's unclear whether she was picked up near her house
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or at some other location, specifically near the intersection of
Charlemont Road and Upper Road, where she is sometimes reportedly
last seen. But these reports could be due to geotagging
errors placing her in the Buckland town se rather than
at her home address in Buckland. Because unfortunately, we don't
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have any details about this alleged sighting on Charlemont Road,
but the intersection of Charlemonton Upper Roads in Buckland is interesting.
It's a rural area approximately four miles from Nancy's house
on School Street. It's mostly wooded, with a few houses
and a small church, the Buckland Historical Museum, the Buckland
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Public Library, the Buckland Public Hall, and two wooded cemeteries.
And while we don't know whether it's credible that this
was Nancy's last known location. We do know that Nancy
was reported missing at eight twenty nine that morning, after
neither her sister nor brother could get in touch with her,
and local law enforcement took her disappearance very seriously. They
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conducted multiple on the ground searches, canine searches, and even
searched the nearby Deerfield River. There were candlelight vigils and
extra desensitive reporting across the state for six months following
her disappearance, Yet there was no new information, no known leads,
and no known sightings of Nancy ever again, and that
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brings us to Israel keys when it comes to Keysa's
potential involvement in the disappearance of Nancy Regi, there's a
lot to unpack with her case. Let's start with the
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date October nineteenth, twenty eleven. It was about seven weeks
after Hurricane Irene ravaged not only southern Vermont, but the
Pioneer and Connecticut River valleys of Massachusetts. Shelburne Falls was
one of the hardest hit towns in northern mass The
Deerfield River experienced floodings so heavy that it washed away
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an entire building. Multiple other buildings were just stroid, and
roads and highways were washed out. The bridge connecting the
north and south sides of town was out of service
for three weeks following the hurricane. So to say that
the town was still experiencing the after effects in mid
October when Nancy went missing would be an understatement.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
It was.
Speaker 12 (22:18):
Yeah, I was just becoming less or less maintainable and
and like you say, my my self control wasn't. I
felt like it was no longer to a point where
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I could put things off till next trail.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
My solution was.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
To just make.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
Get a travel trailer to make life.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
To make what.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Being don't be a nomad again.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Oh that's what you were thinking.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
You were just do was just gonna live with a
travel trailer, travel around or whatever.
Speaker 12 (23:06):
Yeah, I have a home base travel Did you have
plans for the future. Yeah, that's what I was gonna do,
is going to be a traveling contractor. Follow the hurricanes,
and we.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Have significant information that provides us a high degree of
certainty that Keys was in the area when Nancy disappeared.
Let's start with the sightings. There are more than a
handful of sightings placing Keys in New England in late
October in early November of twenty eleven, including but not
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limited to an October twenty fifth siding placing him in
South Burlington, Vermont, a late September or early October encounter
on a sunny Albany bus, a late October or early
November sighting at the Johnstown, New York Soup Kitchen, and
two early November sidings playing him in or around Essex Junction.
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And included amongst those is the infamous contra dance encounter
that we discussed at length in our initial coverage of
Marble's disappearance. But to refresh your memory, a woman reported
to the FBI Key's Tip Line that she was certain
she met Israel Keys at a contra dance in Massachusetts
in twenty eleven. She said the man that she was
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certain was Keys was taller than five foot nine, had
hazel eyes, curly brown shoulder length hair, and no facial hair.
All of this was true of Keys at the time.
She reported that she and the man talked for several
minutes while at the dance. She described him as calm, quiet,
and self assured. He told her that he had served
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in the Middle East, while in the army, Keys did,
and that he had since developed software to teach Arabic
Keys did not. He told her he was living in
his car down by the river and was traveling the
Northeast trying to sell his software to local colleges, and
we can place Keys at several Northeast colleges in this
time frame. When she revealed that she worked at a bank,
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the man jokingly asked if she could get him some money.
She said that he was reserved and never took his
coat off, which she found odd because it was incredibly
hot inside the building. We've often opined whether this could
be in an effort to conceal Keys's brand scars. She
told the FBI that the conversation with Keys ended pretty
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abruptly after he made several uncomfortable comments about her teenage daughter.
She also noted that the man's two upper front teeth
seemed further back than the rest of his top teeth,
which is also true of Geese. She said that the
encounter was in October of twenty eleven at an indoor
contradance off Interstate ninety one, around the time that Marble
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Arbudson disappeared, and in our initial coverage. We wondered if
perhaps she got dates wrong, seeing as how Marble disappeared
in August of two thousand eleven. Now, based on her
description of the location of the dance, Shana and Tooks
were fairly certain it was at Guiding Star Grange in Greenfield, Massachusetts,
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which is twelve miles from Nancy Reggey's house. But more
on that contra dance in just a few minutes, because
we're not just relying on the sidings to place Keys
in the area. There's also an interview with the close
friend of Heidi Keys, who told the FBI that Keyes
visited her in Indiana in either August or September of
two thousand eleven, which is around the time that Marble vanished,
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and very similar to Keyes visiting her in June of
two thousand eleven, right before he abducted and killed the couriers.
But she also reported that Keyes visited Heidi in Maine
in mid October of two thousand eleven. He was there
to help work on the sugar shack. This woman's mother
needed to twenty four hour care and it was Heidi
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and several of her daughters who were her caretakers, so
she would be intimately aware of Heidi's scheduled and travels,
and this would align with Keys helping out at the
sugar Shack almost every single October. In addition to that,
we have two bank robberies we've long been looking into
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as potential Keys robberies in the area at the time.
An October twenty seventh bank robbery in Waturvlier, New York.
I'm sure I pronounced that wrong, which is just outside
of Albany, and a November twenty second bank robbery in
South Burlington, Vermont, where the robber was wearing what appears
to be an n ninety five face mask and a
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black Derby hat similar to the one Marble Arbudsen was
last seen wearing. And then on top of all of that,
we have Keys himself admitting that he was inconstable at
the time.
Speaker 16 (28:00):
New York stuff.
Speaker 15 (28:01):
Show you what they took from the property in New York,
all right, this was the this is the list. Some
that's pretty you know, imagine a chump the description of
what is rot but I should be the old property.
Speaker 14 (28:23):
Wow, way back?
Speaker 15 (28:28):
What stuff? Just all this stuff anything.
Speaker 14 (28:32):
From New York.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
You're going way back.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
When's the last time you were there.
Speaker 12 (28:36):
Oh, I was there just a year or.
Speaker 15 (28:38):
So ago, but living there, I haven't here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's from his October thirtieth interview, and he says, yeah,
I was there a year or so ago, and the
timeline supports all of this. Keyes's last confirmed activity in
Alaska is on September twenty third. Now, there are several
clients who say that he did work for them in
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October or November, but we don't have the dates, and
they could be early October and late November, and then
Keys can't be confirmed in Alaska again until December nineteenth.
So for this entire window where Keys is seen all
over metro Albany and across Vermont and northern Massachusetts and
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is accounted for by one of Heidi's friends in Maine,
there is not a single transaction, phone record or confirmed
client date placing him anywhere, let alone in Anchorage, Alaska.
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Now let's get back to that contra dance. Shana and
Tucker looked extensively at the specific contra dance club that
held dances at Guiding Star Grange, among a few other
facilities across Massachusetts and southern Vermont, and they found that
there was a contra dance held there on August twenty sixth,
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the day before Marble went missing, but there was also
one held there on October fourteenth, five days before Nancy
Regy disappeared, twelve miles away, and as this woman said
October two thousand eleven. But additionally, the Buckland Public Hall
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and mary Lyon Church, both on the intersection where some
websites placed Nancy's last known location, were also hosts of
contra dances back in October of two thousand eleven, and
both sat next to very heavily forested cemeteries. And then
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there's this the interview clip from Keys that takes us
back to my original thoughts on a possible mo or
past or involving returning to the same places to commit
his abductions.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
You remember where he stayed or anything on the trip hotels.
I don't remember the hotels I stayed in and uh
in Massachusetts or New Hampshire, but I remember I do
remember it was the same hotel that I stayed at,
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neverdurer trip. Yeah, and that was my initial intention in Vermont,
was to just stay there and get the guns. Check
on the guns because I had buried them in a
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in a box that wasn't. I wasn't happy with it
was very water tight, so I wanted to make sure
they they were still okay, do it in a bucket,
dig him up and rebury him in a bucket somewhere
in Maine or whatever. And hadn't really planned on doing
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anything in Vermont for sure, but then yeah, that night
that I did the couriers.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That was.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
Originally I was thinking I would go further east, like
Maine or something.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But yeah, despite Tupper Lake in Essex Junction being one
hundred miles apart, Keys stayed in the same hotel in
Essex Junction, Vermont, when he abducted and killed both Deborah
Feldman and the couriers. Doctors Ramslin and Cuncle and Bobby
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Chacohone have all discussed the importance of ritual and build
up to Keys. They all agreed he would likely find
ways to return to his crimes and relive them. Cannot
be overemphasized that he stayed in the same hotel for
three of the four murders we can connect him to,
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which takes us back to these two disappearances from two
small nearby towns less than two months apart, separated by
a state line. Where there is fairly compelling circumstantial evidence
connecting Keys, and in my opinion, where Keys is the
best suspect. Two cases where local law enforcement have said
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they are completely baffled and it's as if each person
vanished into thin alas with no real evidence, which is
almost verbatim with the FBI set in a press release
about Keys. Look for disappearances where the person seems to
have vanished into thin air with no evidence whatsoever. Marble
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Arvidson and Nancy Riggi each lived on the edges of
their small river towns. Marble's house surrounded by forests and
fields on two sides, Nancys set back far off the
road and obscured entirely by fir trees. They both reportedly
left their homes to go for a walk and were
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never seen again.
Speaker 16 (34:45):
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Speaker 14 (35:11):
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Speaker 16 (35:31):
You got it on the wall.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
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Speaker 3 (35:35):
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me better than can you turn the TV down? You
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Speaker 17 (35:53):
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Speaker 7 (35:56):
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And this is a serialized story of Israel Keys.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I live about an hour from Brattleboro, Vermont, the town
where Marble Arvidson lived and disappeared. And more often than
I'd like to admit, I find myself driving over Florida Mountain,
through the Pioneer Valley and across the state line into
his town, driving to all the places his friends and
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loved ones believed he might go, all the places they
thought he might have gone that day, the day he
went missing, the day before Hurricane Irene hit town. I
find myself driving in circles, wide stretches across southern Vermont.
For a kid with no car, Marble was able to
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get around quite a bit. For example, the woods and
his old abandoned house he liked to hang out on
sheer Hill Road. They're fourteen miles from his house. His
friends reported he'd often go there alone. Sometimes he'd even walk.
And the woods behind his friend CJ's house in west Wardsborough.
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They're twenty seven miles from Marble's house. The campground he
liked in Readsborough. It was twenty nine miles away, and
while his friends all insisted they didn't know Marble to hitchhike,
they also conceded that he was naive. He walked a lot,
he'd bum rides from people, and if he was determined
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to get somewhere, he'd likely get into any car that
offered him a ride. So while he wouldn't actively hitchhike,
he also wouldn't say no to a friendly passer by.
It's hard not to overlook the similarities between Marvel, Arvidsen
and israel Keys. Boys from troubled homes questioning their sexuality,
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reconciling their pasts, Guys who felt most comfortable alone in
the woods with varying interests in the occult camping, hiking
video games. Guys who hung out in cemeteries and abandoned houses,
albeit for very different reasons. My point is, there are
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so many ways their paths could have crossed, and still
there are so many other reasons Marble could have gone missing.
There are six that have stood out in our investigation.
One that Marble walked away from his life. According to
his best friend John, Marble wasn't happy with his current caretaker, Mike,
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and according to Mahalla. Marble was increasingly upset that his
estranged mother was moving back to Brattleborough. He was also
growing concerned about what would happen to him when he
aged out of the foster care system in a year,
and in an early police interview, John volunteered that Marble
had once said that if he was ever going to
run away and start a new life, the first thing
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he'd do is shave his head.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Did he talk to you at all?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Did he one thing that was interesting?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I figured you'd want to know this.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He was speaking a little bit of like he wanted
to make a change in his life this year, and
like he wanted something big to happen this year.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I thought thought.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
He wanted to change, and he wanted.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
To he wanted something big to happen, like something really
like ch it changed in his life.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It wasn't really He didn't really go into details.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Further than that. But what did what did you think
he meant? I just thought he was like he he
has like he's I feel like he's like stuck in
a rut, and he wanted something exciting to happen, like.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We all do so.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But after he went missing, I kind of like thought
about that, and it's like there might be some correlation
at that time.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, So I mean he just you want my opinion, Yeah,
I feel as though he went away for a little
longer than Hollywood, and he got back probably late at night.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And he realized, oh wow, everyone's freaking out, and so
he's just kind of somewhere trying to figure out how
he's gonna come back without people being really mad at him,
because that just seems like the person he is. Yeah,
but he hasn't contacted Ahalla, he hasn't contacted anybody.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I feel like he's just scared. I feel like I'm
assuming he's still just out there. But m m, I
feel like he's hiding now with a friend. I've even
heard people say they seem like with a shaved head.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And as law enforcement eluded there, there were multiple sightings
of Marble with a shaved head walking Route nine away
from Brattleborough on the day that he disappeared, two that
Marble died by suicide. As we've discussed, Marble had some
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severe anxieties and concerns at the time of his disappearance,
beyond the return of his estranged mother and his unstable
home life. Marble had also recently confided in two people
that he was confronting and struggling with a severe childhood trauma,
and according to both John and Mahala, he had a
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history of engaging in self harm, something that Mahala told
investigators he'd slowly been weaning himself from, but everyone in
his life insists he would not have died by suicide.
He had plans and goals and was looking forward to
his senior year of high school. He was working hard
to keep his grades up because he wanted to go
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to college.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
He was always talking about how you know, he wanted
to get really good grades this year and talking about
going to college, and that was like his big.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Dream for our relationship was like us going to the
same college together, and like he really was looking forward
to the future, and he really was future driven.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I spent a while kind of like thinking he might
have committed suicide, because, like you know, obviously, like sometimes
like suicide can be a very impulsive decision, and even
if you're like looking forward to the future and you
have like good things going on in your life, he
might still like just you know, in that one bad day,
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like make an impulsive decision, but like as time has progressed,
a really true you don't think that is what happened.
I think he was really happy, and I think he
was really like looking forward to things, and he he
just seems like really optimistic and happy, and he was
really happy with our relationship.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Three that Kai killed Marble. Of all the theories and
leads in the case files, this is the one that
seems to have held the most attention within the investigation
and within the Brattleborough community, But based on Kai's alibi
and the timeline, it also seems like the least plausible scenario.
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Here's Kai talking about his relationship with Marble.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
How many times a week do you see him? I mean,
you guys are friendly.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
Right, yeah, I mean we're like, it's not likely like
hang out or anything. But I mean if I go
there and he's there, I mean there. Oh, if I
go to Mahala's, yeah, and to visit, if he's there,
then it's fine. It's not like any negativity or anything,
or just there and watch a show or something.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Because I'm sorry, I'm a little I came in late
to this case, so sometimes I need a little educating.
You and Mahala are once an item, right, Okay, so.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
That ended a few months ago?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Was that all right? I mean, if I'm getting if
I'm transpassing, let me go. But I'm just trying to
figure out the players. So you were once a romantic couple,
and how do you get along now.
Speaker 10 (08:40):
We're finding her friends hang out?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (08:43):
So when Kai now now highs her romantic partner?
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Or I'm sorry, I'm in marble correct and imad Yeah, sorry,
I need a helping And like I said, all right,
so yeah, and that's okay with the three of you.
Talk about that between the three.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Of you with.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
And I mean in the beginning, you know, it was
a little bit harder, but I never anything gets him.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because it's Mhala's choice to do that.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
So basically, I mean, it was a little bit depressed,
just like anyone would be.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
And then you know, kind of just went on.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
And let me just hang out.
Speaker 12 (09:24):
Cool.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
How did he seem the last time you saw him?
What was his demeanor?
Speaker 10 (09:30):
Like, I mean, do you think, well, the last time
I saw him, it's just a brief hey, so you know,
I couldn't really pick up feelings, but it seemed normal
at least like it.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
He was just sitting there just like hey, just kind of.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Like how we are kind of just out the door.
Speaker 13 (09:49):
Did you ever have any private time with him, like
a walk or something else. So I was hoping you'd
go and hiking with him at one point so that
you could sort of find out what kind of guy
he was and what he was thinking and what his
f were of life in general.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
Mm, the only pride of time is me if like
Muhalla went to go be like a drink or food
or something.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Yeah, what's your what's your judge about this guy?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
What you're feeling about him?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (10:18):
You just seems like a calm, laid back person.
Speaker 11 (10:27):
I sort of uh got the feeling from the hall
that she was kind of in the dumbs, cut himself
stuff like that. Did you know anything about that or
did she ever talk to you about him?
Speaker 10 (10:38):
I knew he had uh she mentioned he had like
a rough childhood, but I never I mean, like when
I was there, I didn't really see anything like that.
Speaker 9 (10:50):
He was like depressed or angry, but I mean he
might have been like on his own, like if he
wasn't around us or something. But she just said that
like his mom was crazy and she like treated him
really badly, and he was.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Just like really weird acting.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's what I was most struck by in these interviews.
For a young twenty something, Kai doesn't seem very guarded.
He offers up as much information as he can. He
seems incredibly honest and candid about his relationship with Mahala,
about his relationship with Marble, about the people in Marble's life.
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But mostly I can't help but assume that if Kai
were involved in Marble's disappearance, he'd take this opportunity to
downplay his sadness over his breakup with Mahala and to
play up Marble's depression and self harm. But instead, he's
honest and forthcoming and as revealing as that. I noticed
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that throughout his entire interview, Kai consistently refers to Marble
in the present tense. He seems fine, He is a
nice guy. He hangs out with John and c J
and so on and so on and again, the timeline
makes it really challenging. Four that the brothers killed Marble.
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The researchers and I have all compared these brothers to
another set of brothers in Essex, Vermont, who were telling
people that they killed the couriers. And much like with
those brothers, there's nothing connecting these brothers to Marble and
their timeline is if he at best, and according to
the police files, every one who mentioned these brothers possibly
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killing Marble was an addict and or suffered from severe
mental health issues. Five that Marble was lost to Hurricane Irene.
By all accounts, only one person from Brattleborough died during
Hurricane Irene, a twenty year old from North Macedonia named
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Ivana Tasiva, who was in the area on a work program.
She actually wasn't in Brattleboro when she died. She was
in a car traveling north on Route one hundred just
north of Wilmington when floodwater swept her away as she
and two of her friends were trying to escape their car.
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Now this is the exact area Marble most likely would
have been heading when he went missing, the stretch between
Sheer Hills Road and c Jay's Woods, which is also
the same stretch where John lived and where Marble's favorite
foster parents, Pat.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And Sioux lived.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But Marble disappeared more than nineteen hours before Irene hit
southern Vermont, and if he somehow found himself stranded in
the Wilmington area as the hurricane was coming in. There
were many people nearby who he knew, loved, and trusted.
Six that Marble was intercepted by a stranger with bad intentions.
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Apart from small town gossip, there is no real evidence
in Marble's disappearance. We only have two solid things to
go with. Marble left his house seemingly of his own
accord at about two pm on August twenty seventh. He
left a note that his friends think implied that he
was going to smoke weed in the woods. And Marble's
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roommate saw a six foot two white male wearing a
baseball cap and speaking amicably with Marvel in the entryway
of their house shortly before Marble left. We do not
even know that Marble left with this man, simply that
Marble had a conversation with him in the foyer of
the house not long before Marble left the note and
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walked away. We do have a lead on who that
six foot two man might be, because there was someone
in Marble's life who fit that description, and while that
person very likely would not harm Marble, nor would he
be someone Marble would ever smoke weed with. He might
be someone whom Marble would call to get a ride from,
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and as far as the case files indicate, this person
has never been interviewed. I want to believe that Marble
simply walked away from a life that wasn't serving him.
That he squirreled away money from his job, walked away
from his troubled past, and hopped on a train for
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some place new that in a city somewhere or some
small town out in the woods. He celebrated his thirtieth
birthday this past summer, surrounded by a family of friends.
I think it's something he was capable of. He was
naive but resourceful, troubled but driven, and by all accounts,
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incredibly smart with big ideas. I want to believe that
he just walked away, but I don't. About a year
and a half ago, when I was reviewing Marble's case,
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I started looking into other area disappearances, and one neither
far away in distance nor time, came onto my radar.
There was very little information about it online, so we
foied the case almost immediately and continue to wait for
a response, which is allegedly coming soon. But the new
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information with Mark Oldberry and the Laplace. Cash brought me
back to Marble and this other disappearance, because if Keyes
was in fact responsible for the disappearances of Mark Oldberry
and Jimmy Tidwell, then this would line up quite well
with a possible pattern. On February first of twenty twelve,
Keys abducted and murdered Samantha Konig and then immediately left
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the area. One to three days later, Keys hypothetically abducts
and murders Mark Olberry and then immediately leaves the area.
About two weeks later, on February fifteenth, Keyes returns to
the same area he abducted Mark from and hypothetically abducts
and murders to meet Hitwell, and then again immediately left
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the area. Now with that in mind, consider this. On
June eighth of twenty eleven, Keyes abducted and murdered the
Couriers in Essex, Vermont, and then immediately left the area.
Two months later, on August twenty seventh, Keyes hypothetically returns
to the general area, abducts and kills Marble Arvidson, then
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immediately leaves that area. We have sightings of him in Johnstown,
New York the following day and He's confirmed an anchorage
on the night of September fourth, fifty three days later,
on October nineteenth, he hypothetically returns to the area and
abducts and kills Nancy Rege, then immediately leaves the immediate area.
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Nancy Regy disappeared from Shelbourne Falls, Massachusetts, on October nineteenth
of twenty eleven, fifty three days after Marble disappeared, and
just thirty miles across the Vermont, Massachusetts state line due
south from Brattleboro. At the time of her disappearance, Nancy
was sixty four years old. She weighed one hundred and
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thirty pounds and stood at approximately five foot three. She
had curly gray hair and blue eyes. She was legally
blind in her left eye, diabetic and insulin dependent, and
had suffered a series of mini strokes a year and
a half prior. In two thousand and nine. According to
most reports, Nancy was living with her sister on School
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Street in the Buckland area of Shelbourne Falls. She was
working as a bank teller in town and had no car.
She relied on the Franklin County Regional Transit buses to
get around. There's some discrepancies and a bit of ambiguity
surrounding the circumstances of Nancy's disappearance, but my general understanding
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until we can get those case files, is that Nancy
left her house on the morning of October nineteenth to
walk to a nearby post box to mail a letter.
According to NamUs, local law enforcement checked with local bus drivers,
and there is evidence of her being picked up that morning. Unfortunately,
it's unclear whether she was picked up near her house
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or at some other location, specifically near the intersection of
Charlemont Road and Upper Road, where she is sometimes reportedly
last seen. But these reports could be due to geotagging
errors placing her in the Buckland town se rather than
at her home address in Buckland. Because unfortunately, we don't
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have any details about this alleged sighting on Charlemont Road,
but the intersection of Charlemonton Upper Roads in Buckland is interesting.
It's a rural area approximately four miles from Nancy's house
on School Street. It's mostly wooded, with a few houses
and a small church, the Buckland Historical Museum, the Buckland
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Public Library, the Buckland Public Hall, and two wooded cemeteries.
And while we don't know whether it's credible that this
was Nancy's last known location. We do know that Nancy
was reported missing at eight twenty nine that morning, after
neither her sister nor brother could get in touch with her,
and local law enforcement took her disappearance very seriously. They
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conducted multiple on the ground searches, canine searches, and even
searched the nearby Deerfield River. There were candlelight vigils and
extra desensitive reporting across the state for six months following
her disappearance, Yet there was no new information, no known leads,
and no known sightings of Nancy ever again, and that
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brings us to Israel keys when it comes to Keysa's
potential involvement in the disappearance of Nancy Regi, there's a
lot to unpack with her case. Let's start with the
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date October nineteenth, twenty eleven. It was about seven weeks
after Hurricane Irene ravaged not only southern Vermont, but the
Pioneer and Connecticut River valleys of Massachusetts. Shelburne Falls was
one of the hardest hit towns in northern mass The
Deerfield River experienced floodings so heavy that it washed away
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an entire building. Multiple other buildings were just stroid, and
roads and highways were washed out. The bridge connecting the
north and south sides of town was out of service
for three weeks following the hurricane. So to say that
the town was still experiencing the after effects in mid
October when Nancy went missing would be an understatement.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
It was.
Speaker 12 (22:18):
Yeah, I was just becoming less or less maintainable and
and like you say, my my self control wasn't. I
felt like it was no longer to a point where
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I could put things off till next trail.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
My solution was.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
To just make.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
Get a travel trailer to make life.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
To make what.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Being don't be a nomad again.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Oh that's what you were thinking.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
You were just do was just gonna live with a
travel trailer, travel around or whatever.
Speaker 12 (23:06):
Yeah, I have a home base travel Did you have
plans for the future. Yeah, that's what I was gonna do,
is going to be a traveling contractor. Follow the hurricanes,
and we.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Have significant information that provides us a high degree of
certainty that Keys was in the area when Nancy disappeared.
Let's start with the sightings. There are more than a
handful of sightings placing Keys in New England in late
October in early November of twenty eleven, including but not
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limited to an October twenty fifth siding placing him in
South Burlington, Vermont, a late September or early October encounter
on a sunny Albany bus, a late October or early
November sighting at the Johnstown, New York Soup Kitchen, and
two early November sidings playing him in or around Essex Junction.
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And included amongst those is the infamous contra dance encounter
that we discussed at length in our initial coverage of
Marble's disappearance. But to refresh your memory, a woman reported
to the FBI Key's Tip Line that she was certain
she met Israel Keys at a contra dance in Massachusetts
in twenty eleven. She said the man that she was
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certain was Keys was taller than five foot nine, had
hazel eyes, curly brown shoulder length hair, and no facial hair.
All of this was true of Keys at the time.
She reported that she and the man talked for several
minutes while at the dance. She described him as calm, quiet,
and self assured. He told her that he had served
(24:47):
in the Middle East, while in the army, Keys did,
and that he had since developed software to teach Arabic
Keys did not. He told her he was living in
his car down by the river and was traveling the
Northeast trying to sell his software to local colleges, and
we can place Keys at several Northeast colleges in this
time frame. When she revealed that she worked at a bank,
(25:11):
the man jokingly asked if she could get him some money.
She said that he was reserved and never took his
coat off, which she found odd because it was incredibly
hot inside the building. We've often opined whether this could
be in an effort to conceal Keys's brand scars. She
told the FBI that the conversation with Keys ended pretty
(25:32):
abruptly after he made several uncomfortable comments about her teenage daughter.
She also noted that the man's two upper front teeth
seemed further back than the rest of his top teeth,
which is also true of Geese. She said that the
encounter was in October of twenty eleven at an indoor
contradance off Interstate ninety one, around the time that Marble
(25:55):
Arbudson disappeared, and in our initial coverage. We wondered if
perhaps she got dates wrong, seeing as how Marble disappeared
in August of two thousand eleven. Now, based on her
description of the location of the dance, Shana and Tooks
were fairly certain it was at Guiding Star Grange in Greenfield, Massachusetts,
(26:16):
which is twelve miles from Nancy Reggey's house. But more
on that contra dance in just a few minutes, because
we're not just relying on the sidings to place Keys
in the area. There's also an interview with the close
friend of Heidi Keys, who told the FBI that Keyes
visited her in Indiana in either August or September of
two thousand eleven, which is around the time that Marble vanished,
(26:40):
and very similar to Keyes visiting her in June of
two thousand eleven, right before he abducted and killed the couriers.
But she also reported that Keyes visited Heidi in Maine
in mid October of two thousand eleven. He was there
to help work on the sugar shack. This woman's mother
needed to twenty four hour care and it was Heidi
(27:02):
and several of her daughters who were her caretakers, so
she would be intimately aware of Heidi's scheduled and travels,
and this would align with Keys helping out at the
sugar Shack almost every single October. In addition to that,
we have two bank robberies we've long been looking into
(27:22):
as potential Keys robberies in the area at the time.
An October twenty seventh bank robbery in Waturvlier, New York.
I'm sure I pronounced that wrong, which is just outside
of Albany, and a November twenty second bank robbery in
South Burlington, Vermont, where the robber was wearing what appears
to be an n ninety five face mask and a
(27:43):
black Derby hat similar to the one Marble Arbudsen was
last seen wearing. And then on top of all of that,
we have Keys himself admitting that he was inconstable at
the time.
Speaker 16 (28:00):
New York stuff.
Speaker 15 (28:01):
Show you what they took from the property in New York,
all right, this was the this is the list. Some
that's pretty you know, imagine a chump the description of
what is rot but I should be the old property.
Speaker 14 (28:23):
Wow, way back?
Speaker 15 (28:28):
What stuff? Just all this stuff anything.
Speaker 14 (28:32):
From New York.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
You're going way back.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
When's the last time you were there.
Speaker 12 (28:36):
Oh, I was there just a year or.
Speaker 15 (28:38):
So ago, but living there, I haven't here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's from his October thirtieth interview, and he says, yeah,
I was there a year or so ago, and the
timeline supports all of this. Keyes's last confirmed activity in
Alaska is on September twenty third. Now, there are several
clients who say that he did work for them in
(29:00):
October or November, but we don't have the dates, and
they could be early October and late November, and then
Keys can't be confirmed in Alaska again until December nineteenth.
So for this entire window where Keys is seen all
over metro Albany and across Vermont and northern Massachusetts and
(29:21):
is accounted for by one of Heidi's friends in Maine,
there is not a single transaction, phone record or confirmed
client date placing him anywhere, let alone in Anchorage, Alaska.
(29:42):
Now let's get back to that contra dance. Shana and
Tucker looked extensively at the specific contra dance club that
held dances at Guiding Star Grange, among a few other
facilities across Massachusetts and southern Vermont, and they found that
there was a contra dance held there on August twenty sixth,
(30:03):
the day before Marble went missing, but there was also
one held there on October fourteenth, five days before Nancy
Regy disappeared, twelve miles away, and as this woman said
October two thousand eleven. But additionally, the Buckland Public Hall
(30:31):
and mary Lyon Church, both on the intersection where some
websites placed Nancy's last known location, were also hosts of
contra dances back in October of two thousand eleven, and
both sat next to very heavily forested cemeteries. And then
(30:53):
there's this the interview clip from Keys that takes us
back to my original thoughts on a possible mo or
past or involving returning to the same places to commit
his abductions.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
You remember where he stayed or anything on the trip hotels.
I don't remember the hotels I stayed in and uh
in Massachusetts or New Hampshire, but I remember I do
remember it was the same hotel that I stayed at,
(31:27):
neverdurer trip. Yeah, and that was my initial intention in Vermont,
was to just stay there and get the guns. Check
on the guns because I had buried them in a
(31:51):
in a box that wasn't. I wasn't happy with it
was very water tight, so I wanted to make sure
they they were still okay, do it in a bucket,
dig him up and rebury him in a bucket somewhere
in Maine or whatever. And hadn't really planned on doing
(32:18):
anything in Vermont for sure, but then yeah, that night
that I did the couriers.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That was.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
Originally I was thinking I would go further east, like
Maine or something.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But yeah, despite Tupper Lake in Essex Junction being one
hundred miles apart, Keys stayed in the same hotel in
Essex Junction, Vermont, when he abducted and killed both Deborah
Feldman and the couriers. Doctors Ramslin and Cuncle and Bobby
(33:04):
Chacohone have all discussed the importance of ritual and build
up to Keys. They all agreed he would likely find
ways to return to his crimes and relive them. Cannot
be overemphasized that he stayed in the same hotel for
three of the four murders we can connect him to,
(33:29):
which takes us back to these two disappearances from two
small nearby towns less than two months apart, separated by
a state line. Where there is fairly compelling circumstantial evidence
connecting Keys, and in my opinion, where Keys is the
best suspect. Two cases where local law enforcement have said
(33:54):
they are completely baffled and it's as if each person
vanished into thin alas with no real evidence, which is
almost verbatim with the FBI set in a press release
about Keys. Look for disappearances where the person seems to
have vanished into thin air with no evidence whatsoever. Marble
(34:21):
Arvidson and Nancy Riggi each lived on the edges of
their small river towns. Marble's house surrounded by forests and
fields on two sides, Nancys set back far off the
road and obscured entirely by fir trees. They both reportedly
left their homes to go for a walk and were
(34:42):
never seen again.
Speaker 16 (34:45):
So make married you mind.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You should know better than land it say smithsons to.
You should know better than leads. You're not damn much
like me. You should know me better than letter.
Speaker 16 (35:08):
We have the been me.
Speaker 14 (35:11):
You should know me better than I should leave it alone.
I should leave it alone, and.
Speaker 16 (35:31):
You got it on the wall.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You should know me.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Other Dore's no older ride at all. You should know
me better than can you turn the TV down? You
should know me, Don.
Speaker 17 (35:53):
It's too much tri in myself now.
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Josh Hallmark, with research assistants by Jordan Taylor, Shana Lensky,
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