0618 | Summits, part 2

Josh continues his look into the strange disappearance of Roger Jung. The team analyzes tips, reviews the Keyes timeline, data mines, and gets some help from the Everett Police Department.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is a studio both and production. This is true
crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, and this is

(00:29):
a serialized story of Israel Keys. As we dove deeper
and deeper into Roger Young's disappearance, we felt there were

(00:50):
three both equally likely and unlikely scenarios. Roger had a
climbing accident, Roger died by suicide, or Roger met with
foul play. The biggest problem in trying to understand exactly
what happened, however, was that online descriptions of the scene
and Roger's car didn't match the descriptions included in the

(01:14):
case files. And usually I'd chalk that up to online gossip,
but there were multiple posts on Cascade climbers dot com
and nw hikers dot Net from people who claimed to
have been on the scene in the days leading up
to and following the Shelan County Sheriff's Office's recovery of

(01:35):
Roger's cheap, and all of their accounts were the same.
Roger had both signed into and out of the trail
log on October twenty seventh of two thousand and five,
more than a month after Roger is believed to have
gone missing. Meaning that he hiked the trail, completed the hike,
and signed out, and Roger's climbing gar was in fact

(02:01):
in his car, and the fish in Roger's jeep was
a freshly caught fish and not some pre packaged store
bought fish. As a reminder, the case files we received
had no mention of the trail log and indicated that
Roger's climbing gear was not in the car, only that

(02:23):
fishing gear was, and that all of his climbing gear
was present in his apartment. They also described the fish
as being a packaged trout, which, while slightly ambiguous, points
more to prepackaged than freshly caught fish. Now, these discrepancies
could be a jurisdictional issue. Roger was reported missing with

(02:46):
the Everett Police Department, who handled his investigation, but his
jeep was recovered from Shelan County, so the Shelan County
Sheriff's Office handled the search and rescue and jeep recovery.
We have files from each jurisdiction, and it appears as
though Everett PD never investigated the scene. The final two

(03:07):
documents in the file are from December twenty first of
two thousand and five, six months before his car was recovered,
and then a single page right up chronicling Shelan County
Sheriff's office recovery of his jeep as communicated from the
Sheriff's office to Everett PD. We also received files from
Shelan County Sheriff's Office, just four documents, all chronicling the

(03:31):
search and rescue, but none listing the state of Roger's
jeep or evidence found at the scene. In fact, as
I reported last week, they concluded there was no evidence,
but there's no indication that they looked at the trail
log or even gained access to the jeep, and it
remains unclear how long the jeep was left on the scene,

(03:54):
when and by whom it was searched, and where it
ended up after it was found. What we do know
about Rogers jeep Cherokee is that it had clearly been
parked at the trailhead through most of the winter season.
Multiple reports from climbers and the media indicate it was
buried under a significant amount of snow, so much so

(04:18):
that his car was damaged by it. This was briefly
mentioned in the Everett PD case files, but discussed more
in depth by local media and by the climbers who
found the jeep on June twenty first, the day before
Shalan County Sheriff's Office arrived on the scene. So I
started reaching out to the climbing community to see if
anyone still had photos of the jeep or the trail

(04:40):
log from the Phelps Creek trailhead that day, and I
reached out to both Everett PD and Shalan County Sheriff's
Office to see if they had and were willing to
share evidence logs or more detailed information about the scene
at Phelps Creek. And while we waited to hear back
from anyone, we started trying to make sense of the timeline.

(05:02):
While Roger's neighbor told investigators that he hadn't seen Roger
for about a month before he was reported missing on
October twenty fifth of two thousand and five, the last
known confirmed contact was with ranger Kelly Bush at three
pm on August tenth, when she issued him his citation.
Roger's last known financial transaction was on September twenty first,

(05:23):
at an unnamed ATM, when someone withdrew one hundred dollars
from his checking account. It's unclear if Everett PD pulled
video from this transaction. However, Roger's rent check cleared a
few weeks later on October fourth, as landlord confirmed that,
per usual, Roger had sent the check in about a
week early. So we know Roger disappeared sometime between August

(05:48):
tenth and late September, most likely between September twenty first
and September twenty eighth, which aligns with what his neighbor
told his landlord. But this is where things get murky,
because there doesn't seem to be any indication that Roger
intended on leaving his apartment for a prolonged period of time.
He paid his rent for the following month. He reportedly

(06:11):
left behind his debit card and checkbook and any means
of accessing additional funds while away. He had a refrigerator
full of food, and he didn't leave a climbing note
indicating where he was going climbing and when he expected
to return, something he was known to do regularly. But
the climbing community has made it clear that there was

(06:32):
no way that his jeep had been at the Phelps
trailhead from late September until winter. The trail was used frequently,
particularly by the Cascade climbers who by late October were
on the lookout for any signs of Roger or his jeep. Plus,
there were two very credible sightings of Roger's jeep at
other trails in late October. Furthermore, there were some concerns

(06:58):
about Roger's financial situation that would call into question his plans,
his ability to travel even to and from Phelps Creek,
and his ability to sustain himself for weeks or even
days while on the road. It's unclear how thoroughly Roger's
finances were explored, but neither Everett pd nor Jim Jung

(07:22):
thought that Roger had enough money on him to make
it to the Phelps Creek trailhead and back let alone
to sustain himself for any prolonged period of time. Jim
Jung cited that since Roger's debit card had been left behind,
along with what seemed to be the one hundred dollars
he withdrew from the at M within the days that
he left home, Roger could likely only go half as

(07:44):
far as his gas tank would take him, and if
he truly left in late September and truly arrived himself
at the Phelps Creek trail on October twenty seven, as
the day passed found in his jeep might suggest there
was no way that he could sustain himself on the
road for a whole month with the resources he had
available to him. Now, these concerns, while valid, rely on

(08:09):
a lot of assumptions. Unless Everett PD did a forensic
analysis of Roger's finances over an extended period of time
leading up to his disappearance, we can never know for
sure how much money or cash Roger had on him
when he left his apartment, But if the trail pass
was actually Roger's, it would mean that he would have

(08:31):
needed to get gas somewhere at some point along his journey,
and he'd need to feed himself for a month, both
of which would require money, and both of which would
likely involve a receipt or surveillance video. But this all
begs the most important question, did Roger intend to leave

(08:55):
for just the day as it appears, and if so,
how did his car with an October twenty seven day
pass end up one hundred and twenty miles from his
home over a month later. As I tried to make
sense of what we knew about the states of Roger's
car and apartment. Everett PD finally called me back with

(09:16):
enough information to both clarify some important facts and frustrate
me to no end. I spoke with Detective Sergeant Alan Crocker,
the investigator of record on what is now the Roger
John cold case. I told him that I received Everett

(09:39):
PD's case files via FOYA, but had some clarifying questions
regarding reports from both the media and hikers that didn't
line up with what was in the file. I asked
if it was accurate that Roger had signed in and
then out of the Phelkes Creek Trail log on October
twenty seventh of two thousand and five, as reported by
multiple hikers climbers on various climbing forums. He said that

(10:03):
he had no confirmation that that was accurate. I asked
if the trail pass found in Roger's jeep dated October
twenty seventh was specifically for the Phelps Creek trail. He
said that he didn't recall. He knew it was dated
October twenty seventh, but he thought it was just a
forest pass. I asked whether Roger's climbing gear or any

(10:24):
fishing gear had been found in the jeep. The case
file said that there was fishing gear but no climbing gear,
and the forums said that there was climbing gear but
no fishing gear. He was able to confirm that only
a sleeping bag, a pair of shoes, a fish, and
fishing equipment were found in the jeep. I asked if
the fish was prepackaged and store bought, or something that

(10:47):
had been caught. He said that he was fairly certain
it was a fish that had been caught and then
placed in the jeep. His presumption was that Roger himself
had caught the fish. I asked if Roger's keys e
ad or any cash or credit cards wherever found. He
said that nothing was mentioned in the report, but that
the Shelon County Sheriff's office could answer some of these

(11:09):
questions with a greater certainty. He then specified that they
handled all things related to the recovery of the car
in the search of the area. He then said that
because police believed that they were just investigating a missing hiker,
they likely had no reason to thoroughly search Roger's vehicle
or look for anything other than Roger himself. So then

(11:30):
I asked if they ever suspected or were ever able
to rule out foul play. He said that they didn't
suspect foul play, that when a hiker goes out into
the wilderness alone, the most logical explanation is a climbing
or hiking accident. He then opined, almost to himself, that
it was entirely possible that Roger could have encountered someone

(11:50):
on the trail. I couldn't help but think of all
the potential keys encounters in the case files that involved
lone fishermen being approached and questioned by keys out in
the woods, or the many times keys talked about lone
people out in the woods being the most ideal victims.
And while I agree with Sergeant Crocker that the obvious

(12:13):
answer is usually the most likely answer, that Roger had
a climbing accident, I was hung up on two things
that made no sense to me, the fish and the
climbing gear. For me, the fish indicates that Roger would
not have strayed far from his jeep if he was

(12:33):
the one to catch the trout and then put it
inside the jeep. There was no cooler or ice chest
to speak of, so it seems unlikely to me that
Roger would catch a fish, wrap it in paper, put
it inside his jeep, and then go for a climb. Additionally,
the lack of materials to do anything with the fish
is odd. If he'd planned to go out for an

(12:55):
extended period of time to camp and live off the land,
wouldn't he have packed an ice chest, cooking materials, et cetera,
hell even a duffel bag or toilet trees, But none
of that was reportedly found in his jeep or in
the area, and by all accounts, all of his climbing
gear and toilet trees were in his apartment. Now, maybe

(13:19):
I'm being pedantic, and trust me, I've interrogated myself fairly
exhaustively on that, but none of this makes sense to me.
It seems to me that if it was in fact
Roger at Phelps Creek on October twenty seventh, he caught
the fish, put it and his fishing gear back in
the jeep, and then something pretty quickly happened thereafter, or

(13:42):
that someone else entirely put the fish in the jeep.
So before we start really considering whether Roger was met
with foul play, I think it's important to stress the
least likely scenario. If Roger had in fact signed in
and out at Phelps Creek Trail on the twenty seventh,

(14:04):
which Hiking Networks claim, but the police seemed to refute.
I don't think it was anyone other than Roger who
was doing that at any other time than October twenty seventh.
I don't see even the smartest, most meticulous serial killers
driving Roger and his jeep all the way up there
to forge a log in on a trail. But if

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it was just a forest pass for the twenty seventh
and no trail sign in, I think we need to
be open to the idea that someone else could have
put Roger's jeep at that trailhead Second, I want to
make it clear that I am absolutely stumped on this,
even more so now as I'm riding the episode, because
for me, nothing works and everything works with equal feasibility.

(14:51):
Let's start with Keyesa's timeline and life at the time
that Roger went missing, because that's exactly what led me
and the team to Roger over and over and over
again over the past six years. In the months leading
up to Roger's disappearance, there was significant ferry activity on

(15:11):
the Keys timeline, specifically the ferry going into the Edmunds
Everett area. Now, since my original reporting on this, some
doubt has been cast on whether this was Keys or
Kimberly taking ferries back and forth to the Peninsula. The
FBI's timeline is color coded, and they highlighted most of
Kimberly's travel and activity and left most of Keyes's travel

(15:34):
and activity white. And these ferry trips back and forth,
along with several motel stays in and around Everett, they're
all white, but they also include name redactions, and the
FBI didn't redact Keys's name from anything obviously. We do know, though,
that Keys was in the Seattle area multiple times surrounding

(15:56):
Roger's disappearance. Around the time Roger was last seen, Keys
flew from Seattle through lax to Belize on October third,
He returned through Seattle on either October eleventh or twelfth,
and on October twenty eighth, the day after the date
on the forest pass found in Rogers Jeep, either Keys

(16:17):
or Kimberly were back in Seattle for what's listed as
WSCIC on the FBI timeline. The listing includes an eleven
dollars receipt. As best I can find. WSCIC is the
Washington State Crime Information Center and according to Google, the
Washington State Crime Information Center is located in the Washington

(16:40):
State Patrols Records Division, and it's responsible for coordinating crime
information for law enforcement agencies in the state. The center
provides access to a number of resources, including the National
Crime Information Center, motor vehicle and driver's license information, the
Sex Offender Central Registry, and other public read records relevant

(17:00):
to law enforcement. The notation on the timeline indicates that
this activity regarding the WSCIC occurred from seven thirty eight
pm until five seventeen PM, so overnight. This agency seems
to handle background checks, identity theft, the Sex Offender Registry,
and essentially all public records that need to be accessed

(17:23):
by law enforcement. But as of now, that's the best
I can find for this notation. I've looked into conferences
in the area. I've looked into parking garages in the area.
I've looked into every possible version of what WSCIC could mean,
and this is the best we've got. I'm hoping to
gain clarity from Agent Holla and finally, Keys was at

(17:49):
a Christmas party in Kirkland, Washington on December twenty third.
Beyond what's on the timeline, we have the Everett Community
College encounter where a man matching keys Jesus description named
Israel approached a student while she was smoking at night
on campus that occurred sometime around spring of two thousand
and six, and another sighting that what I've been told

(18:13):
the FBI believes to be credible, an encounter in late
two thousand and five or early two thousand and six
where Keys approached a man who was camping alone at
the south fork of the Hoe River in Olympic National Park.
He said. The man, who was driving an older junkie
light colored car, possibly a dots In or Teota, introduced
himself as Israel. The man told Israel that he was

(18:35):
there to fish, and because Israel made him uneasy, he
lied and said that he had more friends who were
on their way to meet him there. Israel claimed to
be camping alone, but he had no camping gear or food,
so the man offered him some barbecue pork and the
two ended up sharing beers and talking. Israel told him
that he was waiting for the ski slopes to open

(18:55):
so he could work, and they talked about steelhead fishing
Israel mentioned having two dogs. After eating and talking well
into the night, the man said good night, went to
his tent, and went to bed. In the morning, he
found a note wishing him luck on his fishing trip.
As you may recall, according to a woman Keys dated

(19:17):
from two thousand and four to two thousand and five,
Keys drove an older white Pontiac grand Am Sadam while
they were dating. By chance, she saw him driving it
once and when she asked him about it, he said
that it was a car he owned just for traveling.
So we have two credible sightings around the same time
of Roger's disappearance, one at a community college two miles

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from where Roger lived on the east side of the
Sound in an area where either Keys or Kimberly were
traveling via ferry almost daily, and one where Keys is
allegedly approaching a solo male camper in a remote and
isolated campground and asking him about fishing. It's also around
this time that Keyes got his bayliner boat up and

(20:02):
running and told the FBI that he abducted a male
female couple near Ellensburg, Washington Well. The Phelps Creek Trail
is due north of Ellensburg, in the area where Art
and his wife believed they encountered Roger and his red
jeep Cherokee on October twenty seventh, the same day as
the forest passed found in Roger's jeep. It's just fifty
miles northwest of Ellensburg, and that takes us back to

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those two credible sightings of Roger and or his jeep.
In the days leading up to October twenty seventh. As
you'll recall, there were two sightings of Roger that Everett
pe D felt were credible. The first occurred on October

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twenty seventh in Gold Creek, near the Hiak Ski Resort
at Snoqualmie Pass on Fire Service Road forty nine forty eight.
A man named Art and his wife were riding their
motorcycle near the top of the road and stopped at
the turnaround area where they saw a red jeep Cherokee
traveling toward them. A short time later, the jeep pulled

(21:09):
up and stopped next to them on their motorcycles. The
driver was the only person visible in the car. He
was in his late twenties or early thirties, had glasses
and brown hair and warabool hat. He said the driver
made eye contact with them, but never got out of
the jeep nor spoke to them. He recognized the man

(21:29):
in the jeep as Roger Jung. Art later contacted Roger's father, Jim,
and Jim went to the area of the sighting and
was confident that it couldn't have been Roger driving the
jeep because it wasn't an area Roger would hike or frequent.
The second sighting was a few days later. On October thirtieth,
three days after the date of the forest pass, a

(21:52):
woman named Sharon notified law enforcement that she and her
fiance saw Young's jeep Cherokee while hiking a trail near
laked Off Highway to east of Gold Bar in Washington.
Let's start with that forest pass. A forest pass would
be required to park and hike in all three of

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these areas Phelps Creek, Gold Creek, and Lake Dorothy, and
I can attest I have gotten ticketed for not having
a forest pass while river floating, not far from where
Art and his wife believed that they saw Roger. Unfortunately,
Art didn't mention what time his encounter occurred. I've since
reached out to him and his wife, but have yet

(22:34):
to hear back. But it should be noted that it's
a three and a half hour drive from where their
sighting occurred to where Roger's jeep was found. To me,
that means if this was Roger, and it was Roger
at Phelps Creek on the twenty seventh, it greatly reduces
the amount of time something could have gone wrong at

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Phelps Creek. It seems highly unlikely that any skilled hiker
or climber, especially one as responsible as Roger was known
to be, would begin a hike or a climb in
an uncharted area past three PM in the Washington State
autumn where the sun sets at a round five point thirty.

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So that begs two questions. Maybe it wasn't Roger or
his jeep that they saw, and maybe it was Roger's
jeep but not Roger. I can't accurately speak on the
likelihood that there were two men who matched Roger's description

(23:39):
driving red older jeep Cherokees in the Washington State wilderness
at the same time, but I would venture to say
those odds are pretty low. What I can say is
that Keys could be described by a passer by identically
to how Art described Roger. Additionally, they were both exceptionally tall,

(24:02):
so could it be possible that Art and his wife
saw keys driving Roger's car. What stands out to us
about this particular area is that it's less than a
mile from where Gregory Seaman's Brown disappeared on July fifth,
two thousand and five, less than three months before Roger
is believed to have gone missing. Additionally, some media reports

(24:26):
suggest that it was believed Roger was going to hike
the Enchantments when he went missing. Now there's no reference
to this in the case files, but the Wenatchy World
newspaper cites that Shelon County Sheriff Mike Harram said that
his office had received information that Roger might have gone
hiking and climbing in the Enchantment Lakes area. While the
trailhead that leads to the Enchantment Lakes Fourth Creek Trail

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number twelve eighteen, it's six miles as the crow flies
from where Art believes he encountered Roger and his jeep.
Interesting is the Lake Dorothy siding is in this same
general area. Sort of, it's about six miles from Art's encounter,
but only as the crow flies or you know, the

(25:12):
hiker hikes. To drive from the first siding to the
second takes about two and a half hours, and Lake
Dorothy is located about three hours from where Rogers jeep
was eventually discovered. And again, it's impossible to state the
probability that there were two older model Red Jeep Cherokees
in these woods at the same time, but to me,

(25:35):
it seems very likely that both sidings were of at
minimum Rogers Jeep, which could mean that the day pass
was from the day of Art's encounter. The jeep was
then driven to and left at Lake Dorothy for at
least six hours on the thirtieth, and then deposited at
Phelps Creek sometime thereafter with the forest pass still in

(25:58):
the car, and that could explain why no one saw
Roger's jeep at Phelps Creek before the area became inaccessible.
On October thirty, first, the first winter snow came through
the area and shut down much of the roads many
for the remainder of the season, meaning the jeep could
have been strategically placed just before the storm in an

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area where it likely wouldn't be found for months. Maybe
someone who looked like Roger was looking for a good
place to abandon his jeep, and so I started going
through the rest of the standard keys protocols. Timeline name
is forty five location matching data mining. As we discussed,

(26:43):
the timeline is murky but doesn't rule keys out. The
closest potential name is forty five. Matches we have are
Tony Luzio and Christina Cole Hamilton, who disappeared from Delaware County,
Ohio on July fourth of two thousand five and from
Moreno Valley, California, on July seventh of two thousand and five, respectively.

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And then there's Trenton Duquette who disappeared from Leesburg, Florida
on August twenty seventh, but of two thousand and six.
And then Rupinder Goria, Julik Rainwalker, and Justin Glenn Gaines
who disappeared from Florida, New York, and Georgia on October two,
November one, and November tewod of two thousand and seven, respectively.

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In terms of the locations, there's nothing specifically ever placing
keys in or around Phelps Creek Trail, but Gold Creek
and Lake Dorothy are both in areas Keys was known
to drive through or frequent. We ran Roger's known email
address through a data breach software and found nothing. And

(27:49):
then I checked out Google Trends, which was interesting. Now
I want to make it clear that using Google Trends
is tenuous, especially for laypersons like you know me. The
results seem to be highly sensitive to the search parameters.
For example, if you do a search for Roger Jung
from September two thousand and five to June two thousand

(28:11):
and six, the results will be wildly different than if
you do a search for Roger Jung from two thousand
and four to twenty twelve. This is because the surges
are measured against other searches done within that timeframe. So
in a period where more people are searching for Roger Jung,
like the year surrounding his disappearance and the recovery of
his jeep, it would require significantly more Google searches to

(28:35):
create a surge in that period. So if there are
an average of twenty searches per day, it might require
up to one hundred searches in a single day to
create a surge. Conversely, in a broader surge, say two
thousand and four to twenty twelve, most days no one
will be searching for Roger Jung. So it may only

(28:57):
take a few searches or maybe even a single search
on a given day to create a surge. And if
someone knows more on this than I do, please reach out.
But this is all to say that what I'm about
to share with you is compelling but not science, and
it's something I very barely understand in a too long,
didn't read version of Google Trends for dummies kind of way.

(29:20):
The first search I did was March two thousand and
seven through March twenty twelve, Keys's time in Alaska until
his arrest. Nationally, there were two spikes, the week of
December fifth of twenty ten and the week of March
thirteenth of twenty eleven, but there were five states highlighted

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as having high activity during this overall timeframe. Washington on
the weeks of July fourth, twenty ten and August twenty fourth,
two thousand and eight. California on the weeks of July
twenty second, two thousand and seven, September twenty second nine,
and May twenty ninth, twenty eleven. Texas, which did not

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have enough data to provide when or where the state
surges occurred, same with Illinois and in Massachusetts the week
of May twentieth, two thousand seven. Interestingly, all five states
or states keys is known to frequent and believed to
or known to have committed crimes. Out of curiosity, I

(30:27):
clicked on Alaska and found that there were three surges
the weeks of September two, two thousand seven, April twentieth,
two thousand eight, and March twenty first, twenty ten. So
then I reviewed those surges against Keysa's known travels and
whereabouts and found a few matches. The Washington surge on

(30:50):
the week of July fourth, twenty ten aligned with keysas travel.
Keyes was in western Washington on July seventh and July ninth.
For the surge in Alaska on the week of September second,
two thousand and seven, Keyes was only there on September second,
who flew out to Wyoming that day and returned on

(31:11):
the ninth. And for the week of April twentieth, two
thousand and eight in Alaska, Keyes was there. Additionally, the
week of March twenty first, twenty ten, in Alaska, Keyes
was there the entire week, and interestingly, Kimberly was working
in Utah on the twenty first. Those were the highlights

(31:35):
from that search, and I could walk you through every
search we did and all of the results, but that
would make for a very boring, very long episode. But
there were a few other very interesting matches. There was
a surge on the week of January fourteenth of two
thousand and seven in Washington while Keyes was there. There

(31:57):
was a surgeon Anchorage on the week of August twenty ninth,
twenty ten, while Keys was there and Kimberly was away.
There was a surge in Alaska on the week of
August tenth, two thousand and eight, while Keys was there.
There was a surge in southern California on the week
of September sixteenth of two thousand and eight while Keys

(32:19):
was there. And why these stand out is because Roger's
case got very little local attention and no national attention.
As far as I can find, his name was only
ever in any newspapers once, and there have only been
three local news pieces on his disappearance. For his name

(32:41):
to surge in Alaska and California at random times while
Keys is there is notable. We remain hopeful that the
Cascade Climber's Salon County Sheriff's office and Art or his
wife will get back to us so we can develop
a better sense of when Roger actually went missing, where

(33:03):
Roger actually ended up, and what exactly happened to him.
We'll be back next week with the season finale.

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Life's Moving Faster, He's sojestic game we play have Losing
Myself a nursing way.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And this dastill have you. I've played all my college.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
And I'm hold out of love, put my money.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
In the chap, but I guess it's falling through.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Have this dashtim having Randy, oh my life father, Searching
further right?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Way to keep my head of button house, to keep
myself from looking down.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's hardly.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
To leave our days in happiness and worry about it.
How it's last, it's high day.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
To be. I'm just taking my time, just taking my
time here.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm just taking my time, just taking my time.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Dear, I won't leave you behind, won't leave you high, Dear.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I won't leave you behind, won't let you behind here.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I'm just taking my time, just taking my time here.
I won't leave it behind, won't leave you behind, dear.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
H s B New day, Oh.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Fad, search your further out? A way to keep my
head on back path, to keep myself from looking down
this henday thing, to leave my days and happiness to
worry about what having snacks This Honday is thy so.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
This Honday.

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To read

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