0708 | In Eastern Washington - True Crime Bullsh**

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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It's impossible to deep dive Hunters Washington and its importance
to keys and as crimes without further exploring the keys family,
the Christian Identity movement, and Keys's childhood girlfriend Annie. Let's
begin with the Christian identity movement as a whole and
how and when the Keys family became involved. You may

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recall all the way back in season one, Episode five,
I briefly examined some of the tenets of the Christian
identity and the two Callville churches that the Keys family
were members of during their time there, the Ark and
the Christian Israel Covenant Church. In this episode, will be
taking a look at the histories of these churches and
their contemporaries and how multiple factions of the same teachings

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coalesced in Stephens County, Washington, and shaped how the Keys
family came to be, who they were and where they were.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Christian identity
principles started to become a more widespread movement around the
early nineteen fifties when klu Kluck's clan organizer Wesley Smith

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founded the Church of Jesus Christ Christian in Lancaster, California.
The church was founded largely in response to the Civil
Rights era. According to the Anti Defamation League, they believe
that whites of European descent can be traced back to
the Lost Tribes of Israel. Many consider Jews to be
the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non

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whites are mud peoples created before Adam and Eve. Almost immediately,
the Church of Jesus Christ Christian had ties to racially
motivated terrorism. In the nineteen sixties, Wesley Smith's right hand man,
William Potter Gale, recruited Aryan Nations founder Richard Gurrant Butler,

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and Gale was suspected to have been involved in multiple
bombings of African American churches in Alabama. By the nineteen seventies.
The church inspired other religious leaders to preach its abhorrent beliefs,
including street minister Peter Peters. In addition to racism and
anti Semitism, Peters believed gay people should be exterminated. He

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took those beliefs and his Church of Jesus Christ Christian
tenets to the Laporte Church of Christ in Colorado, where
he became pastor in nineteen seventy seven. In short order,
that church transitioned from a more traditional Christian ministry to
one of Christian identity, and despite losing the majority of
its parishioners. Peters rebuilt Peter's worked to build the congregation

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by hosting a radio show largely airing in rural areas
of Texas, California, Nebraska, New Mexico, and Utah and touring
with road shows. And those road shows would take him
to Torrance, California, where both Heidi and Jeff Keys and Ray,
eventual owner of the Hunter's Farmhouse, were living at the time.

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Due to his extensive background in schooling and farming, agriculture
and agroeconomics, Peters used the farm crisis of the nineteen
eighties to reach vulnerable farmers and rural workers who were
seeking both leadership and advocacy, and so by supporting a
vulnerable and terrified population, he was able to manipulate and

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eventually utilize them to spread his ministry of hate. Peters
toured specifically southern California, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, and eventually Washington.
And while this may seem like a history lesson in
fucked up Christianity, I promise this is all going to
converge in some very familiar places. While Pete Peters was

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spreading hate up and down the West Coast, former Baptist
and excommunicated Mormon art Bullah was self appointing himself a
leader of the fundamentalist Mormons in northwest Utah, the religion
that Israel Keys was born into. Some of Bullah's more
controversial beliefs included plural marriage, that Adam of Adam and

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Eve was actually a reincarnated deity with multiple wives, that
black people could never comprehend nor preach the spiritual truths
of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and that he himself
was a prophet of God. Like Peters, Bullah was also
devoutly homophobic. Bulla's sister Anne would marry a man named

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Barry Byrd around this time, and together they founded the
Marble Fellowship Community Church in the ghost town of Marble, Washington,
the town immediately north of Calville. The Marble Scripture was
largely inspired by and interpreted from, that of Pete Peters
and Christian Identity. In fact, Peters frequently spoke at the church.

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In nineteen eighty eight, Peters, Bird and Brad Bullaugh, Art
an Anne's older brother, banded together and wrote The Remnant Resolves,
the Christian Identity manifesto later used by Clive and Amen
and Ryan Bundy. In the Bundyville Saga. I highly recommend
the Oregon Public Broadcasting podcast called Bundyville The Remnant to

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learn more about them. Clive and Bundy identified as both
a sovereign citizen and a member of the Church of
Latter day Saints aka Mormonism. As it relates to all
of this, the Bundies are well known for their confrontation
with the BLM, that's the Bureau of Land Management, which
led to an armed stone and off. So whether you're

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with Black Lives Matter or the Bureau of Land Management,
these people hate you. And then of course there's the Ark,
the church the Keys family and the Keyhole family were
part of while living in Callville. The Ark, too, was
based on Christian identity in the ministries of Pete Peters,
who also occasionally spoke at the Ark. Pete Peters would

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go on to be involved in the stand off at
Ruby Ridge and lead the subsequent Rocky Mountain Rendezvous in
Estes Park, Colorado. He also had ties to Timothy McVeigh
and Terry Nichols, and look, I could do a whole
seven season podcast on just all of this, but for

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the sake of Israel, Keys and Hunters Washington that all
boils down to the basic tenants spread across these groups,
their practiced and alleged terrorism, their dispute with land management
and the federal government, their targeted hatred, and their various followers,
who all seemed to coalesce in Stephens County, Washington, where Hunters, Marble,

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and Calville are right around the same time. All this
is to say, both the Keys family and the Hunter's
farm house were surrounded by folks who held themselves separate
from and often above the law. They were anti government,
and they were prone to take to both terrorism and
violence to stand their ground and enforce their ideas. In

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many of these Eastern Washington hate groups we found tended
to be quite incestuous figuratively not literally, As best we
can tell. Here's how these organizations connect to the people
in Israel Keys and his family's lives. Listeners will best
know Pete Peters as both the man who presided over

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Israel's childhood girlfriend Annie's mother's marriage, but he also wrote
the booklet found in the Constable cabin titled Death Penalty
for Homosexuals is prescribed in the Bible, likely one of
Heidi's souvenirs from her inspired time in Callville. Chevy and
Shane Keyhoe attended the Ark prior to moving on to terrorism, bombings,

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bank robberies and murder, and Heidi keys moved to Richmond,
Utah to become a fundamentalist Mormon, before leaving the world
of art Bulah for his sister's teachings at the Marble
and then the Ark. As I mentioned in episode five
of this season, the oldest Key's child married into a

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Christian identity family and Hunters, a family who were friends
with the owner of the Hunter's farmhouse and remain friends
with Heidi Keys. Keyes's sister's brother in law also had
a daughter who married into a family with strong ties
to both the key Hoose and Annie's family. In fact,
Annie now lives in their old home in Missouri. More

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Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like guns were a big always a big hobby.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Finding explosives and stuff so explosive? Did you make bombs?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Nothing too exciting?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
But yeah, I mean I would tinker around.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'm mostly just designing stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
I never say where.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Do you go to blow that up?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Then we'll do that in the backyard. Lots of places
in the.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Bay they go out to the valley again. Yeah, no, I.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Got I gave all, like.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Most of my bomb making stuff away far.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Is it black powder based stuff or did you get.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Into it now or less?

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Mostly black powder?

Speaker 6 (12:47):
Uh? And when you messed around with that stuff was
it were you using it in conjunction with some type
of crime or were you just sometimes.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
But not usually?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I I discovered power tools, uh huh, effective and explosives.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
And a lot quieter.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Were you preaching with explosives?

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
A couple times I was.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I started doing that.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
When I was.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I was like fourteen.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
The first I'd ever really blew a first time I
blew a lock with a pipe bomb when I was.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
About fourteen, like to put a shad or garage or
something that was a.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
It was a four service gate orything like.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
So this is when you were out in Coalville, and
that's where you would have been living at the time, right,
was it hard not to get caught doing that stuff?
Given and you didn't have any transportation to get away?
I mean, were you must have been doing it in nearby?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I had a motorcycle. Oh okay, I had a couple
of motorcycles. Now that I was the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Before I got my motorcycle, I would just be walking
around in the woods.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I would hike for miles.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I knew, I agreed every.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Inch of that area.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
It was in Calville where Keys and the Keeho brothers,
who were as close of friends as Israel could be
with anyone per Scott, began experimenting with pipe bombs, and,
as Scott described, Keys would use them to explode bucket
sized craters into the ground and open force service gates,
which Keys confessed to doing at least once in the

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commission of a crime, and you'll recall there were pipe
bomb making supplies found at his constable cabin. In addition
to this, you may also recall that Keys was listed
as a terrorist, which could be in relation to a
series of bombings in Moses Lake, just three hours south
of Calville, where Tammy's son James's father lived in August

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two thousand eight. Both bombs were pipe bombs, one of
which was attached to a police scanner. Two Moses Lake
area men died in the bombings, William Walker, an auto
shop owner, and Javier A Dame, who police described as
being linked to local drug trade. Local investigators couldn't connect

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the two men, who each found the bombs on their
respective doorsteps. Keys can't be placed anywhere on August second
or third, when the bombings took place. We've been looking
into possible connections between these bombings and Keys or any
of his known associates from Calville for several years now,

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and were continuing that investigation. But it's impossible not to
at least bring it up when discussing Keys's history with
pipe bombs, specifically in eastern Washington. Also knowing that in
many ways Keys followed in the Keyhoe brothers footsteps, bank robberies, bombings, murders.

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The Keyhoe Brothers also ended up in Arkansas, which we'll
get into in just a few minutes. But all of
this is to say that despite what Keys told the FBI,
he did have ties and maintained those ties with people
in eastern Washington, and the Hunter's Farmhouse would be the

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perfect place for Keys to commit a crime during its
period of vacancy. Its located and an incredibly isolated area
and had been owned by anti government standard ground followers
of Christian identity who had animosity toward the Bureau of
Land Management who owned the adjacent lands. If the BLM

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or FBI overplayed their hand there, there would almost certainly
be a standoff. The farmhouse was completely surrounded by federal
and tribal land. Because Kisa's sister lived in the area,
it was a place he could return to over and
over again without suspicion, and the former and current owners
as of two thousand and five, were at minimum acquaintances

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with the Keys extended family. And then there's the weird
timing and Annie. The FBI believe and I agree, that
Keys committed some crime, likely a murder, on this property
on April second of two thousand and five, Annie's first
wedding anniversary. As I mentioned earlier, Annie would eventually leave

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the area for Missouri, where she moved into a home
owned by several of the key Hose and Keys's former associates.
That home is just eighty miles north of where Name
Is forty five. Missing person Kara Kopetski, disappeared in two
thousand and seven, a case that has since been solved
and has no ties to Keys. For more information on
Kara's case, check out Our Name Is forty five episode

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about it. In fact, Annie lived just off Route seventy one,
where there are multiple sightings of Keys in Missouri and
Arkansas between two thousand and five and two thousand and seven.
The other Missouri Name Is forty five case is that
of Bianca Noel Piper, who disappeared on March tenth of
two thousand and five, not far from Saint Louis on

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the other side of the state. Again, we don't suspect
Keys and Bianca's disappearance. However, all of Keyes's activity known
and suspected in Missouri occurs between two thousand and five
and two thousand and seven. Annie moved there in late
two thousand and four. I've reached out to Annie and
have not heard back as of this recording.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Computers.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
You mentioned when computers first cannot start doing searches and
looked just wanted to see what was up with the
military guys. When you would have talked before with us
about there were a couple times that you would go
on your computer and do a search just to see
if a body even found or I don't know, arsenal bank,
rubber or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
When you were doing it, how would you.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
How would you do that?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I mean, did you know names of everybody?

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Or would you do just no search a town, or
how would you do it?

Speaker 6 (19:18):
I was with the.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Exception of the computer that you guys got, I generally
wouldn't do it on the home computers. I had another
computer that I did use for a while, but for
the most part it was a computer that I was
planning on having around for a while. I would never
do searches on it. Searches I did do were usually

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pretty generic. I would type in an area or a
newspaper of an area and type in a keyword. I
would never type in a specific.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Name, the name of the news paper from the area,
like if.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I would do right, So, yeah, I would do a
search of news from an area I guess, and then
pull up either a newspaper or news channel online news,
type in a key word of something, and just scroll
down the different stories so I found them when I

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was looking for.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
If I was doing it from an.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Anonymous computer like an airport or a library or something
that I would do, I would just type in what
I wanted.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Right away, bring it up.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Did you know the names? Did you remember the names
of most of the people?

Speaker 8 (20:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, yeah, on the major things.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
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did Keys do in April of two thousand and five
in Hunters, Washington, Well, if you agree with the FBI,
he likely abducted and murdered the male female Washington couple.
Keys told the FBI that this specific double murder occurred
between his release from the army and the summer of
two thousand and one and his purchase of the boat

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on or around April ninth of two thousand and five,
one week after his time in Eastern Washington and Annie's
wedding anniversary. And there are some very good reasons to
suspect that's when the double murder did occur. Keyes liked
to play with semantics, and it's literally right before he
bought the boat. But when pressed, Halla told me they

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believed this was the time and place of the double murder,
mostly because it matched the landscape that Keys wrote about
in his letter to his brothers. Detailing that murder. Specifically,
he mentioned pine needles on the ground, a valley below,
and hearing passing cars. But here's the thing, that could

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also be most of Oregon, most of Idaho, most of
the states surrounding Washington. Because Keys's conversations around the male
female couple and Ellensburg and Eastern Washington are entirely separate.
He never indicates that those two events are one and
the same.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
So the thing about Washington's little a little simpler from
his perspective. There's only two federal districts there, Eastern and Western.
So Eastern is more like the Goma Yakima. Western is Seattle, right,
and that's good enough line. It's like it's Spokan and
then there's Seattle to Goma. It's in the Western, right.

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And I think he'd like to be in a position
to sort of just chat very briefly with one of
those criminal chiefs, if not both, if he needs to
to sort of lay the foundation.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Well, the problem I was talking about anything related to Washington.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Is not playing ball with the right people, because those
I'm almost positive are not going to be federal case.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
They're not federal ca Well, why do you think that
I think Kevin explains you like different stuff that Okay, well,
I mean, I think Kevin explained to you that the
jurisdictions that we can exercise is pretty expansive, especially if
it's part of right. I understand that.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
But again, we're this is gonna be hard to talk
about without getting into stuff we're not supposed to talk about.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
But uh, depending on things, you know, the way things
pan out, you know, the things we've.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Already talked about, then I may need those details of.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
The Washington case.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Is that.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
That I would be better served to wait, you know,
to if that's where the route.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
I have to go.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean, if you know what I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think I do it.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
I'm not sure, and I know we talked a little
bit about it because yeah, because there's a big difference
between state and federal it seems and it seems like
Washington might be a state that.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
But that's something that we can sort of it's not
working on in the background, just so you know, I mean,
I'm not asking you you know here and now today,
but that's something that usually does require cooperation between even
the federal districts, even if there's state things.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
So you're saying there's two dicks. I'm sorry to districts
and federal districts.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, so there's two federal districts that we probably just
sort of broached with it. One and in Spokane and
Yakima are the main offices in the one, and then
Seattle and Tacoma or the Western district. So that's just
the dividing line. I don't know exactly where it is,
but pretty much, you know, Seattle and Tacoma is where

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most of the crimes are everything.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Like, yeah, I think that's that's Ellensburg is h Ellensburg
is wester.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Ellensburg sort of outside of Yack.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
You're gonna need both districts.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
When you look at missing pairs on or around the
weekend Keys was in both Hunters and Ellensburg. There are
none and we'll get more into this in the next
few episodes, but we've come to accept that Keys's use
of the term couple doesn't necessarily mean two people who
knew each other. Keys could have created a couple out

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of two strangers. And this idea didn't come out of nowhere.
It actually came out of our favorite piece of reading material, Intensity.
In Intensity, serial Killer, Edgeler Vess brings together two victims
to maximize fear. So if the male female couple was
that weekend or any weekend surrounding it, and it was

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in eastern Washington, it would almost certainly have to be
a created couple. But even that, we haven't been able
to find two people who disappeared from Washington or a
surrounding state within twenty four hours of one another over
the weekend of April second, two thousand and five, or

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any weekend within six months surrounding that date. The closest
we've come are Zachary Weston and Sally Joe Stromberg, who
are both marked as missing as of August twelfth, two
thousand and five, four months after the Hunter's weekend, and
despite the timing discrepancy, this was a lead we were

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taking very seriously until Sally Joe's file showed up and
two things became very clear. One, she had been seen
by several people, including her own daughter, well after August twelfth,
and two there were two very good suspects in her disappearance.

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So where does this all leave us? In my opinion,
there was a victim in eastern Washington over the weekend
of April second, two thousand and five, but that victim
was very unlikely the male female couple, and I do
believe there is importance to that date in relation to
Keys's ex fiancee Annie. Also, the male female couple aren't

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necessarily from Washington State. They could be anywhere from High
Desert or Pine Needle Country. And that brings us back
to Cami and Eugene, but not only Cami and Eugene.
And then, of course, one last enduring question for now,

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what the hell happened in Hunter's Washington on April second
of two thousand and five?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Is it right?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
My love as a ride? Are you happy?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Inside your eyes?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Can't you see.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Your lover fall apart in her silk threads?

Speaker 5 (30:22):
In time, the Hunter will fly.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
The trail of blood a see you.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Lord night, when William.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Turned will say.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Fum, true crime bullshit is off next week. We'll be
back on December first. This episode was written, research, edited,
and produced by Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Jordan
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episode included music by the Blue Bay Aves, Signals, Flint
and The Greatest Offering with featured music by Joan as Policewoman.

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The conferen of the men.

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Uponon notch.

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No, I'm not crying you your mom, you like, become

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a pod of let man become a pod of.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
It, to.

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Go a.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Long, long, long long.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
To come.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I then.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Go long, long, belong.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
I alone.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I don't w.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Hello, Hello, love.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Lo lo lo, happen nothing.

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