Unsafe Spaces Season 2 Premiere: 25 MEN

In the second season premiere, Josh digs into two years of research into the lives and crimes of Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, in hopes of identifying other victims. A list of 25 missing and murdered men, across multiple jursidctions, launches a deep-dive investigation that examines the lives of these 25 men, Lorenzo & Schweickert, other area serial killers, intersectionality, homophobia, politics, and more. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark 

Featuring: 
Albert Perkins 

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• CharleyProject.org
• The Tampa Bay Times  
• The Tampa Tribune  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone. Next week we'll be back with some all
new Keys Bonus content, But today I want to share
with you the first episode of season two of Unsafe Spaces.
Unsaved Spaces is a long form investigation, much like true
crime bullshit, into two gay serial rapists, convicted murderers, and

(00:21):
serial killers, and the premiere of season two. You can
get caught up on most of season one while diving
deep into our investigation to identify the missing victims of
Stephen Lorenzo and Scott Schweikert, two gay men in the
BDSM scene in Tampa who were targeting gay and straight
men alike between the ages of twenty and forty. The
thing is, we believe their crimes stretched far beyond the

(00:43):
jurisdictions of Tampa and even the state of Florida, And
just like in true crime bullshit, we'll be using data mining,
mapping technology, boots on the ground, and private investigators so
we can do the work that seems to have been
left on the cold case department floor. We'll also examine
how culture, media, politics, police, and even other serial killers

(01:04):
impacted these crimes and their investigations. Check out the season
two premiere now, then subscribe to unsafe spaces wherever you're
listening to podcasts. I guess what I would ask is,
what would you hope from the rest of this investigation
or podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That if there is potentially that they feel like he's
connected to more, that they would choose their resources, all
their resources, and investigate this case thoroughly before they put him,
before he is gets under, before he gets executed, and
that information dies with him.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
In December of twenty twenty two, nineteen years after Jason
Galehaus and Michael Wacholtz disappeared, Stephen Lorenzo was finally found
guilty of their murders. This was six years after Scott
Schweikert took a plete deal and was sentenced to life
in prison for his involvement in their abductions, torture, and

(02:02):
eventual deaths, and on February twenty fourth of twenty twenty three,
almost twenty years after their murders, Stephen Lorenzo was sentenced
to death. In the two years since the studio, Both
and Team has researched and then continued to research the

(02:24):
lives and crimes of Stephen Lorenzo and Scott Schweikert and how, where, when,
and with whom their lives and crimes may have intersected.
Because one thing has been made abundantly clear through our
research and our initial reporting on this case, with additional
allegations and individual histories of violence against men going as

(02:45):
far back as at least nineteen eighty eight, the crimes
that these two men are sitting in prison for were
just the tip of the iceberg, because beyond those additional allegations,
there were threats of violence against me that they encountered
online and in gay bars men they allegedly drugged and
took home. And there were rather convictions assault, battery, drug trafficking,

(03:11):
false imprisonment. The most notable to our team was that
Lorenzo and or Schweikert had lived in at least three
different places at the exact times where gay men were
disappearing at a significant rate, in those areas Central Florida, Georgia,
and in the upper Midwest along the I eighty corridor. So,

(03:35):
with some urging from Albert Perkins, a surviving victim of
Stephen Lorenzo, we decided to continue our investigation and reporting.
We decided to look into other potential crimes committed by
Lorenzo or Schweikert, or both of them together. I hired
a private investigator. We met with local law enforcement. We

(03:57):
traveled to Tampa. We filed a dozen or so more
Foyer requests. We built a robust timeline. We combed through
the Tampa Pedee and federal court files. We examined both
exhibit and search and seizure lists. We chronicled every single
screen name and username that we could find. We performed

(04:20):
digital data mining, and we built a search tool. Parameters
we could use to begin searching for potential victims in
missing Persons, Unidentified Persons, and unsolved murders databases. So let's
begin with those parameters. We determined that there were three

(04:42):
different victim types. One younger gay men who frequented gay bars, clubs,
and party scenes. This is the victimology of both Wacoltz
and Gaelhouse and seemed to be the preferred methodology of
Lorenzo and Schweikert for targeting men in the Tampa air
two area men who lived on the periphery, men who

(05:05):
struggled with drug addiction, who lived on the streets, who
needed money. Vulnerable male populations who would be easy to
manipulate or control with the promise of drugs or money,
men who also could easily disappear, as noted by both
Lorenzo and Schweikert in some of their AOL chats, and

(05:27):
three closeted or questioning men. One of the strongest witnesses
in the case against Stephen Lorenzo was Witness A, who
you may recall, was a man who identified as straight,
lived his life as a straight man, but encountered Lorenzo
and Schweikert online in a gay chat forum, and was
lured to Lorenzo's house with the promise of sex. The

(05:51):
two men would drug witness A, assault him for hours,
rape him, and eventually let him go with the threat
of murder. Witness Ay was a father married to a
woman who was in Tampa on a business trip. No
one in his life knew he was gay or at
least questioning, which made it unlikely that he would report

(06:14):
his assault and harder to connect any disappearance to the
gay community had Lorenzo and Schweikert actually murdered him. Lorenzo
had discussed in his AOL chats with Schweikert that this
was one of his ideal fantasies, drugging assaulting and perhaps
even killing white collar straight men. We started our searches

(06:40):
in Florida, where we believe both men were active during
the timeframe. We know one or both men were in
the state nineteen eighty eight through two thousand and four
when Lorenzo was arrested. We don't know the exact date
or even year that Lorenzo moved from the Northeast. We
have him living on Long Island in and around Albany,

(07:02):
New York, and near Philadelphia between his birth in nineteen
fifty nine and somewhere around nineteen eighty eight. We were
able to find Florida driver's licenses issued to Lorenzo going
as far back as nineteen ninety five. However, there are
two interviews with Florida area men who claimed to have

(07:22):
met Lorenzo in Florida in nineteen eighty nine, men who
became and maintained friendships with Lorenzo. So our best guess
is that he moved to the area at some point
between eighty eight and eighty nine. From our searches, we
excluded the following babies and children, teenagers aged thirteen to sixteen,

(07:46):
men over forty years old, anyone believed to have disappeared
while on a boat, any case where there was a
strong or undeniable suspect, and women or anyone female presenting.
In our searches, we did include the following criteria LGBTQ

(08:07):
plus and straight men between the ages of seventeen and
forty years old. This would include anyone presenting as male.
That search alone resulted in twenty five missing or murdered
men who could be potential victims of Stephen Lorenzo and
or Scott Schweikert. And that was just in Florida alone,

(08:32):
but there were still strong reasons to believe that the
men could have been active in many other states, but
specifically Georgia, South Carolina, Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania. And
there were very good reasons to believe that the two
men could have drugged, raped, assaulted, or killed at least

(08:52):
twice that number. During a June second, two thousand four
search of Lorenzo's house Tampa, Peedee discovered polaroids and homemade
videos of more than twenty men in various stages of bondage,

(09:12):
including men who appeared to be unconscious and in some
instances deceased. They also found an envelope labeled missing Guy articles,
which contained newspaper articles relating to the disappearances of Jason Galehouse,
Michael Wockolet's and other unnamed missing or dead men. Additionally,

(09:34):
they found that Lorenzo had been keeping track of a
slew of missing men cases out of Georgia, which was
something that came up at least three different times in
the police interviews. First, in an interview with Lorenzo's friend
and neighbor, he told police that Lorenzo had talked about
the disappearances of the two gay Tampa guys, referring to

(09:55):
Gaelhouse and Wokles, and said that he believed that they
were likely targets of Assyria Killer, who was also abducting
men in Georgia. A second time, when the police interviewed
a former cellmate of Scott Schweikert's, they asked if Scott
spent any time in Georgia, and the cellmate told police
that Schweikert once lived in South Carolina and often visited Georgia.

(10:19):
And the third time is when a friend of Lorenzo
said that Lorenzo couldn't help him with the home renovation project.
In mid December of two thousand and three because he
was going to Georgia for the weekend, and this week
in getaway could be connected to chat records between Lorenzo
and Schwekert where they repeatedly discussed targeting a hustler out

(10:39):
of Georgia. Through a background check in additional arrest records,
we were able to determine that Scott did, in fact
live in Lads in, South Carolina, a suburb of Charleston
about one hundred miles from the South Carolina and Georgia
state line, and we can place Scott there as early
as decend of nineteen ninety nine and as late as

(11:03):
August first of two thousand one. However, background checks also
play Schweikert living in Athens, Georgia at some point in
nineteen ninety nine, and again at a similar address in
two thousand. It's possible he bounced around between the two towns,
which are only about four hours apart, but there were

(11:26):
other ways to search for victims. Through the case files,
we had a list of thirty six screen names who
engaged in sexual chat with Lorenzo on AOL, and while
AOL is now generally reserved for baby boomers, it was
the epicenter of online gay culture in the late nineties
and early oughts, and equally important, its data has been

(11:50):
breached many, many, many times, meaning if you know how
to navigate data leaks like I do, you can start
using data breach databases to search for those thirty six
screen names and then use other data mining techniques to
see where else they've been used online and where else

(12:14):
they've potentially been breached online. But some of the most
critical information to help us identify victims were the dates
we got from the files, specifically photos and videos taken
from Lorenzo's computer, digital camera, and camcorder that had date
stamps and in some cases names, Photos and videos of

(12:41):
men tied up, sometimes unconscious, always naked, and in some
cases very likely deceased, so we could run NamUs and
Charlie project searches using our parameters and then run that
against our data, mine the dates and names found on

(13:02):
Lorenzo's digital media and our timeline to find at the
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(14:54):
of exhibits submitted by the state to be used at
Lorenzo's trial. Exhibits were found, what they contained, and any
notes that seemed relevant to our investigation. It seemed like
the most practical way to use actual evidence to search
for potential victims or connections and what felt like an

(15:15):
otherwise never ending rabbit hole. First were photos that had
been downloaded to Lorenzo's computer. The files don't mention download
dates or their origins, but it was clear that some
of those photos were taken by Lorenzo and Schweikert themselves.
They included one photo labeled co nst r nma N

(15:40):
at aol dot com, one of Stephen Lorenzo's multiple AOL usernames.
One photo was labeled top dominator, another AOL username that
we haven't been able to identify yet. Two photos were
of a man tied to Lorenzo's bed, two photos were

(16:01):
of a young boy, and a third was of that
boy's feet. And then there were multiple downloaded photos of
men tied up chained, caged, bagged, wrapped in plastic, and
or being injected. It's unclear whether these were photos Lorenzo
found online or photos that he took himself. However, there

(16:27):
were no notations of these photos appearing to be taken
in Lorenzo's home or any known locations. Next up were
videos seized from Lorenzo's residence, one video dated December eighteenth,
two thousand three, and another dated January fourth, two thousand four.
What's interesting is that the December eighteenth video was taken

(16:50):
on the same day that Schweikert and Lorenzo chatted on
AO wel about meeting up in Tampa for the second time,
and less than forty eight hours before the two abducted
Jason galehouse. The files don't make it clear what these
videos are of or what types of videos they are.

(17:11):
After the videos were hard copy photos seized from Lorenzo's residence.
Two photos labeled Derek, six photos labeled Paul manboy fl
eight photos labeled Rich, seven photos labeled ed and those
may become very important in just a minute, But moving along,

(17:33):
eight photos labeled Rob, thirty photos labeled Chuck, and five
photos labeled Mike. None of these names come up in
the files sent to us NOR at trial, and the
photos labeled Mike don't appear to be photos of Michael Walkle's,
as there were photos found of him dead and alive

(17:55):
mentioned later in the exhibits. Last, and most damning were
photos discovered on Lorenzo's Olympus digital camera. One photo dated
July twenty six, two thousand two and timestamped at nine
forty six a M. Twenty five photos dated July twenty seventh,

(18:17):
two thousand three, forty one photos dated October third, two
thousand three, sixty three photos dated October twenty third, two
thousand three, thirty seven photos dated October thirtieth, two thousand three,
nineteen photos dated November ninth, two thousand three, one hundred

(18:40):
sixty eight unlabeled photos, twenty three photos labeled Danny Boy,
fourteen photos labeled James, four photos labeled Davis Island subboy,
twenty seven photos labeled Bobby, twenty eight photos labeled either

(19:01):
Atlanta Tim or Atlanta ten we'll get into that in
a second, and an unspecified number of photos labeled Carl. Now,
some of those names will become incredibly important, but first
let's take a look at those dates for July twenty

(19:22):
sixth of two thousand and two, there's no available data
nor any reported cases that appear to coincide with the state.
The July twenty seventh, two thousand and three photos could
pertain to a man we'll call JP. The following is
a detailed account of a violent sexual assault. Listen with
care or skip exactly one minute and twenty five seconds.

(19:48):
WHO reported that sometime in July of two thousand and three,
he met Stephen Lorenzo for the first time at the
twenty six oh six club, where Lorenzo met both Jason
Galehouse and Michael Walker just five months later. JP reported
that they had no prior relationship. They'd never seen each other,
met each other, or talked online. They talked for a

(20:11):
while at the bar and then decided to head to
Stevens after last call. JP followed Lorenzo back to his
place on Powaton Avenue in his own car. When he arrived,
Lorenzo gave him three glasses of wine, and as he
drank them, he became more and more nauseous and eventually
began vomiting. Lorenzo told him to go lay down and

(20:33):
then gave him a gatorade to sip from. JP said
the drink was definitely not gatorade, it was salty. Detectives
would eventually find empty bottles of gatorade with trace amounts
of g HB inside them at Lorenzo's Powaton house. JP
threw up again, and while he was on his knees,

(20:53):
felt what he'd later learn was a zip tie being
tightened around his neck. Then he passed out. When he
awoke some time later, he'd been sodomized by a large
butt plug, which was still in sight of him. He
was bleeding from his rectum, and his body was covered
in significant bruising. For reasons unclear, Lorenzo let him go,

(21:17):
and JP got dressed and fled the scene. The October third,
two thousand, three foot Edward was thirty four years old
when he disappeared. He stood approximately five foot eight and
weighed approximately one hundred seventy pounds. Edward had traveled from Grafton, Massachusetts,
to Flagler Beach to visit a friend, and according to Nemus,

(21:41):
that friend last saw Edward on October seventeenth, at around
eight a m. On the twenty first, the friend called
the Flagler Beach Police Department to report Edward missing. Flagler
County Sheriff's Office deputies worked with the police to conduct
an investigation, which it revealed that on October seventeen, the

(22:02):
day Edward was last seen, Edward was transported to Florida
Hospital Flagler in Palm Coast, Florida. He apparently left the
hospital on foot and of his own free will, walking
in an unknown direction. It's unclear when exactly Edward left
nor why he was admitted to the hospital in the

(22:23):
first place, but the hospital was located just one hour
from Scott Schwikert's home in Orlando, and so we have
to ask could Edward Bruyette be the ed whom police
found seven photos of in Lorenzo's house For the October thirtieth,

(22:46):
two thousand three photos, there's no available data nor any
reported cases that appear to coincide with them. And November nine,
two thousand three, that's around the time that Lorenzo and
Schweitkirt alleged to have met in person for the first time.
It's also four days after the final documented chat Lorenzo
has with someone using the screen name uncut gv boy. Unfortunately,

(23:12):
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screen name uncut gv boy. However, the photos labeled with
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in excess of one hundred photos labeled with seven different
names discovered on Lorenzo's Olympus digital camera, and it's important

(25:23):
to note that as we continue to go through these
photos and videos, that many of Lorenzo's and Schweikert's victims survived.
They either got free or were let go, so many
of these could have been taken of those such survivors.

(25:47):
Twenty three photos were labeled Danny Boy, which we haven't
been able to link to any potential or known victims yet.
Four photos were labeled Davis Island sub Boy, and they
can't directly be linked to any potential victims either. However,
Davis Islands is a chain of islands just south of

(26:09):
downtown Tampa. Fourteen photos labeled James immediately brought to mind
James Shoemaker, who I reported on last season. James Shoemaker
was last seen on October twenty first, nineteen ninety five,
at the Parthenon Nightclub in Tampa, a club that Stephen
Lorenzo was known to hang out at. James was thirty

(26:32):
at the time, weighed approximately one hundred thirty five pounds,
and stood about five foot nine. He'd been dropped off
alone that night and didn't have a car with him. However,
as best we can tell, Shoemaker has been on Tampa
Pete's radar as a potential Lorenzo victim, so they'd likely

(26:55):
or at least hopefully, be able to use the fourteen
photos of James found on Lorenzo's camera to compare to
photos of James Shuemaker. Additionally, while it's unclear what year
Lorenzo's camera was produced, Olympus digital cameras weren't widely available,

(27:15):
particularly in the Americas, until two thousand one. In a
Tampa Tribune article from November seven of two thousand five
titled three Other deaths suspected. Tampa Police detective Charles Masucci
reportedly stated that the men who appeared in the other

(27:36):
three groups of photos labeled with names all appeared to
be dead in some of or most of those photos.
An unspecified number of those photos were labeled Carl Karl,
which we haven't been able to link to any potential
or known victims yet. Section twenty eight of those photos

(28:00):
were labeled either Atlanta Tim or Atlanta ten. Atlanta Tim
is what is most consistent in the exhibit logs. I've
only really seen Atlanta ten appear in several media outlets,
which could be chalked up to mishearing statements in court.
But this was something that piqued our interest based on

(28:21):
both Lorenzo's interest and then the Tampa Pedes interest in
missing men in Georgia. But we'll explore all that in
a future episode. Twenty seven photos were labeled Bobby, which
is a name that has come up in our research.
Robert Lewis Grossman, who reportedly went by Bobby, disappeared on

(28:46):
October third of nineteen ninety seven. The eighteen year old
left his family home on Affirmed Lane in Boca Raton Florida,
following an argument with his mother at around nine thirty pm.
Bobby was wearing blue short and is not believed to
have had shoes or a shirt on. According to reports,
Bobby and his mother, who worked together at the Saint

(29:08):
Andrew's School summer camp, were arguing because his mom wanted
him to go to bed early because he had to
work the following day, and Bobby didn't want to go.
Three months after Bobby disappeared, his girlfriend reported that she
received a phone call from an anonymous caller who claimed
that Bobby had been murdered and that his body had

(29:31):
been dumped in a canal near Southwest eighteenth Street in
boker Rattone. Police immediately searched the canal and its surrounding
areas with no success. They were never able to determine
the veracity of the call, According to the Charlie Project.
Authorities stated that Grossman had no problems at home and

(29:51):
wasn't involved with any gangs or trouble. He was a
senior at Spanish River High School, had a part time
job as a camp counselor, and planned to go to college.
It's uncharacteristic of him to have left without warning. Or
to be out of touch with his loved ones. Bobby
was last seen walking the streets of Boca Ratone, shirtless

(30:13):
and shoeless, less than seventeen miles from an apartment that
Stephen Lorenzo rented across the street from the Drake Towers
apartment complex in Fort Lauderdale, and that apartment complex is
where three gay men would disappear between nineteen eighty eight
and two thousand and four. But as with James Shoemaker,

(30:36):
it's hard to imagine Bobby Grossman's nineteen ninety seven disappearance
coinciding with images found on that Olympus digital camera. There
was some compelling additional evidence seized from Lorenzo's and submitted
by the state. The much discussed file folder marked Missing

(30:59):
Guy's Articles containing newspaper clippings on Wacoltz and Galehouse and
other dead or missing men, and a file folder marked
Drownings and Disappearances two thousand and one through two thousand three,
containing numerous photos and printouts downloaded from canine bytes dot
com with handwritten notes on them. These are especially interesting

(31:24):
when you consider that Lorenzo told at least one surviving
victim that he could kill him and hide his car
in a canal. And then that a friend of Schweikertz
reported that shortly after moving to Orlando, Scott told him
that he crashed his car into a canal. And this

(31:47):
is how our deep dive investigation began. A comparison of
new leads and old evidence missing person cases that coincided
with each and sometimes both, and our determination to broaden
our scope beyond Florida. Of course, things would get complicated.

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There were other serial killers in some of the same
places with similar victimologies to contend with. There was frustration
in stone Walling with and from various local law enforcement agencies.
There were jurisdictional nightmares. And then, of course, there were
the two assholes at the center of all of this.

(32:36):
Two prolific rapists and killers who abducted and tortured men
before turning on each other. Two liars who wanted to
paint the other as the dom in their fucked up relationship.
Two men who were learning from one another, teaching one

(32:58):
another and egging each other on. Two men who were
probably planning on abducting, torturing, and killing each other. Two
gay men hunting gay men in the communities They were
supposed to feel safest in in a time when few

(33:19):
gay men felt safe with anyone anywhere at all. Because
it wasn't just serial killers trying to rid the world
of homosexuality, we.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Jam.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
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Tampa Bay Times, NamUs, and The Charlie Project. This episode
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(38:16):
father down so stop dot father my back down fat
mother mother, your mother momah lay tru