April 11, 2025 • 74 mins
In today’s episode of Truth Wanted, Kelley Laughlin and Dr. Blitz, show us how to do an amazing job with thought provoking calls!
Steve in NE has evidence that dark energy is weakening over time, implying that the Big Rip Theory is incorrect. Dr. Blitz confirms this big news and cites studies that consistently show that dark energy is weakening. We should be hesitant because we don’t know what dark energy will do. Could the expanding universe be a trick of time dilation?
Omega Weapon in NY has a position that any god that is both independent of space/time and the creator of it can’t logically exist. To have conversations with people who believe this, it helps to put yourself in their shoes and try and figure out how they are thinking about this.
Jim in FL currently has a deist perspective and knows there is a higher power that people do not understand yet. What does a deist god do for you and how does this god provide direction? Why believe in a higher power that does not interact with the physical world? If there is a god that we can’t know, why should we care? Your desire to help people is admirable, but keep in mind that your religion has nothing to do with helping people. We are not judging you or here to be confrontational; we are just trying to figure out what it is you want to do.
Dan in Canada wants to know if Dr. Blitz believes that the Pyramid Power Plant theory would actually work and what the physics breakdown would be for this to produce microwaves. There may have been some weird chemistry in those times, but there is no evidence they had a copper coil or the ability to produce electromagnets. It is easy to take apart most pseudo science.
Jasmine in Canada asks if the hosts would compromise their beliefs to get well paying jobs in Christian private schools even though they don’t believe. You can’t just change your belief on a whim and making a pledge for faith would be where the line is drawn. It is one thing to lie to your employer, and another thing to lie to kids. How would you approach science? There is a value to being a friendly face to LGBTQ kids in a hostile environment. There are reasons these jobs pay so well such as the conservative mindset being so restrictive.
Dee in IA has some encouraging comments for the earlier deist call. It sounds like a lonely position; instead of looking at a deity that can make you feel better, take a look at what is important to you and find a way to do something about these things. You have the strength to call in, you can have the strength to do the things in your community that make a difference!
Eli Slack, our backup host, joins to help close us out. We want the truth segment of the week: Name a time when protesting would be an overreaction.
Thank you for tuning in this week and keep wanting the truth!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/truth-wanted--3195473/support.
Steve in NE has evidence that dark energy is weakening over time, implying that the Big Rip Theory is incorrect. Dr. Blitz confirms this big news and cites studies that consistently show that dark energy is weakening. We should be hesitant because we don’t know what dark energy will do. Could the expanding universe be a trick of time dilation?
Omega Weapon in NY has a position that any god that is both independent of space/time and the creator of it can’t logically exist. To have conversations with people who believe this, it helps to put yourself in their shoes and try and figure out how they are thinking about this.
Jim in FL currently has a deist perspective and knows there is a higher power that people do not understand yet. What does a deist god do for you and how does this god provide direction? Why believe in a higher power that does not interact with the physical world? If there is a god that we can’t know, why should we care? Your desire to help people is admirable, but keep in mind that your religion has nothing to do with helping people. We are not judging you or here to be confrontational; we are just trying to figure out what it is you want to do.
Dan in Canada wants to know if Dr. Blitz believes that the Pyramid Power Plant theory would actually work and what the physics breakdown would be for this to produce microwaves. There may have been some weird chemistry in those times, but there is no evidence they had a copper coil or the ability to produce electromagnets. It is easy to take apart most pseudo science.
Jasmine in Canada asks if the hosts would compromise their beliefs to get well paying jobs in Christian private schools even though they don’t believe. You can’t just change your belief on a whim and making a pledge for faith would be where the line is drawn. It is one thing to lie to your employer, and another thing to lie to kids. How would you approach science? There is a value to being a friendly face to LGBTQ kids in a hostile environment. There are reasons these jobs pay so well such as the conservative mindset being so restrictive.
Dee in IA has some encouraging comments for the earlier deist call. It sounds like a lonely position; instead of looking at a deity that can make you feel better, take a look at what is important to you and find a way to do something about these things. You have the strength to call in, you can have the strength to do the things in your community that make a difference!
Eli Slack, our backup host, joins to help close us out. We want the truth segment of the week: Name a time when protesting would be an overreaction.
Thank you for tuning in this week and keep wanting the truth!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/truth-wanted--3195473/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the things I often hear Christians say is
that while science changes, the Bible never does, which somehow
goes to prove its veracity. I'm not sure how, but
why does science change and religion doesn't. Science is rooted
in evidence, experimentation, and observation. As we get better tools
to gather evidence and experiment and observe with, we get
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a better understanding of the universe around us, and we're
able to add to our body of knowledge. Science is
designed to change and evolve as we learn more and more,
and hopefully leads us to the most accurate truth we
can attain with the current body of facts. Religion, on
the other hand, is rooted in faith and tradition. Most
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of us have already heard faith describes as the excuse
you use when you don't have any facts, and while
tradition often needs to be changed by definition, it can't
be no matter what new facts we learn, no matter
what we observe with better and better instruments, You just
have to take it on faith that this particular tradition
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is true, even if the actual empirical evidence isn't backing
it up. If your beliefs never change but remain exactly
as they were handed to you. Ask yourself, is that
really a good thing? Is unshakable certainty in the face
of new evidence, a sign of strength, or just the
fear of letting go. Growth requires change. Learning means accepting
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that we don't always have it right, and a worldview
that never adapts might feel comforting, but it's also trapped
in the past, unable to evolve, unable to question itself,
and unable to offer anything new. If that makes you
a little uncomfortable, good give us a call because the
show is starting right now. Hello, Hello, and welcome to
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another episode of Truth Wanted. I am your host of
the amazing Kelly Laughlin, and I am here with Ann
even amazing, more more amazing guest Doctor Blitz.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
How you doing, doctor, I'm doing all right. I don't
know how I can follow that intro though.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well thanks, thanks, I appreciate that. I do want. I
do have a few things I want to say. This
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(02:56):
I'm so glad to have you back here. I know
you were here a couple of about two months ago
with with Dan something like that. Yeah, I'm somewhere around there,
so it's good to have you back here. You, I
thought you did a great episode. Then I'm really honored
to be able to be too kind. No, seriously, I'm
honored to be able to the co host with you today.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So likewise, likewise I've seen I've seen a lot from you.
I guess we haven't well, I guess we kind of
did have a brief chat last time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I'm always around as the backup post, so yeah,
unless unless I'm hosting. So yeah, right, So what do
we got today? So what have we got today? Hopefully
we have lots of calls coming in. I know we've
got one already, but I wanted to talk to you
a little bit about your background and what and what
do you know? So you know, you want to give
us a little back, a little idea, give our viewers
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a little bit idea of your background and where you're
coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, so I hail from the distant, far off land
of the Czech Republic. I'm not checking. I am American.
I'm a physicist of the mathematical variety by trade, by training,
if you will. I also like and enjoy confrontation a
little bit too much, so I find myself in places
like this where we talk to random people on the
internet and hopefully get into arguments that are good faith
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and fun for everybody involved. Like I said, I do
physics as is my day job. I'm you know, I'm
a researcher. I work at a university, and I thoroughly
enjoy Einstein's work and I hate anything that has quantum
in its name. That's not true, but you know, quantum
quantum mechanics are scary.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I almost I actually almost did a cold open about
some of the opposition to Einstein when you first published
The During of Relativity. In some of this because there
was a lot of opposition to it at first.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, I mean it was paradigm shifting right, And so
of course, of course paradigm shifts are going to take opposition,
and then when you prove it right, well, then your
paradigm shifts.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
One of the things that got me too was like
a resurgence of substantial, substantial, substantian subs I can't say it,
but the idea that like forces like gravity were a
substance and not a force.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I didn't know about that. But I don't know a
whole lot about the history of some of these things.
You know, I know the landmark experiments, if you will,
But ask me what people were fighting about in the
you know, in the philosophical literature at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough specialities interest Like I've
always had a huge interest in science and in history.
So the history of science has been really fascinating to me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So I did have the opportunity this was just a delight.
So a few months back, not a few months back,
this was last fall, I had the chance to meet
Roger Penrose, which was something special. But same week I
also got to see Isaac Newton's personal first edition copy
of The Principia in the Red Library, and it has
his handwriting in it like he was making edit because
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he was you know, it was the first edition, so
he was editing for a second. It was so like
I could appreciate some science history here.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Cool, cool, cool. I got to kind of similar. I
got to see a specimen of It wasn't a really
good specimen either, of Chrysacola. That was given by Fredrick Koons,
who is the guy who made our current list of
birthstones that we use. He worked for Tiffany's around the
turn of the century. But he gave it, I know, right,
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And it was a handwritten label from him to Thomas
Edison who he had given this this specimen too. So
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That is really cool. There is something there is something
neat about old scientific artifacts, if you will. And I
guess that ties in kind of well to the poll.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, you know, we have our own artifacts, we have
our own heroes, and maybe it is a religion. Maybe
we were wrong this whole time.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We just we have laboratories instead of churches, right, classrooms
where lecturers preach. Yeah, and there you go, there you go.
Eli is a little surprised in the background that we're
sticking up his religion.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, you know, the more you say it, maybe
it's true. Maybe it's true at least it has the
trapping of religion. But perhaps that's not so surprising because
the first universities were run by religious folk, right, they
were religious institutions, So maybe it's not so surprising that
they kind of have these trappings of you know, religious
kind of feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That was I mean, it was because that day when
you're only ones that had money during the Dark Ages, right,
So if you wanted an education, you just had to
join the church.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You had no choice.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, it's a I mean like and so you know,
you go look at some of these ancient, ancient universities
and yeah, they look like churches. M m.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And a lot of them were actually started as as
theological institutions, from what I understand, a lot of I.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Think I think Cambridge was originally theological institution.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Right, right exactly, That's exactly the one I was thinking of.
I knew it was Cambridge Direxford, I was going to say,
because I didn't want to get it wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I don't remember which one was first, but yeah,
that's where I met Penrose. It was at Cambridge so yeah,
it's a if you like scientific artifacts, that's the place
to go have a lot of neat things. Also, the
pub where Watson and Creek stole their idea about DNA
from Rosalind Franklin. It's also in Cambridge and you can
go eat there and that's really neat too.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's awesome. See, that's the kind of stuff I would
enjoy doing. It's the best kind of tourism. Side tourism,
great tourism. I know you were worried about getting a
little fuzzy. I see me getting fuzzy on the on
the feed right now. I'm hoping my my connection is
working ron okay, thinks okay, hopefully, it seems sometimes it
seems like it goes in and out. I have no
idea why. I really don't, because everything should be working
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fine here.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's the magic crystals that are uh, somebody's using to
cast a spell on you.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's all the it's all the energy coming from behind
the wall behind you. It's the rocks. It's the rocks.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Rocks have a magic in them. I guess that's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
What they tell me. I still haven't figured out how
or why or where it's coming from. But that's what
they tell me. I'm pretty sure it's that orange one
behind you. That's a mango.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oh yeah, well, well you have a mango on your
rock wall.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's a long story, but I was on atheist experience
once with the Cross Examiner, and we had a guy
and call me up and told me that told us
that God was like a mango. Oh, and he had
a really tortured explanation of why God was like a mango,
and it turned into a pretty funny call and we
all laughed about it for weeks. So I ended up
getting the mango on myself because is it Is it real? No,
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it's not a real mango.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh, I was gonna say you you must have to
replace it quite frequently.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's a plastic mango.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I've never seen a mango of that color. I'm not
gonna lie. Usually they're like more greenish yellowish, yeah, right,
a little bit, maybe a little bit of red here
and there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They're usually a little bit bigger than this too. It's
pretty small for a mango. Yeah, there's a little bit
of green on it. There you go, and ye okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I can see that. As a mango offician. I'm
not a mangofician audio. But I have a fond with mango,
so maybe I should be the expert.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
On You know, you just gotta believe he's got to
have faith and you can learn now all we want
about mangoes.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, mangology is a very sophisticated field and it
requires years of training if you want to study its
proper way.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That was good, I got me, and it might see.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
See there's a there's a trend in my Ah. Yes,
I did mention this, but I engage in these online
argument things quite frequently. I have my own channel, but
I'm not going to plug myself. But last week or so,
well I will at the end. Last week or so,
some guy came on who is a flat earther, which
is always fun, right. He came on and we were
talking about natural science, and I tried to convince He
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tried to convince me that I didn't know what science was.
So I pulled up the definition. It said natural science,
and I asked him to give me an example of
the natural science. I assumed he would have just said
biology or something. He struggled for a minute or so
to come up with an example, and then he said
plantology and so ever since then, you'll see people in
my chat, and I imagine that there are people in
this in the YouTube chat right now just screaming like
something ending in ology, just some random word like plantology
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or mangology. So that's what I was referencing there.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But it is now that I've explained the joke, it's
lest that is really funny. Plantology.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had a strad a guy come in that store
a few weeks ago that was trying to convince me
that that he first here. He drew a line of circles,
two lines of circles right next to each other, and
told me that this is like an atomic lattice, and
that the little triangles in between the circles, the ones
I'm pointing up were positive and the ones pointing down,
we're negative. So it creates this magnetic field, and that's
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what really holds everything together, is this magnetic field. And
the Sun is positive, right, so everything grows towards the
Sun because everything from the Earth is negative. So the
magnetism between the Sun and the Earth makes everything growth
towards the Sun. You're gonna make me cry, I could, dude.
I was like freaking out on this guy. I just
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I wanted to hear more, you know, but he was
in a hurry. He promised to come back and talk
to me some more, though, so I'm keeping my fingers
crossed and he shows back because I was having a
lot of fun with that one. You don't believe some
of the people we get inside the crystal store. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I actually think I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's amazing. It's amazing. I've had people come in and
talking tell me about the nuclear war that happened before
that that actually was responsible for the demise of Atlantis.
It was actually destroying war. Yeah, I actually heard that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I actually heard that there was a nuclear war on Mars.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I've heard that too. I've heard that too. This
guy told me he'd actually been to a nuclear power
plant ruined in Nevada that was over ten thousand years old,
and if you didn't know what it was, it would
just look like a bunch of rocks to you. But
if you knew what it was, then you could tell
it was that it was once a nuclear power plant,
but you had to know that that's what it was first.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't like these these enormous pillars underneath the pyramids
or something pyramids.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Have you have to know what you're looking for when
you look at these blurs and these blobs on this
horror radar. You know, if you don't know what you're
looking for, they don't look like pillars, but they're there.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I promise. I found that really interesting. Actually, I've always
wondered about I saw a theory that some that maybe
the inside of the pyramid was actually just a hill
that they built the pyramid around, and I thought that
was an interesting theory. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I imagine that it's known that it's solid.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, Yeah, but the hill would be solid too, right.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
They would just encase the hill inside rock and they'd
fill up any empty space. So it kind of it
would It would really save on building building materials, on labor.
It would save a lot. If you know, you started
out with the hill to begin with and just encase it,
you think that there'd be more hills then, right, Like
in the area there there there is there's a large
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escarpment to the east of where the pyramids are at,
so there are hills in the area. I know, it's
it's an interesting theory. It's I'm not going to say
it's true. It's an interesting theory that I thought that
made me go, hmm, I wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I feel like for how like they're right there, right,
the pyramids are in a place on Earth. You can
just go there. They're above ground. You can see them
with your eye. They're not microscopic. They're not like the
size of a black hole. They're not five klometers under
the water. Why don't we know more about them? Like
we should know, we should know more about them. They're
just there.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, right, Well, one of the problems is that we
can't like drill into it. We're not allowed to do that, right,
So we can't get we can only get so much
information like and even a lot of like the infant
like this these radar things that these columns that from
the radar that wasn't even an official survey being done.
That was a private thing that was done without permits
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and stuff. So you know, I don't know how reliable
that information is to even begin with.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So yeah, it's it's really I don't know. It is
like I get that they're very big, but I feel
like you should just be able to X ray it somehow.
I don't know how, but I feel like you should
just be able to X ray it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah you think, I guess you can't. I guess you can't. Yeah, no,
you really can't. You can do Oh, I'm trying to think.
I'm drawing a blank here, and I'm supposed to know
this kind of stuff. But they can do like a
magnetic resoning, resonating where they can find cavities and changes
in the density of the soil. So they can do that,
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but again, you need to be right above it. And
I don't think you're going to be able to go
through solid stone, you know, like a twenty ton block
of stone to get readings underneath it. So I'm not
sure we can do that yet, hear me out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So certainly particle accelerator could get through. Just take a
particle accelerator and use that t X.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right, we'll get on that. I'll talk to my people
here people get a hold of my people will work out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, your people with the rocks, my people with the
particles will get it started.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, we do. We do have a bunch of callers,
but before we get to any calls, I need to
do the question of the week Before every week we do.
We want the truth segment, the WWT segment, and we
are going to have Eli Slack come on up and
to read off off the question and the answers from
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last week. Hi you Hi, how you doing? Hey guys,
how's it going?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Good?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Awesome?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yeah, I'll just get sorry because I know you got
some calls to get too. So last week we asked
you if atheists aren't in fox holes, where are they?
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Wrong?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Answers only. Number three from Know What says, unless it's
a humanitarian war, atheists are protesting war instead of in
the fox holes. I think yeah, generally true. Yeah, I
think most of the protesters likely.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Would be would be atheists.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I think Number two from Jason tech Lord if atheists
aren't in fox holes, where are they? Well, as a
former military member, you could find me off and in
line to the head for some for some gee dunk
or the scuttle butt. I know that means the fountain
or rumors. It's one of the it's it means both
of those Oh wait you said wrong answers only oops.
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And then number one from the real Uncle Freaky love
It says, where would this atheist rather be than in
a foxhole?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
In church a fox hole. They're not coming. Yeah, I agree,
not comfortable.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Neither is church.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So about those old churches that are just nice and
historic and they don't actually have anything going on in them?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Those are nice?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, maybe the foxhole would be more eventful, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'd feel safer in the church. I think that's true.
Church is safer. What do you prioritize? Yeah, all right,
that's it for me, guys. Well, what's our question for
next week?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Yeah, the question for next week is when would be
an inappropriate time to protest? That's going to be the
question for next week. So put your answers. Not in
the well you could. You can put it in the
live chat, but it won't count for it to count
for consideration. Put it in the comments after the video
is posted. When would be a bad time to protest?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
So?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
When would protesting be an overreaction? I apologize I miss
missrepresented When would protesting be an overreaction?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Doctor blitch? You have an answer? Answer?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So I thought about this long and hard, and the
most overreaction, the most you could protest, that would be
an overreaction. I think would be like when a travel
agency uses the papyrus fonts for any of their exotic trips,
like the Egypt or to like somewhere in the Middle East,
kind of like exotic, but not do exotic. That would
would be kind of inappropriate to protest that.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's fair. Is it inappropriate to protest? To protest? No,
I think it always can be.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Yeah, sometimes that's effective.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's called a counter protest.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Actually, yeah, many many many years ago, I was living
in a small town in Illinois, and there was several
hundred evangelical people showed up when they formed a cross
in the middle of the.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Town with the people's standing on the streets, and they
were there to protest abortion. And I saw one single
guy standing across the street all by himself, and he
had obviously gone behind one of the stores and ripped
a piece of cardboard off of a box out of
the trash, and he wrote on a sharpie, free choice.
And he just stood there, all by himself, across the
street from two hundred people. It was the fucking best
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protest I ever saw in my life. Yeah. Yeah, he
was like my hero for a week. Couple of weeks
after that.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
All right, I think it is time for me to
drop out.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now, guys, all right, well, thanks Eli, I appreciate you
coming up. We'll bring it back up at the end
of the show. Thanks a lot. And as Uh as
he mentioned, we do have quite a few calls stacking
up and I do want to get to him. But
before we do, I keep saying it, before we do,
I want to give a shout out to our patron
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And this wakes Patreon. Patreon is drum roll, it is
waiting for the Jonathan Hall there.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Thank you, Jonathan, and thank you to everyone who has
donated through Patreon to us, and every single penny of
that goes to keep the show going. I do not
make any money off of it. I wish I did,
but I don't. And with that, what do you think
you want to go ahead and take a call. Yeah,
let's do it, all right. I got Steve here from
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calling from Nebraska. He him says there is evidence that
dark energy is a weakening over time, meaning that the
Big Rip theory slash hypothesis is incorrect, so then consequently
our universe very well may escape Pete that So Hi Steve,
how you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Yeah, Hi Kelly and doctor Blitz. A happy weekend everyone,
and we're allowing us the opportunity to discuss evidence suggesting
dark energy is weakening over time, implying the big Rip
theory is incorrect. So consequently then our universe very well
may escape faka Entropida. So you guys aren't familiar with
(21:10):
the research study titled DESI twenty twenty four. Yeah, the
logical constraints from the measurement very on acoustic consolations. I'm
guessing yeah, Ed.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Are you looking at the one that came out this
past March or are you looking at the one from
the April prior.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Twenty twenty four? I think the I six from last year.
I think they've come out with yes.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, So actually this is big news. In the middle
of last March, the DESI report or the DESI team
Dark Energy Spectroscopy Instrument Team for anybody who doesn't know,
they released their second data or they released their second
set of data including analysis of the new data, and
you're absolutely on the money. The first report when it
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first came out. The data on its own was consistent
with a constant dark energy. However, when combined with other
data like supernova data or like the cosmic microwave background
radiation data, it suggested that dark energy could be weakening.
In the new data release, which came out again, I
should stress about a month ago. Their new data is
now consistent with the dark with dark energy weakening, and
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if you combine that data with again the same sets
of other data like supernova data, cosmic bike wave background
radiation data, the evidence is even stronger now that dark
energy is indeed weakening. You should be a little bit
hesitant though, to draws any conclusions, because we don't have
a model to explain what dark energy is actually going
to do. Right, it's changing. We know that now, or
at least that seems to be the case. What it's
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actually going to do is a little bit of a
trickier question to answer.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Okay, so I've also heard, and I don't know maybe
if you've heard such a thing, but that dark energy
is actually just an illusion of gravitational time dilation. Is
that something you've heard that it might not need?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, real, I'm familiar with the claim. So there's an
Australian or maybe he's a Kei we there's there's a
physicist and a few of his students who have been
talking about this model, called the Timescape cosmology model for
a good while. I think he first put it forward
in the early two thousands and it was kind of fringe,
and then I guess last year, maybe it was last year,
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he and his team, I think most of whom were
former students, did a new analysis of a particular data set,
which is a particularly common cosmological data set that's used
to analyze different models, called Pantheon plus I think is
the data set he used. It's supernova data and said, hey,
look this model that we have where instead of having
an expanding universe, an accelerating expansion in the universe, it's
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instead just a kind of a trick of time dilation.
This model actually better predicts the data that we see
in this Pantheon plus model Pantheon plus data set, than
the standard cosmogical model. And that might be true. I
briefly looked at the paper a while ago, but I
would just caution anyone from drawing any conclusions from a
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model that relies on only a single data set. If
it's the case that this model was consistent with other
data sets as well, great, we have a better model.
But as far as I know, they haven't checked anything
against other big or other different data sets that need
to be checked against.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Okay, so are you more of a fan of time
scape cosmology? Are you more of a fan of the
pathological constant cold dark matter model? Which model more accurately
represents how our universe is structured? Which would you consider
it be a better model?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think Timescape is probably flawed. There's an underlying assumption
there that I just think is incorrect, and I could
go into the detail of it, but I don't think
it's relevant. The point is is that there is a
like an unorthodox assumption about how general relativity behaves that's
required to make Timescape cosmology work. I just don't think
it's a good assumption. And while the cosmological constant land
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to CDM model it might not be right, it at
least seems more right than Timescape because it doesn't seem
to violate like our kind of the standard assumptions that
we get in general relativity.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Okay, so what at the apparent the universe's expansion is
a result of how time and distance are perceived in
different gravitational environments. Would you really wouldn't need a mysterious
dark energy to explain that? Would you could use?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It depends really, it really depends on the model. As
far as I'm aware. The trouble with the Timescape model
is it's basically impossible to actually sit down and do
explicit computations because the systems of equations get way way, way,
way too complicated, way too fast. So my understanding is
that you essentially have to use heuristics. So it might
be the case that you can figure out like some
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initial condition or some data set that will allow you
to get rid of dark energy. But I'm just not
sure if it works. But yeah, I mean, like if
it is correct, and I'll eat my hat and I'll
be happy to work on understanding you know, this new
kind of unorthodox assumption.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Okay, so what if there is dark energy and it
is indeed weakening over time, So eventually the universe's expansion,
the acceleration is going to slow down right to a
point where it may actually are no longer expanding. And
it's even possible right that the universe could then collapse
in on it. So, but then what if it gets
to a point of a near singularity and then it rebounds,
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and like, what if our universe is like eternally cyclical
and like was always here? Would that kill the column
causmological argument? Would that? Would that mean.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes, that's well, that prove that, wouldn't it would at
least make you think that you probably shouldn't take it seriously?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
What you what?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What a promoter of the cost of the clum argument
would say is they say, well, just because it might
be infinite into the future, or just because there may
have been prior instances of this doesn't mean that it's
infinite in the past. But of course that would be
kind of silly if like if if we know it,
if we know it'll go through a cycle forever into
the future, then now you have good reason to think
that it's cyclic forever into the past as well. I
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think that people would have significantly fewer uh significantly less bites,
let's say, for the Cloum cosmological argument, because no longer
could he say, ah, well, but then there was a
big bang and therefore there was a beginning, like it
just wouldn't work anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Okay, we'll be you know, I'll be interesting to see
what what what pans out on this and maybe we'll
never know what what was before, you know, before the
Big Bang. I mean that's probably that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Maybe maybe we will not absolutely, but.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
We can come up with some maybe some good guesses,
you know, the pre Bang cosmology, maybe some some kind somedays.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So I mean, look, that's what That's what me and
my colleagues are trying to do.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We do our best.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Oh yeah, you guys, keep up the good Okay, hey,
thanks for taking my call. Guys every big.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Weekends, thanks for colling. I didn't feel like I had
much to add to that, but what a great time. No, no, no,
it's not. Don't be sorry at all. That was great.
If anybody should be sorry to me because I have
no idea, you know, I had nothing to contribute. I
feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, I mean, you know, usually I wouldn't ramble
like that, but this was like this news is and
I made a prediction. I made a video about this.
For those who don't know any science can indication online.
Who would have thought, right? I made a video about this,
and I put in the description of the video that
I suspect somebody's going to want to know about prize
for this because this is, like, this is one of
the biggest scientists. If it pans out as correct, it's
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one of the biggest scientists scientific discoveries of the century easily,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
The beginning of the century for the most part.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Yeah, so like, like this is a big deal. So
it's fun to talk about. Cool, very very cool. Okay,
we still have quite a few calls, which is awesome.
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I think we will go on to our next call.
It is Omega Weapon for him from New York, falsifying
God and if can't and can't exists exist absence of
space time, referring to some of doctor Blitz's videos. So
(31:06):
I'm not quite sure if I explained that correctly. It's
not written maybe quite right, But hey, Omega Weapon, how
you doing.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Hey Kelly, Hey doctor Blitz, how are you guys?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm doing great. I inadvertently tried to give myself a
Heidelberg scar while shaving today, but other than that, I'm
doing Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I love the tie too, by the way, Thanks, So
I make my question more concise. Basically, doctor Blitz, I've
listened to you for quite a while now, and I've
heard a couple of conversations you've had with presuppositionalists in particular,
and it's about the definition of God, either of classical
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theism make any sense. Like my position is, if any
God has described as both spacetime independent and the creator,
it can't logically exclust because to even space something exists
if I'm that mistaken means as location in space time
or as space time itself, and creation and causation requires
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space I'm in order to happen in the first place.
So I just wanted to see if you agree with
those premises and go from there.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, generally speaking, like I'm with you on that,
Like when I'm thinking about a thing that exists, I'm
thinking about a thing in a place at a time.
But of course the theist classical or otherwise is going
to say, ah, but there's another type of existence, which
is some non spatio temporal existence that you might call
like I don't know metaphysical existence, and I don't know
what that means. But you know, that argument won't bite
(32:42):
for anybody who actually believes that stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, And I was just wondering, like, because even you
know he is included, we always necessarily have to reference
space and time to identify that's been things in the
Fruth place. So how would it be then identifiable if
it's not a physical.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, yeah, it's it's I don't get it either,
But you know, we got to talk to people where
they sit, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, sometimes that's the only way that they can understand
it is we talk to them and we talk at
them from that angle, right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, It's it's a bit, it's a bit troublesome, right
because there and I don't know what the answer is,
but there is a mode of thinking that allows you
to think that there are things that are not spatio temporal,
and I maybe perhaps that's quite normal, Perhaps that's quite
normal for humans to do that. But I don't have
that mode of thinking. I don't even know what that means.
So when having these conversations, you just have to try
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to put yourself in their shoe and try to understand
what they're thinking.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And you know, it's tricky.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, And another question I had was in regard
to the data I had with the Stops and Samboy
and I have no doctor Voss, You've encountered that type
of stuff in the past, basically telling me that because
I said, how how can time be created? If creation
is a pre webon prerecord?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I mean, if time is a prerequisite for the act
of creation, And talk to me about something called which
William Wayne Craig it's called simultaneous causation, and I was
thinking about it. I'm like, well, what simultaneous means at
the same time? So how does it make sense for
time to be created at the same time as itself?
(34:23):
Or am I mentioning something there is that simultaneous causation?
Does that make any sense to you?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
But maybe, I mean, William Lane Craig isn't a He's
not a slouch, so I'm sure that he has at
least some sort of metaphysical language to try to explain
what's actually going on there.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Just the just the phrase simultaneous creation, It kind of
or causation kind of is an oxymoron, isn't it. It
seems it seems weird.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But minder studying is that some philosophers take it seriously,
and these aren't like just theist philosophers. I don't understand it,
but you know, maybe there is some way to make
sense of it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
People try to make sense of Zeno's paradox. So you go,
that's fair.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Okay, well that's basically only had that. I don't want
to take too much of your time if there's a
faus on theline. But I thank you very much for
taking my call and answering some of my questions.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
And I do well.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you calling in. It's good
to talk to you in person.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah you took and yeah, I'm discorded and.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right, yeah we talked at this. Yeah, awesome, So thanks
again for calling in.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Appreciate it, Thank you guy very much.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I you know, what I think is awesome is that
we've actually got callers who are calling in to talk
to you. That's odd, that's great.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I feel I feel like that I should be I
feel like that shouldn't be happening right, Like it's you know,
whatever I co host with anybody on anything. I'm like,
it should be like fifty to fifty, right, it should
be relatively bounced.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I feel bad. No, I think It's awesome when people
calling and talk to the guests because I'm here all
the time, so I can take I can take calls whenever. Right,
But when I got somebody who is actually good at
something in a field and can actually handle questions that
I can't handle, it's freaking awesome to have callers call
in and talk to the guests like this. It's it
to me. I think this is the best that could happen.
(36:07):
So yeah, I'm digging on this. This is great. Plus
I don't have to write.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, then I won't feel bad.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, don't, don't. Plus I don't have to work, so
this is even more better. It's more better I were
an English major. All right, we have another call, though,
we might as well get to. It's Jim from Florida,
and he says, trans the Transtheism to fight for faith
(36:33):
to include deism, trans Theism, et cetera. I'm not sure
exactly what that means. Hopefully Jim can elaborate on that
for us.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Hi, Jim, Oh, Hey, how you guys doing okay?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
How about your Okay?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I have it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I don't have a PhD. And uh in all this,
but the last two colors have impressed me a little bit,
just just wanting to have some conversations about where I'm
where I'm at my.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Faith and like how you guys feel about like.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Where you know, maybe be into a different direction. So
I'm I'm confused as far as I've been through a
plight that has started with a very uh you know,
orthodox uh way of way of living. And and so
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the last twenty years I've I've gone through that to
you know, in through education, to like finding out about
my faith. And so where I'm at now is is
more of a dis perspective.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I believe there's a higher power.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And and I get it that you're gonna ask me,
like what's my proof? But I but the reason for
my calling now is is that it's it's it's kind
of upsetting for me to see things.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
The way that I see.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Like I live here in in Florida and there's some uh,
you know, different perspectives of scientology down the road, and
I see people getting on buffes, you know, day after day,
and it upsets me and and I understand. So like
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my perspective is is like I'm I'm I kind of
know there's there's there's a there's a higher power out there,
but it's kind of a something that I'm not quite
sure about. So I'm an agnostic believer and I'm trying
to help people to move them to a different direction.
(38:48):
But I like your perspective.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
On Can I ask you a question, and it's not
going to be do you have proof of your God?
And I'm not going to ask you that one you
say you're moving more towards a say you're moving more
towards a deist ideology. What is a deist God actually
doing for you?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Adist God is providing a central direction?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Can you explain that a little bit better, because I'm
not sure exactly what that means.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Well, it's I mean, I've moved from from Greek Orthodox
when I was twenty one years old, and I moved
to Pantheists and now I'm I'm ideas and so I
believe because there I believe that there is And I
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get it. You guys are challenging me that that's what
you're that's what you guys are on stage to do.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But I'm actually here to have a conversation. I'm not
here to challenge people or try to change people's minds.
So I'm here to have a conversation and get an
idea of why people think the way they do so right, right.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Well, the reason why I feel the way I do
is because I've been through thirty years and I've tried
to understand people's plights of like where they are in
life and what's going on in the heavens. And that's
the way I you know, That's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I believe, I believe.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
There's an agnostic agnostic let me, let me finish agnostics feel.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I believe there's a higher power that.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
People do not understand yet, and so it may be
a vision that I'm not quite sure about.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
But you're not.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Sure about that either. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
And maybe I I maybe I didn't phrase my question. Well,
what you've moved to this the idea of this dis god, right,
this creator God that created the universe but then stepped
away from it and doesn't not.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
A theist, I'm not. I'm not a theist.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I didn't say the I said deist. Yeah, okay, so
you've moved away from this, You've moved away from Orthodoxy
to this idea that there's a creator God that is
impersonal towards the universe. He's created it, but no longer
cares about it, right, he just lets it go on
its own. So what I'm wondering, and maybe again, maybe
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like I asked the question not correctly to begin with,
But what I'm wondering is why did you move todasm?
What is deism providing you that you feel that you
still need?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Deism is a hope of us, It's the next chapter.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
So the next chapter of what I think you might
be confusing deism with something else, because deism is traditionally
understood to be that there is a creator God, but
that the creator God kind of just after creating, just
up and left and just didn't intervene at all. That's
how deism is traditionally understood. Maybe you mean something else.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Well, well, my form of deism is very different front
Well again, I'm like, you know, it's it's not perfect.
The world is not perfect. So I'm I'm in. I'm
in a perspective that I believe in a higher being
that we have not yet to understand.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Does this higher being interact with.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Doctor doctor Blith Kelly, You guys, you guys cannot tell
me one hundred percent that you understand what that higher
being means.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I want to. I'm trying to figure out what it
is that you actually believe. So what I can tell
you is I one percent don't know what you mean. Yes,
I don't know what you believe.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Well, my belief system is about there is a higher
being out there that that we don't yet know.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Do you believe that this higher being interacts with the
physical world?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Is that part of the physical world?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
No, not necessarily, No, that's not what I asked. I
asked you if you think this this higher being interacts
with the physical world. Does this higher being a fact
to what happens in.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
The world now?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Is it responsible for creating the world?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'm adea, That's why I'm ideas.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Okay, So so why why do you believe in this
god that does nothing? What does that do? What hole
is that feeling for you?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
What? What is that hole that's that filling?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Because yeah, I mean you're you obviously have you obviously
are believing in this god because you're trying to fill
something in your life, right, something in your in your
intellect or in your emotional being. What you're trying to
but you're trying to use this DEAs God as an
explanation for something, right, and I'm wondering what it is
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that you're using this God to explain, especially if this
God doesn't interact with anything.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
My God is a god that's going to hopefully take
care of the problems that have been going on here
in the world.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But that's not what a das God does though. But
God doesn't care about the problems in the world. Well,
it just sounds like you're it just sounds like you're
an agnostic theist. Yeah, like an open theist. I guess
it might be a better and more technical.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Term, so that that could be possibly.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I'm in an in aquest but it's not something that
I'm here to talk to you guys about, like your
spiritualism and what your understanding of it is.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
But I get it, my bad now.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm happy to answer any questions you have if you
I'm more than happy to answer them.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
No, I went through twenty twenty five years of this process.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I've been going through. I've gone through like fifty five
years of But I get it.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
And so where I'm at now is I'm just telling
you I believe that there is a higher I believe
there is a higher power that yet understand, okay, Kelly
doctor Blitz. And and so here in our small little
world that here we are and everybody is is like
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Christians and all of our every everything that we are
where where we're at, we have no clue, no clue
what this higher power can can be about. But I
believe that down the road there would be a higher
power who will present themselves not not like not the
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way that like people are like like here we are
in scripture and going to like Eastern and Western philosophy
is like you know, screw that ship. What I mean
is like like a a power that is beyond that.
And and yes, I can't explain that. And I know,
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Kelly doctor Blitz, you guys are going to be like,
oh yeah, you can't. You can't explain that either.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
So that's we're not we're not here to it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
But but what did you come on to talk about?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Because you haven't asked us any questions, you haven't tried
to defend any particular position, so it's just not clear
do you want us, do you want us to challenge
your position or do you want to ask us questions
or because otherwise it just sounds like you're saying what
you believe.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And that's well, well, I would like you guys, you
guys are both Are you guys agnostic agnostic atheists or.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Are you I'm an agnostic igseist something like that.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Yeah, okay, So, so you guys are not going to
position yourself to acknowledge anything that what I'm saying could
be true.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't think you're right, but I'm not saying that
what you're saying isn't true. All I'm saying is that
I have no reason to believe what you're saying is
true because I see no evidence of it. But what
you're saying could totally be true. And what I'm wondering
is why why you think it is true? And again,
and I've I've tried to ask us a couple of ways.
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You know, if if there's this God that we can't understand,
that we don't under that we don't know about it all,
what purpose is that god serving us? What if we
if there's a God that we can't know, why why
should we care?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
So let me give you an example is because I've
had friends who have had uh, their their their their
their family who they have not they had they raised
in a Catholic Church. And so what happened was they
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did not get through survival and she was devastated, which
is my my ex and my ex wife.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
My wife went to.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Painstakingly carible tragedy thinking about her child because she did
not go through baptism. And so what I'm trying to
talk about this is talk about truth wants right, truth wanted.
You guys want to talk to truth wanted. This is
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what I'm talking about, truth wanted. Truth is that people
that want to make a difference. I want to make
a difference in life. I want to make a difference
because I want to.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I want to make a difference, fuel back.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I want to peel back the layers. I want to
peel back the layers and I want to I want
to talk to people about their faith and I want
to I want to like get rid of the bullshit.
And it doesn't matter if you're atheist or if you're
a deist, but like we have we have a mission
to go through. There is a passion, there's a mission that.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
We have to go through.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
And like I'm going through this and I'm going to
talk to people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Don't can I stop you for a second, Can I
just stop you for one second. You keep talking about
there's this this thing that we have to do, there's
this process, there's this knowledge that we're going to get to.
But I don't understand what it is that you're talking about.
You've been very cryptic, I guess in your speech, so
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that when you talk about this spiritual thing, I don't
understand what it is that you're actually explaining or talking about.
You just keep kind of, like I say, keep using
this nebulous language that isn't really explaining what it is
that you're trying to tell us. Can you please be
a little more precise in your language at least? What
would be good is if you told us what you
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wanted out of this conversation. That's there. You go, thank you,
doctor Blitz.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Well, well, what I would like to know is what
you guys want to do out of these conversations, because
like for me, it's about a pilgrimage, it's about a faith,
and it's about like I'm pissed off about the fact
that like I'm here and I have people that are
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like being hosed or being into a different doctrine, and
I get it, like I'm close, I'm closely related to
truth wanting.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I'm closely most related to what you have to go.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
I spent three days listening to Christopher Vision, listen to
him on YouTube because he was he was the most
truthful man.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That I ever ever heard. All his shit was.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Like pure and simple in everything that he said. And so,
but my position is is that way, And I'm sorry, Like.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
What exactly, like, what exactly is your position?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I want?
Speaker 12 (50:48):
I want.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I want to believe in helping people.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
You can do that regardless of your religious beliefs. Nobody's
stopping you from helping people.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, your religion is nothing to do with how much
you help people.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Well it might be, it might be that way, but
from your regards, but I live here in a in
a different different zone, and and like there's people here
who are who are and.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's demonstrable, it's demonstrable atheists help other people all the time.
It's demonstrable that you don't need a belief in God
to help others. That's not something that's not just my
point of view. That is something that we can actually
prove and see.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
I get that, But I mean, hopefully you guys understand
all I want to do.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I want to help.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
People and and it's frustrating because I'm in a position
that makes me frustrated because of the faith. Whether I
wake up in the morning and I get people in
like you guys are not you know, atheists, fists, nobody
even knows about nobody understands what what.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
What that means we have.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
It's not even it's not even out there, like like
it's not even out there.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Like, yeah, we have nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
But now every day all I have to do is
I wake out, I wake up and I see people
that are like every day every faith that are trying
to convert, convert, convert, convert people in a different direction.
And I'm sorry if you guys think that I'm I'm
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like the the opposite person. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Jim, Jim, Jim, Wait, Jim, please stop for a minute,
because there's a couple of things going on here right.
First off, you're you're presuming that we are judging you,
and we are not doing that. So I would appreciate
it if you would stop that. You've done it several
times now. We are not judging you. We're not trying
to offend you, we're not trying to put you on
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the defensive. We're just trying to have a conversation with you. Okay,
this is not atheist experience, right, I'm not here to
be confrontational. That's that's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
The second thing is, and you've said several times, I
just want to help people. What do you want to
help people to do? We still haven't figured out what
it is that you're trying to do here. What is
your goal? What is the point of this call? You
still get, like I said, you keep saying, well, I
want to help people to do? What Jim? What is
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it that you want to help people to do? Did
you just say veritas, yes, truth? Okay, Jim.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
It sounds like like I know that you said you
had some stuff going on. It sounds like you sounds
like you have some stuff to work through. I understand
that you had some trauma in your past and that
you're seeing a world that doesn't seem to be the world.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
That you that you'd like to see.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It might be a good idea to just, you know,
go collect your thoughts, think about think about this, and
you can come back when you've kind of established what
exactly it is you want to do, what exactly it
is you want to talk with us? About this kind
of seemed like you wanted to come on and like event,
which is I guess it's okay, but you know, I
don't know how we can help you here.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Still there, Jim, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
No, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Thanks for at least listening and give me a perspective.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Sure, sure, same time. And you know, feel free to
call back check in with us about you know, let
us know how your journey is going.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Good luck?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
All right, good luck. We all have a path to walk,
and we all can't walk the same one, unfortunately. Otherwise
i'd tell you which way to go. It's probably a
Johnny Cash song. Huh, It's more like a Dead song, believe,
a Grateful Dead song.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, yes it sounds like Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Give yeah, it does kind of sound that way too.
But I was thinking of a song called the Ripple
by the Grateful Dead. That wasn't the actual lyrics, but
that is the gist of yeah, the inspiration of course. Yes, yeah,
we have got a lot of phone calls here, so
I got another one just for you. So we're gonna
go to dance Canada. Does doctor blitz blitz blicks plea
(54:59):
story about that. Yeah, I think the pyramid power plant
theory could possibly work. Hey Dan, what's up?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Hey folks?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
How to end?
Speaker 10 (55:07):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (55:07):
Thanks for taking my call? First off, So are you
both familiar with the pyramid power plant theory?
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, I am. I would call it a shower thought,
but I am familiar.
Speaker 12 (55:19):
Yes, Perhaps theory is too strong a word. Shower thought
is up there. So I was just wondering what the
physics breakdown would be if you tried to following their diagram,
feed iron to vinegar to produce hydrogen and then compress
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it with water pressure to produce microwaves, because clearly there
was a ship that needed a recharge over the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
So the trouble is is that microwaves are not made
by just doing anything to chemicals. Microwaves, as far as
we know how to generate them, are generated with an
antenna or with a giant magnetron. That's just big coil
of copper wire in your in your microwave oven. And
they didn't have that, right, I mean, like they may
have had They may have had access to some weird chemistry,
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like people have been playing with chemicals for thousands of years.
But I am very very skeptical that they knew anything
about producing electromagnets, which is what you need to do
if you want to make microwaves.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm skeptical about that, you.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Know, I mean, yeah, it just doesn't work, like and
like people point to the bagdad bag dad battery. There's
no evidence that they knew anything about electricity though, Like
maybe they knew that if you combine this lemon juice
with these metals, it feels funny when you touch it.
But that's about it.
Speaker 12 (56:36):
I was really hoping there was going to be more
to take in this apart.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Uh, It's it's incredibly easy to take apart most pseudoscience theories.
It's incredibly easy to take apart most of them, not all,
but most.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
A word of advice with regards to taking things apart,
don't take apart your microwave, even in old used one,
and then hook it up to a sixty volt battery
or six or to your outlet. It will kill you,
no joke. People have died. Don't do it.
Speaker 12 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, that one's a dangerous game. Well, I don't
really have too much more. I just wanted to actually
ask somebody about this, So thanks for enduring me.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Thanks for being here, Dana.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, thanks, Dan, appreciate it. I always enjoy your calls.
I always I always feel like we're bursting all your bubbles.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
Man, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, maybe it is, Maybe it is, all right, So
thanks again for Collin. I guess so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (57:36):
Thank you, gentlemen. I'll let you get to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Thanks a lot. I always enjoyed talking to you. I
always enjoyed listening to uh Dan, smooth voice.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
What what's the what's the saying? A face for radio
and a voice for newspaper.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Right, That's that's what I always say. I'm not I'm
not allowed to do self deprecating humor anymore. So, and
next we have Jasmine. She her from Canada. Christian schools
and compromised beliefs is the subject that's kind of open,
so we'll see what she can elaborate on. High Jasmine,
(58:13):
how are you good?
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 10 (58:15):
My question to you is, there's a lot of Christian schools,
Christian private schools up here, and their jobs pay really well.
Would you guys compromise your beliefs to get these well
pained jobs in schools even though you don't.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Believe I will, so I think it depends. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
So there are schools where I grew up that are
nominally Catholic schools, but they're just good schools. And I
think that I would, like, you know, as long as
there's no like actual you know, pledges of faith that
you have to make, I would be comfortable teaching there
in sovaras you know, even Catholic kids deserve a good education, right,
I would never want to go work at a place
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where you have to make a pledge of faith. Though
that this is less an issue of am I willing
to compromise my beliefs for the paycheck?
Speaker 1 (59:02):
And more?
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Could I actually convince myself to lie like that, like,
because I would be lying. Right, you can't just change
your bleaks on a whim. So I mean, I guess,
if the bags really good, go for it.
Speaker 10 (59:14):
But well, even though I believe you know that the
schools up here a gang more bold Knowledge, do they
want pledges? I believe, but they want you to demonstrate
quote unquote a Christian lifestyle and uh, you know, I
have a proof of attendance of church for example, what
you know these things? Some reason the lead schools up
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here are gang more Bolden and they're also getting more
conservative too, So if you're kind of Christian that doesn't
believe in, you know, beat down of LGBTQ or maybe
discriminating or misogyny or that it's but these schools they
pay really well. So uh me, personally, I'd be compromised
because I'm more left leading and not as conservative as
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some of the Christian schools, but they pay so well.
I don't know if it's ethical to kind of half
lie about your belief You know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Here's the thing, it's wildly ethical to take money from
bad people. That's one of the most ethical things that
you can do. So hey, if you can sneak in
under the radar without having to you know, do anything.
This is not legal advice, by the way. Sneak under
the radar without having, you know, without having to feel
bad about yourself and teach some kids who deserve a
good education and take money from rich nutjobs.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Go for it. Yeah. I was going to say, it
doesn't matter what we think, you know what I am?
Speaker 10 (01:00:33):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Sorry go ahead, Jasmine, Sorry, well, you.
Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Know weft they're like because I be aiming for like
science teaching and left They're like because I kind of
specialize in biology left, they're compromising the science.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Oh yeah, that's tough, right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I mean if I was in that if I was
in that position, I would probably try to secretly teach
it and then get fired. Like that's probably just what
would inevitably happen, because I wouldn't be like, you know,
it's it's one thing to lie to your employer, it's
another thing to light to kids.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I don't know if this is relevant or anything, but
I one of my best friend's geologist needed a part
time job, started working at a Catholic school, teaching science
Catholic elementary school, and he did it for two years,
and the second year they told him if he wanted
to keep his job, he started he had to start
teaching a second class about Catholicism. Now he was not
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a Catholic. He was a Christian, but he was not
a Catholic. And he ended up going ahead and key
and teaching the class just because he wanted to keep
the job. So, I mean, he didn't feel like it
was fair for him to be put into that position,
but he really needed the part time job, so he
did it. So what I was going to say is
it doesn't really matter what I think about it or
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what doctor Blitz thinks about it. What really matters is
what you think about it and how does that fit
your moral schematics.
Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
Well, honestly, I kind of feel rose, you know, I
don't believe on beatdown of l gbt or misogyny or
you know. And the other thing is, I'm divorced, so
I don't know some of these conservative even discriminate against
divorce people. You know, I just feel gross, but they
pay so well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So not trying to convince you or anything, because this
is a decision you have to make, but there is
value in being like a friendly face to you know,
potentially LGBTQ kids in an otherwise hostile environment that like,
you know, I don't know this from experience, but I'm
very aware through stories that I've heard that, you know,
the one teacher at the school who doesn't threaten to
(01:02:37):
call your parents if you like are you know openly
LGBTQ is the teacher that a lot of these kids need, So,
you know, like there might be value in that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
So that's another thing to consider.
Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
That's true.
Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
I guess that's my own questions. I don't know how
you guys being complete non believers feel about, you know,
lying about being Christian if you had to be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
But oh well, I couldn't.
Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Just feel like I'm partially lying, like.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I couldn't do it, but it has nothing to do
with Christianity. I just couldn't lie.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I couldn't do it because I was bar mitstud they
wouldn't believe me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Any response to that chest. I know, I had a
hard time from that one too.
Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
I mean, it's a hard choice, isn't it Like it'd
be a hard choice for anybody, regardless of belief or not.
You know, it's not it's like I said, it does
feel kind of gross. But maybe I can make a
difference by attending schools that that are teaching at schools
that I don't necessarily align with. But you know, to me,
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it's it's kind of sickening that they're sort of pushing it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
You know.
Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
Maybe I think you should come by belief willingly and
not push it on to kids. But uh, you know,
like I said, the mine is just so good, you know,
with these these particular schools, these private schools, and there's
a lot of them up here too. This province, this
province tends to be very very conservative.
Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Keep in mind the money is so good because they're
having a hard time finding good teachers because they're so restrictive.
That's like, like this, it should I mean, there's a
reason why undesirable jobs tend to pay very, very highly,
and it's because they're undesirable. So maybe that means that
you shouldn't take the job even though you know you
could use the money, because you might be miserable.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Or another take on it is you might want to
try to take that job for you know, a couple
of months, to see how you feel after three months too,
you know, and if you feel like you can still
stomach it after three months, you can stick with it,
and if not, you can always move on to something
else again.
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Awful, true, I guess thank you for your perspective that
really it's really helped me think about things. I don't
really have any more questions.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Well I call Yeah, thank you for calling in, Jasmine,
And if you'd like, you can call us back and
let us know how things are going for you, how
things worked out? Okay, Thank you cool, Thank you very
much for calling in. Appreciate it. Take care. We've had
a lot of pretty easy calls tonight, for the most part.
A lot of quick ones popping them through. Man. Yeah,
and we got one more call, and we've got about
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ten minutes left the show and one more call, so
let's get to it. It's d from Iowa. They them.
She wanted to comment on one of our previous callers,
so hide, how are.
Speaker 13 (01:05:21):
You hey, Kelly? Hello, doctor Blitz. Awesome name, by the way,
love it. Yeah, I wanted to. I kind of wanted
to comment on the deist caller, and I do kind
of I do agree with doctor Blitz that the particular
(01:05:43):
belief he expressed really doesn't sound like deism at all,
because it sounds like he believes that this deity could
be persuaded to take an active interest in our world
and our affairs.
Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Right, he's God now, but we can convince him not
to be right.
Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Right right, And at the beginning he he mentioned trans theism,
which may be a little closer. But I'm not here
to really handhold his beliefs. That's not my place. What
I what I do want to say is that it's
it sounds like an incredibly lonely position, kind of like
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people who are looking for God to show up and
tell us what's what, or take a hand and start actively.
You know, I don't know, I don't know if it's
a save us thing or at least, you know, show
up and be present. Kind of like the castaway tending
(01:06:53):
a signal fire on a desert island and it sounds
incredibly lonely. And instead of looking to a deity who
make you feel better, take a look at what is
really important to you, and then find your niche to
actually do something about those things, whether you know, whether
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it's calling, call in shows. He expressed, he expressed his
wish to make a difference in the world. And you
know you can.
Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
You can do this.
Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
You can do that, and you don't need a deity
to do it. Find your strengths, find your passion and
dig in and just start doing you know.
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Your family controller, yeah.
Speaker 13 (01:07:42):
Or you know, put down, you know, just let the
signal fire go out and depend on your ingenuity and
your strengths and your talents to make a difference. That's
the way real change and impact is made.
Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, it seemed like he was out there his community
and he just wanted to do something about it, but
he couldn't figure out how.
Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I mean I could. He's so passionate and I
respect that and that he really wants to do good
and I think that is awesome. So just you had
the strength to call in and express that, I'll bet
you you've got the strength to maybe write a letter
to the editor or you know, talk to somebody about,
(01:08:30):
you know, pain and how to help other people who
are in pain, how to help other people find their meaning.
There are so many things. It just depends on what
your passion is and what your strengths are and being
willing to put yourself out there and do something.
Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, it takes you find or fulfilling.
Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I say it all the time too, and it doesn't.
And people always think that if I'm going to do something,
it's got to be something big, you know, and so
they get intimidated by that I can't do this big,
huge thing. There's are so many things that change and
what am I going to do? That's not the way
to think of it. You look at something small in
your own community and you start to work on that
because that's because those are the things that needed, those
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are the things that are important, Those little things in
your community, things that are actually affecting your life day
to day, And that's where you start out at with
those little things. And I say it all the time,
each tiny candle light our corner of the world.
Speaker 13 (01:09:24):
So right, well, and then and and you never know,
those those local things can can have repercussions up the line,
you know, maybe from your school board to your state
education uh, you know officials, or or starting with writing
letters to the editor, you know, being a thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Uh, attending local attending local school board meetings, attending local
city council meetings.
Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yeah, And there's a lot of things you can do
right in your neighborhood, right.
Speaker 13 (01:09:59):
And you can be secular or you can be a
seius and it really doesn't matter either way if you
are working for the betterment the betterment of people around you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I just don't let the I don't let people buy
a fifteen foot holl monstrous statue of them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I was gonna say, I'm glad I wasn't the only
one thinking about it.
Speaker 13 (01:10:24):
Yeah, really, only you. That's all right, I love it anyway.
That was all I had, Guys, Thanks for taking my call.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
I always appreciate it. I always enjoyed talking to the issues. Right,
bye bye, And that's it. That was all on calls.
We've got four to day.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
It was quite a good uh, quite less significantly less
combative than last time.
Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, yeah, it was a good It was a good show.
Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Me.
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I was really happy. We had a lot of good
calls and uh, and it wasn't that combative. So that's
two big pluses. I gotta say, I want to thank
you for being on the show. You were amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Well, why thank you? I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
And if if our audience wanted to find you and
learn more about you, where could they go to? Yeah,
so you'll find me primarily on TikTok. If you look
look up doctor Blitz or Blitz PhD depending you'll find
me there. Also you'll find me on YouTube. My livestream
on YouTube as well as on TikTok five nights a week.
I also post videos there and do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
And if you are curious where the name doctor Blitz
comes from, that is a closely kept secret.
Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Nice no spoilers, noice. I love that. And I want
to thank Eli for hoping out so we can bring
Eli back up here. I remember, hey, guys, hey guys,
you shots on the show.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
No, I was really excited to be here. Listening to
you talk about the Daisi report at the beginning was
like Christmas morning for me.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
So it's a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I'm an enthusiast of the same. So yeah, thanks
for letting me back you guys up. I was glad
to be here and look forward to another one sometime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Well, thank you, Eli, and I want to reiterate while
you're here. Just reminded me why reiterate? Reiterate? I can
say that toy boat, toy boat, toy boat, reiterate the
segment we want the truth. The prompt for next week
is name a time when protesting would be an overreaction.
Comment on the video below. Do your comments below, not
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in the live chat, and we may read your answer
on next week's episode. So tune in next week at
the beginning an episode to see if we do read
yours as one of the top three answers, and stick
around because I will be going to the atheist community
at Discord. I think ELI might stop in. I don't
think doctor Bitz is gonna make it because he's uh,
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three to three thirty in the morning on it for him,
So I don't I don't blame you for non showing
up at all. I'm going too bad. Yeah, I don't
have to.
Speaker 8 (01:12:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
I'm surprised you were here. Up, it's laid out already.
So with that, I want to thank everybody for tuning
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going to be. And Robert Connittzer sent us ninety nine dollars,
sent us a superstick or a face without a mouth,
And so we did not get my five super chats.
We're just going to have to wait to see my
dragon at a later time. Although if you come to
the after show, I might show you another dragon. So
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One of the things I often hear Christians say is
that while science changes, the Bible never does, which somehow
goes to prove its veracity. I'm not sure how, but
why does science change and religion doesn't. Science is rooted
in evidence, experimentation, and observation. As we get better tools
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Speaker 2 (02:05):
How you doing, doctor, I'm doing all right. I don't
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I'm so glad to have you back here. I know
you were here a couple of about two months ago
with with Dan something like that. Yeah, I'm somewhere around there,
so it's good to have you back here. You, I
thought you did a great episode. Then I'm really honored
to be able to be too kind. No, seriously, I'm
honored to be able to the co host with you today.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So likewise, likewise I've seen I've seen a lot from you.
I guess we haven't well, I guess we kind of
did have a brief chat last time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I'm always around as the backup post, so yeah,
unless unless I'm hosting. So yeah, right, So what do
we got today? So what have we got today? Hopefully
we have lots of calls coming in. I know we've
got one already, but I wanted to talk to you
a little bit about your background and what and what
do you know? So you know, you want to give
us a little back, a little idea, give our viewers
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a little bit idea of your background and where you're
coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, so I hail from the distant, far off land
of the Czech Republic. I'm not checking. I am American.
I'm a physicist of the mathematical variety by trade, by training,
if you will. I also like and enjoy confrontation a
little bit too much, so I find myself in places
like this where we talk to random people on the
internet and hopefully get into arguments that are good faith
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and fun for everybody involved. Like I said, I do
physics as is my day job. I'm you know, I'm
a researcher. I work at a university, and I thoroughly
enjoy Einstein's work and I hate anything that has quantum
in its name. That's not true, but you know, quantum
quantum mechanics are scary.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I almost I actually almost did a cold open about
some of the opposition to Einstein when you first published
The During of Relativity. In some of this because there
was a lot of opposition to it at first.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, I mean it was paradigm shifting right, And so
of course, of course paradigm shifts are going to take opposition,
and then when you prove it right, well, then your
paradigm shifts.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
One of the things that got me too was like
a resurgence of substantial, substantial, substantian subs I can't say it,
but the idea that like forces like gravity were a
substance and not a force.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I didn't know about that. But I don't know a
whole lot about the history of some of these things.
You know, I know the landmark experiments, if you will,
But ask me what people were fighting about in the
you know, in the philosophical literature at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough specialities interest Like I've
always had a huge interest in science and in history.
So the history of science has been really fascinating to me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So I did have the opportunity this was just a delight.
So a few months back, not a few months back,
this was last fall, I had the chance to meet
Roger Penrose, which was something special. But same week I
also got to see Isaac Newton's personal first edition copy
of The Principia in the Red Library, and it has
his handwriting in it like he was making edit because
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he was you know, it was the first edition, so
he was editing for a second. It was so like
I could appreciate some science history here.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Cool, cool, cool. I got to kind of similar. I
got to see a specimen of It wasn't a really
good specimen either, of Chrysacola. That was given by Fredrick Koons,
who is the guy who made our current list of
birthstones that we use. He worked for Tiffany's around the
turn of the century. But he gave it, I know, right,
(06:13):
And it was a handwritten label from him to Thomas
Edison who he had given this this specimen too. So
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That is really cool. There is something there is something
neat about old scientific artifacts, if you will. And I
guess that ties in kind of well to the poll.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, you know, we have our own artifacts, we have
our own heroes, and maybe it is a religion. Maybe
we were wrong this whole time.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We just we have laboratories instead of churches, right, classrooms
where lecturers preach. Yeah, and there you go, there you go.
Eli is a little surprised in the background that we're
sticking up his religion.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, you know, the more you say it, maybe
it's true. Maybe it's true at least it has the
trapping of religion. But perhaps that's not so surprising because
the first universities were run by religious folk, right, they
were religious institutions, So maybe it's not so surprising that
they kind of have these trappings of you know, religious
kind of feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That was I mean, it was because that day when
you're only ones that had money during the Dark Ages, right,
So if you wanted an education, you just had to
join the church.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You had no choice.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, it's a I mean like and so you know,
you go look at some of these ancient, ancient universities
and yeah, they look like churches. M m.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And a lot of them were actually started as as
theological institutions, from what I understand, a lot of I.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Think I think Cambridge was originally theological institution.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Right, right exactly, That's exactly the one I was thinking of.
I knew it was Cambridge Direxford, I was going to say,
because I didn't want to get it wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I don't remember which one was first, but yeah,
that's where I met Penrose. It was at Cambridge so yeah,
it's a if you like scientific artifacts, that's the place
to go have a lot of neat things. Also, the
pub where Watson and Creek stole their idea about DNA
from Rosalind Franklin. It's also in Cambridge and you can
go eat there and that's really neat too.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's awesome. See, that's the kind of stuff I would
enjoy doing. It's the best kind of tourism. Side tourism,
great tourism. I know you were worried about getting a
little fuzzy. I see me getting fuzzy on the on
the feed right now. I'm hoping my my connection is
working ron okay, thinks okay, hopefully, it seems sometimes it
seems like it goes in and out. I have no
idea why. I really don't, because everything should be working
(08:32):
fine here.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's the magic crystals that are uh, somebody's using to
cast a spell on you.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's all the it's all the energy coming from behind
the wall behind you. It's the rocks. It's the rocks.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Rocks have a magic in them. I guess that's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
What they tell me. I still haven't figured out how
or why or where it's coming from. But that's what
they tell me. I'm pretty sure it's that orange one
behind you. That's a mango.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oh yeah, well, well you have a mango on your
rock wall.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's a long story, but I was on atheist experience
once with the Cross Examiner, and we had a guy
and call me up and told me that told us
that God was like a mango. Oh, and he had
a really tortured explanation of why God was like a mango,
and it turned into a pretty funny call and we
all laughed about it for weeks. So I ended up
getting the mango on myself because is it Is it real? No,
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it's not a real mango.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh, I was gonna say you you must have to
replace it quite frequently.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's a plastic mango.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I've never seen a mango of that color. I'm not
gonna lie. Usually they're like more greenish yellowish, yeah, right,
a little bit, maybe a little bit of red here
and there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They're usually a little bit bigger than this too. It's
pretty small for a mango. Yeah, there's a little bit
of green on it. There you go, and ye okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I can see that. As a mango offician. I'm
not a mangofician audio. But I have a fond with mango,
so maybe I should be the expert.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
On You know, you just gotta believe he's got to
have faith and you can learn now all we want
about mangoes.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, mangology is a very sophisticated field and it
requires years of training if you want to study its
proper way.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That was good, I got me, and it might see.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
See there's a there's a trend in my Ah. Yes,
I did mention this, but I engage in these online
argument things quite frequently. I have my own channel, but
I'm not going to plug myself. But last week or so,
well I will at the end. Last week or so,
some guy came on who is a flat earther, which
is always fun, right. He came on and we were
talking about natural science, and I tried to convince He
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tried to convince me that I didn't know what science was.
So I pulled up the definition. It said natural science,
and I asked him to give me an example of
the natural science. I assumed he would have just said
biology or something. He struggled for a minute or so
to come up with an example, and then he said
plantology and so ever since then, you'll see people in
my chat, and I imagine that there are people in
this in the YouTube chat right now just screaming like
something ending in ology, just some random word like plantology
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or mangology. So that's what I was referencing there.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But it is now that I've explained the joke, it's
lest that is really funny. Plantology.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had a strad a guy come in that store
a few weeks ago that was trying to convince me
that that he first here. He drew a line of circles,
two lines of circles right next to each other, and
told me that this is like an atomic lattice, and
that the little triangles in between the circles, the ones
I'm pointing up were positive and the ones pointing down,
we're negative. So it creates this magnetic field, and that's
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what really holds everything together, is this magnetic field. And
the Sun is positive, right, so everything grows towards the
Sun because everything from the Earth is negative. So the
magnetism between the Sun and the Earth makes everything growth
towards the Sun. You're gonna make me cry, I could, dude.
I was like freaking out on this guy. I just
(11:49):
I wanted to hear more, you know, but he was
in a hurry. He promised to come back and talk
to me some more, though, so I'm keeping my fingers
crossed and he shows back because I was having a
lot of fun with that one. You don't believe some
of the people we get inside the crystal store. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I actually think I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's amazing. It's amazing. I've had people come in and
talking tell me about the nuclear war that happened before
that that actually was responsible for the demise of Atlantis.
It was actually destroying war. Yeah, I actually heard that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I actually heard that there was a nuclear war on Mars.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I've heard that too. I've heard that too. This
guy told me he'd actually been to a nuclear power
plant ruined in Nevada that was over ten thousand years old,
and if you didn't know what it was, it would
just look like a bunch of rocks to you. But
if you knew what it was, then you could tell
it was that it was once a nuclear power plant,
but you had to know that that's what it was first.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't like these these enormous pillars underneath the pyramids
or something pyramids.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Have you have to know what you're looking for when
you look at these blurs and these blobs on this
horror radar. You know, if you don't know what you're
looking for, they don't look like pillars, but they're there.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I promise. I found that really interesting. Actually, I've always
wondered about I saw a theory that some that maybe
the inside of the pyramid was actually just a hill
that they built the pyramid around, and I thought that
was an interesting theory. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I imagine that it's known that it's solid.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, Yeah, but the hill would be solid too, right.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
They would just encase the hill inside rock and they'd
fill up any empty space. So it kind of it
would It would really save on building building materials, on labor.
It would save a lot. If you know, you started
out with the hill to begin with and just encase it,
you think that there'd be more hills then, right, Like
in the area there there there is there's a large
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escarpment to the east of where the pyramids are at,
so there are hills in the area. I know, it's
it's an interesting theory. It's I'm not going to say
it's true. It's an interesting theory that I thought that
made me go, hmm, I wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I feel like for how like they're right there, right,
the pyramids are in a place on Earth. You can
just go there. They're above ground. You can see them
with your eye. They're not microscopic. They're not like the
size of a black hole. They're not five klometers under
the water. Why don't we know more about them? Like
we should know, we should know more about them. They're
just there.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, right, Well, one of the problems is that we
can't like drill into it. We're not allowed to do that, right,
So we can't get we can only get so much
information like and even a lot of like the infant
like this these radar things that these columns that from
the radar that wasn't even an official survey being done.
That was a private thing that was done without permits
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and stuff. So you know, I don't know how reliable
that information is to even begin with.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So yeah, it's it's really I don't know. It is
like I get that they're very big, but I feel
like you should just be able to X ray it somehow.
I don't know how, but I feel like you should
just be able to X ray it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah you think, I guess you can't. I guess you can't. Yeah, no,
you really can't. You can do Oh, I'm trying to think.
I'm drawing a blank here, and I'm supposed to know
this kind of stuff. But they can do like a
magnetic resoning, resonating where they can find cavities and changes
in the density of the soil. So they can do that,
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but again, you need to be right above it. And
I don't think you're going to be able to go
through solid stone, you know, like a twenty ton block
of stone to get readings underneath it. So I'm not
sure we can do that yet, hear me out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So certainly particle accelerator could get through. Just take a
particle accelerator and use that t X.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right, we'll get on that. I'll talk to my people
here people get a hold of my people will work out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, your people with the rocks, my people with the
particles will get it started.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, we do. We do have a bunch of callers,
but before we get to any calls, I need to
do the question of the week Before every week we do.
We want the truth segment, the WWT segment, and we
are going to have Eli Slack come on up and
to read off off the question and the answers from
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last week. Hi you Hi, how you doing? Hey guys,
how's it going?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Good?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Awesome?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yeah, I'll just get sorry because I know you got
some calls to get too. So last week we asked
you if atheists aren't in fox holes, where are they?
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Wrong?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Answers only. Number three from Know What says, unless it's
a humanitarian war, atheists are protesting war instead of in
the fox holes. I think yeah, generally true. Yeah, I
think most of the protesters likely.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Would be would be atheists.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I think Number two from Jason tech Lord if atheists
aren't in fox holes, where are they? Well, as a
former military member, you could find me off and in
line to the head for some for some gee dunk
or the scuttle butt. I know that means the fountain
or rumors. It's one of the it's it means both
of those Oh wait you said wrong answers only oops.
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And then number one from the real Uncle Freaky love
It says, where would this atheist rather be than in
a foxhole?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
In church a fox hole. They're not coming. Yeah, I agree,
not comfortable.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Neither is church.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So about those old churches that are just nice and
historic and they don't actually have anything going on in them?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Those are nice?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, maybe the foxhole would be more eventful, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'd feel safer in the church. I think that's true.
Church is safer. What do you prioritize? Yeah, all right,
that's it for me, guys. Well, what's our question for
next week?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Yeah, the question for next week is when would be
an inappropriate time to protest? That's going to be the
question for next week. So put your answers. Not in
the well you could. You can put it in the
live chat, but it won't count for it to count
for consideration. Put it in the comments after the video
is posted. When would be a bad time to protest?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
So?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
When would protesting be an overreaction? I apologize I miss
missrepresented When would protesting be an overreaction?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Doctor blitch? You have an answer? Answer?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So I thought about this long and hard, and the
most overreaction, the most you could protest, that would be
an overreaction. I think would be like when a travel
agency uses the papyrus fonts for any of their exotic trips,
like the Egypt or to like somewhere in the Middle East,
kind of like exotic, but not do exotic. That would
would be kind of inappropriate to protest that.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's fair. Is it inappropriate to protest? To protest? No,
I think it always can be.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Yeah, sometimes that's effective.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's called a counter protest.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Actually, yeah, many many many years ago, I was living
in a small town in Illinois, and there was several
hundred evangelical people showed up when they formed a cross
in the middle of the.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Town with the people's standing on the streets, and they
were there to protest abortion. And I saw one single
guy standing across the street all by himself, and he
had obviously gone behind one of the stores and ripped
a piece of cardboard off of a box out of
the trash, and he wrote on a sharpie, free choice.
And he just stood there, all by himself, across the
street from two hundred people. It was the fucking best
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protest I ever saw in my life. Yeah. Yeah, he
was like my hero for a week. Couple of weeks
after that.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
All right, I think it is time for me to
drop out.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now, guys, all right, well, thanks Eli, I appreciate you
coming up. We'll bring it back up at the end
of the show. Thanks a lot. And as Uh as
he mentioned, we do have quite a few calls stacking
up and I do want to get to him. But
before we do, I keep saying it, before we do,
I want to give a shout out to our patron
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of the week. Every single week we get the shout
out to one of our patrons that donates through tiny
dot cc slash patrio on tw for supporting this show.
And this wakes Patreon. Patreon is drum roll, it is
waiting for the Jonathan Hall there.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Thank you, Jonathan, and thank you to everyone who has
donated through Patreon to us, and every single penny of
that goes to keep the show going. I do not
make any money off of it. I wish I did,
but I don't. And with that, what do you think
you want to go ahead and take a call. Yeah,
let's do it, all right. I got Steve here from
(20:30):
calling from Nebraska. He him says there is evidence that
dark energy is a weakening over time, meaning that the
Big Rip theory slash hypothesis is incorrect, so then consequently
our universe very well may escape Pete that So Hi Steve,
how you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Yeah, Hi Kelly and doctor Blitz. A happy weekend everyone,
and we're allowing us the opportunity to discuss evidence suggesting
dark energy is weakening over time, implying the big Rip
theory is incorrect. So consequently then our universe very well
may escape faka Entropida. So you guys aren't familiar with
(21:10):
the research study titled DESI twenty twenty four. Yeah, the
logical constraints from the measurement very on acoustic consolations. I'm
guessing yeah, Ed.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Are you looking at the one that came out this
past March or are you looking at the one from
the April prior.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Twenty twenty four? I think the I six from last year.
I think they've come out with yes.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, So actually this is big news. In the middle
of last March, the DESI report or the DESI team
Dark Energy Spectroscopy Instrument Team for anybody who doesn't know,
they released their second data or they released their second
set of data including analysis of the new data, and
you're absolutely on the money. The first report when it
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first came out. The data on its own was consistent
with a constant dark energy. However, when combined with other
data like supernova data or like the cosmic microwave background
radiation data, it suggested that dark energy could be weakening.
In the new data release, which came out again, I
should stress about a month ago. Their new data is
now consistent with the dark with dark energy weakening, and
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if you combine that data with again the same sets
of other data like supernova data, cosmic bike wave background
radiation data, the evidence is even stronger now that dark
energy is indeed weakening. You should be a little bit
hesitant though, to draws any conclusions, because we don't have
a model to explain what dark energy is actually going
to do. Right, it's changing. We know that now, or
at least that seems to be the case. What it's
(22:37):
actually going to do is a little bit of a
trickier question to answer.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Okay, so I've also heard, and I don't know maybe
if you've heard such a thing, but that dark energy
is actually just an illusion of gravitational time dilation. Is
that something you've heard that it might not need?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, real, I'm familiar with the claim. So there's an
Australian or maybe he's a Kei we there's there's a
physicist and a few of his students who have been
talking about this model, called the Timescape cosmology model for
a good while. I think he first put it forward
in the early two thousands and it was kind of fringe,
and then I guess last year, maybe it was last year,
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he and his team, I think most of whom were
former students, did a new analysis of a particular data set,
which is a particularly common cosmological data set that's used
to analyze different models, called Pantheon plus I think is
the data set he used. It's supernova data and said, hey,
look this model that we have where instead of having
an expanding universe, an accelerating expansion in the universe, it's
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instead just a kind of a trick of time dilation.
This model actually better predicts the data that we see
in this Pantheon plus model Pantheon plus data set, than
the standard cosmogical model. And that might be true. I
briefly looked at the paper a while ago, but I
would just caution anyone from drawing any conclusions from a
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model that relies on only a single data set. If
it's the case that this model was consistent with other
data sets as well, great, we have a better model.
But as far as I know, they haven't checked anything
against other big or other different data sets that need
to be checked against.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Okay, so are you more of a fan of time
scape cosmology? Are you more of a fan of the
pathological constant cold dark matter model? Which model more accurately
represents how our universe is structured? Which would you consider
it be a better model?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think Timescape is probably flawed. There's an underlying assumption
there that I just think is incorrect, and I could
go into the detail of it, but I don't think
it's relevant. The point is is that there is a
like an unorthodox assumption about how general relativity behaves that's
required to make Timescape cosmology work. I just don't think
it's a good assumption. And while the cosmological constant land
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to CDM model it might not be right, it at
least seems more right than Timescape because it doesn't seem
to violate like our kind of the standard assumptions that
we get in general relativity.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Okay, so what at the apparent the universe's expansion is
a result of how time and distance are perceived in
different gravitational environments. Would you really wouldn't need a mysterious
dark energy to explain that? Would you could use?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It depends really, it really depends on the model. As
far as I'm aware. The trouble with the Timescape model
is it's basically impossible to actually sit down and do
explicit computations because the systems of equations get way way, way,
way too complicated, way too fast. So my understanding is
that you essentially have to use heuristics. So it might
be the case that you can figure out like some
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initial condition or some data set that will allow you
to get rid of dark energy. But I'm just not
sure if it works. But yeah, I mean, like if
it is correct, and I'll eat my hat and I'll
be happy to work on understanding you know, this new
kind of unorthodox assumption.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Okay, so what if there is dark energy and it
is indeed weakening over time, So eventually the universe's expansion,
the acceleration is going to slow down right to a
point where it may actually are no longer expanding. And
it's even possible right that the universe could then collapse
in on it. So, but then what if it gets
to a point of a near singularity and then it rebounds,
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and like, what if our universe is like eternally cyclical
and like was always here? Would that kill the column
causmological argument? Would that? Would that mean.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes, that's well, that prove that, wouldn't it would at
least make you think that you probably shouldn't take it seriously?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
What you what?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What a promoter of the cost of the clum argument
would say is they say, well, just because it might
be infinite into the future, or just because there may
have been prior instances of this doesn't mean that it's
infinite in the past. But of course that would be
kind of silly if like if if we know it,
if we know it'll go through a cycle forever into
the future, then now you have good reason to think
that it's cyclic forever into the past as well. I
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think that people would have significantly fewer uh significantly less bites,
let's say, for the Cloum cosmological argument, because no longer
could he say, ah, well, but then there was a
big bang and therefore there was a beginning, like it
just wouldn't work anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Okay, we'll be you know, I'll be interesting to see
what what what pans out on this and maybe we'll
never know what what was before, you know, before the
Big Bang. I mean that's probably that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Maybe maybe we will not absolutely, but.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
We can come up with some maybe some good guesses,
you know, the pre Bang cosmology, maybe some some kind somedays.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So I mean, look, that's what That's what me and
my colleagues are trying to do.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We do our best.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Oh yeah, you guys, keep up the good Okay, hey,
thanks for taking my call. Guys every big.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Weekends, thanks for colling. I didn't feel like I had
much to add to that, but what a great time. No, no, no,
it's not. Don't be sorry at all. That was great.
If anybody should be sorry to me because I have
no idea, you know, I had nothing to contribute. I
feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, I mean, you know, usually I wouldn't ramble
like that, but this was like this news is and
I made a prediction. I made a video about this.
For those who don't know any science can indication online.
Who would have thought, right? I made a video about this,
and I put in the description of the video that
I suspect somebody's going to want to know about prize
for this because this is, like, this is one of
the biggest scientists. If it pans out as correct, it's
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one of the biggest scientists scientific discoveries of the century easily,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
The beginning of the century for the most part.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Yeah, so like, like this is a big deal. So
it's fun to talk about. Cool, very very cool. Okay,
we still have quite a few calls, which is awesome.
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I think we will go on to our next call.
It is Omega Weapon for him from New York, falsifying
God and if can't and can't exists exist absence of
space time, referring to some of doctor Blitz's videos. So
(31:06):
I'm not quite sure if I explained that correctly. It's
not written maybe quite right, But hey, Omega Weapon, how
you doing.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Hey Kelly, Hey doctor Blitz, how are you guys?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm doing great. I inadvertently tried to give myself a
Heidelberg scar while shaving today, but other than that, I'm
doing Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I love the tie too, by the way, Thanks, So
I make my question more concise. Basically, doctor Blitz, I've
listened to you for quite a while now, and I've
heard a couple of conversations you've had with presuppositionalists in particular,
and it's about the definition of God, either of classical
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theism make any sense. Like my position is, if any
God has described as both spacetime independent and the creator,
it can't logically exclust because to even space something exists
if I'm that mistaken means as location in space time
or as space time itself, and creation and causation requires
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space I'm in order to happen in the first place.
So I just wanted to see if you agree with
those premises and go from there.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, generally speaking, like I'm with you on that,
Like when I'm thinking about a thing that exists, I'm
thinking about a thing in a place at a time.
But of course the theist classical or otherwise is going
to say, ah, but there's another type of existence, which
is some non spatio temporal existence that you might call
like I don't know metaphysical existence, and I don't know
what that means. But you know, that argument won't bite
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for anybody who actually believes that stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, And I was just wondering, like, because even you
know he is included, we always necessarily have to reference
space and time to identify that's been things in the
Fruth place. So how would it be then identifiable if
it's not a physical.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, yeah, it's it's I don't get it either,
But you know, we got to talk to people where
they sit, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, sometimes that's the only way that they can understand
it is we talk to them and we talk at
them from that angle, right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, It's it's a bit, it's a bit troublesome, right
because there and I don't know what the answer is,
but there is a mode of thinking that allows you
to think that there are things that are not spatio temporal,
and I maybe perhaps that's quite normal, Perhaps that's quite
normal for humans to do that. But I don't have
that mode of thinking. I don't even know what that means.
So when having these conversations, you just have to try
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to put yourself in their shoe and try to understand
what they're thinking.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And you know, it's tricky.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, And another question I had was in regard
to the data I had with the Stops and Samboy
and I have no doctor Voss, You've encountered that type
of stuff in the past, basically telling me that because
I said, how how can time be created? If creation
is a pre webon prerecord?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I mean, if time is a prerequisite for the act
of creation, And talk to me about something called which
William Wayne Craig it's called simultaneous causation, and I was
thinking about it. I'm like, well, what simultaneous means at
the same time? So how does it make sense for
time to be created at the same time as itself?
(34:23):
Or am I mentioning something there is that simultaneous causation?
Does that make any sense to you?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
But maybe, I mean, William Lane Craig isn't a He's
not a slouch, so I'm sure that he has at
least some sort of metaphysical language to try to explain
what's actually going on there.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Just the just the phrase simultaneous creation, It kind of
or causation kind of is an oxymoron, isn't it. It
seems it seems weird.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But minder studying is that some philosophers take it seriously,
and these aren't like just theist philosophers. I don't understand it,
but you know, maybe there is some way to make
sense of it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
People try to make sense of Zeno's paradox. So you go,
that's fair.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Okay, well that's basically only had that. I don't want
to take too much of your time if there's a
faus on theline. But I thank you very much for
taking my call and answering some of my questions.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
And I do well.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you calling in. It's good
to talk to you in person.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah you took and yeah, I'm discorded and.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right, yeah we talked at this. Yeah, awesome, So thanks
again for calling in.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Appreciate it, Thank you guy very much.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I you know, what I think is awesome is that
we've actually got callers who are calling in to talk
to you. That's odd, that's great.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I feel I feel like that I should be I
feel like that shouldn't be happening right, Like it's you know,
whatever I co host with anybody on anything. I'm like,
it should be like fifty to fifty, right, it should
be relatively bounced.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I feel bad. No, I think It's awesome when people
calling and talk to the guests because I'm here all
the time, so I can take I can take calls whenever. Right,
But when I got somebody who is actually good at
something in a field and can actually handle questions that
I can't handle, it's freaking awesome to have callers call
in and talk to the guests like this. It's it
to me. I think this is the best that could happen.
(36:07):
So yeah, I'm digging on this. This is great. Plus
I don't have to write.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, then I won't feel bad.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, don't, don't. Plus I don't have to work, so
this is even more better. It's more better I were
an English major. All right, we have another call, though,
we might as well get to. It's Jim from Florida,
and he says, trans the Transtheism to fight for faith
(36:33):
to include deism, trans Theism, et cetera. I'm not sure
exactly what that means. Hopefully Jim can elaborate on that
for us.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Hi, Jim, Oh, Hey, how you guys doing okay?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
How about your Okay?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I have it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I don't have a PhD. And uh in all this,
but the last two colors have impressed me a little bit,
just just wanting to have some conversations about where I'm
where I'm at my.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Faith and like how you guys feel about like.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Where you know, maybe be into a different direction. So
I'm I'm confused as far as I've been through a
plight that has started with a very uh you know,
orthodox uh way of way of living. And and so
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the last twenty years I've I've gone through that to
you know, in through education, to like finding out about
my faith. And so where I'm at now is is
more of a dis perspective.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I believe there's a higher power.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And and I get it that you're gonna ask me,
like what's my proof? But I but the reason for
my calling now is is that it's it's it's kind
of upsetting for me to see things.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
The way that I see.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Like I live here in in Florida and there's some uh,
you know, different perspectives of scientology down the road, and
I see people getting on buffes, you know, day after day,
and it upsets me and and I understand. So like
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my perspective is is like I'm I'm I kind of
know there's there's there's a there's a higher power out there,
but it's kind of a something that I'm not quite
sure about. So I'm an agnostic believer and I'm trying
to help people to move them to a different direction.
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But I like your perspective.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
On Can I ask you a question, and it's not
going to be do you have proof of your God?
And I'm not going to ask you that one you
say you're moving more towards a say you're moving more
towards a deist ideology. What is a deist God actually
doing for you?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Adist God is providing a central direction?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Can you explain that a little bit better, because I'm
not sure exactly what that means.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Well, it's I mean, I've moved from from Greek Orthodox
when I was twenty one years old, and I moved
to Pantheists and now I'm I'm ideas and so I
believe because there I believe that there is And I
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get it. You guys are challenging me that that's what
you're that's what you guys are on stage to do.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But I'm actually here to have a conversation. I'm not
here to challenge people or try to change people's minds.
So I'm here to have a conversation and get an
idea of why people think the way they do so right, right.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Well, the reason why I feel the way I do
is because I've been through thirty years and I've tried
to understand people's plights of like where they are in
life and what's going on in the heavens. And that's
the way I you know, That's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I believe, I believe.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
There's an agnostic agnostic let me, let me finish agnostics feel.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I believe there's a higher power that.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
People do not understand yet, and so it may be
a vision that I'm not quite sure about.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
But you're not.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Sure about that either. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
And maybe I I maybe I didn't phrase my question. Well,
what you've moved to this the idea of this dis god, right,
this creator God that created the universe but then stepped
away from it and doesn't not.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
A theist, I'm not. I'm not a theist.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I didn't say the I said deist. Yeah, okay, so
you've moved away from this, You've moved away from Orthodoxy
to this idea that there's a creator God that is
impersonal towards the universe. He's created it, but no longer
cares about it, right, he just lets it go on
its own. So what I'm wondering, and maybe again, maybe
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like I asked the question not correctly to begin with,
But what I'm wondering is why did you move todasm?
What is deism providing you that you feel that you
still need?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Deism is a hope of us, It's the next chapter.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
So the next chapter of what I think you might
be confusing deism with something else, because deism is traditionally
understood to be that there is a creator God, but
that the creator God kind of just after creating, just
up and left and just didn't intervene at all. That's
how deism is traditionally understood. Maybe you mean something else.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Well, well, my form of deism is very different front
Well again, I'm like, you know, it's it's not perfect.
The world is not perfect. So I'm I'm in. I'm
in a perspective that I believe in a higher being
that we have not yet to understand.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Does this higher being interact with.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Doctor doctor Blith Kelly, You guys, you guys cannot tell
me one hundred percent that you understand what that higher
being means.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I want to. I'm trying to figure out what it
is that you actually believe. So what I can tell
you is I one percent don't know what you mean. Yes,
I don't know what you believe.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Well, my belief system is about there is a higher
being out there that that we don't yet know.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Do you believe that this higher being interacts with the
physical world?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Is that part of the physical world?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
No, not necessarily, No, that's not what I asked. I
asked you if you think this this higher being interacts
with the physical world. Does this higher being a fact
to what happens in.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
The world now?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Is it responsible for creating the world?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'm adea, That's why I'm ideas.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Okay, So so why why do you believe in this
god that does nothing? What does that do? What hole
is that feeling for you?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
What? What is that hole that's that filling?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Because yeah, I mean you're you obviously have you obviously
are believing in this god because you're trying to fill
something in your life, right, something in your in your
intellect or in your emotional being. What you're trying to
but you're trying to use this DEAs God as an
explanation for something, right, and I'm wondering what it is
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that you're using this God to explain, especially if this
God doesn't interact with anything.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
My God is a god that's going to hopefully take
care of the problems that have been going on here
in the world.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But that's not what a das God does though. But
God doesn't care about the problems in the world. Well,
it just sounds like you're it just sounds like you're
an agnostic theist. Yeah, like an open theist. I guess
it might be a better and more technical.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Term, so that that could be possibly.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I'm in an in aquest but it's not something that
I'm here to talk to you guys about, like your
spiritualism and what your understanding of it is.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
But I get it, my bad now.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm happy to answer any questions you have if you
I'm more than happy to answer them.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
No, I went through twenty twenty five years of this process.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I've been going through. I've gone through like fifty five
years of But I get it.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
And so where I'm at now is I'm just telling
you I believe that there is a higher I believe
there is a higher power that yet understand, okay, Kelly
doctor Blitz. And and so here in our small little
world that here we are and everybody is is like
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Christians and all of our every everything that we are
where where we're at, we have no clue, no clue
what this higher power can can be about. But I
believe that down the road there would be a higher
power who will present themselves not not like not the
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way that like people are like like here we are
in scripture and going to like Eastern and Western philosophy
is like you know, screw that ship. What I mean
is like like a a power that is beyond that.
And and yes, I can't explain that. And I know,
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Kelly doctor Blitz, you guys are going to be like,
oh yeah, you can't. You can't explain that either.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
So that's we're not we're not here to it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
But but what did you come on to talk about?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Because you haven't asked us any questions, you haven't tried
to defend any particular position, so it's just not clear
do you want us, do you want us to challenge
your position or do you want to ask us questions
or because otherwise it just sounds like you're saying what
you believe.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And that's well, well, I would like you guys, you
guys are both Are you guys agnostic agnostic atheists or.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Are you I'm an agnostic igseist something like that.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Yeah, okay, So, so you guys are not going to
position yourself to acknowledge anything that what I'm saying could
be true.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't think you're right, but I'm not saying that
what you're saying isn't true. All I'm saying is that
I have no reason to believe what you're saying is
true because I see no evidence of it. But what
you're saying could totally be true. And what I'm wondering
is why why you think it is true? And again,
and I've I've tried to ask us a couple of ways.
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You know, if if there's this God that we can't understand,
that we don't under that we don't know about it all,
what purpose is that god serving us? What if we
if there's a God that we can't know, why why
should we care?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
So let me give you an example is because I've
had friends who have had uh, their their their their
their family who they have not they had they raised
in a Catholic Church. And so what happened was they
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did not get through survival and she was devastated, which
is my my ex and my ex wife.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
My wife went to.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Painstakingly carible tragedy thinking about her child because she did
not go through baptism. And so what I'm trying to
talk about this is talk about truth wants right, truth wanted.
You guys want to talk to truth wanted. This is
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what I'm talking about, truth wanted. Truth is that people
that want to make a difference. I want to make
a difference in life. I want to make a difference
because I want to.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I want to make a difference, fuel back.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I want to peel back the layers. I want to
peel back the layers and I want to I want
to talk to people about their faith and I want
to I want to like get rid of the bullshit.
And it doesn't matter if you're atheist or if you're
a deist, but like we have we have a mission
to go through. There is a passion, there's a mission that.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
We have to go through.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
And like I'm going through this and I'm going to
talk to people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Don't can I stop you for a second, Can I
just stop you for one second. You keep talking about
there's this this thing that we have to do, there's
this process, there's this knowledge that we're going to get to.
But I don't understand what it is that you're talking about.
You've been very cryptic, I guess in your speech, so
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that when you talk about this spiritual thing, I don't
understand what it is that you're actually explaining or talking about.
You just keep kind of, like I say, keep using
this nebulous language that isn't really explaining what it is
that you're trying to tell us. Can you please be
a little more precise in your language at least? What
would be good is if you told us what you
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wanted out of this conversation. That's there. You go, thank you,
doctor Blitz.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Well, well, what I would like to know is what
you guys want to do out of these conversations, because
like for me, it's about a pilgrimage, it's about a faith,
and it's about like I'm pissed off about the fact
that like I'm here and I have people that are
(50:00):
like being hosed or being into a different doctrine, and
I get it, like I'm close, I'm closely related to
truth wanting.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I'm closely most related to what you have to go.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
I spent three days listening to Christopher Vision, listen to
him on YouTube because he was he was the most
truthful man.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That I ever ever heard. All his shit was.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Like pure and simple in everything that he said. And so,
but my position is is that way, And I'm sorry, Like.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
What exactly, like, what exactly is your position?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I want?
Speaker 12 (50:48):
I want.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I want to believe in helping people.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
You can do that regardless of your religious beliefs. Nobody's
stopping you from helping people.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, your religion is nothing to do with how much
you help people.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Well it might be, it might be that way, but
from your regards, but I live here in a in
a different different zone, and and like there's people here
who are who are and.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's demonstrable, it's demonstrable atheists help other people all the time.
It's demonstrable that you don't need a belief in God
to help others. That's not something that's not just my
point of view. That is something that we can actually
prove and see.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
I get that, But I mean, hopefully you guys understand
all I want to do.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I want to help.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
People and and it's frustrating because I'm in a position
that makes me frustrated because of the faith. Whether I
wake up in the morning and I get people in
like you guys are not you know, atheists, fists, nobody
even knows about nobody understands what what.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
What that means we have.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
It's not even it's not even out there, like like
it's not even out there.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Like, yeah, we have nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
But now every day all I have to do is
I wake out, I wake up and I see people
that are like every day every faith that are trying
to convert, convert, convert, convert people in a different direction.
And I'm sorry if you guys think that I'm I'm
(52:30):
like the the opposite person. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Jim, Jim, Jim, Wait, Jim, please stop for a minute,
because there's a couple of things going on here right.
First off, you're you're presuming that we are judging you,
and we are not doing that. So I would appreciate
it if you would stop that. You've done it several
times now. We are not judging you. We're not trying
to offend you, we're not trying to put you on
(52:54):
the defensive. We're just trying to have a conversation with you. Okay,
this is not atheist experience, right, I'm not here to
be confrontational. That's that's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
The second thing is, and you've said several times, I
just want to help people. What do you want to
help people to do? We still haven't figured out what
it is that you're trying to do here. What is
your goal? What is the point of this call? You
still get, like I said, you keep saying, well, I
want to help people to do? What Jim? What is
(53:26):
it that you want to help people to do? Did
you just say veritas, yes, truth? Okay, Jim.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
It sounds like like I know that you said you
had some stuff going on. It sounds like you sounds
like you have some stuff to work through. I understand
that you had some trauma in your past and that
you're seeing a world that doesn't seem to be the world.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
That you that you'd like to see.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It might be a good idea to just, you know,
go collect your thoughts, think about think about this, and
you can come back when you've kind of established what
exactly it is you want to do, what exactly it
is you want to talk with us? About this kind
of seemed like you wanted to come on and like event,
which is I guess it's okay, but you know, I
don't know how we can help you here.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Still there, Jim, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
No, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Thanks for at least listening and give me a perspective.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Sure, sure, same time. And you know, feel free to
call back check in with us about you know, let
us know how your journey is going.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Good luck?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
All right, good luck. We all have a path to walk,
and we all can't walk the same one, unfortunately. Otherwise
i'd tell you which way to go. It's probably a
Johnny Cash song. Huh, It's more like a Dead song, believe,
a Grateful Dead song.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, yes it sounds like Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Give yeah, it does kind of sound that way too.
But I was thinking of a song called the Ripple
by the Grateful Dead. That wasn't the actual lyrics, but
that is the gist of yeah, the inspiration of course. Yes, yeah,
we have got a lot of phone calls here, so
I got another one just for you. So we're gonna
go to dance Canada. Does doctor blitz blitz blicks plea
(54:59):
story about that. Yeah, I think the pyramid power plant
theory could possibly work. Hey Dan, what's up?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Hey folks?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
How to end?
Speaker 10 (55:07):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (55:07):
Thanks for taking my call? First off, So are you
both familiar with the pyramid power plant theory?
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, I am. I would call it a shower thought,
but I am familiar.
Speaker 12 (55:19):
Yes, Perhaps theory is too strong a word. Shower thought
is up there. So I was just wondering what the
physics breakdown would be if you tried to following their diagram,
feed iron to vinegar to produce hydrogen and then compress
(55:39):
it with water pressure to produce microwaves, because clearly there
was a ship that needed a recharge over the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
So the trouble is is that microwaves are not made
by just doing anything to chemicals. Microwaves, as far as
we know how to generate them, are generated with an
antenna or with a giant magnetron. That's just big coil
of copper wire in your in your microwave oven. And
they didn't have that, right, I mean, like they may
have had They may have had access to some weird chemistry,
(56:08):
like people have been playing with chemicals for thousands of years.
But I am very very skeptical that they knew anything
about producing electromagnets, which is what you need to do
if you want to make microwaves.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm skeptical about that, you.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Know, I mean, yeah, it just doesn't work, like and
like people point to the bagdad bag dad battery. There's
no evidence that they knew anything about electricity though, Like
maybe they knew that if you combine this lemon juice
with these metals, it feels funny when you touch it.
But that's about it.
Speaker 12 (56:36):
I was really hoping there was going to be more
to take in this apart.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Uh, It's it's incredibly easy to take apart most pseudoscience theories.
It's incredibly easy to take apart most of them, not all,
but most.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
A word of advice with regards to taking things apart,
don't take apart your microwave, even in old used one,
and then hook it up to a sixty volt battery
or six or to your outlet. It will kill you,
no joke. People have died. Don't do it.
Speaker 12 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, that one's a dangerous game. Well, I don't
really have too much more. I just wanted to actually
ask somebody about this, So thanks for enduring me.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Thanks for being here, Dana.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, thanks, Dan, appreciate it. I always enjoy your calls.
I always I always feel like we're bursting all your bubbles.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
Man, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, maybe it is, Maybe it is, all right, So
thanks again for Collin. I guess so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (57:36):
Thank you, gentlemen. I'll let you get to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Thanks a lot. I always enjoyed talking to you. I
always enjoyed listening to uh Dan, smooth voice.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
What what's the what's the saying? A face for radio
and a voice for newspaper.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Right, That's that's what I always say. I'm not I'm
not allowed to do self deprecating humor anymore. So, and
next we have Jasmine. She her from Canada. Christian schools
and compromised beliefs is the subject that's kind of open,
so we'll see what she can elaborate on. High Jasmine,
(58:13):
how are you good?
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 10 (58:15):
My question to you is, there's a lot of Christian schools,
Christian private schools up here, and their jobs pay really well.
Would you guys compromise your beliefs to get these well
pained jobs in schools even though you don't.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Believe I will, so I think it depends. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
So there are schools where I grew up that are
nominally Catholic schools, but they're just good schools. And I
think that I would, like, you know, as long as
there's no like actual you know, pledges of faith that
you have to make, I would be comfortable teaching there
in sovaras you know, even Catholic kids deserve a good education, right,
I would never want to go work at a place
(58:55):
where you have to make a pledge of faith. Though
that this is less an issue of am I willing
to compromise my beliefs for the paycheck?
Speaker 1 (59:02):
And more?
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Could I actually convince myself to lie like that, like,
because I would be lying. Right, you can't just change
your bleaks on a whim. So I mean, I guess,
if the bags really good, go for it.
Speaker 10 (59:14):
But well, even though I believe you know that the
schools up here a gang more bold Knowledge, do they
want pledges? I believe, but they want you to demonstrate
quote unquote a Christian lifestyle and uh, you know, I
have a proof of attendance of church for example, what
you know these things? Some reason the lead schools up
(59:34):
here are gang more Bolden and they're also getting more
conservative too, So if you're kind of Christian that doesn't
believe in, you know, beat down of LGBTQ or maybe
discriminating or misogyny or that it's but these schools they
pay really well. So uh me, personally, I'd be compromised
because I'm more left leading and not as conservative as
(59:58):
some of the Christian schools, but they pay so well.
I don't know if it's ethical to kind of half
lie about your belief You know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Here's the thing, it's wildly ethical to take money from
bad people. That's one of the most ethical things that
you can do. So hey, if you can sneak in
under the radar without having to you know, do anything.
This is not legal advice, by the way. Sneak under
the radar without having, you know, without having to feel
bad about yourself and teach some kids who deserve a
good education and take money from rich nutjobs.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Go for it. Yeah. I was going to say, it
doesn't matter what we think, you know what I am?
Speaker 10 (01:00:33):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Sorry go ahead, Jasmine, Sorry, well, you.
Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Know weft they're like because I be aiming for like
science teaching and left They're like because I kind of
specialize in biology left, they're compromising the science.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Oh yeah, that's tough, right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I mean if I was in that if I was
in that position, I would probably try to secretly teach
it and then get fired. Like that's probably just what
would inevitably happen, because I wouldn't be like, you know,
it's it's one thing to lie to your employer, it's
another thing to light to kids.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I don't know if this is relevant or anything, but
I one of my best friend's geologist needed a part
time job, started working at a Catholic school, teaching science
Catholic elementary school, and he did it for two years,
and the second year they told him if he wanted
to keep his job, he started he had to start
teaching a second class about Catholicism. Now he was not
(01:01:25):
a Catholic. He was a Christian, but he was not
a Catholic. And he ended up going ahead and key
and teaching the class just because he wanted to keep
the job. So, I mean, he didn't feel like it
was fair for him to be put into that position,
but he really needed the part time job, so he
did it. So what I was going to say is
it doesn't really matter what I think about it or
(01:01:47):
what doctor Blitz thinks about it. What really matters is
what you think about it and how does that fit
your moral schematics.
Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
Well, honestly, I kind of feel rose, you know, I
don't believe on beatdown of l gbt or misogyny or
you know. And the other thing is, I'm divorced, so
I don't know some of these conservative even discriminate against
divorce people. You know, I just feel gross, but they
pay so well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So not trying to convince you or anything, because this
is a decision you have to make, but there is
value in being like a friendly face to you know,
potentially LGBTQ kids in an otherwise hostile environment that like,
you know, I don't know this from experience, but I'm
very aware through stories that I've heard that, you know,
the one teacher at the school who doesn't threaten to
(01:02:37):
call your parents if you like are you know openly
LGBTQ is the teacher that a lot of these kids need, So,
you know, like there might be value in that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
So that's another thing to consider.
Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
That's true.
Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
I guess that's my own questions. I don't know how
you guys being complete non believers feel about, you know,
lying about being Christian if you had to be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
But oh well, I couldn't.
Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Just feel like I'm partially lying, like.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I couldn't do it, but it has nothing to do
with Christianity. I just couldn't lie.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I couldn't do it because I was bar mitstud they
wouldn't believe me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Any response to that chest. I know, I had a
hard time from that one too.
Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
I mean, it's a hard choice, isn't it Like it'd
be a hard choice for anybody, regardless of belief or not.
You know, it's not it's like I said, it does
feel kind of gross. But maybe I can make a
difference by attending schools that that are teaching at schools
that I don't necessarily align with. But you know, to me,
(01:03:45):
it's it's kind of sickening that they're sort of pushing it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
You know.
Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
Maybe I think you should come by belief willingly and
not push it on to kids. But uh, you know,
like I said, the mine is just so good, you know,
with these these particular schools, these private schools, and there's
a lot of them up here too. This province, this
province tends to be very very conservative.
Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Keep in mind the money is so good because they're
having a hard time finding good teachers because they're so restrictive.
That's like, like this, it should I mean, there's a
reason why undesirable jobs tend to pay very, very highly,
and it's because they're undesirable. So maybe that means that
you shouldn't take the job even though you know you
could use the money, because you might be miserable.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Or another take on it is you might want to
try to take that job for you know, a couple
of months, to see how you feel after three months too,
you know, and if you feel like you can still
stomach it after three months, you can stick with it,
and if not, you can always move on to something
else again.
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Awful, true, I guess thank you for your perspective that
really it's really helped me think about things. I don't
really have any more questions.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Well I call Yeah, thank you for calling in, Jasmine,
And if you'd like, you can call us back and
let us know how things are going for you, how
things worked out? Okay, Thank you cool, Thank you very
much for calling in. Appreciate it. Take care. We've had
a lot of pretty easy calls tonight, for the most part.
A lot of quick ones popping them through. Man. Yeah,
and we got one more call, and we've got about
(01:05:12):
ten minutes left the show and one more call, so
let's get to it. It's d from Iowa. They them.
She wanted to comment on one of our previous callers,
so hide, how are.
Speaker 13 (01:05:21):
You hey, Kelly? Hello, doctor Blitz. Awesome name, by the way,
love it. Yeah, I wanted to. I kind of wanted
to comment on the deist caller, and I do kind
of I do agree with doctor Blitz that the particular
(01:05:43):
belief he expressed really doesn't sound like deism at all,
because it sounds like he believes that this deity could
be persuaded to take an active interest in our world
and our affairs.
Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Right, he's God now, but we can convince him not
to be right.
Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Right right, And at the beginning he he mentioned trans theism,
which may be a little closer. But I'm not here
to really handhold his beliefs. That's not my place. What
I what I do want to say is that it's
it sounds like an incredibly lonely position, kind of like
(01:06:30):
people who are looking for God to show up and
tell us what's what, or take a hand and start actively.
You know, I don't know, I don't know if it's
a save us thing or at least, you know, show
up and be present. Kind of like the castaway tending
(01:06:53):
a signal fire on a desert island and it sounds
incredibly lonely. And instead of looking to a deity who
make you feel better, take a look at what is
really important to you, and then find your niche to
actually do something about those things, whether you know, whether
(01:07:15):
it's calling, call in shows. He expressed, he expressed his
wish to make a difference in the world. And you
know you can.
Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
You can do this.
Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
You can do that, and you don't need a deity
to do it. Find your strengths, find your passion and
dig in and just start doing you know.
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Your family controller, yeah.
Speaker 13 (01:07:42):
Or you know, put down, you know, just let the
signal fire go out and depend on your ingenuity and
your strengths and your talents to make a difference. That's
the way real change and impact is made.
Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, it seemed like he was out there his community
and he just wanted to do something about it, but
he couldn't figure out how.
Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I mean I could. He's so passionate and I
respect that and that he really wants to do good
and I think that is awesome. So just you had
the strength to call in and express that, I'll bet
you you've got the strength to maybe write a letter
to the editor or you know, talk to somebody about,
(01:08:30):
you know, pain and how to help other people who
are in pain, how to help other people find their meaning.
There are so many things. It just depends on what
your passion is and what your strengths are and being
willing to put yourself out there and do something.
Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, it takes you find or fulfilling.
Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I say it all the time too, and it doesn't.
And people always think that if I'm going to do something,
it's got to be something big, you know, and so
they get intimidated by that I can't do this big,
huge thing. There's are so many things that change and
what am I going to do? That's not the way
to think of it. You look at something small in
your own community and you start to work on that
because that's because those are the things that needed, those
(01:09:12):
are the things that are important, Those little things in
your community, things that are actually affecting your life day
to day, And that's where you start out at with
those little things. And I say it all the time,
each tiny candle light our corner of the world.
Speaker 13 (01:09:24):
So right, well, and then and and you never know,
those those local things can can have repercussions up the line,
you know, maybe from your school board to your state
education uh, you know officials, or or starting with writing
letters to the editor, you know, being a thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Uh, attending local attending local school board meetings, attending local
city council meetings.
Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yeah, And there's a lot of things you can do
right in your neighborhood, right.
Speaker 13 (01:09:59):
And you can be secular or you can be a
seius and it really doesn't matter either way if you
are working for the betterment the betterment of people around you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I just don't let the I don't let people buy
a fifteen foot holl monstrous statue of them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I was gonna say, I'm glad I wasn't the only
one thinking about it.
Speaker 13 (01:10:24):
Yeah, really, only you. That's all right, I love it anyway.
That was all I had, Guys, Thanks for taking my call.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
I always appreciate it. I always enjoyed talking to the issues. Right,
bye bye, And that's it. That was all on calls.
We've got four to day.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
It was quite a good uh, quite less significantly less
combative than last time.
Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, yeah, it was a good It was a good show.
Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Me.
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I was really happy. We had a lot of good
calls and uh, and it wasn't that combative. So that's
two big pluses. I gotta say, I want to thank
you for being on the show. You were amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Well, why thank you? I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
And if if our audience wanted to find you and
learn more about you, where could they go to? Yeah,
so you'll find me primarily on TikTok. If you look
look up doctor Blitz or Blitz PhD depending you'll find
me there. Also you'll find me on YouTube. My livestream
on YouTube as well as on TikTok five nights a week.
I also post videos there and do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
And if you are curious where the name doctor Blitz
comes from, that is a closely kept secret.
Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Nice no spoilers, noice. I love that. And I want
to thank Eli for hoping out so we can bring
Eli back up here. I remember, hey, guys, hey guys,
you shots on the show.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
No, I was really excited to be here. Listening to
you talk about the Daisi report at the beginning was
like Christmas morning for me.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
So it's a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I'm an enthusiast of the same. So yeah, thanks
for letting me back you guys up. I was glad
to be here and look forward to another one sometime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Well, thank you, Eli, and I want to reiterate while
you're here. Just reminded me why reiterate? Reiterate? I can
say that toy boat, toy boat, toy boat, reiterate the
segment we want the truth. The prompt for next week
is name a time when protesting would be an overreaction.
Comment on the video below. Do your comments below, not
(01:12:30):
in the live chat, and we may read your answer
on next week's episode. So tune in next week at
the beginning an episode to see if we do read
yours as one of the top three answers, and stick
around because I will be going to the atheist community
at Discord. I think ELI might stop in. I don't
think doctor Bitz is gonna make it because he's uh,
(01:12:50):
three to three thirty in the morning on it for him,
So I don't I don't blame you for non showing
up at all. I'm going too bad. Yeah, I don't
have to.
Speaker 8 (01:12:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
I'm surprised you were here. Up, it's laid out already.
So with that, I want to thank everybody for tuning
in and we hope to see Oh wait a minute,
I have superchats I didn't do. Miranda Renzberg are ten dollars.
I'm waiting for the big reveal that Kelly is keeping
a baby Komodo dragon in his office. Haha, you didn't
get to see it. It won't be so cute when
(01:13:20):
it grows up, Kelly, No, it won't be. It's not
going to be. And Robert Connittzer sent us ninety nine dollars,
sent us a superstick or a face without a mouth,
And so we did not get my five super chats.
We're just going to have to wait to see my
dragon at a later time. Although if you come to
the after show, I might show you another dragon. So
we'll see you there and hopefully you'll be here next week.
(01:13:43):
And in the meantime, everybody, we just want you to
keep wanting the truth.
Speaker 8 (01:13:48):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
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