Truth Wanted 08.29 07-18-2025 with ObjectivelyDan and Cynthia McDonald

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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In every single week, I always have a special guest
with me. This week is no different. It is Cynthia
McDonald folks back again on the show, Cynthia, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm well, objectively Dan, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I'm good. You were questioning that Tyler earlier saying you're like,
I don't know if you're objectively Dan anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I think you're subjectively Dan, which is like, I think
you're maybe the one hundredth person in my life that's
made that joke. But that's okay because you're Cynthia McDonald's,
so that's it's all right. But welcome back. How have
you been? What's up with you?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh my goodness, Well I have been a busy person.
I just started a new job.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Still doing the whole mommy thing. Yeah, and yeah, that's goings.
That's going, it's going, I tell you. He a matter
of fact, my my little one is going through a
mini graduation.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's going to get like a cap. I don't know
about a gown.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
But he's also going to get a little little certificate
that says I graduated from preschool.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah I didn't get a cap, you know, I graduate
from preschool. Yeah. I guess that's a new a new
thing they're doing. Well, that's great. Good for him.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know the finishers medal, I suppose, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I mean, hey, you know it's it's it's worth celebrating.
I guess you know, I'm not against it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I got a bunch of finishing medals. I was addicted
to them at one time, so I'm really okay with
that as well.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I got I got literal participation trophies when I was
dude soccer growing up, So so fun thing you fucked
about me because I'm a giant monster person, right, And
so my parents I think they they wanted to utilize
that and thought that I was going to be a
talented athlete. I did not end up being the case.
But but when I was in elementary school, they put
a bunch of different sports and uh, when I I

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remember getting the participation trophy because like, I don't think
our team ever said anything good. Remember my dad like
actually going on a rant about participation trophies and stuff
like that. That's that's a that's a great early memory
of mine. So there you go. I tells you a
little bit about my upbringing. But it you know, it
is what it is, folks. Every week we are asking

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you guys a question or a prompt. Uh, and we
want to talk about what we asked you last week
on the segment We want the Truth, and to do that,
we're going to bring Kelly onto the stage with us
to talk about that. Kelly, what's up, hi?

Speaker 5 (03:18):
How you doing that?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Doing good? Doing good? Did you get participation trophies or
you know, probably for that? Yeah, yeah, probably just like
they like, here, we'll throw you outside and if you
get hit by a car, that's on you.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Right exactly, literally literal for you, right right, Hey, You're
probably just like, hey, I'm going to go hiking with
my friends at this dumpster for a weekend, and they're
probably like, cool, see you be a time in school on.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Monday, right exactly, pretty.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Much pretty much. Yeah, our parents just let us do
anything back in the day. The things that I actually
as I got older, I was like in my thirties
and I told my mom there's some of the ship
I did as a child. She was totally floored by
some of it. So but then I found out she
was a big amiss after she died, So oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
That okay, Well all right, all right, Kelly, So you're
just going to drop that on that show, and then
you're just gonna let us I know we've talked about
it before, but I don't know if that's public knowledge.
I think you just dropped that first.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Absolutely, it absolutely is not, because Kelly and I have
worked with each other for a very long time, and
this is the first time I've ever hearing about this.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I remember you talking about this a couple of years ago,
but I don't think you've ever talked about on the show.
Do you I get to tell this story now, because
now I feel like you have to.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Tell Okay, I will tell the story, Okay, Okay. When
after my mother died, my mother and my father split
up when I was very young. I was about a
year and a half, and apparently she married somebody else,
but she never divorced my father. And we were going
we were going through her papers, and my sister pulled
up the some Oh, here's your papers from when mom

(04:57):
divorced her father and she starts reading them and I
have a son that's seven and a half years old,
and I was like, no, I was only a year
and a half. That's wrong. And she looked at the
day and she's like, no, you were seven and a
half according to the state. And she had already been
married to my stepfather for five years at that point,
so man and we had the marriage license for that
marriage right with us with the whole stack.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's a whole ass Reddit post.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
She was the bigness for five years that we didn't
know about until after she died.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Dang, that's like, that's am I the asshole for finding
out my mom's five years. That's the kind of shit
you read about, don't mind, Kelly, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
We found out is she married my father in Mexico
and she actually lied about her age. She was too
young to get married.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh okay, right now, Yeah, this is crazy. I realized
it was Judy, what's going on? What are we doing?

Speaker 7 (05:58):
Well?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Now you know I come from a online of rubbles,
you know why I am.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh my gosh, Oh we're about to talk about reality
calling the show that's your family and they're gonna want
to talk to you and argue with you on there.
That's gonna be crazy. Kelly and I just sit here
like we should get back to the probably good for
views though, honestly, maybe we should encourage that. You know,

(06:27):
you related to Kelly and you believe what he's saying.
He's actually correct, you know, give us a call. The
lines are open anyway. On that note.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Last, right, so we should get back to the show.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Get back to the show. That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Let's find to find aeg for that one.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right, right.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
So last week we asked you what do inner circle
atheists not want you to know? Apparently that my mother
was a big amis then you're our our favorite answers
number three from know what they don't want you to
the atheist inner circle doesn't want you to know that
looking at the trees totally convinced them, which is a.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Good that's such a good one, Like can you imagine
if one of us, like hang, I would like a
tell all was like, and you know what it was
that brought me back to Christ? It was ray comforty
those trees. I felt something in my heart like, I
don't know how funny would that be?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I literally was Saturday, I was, yeah, yeah, Sturday it was.
And then the eye thing, the eye thing as well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh yeah, the greatness of the eye and all that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh yeah, right, I said, why do I wear glasses?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's funny?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Number two from Shrewsbury Brewery one eighty three. That was
a hard for me to say they don't want you
to know that John from Canada has actually been a
paid chill from Big Atheist all this time.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Can you imagine if if we did that, if like
we created John. It has been accused before that John
from Canada is a character. I'm gonna be on the
record and say that if he is a character, he's
not from us. I'll tell you that that he's his
own thing. So is a bit of a character? Yeah, yeah,
I mean he is a bit of a character, that's true.

(08:27):
But like, is he a bit though?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is he a Are we doing it for laughs? No,
I'll put that on the record that he is not
is not a fake caller. But anyway, as far as
I know, I'll say that.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Much as far as I know, he's not either could
be about I think John from Canada is a bot.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
From Canada, man, I really, I always have. I think
I think he's all right. Number one though from Chuck Gatos,
the Atheist Dinner Circle doesn't want it known that the
huge distances between ours is actually proof of the God,
that the God of the gaps exists, right, I.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Like that a lot. Well, thank you for giving us
those great, great answers this week and for your tell
all family drama some more you know, but tell us
some more stuff next week. What you're gonna figure out
your ancestors were I don't know, part of some crazy
cult or something like.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
I actually have something for you on that one.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You can't, Kelly, hold on.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Till next week.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Holds of that one. Please, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Be hosting were to be here next week.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'll tell you you I'll have to tell that story
without me. I guess we'll see.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'll tell you right now. True short, my father's uncle
was Harry Laughlin. You can you can go. He's got
his own wiki page. Hitler really liked his ideas, So.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Kelly, don't no, I don't tell me that.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
No, it's one of the it's one of the It's
actually one of the reasons why I've been an activist
all my life. I kind of felt guilty and wanted
to make up for some of the pet ship my face.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Sins, the sins of the uncle. Is that what's happening
right now? Trying to make up for Kelly? Come on, man,
I feel like.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
A psychological need. It's just you know, it's gotta be
you gotta bounce things out, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I just looked that name up and the first few
captions is jaw dropping. Yeah, I say, just just just
google the name, and my god.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah he's not He was not a nice person.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
Oh no, yeah, okay, when the when the wiki info
bar has eugenics, yeah on the side, it's not going
to be a good article, no.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Kelly, No, God.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Goodness, it starts off all nice. He was an American
educator and a eugenicist.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna sell you this right now. You're
doing a much better job as a human being than
your uncle. I don't even know your uncle. I just
I just I've seen enough. He was.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
He was my father's uncle. I never met the guy, fortunately, but.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, it's good yea. Oh geez. Okay, well all right,
God for that, you successfully derailed this thing two times now,
so I'll let you put it back on the rails
again and tell us what is the question of the
week this week?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
For next week? We want you to tell us what
can you say to your psychic but not to your
spouse Cynthia? Do you have an idea?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh my god, I would say, hey, you can tumpet,
your uncle of my supremacist maybe and maybe not maybe
not your spouse. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I I could tell my spouse my psychic. Can you
guess what the past is about my father's uncle?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
What's my mother a big amiss?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
What's my uncle genesis?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah? What's my directly a genesis? What other five dollars
words can we come up with for Kelly's family members?
I mean, what how far does this tree go?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know, I like, yeah, like you know, like, how
did do we go to the rabbit hole?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (12:38):
I dig up something else that we really tried a.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
New recurring bit where it's just a new lore about
Kelly's family everywhere.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, I know by Kelly laugh.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
She's done a lot of digging into our family. So
I see, I see what else the skeletons I can
dig up from her?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, dear Kellys skeletons, you know that's what call it.
It'll be great.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
So for that, Dan, what can you say to your
psychic but not your spouse?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh? I mean, uh say your psyched out of your spouse.
I actually wasn't prepared for this bit. I like the
idea of asking you about your family treat though, like, hey,
which which which member of my family was possibly a Nazi?
And if you get it right, if you can guess
great uncle, then you might have incredibility.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right, exactly exactly. I was wanting to say something like
totally benign, like is this your card and like you know,
pull up like hearts or something like that.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's true. I thinks of a number between one and
the thousand, right, real simple stuff. I have a really
bad answer. Okay, what's your answer? Kelly?

Speaker 5 (13:44):
You're right?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What are you in your right? Wait?

Speaker 5 (13:46):
One, that's something you can say to your psychicpouse.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You're right? All right? Well, all right, well this has
been answer. We want the true segments in a while.
Thank you Kelly for that, Thank you, thank you, appreciate you.
We'll play go ahead and get you back to the backstage.
Uh man, how do you segue from that? Goddamn? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Is this your card?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Man, Well, welcome back to truth wanted I know in
a minute. Since you've been on man, so there's just
been a lot of things happening in the news, and
I feel like we keep saying that every single week,
especially on this show, and you have been on a
show with part of the ACA that talks about the news,

(14:36):
so it is relevant to you and you still keep
up with the news. One of the things we were
talking about we can't I think more talk about this
was the Johnson Amendment, because we didn't talk about this
as much last week, but it did happen sort of
last week where the I R. S Is refusing to
I think prosecute uh, you know, churches that are endorsing candidates,
which since the Johnson Amendment, which is amendment that was

(15:00):
uh basically I think it was executive order right, pleasured
by Lenda B. Johnson. It was an executive order. It
was it was the proposal he made. We're saying, hey, actually,
you know, you can't do that, right, And it turns
out the church is like maybe the sixth you know,
branch of government here we got going on. I don't know,
there's but they tend to have a lot of sway
in America. They do they and it seems like a

(15:23):
lot of people are okay with that, which is bothersome.
I don't know. Obviously you have some thoughts on that.
I imagine, well, I.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Do objectively subjectively, Dan, I I I actually was listening
to another podcast today when they were talking about it,
and the I R s just came out with that
story concerning the Johnson Amendment. But the crazy thing about
it is that they only will not prosecute religious institutions, right.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That was that was my takeaway from reading about it too,
was its specifically the exemption is for religious organizations and
not nonprofits. Yes, aka US, So the rules for THEE
not for me, right, sort of classic thing there.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's wild.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
At first, Like when they were reading it, I was
going to say, oh, so this means that all five
O one C threes.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Including the ACA can endorse candidates, right, And it was
like no.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
But like, at the same time, I kind of don't
want to have a political discussions with the AJA hosts
on air. I feel like that's a recipe for disaster
because we're all very opinionated people we are, and that
would be messy, but also it would be really funny.
It's worked out as a good rule for us. I'm
kind of glad that we have the rule in a
way because I want everybody. I want to live in

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a world where everybody's following the rule. Obviously that's not
the case and hasn't been the case for a while.
And I guess the RS is just like screw it,
We're just kind of we're not even gonna We're not
even gonna follow through with it.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So I mean to just think about it, Dan, there's
so many since so many institutions do it anyway, right,
the churches that do it right, And and I think
that it's I think that we know that the I
R S and of itself is like badly understaffed, right,
It's like badly understaffed, so they wouldn't even have the

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capacity to even pull up bring up charges in the
first place. And I think that you can like count
on one hand how many churches have been prosecuted via
the Johnson Amendment since it's been like enacted.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, you'd have to you have to be like, well,
like a really really bad church. And that's not even
saying that bad jurches like get away with it. They
definitely do. It's just like I agree, like from the
publicly for the ones I know about, at least, it's
very small, like it's it's not a lot of organizations, right, And.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Even though like you do have like some of the
churches that actually believe in the Johnson Amendment, and they
follow the Johnson Amendment, and they wish that their other
compatriots would do the same, but it seems like they're
in the minority at this time.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I agree with you there, And so, like one
are the merits of this. On the one hand, we
have this idea of free speech in this country, right,
and we like to think that it applies universally to
everywhere in every situation. It doesn't, but we like to
think that it does. And one of those situations we'd
like to think it the wise too, is churches. There
are countries that completely banned churches, completely banned some that

(18:34):
kind of freedom of worship and stuff, and there's an
interesting debate about that. And so it's kind of interesting
that not only do we allow it, we wanted to
flourish ostensibly right Americans tend to be really good with that,
but like, we don't want to affect politics somehow, even
though it's pretty much always been the case that your
religious views are probably going to inform your political views, right,

(18:55):
Like they kind of seem hand in hand together. I
think it'd be weird if you're religious views didn't inform
your politics.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
In some way, right, I mean I agree with that.
I remember specifically when I was like a card carrying Christian,
and that was my identity. Like everything that I did,
how I thought, what informed my behavior, and what even
told me what decisions that I should make or not,

(19:26):
what I should go left or right, was really based
on my belief, my faith. Sure, it wasn't until I
came on this side of the secular aisle that my
identity is not even wrapped. It's not completely wrapped up
with my non belief. It's a part of me, but

(19:48):
it doesn't. But there's several factors in my life that
would determine what kind of decision I would make, how
I would proceed with life, even who I would consider
that I want to you date like so, but before
that was not the case, even like how I would
you know what even like what type of activism that

(20:10):
I would do? Right, So, it's it's interesting, like how
I would listen to even apologists, Christian apologists specifically try
to put this false equivalence on you know, people who
happen to be non believers, that our identity is completely
wrapped up in being an atheist. And I try to

(20:33):
make the case to say that not no, no, it's
not it's a it's it's not it's not a it's
not a religion.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
It's it's a it's a it's a position. That's all
it is. Do you believe in a god or gods?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, I mean your motivation from active for activism isn't
inherently informed by your atheism, right, because there's there's tons
of atheists that don't give a shit. They just can't
live their life and do whatever.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I think I think that, I think there's a certain
personality that maybe wants gets you more involved in activism,
but also maybe a particular kind of understanding of your
world right, the worldview rather so I totally get that.
But yeah, as a Christian, though, like you, kind of implicitly,
and at least when I was a Christian, there's a
kind of implicit goal to be a good Christian, and

(21:20):
to be a good Christian means to have the right
kind of practices, to have the right kind of thinking,
you know, and the right worldview in a sense. Right, So,
like that is inherently going to be political in some way.
Like Jesus was definitely a political figure of his time. Well,
you don't really think about him that way today, but
like he absolutely influenced and had opinions about the politics

(21:42):
of his time. So he was political, like I you know,
so it's gonna it's going to affect the way you
view politics today. Whether it's correct or not, that's a
different story, right, whether it's legitimately what Jesus thought or whatever. Like,
it's still an influence for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, And we are even seeing today when that whole
thing is brought up about, you know, Jesus being a
political figure, how he would look at our you know,
politics in world today and what his stance would be, right,
And you know, some people feel that, you know, Jesus
was kind of a lefty, right, and he would probably

(22:19):
be a little bit more left leaning. But then there
are some like Christian nationalists who feel that Jesus was
not a lefty and they still use his his name
to endorse their point of view.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
So it's it's I don't know, it's it's just like, I.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Don't know, it's kind of weird to me because because
like I know that at the end of the day,
when it comes to like whatever your stances in the
political phrase, it's more so whatever your interests are, and
whatever your interest are is going to be, You're going
to take from whatever you can in order to to
say why you are right?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know the true?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, yeah, Americans. Americans like to be a political They
like they like to pretend to have the veneer of
a political miss they really do. They really like to
have a divide between the two and a clean cutoff.
And they like to say, oh, I don't put these
politics in here, but like it's it's always been a front.
It's always never been a clear divide. It's like you're again,

(23:21):
if you're going to church and you're hearing a particular message,
it's it's probably political, and you may not view it
in that lens, but like subconsciously it can still affect
the way that you view other issues. Right, So I'd
rather a church be honest. And if we're gonna say, hey,
this rule isn't gonna apply, it shouldn't apply to nonprofits, right,
Like we should be exempt from that as well. Like
if we're gonna just gonna do it, we should just

(23:44):
go with it all the way and not this half
assed bullshit because it doesn't make any sense because the
protection seem to be gone right like that that that
separation church stay thing, it's not a thing anymore. Like
we're kind of done with that whole.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, it's what I mean. Even Justice Soda Mayer said
that the Lemon test is dead, and that's what they
used to, you know, to basically judge whether if whatever
type of like you know, case is a violation of
you know, religion and government, church and state. And right
now what we're seeing is I mean, and it was

(24:21):
even before we we changed from from back there to
up here, like case after case, like going over nonprofits,
and we would like look at like some of the
cases that come that came from the Supreme Court, and
there was you know, I could think of that one
with coach Kennedy who was who was a coach, a

(24:43):
football coach in Canada and not Canada, I'm sorry, Alabama.
And he was his his contract at his job because
at first, like you know, people say, oh, he got fired. No,
he didn't get fired. His contract at the school that
he was at did not get renewed because he was
inviting kids to pray on the fifty yard line after

(25:06):
games and the school kept asking him.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Hey, can you think you don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Please, And he was like, no, my Lord and Jesus
Savior mastered blah blah blah, YadA, YadA YadA, says I'm
supposed to do this, even though my question to him
would have been, like, you know, I thought that like
Jesus said that. You know, you're not supposed to pray
in public in an inveighing way, like the like the
like the.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
The lawmakers and the sadducees. Do you're supposed to pray
in your causing and secret and you were supposed to
say the our father who are have a bahblah blah. Yeah,
but you know, but like what's that whole Bible versus
I don't care? Yeah, And then but then, but remember
that they said one of the justices who wrote the
concurrence was saying that, oh, his religious his his his

(25:58):
freedom to practice his religion was violated, and therefore you
have to give him his job back. And he only
taught for a year because he didn't even live in
Alabama anymore. He lived in Florida, so they shouldn't even
took up the case in the first place. And then
he was and then he yeah, he played for just
that for one game I think that they lost and

(26:19):
did he quit?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Wow? Man, So it didn't even God didn't even help
him out with the game. It wasn't even worth it. Now,
I mean you should have invoked some other deity exactly,
like you know, maybe Siva or something. Yeah, exactly, one
of more games if you just prayed.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
But yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
And this is like, not to put too fine a point,
that's because I think we should probably move on to
get to calls. But like you know, this whole idea,
this whole freedom from religion, uh, and just separation of
church and state, it's always been tenuous. It's always always
been tenuous because you can kind of believe in anything
and make that the rule. Now, so it's like, oh,

(26:59):
this is my belief you have to respect. And this
is what Christian nationalists have been doing the last few years.
By the way, they've taken advantage of this fact by saying, oh, well,
my nationalism means that we have to support proselytizing to
people or that we want to have a white Christian
neighborhood or whatever. Right, Like you know, they won't put
it in such oblique words, but you know, it's it's

(27:20):
kind of implied and kind of what the aend goal
is for some of these guys. So it's like, you know,
I don't know what the solution is. I'm not going
to be here. I'm not going to be the guy
that says, hey, here's how we fix it, because I'm
just as lost as the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I don't know something. But maybe our callers can tell
us what to do. Here. In fact, we should talk
to some because this is a college show. So let's
let's get to that, Cynthia. You're ready to talk to
some people, yes, Okay, Before we do, we have to
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the way, let's get to our first caller of the night.
We have John from California, who wants to talk to us. John,
you are live on truth wanted what's going on? Hello?
John from California? Are you there?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I'm here, Yes, we can hear it. Go ahead, John, Okay?

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Perfect? How you guys doing.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
We're doing great. John. It's a beautiful Friday today in Austin, Texas.
I hope it's goodiful where you're at. You how can
we help you?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
So I'm calling and I'm called in before and you
guys thought I was a troll. Well, I didn't want to, like,
I didn't just like call back in like, you know,
right the next week, right immediately. I don't want to
give that impression, because I honestly believe this is like
one of the most entertaining calls you guys, like this
is I don't even kind of know where to start.
It's so many things have happened.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, let's start with this. See from the call screener,
you said that you watched the atheist experience and that
gave you the inspiration to be a Christian. Yes, that
is I'll be honest, You're the first person I've ever
heard say that. Have you ever heard that, Cynthia, I
don't know if I've ever heard anybody say that.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
This is the first time that I ever heard and
say that, And I would love to hear.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
How that happened.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Please tell us what what tell us about that? I'd
love to know.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I genuinely believe that the flying spaghetti monster thing is
the real interpretation of the Bible, as crazy as it sounds,
I went back through when I read the Bible with
the idea that Jesus, you know, I didn't like, I
didn't take it as a joke. At first it was,
but then as I kept doing it, I kept taking
it more and more seriously. Just for entertainment. I went
through the New Testament. I just like pictured Jesus as

(30:21):
the flying spaghetti monster. It turned out to be like
a religiously transformative experience for me. It makes sense. The
Bible didn't really make sense to me before. Now it
makes sense. Jesus is the flying spaghetti monster. I'm here
to defend them.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, I mean I I remember, I remember talking to you. Now,
I remember you mentioning something about this, and obviously I
think you can see why people would think this is
the troll, right, is a troll call. But I'm going
to take my face value, I guess, and I want to.
I want to figure this out.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
So it's even good.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You're you're you're you're looking at the Bible, You're you're
having this Exegesus right, you're reinterpreting scripture here, and and
you're figuring out that this flying spaghetti monster makes sense
in history, like literally, the flying skating monster was there
two thousand years ago, rose from the dead, Like, tell
me about this the specifics here.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, pretty much Like so if you go through the
New Testament and you picture have you ever seen ed
n and Eddie?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Hell, yeah, I love that shit.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yes, hey you know plank.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, I do no plank For those who don't know,
each is a I did a character that does not
talk and is literally a painted piece of wood that
everybody pretends it's real.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
So yes, exactly. So if you well, my idea was,
if you go through the New Testament and you just
start picturing Jesus as plank, basically it's a sack of flour,
or it's like a head of wheat, it's some type
of grain. It actually makes more sense than if you
think he's a human and everybody does that makes more
sense hallucinating because it's like Ergo rod or something.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Tell me why that makes more sense, because that doesn't
make more sense to me.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
An example, off the top of my head, will do
his first miracle turning water into wine. I don't know
how a human being could scientifically turn water into wine.
If though we accept it, Jesus was like rotting, like grain,
fermenting grain. That makes perfect sense. That's right there. A
big Jesus quote is bread is my body, wine is
my blood. To take that literally, don't put what you

(32:12):
want to believe in there. Just take Jesus at its words.
What did Jesus say, How is it possible for his bread,
for his body to be bred, and his wine to
be blood unless it's like flour, at which point that
makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
John, you are stretching my my suspension of the disbelief
to the it's maximum capacity here, because if you are
in a troll. This is one of the strangest calls
I think I've had on this show, and I've had
a lot of strange calls. Okay, so this is my
genuine belief. Cynthia, What do you want to do with

(32:48):
this because there's a couple of different angles here. Oh
you're viewed right now, Cynthia, go ahead if you can.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I'm sorry I had a question for John. So, John,
you know I want to go back to this whole
wh thing. You know, Jesus's blood.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Are you saying that one of the reasons why you
think that Jesus, because I don't want to misrepresent you,
is the flying spaghetti monster, it's because his blood is
like wine, and you compare pasta very well with wine.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
That could be an interpret It's an inclusive legit. So
if you want to see it that way, go ahead.
I was just taking it literally at its words. Red
is my body, Wine is my blood. That sounds a
lot like glucose.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Would it be a pino in the water, a pino,
a cabernet? Uh, you know, a red blend? What kind
of wine are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Every single wine? That's what's amazing about Christ.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, but you know, but but you know, Okay, So
if there's a red wine and there's a white wine,
are we doing reds or whites? Or what are we doing?
Are we doing a rose? I mean, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
We're losing the flood here.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
It's up to you. It's up to you. That's think
about Christ. Christ comes to us in our own point.
We all have our own personal Jesus. Some people liked bear,
some people like wine. No reason.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I just need to understand, because again there's different forms
of So the Gnostics, the early Christians, early Christian. They're
now seen as heretical, but they are an early Christian interpretation.
They basically saw Jesus not as a literal person, but
sort of a divine figure that gave these sorts of
divine truths, right, So they had this kind of interesting,

(34:29):
sort of different possibly ahistorical, It's hard to know the
rusty of Jesus, but regardless, you know, they had a
different take of Christianity. So in some ways your view
isn't exactly unprecedented, which is fascinating. But what I've hung
up on, okay, is that were there twelve dudes in
the desert that just walked around with the like a
flying spaghetti monster and just like hung out with him?

(34:51):
Like I do you think it was it like a
literal sort of events here that occurred, or is the
New Testament just supposed to be a sort of reinterpretive
metaphorical book a series of books rather.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I like picturing it as it was a sack of
flower and they all got everybody around it, got ergo rot,
and they just did what they did.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I think even if.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
You're an atheist, maybe it doesn't inspire you to faith
if you read the New Testament. Imagining that and then
imagining the historical context of what the New Testament became.
I think it's hilary. It's one of the most entertaining
things I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I mean, I'm sorry, I want another question.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So where hold on, I got a question for you, sir.
Where do you see in the Bible the historical context
of looking at Jesus like a sack of flower or
the flying spaghetti monster.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah? Well that's a good question, Cynthia, because like, why
sack of flower? And why not literally anything else?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
It could be any type of plan at least that
they had in Judea.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Why though?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah? Why? Why specifically that? I mean because you specifically
said that.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
A multiple things. But the two things that really inspire
me are the bread is my body, Wine is my
blood quote, and the immaculate conception. The immaculate conception doesn't
make sense if he's actually a human. I'm sorry, it
just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
So why if he's a sack of flower? Though?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, hear me out, hear me out, hear.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Me out, hear me out.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Hear me out.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Okay, let's say Mary was like a little bit Mary.
You know, there's like twelve year old there's like a
twelve year old girl and like a backwoods province of
like you know, the Roman Roman Empire. At that point,
I'm going to assume they didn't have like, you know,
the best like mental health resources, and they didn't necessarily
know what to do with it. You know, it's like
a twelve year old there's a little off. What if
Mary just went around saying that this sack of flower

(36:41):
was her baby? It was kind of like embarrassing, Like
that's why originally dose it wasn't going to marry her.
And it's like okay, and it just goes along with it.
But then the sack of flowers starts performing miracles and
it starts getting fun. That's how I read the New Testament.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I think this is a great creative writing prompt. I
don't know, I don't know why you would view this
literally as history, Like I just don't. I don't think
you've sufficiently answered this question of why a sack of
flowers over anything else? I mean, I get it because
it's funny, right, but like a lot of things could
be funny, here are a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Could be I have a practical answer to that. Okay,
consider and this is probably the perfect show to make
this point, to consider how much history, how much better
history would have been if from the first century a d.
The Catholic Church had been had been dedicated to one goal,
and one goal alone free beer and free popcorn for

(37:38):
everybody every day. When I say everybody, I mean everybody.
What if that's what the church did instead of whatever
it does.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
That Hey see it's like you say that, sub John,
and it's like I just yeah again, you've already you
already suspended my belief is now beyond the point of
suspension actual religion.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
No, it's amazing, all right, Well, how can you take
religious people seriously and say that this couldn't be. But
that's what the church should do is just feed everybody
free beer and free popcorn for as much carbohydrates as
as far as I can tell.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I mean, if that was the case and that was
the goal, we wouldn't be here. I'd be at the church.
I'd be at the church right now, getting you know
what I'm saying, Like, that's not that's.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Just not real.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I would get popcorn right now, right. I mean, like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Cool with churches.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Should do this.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean, I'm cool with churches feeding people. You know,
I'm cool with churches doing as much charity work as possible,
especially for those who are not able to, you know,
get certain things because of like you know, payment, you know,
not necessarily having a lot of money, et cetera, et cetera.
But you know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Know, John, Can I just tell you where my disconnect is?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Is it okay?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
If I ask you so? My disconnect specifically is that
I'm not still seeing how you're connecting, like this the
recific spaghetti monster to Jesus because he said that his
body is the bread and his blood is one I'm having.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm not seeing the thorough road here. You know, I'm
not seeing the connection to where you got this. I mean,
like if you want to say that it's a funny thing,
like you know, a funny entertaining story, like ha, how
would this be a funny thing?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Okay, but it is, but it talks some more profound
don't take the words name the bank.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Where's the profound part, John, That's what I'm wanting to know.
Where's the profundity. I would love for you to to
to tell Dan and I.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
On a spiritual level. On a spiritual level, I think
that there is a lot of profoundity and a lot
of a lot that can be learned about life by
realizing nothing we do is possible without carbohydrates and water.
Things we can't create, things that that's our Lord and
savior right there, that came. That was a gift.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
How can you wait? Wait? Wait are you before you?
Before you go on? How how is that spiritual?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
It alters your ego, It alters the way. The part
that I didn't get to was that and that these
things are provided to us, that we can't create the
amount of thin air create them ourselves. I think that
that's an important thing spiritually, as it humbles our ego,
makes us realize that without God's help we are nothing.
We can't you know, we can't sit here and pretend

(40:25):
that we're doing this all ourselves. I think that's important.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I mean, I mean, but like you know, longer than
we have.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I mean, but like you you you get flour from
grinding grain, and you get grain from planting seeds, and
the ones who usually do the seeds, the seed and
harvest blah blah blah, farmers, you know, So like humans are.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Good people with that.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Look, yeah, let me let me jump in, because I
don't know how much more we can do with this, John,
because like so, so I have to understand history through
uh material evidence, right, I like, if you're telling me
Europeans used to fight dragons for example, if it's let's
say somebody says that Atlantis is real. Okay, I need

(41:09):
I need something to sort of substantiate believe in the
dragons thing. Okay, well that's a that's a separate.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
You go through all of human history from a sociological
please let me finish here. That's what society are farmers farming?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Kay?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
With the Neolithic revolution took cough and we figured out farming.
It's all about farming, the whole fiction thing. It's like
a scarecrow, right, Like there's a new Testament.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Right, I am going to mutube because I need to
finish this.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Mayst.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I don't know, John, this is I'm just this is
just giving troll vibes. That's all. From the very beginning.
This is troll vibes. It's hard for me to take
it seriously. But again, if i'm if I'm going to
take you seriously. It's one thing to take a metaphorical
reading of history in which many Christians are done again,
You're not completely unprecedented in this new understanding of Jesus
and his motivations and what he seeks seeks to teach

(42:00):
us through story, right, I mean that that's one conversation,
But like, I don't understand how that could be interpreted
literally in any way whatsoever. I just think this is
just it just doesn't make any sense. I don't I
don't think that really works out in reality. But I
don't know. I kind of I kind of need something
more than just well, if you get you can find

(42:23):
look at it like this, and you can also look
at it like this, and then if you take the carbohydrates,
say like, yeah, I get it, I get it. You
find some meaning in reading that. But how do I
know this is true? How do I know that this
is the correct interpretation over other kinds of interpretations. I
understand interpretation can be subjective, but like, there has to
be some sort of merit to this, right, And I'm
gonna unmutue now, John, and let you say your piece.
But then after this, I don't know, we'll see. All right, John,

(42:45):
you are unmuted. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
So I had something that I before we got to
a sidetracked, I had something specific that I wanted to
talk about today.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
And I have an I need you to answer my
question because we can't keep going on side tangents. Okay,
how can we know that this interpretation of reality is
more true than other interpretations of reality.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Here's here's a test. The past ten years been pretty crazy,
right like, And no matter who you are, no matter
what you believe, most people can agree the past ten
years of politics, life, sport, it's like it's been pretty nuts,
right like.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Give you that for free, for sort whatever. Yep, what
would be?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
What would you say if somebody had been able to
predict all of the events that took place in twenty fifteen,
twenty twenty five in exact detail in twenty twelve, would
you believe their model? Do you think maybe they had
something to it?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think they're probably a con artist, first of all,
but I guess i'd entertain them. I'd see how they'd
proposed to do that.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
My grand my grandfather, who was the one that inspired
a lot of this belief, had this idea himself. A
part of my goal, if we ever get to it,
would be to explain, you know, who my grandpa was,
what this religion did for his life. But we'll get
there later. He was able to predict basically. He passed
away in twenty fifteen to two in peace, but that significant,

(44:03):
Like the start of it, he was able to predict
the past ten years of history based only on the
following three assumption? Are you ready for them?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
No? Because I asked you a question and you said
that you're going to answer it, and you didn't answer it.
So you're now losing credibility in my eyes very rapidly. Okay.
I would just like to know how do you interpret
your model of reality over other people's models of reality?
Because everybody has a little bit of a different idea, right,
especially when it comes to the Bible and what's true

(44:34):
about it?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Right?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
What makes yours true? Why should I believe.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
You if someone was able to predict the past. That
was my attempt to answer the question, was if someone
was able to predict the past ten years like three
years out, that, like you, you kind of trust their
model over other models.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Was your grandpa saying that Jesus was a sack of
flower though, because I don't think he was right. This
is something you can do.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Oh dude, this guy was amazing. You don't even get it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
But no, but this isn't the story that you. Yeah,
you said earlier, you said that you came to this
conclusion after watching the atheists experience. I did.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
I arrived at these beliefs myself spontaneously, and then after
that happened, my grandma sat down and talked to me
and was just amazed. We had to have like a
family conversation over this. But we have the prediction thing
is pretty cool. You want to hear the model that
was able to predict the past ten years of history.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't think I have time. Unfortunately, we've on this
call for nineteen minutes now, and you should have led
with that. Honestly, if you had that, that would have
been more impressive than talking about Jesus as a toaster
strudle or whatever. I like. I don't know, man, no
flower days. Yeah, I know it's a second flower. I'm
just being I'm being dramatic for a fact. But the
point is, John, if you want to call in again

(45:44):
and talk about it, that's fine. We don't have any
time anymore, though. We got to talk to some other people, okay,
And that's gonna be my question. I'll ask you again
when you call in, how can I know that your
idea of reality is more true than other people's ideas?
And let's let's start with that next time, Okay, But
I will let you go. I hope you have a
great rest of your weekend and enjoy life. Cynthia, I'm

(46:07):
gonna bang my head against this wall here for a
bit and you can just do a one up of
you for a bit. No, just kidd, We're not gonna
do that. I'm just okay.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I have to say. I can understand why you want
to do that. I'm still I don't know. I was
you know what I really wanted to ask, right, what's that? Uh?
What hallucin?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah there is what what were you and your grandpa?
What carbohydrates? Were you and your grandpa? Right? Because that's
what's happening right now, and you know, California makes sense.
I get a lot of stuff over there. I don't know, John,
I don't know, because like if your troll, it's a

(46:48):
weird troll, I'll give you that. Is it entertaining? Sure,
but you called them several times and you had a
different you had an interesting ideas last time too, So
like I don't know, but it But also I don't
know what I'm supposed to do with this, Cynthia.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I don't know if I can do it, you know, Dan,
I think that what we should all do is breathe
in for four seconds.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
In four seconds, so we're gonna let's breathe in.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
All right, every day home, if you're listen, just just
take a deep breath. Let's just do this together, a
little meditaid session. Ready, breathe in. It's here, it's here. Okay,
we're good.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
All right, Yes, yes, thank you for that, no problem,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Social worker, and that's what we do.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That's yeah, that's good. That's good. Shout outs to social workers,
Shout outs to your craft, amazing stuff. Before we move
on to whatever the hell that was, we're going to
talk about the Backers. Backers is comming up, folks. August sixteenth. Okay,
tickets are selling quickly. They might be out by this
time next week because we're getting pretty close. I don't know,

(47:54):
maybe not, Maybe we still have some more. We'll see
either way. Uh, you go, you should get your tickets
like it's because they have run out in the past
before the actual date. So I would highly recommend if
you want to come to Austin, come hang out with me,
Come hang out with j Mike, coming out with Forrest
Valki and a bunch of other folks that are coming
down to see Cynthia, you're gonna make it this year?

(48:16):
You coming down?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
No start a new job?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
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(48:42):
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given ten dollars saying the Flying Spaghetti Monster compels you
to place Mari and Era parmesan and a regged note
upon their oily noodles and you will be touched by

(49:04):
their non existence. Thank you for the ten dollars there.
I've been a yeah it's flying Spaghetti Monster.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Thing, you know, I haven't had dinner yet. I might
make me some spaghetti with marnara.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's the flying spaghetti monster compelling you to.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
It is he's pulling upon my heart.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Praise be, Praise be. And on that note, one last
thing before we get to our next caller, I need
to thank the awesome, amazing crew that helped put up
with the bullshit that we deal with every week. Look
at that awesome crew with the camera. Lots of lots
of things happening on screen right now. So thank you

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for all the stuff that you do. And folks, let's
get back to this little Collins show that we got
going on. Speaking of Daisy, I think it's the same
Daisy that just donated that is calling us right now.
It's Daisy from Washington, Seattle. Daisy, you're live on truth wanted.
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (50:06):
Hi, Yeah, I'm here. I'm Daisy and I did have
a question.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, okay, ready for you, Daisy? Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
My question is is anti theism or anti religion bigotry?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Oh? Great question? Question? Do you have thoughts? What are
your thoughts? Daisy? Okay?

Speaker 7 (50:29):
What I mean by anti theism is that I believe
that humanity would be better off if people would be skeptics,
but I don't prefer any enforcement behind that. Like, I
support religious freedom. I want people to be able to
believe whatever they want to believe. But I have a
specific reference that there wasn't religions in the world. Does

(50:53):
that specifically make me a bigot?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I think that's a great question. This is a really
nuanced one too. I have a lot of thoughts about this,
but Cinthy, you want to start with this one because
you know we could dissect this for a while.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, we can, and I wouldn't mind doing that, especially
after you know, thinking about spaghetti, monsters and red wine.
But so my thoughts I'm just going to repeat, is
anti theism? Are anti religion being anti religious bigotry? Did
I get that question correct? Is that what that question was?

(51:28):
I just want to make sure that I said this
question correctly.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
There is one qualifier there that I do support religious freedom, okay,
So it's it's that I'm anti feist. However, I support
people's ability to do that, okay, And so like, if
you look at the definition of bigotry, well there's lots
of definitions for that, but as I understand it, bigotry

(51:51):
is defined as obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion,
or faction in a particular prejudice against person or people
on the basis of their membership of particular group. Like
like my qualifier that I don't specific I claim that
I'm anti ideas, but I support people's right to have

(52:13):
a belief. I don't know, Like, would you still qualify
me as a biggot in that sense?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I would say no. And and the reason being is
because it's not like you're not saying that if you
are a theist or if you are a religious person,
that you should not exist and you should not believe
what you should believe or what you do believe. It's
just that I am not on your I'm not of
your thought level. I'm not the person. I'm not a

(52:43):
person who like agrees with you that said you know,
uh said, theological belief is a thing or should be
a thing. I support your I support your ability to
be able to to worship or or or believe what
it is that you believe.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's just that I am not of that same thought
And so because like you're not saying that churches should
not exist and mosques should not exist or anything like
or any of that stuff. Right, You're just basically saying that,
you know, even though that I support your belief, like

(53:25):
I support you believe in what you believe, I just
don't agree with you. And and and my preference would
be that if for everyone to be able to lean
on skepticism and critical thinking instead of like you know,
you know, believing in something that we cannot prove is
a thing at all. We can't prove that God exists.

(53:47):
God is unfalsifiable. We can't even we even look at
the Bible and of itself. And oftentimes what people use is.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
The Bible in order for it to be the thing
that they say is, hey, this thing exists because the
Bible said And I was like, well, you can't prove
the Bible with the Bible, Like, what is the outside
empirical evidence that says that this is a thing? Right?

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, so I so I I And I would even say,
I am a person who who was a Christian.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I am no longer that. But I do not tell
other Christians that you should not be a Christian. I'm
not going to deal with you.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I'm not gonna you know, be your friend or or
come to the cookout, you know, because you put raisins
in your potatoes side.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I'm sorry, that's not that here north there. But I'm
not going to come against your right, your existence, right,
I'm not I'm not going to do that. I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna say that I don't agree with
your position. I don't agree with your and I have
reasons for that, ye, But yeah, I just leave it

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at that.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Well, this is That's why I think Dais's question is
really interesting because this really goes into the heart of
what we do. What is our goal? Are we anti
theists in our activism? What does that mean exactly? I
think there's a problem of scope there for one, right, Daisy,
because religion can mean a lot of things. We were
just talking about this. I believe you could believe that
Jesus is a sack of flower, for example, just putting

(55:20):
that out there, so like, you know, what do we
mean while we say we're anti theists? So so one
that there's a definitional problem there. But on the other hand, well,
we're here, we're talking about stuff, so what do we
think I tend to be on the same wavelength as
Cynthia and that we aren't Christian anymore both of us
and we think that we're not Christians for good reason.
We'd like to tell other people about those reasons. But

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like I want people to approach it on their own terms.
I'm not going to make anybody become an atheist. I
don't want state atheism. Literally, every country that has ever
practiced state atheism is not a country I want to
live in personally, Right, So I want people to I
do endore secular values, and I guess one of my
secular values is a level of tolerance that I would

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want to and expect other people to have. And if
a religion, if if a religious belief sort of uh,
doesn't coincide with that tolerance, then I'm not going to tolerate, right.
I don't think it's it's it's worth having. So in
that sense, I am anti theists. I am anti theist
against any religion that you know doesn't tolerate on the

(56:25):
level that I want Hoaks to tolerate. Right is intolerant
because I think groups that have shown to be intolerant
you know of people or other people you know, and
various capacities have generally shown to be a bad idea. Right,
But you know, that's uh, that's a complicated thing, right.
Uh So I don't know, that's a lot of there's
my scattershot thoughts on that, Daisy, what do you think?

Speaker 7 (56:47):
Well, Okay, Like in previous conversations I've had there there
has been a comparison made because I I am a
trans woman, and the comparison was made where people were saying, Okay,
so you're saying that you're anti feist, but you wouldn't

(57:07):
enforce it, would you hold the same view about somebody
who was anti trans? And then I got emotional because
I was like, are you saying that I just believe
that I'm a woman or is it that you know?
Like are you are you comparing these two things? Because
in my opinion, I think like I've met a lot

(57:28):
of people at least that changed their religious beliefs over
time a lot, you know, but at least in my experience,
I wasn't able to change my being a trans woman.
Like it wasn't a choice for me. It was just
sort of something that was like I don't have a
choice about that, but you do have a choice about
a religion. So like I'm wondering the difference between those

(57:51):
two things.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Like well, let's think about that. But I do because
that's an interesting proposition there. Do people have a choice
in what they believe? Because I've historically been of the
opinion that that's not as concrete, right, Like I believe
that the Earth is round. I don't know that I
could choose to believe that the Earth is flat at

(58:14):
this point, just based on my experience, based on what
I know, based on other people I've talked to, Like,
there's a lot of factors in there that would have
to change in order for me to change my belief. Right, So,
even though it is a belief that I consciously hold,
I'm not sure how appliable that belief really is, right,

(58:34):
and so on that. By that same token, when we
talk about people's religious beliefs, we sometimes talk about it
in the language that, yeah, people should change their minds
about this, but there may be factors at play that
make it psychologically difficult for people to change their minds
in such a way where we may view it as
being outside of their control. I don't know if that's

(58:55):
making sense there, but you know there is something to
be said about that.

Speaker 7 (58:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean people can be indoctrinated into religions,
and so they don't necessarily have a choice because that
is that they're going to necessarily have to believe because
their parents are telling them this, that everybody around them
is telling them this, and then they have this necessary belief.
But at least from a trans like from the standpoint

(59:21):
of somebody who is trans, I this wasn't external. This
was something that was internal that I just believed about
myself from my own Like, nobody told.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Me to be trans.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
Nobody nobody was around me saying like, oh, you should
be a woman even though you were born male. So
I see that there's a difference there. I don't specifically
know if this, Like I really detest being called a bigot,
but I don't want to be a bigot, and if
I am, I don't I don't want to be presented

(59:50):
as one. So like it, Like if anti theism is bigotry,
I don't want to do it. But at the same time,
like I see all these that are being caused by
religion that are directly affecting me specifically as a transgender
Like ironically it affects me as a transgender person because
the religious ideals are affecting me legally and medically, So

(01:00:17):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Yeah, Daisy, If I may say, I have a hard
time taking the argument of if you're anti FIS, you
are a bigot, just like if you're anti trans you
are a theater, are our bigot?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I think that these are two very very different things.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
And and part of it is because I'm of your
mindset that if you are a person who happens to
be transgender, it's not a choice, It's just who you are, Okay.
I have been fortunate in my line of work that
I've worked with you know, and I've got resources for
transgender women, and I've had hours and hours of conversations

(01:01:01):
with transgender women, and especially because part of my job
was to help them get hormones, help them navigate through
different medical processes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
That they were choosing to do. If they you know
that that that could be an elected or even like
you know, when it came to even how to pay
for you know, procedures, if they wanted to go that route.
But I know that from what they were talking to
me about is that this is just who they were.

(01:01:33):
And we even know statistically that very few people, if
they happened to go through a transition with their gender
that very few people transitioned back to the gender that
they were signed at birth. It's like it's like in
a high ninety percent, right, So this whole thing, but
I regret it is it's not it's not like a

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very large populace of trans people who were to say
that they've done that. So and you are right that
oftentimes beliefs informed behavior, and we are seeing specifically laws
that are overtly oppressing to trans people. We have right

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now in the federal government in that just passed a
in this last bill that in my opinion, is now
beautiful that they were really defunding and taking away you know,
gender affirming care, medical care, even though you've had hours

(01:02:40):
of doctors coming to the hill testifying that this is
this is this is healthcare, this is medically this is
medical necessity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
This is not just because you know, somebody on a
whim decided to do this, No, do you know. And
and but unfortunately, because belief systems are so intertwined these
the as we were just talking about, how like the
separation of church and government is like such a it's

(01:03:10):
such a muddied line now to the point where it
doesn't even exist that people are legislating based on their
beliefs and not about on empiricism, so and and and
so like, and I know that, like you always here
sometimes propaganda talking about like the transgender agenda, and I
was like, I don't know what that means unless you're

(01:03:31):
saying that if you have an agenda to say that
you need medical care. Okay, I'm with that, you know,
but it's not that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Uh people that's in power, that are who are who
are supporting that right, we don't and and so like,
even and even if like I think it's perfectly fine,
you know, for a person who has been experiencing firsthand
how these belief systems are harmful to say that I'm

(01:04:03):
anti that because I because I feel that way as well.
I want to like pull out my extensions, Daisy. Every
time I hear these horrible arguments about keeping you know,
transgender people away from care or even you know, passing
bills that actually come against their specific existence. That's not right. Yeah,

(01:04:28):
I got on a soapbox for moment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
No, it's okay. I like, Daisy has a really nuanced
position here and is really trying to communicate something that
I think is I don't want to be missed because
what she's saying is from my understanding, is like, you know,
there are people who are anti trans right who we
would say clearly display bigotry. Are we doing the same
thing as anti theists? Or if we take an anti

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theis position, are we doing the same thing in some
kind of way?

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
To get to the heart of that, like, why am
I here? What are we doing here? I figured out
that Christian he really wasn't real one day, right, and
so I sought out a community and resources to help
me through that. And the ACA was one of those folks, right,
And so that's why I do what I do. And
if that makes me anti theist, then it is what
it is. But I didn't get here because somebody made

(01:05:18):
me get here. I didn't get here because somebody forced
me to change my beliefs. I didn't even get here
because somebody called me a bigot. I got here because
I figured out that something wasn't true. And by my
understanding of true meaning matching reality, and as Cynthia mentioned,
it does matching empirically right, matching logically, it seems to
fall through with these things, right, And you could say

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the same thing for folks who don't understand trans people.
They don't understand the lived experiences of trans people, the
reality of trans people, the various you know, life experiences,
and also science and circumstances that all go into that.
And so it's a failure of acknowledging reality. Is how
we would, you know, kind of understand that the same

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way that I think most bigots kind of failed to
understand reality. Right, So is it a lack of education
what we would call lack of education? Is it ignorance?
I think so. I think I think a bigotry comes
from an ignorance. And I don't think as anti theists
or folks who are sort of against the honestly bigotry
that comes from religious communities that makes so signorant. In fact,

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we approach it with the full knowledge of what the
extent of the harm that's done. Right, And that's how
I've always been. I've never knocked on people's churches and
told people you need to stop being a Christian. I
don't think I've ever told anybody on this show in
the years i've been doing this, you need to stop
being a Christian because that's a bad thing. I think
I've always tried to approach it from the sense of, well,

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how can we figure out what's true? But it's not true, right,
So I think as long as you take that stance, Daisy,
I don't think that makes you a bigot, right, I
think that makes you somebody who's concerned about other people's
well being, including your own, and you want to see
what's best for people. And sometimes that means walking away
from a religious institution. But sometimes christian isn't the problem.
Sometimes it's a people problem, you know what I mean.

(01:07:02):
Sometimes it literally is just people are just dicks. And
then so you know, like it is what it is.
I don't know, I think that's that's that's all I
could think of to say on that, Daisy, What do
you think.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Well, no, I totally understand. It's just it's just I
don't want any harm to come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
To anybody at all.

Speaker 7 (01:07:20):
I mean, like, I don't want harm to come to
people who have religion. And when I think of bigotry,
I think of people who do want harm towards me. Yeah,
And like that's not what I'm like, perhaps I'm using
the wrong label, Like maybe anti FeAs is not the
best way to present it, Like I'm not saying I
don't want you to be religious. Well, okay, I'm not

(01:07:43):
saying I don't. I don't like religious people. Like I
have plenty of religious friends. There are some of the
most loved people in my life, but like, I have
a preference that religion wasn't the thing because I think
people should like you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
When you recognize the institutional harms that religion brings, right,
and you see that as a net negative on society.
I think I think that's what an anti theist would be,
is somebody who says that that religion overall is a
net negative, right, or theism is a net negative. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
Yeah, but but but don't you think that the word
anti theists could be kind of conflated to seeing that
you're somebody who like who's religious people?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Well, yeah, I'm to some people's minds, I'm probably allegedly
an anti theist. And I'm sure not one hundred percent
sure what that means, right, I still don't know. It's
it seems to be a pretty loaded term. Yeah, so
it's it's not really a term I would use to
describe myself because I don't I don't fully know what
that means to be honest with you. But religious people
definitely might use that as a way to discredit me.

(01:08:47):
For sure.

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
Yeah, I'm the same boat, like I just I'm not
trying like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You're trying to figure it out. You're trying to you
want to here, here's here's my thing on this. Maybe
you don't need a label for yourself, right, Maybe you
don't need that category. Maybe maybe just be free in
recognizing that your opinions are nuanced and don't have a
great label for them, right, you know, why put yourself
in a box. I'm sure in your experience of figuring

(01:09:16):
out that you were a trans person, right, you had
to think outside the box a little bit. Right, Maybe
this is the same thing. Maybe it's like, hey, I'm
still figuring out my feelings on this, or maybe there's
not a great label for this, and you know, like
you just live with that. Maybe we don't have to
be anti theist or anti whatever to give it an
umbrella term for who we are. Maybe we just are
who we are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I don't know, And if I just can jump in,
I will a daisy, I don't I don't know, if
you just don't mind just me saying that I just
the fact that you're actually trying to work this out
because you really care about making sure that you're not
causing harm to people to others, right because you're empathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, tells me all that I need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And I think that if the person and I do
apologize for the music playing in the background, you know,
we've got toddlers here. But I what I think that
happened is that whomever knows that you are a person
who does not believe in a god or god's and

(01:10:17):
you know, may have used antitheis in the past or
whatever is trying to fall, you know, conflate those terms
between you know, being for anti trans versus anti theis,
and I don't think that they go together at all.
I think that those are two very different things. And
from even like my Google definition is, you know, anti

(01:10:40):
fas is a person who disopposes a god or god
a belief in a god or God's you know, Now,
if it means more than that, I don't know. That's
just what I got. But you know, from what I'm
hearing from you specifically, is that you are a person
that cares, that you are thoughtful and that you really

(01:11:04):
want to be a person that is living a life
where you are being honest and helpful to others, And
from my standpoint, that is far from being a bigot.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
I agree, you know, that makes a lot of sense.
Like I mean, I I don't want any harm done
to any religious person. I mean, like I have this
remote like non like I don't want to enforce this
in any way. I would prefer that people didn't have religions. However,

(01:11:40):
like I understand that people do and that you know,
I don't. I'm friends with a lot of these people,
and so I don't want anything bad to happen them.
I just have this sort of like underlying feeling that
like if the world didn't have religion, it would be
a little bit of a better place because people would
be basing their decisions off of like rational thinking, you know,

(01:12:00):
or skeptical thinking. And I don't know if that is
necessarily I mean, yeah, I still feel a little bit
bad because like, like I don't want to demean people
believe necessarily, because if they believe a certain thing, I
don't want to like come up to them and be like, hey,
you shouldn't believe this thing, Like I think that that's wrong,

(01:12:22):
Like people should be able to believe. I wish that
they wouldn't, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Don't want to.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
I don't I don't necessarily want to put anything behind
that and say like, oh, we shouldn't force that, Like
I mean, that's the exact type of thing that I'm
trying to fight against.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
But this is the kind of nuance that is hard
to go ahead Daysia interrupted you Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:12:42):
No, no, no, no ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Well, this is so it's hard about our community because
we don't have a clear consensus on this issue. I
think you're you're again, you're really good at getting to
the heart of something that is hard to parse out
because there's a couple of them, like you mentioned this
and blsit and assumption here, which is interesting that this
idea that people without religion are going to be better off, right,

(01:13:04):
And I think that's an idea that implicitly a lot
of atheists actually hold and may not necessarily say out loud,
but may inform why they do what they do. And
I think that that's interesting because I've definitely known some
people who didn't believe in God at all and are
still assholes, right, like you know, so, like there's definitely
a correlation between those who are part of organized religious

(01:13:26):
groups and the oppression surely that no contests there. Whether
people aren't going to be overall better off in every situation,
that's a harder thing to prove. It is the harder
thing to convince people of what I would instead think
of it as, at least for me personally, Sorry, there's
a gnat just right in my face. Oh my god,
it's distracting the hell out of me, and it's trying

(01:13:47):
to get in my mouth while I'm talking. So what
I would say personally is, regardless of whether people are
better off with religious beliefs, there are institutions right now
that are religious in nature that are actively causing harm
in people's lives, and I would like to dismantle those
institutions if possible. Right, So that's the way I would
think about it, because at the end of the day,

(01:14:08):
I know great I know people in my life. At
least one dude, who guy I've known for years and years,
is still a Christian despite the many conversations I've had
with him, still a Christian and still one of the
best dudes I know when it comes to helping out
with other people. And you know, if there's going to
be other people like that with him in the world.
I'm going to be okay with that, right. It's it's

(01:14:30):
the folks that are making an organized effort to do
otherwise that there is always going to be the top
of my concern at least. But I don't know, what
do you think, Daisy.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Well, I just think that there is a distinction to
be made between religious beliefs that are active and powerful
and religious beliefs that are like but and not powerful
or not not trying to change anybody else's beliefs, you know.
And I think there's a distinction there where, like you like, yes,

(01:15:01):
some some religious beliefs may not be as harmful as others.
So it's kind of like you have to, like, you know,
base your opinion about those things. Like I wouldn't advocate
for like a blanket law that says like nobody can
have religion Like that just sounds horrible and like authoritarian,
and I would never advocate for that. But like the

(01:15:22):
specific religious beliefs that are linking up towards power, towards
government and are doing things like I mean, if you
talk about a place like Iran or like, you know,
a lot of these theocracies you know. I mean the
religion is actively like people in there every single day,

(01:15:46):
and so I think that there's there's definitely a scale
and like a spectrum to it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
So yeah, but those are those institutions I'm talking about, right,
those are the ones I want to dismantle. Like, I'm
against that, right and I'm always going to fight against that.
So we're on the same page there. And again, if
that makes me an antitheist, then it is what it is.
But I'll know, I'll tell you one thing. I'm not
doing it because I'm bigoted. I'm not doing it because
I hate Christians or think they're inferior or Muslims or whatever.

(01:16:13):
I do it because I want to liberate people, right.
I mean, that's always going to be my stance on it.
And if you feel the same way, then I think
we're in good company. Right. But you know, we can't
have other people dictate how I feel or think about
things just because maybe it has a negative connotation to it, right,
I don't know. Some people may misunderstand my motivations and
maybe they'll misunderstand yours too, But like Cynthia said, I

(01:16:34):
think you're good. I don't know you. I think You're
a good person though, based on what I talk to
you from. So you know, as long as that's your forefront,
the label's just gonna be a label, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
And if I were just to tell you, Daisy, like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
And if I can just just just tell you, you
know something, Daisy, that I know that people may try
to misrepresent you and put you into a box just
because of like you know, maybe like a stance that
you have, but you know, just you know, keep keep
on doing you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, Hey, Kelly, keep on doing you, do you? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
And because because I think that, yeah, just just just
keep doing you. Just keep living your life and and
keep being empathetic and thoughtful and and and even like
if you want to go ahead and continue to have
these like thoughtful conversations where it could even be something
that could spark something to somebody else, to keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, I think you're doing the right thing, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
Yeah, that makes so much. Thanks so much, Cynthia, And
thanks so much objectively then, like really love talking to
you about this. That it did elucidate a lot of
things for me. So so thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Great. I hope so I hope, I hope we can
get Claire, because I'll be honest with you, this is
something I still struggle with myself, right, exactly what we're
doing here? How do we define that? What are the
limits of what I believe and don't believe about this
kind of thing? Right? And I'm I've left it with
this idea that I'm okay with this being an open question.
I'm okay with still figuring stuff out and not knowing

(01:18:08):
all the answers on this, as long as I know
my motivations for why I'm doing it, which is to
help other people, right, and to do what I can
with that. So I think I think that's the thing
we have to rely on at the end of the day.
At least that's what I'm choosing to believe. Daisy, I
don't know, but always great talking to you as well.
I hope you have a great rest of your weekend.
And I'll let you go for now. Thanks for calling

(01:18:29):
in Gosh, there's flies in here right now. It's summer
in Texas. Yes, Shar'd be crazy, Cynthia.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I had the same problem here in the in the
city of wind So I feel you subjectively objectively.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Data They came out of nowhere. We've been we've been
like being really good about cleaning stuff. We're putting all
the garbage in the can, not even in the trash
can in the case, we're trying to get rid of
it and that. And they just popped up and they're
flying all over my face.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Maybe maybe they were manifested by an open wine bottle
with a sack of flower.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yeah. Maybe let's go with the interpretation that Jesus was
actually a fly was trying to buzz around with his
good news.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Good news.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah, that was very good. That's very good. Oh on that? Wow,
how do you follow that up? Folks? I don't know.
We'll take it to Kelli here in just a second.

(01:19:39):
Before we do, I need to give to some more
super chats. We have ten dollars from Miranda Rensberger. Thank
you for that. Saying disagree with people's harmful beliefs and actions,
or even wanting them to stop holding those beliefs, doesn't
make you a bigot. The problem is the harm, not
opposing them. I like this idea, right because, like, we

(01:20:01):
all have religious people in our lives that we probably
cared be about, right, Like, so you know, we love
these people who they are, and we don't necessarily want
them to change everything about themselves. But there's going to
be some problems, right if my friends don't fuck with
trans people, they're they're not loving my friends, you know.
So like there's there's got to be limits to that.
Everybody has to navigate that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
So yeah, boundaries people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Yeah, for sure, bounderies are a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
They are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
They are. And another of five dollars from Kelly Detroit
atheist Queen King that he says, Hey, Cynthia, so there
you go there, Kelly response.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
There, that's my that's my fellow being black non believer
in Detroit area.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Very good friend of mine. Thank you very much for
the five, and thank you for the ten. Thank you
for the fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
How about I just give you a high ten and
and that's fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Bam, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
That's great. And speaking of of being great, let's bring
Kelly back on again real quickly, just say thanks again
Kelly for the very entertaining opening and giving us all
something to think about. Let's put it that way. I'm
glad you got to tell them. I'm expecting more family

(01:21:23):
drama stories when I get back. I won't.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
I'm telling you, I'm gonna I'm gonna check with my sister.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
She's the one who does I want the family. So
I want you to go to ancestry dot com and
pull up some tea. Okay, I need I know this,
But can you remind folks what the question this week is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
I can't do that if you believe it or not. Yeah,
I'm looking at the back cruise freaking uh. Notice what
can you say to your psychic but not your spouse? Yes,
I was gonna say you put your answer below, not
in the in the comments on the side, but down
below so we can read it out next week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Read it down below and we'll be happy to take
a look at that. What I won't, but Kelly will
probably next week. And Cynthia, thanks so much for being
on the show today. You are great for that. We
are going to be doing an after show here as
well in just a second if you want to join
us for that, so go to the Atheistmmunity Austin fan discord.

(01:22:21):
Link to that is in the description if you want
to hang out in just a little bit here, Cynthia,
we're about to close out today's program. Thanks for being
with us. Any words of wisdom for us before we
wrap it up?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Boundaries are good. Keep being good yep yep, and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Make sure that you are not making your sack of
flower bread with bloody wine.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I like that words to live by. Thank you, Cynthia,
Thank you to the crew, Thank you to everybody watching
the show. Remember to always keep wanting the truth and
we'll see you next time. Watch the non profits and

(01:23:18):
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