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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Recently, a famous psychic investigator passed away while on tour
with a supposedly cursed dole named Annabelle. Now, many supernatural
proponents were quick to jump to blaming the doll for
his death, or, more precisely, the haunting of the doll,
which leads one to wonder, can a cursed item really
cause harm to someone? We'd like to hear what you
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think because the show is starting right now. Oh once again,
I him. Welcome to another episode of Truth Bone and
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I'm your host, Kelly Laughlin. And this is a live
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It is a product of the Atheist Community of Austin,
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separation of religion and government. And every week we have
a special guest and my spirit he special guest this
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week is the amazing Jimmy Junior. I'm so happy to
see him. Hi, Jimmy, oh man.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I am doing great, Kelly. It's been such a long
time since we work together, so I'm so happy to
be here tonight with you.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You you always bring out the best in me, so so.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You've said, and I'm hey, I'm I'm happy to take
that and bring out the best in you tonight. So
you look good, you sound good. This is gonna be
a good show. And we want a caller. We have
a caller that keeps coming in and keeps getting dropped,
and I want to tell that caller, don't give up,
Do not give up. Keep calling.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We're gonna talk to you tonight at some point. Yeah, look,
did you through. We'll work it out. I guess we're
just having some problems with the phones. Well, we'll work
it out before it's all over. So you've taken a
little bit of a hiatus, and I'm like amazingly like
excited that you your comeback is with me. This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So yeah, yeah, thanks, uh yeah. So I I took
the time. I went away for work. I was sent
away for for two months to go do my job.
But I took that time to kind of do some
self care, you know. I lost a little weight, change
my diet, and you know, focused on working out and
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reading and uh, just kind of stepping back from social media.
I did a little bit of a cleanse there, and uh, yeah,
I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I just I needed I needed a little bit of headspace.
You know, sometimes I just need a break. I took
a break today. Actually, I by myself, took the train
down into New York City, walked around the city alone,
went to the New York City Tenement Museum alone, uh,
and went on a tour and saw apartments from the
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late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. In fact, I went
on a very specific tour. It was the women of
the tenements, and so the tour guide covered what life
was like not just for women of the immigrant class
in early nineteenth or excuse me, early twentieth century New
York City, but specifically Jewish women and what their role
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is and how that role differed from standard American women.
Fascinating stuff. But yeah, man, I just took a break,
you know, and I'm home here with you man.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we're a lot of the cultural differences religious in
nature kind of. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So I think the biggest one that stood out was
that part of it was it's kind of a religious
calling for at least Jewish women of the time, is
coming from Eastern Europe to be the head of finances
in the household, and that was so the husband can
focus his efforts on having a more spiritual connection with God.
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So in managing finances, which is not something that women
in America did typically, in doing that, they were actually
fulfilling their religious obligation. And so yeah, I would say
that that was a religious difference, sure, but yeah, fascinating stuff.
And after that, I went and met up with a
friend of mine that I've known for thirty eight years
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who is a successful businessman and he's he lives in
Dubai and he comes back for a month every year,
and so I got to go hang out with him.
We had some New York pizza, like a couple of
good New Yorkers are supposed to do. And yeah, it
was a good day, man. And you know what, I'm
here capping it off with you, man, I haven't had
a Friday this exciting in a long time, long time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's awesome, man, I haven't had. I had a really
exciting day yesterday, but nothing really amazing like you had today.
That's all except for right now. Yeah, it's amazing for
me right now.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You had something amazing happening recently. Didn't you go to
the ARC protest?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can? They did go to the ARC protest a couple
of weekends ago. Yes, I was down there with a
lot of I met a lot of great new content creators,
people I had never met before. I had met so
many great new people. I did not go into the Ark,
but the day before the protest, John the Skeptic, one
of the other hosts of the show, and John Gleeson
the Godless Engineer, and Nancy from the Apostates Sisters and
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I all toured the Nation Museum. So we had a
great time. Well, we got a super chat. Okay, we're no,
we're going to do tonight. We're going to do the
instant fun facts for everybody like we've been doing.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I got a quick fun fact coming off. The Atacama
Desert in South America is the driest place on Earth.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It averages less than one millimeter of rainfall a year.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Interesting well, hey, since we're talking about deserts, let me
tell you a fun fact about deserts. Until about eleven
thousand years ago, son in BCE, the Sahara Desert was
actually a very humid, booming, lush, vegetative place where a
lot of people lived. It was not the arid desert
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that we know of today. So between about nine thousand
years ago excuse me, nine thousand and about three thousand BCE,
it started drying up and all of those civilizations began
to settle in the Nile River valley, which is where
we got the development of Egypt and Nubia. So there
you go.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Deserts, deserts all around. Do you know about the Cave
of Swimmers? I don't think so, No, I'm not sure.
So it's a rock shelter in the Sahara Desert where
they actually have a rock art of people swimming all
the middle of the desert from back in the days
when the whole Sahara was green and had water in it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
That is it is cool. Right, they're like nine thousand
years old or something. Oh my goodness, I'm right out
check that out. Yeah, cool man. I just since you
mentioned that I thought. You know, we'll take it a
little bit more. We'll keep these facts going, right, what
was the super chat?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Can we read that? Are we wait until? Wait?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, you know, can we put the super chat back up?
I know it came from Luke and there we go.
It was just two pounds. Hey, thanks, appreciate it. I
was gonna make a joke about pounds, but I blew it.
So what were we talking about before that happened? Though?
I forgot? Oh, I was on there. I've met a
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lot of great new people and hopefully I'm some of
the people I met will be able to see on
the show in the future. Keeping my fingers crossed. Yeah,
we stated up never BnB with a bunch of people
I had never met before, and I had a great time.
And Nancy from the Apostates sister said I was adorable,
which I've been telling everybody for the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, that's a good compliment, especially for you.
I'm sure she's the only person that thinks.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Somebody call me.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Adorable yesterday too, So nice man, you're.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
On a roll, You're all I am. I actually thought
it was pretty funny and coincidental that I got it
twice in two weeks. So what else have you been
up to?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Man? So, as people may know, I'm in the Air Force.
I'm an officer in our great United States Air Force,
And for two months I went down to basic training
and taught grappling and hand in hand combat and so
it was just it's combatives. But I say that to
kind of, you know, explain exactly what it is. I
wasn't down there doing karate or anything, but you know,
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it's you know, I'm not an expert or anything, but
it's kind of a way to teach young leaders coming
into the military to deal with tense situations. You know,
a lot of them are young and have never been
in a fight before and don't even know what they're
physically capable of. So I was spending some time doing that.
I have been doing jiu jitsu for a while, and
so I've been up to that. You know, I've been
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back in training and yeah, man, I've just been enjoying
my time with my family this summer. You know. Again,
for the beginning of the summer, I was away, So
I came home and we actually had a deck built
on the back of our house. So we've been grilling
up and hanging out and having our coffee out.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
There in the morning.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
It's been lovely. So I am enjoying life right now,
and thank you for taking an interest in what I'm doing. Man.
You know, I feel like I'm in a good place.
I needed that time away, I think, uh, to just
kind of regroup. You know. Sometimes you get so busy,
and I did miss my family and I missed all
of you guys.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But I'm back, so, you know, speaking of miss I
would be remiss if I didn't mention that today is
our amazing associate producer, Katie's birthday. So I want to
wish a big happy birthday to Katie. Hi, Katie, Happy.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Birthday, Happy birthday Katie. Yes, Katie is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So she's not here tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
She's usually here. She's usually around when I'm around.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But that's Okay's she We're the black sheep of the ACA.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, well, it's her birthday.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
She shouldn't be hanging out with I'm not only joking
about that, we're really not. I opened up talking about
Annabelle and Dan Rivera, who was a famous psychic investigator
and he was on tour with the Donald Annabel that
was mostly haunted. It was dropped off at a psychic
museum by a medical medical nursing student many years ago
who claimed it was and that and the student claimed
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it was haunted, and uh he passed away on the
tour with the doll. So a lot of a lot
of normal believers. Really, I've been jumping right on that.
What do you what do you think about that? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think it's fascinating. This isn't the only instance in
which somebody thinks that a relic or a doll or
something has some kind of spiritual power that can affect
the outcome of things, right, Uh, and so I kind
of find the whole thing fascinating because it's not just
in one culture or in one area of the world.
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You know, this has happened. This happens all over the
place where people think that they get influenced by by uh,
you know items. There's there's an old adage, Uh, there
are enough pieces of the cross.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
To build a forest.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Uh. You know all of the relics that are out there.
You know that that speaks to kind of the the
U I guess the the farce of it all the
way that people kind of make up that they've got
these things, but you know, this is really something that's
near and dear. And it's not only this Annabelle doll
or things like it. But we've got the voodoo culture
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and we've got people who hang things in their house.
I mean, is it any different to have a cross
hanging in your house because you think it brings you
good luck, then to think that were not even luck really?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know, strength pass right?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah? Is that any different than thinking harm can come
to somebody from from some kind of relic? And I
just I find the whole thing fascinating. I wonder if
people ever really think about that, you know, why is
your relic so different from somebody else's relic? And why
is some relics? Why are some relics so stupid?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But yours?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yours is not stupid? Right? And so yeah, that's those
are my initial thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Kelly, Yeah, I was. We mentioned I was thinking of
prayer candles too, you know, all the people burning prayer
candles because they think it's going to bring them some
kind of blessing. I never Oh, somebody in the chat
was mentioning a lucky rabbit's foot too. Yeah, there's a
lot of there's a lot of things on the other
side that just the opposite of a curse that people
think of and do all the time without even thinking
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about it. Right, yep, Yeah, do what I was supposed
to do before and bring in our back up post.
Helen Green. Hi, Hello, Helen is going to do last
week's We Want the Truth or the w WTT segment. So, Helen,
what do you got for us?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Okay, so last week we asked you what can you
say to your second but not your spouse? And here
are our favorite answers. So number three, with all things considered, duh.
Something you can say to your psychic but not your spouse.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You tricked me and I want my money back. I
was ridding. My money is my my wife's money now
I don't even get.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What when you get married your money is not your
own money anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You just let that go. Guys.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Number two Matt Kay, I'm seventy thirteen. Something you can
say to your psychic, but now your spouse. Can you
help me find my soulmate?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Number one Mike Mark Ruell seven fifty Something you can
say to your psychic, But now your spouse should I
attend the Coplay concert with my mistress?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What good? Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I love our audience, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So what is our problem for next week?
Speaker 6 (14:01):
So?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
What is Annabel so mad about? Is our prop for
next week.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So everybody please put your comments and your answers in
the doublee dooo below and we will pick three to
bread next week. So, Kelly, what is Annabel so mad about?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think she's so mad because I got some other
doll of a player in the movies.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Probably, yeah, and that's why she's cursed.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Jimmy, why do you think Annabell is so angry?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Because we've been calling her she this whole time and
she's really a he and we've been dressing her up
in dresses. But she just wants to wear the damn
sports jersey and wants to wants to be able to
just hang with the boys, and we're not letting her.
That's why for.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Him, she wants she wants to be a raggedy Andy,
not a raggedy ann That's what.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's what she She is a raggedy and she is
a raggedy Annie. Branna Belt never had a choice, did
she No, she didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
No, No, she didn'togny, Well, thank you so much, Helen.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
We'll bring you back up at the end of the
show and tell us what you thought about what we
said and done here tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So she said, she goes. Helen says, damn misogyny. And
I remember from the Barbie movie. I thought one of
the most hilarious things but also like one of the
most troubling things because it's actually kind of true, was
where Ken comes in and he's he's going to talk
to all the men in the real world. He's like, hey,
is this where we do patriarchy? And all the men
are like, yeah, we do patriarchy. And I'm just like,
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oh god, there's probably men that really think that way.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. We
have got a ton of calls here today like that's
this is awesome. Doctor Benton Quest he him from Texas,
says text to church is a bad idea with consequences
not being thought through. So hi, doctor Bentam quest Kelly, Hello.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Kelly, Hello, Jimmy. I hope you're both will Hey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, good to hear you. So, So what do you
what like I I am with you. I think tax
the church is a bad idea too. What what are
your ideas? Let's compare notes.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
Well, there are so many, there are so many unintended
consequences of that. I mean, yes, on first blush, Yeah,
let's let's let's screw them. Yeah, but do you really
want to tax the Salvation Army, the Unitarian Universalists, the
Native American Church, the many many progressive liberal churches that
are on our side? I'm sorry saying yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah,
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those five oh one se If you tax those five
oh one c threes, what keeps you from taxing the
the ASPCA, or the Red Cross or the the thousands
of other charitable organizations who are doing like work exactly?
Plus that and this is we're kind of seeing this
happen now, which is disturbing. But if you tax them,
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then you free them to do political activism. So yeah, there,
you don't. We want to, We want to, We want to.
All they need to do is make the churches observe
the same rules as other five oh one three c's
and reveal their paperwork.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That's it. That's it. I totally agree with you that
that's that's the advantage that the churches have over other
nonprofits is they don't have to make their books public
and all the all the other nonprofits do, and churches
should not be exempt from that. I totally agree with you.
That's the real problem with taxing the church or with
giving them tax free status.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
And Salvation Army, the Salvation Army, which is a church,
does phenomenal ilium ascenary work. They get people jobs, they
feed people, they house people. They're one of the most
effective charitable organizations in the world. They do tremendous good.
Do you want to tax that? Really?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm an agreement to me. You have an opinion on this.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I do. I mean, that's a very good point, and yeah,
many of them do tremendous good. I think that the
original reason for creating a wall between religion and government
in the first place was to make sure that no
church got so big, right and so that, and so
powerful and had so much influence to where they can
sway the government to do what they wanted. And I
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think that once you tax churches and you allow them
into the political realm, by doing so, we really kind
of overturned the intent of the Constitution. And by the way,
while I'm on that I did misspeak on the last call.
It's actually three fourths of the States and three forths
of the Senate. But in order to ratify the Constitution,
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or excuse me, ratify the amendment, it has to be
ratified by seventy five percent of the legislature in both
houses of Congress. So I kind of just I merged
my facts there and misspoke. But in any case, yeah,
I think when it comes to the spirit and intent
of the Constitution, the state sponsored religion, we would be
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doing a disservice to the American people by giving too
much power to religion, because think about it, there are
a lot of religions out there that would be gobbled
up by a more powerful religion. And if that were
if that religion were held to the same standards as
other businesses that were allowed to lobby, and that we're
allowed to support candidates, that big religion, the Catholic Church,
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for example, a multi billion dollar industry, right would just
gobble up these small Baptists and Unitarians and other churches
by buying them out, buying up their property, and eliminating
them to make sure that only the Catholic influence was
able to be the main influencer. So I do think
that taxing that excuse me, not taxing churches would be
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the smart way if we want to keep them out
of government.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Could come you said you had some other government.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
By the way, I'm sorry, I'm on the landline. So
we're fighting the delay here. Thank you Jimmy for that correction.
I wasn't sure about that percentage myself. Well, it's been
well said that if religion ever becomes the tool of government,
we have a problem. The reverse is equally true, if
government ever becomes the tool of religion, we have a problem.
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So those two the founding fathers, had seen years and
years of warfare in Europe over nonsense, over religious differences
that didn't really amount to a hill of beans, and
they knew that we didn't want to go there. We
did not.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
One year they were burning Catholics and the king would change.
In the next year they were burning Protestants.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly right. Well, I'm sorry, I
wish I could have been more controversial.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You know what it is, I have noticed because i've
I have the same opinion. I voiced it many times
to atheists, and it is a controversial opinion. I have
gotten a lot a lot of kickback when I brought
it up in the past, so you're right, it actually
is a controversial subject among atheists. A lot of atheists
really think we should tax the churches. But as you
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pointed out, it opens them up to being politically active,
and it if we're going to make them pay taxes,
we're going to have to make all nonpropits pay taxes.
So there are a lot of negative ramifications to it.
And I think that if atheists throwt it through a
little bit more, I think we'd have a lot of
less of us saying that we should tax them.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So you know what I want to I want to
point out I think I think I think the atheists,
overall atheist perspective, or at least the ones that think
the church should be taxed, I think that comes from
a place of atheists not having confidence in religious people
that they would uphold their institutions. So if the church
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needed taxes, right, or if it's church were taxed, it
would need more money. I don't think that most of
the American public would give more money, and therefore churches
would shrivel up and die, right, And they would they
would disappear because they can't sustain themselves. However, there are
some that would be able to withstand, and those are
the ones that we have to be worried about, you know,
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the churches that have billions of worldwide followers, that can
bring that cash in and that can sustain themselves and
inject themselves to American politics. And so for those reasons, well,
and I do think that you'd see a lot of
churches bought out by restaurants and stores and things like that,
you know, other businesses when they couldn't sustain themselves. A
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lot of property, right, all of that property that churches
use up and don't have to pay property taxes on,
that would be money well spent for the infrastructure of
our country, for endless amounts of programs. But the problem
is the big churches. Those are the ones that we
need to be worth about. And so I think the
atheist said that want the churches to be taxed, it
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comes from a good place, but it's yeah, it's not
well fall through to.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Kelly's point, You're you're addressing a problem, uh cirtuitously, if
the churches are taxed, that would make them profit centers
therefore contributions would no longer be tax deductible.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Right, mm hmmm, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Wouldn't that follow? Wouldn't that follow logically? If you're it
can no longer you can no longer take that off
your your income tax as a charitable cont deduction because
it's not charitable anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah. Yeah, and then they would just keep demanding more money.
The ten percent in the Bible would suddenly uh become inflated.
And then and then you know, we got another thing
to point at. Well, Jesus was no economic genius apparently.
So yeah, good call, yeahan call. Yeah, thanks, thanks doctor quest. Kelly.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I want i one last thing. Kelly has supported me
in this before. I am a longtime atheist, and I
am a church member in my local progressive, liberal, gay, welcoming,
open armed church. And these are I'm an upfront atheist
up there. I'm the guy in Sunday school class who
points out that daniel Is was written two hundred years
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you know after in half of Pauline letters are not
really from Paul and they have no problem with it.
They're like, oh I didn't know that. Oh interesting. But
some atheists have given me some serious shit over going
to church.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Have to say. You know, my first thought there is
your church must really be desperate for people if.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Teach their kids. I don't know what kind of church.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Your church does not sound like a Christian church. And
I'm glad that you're there. But man, I got questions.
I just don't think we have time for.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, we got We still got quite a bunch of cars.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
So those there are plenty of the There are plenty
of progressive churches out there, but they don't they don't
get the press that the Kenneth Copelands and the Robert Kilt.
There are lots of progressive churches, many of whom are
on our side. But so make make some friends at
a church. If you're an atheist, you'll find some allies there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Well. Thanks, I appreciate the colin I always look forward
to talking to you. So do me a favor. Say
hi to Race and give Banded a pet for me,
and we are going to move on with that.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
One those his pets.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's from the Johnny Quest cartoon show. Oh I, Doctor
Penn Quest was and Race Bannon was his bodyguard and
he had a son, Johnny and his buddy Hodgie and
they had a dog bandit.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I remember Johnny and Hodgy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I've aged myself. I remember watching reruns as a kid,
but I am not not up to date.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
On my knowledge, not like you. I uh. I was
a big cartoon fan when I was a kid. You
know what, I it's been so long since I hosted
the show. It hasn't been that long, really, like five
weeks or something. But I keep forgetting to do stuff.
And one of the things I forgot, which is like
really super super important, is to bring up the Patreon
of the week, the patroon of the week, one of
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our donors at Patreon. We always like to point him
out every week, and this week we are going to
say hello and thank you too. I'm waiting for it
to Klevi Helvetti. Hey, that's the name. I've heard quite
a round, quite a bit around. All right, thank you,
Kleve Helvetti. Appreciate it. Thanks for supporting the show. And
you too can help support the show by going to
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Patreon and joining our patreon at at tiny dot cc
splash patreon. Tw I believe it is. I'm hoping that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think you're spot on.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, yeah, I am. I just found it. I couldn't
find down the document. I just always like cool. My
memory did not fail me.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
So that's that's experience right there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That's an experienced ghost. I got one thing right at
least right. And then I'm going to move on to
our next caller, and it's somebody that I have often
said is one of my favorite callers on the show.
It's John from Canada. So we're going to bring him up,
but he wants to discuss the meaning of whoa and
how it's wrong. So Hi, John, how's it going.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm doing good, John. I appreciate you calling.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Before we got the apartment for seven. Jimmy Junior, I
heard earlier that I heard ear I heard earlier that
you were down in Texas training people how to fight.
Did you you have im martialized background.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I wasn't in Texas. I didn't say Texas. I didn't
disclose my location on purpose, and I actually wasn't completely
honest about where I was or what I was doing.
I was very vague, and that's on purpose, But yeah,
I was. I was teaching very basic hand in hand
combat and grappling, grappling skills to incoming military personnel.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
That's interesting. What style? What style do you practice?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Mostly Brazilian jiu jitsu and uh, you know it was
it was a grappling type of wrestling art. So I
just want to say, since you know, I need to
take a few minutes now, since I've brought up my
professional career as a military member, I just want to
say that my thoughts and opinions are my own and
that I don't represent any component of the Department of Defense,
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the United States government, or the military in any way,
shape or form. With that being said, though, John, can
we move on to your call, please to your question?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Okay, okay, I just wanted to say, okay, before we
got to start, I just want to know what is
your definition.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Of I tend to use the original definition that was
used by the black community when they started using it.
It was it was meant to be aware of what
was happening, like you needed to be You needed to
be woke in case somebody snuck up on you. Don't
be caught sleeping and.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Listen to Kelly and his streets slang. Hell yeah, man,
you would do well up here in New York with me, dude,
I grew up on the streets.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I was homeless for a while. Remember, Yeah, yeah, I'm
pretty streets. I'm pretty. I'm I was lucky to be
BookSmart and street smart.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I want to say I'm again. I think it's I
think it's wrong. I think it divides that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It's what the people.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It divides people.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
He's okay, okay. But the divisions are already there though,
aren't they, John, Isn't it just the definition of the
division that's already there.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
But certainly we're working to limit divisions. For instance, under
world policies, let's say two people a man, a black man,
a white man. I'm competing for the same job. The
black man will get the job over the white man
because he's black.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That is a gross That is a I think that
is a gross generalization about policies that this country has adopted.
But it's not an end all, be all to every scenario. Yes,
there are certain there certainly have been a minority quotas,
not just for black people, but for women and others.
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But that's not the way that every job hiring process ends.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, it's actually there was like quotas where universities and
stuff and those have been ruled illegal by this Supreme Court,
and we've done away with those here in the United States.
But it's not First off, that's not what you were
talking about. Was not woke. I think that's more like
DEI right. And so let's let woke is more like
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being aware of the situation, is what I would say.
And now you're talking about one of the situations that
you should be woke about, is THEI right? And it's
not that the black man is going to get the
job before the white man. It's to make it so
that the black man has the same opportunity to get
that job as the white man has. That's all it is.
It's a and it's not just black man. It's any
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member of any minority has the same chance to get
that job as any member of the majority. Does that
make sense, John, It does make sense.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But you do agree with me that at the end
it should be the best man or a woman.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think everybody. I think everybody is in agreement.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
John. The thing is though, that sometimes the best man
or best woman is not selected because of how they look,
who are, who they are, where they come from, or whatever. Uh.
And and that's why we have the policies in place
that you're talking about. And for you to say that
woke is divisive, woke is a response to the division.
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Woke is a way of reminding people not to accept
everything they're told and to keep their eyes open and
their their mind open to understanding the way things might
really be, like systemic racism in the United States.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And so I would say that I disagree with your
interpretation of the term woke.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So that's not what that's not what what is not
what woke means.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You said woke means division, right, if if I can generalize,
and Kelly and I are both in agreement, that woke
means to remain aware.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
To remain aware of that division, right, to not be
blind to it, and to and especially the people who
are going to be suffering from that division, to be
to be awake to it, to awake to the danger
and the inequality, and hopefully work to change things, you know.
And I think that's something that us in the majority,
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in me being a white cis male in America, I
got high one in the lotter right, the lottery in America.
And I think it's up to people like me and
Jimmy to work at that too, to make it an
equal thing for everybody, and it just and it just
isn't mostly today because there is a majority of people
who would pick a majority person to fill that job,
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oftentimes even over a more qualified candidate. I think we're
I think we're really working at ending that in the
in the in the US at least, and hopefully in
the next thirty forty to fifty years we can abolish
it all together.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well, Kelly, when I see you, I don't see a
cist white male or iis see you, Kelly, and I
don't know what to do for a living, But if
you can bring something to an organization, that's all that
I tell.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Look a John, I appreciate what you're saying, but I
don't think any of us are absent of bias or
of some kind of influence by the outside world. We
are all subject and victims of programming, and we have
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to work relatively frequently and very hard to make sure
that we overcome that programming. This thing called white privilege,
which people insist doesn't exist. I tend to disagree with
the same way that I can count on, or at
least for a majority of my life, count on turning
on the TV and seeing all white people that were
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just like me, who probably had lives that were very similar,
is something that is unique to white people. How many people,
how many black people in America turned on Friends or
Seinfeld and thought I can relate none of them? And likewise,
those shows didn't have very many black people in them,
And that just goes to show you how And I
don't think that those shows were purposely racist. I just
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think that those shows were victims of programming, the people
that created it, the people the entire system that allowed
that show to take to the airwaves for so long.
If we look back, that goes through the United States history.
Let's look at shows like The Little Rascals, which I
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think was in the nineteen thirties. You know, just goes
to show you that the black kids in that show
were poor and raggedy and had bad speech. And you
know what, as a kid who grew up in the
eighties and nineties, I often saw the same thing on
TV when it came to black people. And so, you know,
I need to make sure that I don't let those
earlier influences in my life affect my decision making. And
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I can't say that I've been perfect throughout my life.
I just need to be woke to that taking place
and be cognizant of when I may come under that
kind of influence and that kind of thinking, and work
to overturn it.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's the way I see that excellent.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Okay, well let me tell you something. Let me tell
you something. I'm telling you this right now. I'm telling
you this right now. When someone watches a movie or
TV show, they're not thinking, oh, we're all the black people,
we're all the we're all the Latin were all the game.
You might not be that's I want to let let me,
let me, let me finish.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
They're thinking this, this is a good story. If you
have a good story with characters that you can relate
with and it makes you feel something, I guarantee you
people will read the book the ALTERNATIV show to pay
a ticket. For instance, the original Star Wars trilogy worked. Okay,
the original Star Wars movie had nothing about white people,
but I guarantee you black people, people in Japan and
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one to love that movie because it was good. It
was a universe, so universal archetypes. It was good against evil.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
This is because this is incredibly wishful thinking.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I just I want to go back to what Jimmy
and I were both gonna stop you on before. I
I think Jimmy was right, that's not the way you think.
But other people do think that way, and that's part
and that's part of it. And here here's one of
the things too. A lot of minority people think that way.
A lot of minority people watch Star Wars and they wonder,
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how come there's nobody like that looks like me in
this movie? Right? I still love the movie. I still
love it. I still love it.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No, no, John, you don't get to come on the
show and yell at us and talk over us. All right,
We're giving you an opportunity to talk. I've been real nice, John,
you know. But there there are a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
There are a lot of black people, a lot of Natinos,
a lot of women that watched Star Wars and they
were like, why aren't there more people that look like
me in this movie? I love this movie. It was
a great plot, the filming was great, special effects were
amazing in its day. I went and saw Star Wars
three times the first week at the theater when it
came out. I loved it. Right, It was a great
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freaking movie, and I think everybody will agree it's a
great movie. But but there are people who say, who
think that, you know, this is a whole universe. Are
there no black people in this entire universe, the Star
Wars universe? Are there no brown people? Are there no?
You know, are there no people of color at all?
Where are all the women at there? Doesn't seem to
be enough women. They went into the bar in moss
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Eisley and there was one person that seemed to be
a female and that was the singer, and nobody else
in the bar that I can remember, you know, So
I mean there is that it kind of is a
kind of a warped view of the reality of the
diversity of people, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Okay, I'm saying this right now as a black person.
I never once bought that.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I paid attention to the story and I loved it,
and I didn't care that Luke was white or black.
I don't want fought where the white people were, the
black people whatever. And that's what good storytelling is about.
And I guarantee A probably wouldn't went back to that.
You would make tons of more money. I don't think
I know they would. You're a smart guy, killer, I
know you agree.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
No, you can't say that you don't know. Kelly just
told you what he thinks. I can't.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I can't predict if it would make more money or not.
I really can't, but I but I I have you
know what, Like I said, I know there's there's a
lot of people who feel that way, and I have
to respect them.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
One of the crew said, Billy d Williams was black Lando,
and I was like, yeah, but he wasn't in the
original movie. He came into second movie, so Landel cal Rizian.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
And you know, it's it's funny too, because because Hollywood
recognized the need for integration in some of these cases.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Right, Orlando got brought in.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Look at Ghostbusters, right, The Ghostbusters in the movie starts
off three white guys, right, and then they hire a
black guy who just is looking for a job. You
know that. Yeah, And he has no scientific background, he's
not an educated professor like the other three. I mean
that speaks of a dichotomy of thinking there. It's like, well,
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let's bring this black guy in, but let's not make
the black guy that qualified. He just needs a job, right,
So at least now we've got a balanced cast where
we have a black person to attract a black audience,
but we're still going to suppress his success a little bit,
which is what white America has done to black people
since black people have been in this country.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Against some of the best lines in that movie too.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think he's a great actor. Ernie Hudson is a
great actor.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
That's a big Tweakie.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hey, John, I appreciate that you're black and you bring
a different perspective than what I'm used to hearing. I
just think it's not in alignment with the woke movement.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
You know, John, I always love talking to you. You
know that, I always love hearing your opinion. So I'm
and I as much as we as much as we
might disagree, I always hope that we could stay friendly
with each other.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
So, Kelly, are you still there?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm still here?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Heymy Yeah, Okay, Kelly. I don't want to argue with you,
but I just feel I just feel that, Okay, you
have to agree with me that we have to get
a better raism. Correct.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I think, yes, I agree to that. I will I
will agree that we do need to get rid of racism.
But I also think that we need to go ahead.
I let you go first, go ahead, We're going to
make a point, and I cut you off. I'm sorry, Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
The problem here we're disagreeing about how to do it.
I believe that we shall all be just as human beings,
and we should be thinking of each other as divisions.
Honestly believe that.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I agree. It's just how do we get there?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's that's the problem. And I think one of the
big problems is because the majority that has been in
power for centuries is institutionalized in that power and has
made it so that in many places, maybe not where
you live or not everywhere, but it has made it
difficult for people who are minorities to get ahead or
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not did not get ahead, but just to be even
with the ruling majority. And part of getting rid of
racism is getting rid of that institute, those institutions that
have been controlled by that ruling majority for centuries. That
we need to get to make the whole system a
little bit more fair for everybody, because the system was
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set up for a certain group and class of people.
If that makes any sense to you, John, So to me,
it's like we have to we have to kind of
like deconstruct the institution that the institutions that we have
and sort of rebuild them. And that's not something that
just happens overnight. It's something that you chip away at
and work on slowly. And part of that is and
one of the first things you have to do is
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make people aware that there's a problem. And that's what
the woke movement about, is making people aware of that problem.
I don't think it's giving us any and I'll be honest,
I don't think that the woke movement is giving us
answers on how to move forward, like really good ones.
But it is doing a good job of making people
aware that the problem is there and that it needs
to be changed, and it's making people stand up and
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try to change things.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
So Okay, well maybe we agree to disagree, but I'll
talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Killing Okay, cool, John, Thanks for colling. I Like I said,
I always enjoy talking to you, John, I always have
for years now. You've always voted my favorite callers.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Like what, I have a good day?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah you have YouTube, John, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
That was a good call. But I I don't think
John likes me. I.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You know, a lot of hosts have had difficult times
with John. I for some reason, I get along great
with him, and I you know, have you been following
to John saga over the last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Now, I don't think no, No, I've been gone.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
John has come on told us and admitted that he's
turned into an atheist.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, oh that's yeah. So and you know when John
came up and I saw the designator, well it said
agnostic next to his name. In any case, I have
talked to John before, and I remember John being a feist,
and I don't remember if it was you and I
on truth wanted. I think it might have been. John
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called us just to say God bless you or something
like that, right one day, and then hung up and
that was that. No Merry Christmas, Mary, it was mery.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah, I was. Yeah, he did that.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
He said, I just want to say Merry Christmas. And
I think, you know, and I thought it was nice.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Anytime a theist responds in or or approaches me in
their feest way, I try to give them the benefit
of the doubt, especially you know, if they're a nice
person like John. Yeah, I think that was good and
you and I said thanks, and you know, happy holidays
or something. But in any case, I always like talking
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to John, and I'm happy to see the journey that
John has made. Uh, and I appreciate talking to him.
So I hope he hope he enjoys talking to me,
because he was very friendly with you at the end.
But he didn't say goodbye to me. And that's well.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
John and I, John and I, John and I have
a couple of year history of being nice to each other. Great, great, great,
So we got we have one more call, and we
got about fifteen minutes left. So, uh, you want to
just jump right into it? Yeah, sure, Okay. We got
Georgie from Bulgaria. He him who says physical reality is
our simulation we're bringing out here. We go, Hi, Georgie,
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how are you slow?
Speaker 6 (44:05):
And good?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Good? Good? What do you mean by physical reality is
a simulation? I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
Our simulation. We have created it, we upgraded it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
We created physical reality.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I'm sorry. Yeah, yes, so you think it's a simulation
that we created.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Yes, I believe that we are a family of infinite,
eternal souls of awareness and we have created physical reality
because it provides an opportunity to experience anything meaningful, anything joyful.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Okay, I've got to I have to know what you
mean by infinite souls.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Of wars, soul of awareness. Yes, we need a definition,
We need a definition. And then how do you know
that that's what we are?
Speaker 6 (44:54):
In my point of view, physical reality, matter, time, space
does not exist. We're actually in spirits right now.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, we got that, we got that part.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
But yeah, but why do you believe that? And how
can you prove that that's what is happening?
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Because there is new information coming in people all over
the world are channeling being from beyond earth.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Okay, is there any proof of this or it's just
that people are saying they're channeling things. Because let me
say something, Georgie, twenty years ago, I believe that people
were channeling spirits that were teaching us how to use
crystals to heal people. Right, and then after experimenting with
these crystals and trying to heal people with them, I
realized that nobody was getting better. That it was that
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there was something wrong here, and that maybe these people
that said they were channeling these spirits that were teaching
us to do this were just making money off books
they were writing, or making money off the seminars they
were giving. So I'm wondering how you know that these
people who are saying this are actually telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Well, in these kind of situations, there are more things
at play. So, for example, we have two minds, one
physical and one higher mind.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
You're not answering the questions, So I just.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Want to waiting here.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
We're asking some questions and you're not answering them. You're
kind of just breezing on past that and giving us
the same claim in a different form.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
So you you said that we're all souls of awareness, Okay,
we need to know how you know that and what
that even is. Number one, I.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Agree we need to be aware. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
And number two, you said there's new information coming in,
And Kelly asked, how do you know that that's authentic
and that's not just some ploy to get money or
whatever influence.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
How do you know?
Speaker 6 (46:53):
Well, most of these channel alerts say you have to
follow your passion moment to moment.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well, most psychologists will tell you that too.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
You know, we'll not he's.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Not answering the questions, and I'm still Yeah, I want
My main question here is how do you know what
the channelists are saying is true?
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Because people put into practice what they're saying and they
have results.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
That Okay, So if I'm kind to my neighbor, does
that make Jesus and Christianity true?
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Jesus the person that's that's not.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
That's not what we asked. What we're saying is just
just because I'm nice to people, you know, like like
the like these channeled spirits said, doesn't mean that the
channeled spirits are real, is what I'm saying. I could
still be nice, I can still believe like like I'm
assuming that you're not a Christian if you believe these things. Right,
So you understand that there's a lot of people who
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believe in the truth of Christianity. So what I'm asking
you is, what is it that makes you think that
what you are saying, but these channelers are saying is
true Because people do the same thing with Christianity that
you are saying. They follow it and it works for
him so that much so by your standard, that must
mean that Christianity is true. Do you see my point?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Well, thanks, So how do you know that the right
so so how that That's My point is like, because
I've heard a lot of channeling claims throughout I mean,
this was a lot of hosts here at the ACA
came out of Christianity. I didn't. I came out of
this type of thought, right, So I have heard tons
of claims of channelers. Do you know about the Uranchier book?
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Do you know about Edgar Casey? These are both famous.
Edgar Casey was a famous channeler. The Your Answer Book
was a famous book that was followed actually by a
lot of rock and roll stars that was also supposedly channeled.
But nobody has ever been able to prove that any
of this stuff was actually real, And the things that
were taught through these things are just seemed to be
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common sense, like being I to people, fulfill your dreams,
work hard, and get what you want to be happy.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
So my response to that is that we are exploring
different ideas. We don't know how everyone is structured. So
maybe these ideas can work for some people but not
for others.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
You're right, it might work for on some people and
not for others. But that's not what I'm asking about.
I'm asking about us feracity. I'm asking about how true
it is not if it works for people, because Christianity
works for people, Islam works for people. Zoroastrianism works for people,
right how but we don't we but we can't say
that any of those things are true? So how do
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we know what you're talking about is actually true even
though it works for some people? Like these other things.
Speaker 6 (49:50):
Do, I do not get proved.
Speaker 7 (49:52):
I'm shorty, So.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I need to say that I appreciate Georgie a yeah,
being willing to say that he doesn't have proof. Georgie,
good on you, and thank you for being an honest
viewer and honest caller and having an honest conversation with us.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's that it's not actually what I'm asking, though, I'm
asking how how you why you think that this is true?
What is your what is?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
What?
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Why do you think this is true?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
What is convinced you that this is the truth?
Speaker 6 (50:23):
I like their energy, I like their confidence, and I
like how consistent in their ideas they are.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Makes you feel good, makes you feel good.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (50:33):
Not exactly, it's just overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Okay, A lot, well, yeah, a lot of people would
say that you know about religions too, so I mean,
I get it. You know, you found the little niche
that works for you. I just don't. I'm just worried
about One of the things I always worry about is that.
And I see it a lot. When people come out
of Christianity, they latch onto other ideas, and those other
ideas might help them get through that because they need
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something to have faith in because all their life they
were taught to have faith in something. So when they
give up, like this religious idea that they had, no
matter what it was that they were raised in, they
still find this need to have faith. Right even though
even though that you don't really need it. But the
most what you really need if if faith, and if
you need faith in anything, it's in yourself that you
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can do things. And that's more like ego than faith.
It's good to have an ego. It's bad to be
an egotist, because our ego is what drives us to
do what we don't think we normally can do. So
to me, that's that's ego and not faith. Does that
make any sense to you.
Speaker 6 (51:32):
Yes, a little bit. Where are you going with this?
Speaker 1 (51:35):
I'm just I was just wondering, why, why you know,
if if if this works for you, and I get it,
but I still don't understand why. You know, like Jimmy said,
it just seems like you think it's true because it
makes you feel good. And that's where I was going
with the you know, some people need to have that
to still continue to feel good with some kind of
faith because they were raised in faith with faith.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, and and Georgie, you know, for you to admit
that you like their energy, right, and so that's why
you choose to I don't know if you choose to
believe it. I personally don't think that we actually choose
to believe things. Either we either know something or we don't.
But you know, to to choose to align yourself with
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this school of thought, does that really prove that physical
reality is our simulation as you claim, or does it
just show that you enjoy what they're saying and so
you want to kind of posit that as a possibility.
Speaker 6 (52:31):
It isn't It doesn't make me feel good. It's very
over very overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Actually, it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
It's overwhelming to think that these souls of awareness are
are positing that we're just in a simulation, creating.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
A simulation.
Speaker 7 (52:50):
From top to bottom.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Well, again I would point to what proof do you have?
You said you have no proof, so then we want
to know. All right, Well, if there's no proof, why
I align yourself with this? You said you like the energy,
and in my perspective, I mean, there's something that you're
getting out of this, right, you must be getting some
kind of relief or comfort, or some kind of interaction,
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some legitimacy maybe, right, because there are people out there
giving you an answer that you don't have, and I
think you just are more happy with the answer than
you are in being concerned about proving that answer. And
so you know, in my opinion, you might phrase it
a different way, but I think that you're citing a
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lot of the things that religious people cite. The number
one thing that I can say people cite when they
when it comes to religion is the social aspect, the
sense of community and the connection. And I think that
that's what you're feeling. Not exactly all right, Well, I
appreciate that, but I think that's what you've explained. So
(53:56):
I don't know, Kelly. I'll kick it back over to
you if you want to dissect this a little further.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
I'm not sure we're getting a little late in the show,
We're just about out of time. I really want to
have this conversation. I would love to have this kind
to hear this conversation go further. I will not be
here next week, Georgie, but our regular host Dan, objectively,
Dan will be I'll be the backup post, so I
will hear the conversation. And I want to hear this one.
(54:22):
So would you promise me your call back next week?
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Heck, maybe maybe Dan will even bring you up for Georgie.
Speaker 6 (54:28):
Could I say something about Jesus?
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Sure, go ahead, as long as we keep.
Speaker 6 (54:33):
What gospel means in.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
English godspell means in English gospel gospel, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it means good news. Yeah, good news. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (54:43):
Okay, and That's where I'm gonna put it this time.
This is my point.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Okay, start your call with that next week. Yeah, let's
start with that next week, Georgie. When you call next week,
I want you to start. I want you to start
with saying, Hey, the gospel is good news, and what
do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (55:02):
I really I really don't want to come. That's too bad.
Well that yeah, that's too bad. It really is. I
wish I had more time, But I bet, but we're
running late here. We're like two minutes from the end
of the show, and I still have to have a
few things I need to do here before we wrap
it up. So yeah, you know what, We're going to
be at the after show in Discord. If you want
to join us over there, we can we can continue
(55:23):
the conversation and Discord and the atheist community of Discord
the ACD. So if you'd like to join us over there,
we'd love to have you there too, so we can
continue there. Georgie, how about that? Would that be a possibility?
But I think he already dropped on us. Okay, I
want to do a couple of things here. Jimmy, where
can people find you?
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I know already, but oh, people can find me on
talk Heathen.
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
I'm still kind of on my hiatus, but I am
always floating around talk Heathen I uh, and behind the
scenes working with Richard for whatever he needs help with.
But uh, yeah, you can find me on TikTok. I
just started in new TikTok page Jimmy Junior NYC I
think it is, or Jimmy dot Junior dot NYC. If
you want to find me there and yeah, I mean
(56:08):
look out for me to be appearing more. Next time
I'll be on talkie. Then won't be till September twenty eighth,
but I'm hanging around the ACA and I'm not going anywhere,
so you.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Know, Dan, Dan would have would often ask at this
point the show would say, you got any words of wisdom?
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Words of wisdom? Just be kind to each other. Be kind.
You never know what somebody's going through and they might
just need a friend.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Cool. Cool, And with that, I want to bring up
our amazing, wonderful backup host who has been waiting in
the shadows for the whole show. Hi, Helen, how are
you waiting waiting?
Speaker 2 (56:40):
I'm in my element?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
What did you think of tonight's show? Any favorite calls
or I like the last one?
Speaker 3 (56:50):
I was chomping at the bed as like Kelly, you
and I have been in these circles, so I was like, oh,
I would love to have talked to him some more
because like that that's my jammy jam. But also too,
I also wanted to say something about John's call, is
that being woke is not just about the black community
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or the LGBTQ community. It's about being aware of everybody's
situation and the challenges and intersectionality of things everybody's experiencing.
You know, even if you're a SIS, straight white male,
you are still experiencing some kind of challenge and being
aware of those things and trying to lift each other up.
(57:32):
That's all it is. It's just being aware. So it
doesn't matter you know where you are. Everybody's facing a
battle that you don't know about. And the more that
we understand that and try to outlift each other and
the institutions that are trying to keep us from being
better people, then that's how we fight against those things.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's not about being better good, it's about being better
every single day. And you know, I was just thinking
one place where you can go back and look at
clips of all three of us, the nonprofits that show
I can get back. And with that, I want to
stake everybody who tuned in tonight and tell you all
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to keep wanting the truth.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
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