Truth Wanted 08.39 09-26-2025 with Jon the Skeptick and UnquestionableCal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're still here. We didn't get floated up into the sky.
The rapture was predicted for this week and it didn't
happen again, But did you expect it to happen? Do
you know of anyone thinking they were going off into
the clouds. We want to hear from you about rapture
stories and anything else supernatural. Give us a call because
the show is starting now. Hello, and welcome to another

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every week on Truth Wanted we're joined by a very
special guest and this week is no stranger to Truth Wanted.

(01:13):
Been here many times before, but Calvin Smith and I
love that reveal. How are you doing, Calvin?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Please hold hold the applause. Hey, what's up John? Yeah,
I'm doing well, you know, living the dream, maybe a nightmare,
depends on the day of the week. I think that's
the thing that you know. You know, guys say now.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That reveal may have been the best reveal I've ever
seen of any guests on any show ever. So I
appreciate you know it seriously. Yes, we'll come back to
Calvin in a second, but before we get started, we
want to give you last week's results for the We
Want the Truth or w w TT segment. Last week
we asked you, why are the aliens aiming comet? Is

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it three? I Atlas three L? I mean it must
be I at us? And here are our favorite answers.
At number three, we've got Chuck Gaidos, Wi are aliens
aiming Comet three? I Atlas at us? They're here to
pick up the Heaven's Gate people. They apologize if they're
a little late. Love it Number two also Chuck Gaidos,

(02:15):
who has so many funny things to say, we have
to show them more than once. Why are aliens coming
or aiming comet three? Iye atlas at us are broadcasts
of Godzilla movies convinced them that their first attempt to
wipe out our dinosaurs had failed. Some of those movies
are Tragic.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Chick a proof that it failed.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
That is you're right there and number one iron clad alibi.
Why are the aliens aiming comet three? Iye atlas at us?
The Aliens think the Solar system is a giant pool
table and want to use three three to one. It's
not an I mean, could it be to knock a
few of the planets into the Sun. I mean maybe
some days. I'd like that to happen.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Logically passable.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, we do have another comment for this week, but
I'd like to bring Kell Yeah, because Kelly is our
backup post but also does a great job of asking
the questions. Hey, Kelly, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm doing pretty good.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm here and I'm breathing. That's all I ask that.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Hey, you know, that's a win. Every morning when I
wake up, I go, cool, I won.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
There you go, yeah, well I do that too until
my back starts hurting, because you know age, so I'm like, yeah,
I'm breathing, but oh no, I've got to move, So
I get it.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
You'll get there in twenty years.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
What's the question for us this week? Kelly?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
The question this week is wrong answers only. Why didn't
the rapture happen this time? John, you got a good
answer for that.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, I actually did think about this. The raps didn't
happen this time because Jesus left the oven on was
distracted and every time. Yeah, I just I just going
to go and get them, and they forgot the oven.
Oh maybe next year.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, that's pretty good, Calvin, that one.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, my answer would be it. I mean, what are
you talk it? Did it did happen? It's just we
all suck. Oh literally, everyone fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
And imagine that so many disappointed people going, O what
I thought? It did so good?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Like literally, you can't meet that standard.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I love these questions, and I'm honestly kind of wit Kelly.
Have you got one? Actually? Did you think?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I had because we kind of changed the question, we
altered it a little bit, and I had one for
the old question, okay, which was what superpower was used
to stop the rapture? I mean, if I remember that,
and I was thinking that it was probably like a
magneto like power that made the at the core of
the Earth heavier so nobody could get off there was
there was too much gravity and nobody could lift up.

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So that was so I did. I wasn't really prepared
right away for the newer question answer.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I mean, it still works though, maybe magneto just interfered
with Jesus.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
There you go, Magneto interfered with it.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
There you're gone done. I really can't wait to see
what the the audience come up with, So comment on
the video and your comment may well be read out
on next week's episode. Kelly, we'll bring you back later
to say thank you and have a little chat. But
you go and relax, do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And you guys have a great show.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Thank you. We will see you. So Calvin, Calvin give
I've I've not really interacted with you before, so I'd
like to learn a little bit about Calvin. What is
it that you do? Where can we find you? What's
what's the goss?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? Cool? Yeah, bye, I go buy Unquestionable Calvin. You
can look up Calvin Smith, but you'll either find me
or the guy from Answers and Genesis Calvin Smith Answers
and Justice Canada. So make sure you're differentiating your Calvin Smith.
I'm the more handsome one, but uh I make content

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about what people believe, why they believe. It's I go
by Unquestionable Calvin because I used to do a podcast
called Unquestionable with Calvin Smith, where I talked to the
people about things that would be I guess you could
consider unquestionable, right, Like, you know, it's unquestionable that like
gravity exists, right, it's just no one, no one really
questions it. While I was questioning people that did question that.
So that's my podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I thought, people don't question it. You say people don't
question it, But I think I was telling you before
the show that actually a friend of mine does genuinely
question gravity.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And that's concerning very much.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Carry on, Sorry, you know you're good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I did my podcast for a while, people started
calling me Unquestionable Calvin, just you know, to shorten the
show and to kind of put a name to the show,
I guess, even though my name was already on it.
So I just kind of gone by that since then,
and uh now I more so talked to people about
like religion and stuff. But I come from a more
conspiratorial background, where I more so believed heavily and conspiracy

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theories and the supernatural aspect of religion rather than I
did the actual like God thing. I still was a
believer in God for a short time, but I was
a conspiracy theorist for like way longer than that. So wow, yeah,
and religion and conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Wow, And you were deep in the conspiracy stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Oh, I was deep in the rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, okay, And how did you get away from that?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I could. So this is the one thing that I
could thank the Bible for because I was a Christian
and a conspiracy theorist, and I came across conspiracy. I
was realizing that a lot of the conspiracy theories that
I was looking into, a lot of them pointed back
to the Bible, you know, like flat Earth and the
Dead Sea scrolls and the flood myths, and like a

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lot of more points back towards the Bible. So I figure,
And I was kind of Christian at the time. You know,
if someone asked me what I believe, I would say
I was a Christian. And so I figure, what better
way to know what it says than to just read
the damn books. So I picked up the Bible and
I read it. By the end of it, I wasn't
comfortable calling myself an atheist, but I just didn't like
the thing as that God was saying. And then I
read it again, and that's where we have my annotated

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Bible that I show you know, And now now I
just talked to Christians about what's actually in their Bible.
Kind of my thing that by the New Testament of
the Second read through, I consider myself an atheist. It
would come to conspiracy. I still was a conspiracy theorist,
so I still had that. It's because I learned how
to question these beliefs that I was able to apply
that same amount of skepticism to the other beliefs that

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I had, And so I just kind of learned to
be a better skeptic, I guess.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And other times that you miss like that that sort
of things, and just like how much easier it was
to just go, oh, that's the explanation for this, Yeah,
do you miss it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Like it was? It was? I kind of do, but
I kind of don't, because like it was fun. I
loved doing it, like I love spewing these this weird
shit that I was saying, but at the same time,
like it was so frustrating because I kind of, you know,
like I felt like I was saying so much but
nobody was listening to me. And the reason why no
one was listening to me is because I was saying
crazy stuff. That's why no one was listening to me,

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and that's why I was frustrated. So it's like I
miss it, but I didn't actually have as many supporters
as as I guess I thought.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I And have you found like a new network of
people around you that aren't conspiratorial and kind of accept
like how you were to how you are now?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And yeah, absolutely, I mean I've it's been you know,
probably four about four or five years since since I
kind of like really the big conspiracy theory that I
really held on to the most dearly was the whole
Atlantis stuff, like Atlantis being a real civilization with ancient
loss high technology like that was my like that was
everything to me, you know, So that was the hardest one.

(09:32):
That was harder for me to say I don't believe
that anymore than it ever was to say I don't
believe it in God, wow, it really really did you know?
Hurt me because it was so fun. I love talking
about it. I loved like teaching people stuff, and like
I was teaching people like partially real information, you know,
like real measurements and you know, studies and stuff, but
I at the same time was using like little bits

(09:52):
and pieces of just bullshit online to kind of push
a weird narrative that I wanted to be true. It's like, yeah,
I missed that, But I think that knowing the truth
is more beneficial in the end then than having fun
with falsities.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right, And but I mean, at the end of the day,
believing in Atlantis doesn't like get you tortured for eternity,
you know, or not believing in it. So out of
all of them, I feel like that's probably a good
one to hold onto the longest until you go Actually
maybe not exactly. Wow, that's I mean, that's I find
conspiracy stuff fascinating. And I know people who are still

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at where you were in my personal life. I didn't
know those people when I lived in the UK, but
I do know them now that I live in America,
and it's it's fascinating that people do genuinely accept all
of these things as as like this is the truth.
So I'm I'm good on you for finding a way out,
and that's that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
It definitely wasn't an overnight thing. I just remember like
the moment that I said, like, wow, I don't think
that this Atlantis stuff, this like Angel last, I don't
think that's real. Like I remember I was literally at
work and I was on my lunch break at work,
and I was like sitting there thinking. I just was
like I just don't think that I believe this anymore,
you know. After I just was sitting there, it's all

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like I remember the moment that I was like, damn wow.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
A lot of people do like it's just a gradual
and then they go, oh, I think I may have
been here for a while. But if you go, oh, okay,
this is the moment I remember exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's I was like the realization moment, Like maybe I
didn't you know, maybe maybe I wasn't totally convinced of
it for a while then, but yeah, that was a
moment that I definitely like accepted it for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's awesome. Wow, Okay, well, fascinating stuff, and let's hope
that we get some folks who have believed in conspiracies
calling or you know, this week was the rapture, and
you know, I am disappointed that some people I know
of didn't get raptured. It would have been a far
easier world to live in. So I do have a

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little like they we'd like to do a truth bomb
here on truth wanted, and I did put together a
very quick something that I'm going to read out now
before we get into some calls. So this week saw
yet another prediction of the new main event in Christianity,
the Rapture. Some folks genuinely believe that this is the
end times and Jesus is going to take them off

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to heaven because someone somewhere had a vision that it's
all coming this fall. I had to do like the
you know, the movie trailer, ont this far the Raptor's coming.
The predictions for the Rapture may seem to be coming
more frequently. The first notable prophecy for the rapture came
from William Miller, an American clergyman, when he suggested that
it would occur between March twenty first, eighteen forty three

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and March twenty first, eighteen forty four, giving folks plenty
of time to prepare. But did that happen? No, it
did not. Miller then later changed the date to October
twenty second, eighteen forty four. But did that happen?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It did. These failures in predictions led to the great disappointment,
and it seems that this is a recurring theme for believers.
Next up Harold Camping and American doomsday profits. You may
be noticing a bit of a theme here. He suggested
that September sixth, nineteen ninety four would be the rapture,
but did it happen? No, it did not, So he

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changed the dates to May twenty first, twenty eleven. But
did it happen? No, it did not. Then came David Mead,
an American self proclaimed Christian numerologist that used some biblical
wording and astrological alignments to conclude that the rapture would
finally happen on September twenty third, twenty seventeen. But did
it happen, No, it did not. That then leads us

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to the most recent prediction for the rapture, and thankfully
it was from South Africa this time, giving the United
States a break pastor Joshua malaycal Malacola, I messed that up,
but in never mind, I had a vision that went
viral on social media saying that it would be the
twenty third or the twenty fourth of September twenty twenty five.
But did it happen. No, it did not. So if

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we just look at those stats very quickly, total prediction, well,
there's probably tons that we just don't know about. Most
likely time of year for the rapture to occur probably
the fall. There's not a lot else going on at
that time of year in the Christian calendar apparently, and
the total number of people raptured zero. There you go.
That's my little truth bomb for this week. I felt

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like I probably could have done a better job at that.
But Calvin, anything to add to that.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, No, that's pretty straightforward. You know, guy says rapture
is going to happen X day and X date comes
and rapture it doesn't happen. You know, it's almost almost
as if it's just not real. Almost.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It sounds that way. It sounds that way. Okay, Well,
I think we're going to get into some calls soon,
but before we do, I do need to mention our
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(15:00):
the Sherwood and thank you to everyone else that contributes
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the ACA do everything that they need to do. Okay, Calvin,
we do have some calls in the queue or line.
It depends on how you know, It depends where you're
in the world. I say, que I do apologize. First
of all, we've got Michelle her pronouns are she her

(15:22):
in New York. She thinks we maybe should get rid
of all religion. Hello Michelle, you're on with John and Calvin.
How's it going?

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Hello, gentlemen, How are you doing this fine evening?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
How are you good? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
So I'm breathing. You know I said that to Kelly
just before the show. I'm still I'm still breathing. Oh no,
I think I said it on the show. Never mind,
So Michelle, what have you got for us?

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, here's the question, mate. Okay, and mind you, I'm
a fist, but I think we should do away with
our religion.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
What makes you say? Why do you do you a
believer feel that way? What has brought you to that conclusion?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Because I see the other danger in religion, you know,
and I see that kind of it's kind of like
Pandora's Box. You know, the last curse that leaves Pandora's
Box and escape was hope.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You recognize that, but you still believe.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, I'm curious, like you're still a believer even though
you recognize these things.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, what would be? Okay? So you believe in God,
and I suppose that if we did get rid of
like organized religion, you'd still believe in some kind of
being right, Just correct me if I'm wrong there.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
In my dying day. But I wouldn't speak of it
to a single soul, because I think that's how we
should orchestrate our society.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, I I guess I okay, So yeah, I
think that that's more beneficial obviously to keep it to yourself.
But at the same time, even though you think that
you're keeping that to yourself here, you're not, you know,
because it's that belief in a god does you know,
sub kind anxiously influence other decisions that you make, It
influence as people that you vote for in office. It
really does play a lot more influence into your daily

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life than you may even realize. So although I agree
with you, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
That voting for the atheists, well.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I mean, I agree with you. I am I live
in a place in the world where religion is very
much taking over. My step daughter goes to a state
funded school and they even the other day they had
a group come in and perform some skateboarding tricks and
then started preaching about Jesus. My stepdaughter is a non believer,

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And so I'm very much with you. I do think
that like we kind of need to fix this and
at least separate and remove it from from these places.
But what would you suggest, Michelle as an alternative, some sort.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Of maybe liberalized sort of like, you know, we're all
one global organ it, like, we're all one global people,
we're all one race, we're all one species. We've all
got to get along, and religion.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Is dividing us.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
I think if we could really get together and see
that religion is the one thing that divides us all
and really does always in the whole well, and it
really keeps us from coming together as a race and
a species to see our planet that we're destroying.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
It does seem like and I appreciate that you're honesty
there where you're saying that you know it should be
kept to ourselves, and I appreciate that, But is there
what could we how could we help guide you? Not
I don't want to stop you from believing what you believe,
but how like, can we maybe help you with stepping
away from it ever so slightly and saying, you know,

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maybe maybe if I'm if I was a non believer,
then I could help fight the fight of separating church
and religion. What could we say to to help you
with that?

Speaker 4 (19:02):
To make me an unbeliever?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, I don't want to. I hate to force my
opinions on you, because I definitely don't want to do that,
But I like, what could we do to help you
almost fight the fight of separating church and religion? Would
would us saying well, we don't believe in X and
Y because of this? Would that then help you step
away from your beliefs and then go do you know what?
I want to help fight this fight and get religion

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out of society.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I do want to help fight the fight. I do.
I fight against it all the time. And I do
have my level of disbelief in this god figure that
I believe in, and I do have my doubt because
you know, only a natural skeptic, which should have been.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
What are those doubts? What would you mind? Are you
okay with sharing those?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I'm curious as to what God we're talking about
to right, Huh, I'm curious as to what God we
were also talking about.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I believe in the in the pantheon. Pantheon, I'm modified.
I'm a modified polytheist.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Huh. Can you just listen. I'm I'm very sorry, I'm
not I don't have a religious background, and I grew
up as a spiritualist with a non deity spiritualist. So
if you could explain, like how what that is for
the dummies, I'd really appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah. I think there ultimately has to be a god,
one sort of God, at the top of the power chain,
and then like all the other angels and demons and
pseudo deities and stuff like that are under perhaps my thing.
I think it's the our way to Jehovah. Whatever you

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want to say.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
So you are some sort of obscure denomination of Christianity. Actually,
I like my own little thing.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I think I made it up myself.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Okay, okay, So you made your own denomination of Christianity
because you didn't like the thingmation like spin okay.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Nation, and and so just for fundsies, just because because
this is essentially what we love doing the most. How
how could you convince us that that is the right
way to believe.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
I wouldn't want to because I don't think anyone.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Should believe, and I want to know.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Right, We're gonna have to We're going to have to
put in some severe laws. We're going to have to
have another We're gonna have to have a whole book burning,
and we're gonna have to burn some books, so whole
bunch of Bibles, the Koreans everything. I have to have
a whole new Uh have to be dystopian for a while.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
See.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
The thing is, is, like I the the point of
like you you calling into the show, I thought would
like would be to convince us, you know, because that's
the thing is that like if if you believe that
this that's this god or multiple gods, or whatever exists.
I want to know whether that's true or not. I'm
sure John does as well. So I mean, if you're
claiming that this thing is real and exists, I want
to know about it. So that's why, like, yeah, we

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kind of are asking for us, like why do you
believe that? What is holding you to that belief?

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Better?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Society not already knowing about God to begin with, and
have been so indoctrinated to the fact that there are
no gods and we got that down pack with little kid,
these bos that you've never even questioned it, And you're
just an atheist when you start at your as you know,
you're an atheist when you start out. But I'd like
to see a society where we're in we're atheists all throughout.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
And what I mean, I agree with you. I'd like
to see that too, I think. But what benefits? What
benefits would you see from an all atheist society? Because
there are places in the world that that would label
themselves as fully or you know, majority atheist, So what
would you what would you like to see from that?
What would be a benefit if we're all atheist?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I would like to see. I'd like to see really
I'd like to see. This is everyone in our society
feeling like they really do belong and there's not this
great wide of gaps in between us where it's like
it seems to be all religion and spirituality, like, but
we really get down to the nitty gritty and say, hey, listen,
we're all humans and we really need to pull our

(23:06):
sleeves up and really start to care for each other
and help each other out because we are all We've
got A God is not going to help us out.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Do you believe in an afterlife?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Have already?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Do you believe in afterlife? Michelle?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
I don't know. I mean the book the books. All
the books say there is an afterlife, and they say
they say they're good afterlives and not so nice afterlife.
And for what I'm teaching, not teaching, but for what
I'm saying on this call right now. If this God
that I believe in does exist, I suppose I could
wind up in a nice afterlife. But since this is
my heart and this is my mind on the matter,

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I'm going to be true to myself in honor of
my feelings and thought.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
It does sound like and again, correct me if I'm wrong,
But it does sound like you are trying to almost
fit in the atheist bracket, and maybe you've got to
the point where you'd like to say you are, but
you can't because you still believe. Would I be correct
in that?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, well, what what could we do?

Speaker 8 (24:05):
Then?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Calvin and I are here for you right now? What
could we do? What would you what would you like
for us to do? Would you like for us to
say why we don't believe? And maybe sort of help
you step away from it? Because it does it almost
sounds like that's where you'd like this to go necessarily.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Okay, you know, I mean I had some good times
with that guy up up the sky, up in the
sky that says he is my dad to go.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
I tell you, I've had some good times with some
friends down the pub, So I get it. I get it.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
You know. Sometimes he's whiskey and whine from from time
to time, you know what I mean. But it's just like,
is that guy is that still swam voice that I hear?
Also the same monster that allowed sleep in his book? Right?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I would definitely focus on that kind of thing
if that's the route that you'd like to go down.
Calvin has read the Bible back to front a couple
of times, and we were speaking about this before the
show as well, that that's what got him to the
point of, oh, this is not it doesn't make sense.

(25:06):
I would suggest reading the Bible and well, there you go.
But I would I would, I would definitely go start
to finish a couple of times and just really focus
on like, I'm not reading this as a believer in
Christ or a believer in the God. I'm just reading
this as words in a in a book and really
take in what's being said and question it, like seriously

(25:28):
ask questions about what these what these words are saying
and call in some of these shows and say I
read this in the Bible and I just cannot get
my head round it. What would you suggest, Especially folks
like Calvin who know the Bible, he can definitely help you.
There are tons of other hosts on the ACA shows
who can who can guide you in what their understanding

(25:49):
of the Bible is. I am not that guy. I
do not I'm I'm in the place where I cannot
accept that the Bible is divinely inspired. So the words
in it for me are pointless. There's no point in
me reading it. I mean, I know Bible verses obviously,
but there's no point in me quoting Bible verses because
I just I cannot get my head around it being
the word of any God. And that's not just you know,

(26:12):
the Bible, that the Christian Bible, that's all holy literatures.
There's nothing outside of these these works that would suggest
that they are written by or divinely inspired by God's Well,
let me.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Ask the more both of you, gentlemen, if I may one,
maybe one part in question, do the both of you
think that that I would be better on the side
of atheism if I went that route, because I'd be better,
better and more equipped fighter if I wasn't if I
became an atheist, like for the destroying and dismantling of all.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Religion, Calvin, I'll let you take that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, yeah, So, I mean the thing is like with atheism,
that doesn't include the destruction of our religious beliefs and
you know, religious fundamentalism, it doesn't include it, Like being
atheists are just not believing in a God, Like that's
all it is. So I'm not wanting to give like
medical advice or really much advice at all. I'm just
not an advice guy. But so I can't really say

(27:10):
for sure if like atheism is going to be like
best for you or not, because I don't know you.
I don't know who you are, I don't know any
I you know, I have never heard of you outside
of this first phone call, So, like, I can't say
for sure if that's the best thing for you. I
would say that I think that religion is very beneficial
to some people, and it's very you know, non beneficial
to other people, And the same goes with atheism, not

(27:30):
believing in a god. Some people take it much easier
and some people don't and it actually makes their life
much harder, you know. So I can't really say for sure.
I will say that I think my personal opinion, I
think that it is better to believe in things that
are true, even if it hurts your feelings, even if
you're not comfortable with it, even if you don't like
it right, It's more beneficial for you to know the

(27:52):
truth right than to be happy believing in falsities. That's
kind of my whole thing, is that I was believing
in conspiracy theories because it made me happy, It made
me excited, it was fun, it was cool. I loved it.
I thought it was super interesting. But then I realized
that although it was interesting and cool to talk about,
it wasn't like actually true. And I've kind of, you know,

(28:12):
been able to look at things through a different light
because of that.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I would also say that it's it all depends on
who and what you're around as well, because being an
out atheist can dramatically change your life negatively. In the USA,
which is what I've discovered, I've been an atheist my
entire life. And in the UK it was very easy
to be atheist because the majority of people are if

(28:40):
then if they are believers, like you said earlier, it's
very inside. They keep to themselves, but those who don't
believe are very vocal about not believing. Here in the USA,
it is a completely different story. And when when folks
found out that I was an out atheist, lost friends,
lost employment. It became not scary to go out, but

(29:02):
I did. I just didn't want to leave the house
because people knew that I was an atheist, and you know,
there was judgment there. So if you're okay with that,
and you know, years have passed since all of my
stuff has happened, now I'm in a place where I
just do not care what people think, and I actively
do fight the non religious fight and say that there

(29:24):
shouldn't be religion in schools. And you know, we do
all that we can with my stepdaughter school with taking
religion out. So you really have to think about how
it's going to affect your life personally. It's great. It
is great if you can say, you know, I'm a
non believer and I welcome people in around me who
are also non believers, and they use me now as

(29:45):
a safe space to talk about their non belief, but
they're not out to their families. If you could get there, great,
But I really would seriously consider how you would if
you were to step away from religion, how you would
go about it private.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Well, gentlemen, I thank you Mary for taking my car.
That was a great discussion. And John, uh so, John,
I will take a look at the read the Bible
a couple of times and look more at more of
it as literature. I think that's a great idea. And
just to dive into a dude, goodtleb do it.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
And and we're you know that I'm on every now
and then. Kelly's here, Calvin and be back. I'm sure
like call us if if we're on, give us a
call and let us know how it's going. It'll be
great to hear like a like an update of how
you're getting one. Definitely, yeah, yeah, okay, well it's great
speaking Michelle. Thanks Michelle, take care that was that was

(30:39):
that was a nice caol. That was a very nice
cool Yeah right, We're just that's just a genuine like
genuine conversation about the sort of stuff just really fills
my boots. I love it. So I just made a
saying up. I don't know. We will get back to small. Course,
we do have spaces in in the queue, but we

(31:01):
do have calls lined up as well, so we'll get
to those in second. But do have to make some
announcements Calvin, so just relax for a second because I'm
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(31:23):
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(31:43):
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So let's see that crew cam. Come on up, crew.
Thank you to the video operators. Look at everyone there,

(32:04):
you are so handsome of all of our video operators,
audio operators, mods and note takers and call screeners. Probably
probably should say thank you to Kelly just if he's there.
He might he might have hidden there. He is. Kelly
is like the man when it comes to backing up
shows and is a great host as well. So Kelly,

(32:26):
we love you.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Not hard to just sit here and do nothing.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
No, so doing a great job, doing a great job.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I am doing a good job with that.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
We do appreciate you. Just thought we'd share that. But
we'll call you back towards the end of the show.
We've got more calls to get to Kelly. You're gonna
love this one. This is a regular to the show.
Calvin John from Canada is here to talk with us.
Hold your horses, John, I'm gonna tell Calvin what we're
talking about before you go. But Charlie Kirk was a

(32:56):
hero and is now a martyr. Hello, John, how it going.
It's been a long time since I've spoken to you.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
John the skeptic. And how I'm good?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (33:06):
I'm good?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Good?

Speaker 9 (33:07):
So that I said. Mister Kirk, the late mister Kirk
was a hero because he was brave enough to tell
the truth and he died with his beliefs. But haven't
always a tragedy, no doubt about that. And the curse
will be bribed to justice, however, and his death he's
now been solidified, immortalized, and.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
You agree that he should be immortalized, and you should
he should be seen as a martyr. Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (33:29):
You want to correct?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay? Just right, right, well, and just as just so
I got the full picture, John, I used, what where
do you identify? Because I know a little while ago
you identified as atheist and is that still the case?

Speaker 9 (33:45):
That's I've been thinking. Let me say I'm back agnostic.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's agnostic, okay, and that's fine. That's just so we know. Okay,
let's get into this. What Let's just say one truth
he said that would deserve would be deserving of him
being turned into a martyr.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
Well, for one thing, that that men, men and women
are two different beings, two different creatures, and they should
be separated into the areas and that and that, and
I should not be time in school with the children.
And he's totally against walk.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, that was a lot that was There was three
things right, and I just want one. Let's Calvin, how
do you feel about the first point?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm honestly just kind of caught
up on this martyr thing, like what what was he a.

Speaker 9 (34:38):
Martyr for g for the cause? You see, when he
was alive cause and when he was speaking, he was
being criticized, terrorized, being called a racist biggot that all
the all the bout words could positive think of for
speaking his mind. And now that he's dead, people are
a lot of people are the movement has one stronger people. Well,
but fun the people show up at the funeral, they said, well,

(35:00):
Kirk's even bigger than what he didn't bigger now when
he was death and he was when he was alive.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
That makes him a well And I do, I do
think that the reason that he's like being like catapulted
into the front of everything is because of the way
it all happened, the way it came about. And people
who didn't know him have now seen videos of of
his debates, and I say debates, you know, loosely and yeah,

(35:28):
and and that's why there's all this around him, because
suddenly the horrific act that happened has now catapulted all
of his videos into they're going viral because the people
are interested in who he was. So I don't I'm
very much on the side of I do not think
he should be immortalized that way. It definitely probably should

(35:50):
be a good conversation for amending the gun laws in
this country. But I guess you're in Canada, so I
don't know how. I don't know are the gun laws
up there. I think it'd be pretty similar to the UK, right, So,
but I do I think maybe that's a route we
should go down. You know, people have far too much

(36:12):
access to weapons over here, and maybe that could be
a good call, that might be a good way to
immortalize him. But I definitely don't think he should be
a martyr for for what he said.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
He is a and there's no changing and there's no
change in there now. But why I find all is
that to have people who are subrating or his death
saying that was a great thing that they died, or
or people will say that he shouldn't that he shouldn't
be warned because of political views. That's really discussing.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, let me just pasure there, John, So I'll just
be like, I don't think anyone should be, you know,
shot for any reason. Like I'm just not for it.
It's not for me. I don't think that's cool. Don't
do it. Right, So I don't think that it is
a I don't think it was the right thing to do,
right to Charlie Kirk. Right, But I mean, let's go this, right.

(37:03):
Do you do actually think that Charlie Kirk was not
saying uh, very very insensitive, racist, misogynistic things. Do you
do you think that just none of that was being.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
Said if you consider if you consider saying that the
truth about biology and not saying that black people or
anyone or anyone people have to follow the rules or
by laws, and that no one should be given to
pillage and it wants to beated equally under the law.
If you want to call that big tree or evil
or racist, whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's just being racist. Yeah, that's just that's just being
that's that's being racist.

Speaker 9 (37:39):
To say that everyone has to follow the rules.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
That you were saying everyone, you were singling out. You
were singling out different ethnicities in that that one sentence.
So that's not everyone. That's you're saying, this group of
people should be following the law, and this group of
people that is bigotry.

Speaker 9 (37:55):
It's the truth. Everyone includes everyone includes people white people.
So I said the word everyone, everyone should follow the rules. Okay,
I'm inventing my statement. One sho follow the rules? Okay,
saisfied now and it one's equal. No one should be
given privilege, no one. That's what the Unitedis was built on.
That's what I am saying.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
But that wasn't what That wasn't what Charlie Kirk was.
That wasn't his memo though, that was he was.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
That wassactly what he was saying. That's exactly what he
was saying. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I completely disagree. There were times that he said, like
if he saw a black pilot that he would did it.
Wasn't it something like he wouldn't consider not getting on
the plane, or he'd be wondering how they got there.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
And actually have quotes ready to go to if you'd
like to hear them, Yes, please like this one speaking
of blacks. They were actually better in the nineteen forties.
It was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed.
They committed less crime. Black America is worse than it
has been in the last eighty years.

Speaker 9 (38:57):
It is true. It completely was that true.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Statistically, you're you're you're on the wrong side of history.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Yeah, I'm on the right side of history here.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Racist one.

Speaker 9 (39:08):
I we don't know why you guys have a problem
with they want being treated equally. Why do you have
what do you feel?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's not everyone that I'm going I'm going to meet
you just second. Thank goodness, we have that. But you
the wording there specifically targets one ethnic minority, and so
that isn't everyone. I'm sure Calvin's got a ton more there,
So I'm going to let him read a couple more.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, we got one about trans people. I mean, just
given what you've I can only imagine what you think
about trans people. So yeah, I mean Charlie Kirk also
said about trans people, a man who calls himself trans
is wearing woman face, no different than I would wear
black face trying to be a black person. It's assuming
an identity that isn't yours. What else is there? I

(39:55):
think it's worth it to have a cost of unfortunately,
some gun that's every single years, so that we can
have the Second Amendment. So he literally died by those
words that he said. So why are you so up
in arms about this guy and not about the school
shooting that happened the same day A children?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Thankness, Thank goodness for the crew helping out here, because
we've got some others here happening all the time in
urban America. Prowling blacks go around for fun to go
target white people. That's a fact. It's happening more and more.
If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a
moronic black woman, I wonder if is she there because
of her excellence or is she there because of affirmative action.

(40:31):
So there's just a couple more for you.

Speaker 9 (40:32):
John Okay, first of all, anything is said it was true,
because if someone's being hired for a positions to be
placed on the skin color, that is wrong. But even
if Charlie Kirk was the most racist, bigular person you
think he is, still did not deserve to be murror
down like this.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
We're not denying that. We're with you there. I don't
think anybody deserves to be shot. No, not a chance.
I'm with you there.

Speaker 9 (40:56):
Good, I'm glad, we agree.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Great, doesn't mean that the things that he said, like
being being taken out that way does not eradicate all
of the hateful things that have been said.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I'm not going to immortalize him for the terrible things
that he was saying. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
get all up and I'm not going to go and
you know, throw a whole party for him. You know,
I'm not gonna have pyrotechnics at his fucking funeral. You know,
it's it's he's just a podcaster man. He just said
really terrible things. And the unfortunately the you know, the
United States, is using his death to push their chrysto

(41:28):
fascist narrative. That's that's just that's blatant fact about that.
It's it's you know, Christians don't actually care about his death.
They're just using it to push the narrative and and
in their favor. So like that's another reason why I
kind of disappointed by, you know, his assassination, because now
Christians and and US government are just going to use
that to their advantage. So like that was like a

(41:50):
one up for them. Now it's like, great, we have
another thing to fight against. You guys worship him like
he's like he's Jesus or something.

Speaker 9 (41:56):
It's it's not I don't get it. And it's still
the power of Christianity. His widow stood on stage in
tears and asked she forgave the man who shot him.
I cannot pick of any other faith that would be
to that. And they called the right hateful after seeing that.
It's just stupid.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I mean, are you saying that? Are you saying that
only Christianity? Christianity is the only religion that forgives people,
because I'm pretty certain all religions like will will promote that.

Speaker 9 (42:25):
But Christianity the only one to really missed the different.
But what is it happened? She doesn't know hold any
film malice towards the man who urged her husband.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So what, yeah, what is great?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Like she forgave a murderer like great, That.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Doesn't give the world the opportunity or of the right
to make him a martyr for this.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
It's happening, gentlemen, my words, it is happening as what
is happening Tyler Kirk. Tyler Kirk photographs all over the
world who The funeral was huge, people rallying his name.
You know, the funeral so many people can can to
protest it. These few people.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Showed up because it was a marketing scheme. It was
a marketing scheme in Christian nationalism. It was like it
was like they were like, damn, that's worth opportuniti.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
It was a funeral. It was I.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Mean, funerals go. And I don't know how many funerals
I have. I have been to a fair few funerals,
and I've never seen a funeral where they had pirate
technics and made a big song and dance over the
death of person.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
It was more than it was a funeral, right, I
agree with that completely.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
A man dead, gentleman, who you can't you.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Can't I'm going to disagree with you there and say
that a man is dead and a man who who's
yes again will reiterate it a hundred times. Do not
agree with the way that he had his life taken away.
But I'm not going to sit here and say he
did great things.

Speaker 9 (43:55):
Well, he told the truth, gentleman, He told the truth
about the world.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
He I mean, it doesn't sound like he did tell
the truth. It sounds like he told things that you
agree with.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
And he said his opinion, and you agree with his opinion.
His opinion is wrong.

Speaker 9 (44:08):
It is the truth. There there are only two genders
and people are getting privileged. There's there's not two genders.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yes, this is our show. We'll talk over if you
there's there is. I'm sorry that now I'm just gonna
stap you. But yeah, there there's more than two genders.
I'm not going to let you get away with that.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I think he rage quit. That was John rage quitting.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
Yeah, there are there are only two genders, by gentlemen
the end, And I felt like we were making some
real progress with with but then he's starting a super
racist and I.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Meant before today, I went before today.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's where I draw the line.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, it's there, there's there's no space for that kind
of thinking. And as long as people are trying to
make this man a Marta, I will do all I
can to say no, you're wrong. I feel like Calvin
probably would do the same. Definitely do not agree with
with John. There just ridiculous. Sorry if that was hard

(45:08):
for people to listen to, And let I apologize for
mentioning things we probably shouldn't have mentioned on the show.
We will endeavor to stick clear of that from now on. Right,
we've still got some space in the in the queues,
there's some what a what a juxtaposition from the lovely
call from Michelle to to bigotry from from John Fan Canada. Okay,

(45:33):
we've got some screenshots that we can deal with, just
to like bring it back Calvin. That's that's green screenshots,
So crue. Get ready because I'm going to talk about
the first screenshot. Why are you people pushing your atheist
ideas onto people? Look at that horrible face? No everyone,
and for those that are listening, there's a picture of
me with an even longer beard that I haven't shaved.

(45:55):
I look terrible now everyone wants to hear it. I
will never understand why people try to push their agenda
on others. And I was just talking about LGBTQ acceptance.
So how do you feel like as a group that
we push a gender and understanding on people?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Calvin?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, no, what because the thing is like, no too,
atheists are the same, right, like, just because we just
don't believe in a god. That's the one thing that
we're sharing in common, like anything else is not contingent
to that idea. So like, so no, I don't. I
don't agree you can put like even two atheists in
the same bucket, let alone all of.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Them, right, And I'm I'm I think like we we
need to be more accepting and generally non believers do
appear more accepting of of you know, gender identity and
sexuality and all this. So of course I will always
speak up for those that are marginalized because I am
in a position of power. I'm a straight white man,

(46:56):
so I get the goods there and I get to
say no, you're being silly, and I will continue to
do that. But I don't feel like that that's pushing
an a gender. I'm just saying no, you're silly for
your X, Y and Z belief As again, like you
say nothing to do with atheism. That's just being a
nice person.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Be what's so wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Like a long bit of humanism. You know, we're we're
all humans. We've got to look out for each other
as best we can. You know, Kelly did one. Kelly
did this one. Well, we do have fossil evidence of
humans and dinosaurs together, and people always tried to say, oh,
he had a deathbed confession. Kelly was talking about the
origins of Young Earth creationists there. Yeah, I'm with you, there, Kelly.

(47:38):
We we'd like we had We've got the evidence, like
the evolution is the most supported scientific theory there's there's
the evidence is overwhelming. I wish John was still here.
We could talk about that with him, and maybe you
could rage quit on that one as well.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Oh man, am I the first person to have John
rage quit?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
That's he's he's done. He's done it a few times.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It never just runs away and none of the regular.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, he's not very good at He just likes to
shout and spout and then run away. That is the
first time has happened to me. I think I was
so lucky. Next time, Yeah, right, another one. Let's keep
going with these screenshots because we've got we've still got
space in the in the lines for you. Wrong buddy,
Kelly gets a lot of action here, by the way,

(48:21):
Wrong buddy, you have no clue what you're talking about.
You haven't seen anything for over a billion years. You
walk in faith, it's your religion, clueless. And Kelly is
talking about why evolution is just a theory is nonsense? Oh,
there he is. You can defend yourself here, Kelly.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I don't even know I was going to be there.
I was just there, very confusing.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Warning at least.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Right fight back.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So yeah, that is something I get all the time
as well. Evolution is just a theory. And of course
it's you know, it's people using the word theory colloquially
instead of the way it's meant in scientific terms. So
it's a it's a big mistake. I get a lot
of theas saying it, and I really really wish they
would learn to understand the two meanings of the word.

(49:08):
So yeah, and it's a tough one because it doesn't
seem like it registers in their head. It's like in
another one that always bothers me that they say, too
is so you believe everything came from nothing.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Oh yeah, you know that's I mean, define nothing first
of all.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, I always.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I always turn it back and around on them. Know,
you're the one that believes that what did your God
make the universe out of it?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Magic puff?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Nothing like a daily interaction for me.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. And actually, Kelly,
we've got another one for you. So oh goodness, hang fire.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
I really attract them.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Huh you do? I don't know, I get And this
is a common theme as well for us, Like when
it comes to like the thankful for our haters comments,
I get like one or two and you and Dan
just get like obliterated. It's just because I don't do anything,
that's why, right, Kelly. Wow, there so much hypocrisy in this. Logically,
if the best explanation for something is not even considered

(50:05):
due to presuppositions, that isn't science, even if you don't
like the idea of it being a creator. And that's
what you're talking about. Evolution is just a theory.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, back to that again. And I'm not making presuppositions here.
I'm using actual evidence that we have gathered through you know.
And here's another thing, too. That really bothers me about
a lot of Christians with evolution. It's like it's like
they learned what the original information we had about it
from like eighteen eighty and they don't realize that there's

(50:36):
one hundred and fifty years worth of science that we've
gathered since then. So they're going, hey, you know, and
there's all these holes here. Well, yeah, but we're filling
We filled those holes.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Those holes have.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Been filled up. They've been filled up in the fossil records,
they've been filled up with DNA evidence, which is amazing.
So yeah, it just that one really bothers me.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
There, the evolution evidence of the gaps we call that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, yeah, it's like the other one, the one
that they use.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
But really I get a lot of really really really
bad information, like oh, you know, we don't have this
part of Lucy's skeleton, and you can't say that she
was walking up right because the hip's not really there,
and it's just like, you know, but we've we've found
other astrolopithecis and we have their hit phones, so we
do know.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, that one gets me as well. Yeah, poor Lucy
is incomplete. But let's look at all of our cousins. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, we found I think we found like over a
dozen of Astrolopithecus skeletons.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Now, so yeah, and I think they struggle with going, well,
Lucy's the one that we we are worried about. She's
got a name, so that's the one we're concerned with. No,
come on, there's plenty, there's plenty out there.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
He was just the first one, that's right, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, And we've and we've seen a model of the
creationist version of Lucy at the creation Museum here before.
It's so funny, is absolutely bizarre. We've we have had
some super chats from Crispin. I'm just going to say
thank you Crispin for your super chats. You didn't say anything,

(52:11):
and that's okay. Sometimes saying no words is absolutely fine,
but we appreciate you, Crispin. Is that when we're meant
to stop and give like a random fact whenever we
get a super chat.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Right, sure, I can do one real quick, do one, Kelly. Okay.
There's a scale of hardness for minerals that goes from
one to ten. It's called the most hardness scale. And
there's only one mineral that, depending on wach plane you check,
has three different hardnesses and it's.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Kay interesting effect.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm glad that you're here because before the show I
said that the only fact I've got a personal so
I was just going to tell my shoe side. So
that's actually a good well done, Kelly.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
That's more facts than I have. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
There you go, same same. I just like to float
through life not knowing stuff. It's just easier, right. Yeah, Well,
we haven't got any more calls, so I mean, let's
if we can get at least one more, come and
tell us about If anybody has been that you wanted
to see raptured didn't go, I'd love to hear something
like that. I've got some There's a guy I'm going
to tell a story now that I would have loved

(53:15):
seen raptured. I was fired from a job because of
his bigoted beliefs and me me speaking up about them
and saying this is wrong, and I don't think you
should be involved in this. I am very disappointed that
he was not raptured this week.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That's fair.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
There you go, Calvin, have you got someone ah Man? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, no, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Honestly, I have so someone who's a neighbor of mine.
I actually made friends with them recently before I realized
that they were very heavily religious and they really loved
Charlie Kirk apparently, so probably that person. We're not friends anymore,
and that whole thing happened. Uh yeah, we we stopped communicating.

(54:07):
So maybe that guy, maybe John certainly not watching, but right, it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Would have been nice for maybe John to be raptured
and go and find out after all that. Maybe, Kelly,
have you got anybody that.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I would like to see rapture? Yeah, I could think
of three or four people, but I'm not going to
name them.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Good it's probably actually, yeah, we don't want we don't
want to dox anybody. It's just yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Other than that, I could think yeah, yeah, I would
say I could think of one other parton No, I
can't say his name, so.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I uh, And I've got a friend she is like,
outside of religion, one of the loveliest people I've ever met.
But the other day she she did start talking about
how she thinks that gravity is a bit funny and
that she doesn't understand how people don't fall off the
bottom of the Earth, and I like, it might just
be easier for her to be raptured. You know, it

(55:03):
made doing it. Yeah, there you go. It might just
do her some good to be raptured and then she
doesn't have to worry about gravity anymore. You know. That's
like a nice rapture. You go get raptured. You're fine.
We have got some calls coming in, so this is great.
There's stuff happening, so we'll continue the rapture stuff. And
I'm not sure crew, and I'm sorry, but there's two

(55:26):
there's two things from Crispin. So I'm going to say
thank you again to Crispin because it looks like they
gave a super chat twice and that there means Kelly,
you get to do another fact.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Oh goodness, gracious, huh oh no, that's not a very
good one.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh poor Kelly. Look, I pulled something up and now
I'm going to do a random generator. Here we go
the year and this is from a website, so don't
this might not be a fact, This might just be
made up. But the year forty six b CE, known
as the Year of Confusion, was a whopping four hundred

(56:04):
and forty five days long Julius Caesar added three extra
months in order to make up his Julian calendar lineup.
Make it line up with the seasonal year. Oh, there
you go. I did know that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I totally believe that. That's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
There you go. Well, thanks, Crispin, that's your fault that
we had to do that. And if you want to
add any more super chats, feel free complete right, well
look generators, yeah right, yeah, Kelly was sick this week,
so we're glad that it wasn't sick. It was very serious.
But we're glad that you're doing better because we we

(56:40):
need you around here. Thanks appreciate, good times, much appreciated. Calvin. Calvin,
going back to your conspiracy stuff, what other than the
Atlantis one, what would you say, was you like the
one that you were most fixated on?

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Yeah, tell me in the chair.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
That's sweet.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, the conspiracy I think I was outside of that one.
I was really interested in. I mean a lot of them, honestly,
kind of go back to Atlantis, but I mean there's like,
oh man, I guess you could just say straight up aliens,
you know, the government, alien technology, hiding alien technology, using it.

(57:22):
You know, that was one that I also held on
to really strongly. Bob Blazaar was my I don't know
if you're familiar with Bob Blazar, but he is a
UFO guy. Like if you if you know about the
UFO community, you probably have heard about.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I have actually bought I've actually bought things from Bob
Blazars radioactives. I don't know if you knew that he's
actually got like a little science shop here in Michigan actually.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Before.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But yeah, yeah, that was probably the main one, because,
like you know, I just I didn't have an explanation
for UFOs, so instead of just calling them unidentified flying objects,
I tried to identify them.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I've got it.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
I actually obviously alien right, And I feel like, actually
I probably did have a moment in my life where
I was like, oh, aliens, all they're visiting Oh, when
I was a lot younger.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Now I'm too old for that, and I'm just like, Nope,
I can't be dealing with this anymore. I do like
the fact, though, that I like the idea of there
being other life out there, because it's you know, it's
just such a vast universe. But are they visiting Earth?
I don't think so. There's far better planets to go
and visit where they don't believe in gods and fight
each other over it. You know, there's probably a nice

(58:33):
planet somewhere where they all just go, No, we know
why we're here, and that's it exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
No, That's why my wife was actually in the chat
and she she mentioned the Beast of jevu Dan in
the chat, which I don't know if you've gathered familiar
with that whole thing. There's there's this conspiracy that there
was like a like a literal like monster basically that
was in France after because of the Jevudan fends France
and was literally eating people. And like there was tons

(58:58):
and tons and tons of documentaries on this. It was
like an actual thing. There was something going around eating
like like attacking people in France, and they like didn't
know what it was. But you know from my I
did a whole podcast on it once upon a time,
and I came to the conclusion through whatever evidence, you know,
I was going through that it almost certainly was like
a conserved animal. Because people in that area of France,

(59:21):
you know, they had quite a bit of money and
so they would frequently go to other countries and take
you know, animals from the wild, like lions and hyenas
and stuff. It's almost certainly that one of these people's
lions just got loose, and these people in France didn't
know what lions were because they didn't live there. Yeah,
so it was just like or a hyena even like

(59:43):
about like myths, so that it was like it was
calckling at them and stuff as it was tearing them
apart and stuff. You know, Like so that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Wow, I've missed out on a whole other side of
the world not knowing about any of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
He did a movie about the Beast of Javadn, didn't he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
There's like everywhere there was a beast of bodmin more
where there was like a black Yeah, but it may
have just been like a large black cat. And you know,
you know, how how far away things are and how
you perceive things, I don't know. But anyway, Kelly, we're
gonna let you go for a second because we've got
a call that we'd like to take. Thanks for joining us. So, Calvin,

(01:00:26):
we've got another call from Derek. Derek from Texas it
wants to run the idea of a god concept only
existing through human language. Hey, Derek, you're on with John
and Calvin. How's it going.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
It's going all right, mister Calvin and mister John.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
This good good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, we're getting through. What have you got for us?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Will you know? I've been kind of trying to find, like, well,
if there is evidence, should it not exist outside of
what somebody says or with some book somebody points to?
Why is it always something along those lines and never
something that is real that points to this notion of
there being a god? So just to preface that with

(01:01:07):
I'm a heart of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
This, Calvin, go ahead, I've been talking a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah no, man, you think you've been talking. I feel
like I've been talking a lot. But yeah, no, I
guess I guess I kind of like agree with you
that like gods only exists through like human language. I
guess I kind of agree with that because, like you know,
as far as we know, animals aren't conversing amongst themselves
about like a God or you know, Jesus or anything
like that, you know, I mean, I guess I guess

(01:01:34):
not necessarily. I guess if we even lost the ability
to speak, we still could conceptualize, you know, a god,
I would assume, you know, like, who's to say, like
the ancient people who didn't quite have like a language developed,
you know, didn't have some sort of like supernatural belief.
I guess we'll never know. There's no way for us
to know. So it's like, I guess I kind of
agree with you, I kind of disagree. I don't know.
I'm kind of somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I think I'm with you. Like, if we didn't
have a language, if there was no way of us
to communicate, then I don't well, first of all, we
wouldn't be as advanced as we are. But yeah, how
would we Like maybe one one creature, one human creature
that was nonverbal thought, oh maybe this is why. But
there's no way they could communicate that to anybody else,
and it would save a heck of a lot of problems.
Oh my word, if we couldn't communicate, Oh well, how

(01:02:18):
how blissful would life be?

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
So it kind of lends itself to are we able
to define concept into existent?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
It certainly seems that like that's how things that are
non untangible, non tangible, like that is how they exist.
You know, the concept of bigfoot is only a thing
because you know, somebody one time went, oh, I think
that's a large ape man. You know that people talk
about unicorns. The unicorns exist in the fact that they're
a concept because somebody at one point, oh, a rainbow

(01:02:51):
horse with a horn. Maybe that's what they were talking about.
You know, that's my version of a unicorn. So yeah,
without words, yeah, of course there wouldn't be the concept
of it. So yeah, I'm kind of with you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
Okay, right, And that's that's obvious because we'll call it
into an atheist show. But what so I have these
conversations with with with theists online, people I've worked with,
and I'm very sentimental to what John said earlier about
losing employment and things of that nature. I've seen some
pretty you know, bizarre things in the workplace where somebody
will tell another person, Hey, you know that the only

(01:03:24):
reason why other people don't believe.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Is because they just want to sin.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
And I'm like, hey, bro, do you know the definition
of sin? It means a transgression against your God, a
god that you have no ability to prove exists at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
So how am I saying it right? And so are you?
Are you kind of like, how how do you deal
with these John and Calvin? How how do you deal
with these situations? Because it seems like you're being put
upon by these folks and are you are you kind
of searching for a way of how do we deal
with that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Well, it's really now, I don't have I don't have
literally any atheist friends around that I can just talk with,
like like, so I do apologize if you're good thing
is too close to you know, to find a contention
or something to But but going back to earlier, let's
see like there may be a bit of a contention

(01:04:12):
to draw upon. Whenever I said that are we able
to define things into existence? So if if you use
the example of a unicorn, just because I define a unicorn,
does that actually represent in existence?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Right? And I know because everybody has like everybody can
conceive of slightly different things, and our brains are not linked.
There's no way that the idea of let's just make
up something now like a purple penguin that builds uh
to builds houses with toothpicks, the image that I have

(01:04:47):
in my head right now may be completely different to
the image you have. You know, what shade of purple
what how big a penguin is it? What species of penguin?
What length toothpicks is it? Using? You know, there's no
there is no way that we could all agree on
this concept. And that's why I find it difficult when
people say yes, but I I know my God exists

(01:05:08):
because this is what I think of it. And I
struggle there. What about you, Calvin? What have you? What
do you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I mean I would I would agree with that, like
just because you can and define it, you know very well.
Even if you were to write a whole book on
you know, purple penguins or whatever, that still doesn't like
make it real. There's there's a difference between a brain
state and tangible reality. And I'm more focused on like
the you know, like the cold heart evidence for believing
in something rather than just being able to conceptualize something

(01:05:36):
like someone coming up to me and telling me that
a pink unicorn, you know, popped up on their bedside
last night or substitute that for Jesus, even like I'm
not going to believe that. That doesn't make it real,
doesn't mean it happened. I need something to be able to,
you know, demonstrate.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Here Okay, So what is disconnect between a theistically minded
person versus a person who would rather ground their beliefs
that there's something that is experimental or able to be
experimented on, or observable, testable, repeatable, these.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Kinds of things.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
What is it that major disconnect there that you guys
can explain.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I the honest answer is I don't know, because I
don't know what theists are thinking and I don't know
why they're convinced of what they believe. But to me,
I my difference would be, like Calvin, I just need
hard evidence. I need something that is demonstrable, repeatable, something
that will definitely prove what X is and why it exists.

(01:06:34):
And I think like my mother in law is a
devout believer and she doesn't care about the evidence side
of things. It just gives her, like a good feeling.
It gives her comfort believing these things. And I think
that's okay for her, and maybe that is the difference.
She just doesn't care. It gives her comfort, That's why
she believes. I Again, like Calvin said earlier, I care

(01:06:56):
about things that are true, and that's why I don't
accept the the evidence that's presented for the existence of
gods and all the theistic beliefs. If that helps.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Understood, Yeah, no, no, well, uh it draws back to this,
this these conversations I have. I've am very active in
the in the Baptist church. Friend we go play pool
every now and again. Like I said, I used to
work with him. I've since gotten a better job moved
on a little bit. But anyway, the we we still
have these conversations that are just knocked down, drag out

(01:07:27):
disagreements and to uh subvert any kind of of presentation
that that I put forward that he doesn't actually possess
any kind of truth to his claims, that he's just
merely asserting that they're truth. How like is there any
kind of like advice or reason or rationality that I mean,

(01:07:47):
I know you guys do this for show, So I'm
looking for a little insight and help.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Sure, I I find this may be different to Calvin,
but I find a great technique is asking questions, and
the more questions you ask and allow the person you're
asking the question too, to think about their answer and
then repeat their answer back to them. Almost they hear
the words and they think, actually, that doesn't make a

(01:08:13):
lot of sense. Don't try and force beliefs onto people
that that's only ever going to create division and guardedness.
Just be you know, honest and say, okay, well why
do you accept this? And what could you say to
me that might convince me and that eventually helps them
step away from what they're saying and maybe rethink it. Cawen,

(01:08:35):
have you got any anything there?

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I mean, I guess, kind of echoing off of you.
I agree, Yeah, just just asking the questions. I don't
know if you're familiar with the street epistemology. It's it's
something that I practice on the regular. It's basically just
the Socratic method of questioning. You're not enforcing your beliefs
on anybody. It's quite literally just learning what questions asks
and what's experiments that you can do, even even on

(01:09:00):
on the fly. To do this, I take a sign
and I go right out to the downtown area near
me and it just says ask an atheist on there,
and I just stand there silently and people, can you know,
ask me questions, right, And I'm never telling I don't
tell people what I believe. I allowed them to ask
me questions. I respond to the questions but I don't.
You know, I don't come out saying I'm an atheist.

(01:09:21):
I believe that you're, you know, believing in fairy tales
or whatever. If someone says, you know, hey, I I
believe in God, you know, you can start by just
asking what God? Why do you believe that? You know,
if if all else fails, what's the number one reason
why you believe in this God? Is it something that
we can test for? What can I do when you know,
after this conversation, what can I do to be convinced

(01:09:42):
of this? Is there anything that I can do? I mean,
I guess A couple of good book suggestions would be
a Manual for Creating Atheists by doctor Peter Ragojin. It's
a really great book about Street of Pistemology, Early Street
of Pistemology. Checking out se International with Anthony mgnabasco. Super
cool guy. Yeah, just learning what questions ask, when to
ask them, and how to ask them. You know, you

(01:10:03):
don't you don't want to. You want every conversation to
end with like a handshake. If you're walking away from
it and you both are angry, or one of you
is angry, then no one's going to go anywhere, no
one's going to entertain changing their minds. I just plant
those seats of doubt, but like as cordially as possible.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
Yeah, okay, because I get I get essentially labeled as
being a mockery or creating a mockery of somebody's belief
if I just try to point out a flaw, so
that actually that information and that kind of reinforcement of
how I should go about, you know, not necessarily poking
holes in somebody's beliefs, but just kind of find a
way to go about dancing around asking questions and let

(01:10:40):
them leave themselves to that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
And we are by no means experts, so please don't
take that as what you should do. That is just again,
Calvin and I may be different, but it's just what
works for us. There are places where you can poke holes.
I you know, people have YouTube channels and tiktoks where
they've taken out and poke those holes, and that's a
great place to do it because it helps you get

(01:11:04):
it out there. But in real life you don't want
to be doing that in my opinion, because again, you
do create those wars, those barriers, and it just makes
it hard to have conversations and like Kama said, you
want to have good conversations, you want to be you
want to leave these things feeling like, oh, that was
a really nice chat and I learned a lot and
they may have learned a lot as well. So yeah,
that's absolutely what I would recommend. Also, just whilst you're

(01:11:27):
on the line, Derek, I do want to just let
you know that there are probably a lot more non
believers around you than you realize. And since I've been
out in Kentucky as an atheist, I've had a ton
of people come up to me and say, ah, I
don't believe either, and thank you for being a voice
and giving me a place to come to. So there

(01:11:48):
are places, a guarantee around you that have non believers there.
And search on social media for groups in your area,
because I guarantee there are some folks out there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
I kicked out of good group. I went into it.
It was like a chit chat where they where you
know that you have the town and it's a such
and such chit chat group. And I just asked, Hey,
is there an atheist community? And I got hit with
all kinds of slander, devil worshiper. And then I can
write down and so you know, I've tried. But but
as a result, you're somewhat right here because as a result,

(01:12:20):
I have had a couple of people reach out to
me through instant messager. I just at the moment, I'm
working so much in my job. Everybody literally there like
that I've met is just so staunchly religious.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Right, And a good tip, a good tip that I
that I have done and given people a safe space
on online was I created a group on the the
most popular face social media and I really said it. Then
I guess we could say Facebook, yeah, we're all out
to And I created a group from my hometown and

(01:12:53):
just said, like I think it was atheists and secular believer,
you know, something along those lines. And I just created
a group and I didn't invite anybody, and slowly more
and more people are joining it because you know, they
recognize that that's a place they can go to. So
you can just create that space and you know eventually
people will will come there, all.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Right, perfect, Well I will I will definitely give that
to some consideration and see how it goes from there,
because I'm past the phase of being offended when somebody
tells me that their beliefs say that I would go
to hill if I don't convert or any of this stuff.
I'm well beyond being offended by somebody trying to or
appearing to facilitate and present their beliefs as if they're

(01:13:37):
just concerned or care for me and my soul whatever
that is. You know, I'm well beyond that. But I
also don't want to come off as offensive. And it
seems as though through the communication that I'm getting reciprocal
or reciprocated to me is that you know, I am
mocking them and I don't you know, they're friends. I
don't want to do that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
And that says a lot about you, Derek. That says like,
you know, I want to have these conversations and want
people to know who I am, but I don't want
to be offending folks. So I just like to have
some conversations and find some like minded people. And I
guarantee you the more you do it, and the more
conversations you have, you know, asking questions, you will definitely
find those people. I can guarantee we're at what now
one in four in the USA, and now at least

(01:14:18):
nuns and have no religion. They may believe in a God,
but there's no like it's not Christian or anything like that. Nuns,
atheists and agnostics make up one in four. I think
that's the stat of Is that right, Calvin? It's around
that right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
That sounds about right. You know, I don't know the
statistic aut time I have that that sounds vert.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
So just just keep searching, Derek. And also, you know
we're here. There are shows for you to call into,
and you never know, there might be a guest on
some time that's in the same state as you that
might well be you know, just down the road and
you can start, you know, conversing with them and hanging
out and you know, at least make a friend that way.
But there are tons of people in the chats and

(01:14:55):
these shows as well. Just speak to folks. You know,
I'm in this state body around that I could like
message and chat to you. There's tons of social media
that you could meet folks on. So I believe in you, Derek.
I think that there's definitely some folks out there that
think just like you, that are just waiting to meet you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
All right, Well, gentlemen, I thank you for your call
show tonight. I wasn't even planning on calling into anywhere
or doing anything, but this is you did. Definitely one
of my premiere and favorite shows to watch and listen to.
So I jumped in as soon as y'all started, and
I'm going to be here until you'll end it tonight.
Hopefully I'm not your last call.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Well we've reached the end of the show actually, so
you are the last call, and you're a great love
What a lovely note to end on. It's been perfect.
This is like the exact kind of like I said
to Cavin earlier, This is the exact kind of call
I like, just a nice conversation where you can just
hammer some stuff out and have a good time. So
we appreciate you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Super cool, Thank you, Derek.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
All Right, well, i'll catch you guys next time. If
not in a call, I'll be in the chat and
doing what you guys are reckon and you know, seeing
how though those shoes fitting. If there's any updates, I'll
let y'all know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Good good luck, and yeah, do let us know. We're
right here for it, so you take care. Cheers, Derek, Cheers,
there we go. I said cheers because I'm British.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I'm so sorry, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Come on, he said it back, so it's okay. So right,
there you go. We've reached the end of the show. Calvin,
thank you for hanging out with me at a great time.
It's great to meet you, and I like, let's let's
do this more. I want to hang out with you more.
For sure. Do you have my number?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
You know where to find me? Then we can come everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
You know, let's chill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Let's do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Just remind the audience where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah, yeah, everyone can find. Most of my stuff is
on TikTok. You just type in unquestionable Calvin, pretty much
any social media platform. Hey, there's me on the screen.
There's my link tree there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
You click on my link tree anywhere on any of
my social media's Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, you know, you name it.
I'm probably on there, Summer YouTube of course. Just look
up unquestionable Calvin. Find my bio, you find my link tree,
and there's links to everything that I do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Questionably will be there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Unquestionably, There's no question about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
And we've we've got to bring up the man who's
just always around at the a c A. Bring up Kelly.
Just to say, there he is, just again, thank you
for helping out tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I don't know if that's a compliment. You know, I'm
like just lurking as all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
The delivery, you know. I like he's always there. He's
having a great times, right right? Did you did you
have a favorite call tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
I really like Derris Carl that was really awesome. And
yeah that was really really cool. I always like a
really good conversation like that. I got to say, and
I want I want to point out something else. I
made a prediction of calls before the show. Did three?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
You said three? I said thirty? That was that was over?
Y Jesus, there you go. That's he's got the hair.
It makes sense, Kelly, Can you just can you just
reiterate that the question of the week for us?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I can and we only want wrong answers, only just
the wrong ones, no right ones. I want to get
it exactly right, and I don't have it right here.
Isn't that horrible? Why didn't the rapture happen this week?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
You can't come in answers only.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
And put him in the comments below? After the show,
not in the chat, but in the comments below. I
saw the jokers Wild had a really good answer to
it earlier, so I hope you get.

Speaker 10 (01:18:30):
Definitely put it in definitely, yes, definitely put it in there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Calvin, any any pausing words of wisdom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Stop believing in fairy tales.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Good, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Thanks for hanging out with us. Truth Wanted and we
will see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Do you keep but in the truth?

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
There you go, watch the non profits and join the

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