Truth Wanted 08.48 Thankful For Our Haters with ObjectivelyDan, Jon The Skeptick, and Kelley Laughlin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, Objectively Dan here, and if you're watching this
broadcast live, then it is Thanksgiving Day in the United States,
which means we're not going to have a regular live show,
but instead we have a pre recorded show for you today.
It is our annual tradition, the Truth Wanted Thankful for
Our Haters segments. So get ready because the show is

(00:21):
going to start right now. Hello, Hello, everybody, Welcome back
to another episode of Truth Wanted. I'm your host, Objectively Dan.
Normally this is the live calling show that happens every
single week Friday. SEVM sunders. I'm also it's not Thanksgiving Day.
For watching this live, it's a day after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I don't know why I said that in the intro
because it's you know, it's a Thursday and this should
be a Friday. But anyway, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter because
we're all here today to be thankful for one thing,
and that is our haters. I am joined by my
two special friends this evening. It is Kelly Laughlin and
John this Stick, fellow host of Truth Wanted. Guys, what's

(01:04):
going on today?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We're here, We're here, and we're ready to be thankful.
How how long have you lived in this country? And
how long have you known that Thanksgivings on a Thursday
and that this show is on a Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
The answer is too long for both, I'd say, but yeah,
I appreciate that comment, John. So, uh, you know, this
is the part where we normally talk about our hate
comments that we like to read throughout the year, and
an exceptional thing happened this year, which is the fact
that we were just so unanimously popular amongst all spaces

(01:39):
in which this show is broadcasted that we just had
just no negative comments whatsoever. I mean, everybody just thought
we were perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
And I off on this though, because usually this is
my third time doing a thankful for the haters and
I rarely get any negative comments.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Everyone loves you, John.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Maybe I'm rubbing up fun.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
You're right, finally getting up to your level.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's right, that's what's going on. I think. So, in
encountering this problem, kind of had a padwow with the
gang and it was like, Hey, what are we going
to do because there's not as many hate comments as
we normally have, and so what we decided was, well,
you know what, why just talk about our haters, right,
why not talk about the haters of us as like

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a community. So here's what we did. We have some
quotes from some celebrities from all around the world who
have a bone to pick with atheists, and we thought, hey,
maybe we could react to some of those. So that's
what we're going to do today on today's show. And
we had quite a list here, so we'll see how

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many of these we can get through. But I'm going
to start off for this one first with a classic
from George HW. Bush is apparently a tribute to him.
During a campaign stop in Chicago in teen eighty seven,
the then Vice president Bush was asked by journalist Robert
Sherman if he would recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism

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of Americans who are atheists, and he has quoted in
response to saying, no, I don't know that atheists should
be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots.
This is one nation under God. So apparently we're just
not US citizens. According to hw Bush, we don't even

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matter in that respect.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I mean, technically, I'm not anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I was gonna say, you don't even count. I mean
the conversation doesn't even start with you, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know what brings what comes to mind right away
with me is pat Tillman. Yeah, can you say that
that man was not a patriot? Right?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
There's a lot like okay, so you know, being an
American patri I mean, what are we talking about? Like
David Koresh was also a US citizen, you know what
I mean. So it's like, I don't know if the
standard is just morality here, it's more just like, h
were you born here? And did you fill out all
the paperwork? It's really not that hard. I don't know
why your religion has to anything to really do well as.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
An NFL career ahead of him, and he pushed that
aside to go fight for his country.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And that's true.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
He was killed, you know, yeah, that man. I don't
care what you say. That man was a patriot and
he was an atheist.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So that's true. And the US government also very famously
tried to hide that fact and it wasn't found out
until after the war. So that was cool. That was
a really fun time for all.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Show you there are atheists and foxholes, right.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I always go back to that mame and I lived
by memes. But there's that one that is, this is
not a Christian nation. This is a nation in which
you are afraid to be a Christian?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Right, right, That's true. And I'll be honest, I don't
think there's a single piece of advice that George H. W.
Bush could tell me that I would realistically follow. Right,
I don't know. He is a good guidepost for really
anything that I actually care about. So anyway, Yeah, that's
my take on that one. Okay, John, you want to

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pick the next next quote here.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's a good one here from John Locke, and I'm
hoping it's not the guy from that amazing television show Lost.
In his seminal sixteen eighty nine work A Let's Concerning Toleration,
John Locke argued for religion's freedom of religious freedom, but
specifically excluded atheists from this tolerance. Promises, covenants, and oaths,

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which are the bonds of human society, can have no
hold upon an atheist. That taking away of God, though,
but even in thought dissolves all.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, so we can't make oaths, we can't make promises.
We're just we're not allowed to for some reason that works.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
We're not adequate members of human society because we don't
believe that is right.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, well, we can't be trusted in unless we have
a belief in a higher power.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I guess, yeah, I guess that's the idea, because like
we could just lie and there'd be no mortal consequences.
We hate God, Yeah, exactly, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Someone legitimately asked me the other day, if I was
to go to an AA meeting, who would be my
higher power? Genuinely? And I just said myself, if ever
it happened, Okay, we don't.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
We don't like Aretha Franklin or you know, somebody out there,
maybe you get a count.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Where were you when I needed?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't know, man. I was just saying, if I'm
going to court and I'm under oath, I'm going to
testify truthfully because I'm scared of perjury. Maybe that just
maybe that just means I only am afraid of consequences.
But like, even if you're a believer, aren't you scared
of like going to hell? Isn't it kind of the
same thing? Like I don't know if the.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Thought of jail scares me more than hell.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, that's true. That's because you know what happens. That's fair, right, Yeah,
I agree. I agree with that. All right. So John Locke,
you know, hey, he wrote some stuff, but this one
not his best take. I'd say, uh no, great on
that one. All right, Kelly, you got the next one?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I do, And this one's from Steve Harvey. How we
all love Steve Harvey on a two thousand and nine order.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I don't know if you're saying that sarcastically. I want
to make there I do not like Steve Harvey for
many reasons. Okay, all right, I just want to make
sure that that's on the rest. All right.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You have a nine interview on the Tyrt Banks Show.
The comedian and host discussed how he assesses people, specifically
women looking for a partner. And this is what he said.
You sit with him and you talk, and if he
says I'm an atheist, you just pack it up and
go home. You talk to him, No, you don't talk
to him. Where is your moral baromedy barometer? To me,

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you're an idiot. I don't believe you. If you don't
believe in God, then where is your moral barometer? There's
tab moral barometer.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
You're trying to tell me you don't believe in nothing?
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And to me, Steve Harvey looks like mister potato heads.
So I don't know if we're going to talk opinions, wow,
whether Steve Harvey's really matter. Steve Harvey has talking about
moral barometer. This guy is super scummy. I mean, I
don't know if you've read his books or have seen
quotes from and stuff, but it's all about like the
worst possible dating advice ever. It's all just like patriarchal

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bullshit about how man is supposed to be in charge
of everything and you gotta I don't know, there's there's Again,
it's much like with George H. W. Bush. There's not
much advice I'd take from Steve Harvey into account.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
This seems like there's a little bit more fit as well.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I'm just gonna pack up and go home. If he
says he's an atheist, why wouldn't you want a conversation
with that, Why wouldn't you want to learn Steve Harvey?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, Steve, come on answer to us.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, I want to know where you buy a moral barometer.
I have a I have a packet karma calculator. But
I think I need a moral barometer too.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, that'd be There is an app on on the
play store and on on iOS. There are apps for that.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that would that thing would
be going crazy if it was a friend. Steve Harvey,
he doesn't want a moral barometer, honestly, and.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
He's I guess he's like devoutly religious.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, he sucks.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
His moral barometer is is the Bible.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
He's one of those like Christians who got really rich
and then judges other people for not being like a
rich Christian kind of morality. It's one of those kinds
of things I think. Yeah, so not great, all right,
n F grade to Steve Harvey. I guess not that
my opinion of him was high to begin with, but
this this goes even lower I think in that regard.

(09:48):
So next one I have here is from Phil Robertson
of Duck Dynasty fame. You guys remember Duck Dynasty, right,
that was the thing. What a what a phenomenon that was? Okay,
Actually side note, my dad went to go see I
think it was Phil Robertson at Baylor University one time
to give a talk. He's like talking. I don't know.

(10:08):
He was one of the speaking engagement things. It's just
like God, you can see that guy for free on
TV or just like you too. What is he going
to teach you at at a talk anyway? I don't know,
really dumb, let's talk about this. So and a twenty
thirteen speech, the reality TV star created a hypothetical scenario
describing what he believed happens when an atheist family is attacked,

(10:31):
implying they have no basis for objection. Quote. If you're
an atheist, you have no judge, There is no standard.
Two men break into your home, they cut your head off.
The atheist says, judge, they didn't play fair. The judge says,
what is fair? But the law? They didn't know me
the law. That's why we determined that.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
What do you mean is cussing off people's heads good
for people? No, it's not. Oh okay, then we put
but he shouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
If an atheists don't care if people do it. Isn't
that the implication of.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
That, Well, you know, he's one of those guys is
saying like, oh, because you're not a Christian, you don't
have an objective moral standard, which is like, you don't.
It's funny about court is that you don't actually need
an objective moral standard. You just need to know if
someone's following the law or not. That's the whole point
of the court. That's why the judge is there. He's
not there to say was this morally right or not?

(11:26):
He was there to say did you break the law
or not? So, I mean it sounds like a silly answer,
but it's like, yeah, that's how the law works. I
don't know what to tell you Phil.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
How smart Phil is? Anyway? I remember him once saying
that we didn't need healthcare coverage because God would take
care of it.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah. I think he was one of those guys you
really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah he did say that too. So and he's not
in those exact words, but yes, I did say that.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
He's not with us anymore, right, No, that's no, Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
He did die. He died, No, but he died this year.
And then the other one died a few years ago.
The other guy, the older guy, I can't remember his name.
He was the one that was super like anti LGBT
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
He was like healthcare.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, I know, right that, Like, like, is there
anything worse than like Southern Christian rich guys, you know
what I mean, Like, that's gotta be a categories of
dudes of like are the worst in my non moral objective,
you know worldview, I'd say that's gotta be up there.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think there is something worse than you said a
rich Southern.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, rich Southern Christian guys. Yeah, twenty of them. Yeah,
you know, good point, good point. Yeah, we can quantify that, ok,
yeah for sure?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
From from is it new Gingrich?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Mm hmmm?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Am I saying that right?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's right, New gar Rich? Yeah it sounds Have you
seen a picture you know who New Gringkag is you?
Have you ever seen a picture of him?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
The only one I know is new Smander. Smander from
from that universe.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Greenridge is a guy who who looks like exactly what
his name sounds like, you know what I mean. He's like, yeah, yeah,
you should do. You should google. I need to google.
I should do.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You could almost say he's one of the founders of
the nationalists, the Christian nationalist movement.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
And oh well in that case, yeah, it's written.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Just a ton of books he's been involved in geopy
politics for a long time.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
From yeah he was involved so yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
super early Obama hater, you know, really yeah yeah, one
of those. No more.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Let's see what Newt has to say From his twenty
eleven book A Nation Like no Other, The former Speaker
of the House warned against secularism, and he said, I
think a secular atheist country is a potential disaster. A
country that is purely secular, that has no sense of
a creator will sooner or later be dominated by radical Islamists.

(13:59):
It's it.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's it. Wow, yep wow.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
And we know that there are like largely secular countries
around the world that are just doing great, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And he said, he said that ship in twenty eleven too.
It's like Brother nine to eleven was changed years ago
at that point, you know what I mean, Like that's
a little out of fashion, I think, you know, not
even keeping up with the racism of the times. I'm
just saying, But.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
So secularism could deal with getting rid of Christianity, but
not Islam.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Was that the That's a good point. Yeah, rarely, Christianity's
weakness is secularism, but not Islam.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
So it's not like rock paper scissors.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
So yeah, probably, Yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah,
So like what is I guess the solution for guys
like nude is just, oh, if everybody becomes a Christian,
then we can defeat the radical Islamist. But how do
the Christians do that? Do that by nuclear ICBMs? Wow?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, right, what happens? So it happens once they've defeated
the radical Islamist, there's no need for Christianity and then
go back to good old says of Christianity.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Uh yeah, we see. There has to be a balance.
It's kind of like Avatar. There's all the different groups.
I get.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't know, you're right, yeah, anyway, all right, well
let's move on.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I guess so yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
This one is from Alice Walker, to the renowned offfer
of the color Purple, and in a twenty eleven interview
with The Globe and Mail, she said, people who don't
believe in God are kind of.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Cold to me.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
They're not quite filled in. It's like, well, you missed
the best part.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
And okay, I would say people who do believe in
God maybe are a little too filled in, you know what.
I mean, maybe I don't want to see that feeling.
You know, maybe that feeling is a little hateful, a
little spiteful, a little mean, because that's that's a mean
comment to me calling people cold. She's just not believing
in God.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It is pretty cold.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm not out here writing books about Christians not being
filled in. Okay, calm down, you know, she shot first,
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Right, But but you can guarantee it was said in
a loving way because that's how I always presented.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, right, we're missing something. Guys, what are we
missing here? What are we not filled in with? I
guess the Holy Spirit?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah, I might call that gullibility, but that's just thing.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's you know, that might be a good proposal.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Said.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I don't want to speak for everyone, but that's where
I am, right.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, I think of a lot of things I'm missing,
but none of them have to do with my spirituality
or my religious religiosity.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, we're missing the best part, which is like what
like trying your grandma's castrole at the at the church bakesale?
Like what am I missing here? Because like I I
don't know if going to church every Sunday. If anything,
I've I've I've been able to fill up my time
with a bunch of other cooler stuff, you know, like
calling shows. Hey, that's something. How many callin shows did

(17:01):
I get to do? A church? Zero?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So how much of your income did you lose?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Maybe? Well, well let's move on. Let's move on. So
we got uh dnsh de Susa is next on this list.
You guys are both familiar with Danish Desuza.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Right, Yeah, he's a great name.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Bell yeahs Susa. Yes, is a felon. That's a fact.
Because of the voting stuff, right, that was he committed
voter fraud. Not voter fraud, but it was.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Like what was the thing?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I don't know, I believe it was fraud? Yeah, was
it fraud? Okay? Yeah, so so convicted felon. In his
two thousand and seventh book What's So Great About Christianity,
the Sertive Commentator argued that atheism is responsible for the
twentieth centuries worse atrocities. Quote, atheism, not religion, is a
real force behind the mass murders of history. I mean,

(17:58):
what is this? It's always it was back to like
oh because St. Stalin and like MAO or atheists therefore, you.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Know, remember a secular crusade.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Right right? Yeah? Remember when all the atheists got together
and did an inquisition on the Christians and as if
they believe in God? What?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I just remember that fourteen ninety seven secular jihad that
never happened too, right right.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, and installing them out like they didn't do what
they did in the name of atheism. Yeah, I didn't
because of Wells.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
There was like political you know, fanaticism happening there at
a really deeply unhealthy level that I think a secular
society would would would point out, A free secular society,
I should say, would rightly point out and be able
to criticize, which you know that's never happened before, I guess,
and it certainly isn't happening now. But you know, my

(18:57):
personal commentary side, I would say, uh, you know, I
don't think that's the real reason why master atrocities have occurred.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
So we can have a little let's do a little
experiment right now. Think of someone that you love very
much that believes in God, Okay, and how angry does
that make you about that one person, very very special
in your life. I'm okay with it. I don't feel like, okay, So,
I don't feel like that's, you know, killing in the
name of atheism. I don't think it's a thing. Oh,

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I'm so annoyed that that person believes in the God.
I'm going around there.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh, America has been able to commit a lot of
atrocities just fine and still believe in God. Like. I
don't know if that's been the free by the sword. Yeah,
I don't think that's been stopping them too much from
doing all the things they want to do. So I'm
not in agreeance with that, John, you got the next
one here.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I do, Theodore Roosevelt. And I've got a fun story
to tell you about Theodore Roosevelt. In a second, in
a letter regarding the character of the American public, the
former president a strong preference for church goers.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And he said the man who has never been within
a church is a distinct lowering of the tone of
the house. Wow, which just goes to show how long
this has been an issue.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Really. I like the British pronunciation of Theodore Roosevelt Theodore. Yeah,
that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's two o's.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You call it a moose No, I agree I'm not
saying you're wrong. I think that's would be the way
to do it. I've just literally never heard anyone say
his name like that, and it's like, oh, yeah, you
should be said that way.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Huh Right, this is why I'm here. I bring nothing
else to the table other than fancy words.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, So like the Roosevelt, like I did some cool
like if I had to pick a president in the
last one hundred years based on vibes, Theodore Roosevelt's up
there because he did the whole National Parks thing right
he was doing, and also he wrote really well if
you read his stuff, he's super incredible. Sucks that he
wrote this though did not know that he was of

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a hater in that.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But I don't feel like it's that hateful because I
feel like I go around lowering the tone and I'm
okay with it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't want to defend somebody saying bad things. But
you know, I kind of feel like this was also
part of the culture at the time, right, if you
didn't go to church back in eighteen ninety eight, people
didn't look down upon you.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
It was you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
And he has faced He was raised in an upper
class family with you know, those strict values, so I
can see where he would have these beliefs.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's like one of my favorite presidents ever in the
United States.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, listen, I've got a story for you.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And you know what he did to stop corporate takeover
over America?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a great president.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So but but something but saying something like this is
definitely kind of inexcusable, even if I was pounded into
his head, you know, throughout his lifetime.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well, since you both like Theodore Roosevelt so much, I'm
going to make you both like me even more. Even
though this is an unverified story. But my great grandfather,
great great grandfather was a medic in the army and
he apparently performed an appendectomy on Theodore Roosevelt. Really wow,

(22:14):
so he saved him. And but I've searched. My mother
and my aunt tell me this story all the time,
and I've never been able to find anything to verify it.
But if true, how cool? Wait?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was she American?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
It was?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, that's interesting that happened. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Could it maybe on his tour of Africa after something
like that?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, because that same grandfather killed an elephant
as well and draw his home. So yeah, I think
it was around then.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Nice, it was around the killing of elephants time. You know,
that's still being a thing you could brag.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
About, right right. My grandmother had an elephant's foot in
her living room and it was the weirdest thing growing up,
and like, why is there this elephant foot here?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Theodore Roosevelt like had like a sort of animal totem
of every single thing that he shot like around the world,
you know, like he had some sort of trophy. So
that doesn't surprise me. H's that's interesting though, Well, I
guess we have your lineage to think, well, thinking Theodore
Roosevelt's vibes are kind of cool. So there you go.

(23:19):
That's really great, at Kelly, you should do the next way.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, this one's from Oprah Winfrey from a super Bussol
Sunday interview with swimmer Diana Nied in twenty thirteen. Nied
identified as an atheist who feels awe at the universe,
and Oprah corrected her, saying, well, I don't call you
an atheist then I think if you believe in the
awe and wonder and the mystery, then that is what

(23:41):
God is.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Hey, Oprah, no, how about you let me say what
I want to be called, or let her say what
she wants to be called, and you shut up and
don't tell people that they should call themselves what.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
They didn't have enough of that in this well, people
telling other people, well they should believe in I feel
like that we just don't have enough of that though.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I always wonder what God's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
So right, well she is.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I mean she's saying it's wonder. I definitely wonder.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And that's that goes into the stereotype about atheists where
it's like, oh, we can't have awe and wondering mystery.
It's like, no, this person's literally expressing it, just in
a secular way. You just don't like that, right, that's
all that's really saying. It's more about you than anything.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
More insulting something to believe in, right.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right, right? Yeah, that's true. That makes me too. By
the way, when antheists say, oh, a Christian doesn't believe
X y Z, therefore they're not a Christian, my standard
is no, if somebody says they're a Christian, they're a Christian.
That's it. They could say they don't believe in God
and still call themselves a Christian. I will still accept that.
I don't really care, because it's always been a subjective

(24:42):
sort of social label that has meant a billion different
things at different times. You know, doesn't It doesn't bother
me what people want to call themselves. But you know,
I thought this was America. I thought we could call
ourselves wherever we wanted. I guess not according to some people. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Do you want to get off that site box a second?

Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know, I should probably get down. You know, I'm
still thinking about Theodore Roosevelt, and I just didn't want
to let him down. You know, I don't want to
lower the tone anyway. I guess I better lower myself
off the soapbox and let somebody else.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's your time.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I guess it is my turn, so I'll go next.
I'm getting back on the soapbox, folks. Next one is
with Kevin Sorbo, and I so Kevin Sorbo. Kevin Kevin Kevin.
Kevin Sorbo sucks for a number of reasons, and I
have a story about that. But remind me about it
in just a second. Let me read the quote first.

(25:37):
The quote we have from Kevin Sor who he's an
actor from God's Not Dead. By the way, he was
also Hercules back in the old Hercules movies from what
those are, the eighties or nineties or whatever, I don't know. Anyway,
he's watched up and he's terrible. But here's the quote.
I see these guys talking about atheists who are just angry.
They're just filled with anger and hatred. Why would any

(26:00):
but he spends so much time ranting and raving about
something they don't believe in. They know he exists and
they hate him. So we're ranting ray about stuff we
don't believe, but also we know he exists. So can
you explain that one to me? Boys, because I don't
know how that works.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I feel like he's been hanging out with Oprah because he's,
you know, telling people what they believe, right. Yeah, yeah,
a shame. I feel like I'm in the position where
I hate the God of the Bible as much as
I hate jar Jar Binks in Star Wars. Yeah, Okay,
there's a character I don't really enjoy. Maybe I'll apply
that to real life too, where people think this character

(26:39):
exists and it just gets someone nerves.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. So the story I was, that's
a that's a good analogy. I think I think jar
Jar Binks. I think Kevin Starbuck is the jar Jar
Binks of Hollywood. I think that's a good sort of analogy.
The thing I was gonna bring up so we had
John Delancey once on Truth Wanted, and this was like
one of the biggest celebrity I've ever had the pleasure

(27:01):
of talking to. But the thing that wasn't pleasurable was
that he mentioned that Kevin Sorbo was like a really
good friend of his. Because I was about to talk
a bunch of mad shit about Kevin Sorbo, and I'll
be honest, I didn't want John Delancey to leave, so
I didn't like ask him more about it. But in retrospect,
I really wish I could have asked him more, because
what do you mean you're good friends with Kevin Zorbo? Like,

(27:24):
why are you defending the guy who like posts anti
vax conspiracies on like Twitter, because like he was Hercules
like twenty years ago or whatever, and people are supposed
to give a shit about that. I don't know, but yeah,
everything that Kevin Sorbo ever says is pretty much garbage.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't know how he can be friends with that.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, I know the fact about being angry's pretty garbage. Well,
I don't know. We have been angrily laughing.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Listen, hang on, Kelly, now hold on a second. All right,
you hold your horses, because we have some angry people
in our community. Let's be real, we do, Okay, let's
be real.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
You have angry people in every community, though, don't we.
I mean, I know a lot of angry Christians. I
know a lot of angry Muslims.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, I'm saying there isn't a thing is righteous anger.
I don't think like you should definitely be angry at
unjust things. Sometimes it could be unhealthy, but you know
that's a personal thing. It's a personal thing. It's I
think that's right. Yeah, So there you go. Kevin Sorbo.
I don't know. I can't change a guy like that.

(28:23):
You know, he's always going to be that way. He
no helping, No helvin, guy like Kevin Sorbo. Who's next
on the list, John, It'll.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Be me doing Kirk Cameron, another actors. An evangelist, okay,
an atheist, can't stand behind their assertion that God doesn't exist.
The stupidest thing I ever could have done was to
reject his truth. And he was talking about his conversion
from atheism. Then yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know
who Kirk Cameron is. Yes, yeah, I've only I've only

(28:54):
lived in this country for a few years. But remind me,
I'm not good with names.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
He's like, I forget his first he was in Growing Paints.
That was his first thing you ever heard of, Growing Paints.
It was like a sitcom for back in the day.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
You know, I'm gonna lost my good friend.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
He was a fairly big sitcom. And then like he
became a Christian guy like super fast after that, and
he was big for like he was like the Christian
movie star. He's what Kevin Sorbo wishes he could be.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I was didn't do the banana video to.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, that's that's not Kirk Cameron. That's that's Ray Comfort,
Ray Comfort.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Haven't.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I thought they was right?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
No, you're absolutely right. That was Ray Comfort with Kirk
Cameron in the video video John where Ray comforts like, oh,
he's a banana and if you open it up and
you peel it and you know, and just.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
That was an Australian accent. He's he's from New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
That was me trying to do a New Zealand accent. Okay,
don't fucking hate on me right now, all right, I
don't need that.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
You know, next year is thankful for our heights is
It's just gonna be people just ripping John.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's just all John in the comments section every video
telling me my accents are terrible. Okay, I'm trying my
best here.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
You did a great job, you were No, I didn't
shut up because he already said I didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, now I'm angry. I'm angry about something I don't
believe in, which is you saying I did a good job.
But anyway, Yeah, Kirk Cameron, he's a guy. He has
a new show called Iggy and Mister Kirk and talked
about this on a different stream where it's him talking
to like a puppet chameleon. And the pilot episode of

(30:40):
that show is, first of all, it's like a it's
a like a mister Rogers rip off. But the pilot
episode that of that show is really strange. Let me
tell you why, because he tucks this like chameleon lizard
thing into bed, but it's almost like very like I
don't want to say sensual because it's weird. He touched
him in, he gives him a kiss good night, he

(31:01):
rubs his head, and he leaves her like reads the story.
It's like it's a puppet man, Like, you're getting way
too into meate with this thing. And I guess people
like people commented on that because every time he like
tucks him into bed again. He does not do that
shit anymore. But for some reason, he was like really
horny for that puppy puppy puppet chameleon child thing in

(31:24):
that first episode. But anyway, that's that's some fun Kirk
Cameron trivia for you.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You just couldn't handle the sight of that thing lying
in the bed.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Ever since that banana video with Ray Comfort, he's been
exploring new ideas that probably maybe shouldn't explore. But who
are mighty? Who mighty Kinkshank At any rate, we should
move on before I say something else that that Greg
is going to kick me off the show for it.
Who's next to Kelly? I think it's you, okay. Rick R.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Riley, the sports columnist, said on ESPN in two thousand
and eight, after Hamilton, a recovering addict and devout Christian,
hit a record breaking twenty eight home runs in the
first round of the home run derby. It's allowsy night
to be an atheist.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
So because you hit a home run, Like, hey, Bud,
they do that all the time. What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, what what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
What does that mean? That's really interesting?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
So God an atheist can't get over drug addiction.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right, there's that too, Like only Christians are good at
home run derbys. I guess atheists can't compete in that category.
I think we're barred. I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That kind of strikes home with me because it was
getting out of my superstitional beliefs that actually helped cure
me of my drug addictions. So so I my experience
was just the opposite of that.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
So that's good. How many home runs did you hit
during that time?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know what, here's the thing. I didn't play baseball.
I sent your home runs in another area. It was
you know, it was the in the eighties. That's all
I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Okay, well, that's why you're without God for sure. I
can see that now. Definitely godless answer. There to be
a nice fist. I mean, twenty eight home runs is
pretty cool, though, you know, I can't fault him for that.
I just don't think God had anything to do with it. Man,
I think you just hit twenty eight home runs?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You know?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Did he have a baseball bat? Because I'm assuming that
that was what?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You know? I think they make you you hit it
with a baseball bat? Yeah, okay, I don't know what else?
What were you thinking?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
What was the power of, like believing in God?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Gotcha? Yeah? Yeah, that would be impressive. Then I would
have to start believing. I'd be like, yeah, okay, that
makes sense. He just hit that ball with his mind
and his sort of I did it, Yeah, sort of
interceded through him. He's like an antenna. He's kind of
picking up his sign or something with you, right right? True? Yeah, okay,

(34:01):
Well I'll take this next one. We got Tyson Fury,
heavyweight boxing champion, who gave us this quote, which was
from an interview with the Guardian. If I could take
my own life and I wasn't a Christian, I'd take
it in a second. I just hope someone kills me
before I kill myself. I'll have to spend eternity in hell. Wow, man,

(34:25):
what's up, Tyson? What's going on? Okay, buden you Okay,
that's kind of Oh why why do you need to
get yourself You're an avius? What's the deal?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I guess if if, if, if Christianity really gives you
that life purpose and you really don't think you can
have without it, I guess I understand that perspective. I
don't think that's a good perspective.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
But gis back to the old saying that atheists have
nothing to die for. They've just got everything to live for.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah. True, true, that's what fill out.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's where a lot of us are out like, oh
this is a one shot. Let's give it the best
we can and have a great time.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah. I guess, like, like, you know, I don't know.
It's there is kind of a stereotype that if we should,
if we are the way we are, that we have
no life purpose and stuff. And I think that's where
that's coming from. I think the assumption is, oh, well,
you must have nothing to live for if you're an atheist.
But it's like, man, I got I got tons of
stuff going on. Yeah, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
We have people we love, we have things we want
to do.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, yeah, I just got to think about it for
more than two seconds and realize there is more to
this life. Turns out, turns out there's there's other stuff
you can do, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And I'm sure that somebody who who thinks that way too,
doesn't devote one percent of their time in their life
to their religious beleey too.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah if if if he did, I wouldn't be reading
about him in an interview from the Guardian. They'd be
out in a monastery somewhere.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You wouldn't be a heavyweight boxer exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
So you know he's gotta he's gotta get that figured out. So, Kelly,
I think you got the next one for us, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Mean this is one's from Mark driscoll, megachurch pastor. He's
a controversial pastor known for his aggressive preaching style. Explicitly
catalogic categorize non belief as a form of double worship.
If you are an atheist, you are a Satanist. You
just don't know it.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Oh, okay, got it. So if you are like an
Aborigine and then like you, I don't know, went away
from your native culture's belief system. You're also supporting Satan
even though you may have like no idea about like
anything from Christianity. You're just all kind of supporting Satan.

(36:45):
I guess that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I think you would probably look at the fact that
you are supporting Satan even before you gave up that belief.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh goncha, Okay, that's h that he would.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Think that anybody who isn't a Christian is supporting Satan.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I don't like that. You know, where's the third party?
Where's the independent voter in this scenario? I want to
vote for the universe, you know, like just as a thing,
not really God or Satan. Can I go for the universe?
Or how about cosmic space? Unicorns can vot for that
one apple pandas don't need.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah a giraffe, Yeah there's rain by giraffes out there.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
You know, you got something? Yeah, I don't know. So
like that's I feel like, more than anything, this is
kind of insulting to Satanists because the Satanists are probably like, no,
we put in a lot of thought and care into this,
and you're lumping the lazy atheists, yeah, sort of into
our thing, you know, And they got like their own
rituals and stuff. You know, I don't know, it's more
offensive than them anything.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I was walking through a Walmart the other day, and
you know, I'm an atheist, and suddenly, when I was
picking up some sugar, I went, oh, I'm a Satanist.
And then you just it just hit me, just last blunder. Yeah,
oh that's what I am. Okay, someone told me sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I asked you, Hey, what do you believe in? I
don't believe in God. Oh sorry, actually I'm a Satanist.
Yes that yeah, right, that makes sense. Yeah, well, not
the most insightful quote of the night. I'd say this
next one, though, is Oh, Dolly Parton is on this list?
Can you believe it? Dolly Parton a lot of people

(38:21):
like Dolly Parton. You maybe you won't like her as
much if you hear this quote. Well generally known for
being inclusive, the country legend repeated a common dismissive trope
about the sincerity of non believers and said the following quote.
You don't see too many atheists on deathbed. They all
start cramming then, which was an interview that you did

(38:42):
in twenty eleven, So I get what she's saying because like, yes,
some deathbed recanting is a thing, but also it's really
dismissive for people who've been atheists for like their whole life,
you know what I mean, Like I get that that happens,
but like usually that's like relapsed Christians, they're kind of
do that thing more than atheists. Right.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I'm not who was raised Catholic passed away last year
and she didn't have any deathbed recantings over her atheism.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So yeah, and I just, well, my wife just lost
her one hundred year old papa, grandfather and we went
and visited him and not once did he mention God.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Not once. Yeah, so maybe Dolly Parton should stop doing that.
I think maybe she's.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Been hanging out with she's hanging out with the wrong
dying people.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah, Okay,
well this is a negative point to you, Dolly Parton.
Stop that, But keep keep up the book thing, you know,
giving kids books and stuff. That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
We received that. We do that in this house.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, it's a nice one. John, What's what's next on
our list?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Paul Walker? Now this is an actor, I do know. Finally, Yeah,
from the fast and the furious, or fast and furious
not the fast, never mind the late, to express a
total inability to comprehend the atheist worldview, linking it back
to a lack of appreciation for nature, which I don't
understand how those two things go together. But whatever he said.

(40:12):
The people I don't understand are atheists. I go surfing
and snowboarding, and I'm always around nature. I look at
everything and think, who couldn't believe there's a God?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (40:21):
All this a mistake? It just blows me away. It's
just another look at the trees argument.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, Paul, you know, when you're a millionaire actor who
has the time to go snowboarding and surfing, Yeah, I'm
sure life's pretty awesome, right Like, I'm not doubting that,
But you know, not everybody has the same sort of privilege.
I guess to look at things that way. Let's put
it that way.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I think the same thing when I'm driving down a
highway and I see twenty dead deer just lying by.
Oh it's a life beautiful, Oh how wonderful.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I thought you were going to make a really dark
joke there and say I think the same thing when
I drive by and I see a dead Paul Walker.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I thought to me, you're really lowering the tone down.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I don't. I'm well, oh god, you're right, Teddy. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Buden, I didn't mean to, you know, let
me get out. Jeez, all right, I gotta figure out
how to raise his tone again, you know. Rest and peace,
Paul Walker, Rest in peace.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, look at the trees and thinks.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
You gotta wonder how somebody can get well, you know,
because I've acted. It's not hard. It's not easy, you know,
it's not it's not really easy to act well, and
you got to have a half of brain to do it.
So it max blows me away when somebody would just
kind of like give up all thinking just to throw
in a God.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
You know, I don't know, Okay, Kevi, I'm not I'm
not sort of disparaging the acting tradition. Okay, I'm not
that guy, especially not with John in the room. Okay,
I wouldn't say that, but I will say celebrity actors
are not oftentimes as smart as I don't know. It's
what what celebrity actors you've been reading, but they're not
exactly quoting you. Know Socrates a.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Lot of times forming Hamlet.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
If Paul Walker did that, then I might take him seriously.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, I'd like to see the Paul Walker version of Hanley.
I watched that.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You at least be able to read a script.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, that's it, although actually you may not accord like
Robert de Niro, right, Like doesn't he just looking at
like flashcards and stuff. You may don't even have to
read a script, you know. So it's debatable if even
that's a requirement. But anyway, I guess we'll move on.
I think it's my turn again, right, is it my turn?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
It's Kelly.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh sorry, okay, Kelly, back to you.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
This one's from John Hagey. It's from a servant sermon
televised on jan John Haggey Ministries eight. And if you
don't know him, he's the founder of the Carterstone Church.
He's been explicitly insulting regarding the intellectrical intellectual contributions of
non believers. I'm all time tied. Atheism is bankrupt and empty.

(43:02):
It's brain dead. Atheism has never healed a disease. Atheism
has never given any one peace of mind.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Well, Okay, John, I like a report on my desk
of every disease that's been healed by Christianity police. Uh now, okay,
I'll do that right now.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
But okay, great, but are you talking power of pray
or are you talking uh.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You know, so literally anything. I think I'll take literally anything.
How about that?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
There you go?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
All right? Oh thanks, okay, it says here fucking nothing. Actually,
so I think we're tied on that one, mister Hagee.
I think it's oh to oh you know, maybe you
go ahead and get that home run guy to you know,
score you some pointers, because I don't know it's not
really going anywhere. It's gooo six. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I would say that I'm brain dead despite my atheism.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yes, yes, i'd agree with da.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Here's another thing too, because i'm brain dead, I also
have peace of mind.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh yeah, that's true. God, i'd pay for some peace
in mind right now. I'd like that, you know. But anyway,
I wonder what I guess he literally thinks, like the
praying over stuff. He's probably one of those guys he's like, yeah,
this is this is the healing that's going on. Oh gosh, annoying.
I hate it don't like it. We'll do a few

(44:28):
more here and then maybe wrap things up in just
a bit. I think. So this next one I got
is ben Stein. Ben Stein is the guy that's like Buehler,
Buehler and Ferris Bueller, you know, guy with the glasses.
That's ben Stein, like very famously also a Christian, and
very famously saying dumb stuff about that. In his documentary

(44:51):
Expelled No Intelligence Allowed, Stein heavily implied a direct cause
of link between leaving religion and committing genocide. Quote love
of God is sufficient to explain the universe. Atheism is not.
Darwinism led to the Holocaust. And I just want to

(45:12):
point out this is from the guy who made a
documentary about intelligent design, like one of the dumbest things
that has the name of intelligent in it, like ever made. Right,
So I'm not sure I'm taking his opinion, Uh too
too much? Not sure?

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
He's an amazing wealth of trivia. There was actually a
game show once that pitted him against the contestants with
trivia questions you had to beat. You had no more
answers than ben Stein did. It's actually where Jimmy Kimmel
got his start. He was co host of the show.
But I mean he but for all that trivia knowledge,
he's got a lot of lot a lot of really

(45:50):
bad opinions, and he's been a part of a lot
of a lot of far right a lot of very
religious rhetoric over the course of several decades. It's it's so,
I don't know that I would actually listen to much
of ben Stein would say, except for maybe having a
kind of fun trivia game with them someday.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
With that. Yeah, okay, so you can go play trivia
with ben Stein. I am gonna stay over here in
my corner because I don't want to be compared to
Hitler personally. You know. So that's just my thing. I
get it if it's not your thing. But you know,
we all have different standards. I guess I.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Feel that's a valid one. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Then, Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm just saying I I
don't remember Hitler talking about Charles Darwin too much. I
do remember that the Catholic Church celebrated Hitler's birthday. So
that's a fun little trivia fact you can bring up
to ben Stein next team they meet him.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I'd say it's that eugenics thing that they type back
to Darwin, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's people
like Harry Laughlin, you know, using using those ideas that
you know, if that, oh, if natural selection happens, then
we can force the selection. And that wasn't even an
idea of Darwin's right, yeah, No.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's still weird to be that you can cite your
grandfather as a eugenicist and unironically, like, not as a joke,
just say yeah, Harry Laughlin and be one hundred percent
serious about it. But you know, I just want to
be as open about it as you are. That's all ye. Anyway,
So that's that's that's fine. Let's move on. Next one here.

(47:31):
Kenneth Copeland.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Everyone's everyone's favorite televangelist, Kenneth Copeland one. He's one of
the world's America's most wealthy pastors pastors. Copeland dismissed the
intellectual validity of atheism entirely, and this is what he said.
The atheist problem is not that they cannot know God. Rather,
it is that they do not want to know him.

(47:55):
Man's problem with the existence of God is not an
intellectual problem. It is a more all problem and I'm
almost surprised he didn't slip in the word barometer.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
There, right, Right, everyone else does, right, Steve Harvey, you
know they should develop that technology together.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Right? Why we're liars. We're all liars. The three of
us are liars. We know that God exists, we just
choose not to accept it or something.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
It's a moral problem, right.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
We want to sin because because we have bad morals.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
I'm trying to think of other domains of knowledge that
are held up by morality, like being like, like, do
I know the earth is round? Because I'm a good person?
I like, is that the correlation there?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Like?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
What what other correlations can we make to knowledge?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I don't think of any. I guess it's just the
god thing. Huh, that's the only thing stopping us.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Wait, if I'm a good person, I could know how
the weather. No, that doesn't work either. Yeah, you're right,
You're right. I can't think of that.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah. Now, what kind of knowledge can we gain from
being banned people? Does it work in the inverse? Because
is there some sort of arcane sort of arts that
we maybe have access to? I don't know, ups, I
think we're becoming Satanists. Actually, by talking about this, I
see the connection. Now, it's all making sense.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
We're slowly moving there.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah. Kenneth Copeland again another guy on this list that
like moral advice, not taking it right. I don't think
I need to get lessons from from him, So I'm
good on that. Actually, I always.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Feel when he has kind of he when he has
so much money, that he could get rid of a
fourth of it and really save a lot of suffering
of true believe in his God.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Even that's true.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, I apologize for not spitzing it with as much
venom when I read it out right. Yeah, I felt
very relaxed when I read that.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, you do have it's not you didn't quite match
his accent, but that's okay. I didn't quite match great comfort.
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
That's fair. Yeah, so we're even now.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Very Yeah, i'd say, so that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Oh we got I got stuck there for a second.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I also got stuck there for a second. That's okay.
It may be because of the supernatural abilities of this
next person that you're reading from, Kelly, it.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Could well be he's socking it to us. Chuck Norris
wrote several columns for World not Daily world not daily
attacking secular education and the separation of church and state.
If we are to survive as a free nation, we
must return to the God of our fathers. A secular
progressive agenda is not the way to the future. It's

(50:41):
the way to the past, to the darkness, to.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
The past, to the darkest. That sounds like something from
one of his movies. Yeah, you know, uh yeah, huh
chuck corns.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Huh, okay, half the past, Because I feel like, you know,
if if we're only going back in like a thousand
years when people did believe in gods and stuff it
was pretty dark, then yeah, sure was.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. It seems like every time
you've been a like, I don't know, Christians are either
at the end of really poor treatment or are the
like creators of really poor treatment for other people. So like,
I don't know which is a good time, Like when
when was the time we want to go back to?
For that, I don't know, certainly not good for everybody. Wow, yeah, well, yeah,

(51:27):
I feel bad. You know, I made a lot of
jokes about you as a kid, thinking how cool you were,
and now this one I'm learning some things. It's not
not as cool.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I don't know about you, fellas though, but I would
read world Nut Daily.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
World Nut Daily does sound like a good one.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I wish I could roundhouse kick this knowledge out of
my head so that I could still view Chuck Norse
at a favorable light, But unfortunately I can't. Could you?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Well, but if you could, could you also do it
for the Dolly pots in one because.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I said, list some minor comment, but it's like, Dolly,
come on, I have to say that.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
But we've gotten let down by Teddy Roosevelt, Dolly partner,
Chuck Norris.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, that's a big gosh, that's a big couple of
ones there. Let's see if there's any more that we
could be left down by. Actually I'm not even sure.
I think maybe we should do one more uh one
more round here? I think, guys think, okay, let's let's
let's get this through. This next one is, of course,
someone who we all know, love and respect is Dennis Frager.

(52:32):
Of course, Dennis Frager of Frager. You I can't like
he has to be the Fragger you guy, like we
have to call him that now because it's just a
YouTube channel. He probably doesn't do anything for it's probably
other people that actually write stuff. But anyway, Frager frequently
argues that atheists are incapable of leading truly meaningful lives.
And here's a quote from one of his videos. You

(52:54):
can be an agnostic intellectually, but you cannot live as
an agnostic. You live there as if life is random chance,
or as if it is infused with ultimate meaning. That's it, Han,
That's the only two sort of things we can go on. Okay, yeah,
I guess you can't live as an agnostic. If you do,

(53:15):
your prain is going to explode from the contradictions. It
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't understand how they, you know, how they they
think that their lives revolve around their religious belief they.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Have like that.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
That's only like I'm like everybody I know who's religious,
except for some really really crazy fanatic people.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
And I didn't mean crazy like mentally like a mental illness,
but I meant it more as you know, you know
what I mean, wild some wild wild like like wacky, right,
And that most people who are believers, the religion is
really such a small part of their lives ten percent less, right,
and they have all us ninety percent of their life

(53:54):
that doesn't revolve around religion at all. But if somebody
else doesn't believe that same ten percent and they can't
have any of the ninety other ninety rest of their life.
It's just so wacky to me that people would believe
something of that. Yeah, they'll see that in their own life.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
You know, what's this magical purpose that Dennis Prager has
that I don't making conservative propaganda pieces on YouTube to
trick you know, people into thinking they have good arguments
for things that they don't like. That's that's the amazing
life purpose that I'm losing out on by not being
a believer.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think I'll fast.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I think people would pay good money to listen to
that kind of resturrec and so maybe up barely they do.
That's what is happening.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
But yeah, I mean there's been on ironic I mean
you would know this, I think, John, there's been people
that have nironically wanted to get Frager you put into
schools like as curriculum, like the next fucking misfrizzle or whatever,
you know, just like getting that shit in there. I
don't know, it's not great, so not a good one.
This next one is another. I think a print error, John,

(54:58):
So you should go to the one after that. Oh, well,
I've seen a really good one. And I'm sorry, okay
for Greg because he's got a lot of he's one
of my favorites in like his favorites. Pastor Greg Locke
is close Frank Turek Okay, okay, gotcha, and he and.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
He uses this a lot. He says this a lot.
I'm not saying that atheists can't be moral. I'm saying
they can't justify morality. If there is no God, everything
is a matter of opinion. The Nazis had an opinion,
We had an opinion. If there is no God, who
is to say who was right? And I kind of

(55:39):
did that like he was saying it, but with a
British accent. Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
I can see that Frank Cherik has no good opinion
on morality. I know this for a fact because I've
met Frank Cherk in person, and he's part of the
reason why I'm called objectively damned because I asked him
about objective morality one time, and I thought his answered
to objective morality. He was so stupid that anything could
be objective. So I might as well be objectively Dan.

(56:05):
That is the lore behind my name, folks. It goes
down to Frank Turk. So anyway, I asked him about
the verse in the Bible that talks about the folks
that were stoning people on a Sunday for picking up sticks,
and whether that was an example of objective morality, and
I can't give you an exact quote, but his answer
to me basically was, well, this was the thing that

(56:27):
they did at the time, right, that this was the
acceptable course of punishment in the Jewish community.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Which that's just cultural relativism, right, that's just saying, hey,
it was okay, there's nothing objective about it. It's it's
really just his opinion. So yeah, it does come to
our opinions, mine and Frank Turik's.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I guess if that's the case, I'm going to bury
my children in some foundations because it was acceptable at
the time.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, beving a pyramid like Nicholas Cage he's going to do.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, yeah, if anybody ever
actually pulled Frank Turk aside to actually tell him, you
know that your belief in God, that's a fucking opinion.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Time I've seen people say that to him.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, and if you figured out Morownie's objective, there's a
prize with your name on it. Okay, But like everybody
that's ever studied ethics is I don't know, they're not
all in agreeance on this, so I don't know. But
of course Frank Turk knows better than any of us,
I guess about what it means to be moral. So anyway,

(57:33):
not great. Last one on here, though, Kelly is for you.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, and we had to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
We had we had to do it.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Man video segment with Kirk camer and we got ray comfort.
Behold the Atheist Nightmare. Note that the banana and the
hand are perfectly made.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm going to interrupt you. Kelly.
Can you please do it in your best New Zealand accent?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Please, I cannot do a New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I'd like to see you try.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Oh the Atheist Nightmare that's Australian man.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
No, that's close enough. No, I listen to take it
from me. It's close enough.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
God has placed the tab at the top. When you
pull the tab, the contents don't squirt in your face.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
But good.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
And I was like the idea of pulling the tab
and having the content squirt in your face.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
You know, yeah, I'm with you. I can't tell you
I've I've already enjoyed something squatting in my face.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Right, If I had a nickel for every time John
Is told me about how much he loves and things
getting squirt in his face, I'm a rich man.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I tell you, guys, you might have seven nickels. I mean,
that's still good.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Seven nickels in this economy, right, Okay? Anyway, so do
you know about this that Ray Comfort has said? So
he did like a documentary later called The Fool, right,
and it's supposed to be about him in his life,
and he talks about this scene and he says, oh,
I was trolling in this scene. That's his explanation. So
he was just that he knew that this wasn't a

(59:04):
good argument or whatever, and he was just choking. I
don't buy that for a single. I don't buy that
for seven nichols. Let me tell you, there is no
way on God's green earth that that man was showing
deep Do you think in the edit of that video
he was watching it back and he went, oh, oh,
hang on it. He was.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
He was pretty confident when he said, I you know,
watch that video and and again Kirk Cameron's there, yeah right, yeah, yeah,
just not along.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
With it all, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, that was that was not that was not trolling.
That wasn't that was totally intentional.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, absolutely, he was something.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
He hadn't thought through all the way. And here, you know,
a lot of a lot of Christian apologetics aren't for
people who aren't Christian, or who aren't who are not Christians.
It's for Christian Hey, look how great our belief is.
And and here I'm let's strengthen our own belief, right,
because the things that most of the stuff is so illogical.
It's not going to land with people like us, right,

(01:00:02):
it's not going to do it. But if you already believe,
it's going to totally strengthen that belief. And that's the
great comfort is that's that's where he lives.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
It's the confidence of hey, I'm not feeling super good
about my belief. I need another person to tell me
that my belief is actually good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
That's the role that Raye comfort fills and others like him,
for sure, he likes fulfilling roles in different ways, i'd say,
or may not he included on that note. But hey,
this was a really great time, gentlemen, thanks so much
for joining me today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
There was a lot of hateful laughter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It was a hateful laughter, but joyous laughter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yes, well, I like to be they have somebody call
the three of us hateful while we're up here even
such a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You know it. Yeah, I'm thankful that John can give
me acting tips on how to give my best musical accent,
an instructive and positive ways.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Going to help you right now with ten seconds. Okay,
Australians say fish and chips. New Zealanders say fashion chaps.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Fushion chaps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah, yeah, is that real?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
That sounds fair?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
I'm caugh, I'm one my grandfather. Yeah, I know we've
got some Dan law.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That's right, the Laura's. But yeah, we got me talking
about Frank Turk. You mean a quarter Kiwi and Kelly
being related to a white supremacist. That yeah, that's what
are we're going to give untruth wanted? Well, okay, all right,
I'll keep that in mind next time I'm practicing in
front of the mirror. When I think nobody is watching.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah, and the best one is when they talk about
a deck, because in New Zealand they don't call it
a deck, they call it a dick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
A dick. Wow, it makes a little bit more sense.
But anyway, all right, well, so this has been a
great thankful for our hater's episode. And you know, I
am thankful that all these people can say this dumb
stuff so that we can make fun of it on
New Show today, and you know, hopefully we've got some

(01:02:13):
laughter for you guys watching it home as well and realizing, hey,
you're not alone. You know that the other people think
the same way you do, and you know people are
going to think the way that they think, and just
let them think it. Okay, it's Thanksgiving season, you know
people are going to have their opinions. Whatever, man, you
got to do you, okay, do what's best for yourself.
Don't worry what other people are thinking. Live your best life.

(01:02:35):
It's what Teddy would have wanted. And we got to
make sure, you know what, you keep that voice high,
you don't keep it low. That's my thoughts, gentlemen, any
other thoughts you want to give before I go off
on a tangent here way off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I just want to say I'm thankful for being here
with the two of you. I'm thankful for being able
to work on Truth Wanted for as long as I have.
And I'm really thankful for the viewers. And I hope
that they have as much fun of watching this as
we did making it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So I love that, and I love that giant any
saccharine sort of message, you want.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
To thank everybody who works behind the scenes for these shows,
because without them we are nothing. And uh, we just
love them all and we're thankful for all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I love that. I love that. Well, it's time to
wrap things up, folks. This has been another great episode
of Truth Wanted. Remember to always keep one the truth,
and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
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