BG Robert Spalding SPECIAL ENCORE

BG Robert Spalding SPECIAL ENCORE

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Thanks for listening to our upcoming podcast on Erskine Radio.
Nobody knows about China any better than Brigadier General Robert Spaulding,
retired from the US Air Force after twenty five years
of service, former China strategist for the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff and Joint Staff at the Pentagon,

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as well as senior Defense has shaped to China. General
Spaulding's fluent and Mandarin alter of Stealth's War. Get the
name of this, because you're going well. Get the book
Stealth War. How China took over while America's elite slept.
Not only slept, General Spaulding, but in some cases they
cooperated with them in many cases, which is available at

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Amazon dot com. We've outsourced our electronics, Apple, transformers, TVs, etc.
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fentanyl and coronavirus. We've got his website and everything at
Erskine radio dot com. There's a lot that's happened since
the last interview we did, but we're going to go

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back and backtrack on a few things. One of them
is that you have six spheres that China's operating in
you've got the China War on the economy. We're seeing
that happen. We're seeing the military, We're seeing diplomacy, technology, education,
and infrastructure. Are we too late to fight them or

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do we not have the will to fight them? We
didn't have the knowledge until now. You did, you were
fluent in Mandarin. That made a major difference. You know
what they're saying, what they're talking about, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well I did, And you know, I've been after this
for about six or seven years now, so I've had
a big head start. Really understood their strategy, what they
were doing, and they While they have done a pretty
good job at undermining our economy and our society, I
still think there's plenty of time for us to back,

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you know where we used to be.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh, I hope.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
One of the things that I've noticed, we have a
president who wrote a book and it's called The Art
of the Deal. Now, just from the title of that,
he seems to have an understanding of the art of war.
If you want to understand China, you better read the
Art of War because that really tells you a lot,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It really does. They have a different way of looking
at warfare. It's much less about using military forces, much
more about using spies and subterfuge and obfuscation and hiding.
That's why the book's titled stealth War. It's really about,
you know, how do you use your adversaries strengths against them?
And for us, it was openness. So the Chinese Communist

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Party essentially used our openness, our willingness to help them
to really subvert our economy, subvert our society. And you know,
it's really almost too late, but thank god as Americans
are waking up after this coronavirus to what the Communist
Party is.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's not only openness, but it's also our political correctness.
When they talk about well, it's to say it's Chinese virus,
So the Muhan virus is xenophobic, that political that degree
of political correctness they're using. They're loving it, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well they actually do. It's one of the strategies they
use to prevent, you know, people from criticizing the party.
So if you criticize the party, they'll say that you're
being racist, when we know that, you know, they stepped
to get the Chinese people, you know, so they're they're
the ultimate racist.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
They really are. Friend I wrote a book about it,
and she can't get out of China now because she
wrote a book and they are extraordinarily racist the Chinese government. Now.
One of the things now, I'm not sure if it
came from one of the mafia movies or if it
came from the art of the d all or the
art of war. Bargain from strength. That's something that they appreciate,

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something that we have since learned and that mister Trump
has done. President Trump is bargaining from. This is key
to bargaining in any negotiation on diplomacy, isn't it You
bargain from a point of strengths.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
There's absolutely no way that you can deal with the
Chinese Communist Party if you don't bargain from a position
of strengths, they will take advantage you every single time.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Every single time. Now, when you're talking about the economy,
you can see what they've done to the economy, and
this is playing right into their hands. They knew that
this would affect the economy. Militarily, how are they From
everything I've heard, they are really advancing militarily. I think
they had a satellite they just christ into the Atlantic.
They've really advanced militarily because we've opened up, we've had

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Chinese scientists working on some of our materials and things
we were not keeping our secret secret even in Los Alamos.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, they have been able to use our research and
development against us. But you know they've also used this
trade and balance to build up their manufacturing capabilities. They built,
you know, more ships now, they have more naval vessels
than we have. Of course, they have thousands of intermediate
range conventional ballistic missiles. We couldn't build them because we

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are part of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty with Russia.
Of course, Russia was cheating so way behind in terms
of the weapons that are being deployed in the Pacific.
And you know, our weapons are very expensive and those
are cheap, so they're designing cheap weapons that counteract our
aircraft carriers. So they've been very effective in their military strategy.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
They're ships, They've got catamarans and things that I've noticed
their ships. They are really sleek and fast, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
They do have quite capable military They have you know,
maneuvering ballistic missiles which you know can actually think a
carrier aircraft carrier. So they have quantum communication satellites. You know,
so a lot of very high tech gears.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Let's talk about while of the things that they're doing
to undermine America, and one of the keys to the
things is at the university's the Confucius Institutes. I had
no idea I talked with you how extraordinarily significant this
is and how important it is to undermine America.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It absolutely is. And it's really an arm of the
Chinese Communist Party. It's the propaganda arm called the United
Front work group that funds and supports these Confucius Institutes.
There's actually a movement a foot amongst the both the
college Democrats and college Republicans to drive these Confucius Institutes

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out of the university. So, you know, finally the students
themselves are waking up and they're working together on both
sides of the aisle to drive these Confucius system institutes
off the university campuses around the country.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
A lot of the students who are there are essentially
no essentially they are they're spies and they have to
follow the party lawne, and they are there to spread
Marxism among the college students, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
The students themselves are forced to abide by Chinese law,
which says that every citizen, every company must respond to
intelligence collection requirements created by the government. So every single person,
every single company must buy for the government by law.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
So not all are they expreading Marxist propaganda, but they're
also there to get technology and any other information that
they can get to send back to their Marxist masters.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, and it's not passive. In other words, they can't
wait for the government to ask them. They actually need
to be proactive. That's what the law states.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Wow, no wonder people want to get rid of them.
We need to do something about that. And how come
we're not hearing anything about it? People just don't want
to talk about it. You're while of the few people
has brought that up.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, I think you know Corporate America, Wall Street, you
know a lot of the universities, they get a lot
of money from Chinese students who are paying full tuition.
Fifteen billion dollars a year is going to the university system.
Think tanks, lobbying firms, consulting firms, they're all getting money
from China, and so it's very hard to raise awareness

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because you entire basically they've used that openness to co
opt our entire system to essentially shut down any dissent
or any kind of you know, bringing to the surface
of these various activities that they that they're conducting.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
We're going to talk when we get back about investment funds,
and we're also going to talk about the one thing
we have that scares China, and it does scare China.
That's our constitution, isn't it. They're afraid of that, They
absolutely are.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
They're concerned about their population becoming knowledgeable about democracy and
free trade and you know, private property and all all
these things that Americans take for granted. You know, they're
absolutely concerned about their population learning about those things.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Power in the hands of an individual as opposed to
the collective is not something that China wants, is it.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Absolutely not. They don't want their citizens to be empowered
to think for themselves, to really dream about the future.
They want them to be, you know, focused on supporting
the party and the fact that the party is the
only thing that can bring the Chinese, the Chinese people
out of you know, the dark ages.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Essentially, we'll be right back, and don't forget the book.
It's called Stealth War. How China took over America a
while America's elite slept stealth war. Talking with Brigadier General
Robert Spaulding, nobody knows about China more than he does.
One of the things that they have control of is
investment funds. You saw that. With not to become too political,

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Joe Biden's son billion dollars worth of investment funds he
got from China. Goldman's Acts didn't get Joe biden son did.
Was this a payoff? Of course? Of course, But they're
funneling technology to China through some of these companies that
they're buying up. We've got a thirty year agreement share
peaceful nuclear technology, thirty year agreement to access American nuclear

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Know how is that for real? General Smalding that we've
signed agreement to give them peaceful nuclear technology?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Absolutely, you know, we you know, I fought it during
the Obama administration and essentially they they you know, you
went ahead and signed it. And of course, you know
the Chinese steel technology. Everybody knows that, and I think.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
They don't have to steal it. We're giving it to them. Really,
they don't have to steal we're giving it to them.
We're opening up the doors. That's incredible. What that's insanity,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
It really is. You know, our submarines and our aircraft
carriers are really the best because of our nuclear technology.
And of course, you know when you talk about the
civil nuclear technology, it's very much related to military technology
here in the United States. So that's some of our
most guarded secrets.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And that's why they want the part that is East
Turkistan because they've got uranium there, so they can have
their own uranium supply. That's why one of the reasons
they're so adamant to get the wagers out.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well, I mean they've dominated resources around the world. It's
not just there, but you know, resources in Africa, resources
in Australia. Of course they're buying up rare earth metal minds.
Here in the United States. They dominate rare earth metal
processing around the world, which goes into microelectronics and you

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know lift the iron car batteries. So yeah, they're dominating
you know, the key materials for the future.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
You want to go up to bamfupping Canada, they own it.
I mean, that's the stuff that they own around the
world is just incredible. People are selling out to them
Hollywood in the movies. Now, the thing that I saw
about Hollywood, they had Tom Tom Cruise was making a
new Top Gun movie and on one of the patches
he had the patch of Timewan, they air brushed it out.

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They are becoming that that cautious. They they will tell
Hollywood exactly what they want, how they wanted, and the
way that you write it, because they own it. They're
putting all the money in. This is more propaganda. And
when you get Hollywood, you've got television, you've got the
whole genre and all the movies that they have, and

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they're putting out out the way they wanted to be displayed.
They understand propaganda, don't they.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Oh, they're absolutely the professionals that you know. They are
essentially professionally trained liars and their kind of party hammers
go through training, you know constantly.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
What about Hong Kong. Now you said that this is
coming up, and Hong Kong has not only lost their autonomy,
they are losing it even faster. Every day they're coming
in and they're saying, Okay, this is the way it is.
And even though they had agreements, they're discarding their agreements
with Hong Kong. The people in Hong Kong are just lost,

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aren't they, Because most of them want freedom. They've had
a taste of it. And you know, it's like the
old saying, how do you keep them down on the
farm after they've visited the city. But this is the
same way. After they've had a taste of freedom. They
don't want to go back to this tautalitarian tutalitarianism of China.
They don't want it. The people of Hong Kong. Not

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all of the people, but I'd say the vast majority
don't want it, do they?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
They absolutely don't. You know, in December, the Chinese Communist
Party said that they're going to crush the freedoms of
Hong Kong. They publicly announced it during this coronavirus where
everybody's distracted. He's actually been carrying that out. You know,
they're carrying legislatures out. You know, they forcefully dragging them
out of the legislature. You know, it really is the

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end of an independent and free Hong Kong. And so
the Congress has told because of the nineteen ninety two
Hong Kong Sovereign Hong Kong Act, that the State Department
has to report to Congress that they're sufficiently autonomous, otherwise
they risk losing the ability to trade with us, to

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have a connection to our financial institutions. I think this
is one of the ways that the Chinese Communist Party
makes billions of dollars, and that's the key reason they
haven't rolled tanks. Instead, they've used the police force to
beat and coerce and detain and to lock up and
too basically extradite protesters. And they've been doing that continuously.

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I think the media has forgotten, the world's forgotten, and
it's time for us to basically say, take that special
relationship away from Hong Kong and take it away from
the Chinese Communists Party, that that opportunity to get hundreds
of billions of dollars from our Wall Street.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Absolutely absolutely. Now, the other thing you're saying is we're
entering a brave new world. And this brave new world,
General Spaulding, it's a world of a digital battlefield as
much as anything. They've got websites like TikTok, and I've
seen them pushing TikTok on some of the news shows.
They say, oh, there's great, people are putting up this

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video on that video On the other, this is a
website that's used by pedophiles. This is a terrible website.
Take a pinpoint any kid who's on it. Nobody should
be on TikTok. They really shouldn't. That's a terrible thing.
And it's all controlled by China.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, they are one of the things that the Chinese
Commuyist Party realized that rat other than against what Clinton
said in nineteen ninety two where he said that, you know,
controlling the internets like nailing jello against the wall, the
Chinese Commuist Party has actually figured out how to nail
Jello against wall. They did control the.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Internet, and we're seeing it controlled more and more. Uh.
And you've got outfits like Google, and you've got outfits
like YouTube and those where videos are put up and
they're taken down very very quickly. If you want to
watch something, watch it quickly. Because these people want to
do business with China, and if they don't do this,
they're not going to be in China, right absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
You know, they've figured out how to use all the
data collected by these companies like Google, Face, the data
the Facebook creating apps. You know, that's what the Chinese
want that are data and look.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
At the data the Facebook has. It's got data on everybody.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It absolutely does. And that's essentially what the Chinese companies
party learned. And not only could they influence you to
buy more shoes, they can influence you to like a
political party. They can influence you to protest. And this
is what the Russians and the Chinese boats have really
begin to dominate. And that's what they want to do
with regard to five gens. It's collect data on people

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and then begin to influence societies, not just their own,
everywhere around the world.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Now, well we control five gees er, is that going
to be controlled by China as it comes in? I
know they're putting up three hundred thousand new cell towers
and these are basically can be cranked up to control population.
Their miniature microwave ovens. Make no mistake about their miniature
microwave ovens. There's a lot of hell's risk with this,

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aside from other risks. Whether there's some of the other
risk on the five.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
G well, you know, I don't know about the microwave.
You know, we're the only country really that's using millimeter wave.
The Chinese are actually using midband but it's really about
the ability to collect data. These networks are meant to
have cameras, microphones, machines connected to them that are watching
everything that goes on. Then this gets, you know, used

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with the artificial intelligence. It's a big data analysis to
really identify what people are doing and then to create
a score. It's a social credit score that scores you know,
do you jwalk, do you smoke, do you drink, do
you gamble? Do you curse the government? What are the
things that you do that make you a good citizen?
If you're not, if you're a dog owner, your score

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drops too much, So just take your dog. This is
the kind of society they're.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Building, so they can control your every action and if
you want to have a decent job, if you want
to have better food, then you follow their line and
you do what they tell you, otherwise you don't. In
other words, they're totally controlling your life. Total control of
your life.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, that's exactly what they're trying to do. And they
saw how Silicon Valley basically built the technology and the
business models that enable them to control lots of people
via these social media platforms and these e commerce platforms.
So they're incorporating the incorporating that into the way they're
govin or governing their people.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh, General Spaulding, this is certainly not app me talk.
There's no way around it. And they want to bring
it to us, the same type of technology to control us.
And this is what they want everything for the state.
When they get it, what have they got? What have
they got? They've got subservient little robots and this is

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exactly where it's going. We'll be right back. Remember Twitter
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thank you all for going up there. We'll be right back.
General Spalding's book is one that you should get. It
is called Stealth War. How China took over while America's

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elite slept. This is so important for you to know
and to understand. Should be in the hands of every
Congress critter. And this is the book that will tell
you what's going on. So one of the things, the
secrets in China stay in China. They are seeking to
suppress our own history. We're seeing that more and more

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throughout our society. They don't want to talk about our history.
It's like it never happened. A bunch of old white
guys and all of this. We're seeing our history distorted
and suppressed, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, you know, one of the great things about the
digital world is you can delete things and you never
know that they ever existed. You know, some researchers found this.
They had, you know, paper journals, and they noticed that
articles were missing from the online journals. And what they
realized is the Chinese were going in and deleting certain
articles that they didn't want. This is going on all

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over the place today on the internet.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
So changing history, changing history.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It really is. It's really about changing history, ensuring that
the only things that you know are the things that
they want you to know. The only language that you
speak is the language they want you to speak. It's
very effective.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
So essentially what they're doing is exporting censorship. Is that
too much to say?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's not too much to say. You look at the
platforms like YouTube, like Facebook, like Twitter. A lot of
times if you say things against the Chinese Communist Party
or talk about the things that they do, they'll be censored.
You know, they've been taking stuff down on YouTube when
you talk about the fact that they actually created the pandemic.
Let's forget about you know where the virus came from.

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If you just look at their actions with regard to
the pandemic they started, they spread it at the same
time that they were hoarding ppe, so they could then
turn around and take advantage of it. It's really really
quite smart when you think about it, but also kind of.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Evil working both sides against the metal maren't they?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Absolutely, it's a way to profit while you know the
world is essentially descending into chaos.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And you've got people like mister Biden who said the
Chinese are not competition. Not competition. I mean, it's crazy.
And you've got people like Elaine Chow who is married
to Center Mitch McConnell and her family's one of the
biggest transporters in China. They have ingratiated themselves into the
very powers of Washington, into the both parties, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, the Communist Party really seeks to create relationships with
the elites of countries everywhere, not just the United States,
but all democracies to ensure that their prerogatives are met.
So they're really trying to ensure that those people that
they need to make the decisions for them in other
countries are profiting, so they're very interested in creating creating

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these financial and economic relationships with the country's elite.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
With what's happened, And is it wrong to call it
the Chinese or the Muhan virus? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well. I mean, I think if you talk about Lyme disease,
if you're talking about the West Nile virus, I mean,
this is not the first time that something's been named.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Look look at the Spanish Spanish flu and look at
all the different things. It's where it originally started, uh,
all of these, it's where they came out.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, you know, I think it was just, you know,
clearly a strategy by the Chinese Communist Party to deflect attention.
In fact, they've been trying to tell the rest of
the world that the virus actually comes from the United States,
like our uh you know military who was over there
participating in the Olympic Games, Right, We're the ones spreading it.

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So this is this is clearly designed to deflect attention
from the from the virus, you know, the pandemic that
started at their by their by their hand in by
the Communist leadership's hands in China.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
So the chance of us having a military war is
probably pretty reduced because they're so effective with this economic war.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well it is, and really they they don't think in
those two anyway. Remember you mentioned the art of war.
It's really about trying to get your opponent to defeat themselves,
or your adversaries to fight amongst.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Them, right, is the way they think, and it's very successful.
And one of the ways that they're doing it is
through the Silk Road. Tell a little bit about the
Silk Road.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, the Silk Road has a land component that goes
through Central Asia, in the Eastern Europe, in the Western Europe.
It's got a maritime component that goes through the Suels
Canal into Greece into the Port of Peaeas.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It sounds good. It really sounds good, General Spaulding, because
they're rebuilding the infrastructures for these countries. That's a good thing,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, they're also trying to control the politics and trying
to control the Eurasian land mask. You know, it's really
about control of a large economic ecosystem that really benefits China.
And there's a digital self road portion of it. So
it's got fiber, They've laid half the undersea cables. It's
really about building five G network and bringing it all together.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
So even when there it sounds good. I mean, if
you talk about the silk roads and what they're doing
building fibers, building transportation systems and all that, helping the
poorer countries, sounds really good. But there is a nefarious
content of what they're doing. They're looking out for themselves.
Always remember they're looking out for themselves. We sometimes look

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at the superficial the story that they're putting out and
don't look at the backstory. Isn't that the.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Case, Well, exactly the case. They're always trying to deflect
attention from what they're doing. It's all about obfuscation. That's
why the books called the self war, because it's a
war that kidden in plain sight. It's meant to destroy
you without even knowing you even knowing that it's existing.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Wow. Wow, Now they're intellectual property. That's another thing. Now.
I think President Trump knows how to deal with them
better than most, and I think he tries to keep
his h and his friends close, as enemies closer. That's
one of the reasons we have to keep open dialogue
with China because you can understand so much more by

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keeping his enemies closer.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Absolutely, you know he wants to maintain that open dialogue.
You know that is used for risk mitigation, to write
the conflicts. It's not about going to war. It's really
about changing the equations. So right now they're bankerupting us
like we did the Soviet Union. We need to turn
the tables and begin to bankrupt them versus having ourselves

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be bankrupt.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I heard that the least I've heard that basically China
is bankrupt, that they owe so much money, more money
than we owe. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Well? There, Yes, their debt is very high, right, one
hundred times GDP. But the problem is most of it's
owned by China. They'd actually created because they have a
closed financial system and they've had this uneven trade imbalance
for so long, they've been able to get a lot
of hard currency from the United States and others, and

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then by the turn around and buy assets in countries
all around the world. A lot of that's gone to
the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party via corruption, but
a lot of it is owned still owned by China,
So it's something that we're going to have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So even in China, you've got the real by the
oligarchs who are making all the.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Money, and essentially the Chinese commutiest party of leadership has
enriched themselves. That's part of this whole game.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Now, when you're talking about the leader of China, understand
that even to become leader of China, you have to
be a very ruthless person.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
This is this is exactly where the Shinjiong concentration camps
come from. You know, Johns them in destroyed the Follen Goal,
so millions of people were put into prison and then
were their organs were harvested. Chiesiping has done the same.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Thing even to own even to his own family.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Understand Well, you know, I don't know specifics with regards
to his family. I do know that you know, the
Chinese Communist Party is a brutal, brutal organization and there's
nothing that they are unwilling to do if it benefits them.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
So how do you deal with someone who is so brutal.
They obviously have no respect for human life? We do?
Is that a weakness for us in dealing with them?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Well, I think what you have to do is just
you know, look at them with realistic eyes and and
not rose colored glasses, and you have to deal with them,
as we said, from a position to strength. You can't
let them, you know, take advantage of our technology, our talent,
and our capital and our innovation. If we do, they're
going to use it against us. So we basically have

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to cut them out, and we have to work with
our allies and partners to ensure that they cut them
out too. And if they don't want to cut them out,
then we have to cut them out, you know. So
it's really about working with our allies to ensure the
democracies are trading together, that we're cooperating together against these
totalitarian regimes like the Chinese Communist Party.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
This is a fight for our core values, isn't it,
General Spaulding.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It absolutely is. And that's exactly what the National Security
Strategy talks about, is getting back to our core values
and fighting together with other democracies to promote them around
the world.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
When we look at what's happened, we've had a major disruption.
First thing they did was shut down the churches. We've
also shut down all discourse. You can't communicate with other people.
This fits right into their plan. This pandemic. It couldn't
have been better, could it. This could not happen by accidents.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, no, they didn't. In fact, She Jinping says himself
that he was in charge of Wuhan on the seventh
of January, and of course you know it's a peak
travel season in China, and so by the twenty third
of January, when they shut the country, five million people
have left. Wuhan can't go domestic, but they can go
intern out national airlines, and then they can go to
the four corners of the Earth. At the same time,

(30:04):
they're sending out the message around the world to lock
down Ppe.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Let's talk a little more about time when we return
with General Robert Spaulding. The book you need to get
a copy of it. It is called Stealth War. Get
a copy of that. We'll be right back. We'll be returning.
We were talking just as we were leaving about how
that the President of China has actually relishing what's happened.

(30:30):
This is really playing into their hands. And one of
the keys that you mentioned was in Wuhan they can
send people to Italy because they dealt with a lot
of fabrics and that type of stuff. They send people
all over the world. They didn't send them to Beijing,
they didn't send them Hong Kong, they didn't send them
to Singapore. No travel within the country. They were shut off.
So when President Trump decided to cut all flying with

(30:55):
China and all of the rules that he put into effect,
he did exactly the right thing. That's warded this and
actually probably saved us from a lot of death.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, he did protect us. And the problem was that
because the World Health Organization was basically collaborating with the
Chinese Communist Party, we didn't shut flights to and from Europe.
So China sent the disease to Europe and then it
came to our East coast through Europe. And so that's

(31:27):
why a lot of the deaths have happened on our
East coast is because you know, the World Health Organization
wasn't basically telling the truth with regard to human and
human transmission that was going on in Muhan.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now you know, even at the border here in Arizona,
one day they called over three hundred Chinese trying to
sneak in.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, last year was eleven hundred. The total that were
caught coming into the border, so who knows how many
actually made it in so, you know, securing the border actually,
as he realizes, just you know, about the drugs, it's
also about you know, preventing the spread of a pandemic
in this case.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Absolutely, and so the wall is looking more and more
intelligent to anybody who looks at it. It's for our safety,
it's for our security. It is a military use to
save us and to protect this just like they put
the wall up over in Israel stopped a lot of
their car bombings and things there.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, you know, one of the things that we found
when I was at the White House is globalization. Internet
has brought us a whole different set of problems and challenges,
challenges like we talked about with open data where your
population could be influenced through the Internet, and you've got
the challenge of open borders where Jesus can be sent across.
So it is a challenge of globalization, the Internet, the

(32:49):
new connected world that you know, it's not tanks and
ships and planes and submarines that are going to protect you,
it's actually you know, influencing your border security mechanisms, have
high tech you know, secure data for your manufacturing and
your and your people so you don't not losing intellectual property,
and you have an advanced economy. These are all things

(33:10):
that we should be investing in. Now.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
What they're fighting is our core values. They're fighting our
free speech, they're fighting our freedom of religion. These are
all things. But we brought down the Soviet Union, and
you say, this is what we need to work with China.
We led with our principles based on our four freedoms.
That was a key to it. The people kind of
rose up in the Soviet Union said look, we kind

(33:33):
of like this, We kind of like you for freedoms.
We kind of liked that idea. We rebuilt our infrastructure,
we helped them protected with our innovation, and we built
an international order. We did a lot of different things
to help to bring down the Soviet Union, and China's
in almost the same position, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
They absolutely are. You know, we tore down the US
information datacy, which was usually designed to spread our democratic
principles and values. Now we have the US Agency for
Global Media. You know, half the time they're spreading the
propaganda of Tehran, of raijingg of Mostout, and of Yang.
So it's really about. We have to recapture that ideological

(34:19):
battle space that we were in during the Cold War
and begin to project democratic principles and our values in
the international sphere, because that's what those countries are doing
to us.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
The General Palter, what you're saying is, we can't restrict
our knowledgeability in our work just to military. We've got
to do what they're doing. We've got to affect the economy.
We've got to affect diplomacy, technology, education, and infrastructure. We've
got to play. We've got to turn the tables on them,
except do it better and show them what can happen

(34:53):
if they decide to give freedom to people.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's exactly right. You know, we've been engaging the Communist
Party trying to reason with them, when all along we
should have been engaging the people. Show him how it's
how much it's better in terms of economics and prosperity
and freedom to live in a free country. And we've
been giving all the benefits of a free country to
the Communist Party hoping that we would change their mind.

(35:17):
What we need to do is restrict it from them
and appeal to the Chinese Communist Party and see see
how these people are essentially subjugating you, taking your freedoms.
It's not a better place to live, it's not a
better place to be, and really allowing them to make
the decision with regard to their future.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
We need to change. And I'll give you a quote.
I think you'll like this. We need to show them
not an example of our power, but the power of
our example.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think that's such a good way of putting it.
You know, it really is about the fact that, you know,
we have a democracy, we have rule of law, we
have civil rights, we have humans, we have human rights,
we have free trade. All these things go in together
to make a very powerful system. The problem is we've

(36:10):
allowed it to be stolen from us. You know, our
very heritage to be stolen. It's time to basically protect
it for the American people and and for you know,
those who will come.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
After they don't they need to get rid of our
history because if you look at our history and what
made this country great, you look at the fact that
we are the economic engine of the world because of
our free entrepreneurialship, because of our capitalism. That's the power
of our example that we've given to the rest of
the world. We aren't doing it at the end of

(36:43):
a gun. You're a military man. You don't want to
use the power of the gun. You don't want to
use the power of explosives. You want to use the power.
You want it to be used for peaceful weaponry, to
keep us safe and keep us alive, and keep us well.
The mill terry should be the last example, and especially
to use on our people. They are using it on

(37:05):
anything that they can if they feel like they have
a superior position. We don't. We don't function that way.
You use the power of our example. That's the difference,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
It really is. It's the power of our constitution. You
know the document that I rose, my raise, my.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Right arm right, you took it, oh to that constitution, right.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
It is really the symbol of our greatness. That's it's
it's it's what may makes America unique. It's it's a
nation of ideas. It's a nation of people of independent,
free taking people that you know, really live in the
best way that that a system should be designed to
allow for the people to reach their potential.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Are you saying there's supposedly another virus coming combination of
the stars and HIV. Are we going to be able
to withstand this. I mean, looking at what's going on
and the fact that so many people are acquiescing. I
believe that the country is going to open up because
the people are demanding it to open up. Shutting down

(38:08):
people's businesses is against the constitution.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well yeah, and I think what we've allowed is these
very large corporations like Walmart and Amazon to really still
march on the small business owners around the country. And
really we're punishing the small business owners who has been
the typically where new jobs have come from. So we
need to open back up so that they can continue
to live the American dream. That's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
The sad thing is, I say, one hundred thousand businesses
may not be able to reopen, and that's sad. These
are people who have invested everything they had into the
American dream and watching and dissipate. This is really sad.
But I believe in our strength. I believe that we
can come back, don't you.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I absolutely do. You know. I have faith in this country.
I have faith in the Constitution. That's why I wrote
the book, and that's why I continue to talk about
this every single day.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Nobody has explained it better than you, and they need
more people who follow your lead and your direction. Because
I wanted to ask you a question. I know it's
kind of a silly question. Your knowledge of Mandarin. Has
that been helpful? I'm sure it has, and in what way.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It really has? You know, I lived in China for
you know, almost three years, and my ability to interact,
to have conversations, to really understand how they think and
really you know, what's going on there. I think it's
been very helpful for me and understanding kind of both
what it's like to live as a Chinese subject. I

(39:40):
will I won't call them a citizen because of the
subject to the Chinese Commist Party, and then also to
understand how the Communist Party does what they do. They're
not you know, it's not ancient Chinese. It's full blown communism.
And if you understand that and you know it for
the evil that it is, then you can deal with it.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
And you can. I'm sure that you Gardner a lot
of respect for speaking Mandarin.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I did, you know, and and a lot of personal conversations.
You know, I love the Chinese people, you know, I
thought it was a great place to be, you know,
in terms of the people themselves. You know, they're they're
like people everywhere. They're just they're they're living in a communist,
you know, totalityarian regime.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
My wife found in China, when you get out into
the small village, as she said, people are entirely different
than they are in the cities. They're very open, they're welcoming,
and they was the thing that got her was that
they would feel her hair, because they'd never felt the
hair of anybody who had hair like Caucasian versus the
Chinese hair. And the little kids would come up and

(40:43):
then she'd feel theirs. And they got to kick out
of that. And they were very open and welcome. They
are wonderful people. It's just that they have such an
oppressive government. They will overthrow it someday. Someday they will
overthrow it. And I believe that the Chinese leaders know that,
and they're very fearful of that. They got rid of
mouse Tongue, They're gonna get rid of even what they

(41:05):
have right now and probably become one of the most
prosperous nations in the world and become one of the
best nations if they can get rid of the thuggery
that has taken them over and subjugated them.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's so true, so very true.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Thank you for all the work you're doing. Keep up
the work, keep telling the truth, that's all you know
how to do. And good luck on the book Steltz War,
How China took over while America's the League slept. We
need more leaders like you, General Spaulding. You're fabulous.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
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