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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
We're talking with this morning, this afternoon, this evening, wherever
you're listening with Coolay and Rowling at the age of eleven.
At the age of eleven, now she knew what she
wanted to be. She wanted to be an FBI agent.
She loved the FBI. She wanted to be part of it,
the largest and most effective police agency in the world.
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That day came January nineteen eighty one. She was in
the New York Italian Sicilian Organized Crime Heroin Task Force.
I''m sure she probably worked with prosecutors like Rudy Giuliani
Beck during that time, because he did a lot to
clean up. In nineteen nine, she became chief Division Council
for the Minneapolis office. Two thousand and one. Wow, she
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gave details May of two thousand and one. Now gather
this these numbers May two thousand and one details of
lapses about Zirkaras Mussawi and the nine to eleven plot.
She told them the entire nine to eleven plot in
May of two thousand and one. Now, when did this happen.
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It was September she told them about. In May two
thousand and two, she testified for Congress concerning problems of
the intelligence community. Two thousand and three, she warned the
director of the dangers of an Iraq invasion. ERAQ didn't
have anything to do with nine to eleven of Saudi Arabia.
It was al Qaeda and others. She resigned her dream
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job in December two Colleenroly dot com Patriot Colleenroly dot com.
In December two thousand and two, she was named a
Person of the Year by Time magazine, along with Cynthia
Cooper and Sharon Watkins Person of the Year. This being
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a whistleblower came at a huge personal personal price. The
price was huge, as it did to Edward Snowden, as
it did to others. The price it's paid for telling
the truth. You never get back. Where do I go back?
Go to get my reputation back? Where do I go
to get my job back? There's nowhere to go because
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of the control of the deep state. You saw it firsthand.
You wrote a letter that was just absolutely incredible. But
the CIA actually knew more as their agents had been
monitoring the meetings and developments of key al Qaeda figures
for a couple of years prior. They kept their intelligence
secret even from counterintelligence agency. They hid the fact from
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the FBI. The director of the CIA, George ted had
been brief with the fundamental Learned Fundamentalist learns to Fly
PowerPoint weeks before the attacks. Cover up ensued on nine
to eleven. The truth, the fight, flight, accountability, and even
lie in order institute predetermined agenda's successive wars in the
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Middle East followed. Afghanistan, Iraq took the lives of millions.
This is manipulated by propaganda. Our human emotional vulnerabilities to hate, fear, greed,
false pride, blind loyalty make the most of people totally
ignorant of facts and history, taking in as to where
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we are today on the brink of World War three.
This was so important, wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Coleeen Absolutely, And can I make just a couple of
tiny corrections you want to do?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, okay, so one thing I will just add clarify. Yes,
I did work with Rudy Giuliani in New York on
the mafia cases.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, absolutely did.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There were, of course, many other prosecutors that worked for
Julianni and we had a series of prosecutions against the
four families that were left in New York, as well
as the Commission, which was the bosses of all of
the families right in late nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So that's one thing I wanted to add.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And then the other thing I was going to just
clarify is my memo was written in May of two
thousand and two, after nine to eleven had occurred, and
it was written because of the cover up, the cover
up that ensued after nine to eleven. And by the way,
it was almost top down because Dick Cheney fought tooth
and nail to even have the Joint and Tell Legence Committee.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So you had months and months go by after.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
The attacks, and all of them Washington DC hierarchy, including
Robert Muller, the director of the FBI, were saying things like,
we never could have prevented nine to eleven. We didn't
have the intelligence. Some of them were saying there was
too much intelligence.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
And we couldn't read it. We couldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's like a fire hose, and you can't get a
drink from a fire hose. There were different excuses being made,
but The bottom line was nine to eleven was not
possible to prevent. That was the underlying cover up.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And then there was it possible to prevent. You gave
them all the information about They knew the pilots, they
knew where they were training. They did lose two of
the pilots. They don't know where they went. But you
gave them all the information, and they kept with this
false narrative. It was impossible to prevent. That's absolutely to
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the American public.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Even uh.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You mentioned George Tennant who was then the Director of
Central Intelligence, and he and U and the others in
the CIA had been monitoring the El Kada since their
important meeting in Kuala Lumpur almost two years before the
nine to eleven attacks. That's when the plan dan in
Kuala Lumpur and all of these El Kada pilots and
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and whatever were there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
The CIA monitored it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They had photos, they had everything, and they not only
refused to tell the FBI when two of the hijackers
suspects had come into California, they not only refused to
tell the FBI about it, they did not even tell
that the so called terrorism Czar Richard clarkt Tenant.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And Clark were closely collaborating.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They claimed that they were speaking to each other several
times a day.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
With this flood of intelligence during the summer of.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Nine to eleven, and afterwards, Richard Clark says, why didn't
he tell us? Why didn't he tell me that they
were had these two El Kada suspects in California and
those suspects were there under their true names, so it
was not hard if anyone had been told, they could
have found them.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So there's there's many other ways.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That's just one way nine to eleven could have been prevented,
but there's a there's at least two or three other ways,
one of which is the one I knew about, which
was the Musawi case in Minneapolis, and he was a
El Kada associate who was attempting to learn how to
fly a big airliner jet and he was He was
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the most suspicious flight student that the flight school had
ever seen and didn't care.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
About landing at all, did they They only wanted to
know how to fly right one tip.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And then have a private pilot's license. Stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There's a lot of different reasons why the flight instructors
were so suspicious.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
But here's what happened. Two of the flight.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Instructors were so afraid of what could happen with Musawi
learning how to fly a big jet that they both
independently went against their own airlines, the airlines, and they
called independently to the FBI offices.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
They both called to separate offices, and.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So what on September excuse me, yet, August August sixteenth,
two thousand and one, the FBI learned about the fact
that there were, you know, fundamentalists, extremists trying to learn
how to fly on a completely independent level. One of
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the agents in Phoenix had learned the same thing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
So literally after my over.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At Scottsdale Airpark, right, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And so you think about it, all this information was
covered up after nine to eleven, and even when they
tried to have the first congressional inquiry the Joint Intelligence
Committee they have by the way, these these people on
the intelligence committees all have top secret clearance and they
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when even they tried to ask questions, they were stopped. No, no,
we can't talk about that. That's that's going to be
giving in to the terrorists if we find out that
we could have prevented this because we flubbed it. They
tried to make it seem like you were on the
side of that, even Congress by trying to look at
what went wrong, that they were.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
On the side of the terrace. If you can believe
that they were threatened.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Actually some of the what's his name, the one senator
from Florida, he's long gone now, but he tried to
look into the Saudi connection, and he was actually threatened
himself for.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Looking into the Saudi connection. He later wrote a book
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All they all were from Saudi Arabia. Were there anybody
in any of those planes from Iraq? No? No, no,
So we attacked Iraq. That made no sense at all.
And you talked about that, you said, that's going to
open up a floodgate of bringing actually enforced al Kaeda,
which it did increase the terrorist threat in the US.
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Now we've got the borders open, so we have an
even greater threat in the US. We have a fifth
column in the US right now. Due to the lack
of intelligence being forwarded during the nine to eleven This
is all going back to there. The intelligence agencies were
clearly broken at that point, weren't they.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Absolutely Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
They were of Saudi origin.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And then there were four more Ata for instance, who
was considered kind of a ringleader. He was Egyptian, and
there were three others, but most of them were Saudi.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I don't believe any none were Iraqi, and I don't
think any were Afghan So, I mean, here, we go
to war initially on Afghanistan, none of the none of
the pilots or the the hijackers were afghan and then
secondly we go to we go.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
To war on Iraq, and none of them are Iraqi.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The propaganda was so effective that they got seventy percent
of the American public to believe that Saddam Hussein, who
was the head of Iraq, was behind nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They also got people had weapons of mass destruction, in
which he didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
That's that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's it's amazing what when it's spewed out of our
main mainstream airwaves. It's just amazing that you can get
people to practically believe the opposite of the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's at to keep the FBI intact and functioning. Persistent
calls for drastic restructuring. You may have clear that the
FBI's prayer perilously close to being divided up, depending upon
slowly the good graces of Attorney General Ashcroft and President
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Bush for its continuing existence. It needed to be changed,
needed to be changed in the worst way. As part
of the letter that you wrote to.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
FBI Director Mueller, Yes, the reforms in the FBI were
kind of superficial. They did try to improve their computer system,
that was one of them, but even that was flobbed.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
They spent millions and millions.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Of taxpayer dollars and then had to start all over
from scratch, after wasting millions of dollars in taxpayer money
to try to.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Reform the FBI's computer system.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That yeah, no, that happened.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That happened in the year or two after nine to eleven.
And the reason was Mueller. Well, he wasn't wrong. He
did point to the fact that the FBI had an
archaic computer system. That was that was right, But then
he didn't tell the truth about the thing. You know,
these officials that, for instance, claimed that they never read
the memos.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
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memo that you wrote to Robert Mueller. This is an
exercise in it was really remarkable. A lot of restraint
was in that memo because I know what you wanted
to say, but you didn't. You were respectful. Number One,
the FBI, apparently the source for the public statement that
there are five thousand al Kaeda terrorists already in the US.
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Ask you to inquire whether this figure is based on
any hard data. Wasn't based on any hard data? I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, there weren't even five thousand in Afghanistan, let alone
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
No, there weren't they.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Now they admit, the intelligence experts admit that there might
have been a couple hundred or something.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
It wasn't. And these are.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
People who are even more loosely affiliated, not people like
hardcore operatives. So it wasn't nearly that many. But what
happened with starting these wars it allowed the terrorist extremist
groups like isis l Nusra in Syria, because when you
start a war, what happens is that that extremist group
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is able to recruit, and so yes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Gave them are direct route to have a number two
is the FBI evidence was what is the FBI evidence
respect to a connection between al Qaeda and Iraq? There
was none? Was there none? This was a war that
George W. Bush just wanted to have because they disrespected
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his daddy. He said that at one point.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I think Bush actually hung up on his father once
when his father tried to dissuade him from this propaganda
launching of war.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
But everyone, I will say most of people in the.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
United States has taken all this time to realize.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
That they were lied.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They don't think this about Ukraine and other wars, but
they do think it about Iraq. They now understand that, yes,
this was a series of lies that were launched in August.
They said, well, we launched the propaganda in August. They
actually said this, And they started with Condy Rice claiming
there'd be a mushroom, crook cloud Genie. Genie was trying
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to connect Saddam and Alcada with a Saddam in Iraq.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
There was a whole series.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Scooter Libby leaked it to The New York Times that
they were getting aluminum tubes to.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Make into a nuclear weapons on it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And you know, the Colon Powell and everybody else testifying
that yes, they had weapons, right.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Exactly. Colin Paul was the icing on the cake.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was in touch with some really top level reporters.
One of us was a sixty minute guy. He's still
on sixty minutes, he's still well known, and he admitted
to me that the media wasn't entirely convinced.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Like in December of two thousand and two, it was
fifty to fifty that the media said, oh, we got
to go to war with Iraq.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But what happened was Rumsfield assistant Victoria Clark. She put
out a three hundred page plan to embed the media
with the with the military, and when she did that,
they leaked it to the top heads of our military.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Excuse me, of our media. The media heads.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
There's only like a half a dozen that they had
to worry about. But they gave it to them in January,
so at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They controlled the media. They want you want to be
you want being beedded, then you've played ball with us
otherwise on the side, Oh my god, all in January.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In February, the whole thing tipped over and turned into
this war fever on the part of the mainstream media
who then sold it full boat to the American public.
That's how you get seventy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Thing they're doing with the COVID, same thing we keep seeing,
how they lie, cover up, lie, cover up. This is
this is a pattern that they're we're doing because it
works so well then.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Didn't Yes, they learn from no accountability. So when they're
able to pull off these six well you know what
this is? This is I think it was Carl Rove.
He said, you know what, we can make our own reality. Now,
we don't have to worry about facts. And you know,
it worked with Iraq. And even though it years later,
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even though you know, decades later, people now know the
truth that we were led into Iraq. They don't connect
it to these other lies that are going on.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Conect well immediately, to the other ones, to the COVID,
to everything else. Colin will be right back after these words.
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Speaker 2 (20:53):
We're talking with Colleen. Third part of your letter. If,
as you said, the prevention of another terrorist attack remains
the FBI's top priority, why is it we haven't attempted
to interview Zacharismassawi, the only suspect in the US custody
charged with having a direct hand in the horror of
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nine to eleven. Why didn't they? Why didn't they? Colleen?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, well I can tell you why. It's we never
were told at the time. At the time Ashcroft had
decided to put the death penalty on Musawi, he was
unsuccessful in getting the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He got life in prison instead.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But the reason that was Ashcroft's pet project was to
restore the death penalty. Now, if you want to get
information from a and they call it flipping, So if
you're going if you catch, if you catch someone who
knows a lot of information, you know, typically this is
what you do in intelligence work.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Dead men tell no tales. You got to give him
something to bargain with for him to flip, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And you know the millennial bomber who was coming to
bomb the Los Angeles airport, they were able. They of
course they didn't say we're going to put you know,
give you the death penalty, but they talked to him.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
They got a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Of information from his name was Russ Sam I think.
But when they talked to him, they got all this information.
This happened over and over.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well what happened if he was dead now? Ted Thunderson,
who's head of the LA Office of the FBI. Ted
said that they had a bombing attempt on the World
Trade Center a couple of years before the planes hit it,
and the FBI actually were embedded and gave them the
bomb to put there. I mean, it's an incredible interview
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I had with Ted. Now Number four, it's not clear
that you've been adequately apprized, mister Mueller. It's written too
of potential damage to the Leys on relationships with European intelligence.
In other words, are you dealing with European intelligence or not?
Because likely to flow from the growing tension over Iraq
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between US senior officials, their counterparts, and key West European countries.
Far more Al Qaeda operatives in Europe than the US
European intelligence services, including the French, or on the front
line of investigating pursuing them. Europeans have successfully gathered that
word she uses, successfully uncovered, dismantled a number of active
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sales in their country. In other words, let's look at
the Europeans, see what they're doing. They've got better contacts,
but we want to do it all by ourselves. And
now what you want to do, mister Mueller. Number five,
The FBI is no longer or certainly no longer in
charge of regulating their color codes, but I suspect we'll
still have input. I realized decisions change color codes are
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made at most senior levels. You can caution senior officials
about the downside alarming the public unless there's adequate reason
to do so. Color codes always seem dumb to me.
They seemed dumb to you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Didn't the color code was served a purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It served a purpose to increase the hysteria right and
make everybody so people became like, you know, jello in words.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So this is when you want to make your own reality.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh we're so afraid. We got to be afraid. Today
color code is read, Oh god, it's orange. What does
that mean? That means you get popsicles? You get orange
pops okay. Number six, The majority of one thousand plus
persons detained in the wake of nine to eleven didn't
turn out to be terrorists. They were illegal aliens. I mean,
this is insane, as you Number seven, as I believe
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you know, I have a reputation being quite conservative on
legal policy issues concerning law enforcement. I've complained loudly on
occasion that some of our laws and procedures have, unnecessarily,
I view, hindered our ability to move boldly against crime.
Same thing today. And number eight, I believe the FBI,
and drawing on the perspective gained from its recent history,
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can make a unique contribution to discussion on our wreck.
Misadventures in Waco took place well before your time as director,
mister Mueler, But you'll probably recall that David Koresh exerted
the same kind of oppressive control over members of the
branch Davidian as Saddam Hussein does over the Iraqis what
you're saying there is wake up. Can't you learn from
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your past mistakes? That's what you're telling them, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that's what I was trying.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I kind of threw the uh, the.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Whole kitchen sink into this these arguments. But you know, this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Letter should be read by everyone in Congress. They should
be using this as a blueprint to bring the FBI
and the CIA, all the deep state organizations back. How However,
I'd like to think back, and I think one of
the reasons that John F. Kennedy was killed was because
he wanted to get rid of the CIA. After the
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Bay of Pigs. He wanted to dismantle the deep state.
And it looks like when you go after them, they
certainly go after you, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, More and more evidence points to the fact that
the CIA got even with Rober John F.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Kennedy and they Schumart just recently said this. You know,
he says, if you he said this to Warren Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know, he was saying, you know, Trump tries to
go against the CIA. They have every way to Sunday
to get back at you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, they said, the hell will rain down upon you.
And the other the other thing was I had a
conversation and now I don't think he was one that
you talked with with Bill Banano, and though you know
Bill Banano and Joe Banano. And he said that the
Kennedy assassination, the call for the Kennedy assassination was made
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by the c i A given to Sam g Andcanna,
and the person who fired the shot fired from the sewer.
And I said, how do you know that? He said,
I was in prison in sam Pedro with this guy
who fired the shot that killed Kennedy. So the shot
that killed Kennedy, he said, came from the ci A.
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And there was one person who stood out in front
of the book depository in Dallas who said he didn't
know where he was at the time, but there's a
picture of him standing there the day Kennedy was assassinated
George Herbert Walker Bush, director of what the ci A incredible.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, well, there's there's sure.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Trusted trusted mister Banana. He was very found him being
an honorable person. I know he was a mobster, but
he told the truth. He is very honorable. I really
ended up liking him as a person. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My one of my colleagues interviewed and with Rudy Giuliani,
interviewed Joseph Banano about the Commission case, right, and they
had to go to his hospital or his his nursing
home Rome or wherever he was at the time. And
that's why there were only four powerful families left in
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New York. Moved they had after they had the one
in undercover operation inside the Banana family with Pistone, they
had had lost their power in New York City and
they'd moved on. So anyway, you're you're right though that
there's a lot of questions and a lot a lot
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of murkiness to the and a lot of good reason.
I mean, there's a lot of evidence that points to
motive on the part of the of the c i A.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Because John F.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Kennedy just like I mean, there's been Trump and there's
been others when they rock the boat. If an official
starts or even immediate personality starts to rock the boat,
guess what the powers that shouldn't be I call it
the powers that shouldn't be instead of the powers that be,
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the powers that shouldn't be, they usually develop good plans
to take that person out. Okay, go, you can even
go back to Jaeger Hoover and Martin Luther King, Martin
Luther King, and this is playing out today. When Hoover
got the blackmail on Martin Luther King Junior, he then
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tries to get Martin Luther King to commit suicide by
saying that they're threatening to leak the tapes of the
hotel rooms.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Guess what all that kind of thing that happened that a.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Lot of the liberals have actually forgotten about, because when
you fast forward to today, that same type of blackmailing
and use of sexual sexual blackmail is being used right
now on on a on uh Russell Brand. Okay, so
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Russell Brand, you may or may not like him, but
you know what, it's the same exact same type of
takedown using his past actions. You know from twenty some
years ago that JEdgar Hoover was trying to And by
the way, Hoover didn't use this just on Martin Luther King.
He used it on all and it didn't work on
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Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King didn't did not succumb
to it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
But even Jaegar Hoover. Well, I talk to Banano. He said,
we what do you have on Hoover. They didn't accept
that there was a mafia. He said, we had pictures
of him and address. They were owned by Roy Cohen.
He's seen them in Roy Cohen's file. And of course
at that time, I said, they look better than Attorney General.
(31:04):
I forgot where her name was, and he said, I
can't talk about that. She's still Attorney general. But they
had they had evidence on him, and then they gave
him horses that would win at the track. So him
and his lubber told us and could go bet and
then get the winners, right, So he wasn't. I mean,
those who live in glass houses really shouldn't be throwing stones.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
That's you know. The hypocrisy is just jaw dropping that
you can't when you say you couldn't write this up if.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You were, you could not mention writer.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You could not make this up because it's just the
truth is stranger than fiction. Hoover, if Colin had this,
that's possible. In fact, Roy Kohen died of AIDS and
he was well known. In fact, we heard on the
other end from certain mafia figures that they didn't want
to even sit in the same like restaurant table as
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as Colin because they knew, they knew his background. They
knew he was, you know it was almost a pedophile
and everything else, so they didn't you know, they didn't
like that. They liked him as an attorney because he
was always getting them off and whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So they liked that party was complete sleeve.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I he really was, Yeah, and they didn't want to
even be seen close close with him. So, you know what,
it's possible Cone would have moved in some of the
same circles as JEdgar Hoover.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It's definitely possible.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
But Hoover was You know, guess what there is in
the criminal world.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It's something called projection. And you see this over and over.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
When you yourself, uh are able, you yourself know because you're
part of it, you then projected on others.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Look look at surper code. That's a good example the
movie A production right where he was undercover so much
and the whole thing happens, But this happens with a
lot of police and a lot of people. Let me
ask you, we've got how can we change the three
letters agencies, FBI, NSA. Look at what happened to Bill Benny?
(33:14):
What happened to you? What happened to others? What about
of whistle blowers? You have no protection? How did you
come through this personally, Colleen? Because I know this was
a horrible thing for you to go through. You were
under a pressure cooker, weren't you?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Hun Well, the good news is I was one of
the first, you know, whistle blowing after Daniel Ellsberg, when
the Supreme Court held that the press could not stop
information from being published if even if it was classified,
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even if it was the Pentagon papers. That was a
very very important Supreme Court case. And so for a
long time after the Vietnam War, it was believed that
there that whistleblowers, for instance, would not be not only
whistleblowers would not be prosecuted, but newless publishers would not
be prosecuted. And I was lucky, lucky enough to be
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right at the start of this right before, for instance,
Obama he said, okay, he promised he wouldn't to prosecute whistleblowers,
and then he went after six or seven whistleblower government
whistle blowers. But I was before that, and I had
the Joint Intelligence Committee that got my memo was written
to them.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
My memo was written to people with top secret clearances.
Then then I was lucky enough to get four senators.
That's what it took.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It took four really really well respected, well ingrained senior senators.
They were Grassley, Chuck, Grassley Leahy, they were both the
heads of the Judiciary, and our two Minnesota senators, Dayton
and Wellstone. All four of them wrote to Ashcroft within
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days of my memo and said, you can't fire her.
Ashcroft apparently did want to fire me just for writing
that memo, just for doing that. I mean, maybe not
be put me in prison for the rest of my
life like Assange. But at that time there was talk
of firing me. And so it took these four senators.
It took the Agent's Association came on my side, and
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so I did get some support early on. Now what
happened is when I wrote the memo when there was
already war fever to start war in Iraq, and I
wrote the memo about the problems with that, that it
wasn't true that Saddam was connected.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
To LKDA, etc. Then even the agents turned against me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, this was incredible. They turned against you. But
did you ever think you did the wrong thing?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You always knew you did what was right, what was
better for America. And that's what's important. You knew in
your heart what you did was right, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, you know there's something about if you if you
know yourself, that you have a chance to get some
truth out and you just keep your mouth shut and.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Go along with it. In a way, it kind of
it hurts your soul in a way.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And after that you see people in the military who
witness war crimes and they have to keep their mouths shut.
These are a lot of these people are the same
ones committing suicide later on, because it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Just is so harmful, even to yourself. It's kind of
like a moral.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's a moral injury to yourself if you're complicit with
a crime.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Can't we need to take a proot right now, Colleen,
But you absolutely can't, Thank you. We'll be right with
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want to talk with Colleen Roley about freedom of speech.
It was so interesting talking about censorship when Robert Kennedy
was there and they censored him. They wanted to go
in the back room and talk about censorship. This is
(38:07):
not This is how far our country's gone, Colleen.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They call it misinformation, but they're the one censoring uh,
actual truth, truthful, accurate information. Even things that are in
published medical studies now are censored and or their shadow
band and all of the social media is working with
government agencies. It's pretty incredible. You asked one time, what
(38:35):
can we do to fix it? Well, one of the
basic things.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
To fix it is to get back to.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Some freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of press.
When you have your journalists who are now afraid that
they're going to be put in prison for the rest
of their life, like as songe and wiki leaks, you
know what, they're going to Taylor what they write, and
they're gonna they're gonna basically copy the government uh press
places and always adopt the narrative. That what is called
(39:03):
the narrative, which is making their own reality.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Our whole government, our founding fathers.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
And this even goes back to the British government was
based on justice, was based on the adversary system, and
the adversary system has its flaws.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
However, it's based you can't just listen to one side
of something. It's based on this jury of ordinary people
listening to both sides. And if you're going to quash dissent,
like Robert Kennedy, you know, you can't hear a word
about how the so called you know, injection, they call
(39:41):
it a vaccine, but it's not. If you can't hear,
if you're not allowed, if that's completely censored in the
United States, that you can't know about myo karditis that's
killing people suddenly, for instance, you can't. I just had
a couple of friends of friends that died and they
were in their forties for no reason. They were good shape.
So this is happening. We're all over. However it's censored
(40:04):
and uh wiki leaks and Assange is facing life in prison.
He could be extradited any day to the United States.
We are we're siding with the Australians. Now there's a
delegation of by the way, a politically diverse right left
(40:24):
in all stripes.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
They're all different political parties.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But they're they're actually Australian MPs that are coming over
here and they're going to try to talk some sense
into the Department of Justice and into uh, you know,
congressional representatives, because we're giving up our own constitutional rights
at this point, it's not going to end well, it's
(40:50):
not going to end well.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You can't even get at the.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Truth if you're only going to be allowed to hear
one side of it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I've got to do it. I've got to do a
quote that you gave and I thought it was just
absolutely sums it all up. Civilizations fall from internal decay,
not external assault. That is so important to know. Civilizations
fall from internal decay, not external assault. That's what we
have right now. Internal decay, isn't it Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
They empires wrought from the inside.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And luckily enough some Australian MP's have figured this out
and they're coming over here to try to talk. They're
going to arrive in Washington, DC tomorrow, and we've been
telling our own Minnesota senators and stuff to meet them.
That probably won't happen because our representatives they're so brainwashed
by all of this, but that's what everybody should.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
It's one of the fixes is to get freedom of
speech and freedom of press back.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That would be a good start if we could get
that Robert Kennedy was allowed to tell the truth about
COVID and other things that would be a start, right.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
He had the courage to stand up and tell the
truth about it, And they tried to shut him up
in the middle of Congress, and they tried to hold
a closed door session on censorship. That doesn't tell at all.
What does? And Robert Kennedy has the courage to they
all shut him up. They don't want him to debate.
You noticed that, didn't you. No, they don't want him talking. No, no, no,
(42:21):
stay away from Robert Kennedy. Yeah, because he's telling the truth.
The truth will set you free. But you've got to
be able to get the truth out. You found that out,
didn't you.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And Biden is still keeping the assassination record secret after
all this time about Kennedy's uncle. I mean, that's absolutely
you know again, you could write this if you were
the most imaginative fiction writer. It's so bad, and yet
it seemingly works pretty well because we're barraged by so
(42:52):
much mainstream and now social media propaganda.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
For more information, go to Colleen rolei rowl Ey dot com. Colleen,
thank you for being on You are absolutely incredible. You
are a very seldom you talk to a real odes
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to America and to the world. Thank you for being you,
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and thank you for standing tall, standing strong.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
God bless you, Colleen, and thank you too for getting
the word out.
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We're talking with this morning, this afternoon, this evening, wherever
you're listening with Coolay and Rowling at the age of eleven.
At the age of eleven, now she knew what she
wanted to be. She wanted to be an FBI agent.
She loved the FBI. She wanted to be part of it,
the largest and most effective police agency in the world.
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That day came January nineteen eighty one. She was in
the New York Italian Sicilian Organized Crime Heroin Task Force.
I''m sure she probably worked with prosecutors like Rudy Giuliani
Beck during that time, because he did a lot to
clean up. In nineteen nine, she became chief Division Council
for the Minneapolis office. Two thousand and one. Wow, she
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gave details May of two thousand and one. Now gather
this these numbers May two thousand and one details of
lapses about Zirkaras Mussawi and the nine to eleven plot.
She told them the entire nine to eleven plot in
May of two thousand and one. Now, when did this happen.
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It was September she told them about. In May two
thousand and two, she testified for Congress concerning problems of
the intelligence community. Two thousand and three, she warned the
director of the dangers of an Iraq invasion. ERAQ didn't
have anything to do with nine to eleven of Saudi Arabia.
It was al Qaeda and others. She resigned her dream
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job in December two Colleenroly dot com Patriot Colleenroly dot com.
In December two thousand and two, she was named a
Person of the Year by Time magazine, along with Cynthia
Cooper and Sharon Watkins Person of the Year. This being
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a whistleblower came at a huge personal personal price. The
price was huge, as it did to Edward Snowden, as
it did to others. The price it's paid for telling
the truth. You never get back. Where do I go back?
Go to get my reputation back? Where do I go
to get my job back? There's nowhere to go because
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of the control of the deep state. You saw it firsthand.
You wrote a letter that was just absolutely incredible. But
the CIA actually knew more as their agents had been
monitoring the meetings and developments of key al Qaeda figures
for a couple of years prior. They kept their intelligence
secret even from counterintelligence agency. They hid the fact from
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the FBI. The director of the CIA, George ted had
been brief with the fundamental Learned Fundamentalist learns to Fly
PowerPoint weeks before the attacks. Cover up ensued on nine
to eleven. The truth, the fight, flight, accountability, and even
lie in order institute predetermined agenda's successive wars in the
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Middle East followed. Afghanistan, Iraq took the lives of millions.
This is manipulated by propaganda. Our human emotional vulnerabilities to hate, fear, greed,
false pride, blind loyalty make the most of people totally
ignorant of facts and history, taking in as to where
(03:47):
we are today on the brink of World War three.
This was so important, wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Coleeen Absolutely, And can I make just a couple of
tiny corrections you want to do?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, okay, so one thing I will just add clarify. Yes,
I did work with Rudy Giuliani in New York on
the mafia cases.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, absolutely did.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There were, of course, many other prosecutors that worked for
Julianni and we had a series of prosecutions against the
four families that were left in New York, as well
as the Commission, which was the bosses of all of
the families right in late nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So that's one thing I wanted to add.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And then the other thing I was going to just
clarify is my memo was written in May of two
thousand and two, after nine to eleven had occurred, and
it was written because of the cover up, the cover
up that ensued after nine to eleven. And by the way,
it was almost top down because Dick Cheney fought tooth
and nail to even have the Joint and Tell Legence Committee.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So you had months and months go by after.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
The attacks, and all of them Washington DC hierarchy, including
Robert Muller, the director of the FBI, were saying things like,
we never could have prevented nine to eleven. We didn't
have the intelligence. Some of them were saying there was
too much intelligence.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
And we couldn't read it. We couldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's like a fire hose, and you can't get a
drink from a fire hose. There were different excuses being made,
but The bottom line was nine to eleven was not
possible to prevent. That was the underlying cover up.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And then there was it possible to prevent. You gave
them all the information about They knew the pilots, they
knew where they were training. They did lose two of
the pilots. They don't know where they went. But you
gave them all the information, and they kept with this
false narrative. It was impossible to prevent. That's absolutely to
(06:01):
the American public.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Even uh.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You mentioned George Tennant who was then the Director of
Central Intelligence, and he and U and the others in
the CIA had been monitoring the El Kada since their
important meeting in Kuala Lumpur almost two years before the
nine to eleven attacks. That's when the plan dan in
Kuala Lumpur and all of these El Kada pilots and
(06:27):
and whatever were there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
The CIA monitored it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They had photos, they had everything, and they not only
refused to tell the FBI when two of the hijackers
suspects had come into California, they not only refused to
tell the FBI about it, they did not even tell
that the so called terrorism Czar Richard clarkt Tenant.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And Clark were closely collaborating.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They claimed that they were speaking to each other several
times a day.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
With this flood of intelligence during the summer of.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Nine to eleven, and afterwards, Richard Clark says, why didn't
he tell us? Why didn't he tell me that they
were had these two El Kada suspects in California and
those suspects were there under their true names, so it
was not hard if anyone had been told, they could
have found them.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So there's there's many other ways.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That's just one way nine to eleven could have been prevented,
but there's a there's at least two or three other ways,
one of which is the one I knew about, which
was the Musawi case in Minneapolis, and he was a
El Kada associate who was attempting to learn how to
fly a big airliner jet and he was He was
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the most suspicious flight student that the flight school had
ever seen and didn't care.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
About landing at all, did they They only wanted to
know how to fly right one tip.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And then have a private pilot's license. Stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There's a lot of different reasons why the flight instructors
were so suspicious.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
But here's what happened. Two of the flight.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Instructors were so afraid of what could happen with Musawi
learning how to fly a big jet that they both
independently went against their own airlines, the airlines, and they
called independently to the FBI offices.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
They both called to separate offices, and.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So what on September excuse me, yet, August August sixteenth,
two thousand and one, the FBI learned about the fact
that there were, you know, fundamentalists, extremists trying to learn
how to fly on a completely independent level. One of
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the agents in Phoenix had learned the same thing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
So literally after my over.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
At Scottsdale Airpark, right, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And so you think about it, all this information was
covered up after nine to eleven, and even when they
tried to have the first congressional inquiry the Joint Intelligence
Committee they have by the way, these these people on
the intelligence committees all have top secret clearance and they
(09:24):
when even they tried to ask questions, they were stopped. No, no,
we can't talk about that. That's that's going to be
giving in to the terrorists if we find out that
we could have prevented this because we flubbed it. They
tried to make it seem like you were on the
side of that, even Congress by trying to look at
what went wrong, that they were.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
On the side of the terrace. If you can believe
that they were threatened.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Actually some of the what's his name, the one senator
from Florida, he's long gone now, but he tried to
look into the Saudi connection, and he was actually threatened
himself for.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Looking into the Saudi connection. He later wrote a book
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All they all were from Saudi Arabia. Were there anybody
in any of those planes from Iraq? No? No, no,
So we attacked Iraq. That made no sense at all.
And you talked about that, you said, that's going to
open up a floodgate of bringing actually enforced al Kaeda,
which it did increase the terrorist threat in the US.
(10:25):
Now we've got the borders open, so we have an
even greater threat in the US. We have a fifth
column in the US right now. Due to the lack
of intelligence being forwarded during the nine to eleven This
is all going back to there. The intelligence agencies were
clearly broken at that point, weren't they.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Absolutely Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
They were of Saudi origin.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And then there were four more Ata for instance, who
was considered kind of a ringleader. He was Egyptian, and
there were three others, but most of them were Saudi.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I don't believe any none were Iraqi, and I don't
think any were Afghan So, I mean, here, we go
to war initially on Afghanistan, none of the none of
the pilots or the the hijackers were afghan and then
secondly we go to we go.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
To war on Iraq, and none of them are Iraqi.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The propaganda was so effective that they got seventy percent
of the American public to believe that Saddam Hussein, who
was the head of Iraq, was behind nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They also got people had weapons of mass destruction, in
which he didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
That's that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's it's amazing what when it's spewed out of our
main mainstream airwaves. It's just amazing that you can get
people to practically believe the opposite of the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's at to keep the FBI intact and functioning. Persistent
calls for drastic restructuring. You may have clear that the
FBI's prayer perilously close to being divided up, depending upon
slowly the good graces of Attorney General Ashcroft and President
(12:18):
Bush for its continuing existence. It needed to be changed,
needed to be changed in the worst way. As part
of the letter that you wrote to.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
FBI Director Mueller, Yes, the reforms in the FBI were
kind of superficial. They did try to improve their computer system,
that was one of them, but even that was flobbed.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
They spent millions and millions.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Of taxpayer dollars and then had to start all over
from scratch, after wasting millions of dollars in taxpayer money
to try to.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Reform the FBI's computer system.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That yeah, no, that happened.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That happened in the year or two after nine to eleven.
And the reason was Mueller. Well, he wasn't wrong. He
did point to the fact that the FBI had an
archaic computer system. That was that was right, But then
he didn't tell the truth about the thing. You know,
these officials that, for instance, claimed that they never read
the memos.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We're going to talk more about the most important memo
written by Colleen Rowley when we return. This is an
incredible story. I don't know why you haven't written a
full book about this. You should have in Gerald Bosner's
book and others would be right back with Colleen Roley
right here on Truth Express Radio. The Biden administration is
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After spending a two point one trillion dollar stimulus, the
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memo that you wrote to Robert Mueller. This is an
exercise in it was really remarkable. A lot of restraint
was in that memo because I know what you wanted
to say, but you didn't. You were respectful. Number One,
the FBI, apparently the source for the public statement that
there are five thousand al Kaeda terrorists already in the US.
(15:17):
Ask you to inquire whether this figure is based on
any hard data. Wasn't based on any hard data? I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, there weren't even five thousand in Afghanistan, let alone
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
No, there weren't they.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Now they admit, the intelligence experts admit that there might
have been a couple hundred or something.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
It wasn't. And these are.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
People who are even more loosely affiliated, not people like
hardcore operatives. So it wasn't nearly that many. But what
happened with starting these wars it allowed the terrorist extremist
groups like isis l Nusra in Syria, because when you
start a war, what happens is that that extremist group
(16:01):
is able to recruit, and so yes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Gave them are direct route to have a number two
is the FBI evidence was what is the FBI evidence
respect to a connection between al Qaeda and Iraq? There
was none? Was there none? This was a war that
George W. Bush just wanted to have because they disrespected
(16:24):
his daddy. He said that at one point.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I think Bush actually hung up on his father once
when his father tried to dissuade him from this propaganda
launching of war.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
But everyone, I will say most of people in the.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
United States has taken all this time to realize.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
That they were lied.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They don't think this about Ukraine and other wars, but
they do think it about Iraq. They now understand that, yes,
this was a series of lies that were launched in August.
They said, well, we launched the propaganda in August. They
actually said this, And they started with Condy Rice claiming
there'd be a mushroom, crook cloud Genie. Genie was trying
(17:08):
to connect Saddam and Alcada with a Saddam in Iraq.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
There was a whole series.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Scooter Libby leaked it to The New York Times that
they were getting aluminum tubes to.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Make into a nuclear weapons on it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And you know, the Colon Powell and everybody else testifying
that yes, they had weapons, right.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Exactly. Colin Paul was the icing on the cake.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was in touch with some really top level reporters.
One of us was a sixty minute guy. He's still
on sixty minutes, he's still well known, and he admitted
to me that the media wasn't entirely convinced.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Like in December of two thousand and two, it was
fifty to fifty that the media said, oh, we got
to go to war with Iraq.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But what happened was Rumsfield assistant Victoria Clark. She put
out a three hundred page plan to embed the media
with the with the military, and when she did that,
they leaked it to the top heads of our military.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Excuse me, of our media. The media heads.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
There's only like a half a dozen that they had
to worry about. But they gave it to them in January,
so at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They controlled the media. They want you want to be
you want being beedded, then you've played ball with us
otherwise on the side, Oh my god, all in January.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In February, the whole thing tipped over and turned into
this war fever on the part of the mainstream media
who then sold it full boat to the American public.
That's how you get seventy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Thing they're doing with the COVID, same thing we keep seeing,
how they lie, cover up, lie, cover up. This is
this is a pattern that they're we're doing because it
works so well then.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Didn't Yes, they learn from no accountability. So when they're
able to pull off these six well you know what
this is? This is I think it was Carl Rove.
He said, you know what, we can make our own reality. Now,
we don't have to worry about facts. And you know,
it worked with Iraq. And even though it years later,
(19:23):
even though you know, decades later, people now know the
truth that we were led into Iraq. They don't connect
it to these other lies that are going on.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Conect well immediately, to the other ones, to the COVID,
to everything else. Colin will be right back after these words.
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Speaker 2 (20:53):
We're talking with Colleen. Third part of your letter. If,
as you said, the prevention of another terrorist attack remains
the FBI's top priority, why is it we haven't attempted
to interview Zacharismassawi, the only suspect in the US custody
charged with having a direct hand in the horror of
(21:15):
nine to eleven. Why didn't they? Why didn't they? Colleen?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, well I can tell you why. It's we never
were told at the time. At the time Ashcroft had
decided to put the death penalty on Musawi, he was
unsuccessful in getting the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He got life in prison instead.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But the reason that was Ashcroft's pet project was to
restore the death penalty. Now, if you want to get
information from a and they call it flipping, So if
you're going if you catch, if you catch someone who
knows a lot of information, you know, typically this is
what you do in intelligence work.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Dead men tell no tales. You got to give him
something to bargain with for him to flip, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And you know the millennial bomber who was coming to
bomb the Los Angeles airport, they were able. They of
course they didn't say we're going to put you know,
give you the death penalty, but they talked to him.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
They got a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Of information from his name was Russ Sam I think.
But when they talked to him, they got all this information.
This happened over and over.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well what happened if he was dead now? Ted Thunderson,
who's head of the LA Office of the FBI. Ted
said that they had a bombing attempt on the World
Trade Center a couple of years before the planes hit it,
and the FBI actually were embedded and gave them the
bomb to put there. I mean, it's an incredible interview
(22:50):
I had with Ted. Now Number four, it's not clear
that you've been adequately apprized, mister Mueller. It's written too
of potential damage to the Leys on relationships with European intelligence.
In other words, are you dealing with European intelligence or not?
Because likely to flow from the growing tension over Iraq
(23:11):
between US senior officials, their counterparts, and key West European countries.
Far more Al Qaeda operatives in Europe than the US
European intelligence services, including the French, or on the front
line of investigating pursuing them. Europeans have successfully gathered that
word she uses, successfully uncovered, dismantled a number of active
(23:32):
sales in their country. In other words, let's look at
the Europeans, see what they're doing. They've got better contacts,
but we want to do it all by ourselves. And
now what you want to do, mister Mueller. Number five,
The FBI is no longer or certainly no longer in
charge of regulating their color codes, but I suspect we'll
still have input. I realized decisions change color codes are
(23:55):
made at most senior levels. You can caution senior officials
about the downside alarming the public unless there's adequate reason
to do so. Color codes always seem dumb to me.
They seemed dumb to you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Didn't the color code was served a purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It served a purpose to increase the hysteria right and
make everybody so people became like, you know, jello in words.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So this is when you want to make your own reality.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh we're so afraid. We got to be afraid. Today
color code is read, Oh god, it's orange. What does
that mean? That means you get popsicles? You get orange
pops okay. Number six, The majority of one thousand plus
persons detained in the wake of nine to eleven didn't
turn out to be terrorists. They were illegal aliens. I mean,
this is insane, as you Number seven, as I believe
(24:47):
you know, I have a reputation being quite conservative on
legal policy issues concerning law enforcement. I've complained loudly on
occasion that some of our laws and procedures have, unnecessarily,
I view, hindered our ability to move boldly against crime.
Same thing today. And number eight, I believe the FBI,
and drawing on the perspective gained from its recent history,
(25:10):
can make a unique contribution to discussion on our wreck.
Misadventures in Waco took place well before your time as director,
mister Mueler, But you'll probably recall that David Koresh exerted
the same kind of oppressive control over members of the
branch Davidian as Saddam Hussein does over the Iraqis what
you're saying there is wake up. Can't you learn from
(25:33):
your past mistakes? That's what you're telling them, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that's what I was trying.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I kind of threw the uh, the.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Whole kitchen sink into this these arguments. But you know, this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Letter should be read by everyone in Congress. They should
be using this as a blueprint to bring the FBI
and the CIA, all the deep state organizations back. How However,
I'd like to think back, and I think one of
the reasons that John F. Kennedy was killed was because
he wanted to get rid of the CIA. After the
(26:09):
Bay of Pigs. He wanted to dismantle the deep state.
And it looks like when you go after them, they
certainly go after you, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, More and more evidence points to the fact that
the CIA got even with Rober John F.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Kennedy and they Schumart just recently said this. You know,
he says, if you he said this to Warren Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know, he was saying, you know, Trump tries to
go against the CIA. They have every way to Sunday
to get back at you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, they said, the hell will rain down upon you.
And the other the other thing was I had a
conversation and now I don't think he was one that
you talked with with Bill Banano, and though you know
Bill Banano and Joe Banano. And he said that the
Kennedy assassination, the call for the Kennedy assassination was made
(27:02):
by the c i A given to Sam g Andcanna,
and the person who fired the shot fired from the sewer.
And I said, how do you know that? He said,
I was in prison in sam Pedro with this guy
who fired the shot that killed Kennedy. So the shot
that killed Kennedy, he said, came from the ci A.
(27:25):
And there was one person who stood out in front
of the book depository in Dallas who said he didn't
know where he was at the time, but there's a
picture of him standing there the day Kennedy was assassinated
George Herbert Walker Bush, director of what the ci A incredible.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, well, there's there's sure.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Trusted trusted mister Banana. He was very found him being
an honorable person. I know he was a mobster, but
he told the truth. He is very honorable. I really
ended up liking him as a person. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My one of my colleagues interviewed and with Rudy Giuliani,
interviewed Joseph Banano about the Commission case, right, and they
had to go to his hospital or his his nursing
home Rome or wherever he was at the time. And
that's why there were only four powerful families left in
(28:24):
New York. Moved they had after they had the one
in undercover operation inside the Banana family with Pistone, they
had had lost their power in New York City and
they'd moved on. So anyway, you're you're right though that
there's a lot of questions and a lot a lot
(28:46):
of murkiness to the and a lot of good reason.
I mean, there's a lot of evidence that points to
motive on the part of the of the c i A.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Because John F.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Kennedy just like I mean, there's been Trump and there's
been others when they rock the boat. If an official
starts or even immediate personality starts to rock the boat,
guess what the powers that shouldn't be I call it
the powers that shouldn't be instead of the powers that be,
(29:18):
the powers that shouldn't be, they usually develop good plans
to take that person out. Okay, go, you can even
go back to Jaeger Hoover and Martin Luther King, Martin
Luther King, and this is playing out today. When Hoover
got the blackmail on Martin Luther King Junior, he then
(29:41):
tries to get Martin Luther King to commit suicide by
saying that they're threatening to leak the tapes of the
hotel rooms.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Guess what all that kind of thing that happened that a.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Lot of the liberals have actually forgotten about, because when
you fast forward to today, that same type of blackmailing
and use of sexual sexual blackmail is being used right
now on on a on uh Russell Brand. Okay, so
(30:15):
Russell Brand, you may or may not like him, but
you know what, it's the same exact same type of
takedown using his past actions. You know from twenty some
years ago that JEdgar Hoover was trying to And by
the way, Hoover didn't use this just on Martin Luther King.
He used it on all and it didn't work on
(30:36):
Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King didn't did not succumb
to it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
But even Jaegar Hoover. Well, I talk to Banano. He said,
we what do you have on Hoover. They didn't accept
that there was a mafia. He said, we had pictures
of him and address. They were owned by Roy Cohen.
He's seen them in Roy Cohen's file. And of course
at that time, I said, they look better than Attorney General.
(31:04):
I forgot where her name was, and he said, I
can't talk about that. She's still Attorney general. But they
had they had evidence on him, and then they gave
him horses that would win at the track. So him
and his lubber told us and could go bet and
then get the winners, right, So he wasn't. I mean,
those who live in glass houses really shouldn't be throwing stones.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
That's you know. The hypocrisy is just jaw dropping that
you can't when you say you couldn't write this up if.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You were, you could not mention writer.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You could not make this up because it's just the
truth is stranger than fiction. Hoover, if Colin had this,
that's possible. In fact, Roy Kohen died of AIDS and
he was well known. In fact, we heard on the
other end from certain mafia figures that they didn't want
to even sit in the same like restaurant table as
(32:01):
as Colin because they knew, they knew his background. They
knew he was, you know it was almost a pedophile
and everything else, so they didn't you know, they didn't
like that. They liked him as an attorney because he
was always getting them off and whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So they liked that party was complete sleeve.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I he really was, Yeah, and they didn't want to
even be seen close close with him. So, you know what,
it's possible Cone would have moved in some of the
same circles as JEdgar Hoover.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It's definitely possible.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
But Hoover was You know, guess what there is in
the criminal world.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It's something called projection. And you see this over and over.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
When you yourself, uh are able, you yourself know because you're
part of it, you then projected on others.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Look look at surper code. That's a good example the
movie A production right where he was undercover so much
and the whole thing happens, But this happens with a
lot of police and a lot of people. Let me
ask you, we've got how can we change the three
letters agencies, FBI, NSA. Look at what happened to Bill Benny?
(33:14):
What happened to you? What happened to others? What about
of whistle blowers? You have no protection? How did you
come through this personally, Colleen? Because I know this was
a horrible thing for you to go through. You were
under a pressure cooker, weren't you?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Hun Well, the good news is I was one of
the first, you know, whistle blowing after Daniel Ellsberg, when
the Supreme Court held that the press could not stop
information from being published if even if it was classified,
(33:51):
even if it was the Pentagon papers. That was a
very very important Supreme Court case. And so for a
long time after the Vietnam War, it was believed that
there that whistleblowers, for instance, would not be not only
whistleblowers would not be prosecuted, but newless publishers would not
be prosecuted. And I was lucky, lucky enough to be
(34:15):
right at the start of this right before, for instance,
Obama he said, okay, he promised he wouldn't to prosecute whistleblowers,
and then he went after six or seven whistleblower government
whistle blowers. But I was before that, and I had
the Joint Intelligence Committee that got my memo was written
to them.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
My memo was written to people with top secret clearances.
Then then I was lucky enough to get four senators.
That's what it took.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It took four really really well respected, well ingrained senior senators.
They were Grassley, Chuck, Grassley Leahy, they were both the
heads of the Judiciary, and our two Minnesota senators, Dayton
and Wellstone. All four of them wrote to Ashcroft within
(35:07):
days of my memo and said, you can't fire her.
Ashcroft apparently did want to fire me just for writing
that memo, just for doing that. I mean, maybe not
be put me in prison for the rest of my
life like Assange. But at that time there was talk
of firing me. And so it took these four senators.
It took the Agent's Association came on my side, and
(35:31):
so I did get some support early on. Now what
happened is when I wrote the memo when there was
already war fever to start war in Iraq, and I
wrote the memo about the problems with that, that it
wasn't true that Saddam was connected.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
To LKDA, etc. Then even the agents turned against me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, this was incredible. They turned against you. But
did you ever think you did the wrong thing?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You always knew you did what was right, what was
better for America. And that's what's important. You knew in
your heart what you did was right, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, you know there's something about if you if you
know yourself, that you have a chance to get some
truth out and you just keep your mouth shut and.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Go along with it. In a way, it kind of
it hurts your soul in a way.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And after that you see people in the military who
witness war crimes and they have to keep their mouths shut.
These are a lot of these people are the same
ones committing suicide later on, because it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Just is so harmful, even to yourself. It's kind of
like a moral.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's a moral injury to yourself if you're complicit with
a crime.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Can't we need to take a proot right now, Colleen,
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want to talk with Colleen Roley about freedom of speech.
It was so interesting talking about censorship when Robert Kennedy
was there and they censored him. They wanted to go
in the back room and talk about censorship. This is
(38:07):
not This is how far our country's gone, Colleen.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They call it misinformation, but they're the one censoring uh,
actual truth, truthful, accurate information. Even things that are in
published medical studies now are censored and or their shadow
band and all of the social media is working with
government agencies. It's pretty incredible. You asked one time, what
(38:35):
can we do to fix it? Well, one of the
basic things.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
To fix it is to get back to.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Some freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of press.
When you have your journalists who are now afraid that
they're going to be put in prison for the rest
of their life, like as songe and wiki leaks, you
know what, they're going to Taylor what they write, and
they're gonna they're gonna basically copy the government uh press
places and always adopt the narrative. That what is called
(39:03):
the narrative, which is making their own reality.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Our whole government, our founding fathers.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
And this even goes back to the British government was
based on justice, was based on the adversary system, and
the adversary system has its flaws.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
However, it's based you can't just listen to one side
of something. It's based on this jury of ordinary people
listening to both sides. And if you're going to quash dissent,
like Robert Kennedy, you know, you can't hear a word
about how the so called you know, injection, they call
(39:41):
it a vaccine, but it's not. If you can't hear,
if you're not allowed, if that's completely censored in the
United States, that you can't know about myo karditis that's
killing people suddenly, for instance, you can't. I just had
a couple of friends of friends that died and they
were in their forties for no reason. They were good shape.
So this is happening. We're all over. However it's censored
(40:04):
and uh wiki leaks and Assange is facing life in prison.
He could be extradited any day to the United States.
We are we're siding with the Australians. Now there's a
delegation of by the way, a politically diverse right left
(40:24):
in all stripes.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
They're all different political parties.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But they're they're actually Australian MPs that are coming over
here and they're going to try to talk some sense
into the Department of Justice and into uh, you know,
congressional representatives, because we're giving up our own constitutional rights
at this point, it's not going to end well, it's
(40:50):
not going to end well.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You can't even get at the.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Truth if you're only going to be allowed to hear
one side of it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I've got to do it. I've got to do a
quote that you gave and I thought it was just
absolutely sums it all up. Civilizations fall from internal decay,
not external assault. That is so important to know. Civilizations
fall from internal decay, not external assault. That's what we
have right now. Internal decay, isn't it Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
They empires wrought from the inside.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And luckily enough some Australian MP's have figured this out
and they're coming over here to try to talk. They're
going to arrive in Washington, DC tomorrow, and we've been
telling our own Minnesota senators and stuff to meet them.
That probably won't happen because our representatives they're so brainwashed
by all of this, but that's what everybody should.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
It's one of the fixes is to get freedom of
speech and freedom of press back.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That would be a good start if we could get
that Robert Kennedy was allowed to tell the truth about
COVID and other things that would be a start, right.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
He had the courage to stand up and tell the
truth about it, And they tried to shut him up
in the middle of Congress, and they tried to hold
a closed door session on censorship. That doesn't tell at all.
What does? And Robert Kennedy has the courage to they
all shut him up. They don't want him to debate.
You noticed that, didn't you. No, they don't want him talking. No, no, no,
(42:21):
stay away from Robert Kennedy. Yeah, because he's telling the truth.
The truth will set you free. But you've got to
be able to get the truth out. You found that out,
didn't you.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And Biden is still keeping the assassination record secret after
all this time about Kennedy's uncle. I mean, that's absolutely
you know again, you could write this if you were
the most imaginative fiction writer. It's so bad, and yet
it seemingly works pretty well because we're barraged by so
(42:52):
much mainstream and now social media propaganda.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
For more information, go to Colleen rolei rowl Ey dot com. Colleen,
thank you for being on You are absolutely incredible. You
are a very seldom you talk to a real odes
to God, gold plated patriot, and you are a patriot
to America and to the world. Thank you for being you,
(43:18):
and thank you for standing tall, standing strong.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
God bless you, Colleen, and thank you too for getting
the word out.
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