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Speaker 1 (00:11):
All aboard the Truth Express with your conductor Erskine, who
give you the latest on national news, politics, policies, business
and government issues.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, it's an honor having with us person who has
two different titles. I think this is very interesting. Doctor
Dan McMillan, JD, PhD. We call him doctor Dan McMillan, PhD.
Or we could call him Dan McMillan esquire because he
obtained his PhD from Columbia University. At jd from Fordham
(00:45):
Law School. But doctor McMillan worked as a history professor
and a prosecuting attorney, Yes, a prosecuting attorney. His first book,
How Could This Happen? We'll talk about that at a
later date. Explaining the Holocaust, We're going to really get
into detail of that coming up the very first part
(01:08):
of next year. And he was mentioning that January twenty
seventh is Holocaust Remembered State. One of the things that
I like about what the Jews have done is with
the Holocaust. They have it memorials, they have museums and
they say, list we forget. This is not something that
we want to remember, but it's something we must remember
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lest it happen again. I like that idea. Next, he
turned to sites to get the money out politics. The
time is now, that's what we're going to talk about. Well, examine,
as George Santiana said, how those who don't learn from
history are doomed to repeat it his website Doctor McMillan
dot com and saved the Democracy in America dot org.
(01:54):
We're going to discover five secret ways money enters elections,
Doctor McMillan. This is incredible and the money that's in there.
If I went out and I said, I've got this
friend of mine's Ryan for Senate. Now, if you get elected,
I'm going to give you fifty thousand dollars for your election. Now,
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remember this is a bribe. This is to do what
you're owned by me. Now, isn't bribing official illegal? But
you can give them money for our election. What's the
difference between some rich fact cat give me one hundred
thousand dollars for them to do what they want like
a drug company, or the fact that you're giving them
money for the election. Is there any difference. It's basically
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a huge bribe, isn't it? With the companies and.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
All it is, It is absolutely Erska, You're exactly right,
it is legalized bribery, right, It is as legalized as
it could get. And as you mentioned, you secret money.
The laws are so loose now that organizations could channel
tons of money to help candidates and you don't even
know who's donating it. And it can even be foreign
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governments and foreign nationals donating some of this money, and
we don't even know how much it is.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No. And the thing about it is, you've got two
companies that control most of the media and they control
all the drug companies, so that's why you're not hearing
any of the flack. And they're also controlling the websites
like Twitter and Facebook and all of that. One is
Vanguard and the other Blackrock. They control most of the
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media companies they have ownership in them, and they have
ownership in the drug companies. That's why Seats made drug
ads on television. And they also that's why that you're
hearing about COVID. They're pushing the vaccine, but they're not
pushing the cure. The cure was hydroxy and the cure
of is ivermectin the costs next to nothing, but they
were pushing remi fear, a drug that cost fifty to
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one hundred times more than the drugs that actually work.
I mean, this is the this is harming our health,
the fact that they've got a few people try to
make a lot of money. You say in your article
how We'll take back our country? Two things are important
in politics. What is money and I don't remember what
the other one is. That's coot.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, that was Mark Hannah, the guy who organized William
McKinley's campaign in ninety six. But because a recent one erskine.
Mitch McConnell in an interview in MPR it was about
two years ago, was asked what drives American politics and
McConnell said, money, money, and money and truor olds whatever.
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Said that he should know because he's a champion fundraiser,
and he's also one of the most skillful politicians of
our time, so he's qualified to say.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I will quote from your article. Big donors have effectively
chosen the candidates for whom we may vote, set limits
to the policies which these candidates can support. Big money's
reduced government policy to the lowest common denominator the wishes
of donors. Lobbying gains its muscle from political donations Foster's
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gridlock creates a political system several thousand players each exercise
veto over policies concerning them. Lobbyists also had one hundreds
of millions of dollars wasteful spending the federal budget as
they secure for their corporate clients all manner contracts, tax breaks, subsidies.
And I'll add to that, they've got people who work
for the companies and then they're put in government, then
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they go back to work for the companies and they
make millions of dollars. This has happened, especially with the
FDA and organizations like that, but it's also with the
armament companies, all of these.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh yes, oh yes, yes, that's the example of the wrong.
And you know, it's really funny. What are the guys
who studies buddy in politics. His name is Lawrence Lessig.
He teaches a Rivard. He said something really great and
the speech that one heard he said that Congress, you know,
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especially the House of Representatives, is the farm team, the
minor leagues for the lobbying companies that as you do
two or three, oh yeah, and the House of Representatives,
then you cash in by getting hired by one of
the lobbying firms, and you've got all these connections in
the Hill that you can use, and you know how
legislation works. And then you can get paid five times
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as much as you get paid as a member of
the House. Although what you get paid as a member
of the House is not too shabby. I think it's
one hundred and eighty five thousand something like that, right,
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They regard the voters as a necessary evil. And then
you say, perhaps worst of all, big money's led the
political class to forget that being in America means something special.
Country stands for democracy, the idea which defines our naturehood
as all of that. Trump supports may disagree with those
who support Standards and Warren taking them together have a
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clear majority who agree on most Our political system is
undemocratic and hopelessly broken. We've got to have a major change.
We really do, don't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
We We do. And that's one of the things that
I really wish, you know, like supporters, You know, so
many people who voted for Sanders or Clinton think that
if you vote for Trump, like you're a bad person.
And I think I think the reverse is true. But
the fact is, these what these voters on both sides
of the album. Most wanted, you know Sanders supporters and
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Trump supporters is they wanted change. You Know, Sanders said
we need a revolution, the system is rigged. Trump said
we need to drain the swamp. And they were both right.
And frankly, if Sanders hadn't called himself a socialist, I
think he would have won the nomination. They think a
lot of people voted for Clinton in twenty sixteen just
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because they thought a guy calling himself a socialist was
going to lose the White House. And if Sanders had
had sort of stayed away from that nonsense and just said, look,
we need change, I'm the change candidate, then in the
general election in twenty sixteen, we would have had two
change candidates. And I right, why did Trump win in
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twenty sixteen? He was the change candidate.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And absolutely absolutely he also understood business and he was
a change candidate. He wasn't a your typical politician. Plus
he was very outspoken, which was good and bad money
campaigns the big business and the very wealthy individuals. We
had people like Zuckerberg throwing so much money into the campaigns.
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You've got these campaigns for Senate, I mean you can't
even get started unless you got like fifty million dollars
in some of these places for a campaign for Senate.
That's insane. That's insane. Was the job paid? Nothing like that,
I'll tell you that. So when they get.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
In, I think the at this point, the minimum prides
a venture to the Senate, that is, the minimum for
a successful campaign for the Senate has got to be
ten million, and I think fifty million is far more typical,
you know, right, And that's right, But you know, Cherskin,
one thing I'd like to kind of well, I'm not
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pushing it back what she said, but kind of pushing
back against kind of what many people think. And actually,
you know, Bernie Sanders, and I give him credit for
calling attention to the money problem, which he took a
lot of. And actually President Trump also talked about money
in politics in twenty sixteen quite a lot and didn't
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get much credit for it. But if you listen to Sanders,
you know, you get the impression that our country is
governed by a committee of rich people for their own benefit.
But actually the way it really works in a lot
of ways is that no one's in charge anymore. Because
with each of these interest groups and billionaires, whether it's
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Zuckerberg or Bezos or Charles Koch or whoever. What they
get is not so much control of the government because
all these special interests and big corporations their needs are
not identical. They also compete with each other, so what
they mostly get is the ability to veto something they
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don't like. And so now we've got a government that's
mostly paralyzed by interest group gridlock, which is really terrible.
But in the way, there's a piece of good news.
And what I mean by that is that when I
started this campaign, people told me you're never going to win,
Dan because you're going to be crushed by a wall
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of big corporate money. But the thing is, our political
system is so dysfunctional now. Even the biggest donors, even
the Fortune five hundred corporations, they're not getting what they
need either the political system. And so because the big
money is basically the enemy of every America, I think
this is a great opportunity to bring every American together
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in support of government by the people, which is the
ideal that makes us Americans and that I think we
all believe in.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You've got a wonderful way of doing it, and the
system is democracy dollars? Democracy dollars? Now, what is this?
It's very simple. It's so simple that it's that it
has to be able to work. Every registered voter gets
one hundred dollars during presidential years, fifty dollars on midterm.
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That's not money to spend any way you want to.
You have to give it to your candidate or choice
or cadidates of choice must send the candidate the money
to the cadidate they want support. Now, the other thing
I would do on there, I would also add a
limit to campaign contributions from corporations and that type of
thing that you can't take over x amount of dollars
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from any one individual or in a group. I do
away with all the packs and all of that type
of thing.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I would love that, and that would be great.
The problem is the Supreme Court won't let us do that.
And the reason for that is and this, to me,
this is my favorite example of how book learning is
never a substitute for common sense. Back in the nineteen seventies,
seven members of our Supreme Court, including the great Thurgood Marshall,
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who was just such a hero, they decided in nineteen
seventy six that money in political donations or spent to
buy political advertisements, is itself free speech? Up to that point,
free speech in our country just meant what it sounds like.
You're free to say what you believe. It didn't include
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any money you spent to buy an audience for your
speech to drown out your opponent's speech with you know,
one hundred million dollars in campaign ads. But then in
this decision, the Court magically presto chango turned money into
speech protected by the First Amendment, and that already crippled
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our ability to regulate money in politics. And that's kind
of when the modern problem a big money began, is
sort of at the end of the seventies, beginning of
the eighties. And then you know, the Supreme Court under
John Roberts has just sort of taken those ideas to
their most extreme conclusion. And so now the reality is
we can't stop anyone from from.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Poppins would be right back, sure, thank you very doctor
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you've watched NASCAR racing? I'm sure haven't you?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know? Unfortunately Ears and I have. I don't know
if I've ever seen NASCAR racing. I don't watch any
professional sports. I'm kind of a weird guy. All I
do is read.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, No, I watched watched very little of it. But
after the race they'll put all a different hat. Okay,
they put all hats that says Babel in there, they
put all hats that says minus mufflers something like that. Well,
I think what we need for our Congress people our
hats and jackets. And they'll say bought and paid for
by Blackrock. This. Uh have a hat that says Vanguard.
(15:30):
You have hats to say who bought them? You know
this who I'm working for? And Joe Bobs case, you
might have a hat that says owned by China. You know,
you just have hats that tell exactly where they are.
But we need to know who the big donors to
these people are. If nothing else, we need to know
who the big donors are and who's controlling them. That's
(15:51):
what we need to know. And then we have to
have a way to stop some of these people from
buying Congress critters unless we can stop the money flow.
Now you say their five secret ways money enters elections,
And we need to stop the way that the money's
entering the election because we are losing the people's vote.
(16:12):
Like you say, they're treating the voters as serve, almost
like useless baggage. The voters are looked on as necessary evil.
I mean, this is not the way that we're looked on.
We are looked on that way. You know. They just
think the money alone's going to do it, and they
can sway it. They can put out lies and keep
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telling lies because they've got the money to do it,
and they've got the media behind them, you know, the
media and the and what's going on and what has
been going on with the drug companies controlling the social media,
social media being controlled by the government. I mean, we
are losing our freedom of speech, that's what it amounts to.
And it's being bought and paid for by those who
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want to give us their version, and their version isn't
work out well for us. I'm very worried about what's
going on. They got this green New deal, we're going
we're not going to have by Thanksgiving, We're going to
be out of diesel fuel. That means no crops, that
means no transportation. The country could be in an absolute
freefall if that happens. You know that, and I know
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that well.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I do need to jump in and just kind of
make clear to the audience that my campaign to get
money at apologies is one nonpartisan right. I can't I
cannot take a position for or against the Green New Deal,
for or against ivermectin versus the COVID vaccines.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, but a lot of that is stuff that has
been pushed on us, and we're not allowed to hear
both sides of it because one side or the other
is pushing it. We're not hearing a free flow of
information anymore because the side that has the money is
the one that's being heard and being promoted.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, I think in general, what we get, you know,
so much from the media is basically politics, buy and
for the wealthy, and we don't really get ideas that
help us, and a lot of our problems and issues
aren't even discussed in politics, like, for example, about half
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of American's age fifty five and over have no retirement
savings at all, no, which means they can't retire. They
work till they drop, and when they drop, their only
income is a Social Security check, and the average check
is not the lap of luxury. And look, I have
no plan for to fix this. I don't know exactly
how this happened, but what they do know is that
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I don't hear politicians talking about a solution to it
because they're too busy taking care of their donors and
right taking care of corporate interests.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It was supposed to be up buy and for the people,
not the corporations.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's right, That is the plan. That's what American soldiers
have given their lives for in every war that we've fought,
you know, the ideals that make us a country. And
it's that's the thing. There's so many things wrong with
our current system. I mean, you can complain about the
fact that it's paralyzed by interest groups be doing what
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they don't like. You can be angry at the fact
that politicians don't listen to us because they're listening to
their donors. But in a way, for me, the gut
punch emotionally is that this current system where we haven't.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Now we'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
That's okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
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have we have no accountability and we have to cemit
their They start campaigning for money, money, money, money. It's
all money raising thing from the start to the finish.
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No accountability to the people. That's my problem. And it
doesn't matter which party it is, They're both the same
way with the money, money money. I'm tired of it.
I think you are too.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I am, I am, and I think that people in
our audience site, I think they're probably tired of it.
Also when they're the risk. And I want to kind
of feel a need to emphasize is that I don't
feel personally. Of course, I don't know these people personally,
but I think the bulk of the donors and the
bulk of the polic the donors who give them money,
the politicians who take it. I don't see these as
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evil people. I tend to think that most of them
are patriotic Americans, just like you and I. They're doing
what they have to do according to the rules of
the system. Because when you think about it, look, if
you run a major corporation and you don't throw tons
of money at congressmen and hire an army a lobbys,
you're giving up an advantage to your competitors.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're not going You're right, You're right. I never thought
of it that way.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, instead of One of the things that I
really like about our campaign to get money out of
politics is that it's completely unifying. Not only do we
work to bring Republicans and Democrats together on the basis
of our shared democratic values and our shared needs, but
we we make a point of also not you know,
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when Bernie Sanders talked about money in politics, he tended
to demonize wealthy Americans and the business community, and it's
the ninety nine percent against the one percent that as
I see it, it's one hundred percent of Americans against
the money. The money is the enemy of us all
and our fellow Americans are not the enemy. And the
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sooner we see that. I'm not saying, of course we
have to have two parties. There has to be partisan conflict,
but the part is an anger has gotten out of
hand and it's not making is happy and it's hard
to govern the country. And I see our campaign as
a way to bring Republicans and Democrats together and to
kind of dial down the anger a bit in our politics.
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And you know, so far it's working because I've had about,
i know, thirty eight media appearances, mostly radio and podcasts,
but a handful on CD, all across the spectrum from
very liberal to very conservative. It's like, if I got
all these these these people I've been talking to like
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together at one of my dinner parties and politics came up,
they be fighting like cats and dogs, right right right,
But they are they are with me on this and
they love what I'm doing because at the end of
the day, erskine every American is a patriot because every
American believes in the noble ideals which make us a country.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, we need to get we need to get back
to knowing that we're all American and we have to
go on the road to make the country better. And
we've got a little bit different shades of how to
do it. But the fact of the matter is, Uh,
Republicans and Democrats have fought together in various wars for
to sustain this country that we call the United States
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of America. There's no reason for us to be as
divided as we are.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fundamentally, there's no good reason. But I would I would
argue that in a number of ways, the money in
politics actually helps divide us.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, I think. I think when you said that, look
at the similarities between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders and
Elizabeth Warren. Uh, the rhetoric. Tone down the rhetoric and
talk about your similarities about your rights, right, I mean,
that's the volumes to me.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's also looked. I mean, for example, I feel like
both political parties use gun ownership, gun rights, and gun
violence as a way to divide the American working class
in middle class against you.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Sure they do. I mean, I'm not saying it's both sides.
They both sides do it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Oh exactly. And look, I mean I used to own
a gun myself, although I'm from New York City, but
I taught college out in Illinois. I actually I owned
a famous gun. You probably know why. It's the famous
I owned a Walter PPK. You remember that. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, the weapon of choice of seven. You know,
I don't own it anymore, but but I get gun ownership.
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And the thing is, look, people's gun rights are important,
and gun violence is also a problem, particularly all the
guns suicides we have in this country is a very
tragic thing. But on the other hand, I'll tell you,
the future of our country doesn't depend on what we
do with guns. It depends on we're building the middle class.
It depends on infrastructure, depends on better schools for our children,
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it depends on fixing this ridiculous, messed up healthcare system
we've got. And yet whenever there's one of these horrible
mass especially when the victims are children, Democratic politicians rile
up their base. It's red meat for their base, and
they bring in small, dour donations, and Republican politicians go
to their base and say these big city liberals want
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to take all your guns away, which is also not true.
And in the meantime, we're getting all angry about this
issue that I'm not saying it's not important. But we've
got bigger fish to fry in this country.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
We really do. We have a homeless situation that's horrible
right now. We need to take care of We all
can unite that this needs to be taken care of.
We've got a drug problem that needs to be taken
care of in this country. These are problems that affect Americans.
We've got a problem with PTSD, especially among the service personnel.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It needs to be taken care of them.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, no, no, And I've said it many times. There
was a place I used to go to in Phoenix
and they had Navy seals there, men, women, black, white, Hispanic,
all all former people who served in the military. And
the guy said, we're sure glad when you come. I
said why, He said, because yours is the only group
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that gives us different salad dressings. Now it meant that much.
Oh my god, might sound funny, but it meant that
much that they had different salad dressings. This is to
the point that we're at right now, and these people
is starved by the son of Gregory Peck, and these
people who go there, they turn them around, They preach
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to them a little bit. They turn them around, They
tell them that people care. They find them a job,
a good place to live. After living there for oh
two three four months along with other people are having
the same problems because nobody understands your problems like somebody else.
That's the deal with alcoholics, anonymous. Nobody understands an alcoholic
like another alcoholic. So putting them together, they're able to
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commiserate with each other, tell stories, and they have a
good time. It's like they're back in the military where
they were happy. And so they are able to form
an adjustment for these people. You know, I don't know
the name of it, but was started by the son
of Gregory Peck. And they've got five or six of
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them right. So this is this is Americans coming together
to help Americans. Nobody asks their politics in there. I
don't care if somebody is a Whig, Democratic, Republican, libertarian.
Nobody talks about that. They're talking about fixing broken people.
You people who've had a tough time, And this is
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this is what America's about. We need to get our
moral compass and we need to get our compass regarding
virtue back to America because we are a virtuous, moral country.
We've got to get it back right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And I think you know the thing is like, by
setting up this democracy don't system where we the people
pay for the election campaigns instead of letting billionaires and
big business pay for election campaigns, we can bring morality
back to our politics.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Because we can with morality accountability and because there's lots
of e said for the love of money is the
root of all evil. Money isn't the root. It's the
love of money. And if you have the money coming
in to run an effective campaign from your own voters,
given the money, where they will do that. Now, I'll say,
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you're going to have a lot of people against it.
You'll have the radio and television stations against it. They
get a lot of money off these ads. You've got
a lot of the corporations who will be against it
because they get a lot of influence off of these ads.
I mean this is it has become a huge industry,
but it's destroying our country.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It is destroying our country. But I'll tell you you
know that the big corporations. Eventually, I mean, I don't
know how long it's going to take me to do this,
but eventually, you know. I think if I can get
into a room with the public affairs people at the
US Chamber of Commerce, or if I can talk to
some CEOs big corporations, I think I can make a
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case that this democracy dollar system isn't their interest too,
because even though okay, they're political spending and their lobbying,
it'll get them this or that kind of good, it'll
get them a tax, right, get them ay. But the
thing is what does business most need from every political system.
They need stability and predictability. And that's all about the window.
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Because the American people no longer respect politicians, they no
longer trust their government. We have a situation now where
thirty percent of our voters think the electional action was stolen,
and we're in a situation that's incredibly dangerous. And I'm
not saying that to criticize those voters, not at all.
I'm saying that because to me, it's a symptom of
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the justifiable mistrust that all Americans feal, or most Americans
feal toward our politicians. It's right that no one who
works in politics has any incentive to help us understand
that it's the money above all that broke the system
because they're taking the money, so they can't explain it
to us. Which is which is where? Which is my
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job and my organization, that's what we do. I think
that I could go to the US Chamber of Conference
and say, look, if if you help us make democracy
dollars happen. Okay, you're going to lose this or that
tax break, but you're going to get a political system
that functions again, and you're going to get a country
that your kids are going to want to grow up in. Now.
(31:43):
I mean, I think in a way it had to
get this bad before reform was truly possible. But now
that we have a system where the only people I
think that this money driven system really works for any more,
I guess is maybe the lobbying industry. I think everyone
else we're getting work getting the short ended mistick because
of it, and so I think we can come together, you.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Know, right, And the fact of the matter is the
more money. They say that money is some others milk
and politics, but from ment they're in there, they start
campaigning for more money, and this is not what they're
supposed to be doing. So that you have people who
are selling out for the almighty dollar.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Their congressman has sus seats sitting in, thinking in and
their whole job depends upon their seat. So you've got
to let them be able to think and to do
what's right for the people. They need to have more
town halls, they need to get out and realize that
they have a limited amount of money. They should limit
the amount of money that's spent on congressional campaigns.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Says, since the courts won't let us do that.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
There's no way that you can get that done. They
won't let it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We would we would have to under what pretext institution
to make that possible?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And right rather, what pretext do they say you can't
can't limit the amount of money beings Because back in.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
The seventies the court decided that the case is called
Buckley Vivalo. No one's heard of it, but it's every
every bit as important as Brownbie Board of bed Roe v.
Wade or the Dobs case right here, okay, and what
it did, because in some ways it's the most destructive
Supreme Court decision we've ever had. That's where those geniuses
decided that this money is. It's so free speech, protective
(33:29):
of the First Amendment, and it's so boneheaded you can't
believe it. I mean, it shows you sometimes I feel
and I saw this in the Actors.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's the exact opposite of free speech.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Dan, you know that is it is because because because
some billionaire can drown out my speech in yours right
with one hundred million dollars of political advertisements. So that is, no,
there's no freedom there anymore for us. No, there's only
freedom for him.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
But unfortunately, only freedom for the Bill Gates, only freedom
for the Koch brothers. Both sides got their billionaires and
they're the ones who yell the louds that they've got
the most to spend and they're going to be changing
it and changing policy. And so we need to have
a free discourse not dependent on who has the most bucks.
Daddy Warbucks can't control the government, or shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
And you know what I think riskin is that once
we get this democracy dollars system through, and the only
way it happens is when we when you know, and
you know you're helping me do this by you know,
giving us a platform to share that put this before
the American people. This is fundamentally the democracy Dog's idea
(34:39):
is just it's so common sense, it's fool proof. It's
impossible for the government to mess up in setting up
because how the money is allocated is decentralized to one
hundred and sixty eight million registered voters. The people are
in the saddle. I think this is basically I'm finding
this is an idea that it has appeal across the
(35:01):
aisle politically, across the spectrum. Yes, it's getting what.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
You're Let me let me Christop if just a moment,
what you're talking of. What you're talking about, Dan McMillan,
you're talking about breaking up the control of the country
from the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about,
who are spending the big box military industrial media, pharmaceutical
(35:26):
complex that he warned us about, and returning the power
back to the people. That's all you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's exactly right. It's going back to the Gettysburg address
and the right fathers. That's what it's about government of
buying for the people, not.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Buying for the military industrial complex. That is exactly what
it's about busting up that we were warned about by Eisenhower,
We've been warned about by others, and this is what
you're talking about. We'll have accountability to us, not to them.
Love it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm so glad. And you know the thing is riskin
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It comes in just what we need to to off.
Let me run back, okay. The Biden administration is quickly
moving to implement the liberal fantasy of socialist spending. After
spending a two point one trillion dollars stimulus, the President
and the Democratic led Congress have introduced another three trillion
(36:30):
dollars plan to add to our instrumentable death, seeking to
raise taxes on Americans make as little as two hundred
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the government to we the people, breaking up the military
(37:33):
industrial complex having an ordinate power over us, and returning
it to accountability. This would change everything, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Dam Uh you know, I don't know if it would
change everything, but it would be a mighty first step
or two or three big first steps in the right direction.
And I think if Republicans and Democrats can take the
step together, and we can, judging from the support I'm finding,
then I think we're gonna dial back to anger. We're
going to see that it's easier to work together on
(38:04):
the other challenges.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Halfway through our conversation, I got exactly what you were saying. Well,
I thought about who was ConTroll and what others have
said about they've beaten around the bush. You get right
to the meat of it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Thank you. How many minutes do we have left in
this talkers?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
About three or four?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Well? Can I if I may let me just sort of,
you know, I want to say to our audience, if
they like what we're talking about, what they can do
Because they don't need to march in the street. They
don't even need to give us money, although that would
be nice. I would just say, I mean, it's nice,
but you know, in a way, it's just a question
I think of spreading the word and overcoming the feeling
(38:45):
of powerlessness and hopelessness that that so many Americans suffer
when it comes to politics today, because no one in
politics is offering them a concrete step toward a better future.
And let me think that this democracy dolls reformed. Is
that kind of concrete step that we can agree on.
And so I would ask if what I'm saying makes
(39:07):
any sense to you, please go to our website, Save
Democracy in America dot org, Save Democracy in America dot org.
Take a look at it. There are links to my interviews.
We've got a couple of videos, there's some faques, and
if you like what you see, please share it with
your friends and your relatives and your coworkers, because you know,
(39:31):
I come on on Erskine Show and other shows and
I make my best case. But you and the audience.
You don't know me from Adam and yes, because because
Erskine is a lot invited me on the show. That
gives me some validation. But you can provide this idea
with some more powerful validation, because no message is more
(39:53):
stronger than one that comes from someone you trust. And
if you say to your you know, your sister, your cousin,
your coworker, Hey, this democracy dollars idea looks pretty interesting.
Check out this website. That message from you is one
hundred times more powerful than it will ever be coming
from me. You know, we all feel powerless in our politics,
(40:15):
and to a large degree we are powerless, but not
one hundred percent. They still need our vote to get
in And if you can spend even five minutes a
week spreading our word, you really can have an impact
to move the ball down the field. And so I
really encourage you to do that. I'd be very grateful.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Republicans and Democrats both know that there are major problems
that need to be we can come together. We can
actually come together to fix them and to fix this.
That doesn't mean we're going to agree on everything. Now,
We're going to agree on one thing that we're all Americans,
and we want to save America and we want to
power back to the people. That's what we can agree on,
(40:51):
and you've got ways to do it now. All of
our programs are archived twenty four to seven at Truthexpressradio
dot com. So go back, tell your friends to listen
to this hour with Dan McMillan, and it's all archive
twenty four to seven there. So, and if you go
up to Truth Expressradio dot com, it has saved democracy
(41:12):
and America dot org and also your website, Doctor McMillan
dot com. Both of them have great information. So it's
all archives up there. Send your friends up there, look
a look at what he's proposing, and spread it around.
This is going to be a grassroots wildfire. If we
start spreading it around. That's going to be done with
(41:34):
big money. It's going to be done with you telling
your friends to your other friends. It's going to be
done by word of mouth to people. That's going to
be the most important because they believe in what you're saying, saying, Hey,
look I just came brough something that could save the
whole country, make a major change. But we never agreed
on anything politically. You'll agree on this so much.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Can I really appreciate the vote of confidence and your support,
having your support, I mean, there's so many people who
trust you and respect you. Having you say this to
them really helps us a lot.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
We're going to do it, Dan, we have to. It's
for America, is for our children and ourselves that we've
got to do this. We can't be going down the
same divisive road. We've got to bring our country together. Well.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I couldn't have said it better myself. Bless you.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Thank you for being on and I want you to
come back and talk about how this how could this happen?
The Holocaust?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I'd like to come back when whenever you'll have me
risk and you just say the word, thank you, doctor.
You think so much God bless you, Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Sir, and we'll be right back after these words.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, it's an honor having with us person who has
two different titles. I think this is very interesting. Doctor
Dan McMillan, JD, PhD. We call him doctor Dan McMillan, PhD.
Or we could call him Dan McMillan esquire because he
obtained his PhD from Columbia University. At jd from Fordham
(00:45):
Law School. But doctor McMillan worked as a history professor
and a prosecuting attorney, Yes, a prosecuting attorney. His first book,
How Could This Happen? We'll talk about that at a
later date. Explaining the Holocaust, We're going to really get
into detail of that coming up the very first part
(01:08):
of next year. And he was mentioning that January twenty
seventh is Holocaust Remembered State. One of the things that
I like about what the Jews have done is with
the Holocaust. They have it memorials, they have museums and
they say, list we forget. This is not something that
we want to remember, but it's something we must remember
(01:31):
lest it happen again. I like that idea. Next, he
turned to sites to get the money out politics. The
time is now, that's what we're going to talk about. Well, examine,
as George Santiana said, how those who don't learn from
history are doomed to repeat it his website Doctor McMillan
dot com and saved the Democracy in America dot org.
(01:54):
We're going to discover five secret ways money enters elections,
Doctor McMillan. This is incredible and the money that's in there.
If I went out and I said, I've got this
friend of mine's Ryan for Senate. Now, if you get elected,
I'm going to give you fifty thousand dollars for your election. Now,
(02:15):
remember this is a bribe. This is to do what
you're owned by me. Now, isn't bribing official illegal? But
you can give them money for our election. What's the
difference between some rich fact cat give me one hundred
thousand dollars for them to do what they want like
a drug company, or the fact that you're giving them
money for the election. Is there any difference. It's basically
(02:38):
a huge bribe, isn't it? With the companies and.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
All it is, It is absolutely Erska, You're exactly right,
it is legalized bribery, right, It is as legalized as
it could get. And as you mentioned, you secret money.
The laws are so loose now that organizations could channel
tons of money to help candidates and you don't even
know who's donating it. And it can even be foreign
(03:03):
governments and foreign nationals donating some of this money, and
we don't even know how much it is.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No. And the thing about it is, you've got two
companies that control most of the media and they control
all the drug companies, so that's why you're not hearing
any of the flack. And they're also controlling the websites
like Twitter and Facebook and all of that. One is
Vanguard and the other Blackrock. They control most of the
(03:31):
media companies they have ownership in them, and they have
ownership in the drug companies. That's why Seats made drug
ads on television. And they also that's why that you're
hearing about COVID. They're pushing the vaccine, but they're not
pushing the cure. The cure was hydroxy and the cure
of is ivermectin the costs next to nothing, but they
were pushing remi fear, a drug that cost fifty to
(03:55):
one hundred times more than the drugs that actually work.
I mean, this is the this is harming our health,
the fact that they've got a few people try to
make a lot of money. You say in your article
how We'll take back our country? Two things are important
in politics. What is money and I don't remember what
the other one is. That's coot.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, that was Mark Hannah, the guy who organized William
McKinley's campaign in ninety six. But because a recent one erskine.
Mitch McConnell in an interview in MPR it was about
two years ago, was asked what drives American politics and
McConnell said, money, money, and money and truor olds whatever.
(04:38):
Said that he should know because he's a champion fundraiser,
and he's also one of the most skillful politicians of
our time, so he's qualified to say.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I will quote from your article. Big donors have effectively
chosen the candidates for whom we may vote, set limits
to the policies which these candidates can support. Big money's
reduced government policy to the lowest common denominator the wishes
of donors. Lobbying gains its muscle from political donations Foster's
(05:08):
gridlock creates a political system several thousand players each exercise
veto over policies concerning them. Lobbyists also had one hundreds
of millions of dollars wasteful spending the federal budget as
they secure for their corporate clients all manner contracts, tax breaks, subsidies.
And I'll add to that, they've got people who work
for the companies and then they're put in government, then
(05:31):
they go back to work for the companies and they
make millions of dollars. This has happened, especially with the
FDA and organizations like that, but it's also with the
armament companies, all of these.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh yes, oh yes, yes, that's the example of the wrong.
And you know, it's really funny. What are the guys
who studies buddy in politics. His name is Lawrence Lessig.
He teaches a Rivard. He said something really great and
the speech that one heard he said that Congress, you know,
(06:05):
especially the House of Representatives, is the farm team, the
minor leagues for the lobbying companies that as you do
two or three, oh yeah, and the House of Representatives,
then you cash in by getting hired by one of
the lobbying firms, and you've got all these connections in
the Hill that you can use, and you know how
legislation works. And then you can get paid five times
(06:26):
as much as you get paid as a member of
the House. Although what you get paid as a member
of the House is not too shabby. I think it's
one hundred and eighty five thousand something like that, right,
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They regard the voters as a necessary evil. And then
you say, perhaps worst of all, big money's led the
political class to forget that being in America means something special.
Country stands for democracy, the idea which defines our naturehood
as all of that. Trump supports may disagree with those
who support Standards and Warren taking them together have a
(06:58):
clear majority who agree on most Our political system is
undemocratic and hopelessly broken. We've got to have a major change.
We really do, don't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
We We do. And that's one of the things that
I really wish, you know, like supporters, You know, so
many people who voted for Sanders or Clinton think that
if you vote for Trump, like you're a bad person.
And I think I think the reverse is true. But
the fact is, these what these voters on both sides
of the album. Most wanted, you know Sanders supporters and
(07:34):
Trump supporters is they wanted change. You Know, Sanders said
we need a revolution, the system is rigged. Trump said
we need to drain the swamp. And they were both right.
And frankly, if Sanders hadn't called himself a socialist, I
think he would have won the nomination. They think a
lot of people voted for Clinton in twenty sixteen just
(07:55):
because they thought a guy calling himself a socialist was
going to lose the White House. And if Sanders had
had sort of stayed away from that nonsense and just said, look,
we need change, I'm the change candidate, then in the
general election in twenty sixteen, we would have had two
change candidates. And I right, why did Trump win in
(08:16):
twenty sixteen? He was the change candidate.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And absolutely absolutely he also understood business and he was
a change candidate. He wasn't a your typical politician. Plus
he was very outspoken, which was good and bad money
campaigns the big business and the very wealthy individuals. We
had people like Zuckerberg throwing so much money into the campaigns.
(08:40):
You've got these campaigns for Senate, I mean you can't
even get started unless you got like fifty million dollars
in some of these places for a campaign for Senate.
That's insane. That's insane. Was the job paid? Nothing like that,
I'll tell you that. So when they get.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
In, I think the at this point, the minimum prides
a venture to the Senate, that is, the minimum for
a successful campaign for the Senate has got to be
ten million, and I think fifty million is far more typical,
you know, right, And that's right, But you know, Cherskin,
one thing I'd like to kind of well, I'm not
(09:17):
pushing it back what she said, but kind of pushing
back against kind of what many people think. And actually,
you know, Bernie Sanders, and I give him credit for
calling attention to the money problem, which he took a
lot of. And actually President Trump also talked about money
in politics in twenty sixteen quite a lot and didn't
(09:38):
get much credit for it. But if you listen to Sanders,
you know, you get the impression that our country is
governed by a committee of rich people for their own benefit.
But actually the way it really works in a lot
of ways is that no one's in charge anymore. Because
with each of these interest groups and billionaires, whether it's
(09:59):
Zuckerberg or Bezos or Charles Koch or whoever. What they
get is not so much control of the government because
all these special interests and big corporations their needs are
not identical. They also compete with each other, so what
they mostly get is the ability to veto something they
(10:20):
don't like. And so now we've got a government that's
mostly paralyzed by interest group gridlock, which is really terrible.
But in the way, there's a piece of good news.
And what I mean by that is that when I
started this campaign, people told me you're never going to win,
Dan because you're going to be crushed by a wall
(10:42):
of big corporate money. But the thing is, our political
system is so dysfunctional now. Even the biggest donors, even
the Fortune five hundred corporations, they're not getting what they
need either the political system. And so because the big
money is basically the enemy of every America, I think
this is a great opportunity to bring every American together
(11:05):
in support of government by the people, which is the
ideal that makes us Americans and that I think we
all believe in.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You've got a wonderful way of doing it, and the
system is democracy dollars? Democracy dollars? Now, what is this?
It's very simple. It's so simple that it's that it
has to be able to work. Every registered voter gets
one hundred dollars during presidential years, fifty dollars on midterm.
(11:35):
That's not money to spend any way you want to.
You have to give it to your candidate or choice
or cadidates of choice must send the candidate the money
to the cadidate they want support. Now, the other thing
I would do on there, I would also add a
limit to campaign contributions from corporations and that type of
thing that you can't take over x amount of dollars
(11:59):
from any one individual or in a group. I do
away with all the packs and all of that type
of thing.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I would love that, and that would be great.
The problem is the Supreme Court won't let us do that.
And the reason for that is and this, to me,
this is my favorite example of how book learning is
never a substitute for common sense. Back in the nineteen seventies,
seven members of our Supreme Court, including the great Thurgood Marshall,
(12:29):
who was just such a hero, they decided in nineteen
seventy six that money in political donations or spent to
buy political advertisements, is itself free speech? Up to that point,
free speech in our country just meant what it sounds like.
You're free to say what you believe. It didn't include
(12:51):
any money you spent to buy an audience for your
speech to drown out your opponent's speech with you know,
one hundred million dollars in campaign ads. But then in
this decision, the Court magically presto chango turned money into
speech protected by the First Amendment, and that already crippled
(13:13):
our ability to regulate money in politics. And that's kind
of when the modern problem a big money began, is
sort of at the end of the seventies, beginning of
the eighties. And then you know, the Supreme Court under
John Roberts has just sort of taken those ideas to
their most extreme conclusion. And so now the reality is
we can't stop anyone from from.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Poppins would be right back, sure, thank you very doctor
Dan mcmeellan. The Biden administration is quickly moving to implement
the liberal fantasy of socialist spending. After spending a two
point one trillion dollar stimulus, the President and Democratic Congress
(14:01):
have introduced another three train dollar plan to add to
our instrumentable death, seeking to raise taxes on Americans Mickey
as little as two hundred thousand a year. Have you
seen the immigration footage eighty seven million putting illegals in
hotel rooms and our troops sleeping on parking garage floors?
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you've watched NASCAR racing? I'm sure haven't you?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know? Unfortunately Ears and I have. I don't know
if I've ever seen NASCAR racing. I don't watch any
professional sports. I'm kind of a weird guy. All I
do is read.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, No, I watched watched very little of it. But
after the race they'll put all a different hat. Okay,
they put all hats that says Babel in there, they
put all hats that says minus mufflers something like that. Well,
I think what we need for our Congress people our
hats and jackets. And they'll say bought and paid for
by Blackrock. This. Uh have a hat that says Vanguard.
(15:30):
You have hats to say who bought them? You know
this who I'm working for? And Joe Bobs case, you
might have a hat that says owned by China. You know,
you just have hats that tell exactly where they are.
But we need to know who the big donors to
these people are. If nothing else, we need to know
who the big donors are and who's controlling them. That's
(15:51):
what we need to know. And then we have to
have a way to stop some of these people from
buying Congress critters unless we can stop the money flow.
Now you say their five secret ways money enters elections,
And we need to stop the way that the money's
entering the election because we are losing the people's vote.
(16:12):
Like you say, they're treating the voters as serve, almost
like useless baggage. The voters are looked on as necessary evil.
I mean, this is not the way that we're looked on.
We are looked on that way. You know. They just
think the money alone's going to do it, and they
can sway it. They can put out lies and keep
(16:33):
telling lies because they've got the money to do it,
and they've got the media behind them, you know, the
media and the and what's going on and what has
been going on with the drug companies controlling the social media,
social media being controlled by the government. I mean, we
are losing our freedom of speech, that's what it amounts to.
And it's being bought and paid for by those who
(16:56):
want to give us their version, and their version isn't
work out well for us. I'm very worried about what's
going on. They got this green New deal, we're going
we're not going to have by Thanksgiving, We're going to
be out of diesel fuel. That means no crops, that
means no transportation. The country could be in an absolute
freefall if that happens. You know that, and I know
(17:17):
that well.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I do need to jump in and just kind of
make clear to the audience that my campaign to get
money at apologies is one nonpartisan right. I can't I
cannot take a position for or against the Green New Deal,
for or against ivermectin versus the COVID vaccines.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, but a lot of that is stuff that has
been pushed on us, and we're not allowed to hear
both sides of it because one side or the other
is pushing it. We're not hearing a free flow of
information anymore because the side that has the money is
the one that's being heard and being promoted.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, I think in general, what we get, you know,
so much from the media is basically politics, buy and
for the wealthy, and we don't really get ideas that
help us, and a lot of our problems and issues
aren't even discussed in politics, like, for example, about half
(18:19):
of American's age fifty five and over have no retirement
savings at all, no, which means they can't retire. They
work till they drop, and when they drop, their only
income is a Social Security check, and the average check
is not the lap of luxury. And look, I have
no plan for to fix this. I don't know exactly
how this happened, but what they do know is that
(18:42):
I don't hear politicians talking about a solution to it
because they're too busy taking care of their donors and
right taking care of corporate interests.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It was supposed to be up buy and for the people,
not the corporations.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's right, That is the plan. That's what American soldiers
have given their lives for in every war that we've fought,
you know, the ideals that make us a country. And
it's that's the thing. There's so many things wrong with
our current system. I mean, you can complain about the
fact that it's paralyzed by interest groups be doing what
(19:19):
they don't like. You can be angry at the fact
that politicians don't listen to us because they're listening to
their donors. But in a way, for me, the gut
punch emotionally is that this current system where we haven't.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Now we'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
That's okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But Dan McMillan as website Safe Democracy in America dot org.
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have we have no accountability and we have to cemit
their They start campaigning for money, money, money, money. It's
all money raising thing from the start to the finish.
(21:06):
No accountability to the people. That's my problem. And it
doesn't matter which party it is, They're both the same
way with the money, money money. I'm tired of it.
I think you are too.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I am, I am, and I think that people in
our audience site, I think they're probably tired of it.
Also when they're the risk. And I want to kind
of feel a need to emphasize is that I don't
feel personally. Of course, I don't know these people personally,
but I think the bulk of the donors and the
bulk of the polic the donors who give them money,
the politicians who take it. I don't see these as
(21:42):
evil people. I tend to think that most of them
are patriotic Americans, just like you and I. They're doing
what they have to do according to the rules of
the system. Because when you think about it, look, if
you run a major corporation and you don't throw tons
of money at congressmen and hire an army a lobbys,
you're giving up an advantage to your competitors.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're not going You're right, You're right. I never thought
of it that way.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, instead of One of the things that I
really like about our campaign to get money out of
politics is that it's completely unifying. Not only do we
work to bring Republicans and Democrats together on the basis
of our shared democratic values and our shared needs, but
we we make a point of also not you know,
(22:29):
when Bernie Sanders talked about money in politics, he tended
to demonize wealthy Americans and the business community, and it's
the ninety nine percent against the one percent that as
I see it, it's one hundred percent of Americans against
the money. The money is the enemy of us all
and our fellow Americans are not the enemy. And the
(22:49):
sooner we see that. I'm not saying, of course we
have to have two parties. There has to be partisan conflict,
but the part is an anger has gotten out of
hand and it's not making is happy and it's hard
to govern the country. And I see our campaign as
a way to bring Republicans and Democrats together and to
kind of dial down the anger a bit in our politics.
(23:12):
And you know, so far it's working because I've had about,
i know, thirty eight media appearances, mostly radio and podcasts,
but a handful on CD, all across the spectrum from
very liberal to very conservative. It's like, if I got
all these these these people I've been talking to like
(23:32):
together at one of my dinner parties and politics came up,
they be fighting like cats and dogs, right right right,
But they are they are with me on this and
they love what I'm doing because at the end of
the day, erskine every American is a patriot because every
American believes in the noble ideals which make us a country.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, we need to get we need to get back
to knowing that we're all American and we have to
go on the road to make the country better. And
we've got a little bit different shades of how to
do it. But the fact of the matter is, Uh,
Republicans and Democrats have fought together in various wars for
to sustain this country that we call the United States
(24:14):
of America. There's no reason for us to be as
divided as we are.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fundamentally, there's no good reason. But I would I would
argue that in a number of ways, the money in
politics actually helps divide us.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, I think. I think when you said that, look
at the similarities between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders and
Elizabeth Warren. Uh, the rhetoric. Tone down the rhetoric and
talk about your similarities about your rights, right, I mean,
that's the volumes to me.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's also looked. I mean, for example, I feel like
both political parties use gun ownership, gun rights, and gun
violence as a way to divide the American working class
in middle class against you.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Sure they do. I mean, I'm not saying it's both sides.
They both sides do it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Oh exactly. And look, I mean I used to own
a gun myself, although I'm from New York City, but
I taught college out in Illinois. I actually I owned
a famous gun. You probably know why. It's the famous
I owned a Walter PPK. You remember that. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, the weapon of choice of seven. You know,
I don't own it anymore, but but I get gun ownership.
(25:30):
And the thing is, look, people's gun rights are important,
and gun violence is also a problem, particularly all the
guns suicides we have in this country is a very
tragic thing. But on the other hand, I'll tell you,
the future of our country doesn't depend on what we
do with guns. It depends on we're building the middle class.
It depends on infrastructure, depends on better schools for our children,
(25:52):
it depends on fixing this ridiculous, messed up healthcare system
we've got. And yet whenever there's one of these horrible
mass especially when the victims are children, Democratic politicians rile
up their base. It's red meat for their base, and
they bring in small, dour donations, and Republican politicians go
to their base and say these big city liberals want
(26:14):
to take all your guns away, which is also not true.
And in the meantime, we're getting all angry about this
issue that I'm not saying it's not important. But we've
got bigger fish to fry in this country.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
We really do. We have a homeless situation that's horrible
right now. We need to take care of We all
can unite that this needs to be taken care of.
We've got a drug problem that needs to be taken
care of in this country. These are problems that affect Americans.
We've got a problem with PTSD, especially among the service personnel.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It needs to be taken care of them.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, no, no, And I've said it many times. There
was a place I used to go to in Phoenix
and they had Navy seals there, men, women, black, white, Hispanic,
all all former people who served in the military. And
the guy said, we're sure glad when you come. I
said why, He said, because yours is the only group
(27:13):
that gives us different salad dressings. Now it meant that much.
Oh my god, might sound funny, but it meant that
much that they had different salad dressings. This is to
the point that we're at right now, and these people
is starved by the son of Gregory Peck, and these
people who go there, they turn them around, They preach
(27:34):
to them a little bit. They turn them around, They
tell them that people care. They find them a job,
a good place to live. After living there for oh
two three four months along with other people are having
the same problems because nobody understands your problems like somebody else.
That's the deal with alcoholics, anonymous. Nobody understands an alcoholic
like another alcoholic. So putting them together, they're able to
(27:58):
commiserate with each other, tell stories, and they have a
good time. It's like they're back in the military where
they were happy. And so they are able to form
an adjustment for these people. You know, I don't know
the name of it, but was started by the son
of Gregory Peck. And they've got five or six of
(28:19):
them right. So this is this is Americans coming together
to help Americans. Nobody asks their politics in there. I
don't care if somebody is a Whig, Democratic, Republican, libertarian.
Nobody talks about that. They're talking about fixing broken people.
You people who've had a tough time, And this is
(28:40):
this is what America's about. We need to get our
moral compass and we need to get our compass regarding
virtue back to America because we are a virtuous, moral country.
We've got to get it back right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And I think you know the thing is like, by
setting up this democracy don't system where we the people
pay for the election campaigns instead of letting billionaires and
big business pay for election campaigns, we can bring morality
back to our politics.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Because we can with morality accountability and because there's lots
of e said for the love of money is the
root of all evil. Money isn't the root. It's the
love of money. And if you have the money coming
in to run an effective campaign from your own voters,
given the money, where they will do that. Now, I'll say,
(29:33):
you're going to have a lot of people against it.
You'll have the radio and television stations against it. They
get a lot of money off these ads. You've got
a lot of the corporations who will be against it
because they get a lot of influence off of these ads.
I mean this is it has become a huge industry,
but it's destroying our country.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It is destroying our country. But I'll tell you you
know that the big corporations. Eventually, I mean, I don't
know how long it's going to take me to do this,
but eventually, you know. I think if I can get
into a room with the public affairs people at the
US Chamber of Commerce, or if I can talk to
some CEOs big corporations, I think I can make a
(30:16):
case that this democracy dollar system isn't their interest too,
because even though okay, they're political spending and their lobbying,
it'll get them this or that kind of good, it'll
get them a tax, right, get them ay. But the
thing is what does business most need from every political system.
They need stability and predictability. And that's all about the window.
(30:37):
Because the American people no longer respect politicians, they no
longer trust their government. We have a situation now where
thirty percent of our voters think the electional action was stolen,
and we're in a situation that's incredibly dangerous. And I'm
not saying that to criticize those voters, not at all.
I'm saying that because to me, it's a symptom of
(30:59):
the justifiable mistrust that all Americans feal, or most Americans
feal toward our politicians. It's right that no one who
works in politics has any incentive to help us understand
that it's the money above all that broke the system
because they're taking the money, so they can't explain it
to us. Which is which is where? Which is my
(31:21):
job and my organization, that's what we do. I think
that I could go to the US Chamber of Conference
and say, look, if if you help us make democracy
dollars happen. Okay, you're going to lose this or that
tax break, but you're going to get a political system
that functions again, and you're going to get a country
that your kids are going to want to grow up in. Now.
(31:43):
I mean, I think in a way it had to
get this bad before reform was truly possible. But now
that we have a system where the only people I
think that this money driven system really works for any more,
I guess is maybe the lobbying industry. I think everyone
else we're getting work getting the short ended mistick because
of it, and so I think we can come together, you.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Know, right, And the fact of the matter is the
more money. They say that money is some others milk
and politics, but from ment they're in there, they start
campaigning for more money, and this is not what they're
supposed to be doing. So that you have people who
are selling out for the almighty dollar.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Their congressman has sus seats sitting in, thinking in and
their whole job depends upon their seat. So you've got
to let them be able to think and to do
what's right for the people. They need to have more
town halls, they need to get out and realize that
they have a limited amount of money. They should limit
the amount of money that's spent on congressional campaigns.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Says, since the courts won't let us do that.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
There's no way that you can get that done. They
won't let it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We would we would have to under what pretext institution
to make that possible?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And right rather, what pretext do they say you can't
can't limit the amount of money beings Because back in.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
The seventies the court decided that the case is called
Buckley Vivalo. No one's heard of it, but it's every
every bit as important as Brownbie Board of bed Roe v.
Wade or the Dobs case right here, okay, and what
it did, because in some ways it's the most destructive
Supreme Court decision we've ever had. That's where those geniuses
decided that this money is. It's so free speech, protective
(33:29):
of the First Amendment, and it's so boneheaded you can't
believe it. I mean, it shows you sometimes I feel
and I saw this in the Actors.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's the exact opposite of free speech.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Dan, you know that is it is because because because
some billionaire can drown out my speech in yours right
with one hundred million dollars of political advertisements. So that is, no,
there's no freedom there anymore for us. No, there's only
freedom for him.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
But unfortunately, only freedom for the Bill Gates, only freedom
for the Koch brothers. Both sides got their billionaires and
they're the ones who yell the louds that they've got
the most to spend and they're going to be changing
it and changing policy. And so we need to have
a free discourse not dependent on who has the most bucks.
Daddy Warbucks can't control the government, or shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
And you know what I think riskin is that once
we get this democracy dollars system through, and the only
way it happens is when we when you know, and
you know you're helping me do this by you know,
giving us a platform to share that put this before
the American people. This is fundamentally the democracy Dog's idea
(34:39):
is just it's so common sense, it's fool proof. It's
impossible for the government to mess up in setting up
because how the money is allocated is decentralized to one
hundred and sixty eight million registered voters. The people are
in the saddle. I think this is basically I'm finding
this is an idea that it has appeal across the
(35:01):
aisle politically, across the spectrum. Yes, it's getting what.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
You're Let me let me Christop if just a moment,
what you're talking of. What you're talking about, Dan McMillan,
you're talking about breaking up the control of the country
from the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about,
who are spending the big box military industrial media, pharmaceutical
(35:26):
complex that he warned us about, and returning the power
back to the people. That's all you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's exactly right. It's going back to the Gettysburg address
and the right fathers. That's what it's about government of
buying for the people, not.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Buying for the military industrial complex. That is exactly what
it's about busting up that we were warned about by Eisenhower,
We've been warned about by others, and this is what
you're talking about. We'll have accountability to us, not to them.
Love it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm so glad. And you know the thing is riskin
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It comes in just what we need to to off.
Let me run back, okay. The Biden administration is quickly
moving to implement the liberal fantasy of socialist spending. After
spending a two point one trillion dollars stimulus, the President
and the Democratic led Congress have introduced another three trillion
(36:30):
dollars plan to add to our instrumentable death, seeking to
raise taxes on Americans make as little as two hundred
thousand a year. Have you seen the immigration footage eighty
seven million, putting illegals in hotel rooms and our troops
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I've heard. What Dan mcmill is talking about is returning
the government to we the people, breaking up the military
(37:33):
industrial complex having an ordinate power over us, and returning
it to accountability. This would change everything, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Dam Uh you know, I don't know if it would
change everything, but it would be a mighty first step
or two or three big first steps in the right direction.
And I think if Republicans and Democrats can take the
step together, and we can, judging from the support I'm finding,
then I think we're gonna dial back to anger. We're
going to see that it's easier to work together on
(38:04):
the other challenges.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Halfway through our conversation, I got exactly what you were saying. Well,
I thought about who was ConTroll and what others have
said about they've beaten around the bush. You get right
to the meat of it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Thank you. How many minutes do we have left in
this talkers?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
About three or four?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Well? Can I if I may let me just sort of,
you know, I want to say to our audience, if
they like what we're talking about, what they can do
Because they don't need to march in the street. They
don't even need to give us money, although that would
be nice. I would just say, I mean, it's nice,
but you know, in a way, it's just a question
I think of spreading the word and overcoming the feeling
(38:45):
of powerlessness and hopelessness that that so many Americans suffer
when it comes to politics today, because no one in
politics is offering them a concrete step toward a better future.
And let me think that this democracy dolls reformed. Is
that kind of concrete step that we can agree on.
And so I would ask if what I'm saying makes
(39:07):
any sense to you, please go to our website, Save
Democracy in America dot org, Save Democracy in America dot org.
Take a look at it. There are links to my interviews.
We've got a couple of videos, there's some faques, and
if you like what you see, please share it with
your friends and your relatives and your coworkers, because you know,
(39:31):
I come on on Erskine Show and other shows and
I make my best case. But you and the audience.
You don't know me from Adam and yes, because because
Erskine is a lot invited me on the show. That
gives me some validation. But you can provide this idea
with some more powerful validation, because no message is more
(39:53):
stronger than one that comes from someone you trust. And
if you say to your you know, your sister, your cousin,
your coworker, Hey, this democracy dollars idea looks pretty interesting.
Check out this website. That message from you is one
hundred times more powerful than it will ever be coming
from me. You know, we all feel powerless in our politics,
(40:15):
and to a large degree we are powerless, but not
one hundred percent. They still need our vote to get
in And if you can spend even five minutes a
week spreading our word, you really can have an impact
to move the ball down the field. And so I
really encourage you to do that. I'd be very grateful.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Republicans and Democrats both know that there are major problems
that need to be we can come together. We can
actually come together to fix them and to fix this.
That doesn't mean we're going to agree on everything. Now,
We're going to agree on one thing that we're all Americans,
and we want to save America and we want to
power back to the people. That's what we can agree on,
(40:51):
and you've got ways to do it now. All of
our programs are archived twenty four to seven at Truthexpressradio
dot com. So go back, tell your friends to listen
to this hour with Dan McMillan, and it's all archive
twenty four to seven there. So, and if you go
up to Truth Expressradio dot com, it has saved democracy
(41:12):
and America dot org and also your website, Doctor McMillan
dot com. Both of them have great information. So it's
all archives up there. Send your friends up there, look
a look at what he's proposing, and spread it around.
This is going to be a grassroots wildfire. If we
start spreading it around. That's going to be done with
(41:34):
big money. It's going to be done with you telling
your friends to your other friends. It's going to be
done by word of mouth to people. That's going to
be the most important because they believe in what you're saying, saying, Hey,
look I just came brough something that could save the
whole country, make a major change. But we never agreed
on anything politically. You'll agree on this so much.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Can I really appreciate the vote of confidence and your support,
having your support, I mean, there's so many people who
trust you and respect you. Having you say this to
them really helps us a lot.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
We're going to do it, Dan, we have to. It's
for America, is for our children and ourselves that we've
got to do this. We can't be going down the
same divisive road. We've got to bring our country together. Well.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I couldn't have said it better myself. Bless you.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Thank you for being on and I want you to
come back and talk about how this how could this happen?
The Holocaust?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I'd like to come back when whenever you'll have me
risk and you just say the word, thank you, doctor.
You think so much God bless you, Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Sir, and we'll be right back after these words.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
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