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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wow, there's the Truth Express Radio show. Have a lineup
for you tonight. We've got a terrific program. We're going
to start off with George Carneille, who's going to talk
about these schools and how they are grooming children. Yes,
grooming children, you've heard about it. He knows it's from
the inside out. We're also going to talk with Patrick Basham,
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who's going to talk about from Democracy Institute, how the
election's going, what are the percentages, what's happening. He's the
best poster I know. And then David Spring talking about
cod heck of a good show for us. George Carneille
is the author of From Queer to Christ. He grew
up in the seventies. He is raised by a Southern
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Baptist minister in the ultra conservative Bible Belt, spent twenty
five years in the homosexual lifestyle in La. His stories
about the journey, deliverance and hope Jesus Christ. He also
understands what's going on. He understands the depth of what's
happening in our country and how what we've got going
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is more than just a lifestyle or sexual differences. It
goes much more than that. It is about the heart
and soul and the morality of our country. George, welcome
to Express the Truth Express Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Thank you are a skin I'm glad to be back now.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Years ago, years ago, you were walking to a gay bar.
I think that was in Florida, if I'm not mistaken,
called the Oasis, or I think it was the Copah. Yeah, uh,
it was the call the Copah. And you had someone
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talk to you. This person talked to you. You had
no question who it was. What did they say?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The sound of everything around me was turned down, and
I knew that the Lord was speaking in my ear
when he said, if you were to die tonight, would
you go to Hell? And that really stopped me in
my tracks. But at that time, I was so deeply
entrenched in that lifestyle and just had been ingrained to
believe by Christians that God hated me and that all
facts were going to hell. Then I just dismissed his voice.
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But by the grace of God, I'm so glad he
didn't take my life that night, because I really don't
know where I would have spent eternity.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The thing about it is some people it takes a feather,
and some people take two by four. He whipped you
over the head with a two by four. God cared
enough to talk to you specifically because he had great
things to design for you. The next day, you were
very close. You were thinking, I really don't think I
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can live your rage commits suicide. You considered it, and
another phone call came to you. Came from a man
of God, came from your father. All of the blue.
You were estrange and he looked at you and said
something that I thought was beautiful. Almost cried when I
read this. He looked at you aw the blue. Your
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minister father called and said, son, it's time to come home.
He meant that in two ways, come home to Jesus
and come home to your family. Yes, it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I actually did attempt suicide, but there were numerous
times after that where I was close to doing it again.
But it's amazing how God would always intervene at that
moment and have my to reach out to me or
someone else Christians who were diligently praying for me. So
God really had his hand on my life. Even though
I really thought he hated me, He's been really good
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to me.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, he cared enough to come out and touch you.
I've heard this happen to so many people that it
happens if you're open to God. You were a good
person the whole time, but you just were on the
wrong path. Your book is not attacked on the LGBT community.
It's not attack on churches. It's your experiences. We call
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that testimony. And this is what was really interesting to
read this. And so you had a very personal relationship
with God. A lot of people haven't. A lot of
people don't. They dismissed God. And to a degree, the
entire sexual revolution that's happening was done by a man
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who was wanted to rid the world of Christ of
the Judeo Christian morality. And that was a guy named Kenzie.
He wanted to read the World of Morality and all
of that. I mean, it's really a sixth story if
you read it. But this is this is where a
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lot of it came from. Was Kenzie. This is this
is really wrong. So people need to realize where it
started from. It started in immorality, actually, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yes, And it's amazing. In the LGBT community, he's really
lifted up as a hero. But it wasn't until I
got out of that life and once I started hearing
the truth about who that man was, I was completely
blindsided and I realized, Man, what else have I been
liked to about when it comes to the LGBT community,
the activism, and of course the liberal theologians. So it
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really did send me on a search for truth.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, the the research he did was primarily on felons
and people in hospitals and that type of thing. It
was on the general public. It wasn't even true. Most
of the researchers came out and they said, this is
not right, very disturbing. What he did as a scientist
at Indiana University, he was not good, but he sold
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three cours of many copies of his book, Behavior of Behavior,
book called Men First and then Women Next. I mean,
this was the rage during the fifties, sixties, even into
the seventies, wasn't It's a shame that they build things
on lies, especially with medicine, Isn't it correct?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But that's what you do when you are trying to
propagate lies and push an agenda.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And he was a zoologist. That's what's so weird. He
was a zoologist at Indiana University and his book Sexual
Behavior of the Human Male, Sexual Behavior of the Human Female.
I mean if he were talking about animals, yeah, but
he wasn't. I mean, this was absolutely incredible. Now, when
you had your experience, have you talked to others who've
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had the same experience with God talking with them?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Definitely? There are x LGBT individuals who've had such either
similar experiences or God has done even more miraculous things.
And I just kind of laugh at times because I
realized God does have a sense of humor, and he's
very talking about how he will get somebody's attention. That's
why I would always say to Christians, no matter how
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bad things may seem, especially if you have children in
that lifestyle, don't give up and don't be discouraged. You know,
it's nothing that God can't handle. And God is funny
about how he moves and he'll get their attention. He
did it to me, and he'll get their attention as well.
You have the power in prayer. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The thing that's happening now is the recruiting of children.
This has been a really terrible thing that's happening in
the school system, and they're taking children away from their parents,
and they're saying that the schools control the children, not
the parents. This is wrong on every level. And children
are to honor their father and mother. We're going to
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get into that a little bit. How this whole new
system has broken down the Judeo Christian belief system and
the morality that we had honor thy father and mother.
They're doing away with that. You go in the schools,
we control you. That's what they're telling a lot of
the parents, and parents are rebelling. They're rebelling against the
woke children, the children being woke in the schools. The
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other thing that they're doing is promoting socialism, which is equity.
Equity is basically coveting what other people have. They shall
not covet. They're talking about abortion, they shall not kill.
Have they gone through every commandment? George.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Now we're still waiting for best reality pedophilia, and I'm
sure there will be other things that will come up big.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
With the people coming across on the border, they're bringing
children over four petty yeah, and then they're also having
the adrenochrome that they're using children for. But I don't
think we're supposed to talk about that one. But the
thing is really the pedophilia. I've never heard about it
being this big. I thought a lot of this was
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just phony where they were talking about using children for this,
But no, I talked to a couple FBI agents back
when you could, and they said, yes, ever is real.
And people know that they've got Church of Satan operating
setting up in schools, They've got a right to open
up a Church of Satan. This is incredible stuff. This
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is not what the country has founded on, and it
will not survive under this type of a system. I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, notice they criminalize everything that's godly and that is
according to God's word. But everything that is perverted and
twisted they lift up is moral and to be accepted.
And we need to not judge, and we need to
love everybody and let people live as they want to live.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Such hypocrisy, oh, absolutely. When you don't have police, you
don't have any of gods being in control, you have
no restraints. Then you have anarchy and you no longer
have a reason to have a country. You no longer
have a reason to have a border. This is just
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absolutely terrible. But when you're talking about the schools, they're
going to have to start there because that's where they're
starting with our children, and that's where they're destroying our
children is in the school system. I would be hesitant
to send a child to a public school today. If
you have children, would you send them to public school?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't think so, absolutely not. I wouldn't even allow
them to go to a liberal university or college. In fact,
I would tell them, if you choose to go to one,
you're not getting one dime for me. I will not
support the destruction of your mind. Now, if you go
to a Bible fundamentalist Christian college, one that has been
vetted and hasn't been compromised, I'm happy to help you
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where I can. Parents must get their children out of
the public school systems now because they are no longer
about teaching ABCS one, two three. They are indoctrination indoctrination in.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Doctrination center f you're and simple indoctrination centers. You wrote
an article drag Queen Groom's children at a woke church.
So even with the churches, do you have a chance
anyone who takes the time to listen to drag queen pastor.
Drag queen pastor, and this person is a pastor and
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a drag queen named miss Penny cost. Now that is
absolute heresy to name yourself Penny Costs a drag queen.
I mean, that is a slap on everybody who's a Christian.
And Isaac Simmons should be ashamed of himself for doing
such a thing. But this is what they're doing. They're
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trying to reach out or do something. I don't know
what they're trying to do. But even in the churches,
they are churches that are It's one thing to be accepting,
it's another thing to be condoning correct.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And if you'll notice, they don't pull this craft in
the mosque and the synagogues. They don't do it in
the christ churches. And even in the public school system.
You know in Dearborn, Michigan, the Muslim parents along with
some Christians fought against that woke school board and I
think they prevailed in getting that woke, sexy curriculum out
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of the school system. But this shows you how cowardly
Christians have become an apathetic, lukewarm. They don't care. They
have no fear of God. They don't try to fight
for the children. So now the mester in.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Absolutely absolutely. Now what do you when you look at
this and you look at what's happening in the country.
I think we're going to have a spiritual reawakening. People
should be turning to Jesus at this point because there's
nowhere else to turn. You can't trust your government, you
can't trust anything else. It's all we ever had to trust.
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But people are having to realize that this is happening.
I think that I was praying that under this COVID
thing where they were shutting down shutting down churches, but
they were leaving other places like vaping places and marijulda
dispensaries and all sorts of different things open. During this,
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I thought people would wake up and start to accept
Jesus in their heart. But this didn't really happen to
a large degree, did it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No. I mean, you could go to a liquor store
or go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They were open. They were open, George, we're talking more abound.
We were reserved.
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
Today, I'm going to list a couple of chapters in
your book, and one of them is I thought the
these were absolutely fabulous. One of them Hello Darkness, Mild Friend.
A lot of song titles here, and last chapter is
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Knocking on Heaven's Store. I love that song. Knock knocking
on Heaven's store, and you had a lot of song titles.
Because what you're doing is this helped you. You went
through you studied other religions. You studied Hinduism and other religions,
Didnew George, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The Occult and New Age as well.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, right, So by studying that you had a real
balance and you saw how maybe in some instances God
came to other people. Right.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yes, I think the blessing in that earth schine is
that it allowed me to understand the verbiage. So right,
as you know, the churches are now compromised and a
lot of New Age Hindu teachings are being implemented in
the churches. I'm able to recognize when someone speaks there
are certain terms and words that they will use, which
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really helps me identify who the wolves and sheep's clothing are.
So at least it was a blessing that God allowed
me to at least learn a hard lesson but gain
some experience from it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That is really something, because how do you understand your enemy.
You have to study them, and very few people do that.
They just can bring in whatever they want to because
there are not that many people who study comparative religions.
But I think it's a very very good thing to do.
I thought that you were doing it basically to see
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which would be the true God. But you never were
confused on that, were you.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
This is the funny thing. I always God. It was
settled in my heart that there was a God and
that Jesus was the all sufficient Savior. The only reason
why I studied those other religions was because Christians had
led me to believe God hated me because I was
a fag, so or I was trying to get to
God through another source. It wasn't that I ever would
have worshiped Satan, but I just wanted. I would say
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I had such an inquisitive mind and I was really searching.
I was trying to develop my own brand of spirituality.
But thankfully God was patient and exposed the whole the
lives of those world religions, which really led me back
to Christ. But the issue was with God was telling me, oh, no,
you've got to go back into the Church, and I
didn't want to because I hated Christians and I didn't
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want to be around them. But thankfully God put some
really good Christians in my life who had the heart
of Christ and he slowly immersed me back into the church.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
A while. Of the turn offs to a lot of
people as a hypocrisy in the Christian church, a lot
of hypocrisy, A lot of it is done for money, money,
by this and by that, and you'll be healed and
all of this type of stuff. And a lot of
people say, no, I don't want anything to do with that.
That doesn't make sense to me. And it really doesn't
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to me either. You know, God's never really come directly
and asking we've got to have money for this and
money for that. When you look at the hypocrisy, and
a lot of Christians are down on that and they
are against what's happening in the churches. So that has
really turned a lot of people off. But like a
friend of mine, Aubrey Schein and says, if the church
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isn't preaching number one the Gospel, and if they are
not preaching American exceptionalism, get out that church. It's not good.
There are a lot of few clues like that that
people are can have. What would you say about a
good church versus an bioll church? Void?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If a church, if a pastor is not preaching the truth,
of God's word. Yes, God is love, but they always
leave out the wrath and the judgment of God that
is equally as important. So if the pastor is not
talking about the wrath and the judgment and the seriousness
of sin and how we need to repent and come
to Christ, but he does it and love. You know,
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if he's going to stand up there and rail against
the sin of homosexuals, make sure you devote just as
much time and into the sin of heterosexuals. So it's
about being fair and calling out all sin. And I'll
tell you the other thing that really burns me up
when I was trying to get out of that lifestyle.
But why I hated Christians was because so many Christians
walk around with this attitude of superiority and that their
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life is together. And what I like is authenticity. And
when people stop with their gains and their nonsense and
their crap, because nobody has it together. Everybody's got baggage.
Why don't we start being real and allowing Christians who
are struggling to be able to say to members of
the church, this is my area of struggle. Can you
pray for me? And we start being real and helping
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lift our brothers in the chicken products.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's wonderful as fire as struggle. Can you pray for me?
We'll be right back, was George Carnelle.
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Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now George's book Queer to Christ is available in Amazon
and other places, and the other website is George Carnell
carn eal dot com. All available at Truth Express Radio
dot com. Now, one of the things that you talk
about is the law, and you're very big on the laws.
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And Matthew, Mark and Luke talk about the law. God
loves you if you follow God's laws. If you follow
God's laws. But by the same token, John says, God
still loves the world. They gave his only begotten son,
So there's not a whole lot mentioned about the law there.
I'll go with three out of four who want you
to follow the laws. God doesn't make it complicated. I mean,
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this isn't rocket science. He says, do this and you'll
be having a better life. It works out, doesn't it, George,
And you have really I don't know how many. You've
probably helped more people than you ever realized.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I hope. So, I mean God gets the glory, of course,
But I will say that when you stop doing what
God's word defines his wicked, whatever that is, and you
start doing what he defines is good and what's right
and just and fair, I'm telling you God will give
you a peace in your life, and I'm telling you
my life is so much more peaceful and much more calmer,
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and I really have a wonderful relationship with God. It
doesn't mean that I don't have my areas of struggle,
and I have my doubts at times. And you know,
we're all human. We deal with life. But it's so
much far better walking with God than walking in the
LGBT lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Let me ask you forget for a moment the LGBTQ,
whatever the alphabet lifestyle in the world today, we've been
lied to about COVID, We've been lied to about one
thing on top of another, and the country has drifted
away from Jesus, from the Judeo Christian We have got
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so many problems. A lot of people are really really
becoming anxious. It's like we have a collective pts. When
people are driving down the road. They used to run
through yellow lights. Now they're running through red lights. People
don't care. The crime is through the roof. Well know,
all of this is there a way. I think the
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only way that we're going to get back is to
restore our Judeo Christian sense of morality and sense of
right and wrong back into this country. We don't have
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, the problem, Riskine, is that everybody's looking for Trump
to be the savior. But what we have to realize
is that we allowed this country to get to the
place that it is. This is Christians who have sat
back and taken a back seat and let society and
the laws dictate to us what we need to do
instead of us dictating to them the moral and the
right way. And what we have to do first as
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Christians is repent and ask God to forgive us where
we failed. And there needs to be a revival even
in the Christian community of where we get our hearts right,
and then we might see this ship turn around. But otherwise,
if people want to sit around and not own they're
part in this and not repent and ask God to
forgive them for supporting this woke agenda, I don't think
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this thing's going to turn around. There's no milling something.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We really have to do something for the survival of
the not only the country, but of the world. A
lot of people said, well, are we in the final days? Well,
if you're reading it, we very well could be.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Couldn't wait, George, Yes, I'm hoping God won't turn it around.
But at the same time, if we are, that just
means Jesus is returning quicker than we anticipate, and I'm
looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, he's not gonna come back friendly. I mean, you'll
come back as a warrior. So that's that's something that
we have to look forward to. Either way. God's in
controls what you're saying, right, Yes he is.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He's on the throne, So it's gonna it's gonna be fine.
We know who wins.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, your brothers and sisters who are in not necessarily
just a gay lifestyle, but into much more than that.
And there's groups within their gay community who are totally
opposed to this indoctrinating children. When you get into the
children and doctrination, and you get into the drug companies
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giving them the hormone blockers, and you're going through the mutilation.
Children should never go through anything like that, even if
they want to, wait till they get to be at
least eighteen, wait till they have good psychological testing. They
are destroying our children with us. I think, what do
you think, George, For the.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Sake of time, I would tell every Christian who wants
to understand the horror and the nightmares of this transgender agenda,
go to YouTube and type in transition, transition, regret and
listen to those young boys and girls talk about what
has happened to their life, such heartbreaking stories. How let
their words do the talking. Any Christian who supports this
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quote woke agenda, shame on you, because, let me reiterate,
God says he knew us when he formed us in
the wound. God does not make mistakes when assigning our agenda.
And when we support this, the Democrat Party and their
policies and this transagenda, we are, in essence saying to
God that you made the mistake and we are going
to correct it, and you're not going to get away
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with it. It is a slap in his face. To
do that and to support it. Stop it insanity.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't think God makes mistakes.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
No, he doesn't. The whole thing burns me up because
erskine because having been in the life, I've personally seen
the damage that this agenda has done to so many people.
It's a very personal issue for me. So people who
are on the outside who have no idea what that
life is really like. The media, Hollywood everyone they are
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lying to you. Listen to those of us who lived
that life, and we can tell you the horror story.
My book is not X rated, but it's not. I
don't sugarcoat that life. It's a horrific, hellish lifestyle being in.
I don't care what anyone tells you. And if there
are any LGBT individuals who are thinking of going into
that life and you think it's fun and that's how
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you feel, you have a lifetime of heartache waiting for
you because it's a dead end road. You will never
find peace and joy in that life. So stop blaming Christians,
stop blaming society, stop playing the victim. It's the fact
that you are being sinfle and doing something that God
deems wicked, and He's never going to allow you to
have peace doing it. There's no peace at the end
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of that road. And listen to somebody who's been there.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
God does have a plan for each of our lives,
doesn't he. Yes, he does, and you were given your
plan and He told you directly. Now other people say
God's ever talked to me, Well, maybe you just don't
shut up long enough to listen. Because God does talk
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to us, and he talks to us in very strange ways,
because different people hear things different ways, don't they. Yes,
and yours was kind of along the road, was almost
like like when Jesus appeared to the people along the
road and said I'm here, I'm real. That's what God
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did to you, said I'm here, I'm real. And when
this happened, you still kept on the same path until
you couldn't anymore. You were just forced to either accept
and go with God or your life was over as
you knew it. You couldn't go any further. There are
a lot of people who've reached that end of the road,
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a lot of people you need to touch out and
reach and say, look, no matter how bad it is,
God still loves you. No matter what, God still loves you.
And that's important for people to know today, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yes? And I want those LGBT individuals or anyone who's
in bondage and you feel like a piece of garbage
and you want to commit suicide, I beg you to
just give Jesus a chance, because I'm telling you God
does love you, and Jesus paid all of your sin
debt on the cross, and if he can turn my
life around and bring people out of the porn industry,
out of the occult, out of Satanism and so many
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other horrific things. God is in the saving and the
deliverance business. He loves you. Do not listen to the lies.
Get in touch with those of us who've been through it,
or pastors who have the heart of Christ, and reach
out and talk to someone. Know that you are not
alone and there is hope.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Now, if you're an adult and you want to go
see a drag shore or something like that, that's fine
if somebody. Now, most children, most children wonder what it's
like to be, you know, one day they want be
a cat, the next day they want a girl may
want to be a boy, the next day she may
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want be a fireman. People kids go through that, They
go through different different fantasies as to what sex they are,
what animal they'd like to be. But those are fantasies.
They aren't anything that are generally acted on. And this
is something that they have to realize. People have to realize.
But if you get in round of these wrong schools,
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that you could be making a decision that would affect
their life for the rest of their rest of their life.
You could be absolutely a lot of these children that
you're going to see a rash. I think of suicides
as it goes on, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yes, I know so many people who've committed suicide. I'm
telling you it's the lifestyle is so difficult. It's so difficult.
It is such a hellish life. And I can't even
imagine this generation of children whose minds have been destroyed
with this agenda, the repercussions of what we are going
to see in another ten to twenty years in this country.
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It's frightening.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Does to drain your soul? Is that a good way
to put it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yes, that's a great way to put in.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
As the lifestyle itself drains your soul. You don't feel
like you are complete, and that is something that a
lot of people feel. I wonder, you know, I wonder
about a lot of people. See what they're doing and
what they're saying. They can't have souls. It's what we're
talking about, George. I think is something that's come over
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this country and over the world, and we've talked a
lot about it. In terms of the COVID and everything else.
We have luciferians who are in control I don't think
there's any question about that. If you really don't call
it what it is, then you're doing a big disservice.
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This is what it is, ladies and gentlemen. We have
Luciferians in control. They may not look that way or
anything else, but that's exactly what's happening. We've got a
president who the first thing he wants to do to
help our country is a sign an abortion bill. I mean,
this is what most people are worried about. No, that's
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only five percent. Most people are worried about having food
on their table, Most people are worried about what the
cost of everything. Is happening that most people are worried
about the crime rate. But he wants to sign that
abortion bill, and he calls himself a good Catholic. George,
This doesn't make any sense at all. He calls himself
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a good Catholic and says that Nancy Pelosi is a
good Catholic. And the very first thing he says, if
we get back here and we have this we have
republic Democrat majority, we're going I'm going to sign the
abortion bill. Well, you know, it isn't most people's major concern.
And if that's what he's most worried about. In this world.
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We've got a problem, don't we exactly?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And not to mention that those cent trillions of dollars
to support Ukraine, but what about our events and our
seniors who are struggling in this country and the American people.
They'll let the illegals cross the border and they get
the red carpet rolled out to the end of our.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Night for rooms in New York. That's where they're bringing
the illegals. But I went over to a veteran's facility
here and they have people who are Navy seals who
are homeless. You could go down any streets anywhere. Are
they helping the people who are on drugs? A lot
of the homeless are on drugs. Are they getting them off? No,
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They're wanting to set up injection sites. They're wanting to
keep people under servitude and under bondage. This is what
Lucifer would do, keeps them underserved, to keeps them under bondage.
This is exactly what would happen. We want freedom. We
want people to be free, don't we, George right.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
We want fairness too, and things to be done right.
If people want to come to this country, come the
legal waste that we can vet you. And I'm just
really sick and tired of the Democrats taking care of
the whole world, but they let our the American people
suffer in poverty, and seniors who can't even afford medications
that they need in the vets gets to get the
medical help that they need and to find sheltered. It
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infuriates me and I don't know how anyone with a
brain can continue voting Democrat.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well. The other thing is people say, well, the poor
people there, they're coming over here for a better lifestyle
and everything else. And yes, that may be the case,
but the way it's happening, the children are being sold
into bondage. We've got pedophilia going like crazy of people
coming over. I mean, this is not right to them.
You know that, I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right, But America can't take care of the world. What
they need to do is no, we.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Can't take care of them, and we don't have a border,
we don't have a country.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, they need to go back to the countries where
the governments are corrupt and deal with that to then
get a group of people in there who will care
about its citizens. The whole world cannot come to the US.
We cannot take care of the world. We're just not
set up that way.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No, we aren't, No we aren't. People in America are
working too hard just to keep their own heads above
water without taking care of the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Exactly. It's not to be cold, but other this needs
to be handled differently, and it's it's just sad. What's
going on?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now? Are you your working in ministry now, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes? I am.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Now tell a little bit about that. And you're also
available for lectures and speeches ay where the people watch
you tell a little bit about what you've been doing
with your ministry.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Well, they can go to my website to get more information. Again,
it's George carneal c A R. N asonance e a
l dot com. They'll see a lot of information there.
In email address where they can contact me, there's a
donate section. I would appreciate anyone who would care to
support the ministry because I don't beg for donations. I
don't send out solicitations. It's really just love offerings that
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the Good Lord will bring in from various people, and
I could use that support. I have a YouTube channel
and again if you can, if you want me to
come to speak at churches or conferences to sound the alarm,
to really just share what the reality of that life
is like, I'm happy to do. So please reach out
and you'll see a list of churches and conferences I've
spoken at on my website. So we've had nothing but
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positive responses and people really appreciate the information. And it's
just a much needed ministry because the media will not
cover stories like mine to let the LGBT individuals know
that there is a different narrative and that people are
successfully walking out.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Of that life. Absolutely, and you're available to go to
other churches, other places where you feel like if people
need need some help, you're there to help people. This
is something beautiful as you've done. This is your ministry
right now, is to help others in this It's a
ministry that I think Jesus.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Christ for the follow themselves, thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We'll be right now.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
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Speaker 2 (37:54):
Now institutionalized grooming of children, and by grooming, we are
talking about convincing them or laying children be whatever sex
they want, whatever they're doing, and whatever thou will shall
be the hold of the law. This is wrong on
every level and it is going to affect them for
the rest of their lives. We have to be awake.
(38:17):
Parents have to be awake, and they've got to be
working with the school boards on this. And if your
school board won't listen to you, then vote them out.
Vote them out as quickly as possible, and you have
a quote by God clearly states in Second Peter, verse
three nine, the Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
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as some men colt slackness, but is long suffering towards us,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should
come to repentance. It's an invitation for everybody. It isn't
just for some no matter how long you've been into
that type of a lifestyle. It is open for everybody
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to repent, to come and enjoy life, to be one
with God. Eternity is a long time, a long time,
and you've seen that a lot of people turn around, George,
and I don't think you find the people who turn
around and repent of their lifestyle ever commiting suicide or
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ever becoming suicidal. They are blessed, aren't they correct.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm telling you the peace alone is worth it. And
I would say to anyone out there who's struggling with
the sexual addiction, just ask yourself, have you slept with
anyone that would make it worth going to hell for?
And being apart from God for eternity. No one is
worth it, No sin is worth it, No drugs, sex, party, now, pornography.
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Nothing is worth an eternity in hell. It's time for
us to repent, which means turn from start following the Lord.
Let's get our loved one saved, and let's share the gospel.
Stop being timid and start standing up against this woke
agenda and start taking our country back.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You're absolutely right, George A. Wall. Thank you for being
on that walth. Thank you for presenting your message. It's
a message that we need to hear. And thank you
for being my friend, because I've learned a lot by
talking with you about this. It's it's a I feel
very very sorry for the people who are in this lifestyle.
It's it's I actually do feel sorry for them. I
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know you do too, I do.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I appreciate the conversation and the dialogue, and yet those
people no matter. It's okay to hate the agenda, but
love those individuals and help them because they're hurting, they
are broken. God loves them and Jesus died for them.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Have compassion, Hate the agenda, but love the people. Yes,
And that's so critical and when you're checking out a church,
check out one that follows the gospel. Check out one
that follows the laws, and not one that just follows
the money. It's a lot easier, but Jesus didn't make
it easy. As a matter of fact, he was roughest
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his own apostles. God never said it would be easy.
God said it would be fulfilling and would be joyful
in the end. Never said it'd be easy to follow.
Nothing worthwhile it comes that easy, does it?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Correct? But it's worth it. The eternal reward is going
to be worth.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It, and your reward here on earth too, because you're
going to feel better about yourself and everything else. So
if we could leave you with one message, considerate, consider
turning to God, considered turing to Jesus. If we can
get this done, and the nation concerned to Jesus, we've
got a chance, We've got hope. Without that, we have
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no hope. So his book is called from Queer to Christ,
and it is an amazing journey that you've taken. A
lot of people have taken it, and it also give
you a much better understanding about others who are in
this lifestyle. It can help you understand not to be
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critical of, but for you to be understanding of. That's
what's important is these people need understanding more than anything.
All say, George, yes, any individual, but understanding.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yes. People are hurting and they are broken. Have compassion,
get to know them, gain their trust, and help them
walk with them on this journey, and pour love into them,
and especially reveal to them the love that God has
for them and what Jesus did on the Cross. There's
no better message. And I hope the LGBT and individuals
who are listening to this will take this message to heart.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I know one thing, I know, your Southern Baptist father
would be so proud to see you where you are.
He got to see you where you are, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yes, he did. He's very proud, And I'm glad the
Good Lord allowed us a time to have healing from
all that I went through and to be where I
am today. So God has been wonderful, full and gracious
and merciful.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It made a big difference, made a different difference in
your life. I'm sure it made a big difference in
your father's life. He was steadfast through how.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
His whole life wasn't absolutely prayer, work.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
And That's why you not only heard from God, but
you heard from your father, a very propitious mother. God
bless you, George.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I think you are seen company.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wow, there's the Truth Express Radio show. Have a lineup
for you tonight. We've got a terrific program. We're going
to start off with George Carneille, who's going to talk
about these schools and how they are grooming children. Yes,
grooming children, you've heard about it. He knows it's from
the inside out. We're also going to talk with Patrick Basham,
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who's going to talk about from Democracy Institute, how the
election's going, what are the percentages, what's happening. He's the
best poster I know. And then David Spring talking about
cod heck of a good show for us. George Carneille
is the author of From Queer to Christ. He grew
up in the seventies. He is raised by a Southern
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Baptist minister in the ultra conservative Bible Belt, spent twenty
five years in the homosexual lifestyle in La. His stories
about the journey, deliverance and hope Jesus Christ. He also
understands what's going on. He understands the depth of what's
happening in our country and how what we've got going
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is more than just a lifestyle or sexual differences. It
goes much more than that. It is about the heart
and soul and the morality of our country. George, welcome
to Express the Truth Express Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Thank you are a skin I'm glad to be back now.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Years ago, years ago, you were walking to a gay bar.
I think that was in Florida, if I'm not mistaken,
called the Oasis, or I think it was the Copah. Yeah, uh,
it was the call the Copah. And you had someone
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talk to you. This person talked to you. You had
no question who it was. What did they say?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The sound of everything around me was turned down, and
I knew that the Lord was speaking in my ear
when he said, if you were to die tonight, would
you go to Hell? And that really stopped me in
my tracks. But at that time, I was so deeply
entrenched in that lifestyle and just had been ingrained to
believe by Christians that God hated me and that all
facts were going to hell. Then I just dismissed his voice.
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But by the grace of God, I'm so glad he
didn't take my life that night, because I really don't
know where I would have spent eternity.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The thing about it is some people it takes a feather,
and some people take two by four. He whipped you
over the head with a two by four. God cared
enough to talk to you specifically because he had great
things to design for you. The next day, you were
very close. You were thinking, I really don't think I
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can live your rage commits suicide. You considered it, and
another phone call came to you. Came from a man
of God, came from your father. All of the blue.
You were estrange and he looked at you and said
something that I thought was beautiful. Almost cried when I
read this. He looked at you aw the blue. Your
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minister father called and said, son, it's time to come home.
He meant that in two ways, come home to Jesus
and come home to your family. Yes, it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I actually did attempt suicide, but there were numerous
times after that where I was close to doing it again.
But it's amazing how God would always intervene at that
moment and have my to reach out to me or
someone else Christians who were diligently praying for me. So
God really had his hand on my life. Even though
I really thought he hated me, He's been really good
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to me.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, he cared enough to come out and touch you.
I've heard this happen to so many people that it
happens if you're open to God. You were a good
person the whole time, but you just were on the
wrong path. Your book is not attacked on the LGBT community.
It's not attack on churches. It's your experiences. We call
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that testimony. And this is what was really interesting to
read this. And so you had a very personal relationship
with God. A lot of people haven't. A lot of
people don't. They dismissed God. And to a degree, the
entire sexual revolution that's happening was done by a man
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who was wanted to rid the world of Christ of
the Judeo Christian morality. And that was a guy named Kenzie.
He wanted to read the World of Morality and all
of that. I mean, it's really a sixth story if
you read it. But this is this is where a
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lot of it came from. Was Kenzie. This is this
is really wrong. So people need to realize where it
started from. It started in immorality, actually, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yes, And it's amazing. In the LGBT community, he's really
lifted up as a hero. But it wasn't until I
got out of that life and once I started hearing
the truth about who that man was, I was completely
blindsided and I realized, Man, what else have I been
liked to about when it comes to the LGBT community,
the activism, and of course the liberal theologians. So it
(05:49):
really did send me on a search for truth.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, the the research he did was primarily on felons
and people in hospitals and that type of thing. It
was on the general public. It wasn't even true. Most
of the researchers came out and they said, this is
not right, very disturbing. What he did as a scientist
at Indiana University, he was not good, but he sold
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three cours of many copies of his book, Behavior of Behavior,
book called Men First and then Women Next. I mean,
this was the rage during the fifties, sixties, even into
the seventies, wasn't It's a shame that they build things
on lies, especially with medicine, Isn't it correct?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But that's what you do when you are trying to
propagate lies and push an agenda.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And he was a zoologist. That's what's so weird. He
was a zoologist at Indiana University and his book Sexual
Behavior of the Human Male, Sexual Behavior of the Human Female.
I mean if he were talking about animals, yeah, but
he wasn't. I mean, this was absolutely incredible. Now, when
you had your experience, have you talked to others who've
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had the same experience with God talking with them?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Definitely? There are x LGBT individuals who've had such either
similar experiences or God has done even more miraculous things.
And I just kind of laugh at times because I
realized God does have a sense of humor, and he's
very talking about how he will get somebody's attention. That's
why I would always say to Christians, no matter how
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bad things may seem, especially if you have children in
that lifestyle, don't give up and don't be discouraged. You know,
it's nothing that God can't handle. And God is funny
about how he moves and he'll get their attention. He
did it to me, and he'll get their attention as well.
You have the power in prayer. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The thing that's happening now is the recruiting of children.
This has been a really terrible thing that's happening in
the school system, and they're taking children away from their parents,
and they're saying that the schools control the children, not
the parents. This is wrong on every level. And children
are to honor their father and mother. We're going to
(08:08):
get into that a little bit. How this whole new
system has broken down the Judeo Christian belief system and
the morality that we had honor thy father and mother.
They're doing away with that. You go in the schools,
we control you. That's what they're telling a lot of
the parents, and parents are rebelling. They're rebelling against the
woke children, the children being woke in the schools. The
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other thing that they're doing is promoting socialism, which is equity.
Equity is basically coveting what other people have. They shall
not covet. They're talking about abortion, they shall not kill.
Have they gone through every commandment? George.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Now we're still waiting for best reality pedophilia, and I'm
sure there will be other things that will come up big.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
With the people coming across on the border, they're bringing
children over four petty yeah, and then they're also having
the adrenochrome that they're using children for. But I don't
think we're supposed to talk about that one. But the
thing is really the pedophilia. I've never heard about it
being this big. I thought a lot of this was
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just phony where they were talking about using children for this,
But no, I talked to a couple FBI agents back
when you could, and they said, yes, ever is real.
And people know that they've got Church of Satan operating
setting up in schools, They've got a right to open
up a Church of Satan. This is incredible stuff. This
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is not what the country has founded on, and it
will not survive under this type of a system. I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, notice they criminalize everything that's godly and that is
according to God's word. But everything that is perverted and
twisted they lift up is moral and to be accepted.
And we need to not judge, and we need to
love everybody and let people live as they want to live.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Such hypocrisy, oh, absolutely. When you don't have police, you
don't have any of gods being in control, you have
no restraints. Then you have anarchy and you no longer
have a reason to have a country. You no longer
have a reason to have a border. This is just
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absolutely terrible. But when you're talking about the schools, they're
going to have to start there because that's where they're
starting with our children, and that's where they're destroying our
children is in the school system. I would be hesitant
to send a child to a public school today. If
you have children, would you send them to public school?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't think so, absolutely not. I wouldn't even allow
them to go to a liberal university or college. In fact,
I would tell them, if you choose to go to one,
you're not getting one dime for me. I will not
support the destruction of your mind. Now, if you go
to a Bible fundamentalist Christian college, one that has been
vetted and hasn't been compromised, I'm happy to help you
(10:58):
where I can. Parents must get their children out of
the public school systems now because they are no longer
about teaching ABCS one, two three. They are indoctrination indoctrination in.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Doctrination center f you're and simple indoctrination centers. You wrote
an article drag Queen Groom's children at a woke church.
So even with the churches, do you have a chance
anyone who takes the time to listen to drag queen pastor.
Drag queen pastor, and this person is a pastor and
(11:32):
a drag queen named miss Penny cost. Now that is
absolute heresy to name yourself Penny Costs a drag queen.
I mean, that is a slap on everybody who's a Christian.
And Isaac Simmons should be ashamed of himself for doing
such a thing. But this is what they're doing. They're
(11:53):
trying to reach out or do something. I don't know
what they're trying to do. But even in the churches,
they are churches that are It's one thing to be accepting,
it's another thing to be condoning correct.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And if you'll notice, they don't pull this craft in
the mosque and the synagogues. They don't do it in
the christ churches. And even in the public school system.
You know in Dearborn, Michigan, the Muslim parents along with
some Christians fought against that woke school board and I
think they prevailed in getting that woke, sexy curriculum out
(12:29):
of the school system. But this shows you how cowardly
Christians have become an apathetic, lukewarm. They don't care. They
have no fear of God. They don't try to fight
for the children. So now the mester in.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Absolutely absolutely. Now what do you when you look at
this and you look at what's happening in the country.
I think we're going to have a spiritual reawakening. People
should be turning to Jesus at this point because there's
nowhere else to turn. You can't trust your government, you
can't trust anything else. It's all we ever had to trust.
(13:04):
But people are having to realize that this is happening.
I think that I was praying that under this COVID
thing where they were shutting down shutting down churches, but
they were leaving other places like vaping places and marijulda
dispensaries and all sorts of different things open. During this,
(13:27):
I thought people would wake up and start to accept
Jesus in their heart. But this didn't really happen to
a large degree, did it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No. I mean, you could go to a liquor store
or go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They were open. They were open, George, we're talking more abound.
We were reserved.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yet the Biden administration is quickly moving to implement the
liberal fantasy of socialist spending. After spending a two point
one trillion dollar stimulus. The President and the Demo Craig
led Congress have introduced another three train to do our
plan to add to our instrumentable death, seeking to raise
(14:06):
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
Today, I'm going to list a couple of chapters in
your book, and one of them is I thought the
these were absolutely fabulous. One of them Hello Darkness, Mild Friend.
A lot of song titles here, and last chapter is
(15:09):
Knocking on Heaven's Store. I love that song. Knock knocking
on Heaven's store, and you had a lot of song titles.
Because what you're doing is this helped you. You went
through you studied other religions. You studied Hinduism and other religions,
Didnew George, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The Occult and New Age as well.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, right, So by studying that you had a real
balance and you saw how maybe in some instances God
came to other people. Right.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yes, I think the blessing in that earth schine is
that it allowed me to understand the verbiage. So right,
as you know, the churches are now compromised and a
lot of New Age Hindu teachings are being implemented in
the churches. I'm able to recognize when someone speaks there
are certain terms and words that they will use, which
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really helps me identify who the wolves and sheep's clothing are.
So at least it was a blessing that God allowed
me to at least learn a hard lesson but gain
some experience from it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That is really something, because how do you understand your enemy.
You have to study them, and very few people do that.
They just can bring in whatever they want to because
there are not that many people who study comparative religions.
But I think it's a very very good thing to do.
I thought that you were doing it basically to see
(16:34):
which would be the true God. But you never were
confused on that, were you.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
This is the funny thing. I always God. It was
settled in my heart that there was a God and
that Jesus was the all sufficient Savior. The only reason
why I studied those other religions was because Christians had
led me to believe God hated me because I was
a fag, so or I was trying to get to
God through another source. It wasn't that I ever would
have worshiped Satan, but I just wanted. I would say
(17:01):
I had such an inquisitive mind and I was really searching.
I was trying to develop my own brand of spirituality.
But thankfully God was patient and exposed the whole the
lives of those world religions, which really led me back
to Christ. But the issue was with God was telling me, oh, no,
you've got to go back into the Church, and I
didn't want to because I hated Christians and I didn't
(17:22):
want to be around them. But thankfully God put some
really good Christians in my life who had the heart
of Christ and he slowly immersed me back into the church.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
A while. Of the turn offs to a lot of
people as a hypocrisy in the Christian church, a lot
of hypocrisy, A lot of it is done for money, money,
by this and by that, and you'll be healed and
all of this type of stuff. And a lot of
people say, no, I don't want anything to do with that.
That doesn't make sense to me. And it really doesn't
(17:52):
to me either. You know, God's never really come directly
and asking we've got to have money for this and
money for that. When you look at the hypocrisy, and
a lot of Christians are down on that and they
are against what's happening in the churches. So that has
really turned a lot of people off. But like a
friend of mine, Aubrey Schein and says, if the church
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isn't preaching number one the Gospel, and if they are
not preaching American exceptionalism, get out that church. It's not good.
There are a lot of few clues like that that
people are can have. What would you say about a
good church versus an bioll church? Void?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If a church, if a pastor is not preaching the truth,
of God's word. Yes, God is love, but they always
leave out the wrath and the judgment of God that
is equally as important. So if the pastor is not
talking about the wrath and the judgment and the seriousness
of sin and how we need to repent and come
to Christ, but he does it and love. You know,
(18:54):
if he's going to stand up there and rail against
the sin of homosexuals, make sure you devote just as
much time and into the sin of heterosexuals. So it's
about being fair and calling out all sin. And I'll
tell you the other thing that really burns me up
when I was trying to get out of that lifestyle.
But why I hated Christians was because so many Christians
walk around with this attitude of superiority and that their
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life is together. And what I like is authenticity. And
when people stop with their gains and their nonsense and
their crap, because nobody has it together. Everybody's got baggage.
Why don't we start being real and allowing Christians who
are struggling to be able to say to members of
the church, this is my area of struggle. Can you
pray for me? And we start being real and helping
(19:39):
lift our brothers in the chicken products.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's wonderful as fire as struggle. Can you pray for me?
We'll be right back, was George Carnelle.
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Now George's book Queer to Christ is available in Amazon
and other places, and the other website is George Carnell
carn eal dot com. All available at Truth Express Radio
dot com. Now, one of the things that you talk
about is the law, and you're very big on the laws.
(21:16):
And Matthew, Mark and Luke talk about the law. God
loves you if you follow God's laws. If you follow
God's laws. But by the same token, John says, God
still loves the world. They gave his only begotten son,
So there's not a whole lot mentioned about the law there.
I'll go with three out of four who want you
to follow the laws. God doesn't make it complicated. I mean,
(21:40):
this isn't rocket science. He says, do this and you'll
be having a better life. It works out, doesn't it, George,
And you have really I don't know how many. You've
probably helped more people than you ever realized.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I hope. So, I mean God gets the glory, of course,
But I will say that when you stop doing what
God's word defines his wicked, whatever that is, and you
start doing what he defines is good and what's right
and just and fair, I'm telling you God will give
you a peace in your life, and I'm telling you
my life is so much more peaceful and much more calmer,
(22:14):
and I really have a wonderful relationship with God. It
doesn't mean that I don't have my areas of struggle,
and I have my doubts at times. And you know,
we're all human. We deal with life. But it's so
much far better walking with God than walking in the
LGBT lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Let me ask you forget for a moment the LGBTQ,
whatever the alphabet lifestyle in the world today, we've been
lied to about COVID, We've been lied to about one
thing on top of another, and the country has drifted
away from Jesus, from the Judeo Christian We have got
(22:51):
so many problems. A lot of people are really really
becoming anxious. It's like we have a collective pts. When
people are driving down the road. They used to run
through yellow lights. Now they're running through red lights. People
don't care. The crime is through the roof. Well know,
all of this is there a way. I think the
(23:12):
only way that we're going to get back is to
restore our Judeo Christian sense of morality and sense of
right and wrong back into this country. We don't have
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, the problem, Riskine, is that everybody's looking for Trump
to be the savior. But what we have to realize
is that we allowed this country to get to the
place that it is. This is Christians who have sat
back and taken a back seat and let society and
the laws dictate to us what we need to do
instead of us dictating to them the moral and the
right way. And what we have to do first as
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Christians is repent and ask God to forgive us where
we failed. And there needs to be a revival even
in the Christian community of where we get our hearts right,
and then we might see this ship turn around. But otherwise,
if people want to sit around and not own they're
part in this and not repent and ask God to
forgive them for supporting this woke agenda, I don't think
(24:08):
this thing's going to turn around. There's no milling something.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We really have to do something for the survival of
the not only the country, but of the world. A
lot of people said, well, are we in the final days? Well,
if you're reading it, we very well could be.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Couldn't wait, George, Yes, I'm hoping God won't turn it around.
But at the same time, if we are, that just
means Jesus is returning quicker than we anticipate, and I'm
looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, he's not gonna come back friendly. I mean, you'll
come back as a warrior. So that's that's something that
we have to look forward to. Either way. God's in
controls what you're saying, right, Yes he is.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He's on the throne, So it's gonna it's gonna be fine.
We know who wins.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, your brothers and sisters who are in not necessarily
just a gay lifestyle, but into much more than that.
And there's groups within their gay community who are totally
opposed to this indoctrinating children. When you get into the
children and doctrination, and you get into the drug companies
(25:13):
giving them the hormone blockers, and you're going through the mutilation.
Children should never go through anything like that, even if
they want to, wait till they get to be at
least eighteen, wait till they have good psychological testing. They
are destroying our children with us. I think, what do
you think, George, For the.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Sake of time, I would tell every Christian who wants
to understand the horror and the nightmares of this transgender agenda,
go to YouTube and type in transition, transition, regret and
listen to those young boys and girls talk about what
has happened to their life, such heartbreaking stories. How let
their words do the talking. Any Christian who supports this
(25:56):
quote woke agenda, shame on you, because, let me reiterate,
God says he knew us when he formed us in
the wound. God does not make mistakes when assigning our agenda.
And when we support this, the Democrat Party and their
policies and this transagenda, we are, in essence saying to
God that you made the mistake and we are going
to correct it, and you're not going to get away
(26:16):
with it. It is a slap in his face. To
do that and to support it. Stop it insanity.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't think God makes mistakes.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
No, he doesn't. The whole thing burns me up because
erskine because having been in the life, I've personally seen
the damage that this agenda has done to so many people.
It's a very personal issue for me. So people who
are on the outside who have no idea what that
life is really like. The media, Hollywood everyone they are
(26:46):
lying to you. Listen to those of us who lived
that life, and we can tell you the horror story.
My book is not X rated, but it's not. I
don't sugarcoat that life. It's a horrific, hellish lifestyle being in.
I don't care what anyone tells you. And if there
are any LGBT individuals who are thinking of going into
that life and you think it's fun and that's how
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you feel, you have a lifetime of heartache waiting for
you because it's a dead end road. You will never
find peace and joy in that life. So stop blaming Christians,
stop blaming society, stop playing the victim. It's the fact
that you are being sinfle and doing something that God
deems wicked, and He's never going to allow you to
have peace doing it. There's no peace at the end
(27:27):
of that road. And listen to somebody who's been there.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
God does have a plan for each of our lives,
doesn't he. Yes, he does, and you were given your
plan and He told you directly. Now other people say
God's ever talked to me, Well, maybe you just don't
shut up long enough to listen. Because God does talk
(27:53):
to us, and he talks to us in very strange ways,
because different people hear things different ways, don't they. Yes,
and yours was kind of along the road, was almost
like like when Jesus appeared to the people along the
road and said I'm here, I'm real. That's what God
(28:14):
did to you, said I'm here, I'm real. And when
this happened, you still kept on the same path until
you couldn't anymore. You were just forced to either accept
and go with God or your life was over as
you knew it. You couldn't go any further. There are
a lot of people who've reached that end of the road,
(28:35):
a lot of people you need to touch out and
reach and say, look, no matter how bad it is,
God still loves you. No matter what, God still loves you.
And that's important for people to know today, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yes? And I want those LGBT individuals or anyone who's
in bondage and you feel like a piece of garbage
and you want to commit suicide, I beg you to
just give Jesus a chance, because I'm telling you God
does love you, and Jesus paid all of your sin
debt on the cross, and if he can turn my
life around and bring people out of the porn industry,
out of the occult, out of Satanism and so many
(29:09):
other horrific things. God is in the saving and the
deliverance business. He loves you. Do not listen to the lies.
Get in touch with those of us who've been through it,
or pastors who have the heart of Christ, and reach
out and talk to someone. Know that you are not
alone and there is hope.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Now, if you're an adult and you want to go
see a drag shore or something like that, that's fine
if somebody. Now, most children, most children wonder what it's
like to be, you know, one day they want be
a cat, the next day they want a girl may
want to be a boy, the next day she may
(29:46):
want be a fireman. People kids go through that, They
go through different different fantasies as to what sex they are,
what animal they'd like to be. But those are fantasies.
They aren't anything that are generally acted on. And this
is something that they have to realize. People have to realize.
But if you get in round of these wrong schools,
(30:07):
that you could be making a decision that would affect
their life for the rest of their rest of their life.
You could be absolutely a lot of these children that
you're going to see a rash. I think of suicides
as it goes on, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yes, I know so many people who've committed suicide. I'm
telling you it's the lifestyle is so difficult. It's so difficult.
It is such a hellish life. And I can't even
imagine this generation of children whose minds have been destroyed
with this agenda, the repercussions of what we are going
to see in another ten to twenty years in this country.
(30:44):
It's frightening.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Does to drain your soul? Is that a good way
to put it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yes, that's a great way to put in.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
As the lifestyle itself drains your soul. You don't feel
like you are complete, and that is something that a
lot of people feel. I wonder, you know, I wonder
about a lot of people. See what they're doing and
what they're saying. They can't have souls. It's what we're
talking about, George. I think is something that's come over
(31:14):
this country and over the world, and we've talked a
lot about it. In terms of the COVID and everything else.
We have luciferians who are in control I don't think
there's any question about that. If you really don't call
it what it is, then you're doing a big disservice.
(31:34):
This is what it is, ladies and gentlemen. We have
Luciferians in control. They may not look that way or
anything else, but that's exactly what's happening. We've got a
president who the first thing he wants to do to
help our country is a sign an abortion bill. I mean,
this is what most people are worried about. No, that's
(31:56):
only five percent. Most people are worried about having food
on their table, Most people are worried about what the
cost of everything. Is happening that most people are worried
about the crime rate. But he wants to sign that
abortion bill, and he calls himself a good Catholic. George,
This doesn't make any sense at all. He calls himself
(32:17):
a good Catholic and says that Nancy Pelosi is a
good Catholic. And the very first thing he says, if
we get back here and we have this we have
republic Democrat majority, we're going I'm going to sign the
abortion bill. Well, you know, it isn't most people's major concern.
And if that's what he's most worried about. In this world.
(32:39):
We've got a problem, don't we exactly?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And not to mention that those cent trillions of dollars
to support Ukraine, but what about our events and our
seniors who are struggling in this country and the American people.
They'll let the illegals cross the border and they get
the red carpet rolled out to the end of our.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Night for rooms in New York. That's where they're bringing
the illegals. But I went over to a veteran's facility
here and they have people who are Navy seals who
are homeless. You could go down any streets anywhere. Are
they helping the people who are on drugs? A lot
of the homeless are on drugs. Are they getting them off? No,
(33:17):
They're wanting to set up injection sites. They're wanting to
keep people under servitude and under bondage. This is what
Lucifer would do, keeps them underserved, to keeps them under bondage.
This is exactly what would happen. We want freedom. We
want people to be free, don't we, George right.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
We want fairness too, and things to be done right.
If people want to come to this country, come the
legal waste that we can vet you. And I'm just
really sick and tired of the Democrats taking care of
the whole world, but they let our the American people
suffer in poverty, and seniors who can't even afford medications
that they need in the vets gets to get the
medical help that they need and to find sheltered. It
(33:56):
infuriates me and I don't know how anyone with a
brain can continue voting Democrat.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well. The other thing is people say, well, the poor
people there, they're coming over here for a better lifestyle
and everything else. And yes, that may be the case,
but the way it's happening, the children are being sold
into bondage. We've got pedophilia going like crazy of people
coming over. I mean, this is not right to them.
You know that, I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right, But America can't take care of the world. What
they need to do is no, we.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Can't take care of them, and we don't have a border,
we don't have a country.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, they need to go back to the countries where
the governments are corrupt and deal with that to then
get a group of people in there who will care
about its citizens. The whole world cannot come to the US.
We cannot take care of the world. We're just not
set up that way.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No, we aren't, No we aren't. People in America are
working too hard just to keep their own heads above
water without taking care of the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Exactly. It's not to be cold, but other this needs
to be handled differently, and it's it's just sad. What's
going on?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now? Are you your working in ministry now, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes? I am.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Now tell a little bit about that. And you're also
available for lectures and speeches ay where the people watch
you tell a little bit about what you've been doing
with your ministry.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Well, they can go to my website to get more information. Again,
it's George carneal c A R. N asonance e a
l dot com. They'll see a lot of information there.
In email address where they can contact me, there's a
donate section. I would appreciate anyone who would care to
support the ministry because I don't beg for donations. I
don't send out solicitations. It's really just love offerings that
(35:42):
the Good Lord will bring in from various people, and
I could use that support. I have a YouTube channel
and again if you can, if you want me to
come to speak at churches or conferences to sound the alarm,
to really just share what the reality of that life
is like, I'm happy to do. So please reach out
and you'll see a list of churches and conferences I've
spoken at on my website. So we've had nothing but
(36:04):
positive responses and people really appreciate the information. And it's
just a much needed ministry because the media will not
cover stories like mine to let the LGBT individuals know
that there is a different narrative and that people are
successfully walking out.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Of that life. Absolutely, and you're available to go to
other churches, other places where you feel like if people
need need some help, you're there to help people. This
is something beautiful as you've done. This is your ministry
right now, is to help others in this It's a
ministry that I think Jesus.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Christ for the follow themselves, thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We'll be right now.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
The Biden administration is quickly moving to implement the liberal
fantasy of socialist spending. After spending a two point one
trillion dollar stimulus, the President and I mcraig led Congress
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to our instrumentable death, seeking to raise taxes on Americans Mickey,
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Speaker 2 (37:54):
Now institutionalized grooming of children, and by grooming, we are
talking about convincing them or laying children be whatever sex
they want, whatever they're doing, and whatever thou will shall
be the hold of the law. This is wrong on
every level and it is going to affect them for
the rest of their lives. We have to be awake.
(38:17):
Parents have to be awake, and they've got to be
working with the school boards on this. And if your
school board won't listen to you, then vote them out.
Vote them out as quickly as possible, and you have
a quote by God clearly states in Second Peter, verse
three nine, the Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
(38:42):
as some men colt slackness, but is long suffering towards us,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should
come to repentance. It's an invitation for everybody. It isn't
just for some no matter how long you've been into
that type of a lifestyle. It is open for everybody
(39:04):
to repent, to come and enjoy life, to be one
with God. Eternity is a long time, a long time,
and you've seen that a lot of people turn around, George,
and I don't think you find the people who turn
around and repent of their lifestyle ever commiting suicide or
(39:24):
ever becoming suicidal. They are blessed, aren't they correct.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm telling you the peace alone is worth it. And
I would say to anyone out there who's struggling with
the sexual addiction, just ask yourself, have you slept with
anyone that would make it worth going to hell for?
And being apart from God for eternity. No one is
worth it, No sin is worth it, No drugs, sex, party, now, pornography.
(39:49):
Nothing is worth an eternity in hell. It's time for
us to repent, which means turn from start following the Lord.
Let's get our loved one saved, and let's share the gospel.
Stop being timid and start standing up against this woke
agenda and start taking our country back.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You're absolutely right, George A. Wall. Thank you for being
on that walth. Thank you for presenting your message. It's
a message that we need to hear. And thank you
for being my friend, because I've learned a lot by
talking with you about this. It's it's a I feel
very very sorry for the people who are in this lifestyle.
It's it's I actually do feel sorry for them. I
(40:28):
know you do too, I do.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I appreciate the conversation and the dialogue, and yet those
people no matter. It's okay to hate the agenda, but
love those individuals and help them because they're hurting, they
are broken. God loves them and Jesus died for them.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Have compassion, Hate the agenda, but love the people. Yes,
And that's so critical and when you're checking out a church,
check out one that follows the gospel. Check out one
that follows the laws, and not one that just follows
the money. It's a lot easier, but Jesus didn't make
it easy. As a matter of fact, he was roughest
(41:05):
his own apostles. God never said it would be easy.
God said it would be fulfilling and would be joyful
in the end. Never said it'd be easy to follow.
Nothing worthwhile it comes that easy, does it?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Correct? But it's worth it. The eternal reward is going
to be worth.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It, and your reward here on earth too, because you're
going to feel better about yourself and everything else. So
if we could leave you with one message, considerate, consider
turning to God, considered turing to Jesus. If we can
get this done, and the nation concerned to Jesus, we've
got a chance, We've got hope. Without that, we have
(41:44):
no hope. So his book is called from Queer to Christ,
and it is an amazing journey that you've taken. A
lot of people have taken it, and it also give
you a much better understanding about others who are in
this lifestyle. It can help you understand not to be
(42:05):
critical of, but for you to be understanding of. That's
what's important is these people need understanding more than anything.
All say, George, yes, any individual, but understanding.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yes. People are hurting and they are broken. Have compassion,
get to know them, gain their trust, and help them
walk with them on this journey, and pour love into them,
and especially reveal to them the love that God has
for them and what Jesus did on the Cross. There's
no better message. And I hope the LGBT and individuals
who are listening to this will take this message to heart.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I know one thing, I know, your Southern Baptist father
would be so proud to see you where you are.
He got to see you where you are, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yes, he did. He's very proud, And I'm glad the
Good Lord allowed us a time to have healing from
all that I went through and to be where I
am today. So God has been wonderful, full and gracious
and merciful.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It made a big difference, made a different difference in
your life. I'm sure it made a big difference in
your father's life. He was steadfast through how.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
His whole life wasn't absolutely prayer, work.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
And That's why you not only heard from God, but
you heard from your father, a very propitious mother. God
bless you, George.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I think you are seen company.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
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