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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh wow, are we fortunate? While the physist man period
in the country, in the world is Trevor Lauden's New
Zealand altar speaker and political activists. His blog New zeal And,
his website KeyWiki while exposes American politicians plus much more.
He's been called the world's most determined communists Hutter. His
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campaign for a Soviet Free New Zealand exposed the workings
of the Marxist subversion throughout the world. His books Barack Obama,
The Enemies Within and His Enemies Within exposes ties with
over one hundred representatives and twenty senators to the Communist
Party USA. Gather that one hundred representatives and twenty senators
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with ties to the Communist Party USA. This is our government.
You wonder why secrets are no longer secrets, Why people
know everything it's going on. It's too open. People do
not accept the possible. They do not accept their oaths
that they take to pull and defend the constitution. White
House reds a communist, socialist and security risk running for
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president twenty twenty. That was a great book. Mister Lowden
has turned the sites on the churches with It's just
released Enemies within the Church. It's a two hour video
that will keep you absolutely riveted. It shows that not
only the churches themselves have been co opted, from the
Southern Baptists to the Roman Catholic most of the mainstream
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churches have been co opted, including a lot of the
evangelical churches. What happened to the churches? How was American
Christianity broken down? What happened to them? Why did they
push this social justice and critical race theory? What's been
happening to the churches? When the universities they're the same
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place where universities were ten years ago. The message no
longer repent the sins, your sins, no longer received Jesus Christ.
That's exactly where the church is today, Trevor. This churches
are abrogating their duty to save souls and to bring
people to Jesus Christ. The churches are abrogating their duty,
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aren't they.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Look I believe soon I think our documentary proves that
is the case. I think it will shocked a lot
of viewers.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, I got wives to this when I read a
book by Susan Bradford called The United Church of Heist
and in Bonnie Scott, the senior pastor of the United
Church of the Green at the Yale University, and this
is from their website, from their website that her grandfather
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was one of the starters of that church. But from
their website, we're trying to listen. We're not the Bible
says it. I believe it that settles it. Kind of
church questions are encouraged. We've also been opening in firm
me of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender persons since nineteen eighty nine.
We're working with God to build a better future. And
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for those who are striving to live in recovery. Also
gluten free crackers. This is how walk they've become. This
is one of the mainstream religions, and of course the
church is falling apart. They're losing churches everywhere because the
people know that basically, if they're not out to save souls,
if they're not out to tell people where they're going wrong,
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then they're abrogating their duty. Jesus didn't make it easy,
did he.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, that's right, it's not. You know, the churches have
been dumbed down. If you're going to a dumb down church,
you're not getting the real message and it's not going
to do you a lot of good. And that's why
we did the movie so people could tell the difference
and they could actually we could name the bad actors
who are deliberately doing this to the churches.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, it started with the Chinese Academy of Social Social Science.
They wanted to find out why America was so successful.
That the Americans were smarter? Was it that they were
more industrious? What was the reason why were they so successful?
They said, the heart of the culture of American is
the Christian foundation God. Justice by the individual makes them
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accountable to God. Social justice marks this accountability to other
people and to the government. And this is what they determined.
They said it was the belief and the Christian Judeo
Christian work ethic. They've done away with the work ethic.
You can't find people to work at the restaurants or
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anything else. They have destroyed much of Christianity, and that
was the heart and soul of this country. And I
think one of the leaders of the country that may
have been Adams, who said, we cannot survive. We can
survive only as we dedicate ourselves to God. As long
as we do that will survive as a country. I
think with the COVID, the first thing they did was
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to shut down the churches, but by the same token,
people were able to see what was being taught in
the schools. The Mama Bears came out, and people are
developing relationship with God in their own right, not turning
to the churches because they're not they can't follow what
they're saying anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah. Well, you know, the COVID has been a blessing
in some ways because it's forced people to face reality.
We're under attacked by communists China. Their le and election.
The Black Lives Matter people who are Chinese agents effectively
burned our cities, and the churches stood back and did nothing.
By and large. Most churches just shut down. Very few
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have stood up. Those few that have stood up have prospered,
but many of those who shut down will be permanently
shut down. This is a seismic shift in America, but
it's very predictable because the Marxists have been working inside
the churches for a long time to move them to
that move those they could to the left, and they
couldn't to neutralize them. This is a deliberate Marxist program
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inside the churches, and American Christians need to wake up
to this while we still have a church left.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Now. You have a part in the video which is
extremely great. It's called Enemies within the Church, where you
show North Korea and China lighting people up and shooting
them because they had a Bible. They realized that's a Bible.
They're more afraid of the Bible than they are of
guns because the Bible is anti communists, and they feel
like it must be. Anybody who has one has to
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be executed. They can't allow it. They are so scared
of the Bible. But the US Churches is pushing the
idea that Jesus was a socialist. There's nothing in the
Bible that he was a socialist. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, you know the Tenker Mamas tell you that socialism
is wrong. You know, those sharret not envy is pretty
clear those should not covet thy neighbor's goods. You know, socialism,
If anybody sincerely reads the Bible, you would come out
of that politically conservative, because you would have to believe
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in If you believe in free will, you have to
believe in a free society. You have to believe in
a price, a place with freedom of speech where you
can disseminate what you know, the truth. My good friend
Bill Federer says, you know, and this is a lot
of Christians need to wake up to this because they
think politics is not where they should be. And that's
so wrong. But he would say, if spreading the Gospel
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is the most important duty of Christians, the second most
important duty is to preserve the freedom to spread the gospel.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That means Jesus preaching in the marketplace. Drevor, he did
most of his preaching in the marketplace. This is somebody
who believed in capitalism. He believed in that. He was
a carpenter.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, you know, he believed in You know, Chris, you know,
where do we get the Protestant work if from it
is from Christianity. Christians are told to go forth and
multiply and be fruitful, to work, to produce, to create
great things, to build businesses and churches and universities and hospitals.
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This is the job of a Christian to take God's
providence and turn this earth into the best place we
can possibly be. Because this illustrates, this puts Christian principles
into reality by their fruits, shall ye know them? And
so that impresses people and more people want to follow this.
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You know, when people are living in slavery and poverty
and they say the Christians prosper, it's a pretty powerful
incentive to think, well, what have these guys got that
I don't have?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
One thing? Jesus and God is we conceive God in Christianity,
believed in the individuals, believe in the collective. And everyone
in the US is privileged. That was a key thing.
Everyone in the US is privileged. We don't have white privilege.
That's malice, that's communists. There's no white privilege. We're all privileged.
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And I've talked to people who are who have come
who their ancestors were brought over here as slaves, and
they went back to Africa and they said, thank god,
I don't care how I got there, but thank god
i'm there. I'm in the US, as opposed to hear
in some of those places. This one lady was telling
me they were honoring the slave traders because they made
so much money. She said, I didn't I didn't like
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that at all. And she said, I was so happy,
I didn't care how I got here. And you'll hear
that from a lot of people, and people today you
can talk to them from Poland, from Romania and other places,
and they said, we don't want to see it become
what we have. This is what we left and now
it's coming here.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's right, and the horrible thing. One of the main
drivers of the modern American communists withlution are the churches.
Many of the churches have been completely co opted. Many
of the Bible colleges. You know, the Bible college is
becoming like the universities. They are mar weist. They are
restricting them.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All the Bible colleges and seminaries they're becoming the same way.
They're all becoming woke, which is certainly not woke.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
We see you've got to look at what woke means.
We hear this phrase woke church and woke businesses. This
is what woke means. It's a euphorism for Marxism because
you're back in the Chinese cultural Revolution. They would get
people into rooms and the whole brunch and they would
harangue them about their class privilege or the fact that
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their grandfather was a business owner or a farmer, and
they would raise, they would raise their class consciousness. We
would call it brainwashing. They called it consciousness raised well.
Woke means to raise your consciousness of issues of class,
issues of gender, issues of sexism. All of these Marxist
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things are being pushed in the churches disguised as Christianity.
And you've got to be a woke to this new
way of looking at things, so you understand the systemic racism,
so you understand it that white people have no role
in this and should shut up and listen, because you know,
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oppressed peoples have color have a more greater experience of
these things. This is all Marxist brainwashing, that's all it is.
It comes out of the Marlist cultural Revolution, but it's
in churches all over the country. It's in campus crusade
for christ It's an intervarsity. It's in every virtually every
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Christian seminary and Bible college in the country, and it's
changing a church into a Marxist church. And America many
American Christians are still completely oblivious to this, even though
their pastor is talking incessantly about white privilege. They do
not understand this is Marxism.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
One of the people in the video said in the
Enemies within the Church said, Wolke is willfully overlooking known evil. Yeah.
I think that's the best definition. Willfully overlooking known evil.
Write that down. Willfully overlooking known evil, That's what Wolke is.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and we are both definitions. Yeah. Well, Christians are
supposed to be actively opposing evil, are they not.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
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After spending a two point one trillion dollars stimulus, the
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
Marxism is based on atheism, and ultimately Satanism is based
on the collective than the individual. It really is absolutely
opposed to the Word of God, but it's now infiltrated
into the churches by leading so called Christians to confuse
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and lead people astray. This is a deliberate program by
the radical left to neutralize the American churches because they
know American churches are the backbone of this country.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Now they say that a gospel is God loves you,
but that isn't a gospel. The gospels are much more
than that. And I found this to be compelling. Trevor
when the rule, he said, it's much more than that.
It's knowing right from wrong. Under emphasis the law of God.
God defines love. God's law is absolute.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, so this is a misunderstanding many Christians have. They
look at John three sixteen. You know, God so loved
the world, and they think that's that's pretty much all
the Bible. But God is love. But that's the love
of God has mentioned one time in four gospels. What
is mentioned a lot more is the law of God.
And if you look at it logically, if your children
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obey your laws, do you love them more or less?
If your children break your laws, does that reduce your
love for them? If you're you know, it's if you
want real, the real love of God, You've got to
obey God's laws. If you break God's laws or ignore
God's laws, are you really going to get the love
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of God? Are you really gonna You know, we see
that in our own families. We see that everywhere. If
you obey the law of God, you will blossom, Your
family will be better, you, you will have riches, you
will have abundance. If you break the laws of God,
you will fall into disrepair. Your business will collapse, your
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marriage will collapse, your family will split asunder. Wow, well
it's the same thing, this massive over emphasis that the
leftists have gotten to the church. Told everybody that it's
all about love, it's not about the law. And so
the law is being ignored, The ten Commandments are being
lord ignored. People are falling into sin and error. And
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this is a deliberate, sophisticated program to divide God's church,
to overemphasize one aspect and massively underemphasize the other.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So what you're talking about is freedom without law and
without people doing what is right. We can't have freedom.
Without the police, we can't have freedom. So what's happening
in these cities is they are being overtaken. We could
call it satanic if you wish, but we're being overtaken
by those who are not following the law. We've got
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prosecutors who want to let people out, which is not
following the law. God only gave us ten laws. They
were called ten commandments. It was pretty simple stuff. But
the matter is without that, we have no freedom, We
have no we also do not have the love of
God without following the laws that he said. I mean,
he wanted us to do these things because it would
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give us freedom, and that's what he will.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, that's exactly right. And the laws of society are
based on the laws of God. You know, thou shalt
not murder, thou shalt not steal. And we see what
happens when we disobey the civil law. We see the
anarchy and chaos. We see what happens when you don't
prosecute the theft, when you don't prosecute assaults and things,
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it goes into anarchy and chaos and hatred and division. Well,
what happens when man disobeys God's law? Yes, God's still
going to love you if he gives you these simple
laws which are not burdensome, right, and you spit in
his face and ignore them. But you say you love
God and you speak to go to heaven. Well, you know, maybe,
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but you know there is a there's a kingdom, and
kingdoms have laws. And we've been told in many churches,
some churches will tell you forget the Old Testament, forget
the Old tenth moments. We've moved on to something new.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
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led Congress have introduced another three treeon dollar plan to
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is Enemies Within the church. You're going to want get
We'll tell you later how to get What is pietism.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Poetism is the idea that's very common in American churches
that people that the churches should stay out of the
civic affairs of the nation. They should have a very
narrow focus on personal salvation, nothing else. Don't get involved
in the culture, don't get involved in the politics. And
it is a massive mistake. It's a completely anti biblical.
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It started out in the seventeenth century after the Reformation.
You know, a lot of the Christians were fired up
and they were getting involved in politics and civic affairs,
and the princes of Europe were not happy about this.
And then there was a council movement Partism, but people
said you should just shut up, stay in your church,
don't get involved, and the princes funded this movement. They
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established university chairs, they put appointed people to university leadership
roles to promote this doctrine, and it became very, very
prominent in Germany. And then this party's doctrine came to
the United States with the German and Scandinavian immigrants who
settled the Midwest, and it basically says Christians should not
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be involved in civies affairs, and this partism has led
to the situation where Christian Christianity has abandoned the leadership
role in society and civil government's taken over and it's
getting out of hand. It's a it's a massive mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's the same thing. Hitler at one point said, you
the preachers concern with the souls of men, and I'll
take care of Germany.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yes, that's prietism, that's exactly right. And that vacuum of
good leadership led to Nazism and communism, both in ray.
By the way, Nazism and communism both started in Germany
because that was the most pietist country, because that's where
the movement started. But then it spread to the United States.
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And it's still all these pastors say, no, we shouldn't
be involved in politics, No, we shouldn't be involved in
civil affairs. No, we shouldn't be involved involved in the culture,
And where where's our cultures? Result of that? With that
government as a result of that, you know, this has
been one of the single biggest weapons of the communists
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to promote pietism because it takes good men out of
the fight for freedom.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, you said, the first communist revolution was in Germany
in eighteen forty eight when Marks went there and it
didn't work, and so a lot of the people came
to the US, and so they also brought their church
with them that had let's say, red tinges of the church,
and now it's coming out where it's not red tingines.
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They are just basically red churches. But you say, there's
a duty to rebel against authority. When unjust the state
commands what God forbids, or when the state forbids what
God's commands, you must stand up. We cannot sit back
any longer. We can't let some preacher tell you about
white privilege. We can't let some preacher tell us about
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this type of thing. We've got this up and say, no,
we're all privileged to be in America.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, so we were given three institutions to govern us.
We were given the church, we were given the family,
and we were given civil government. Civil government is biblical
representative government comes out of Mosaic law. When Moses was
taking the people through the desert, he is getting a
thousand people a day coming to him with complaints and
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suggestions is driving him crazy. So said go amongst yourself,
go amongst yourself, and choose representatives. So I talked to
ten people a day, not a thousand, and that was
codified the American Constitution, the first country in the world
that said man's rights came from God, not from the government.
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And so this system, this new system, set people free.
It gave people a confidence to start businesses and churches
and schools and colleges. And now that's all being eroded
away because now we have because the churches have abandoned
the leadership role, the families are falling into chaos, and
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as civil government is way out of control and it's
going to destroy both the family and the church. That's
where we are because the churches have abandoned their leadership role,
because partists and communists have told people they shouldn't be
involved in the civic seares of their nation.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Now Jesus said, I have come to fulfill the laws.
I didn't come to change absolutely. Now that's a critical
critical fighting Now situation ethics came in where we no
longer look at right or wrong, but the outcome this
attributes to the lawlessness today. It doesn't matter if it's
right or wrong, it's what the outcome is. So you say,
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we've got the three hours reconciliation, we reconcile all the
sins of the past, relocation and leader's tradition of wealth wealth. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Let that comes out of John Perkins, who's a very
a black pastor from Mississippi, very prominent the Civil rights
era and very influential on a lot of Christian organizations.
But this is Marxism. Redistribution is redistribution of wealth. He
talks in the movie about how he was a communist,
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and Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist grins when he
says this, And so he talks about how this was communists.
It was communists. These people were communists infiltrating the churches
to use the influence of the church and the respectability
of the church to change people in the way that
communists could not do ordinarily. You know, they, you know,
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the Communists wanted to change America, to destroy America, but
nobody would listen to them here. So they didn't have
the money, they didn't have the respectability and the influence.
What institution has money and influence and respectability. Where would
you go if you're actoges? Where would you go? And
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that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Now you have the democracy fund.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, one of the big programs the Communists have been
promoting is uncontrolled illegal immigration. So the border just gets
flooded so that the country collapses. And so they the Sorrows.
Sorrows have always work with the communists, and so they
have been funding the Evangelical Immigration Table to promote illegal immigration.
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So left wing Sorrows has been giving money to a
so called Christian group to promote illegal immigration with the
goal of collapsing this country. And these people with the
veneer Christianity, socialists, all of them, Marxists, all of them
are sucking in millions of Christians, getting their money and
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using their money to destroy their own country. Would you
call it satanic?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because I would definitely call it satanic. And they've conquered
the Southern Baptists, moved it to the left. Same thing
that they've done with Hollywood, same thing they've done with
the universities. It's the same playbook. But now they're overcoming
the churches. We have to go back to religion. We've
got to go back to understanding Jesus Christ of the
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Bible and not what these people are put in. We
can't go with situation ethics. There are laws that we
have to operate under to be free. Because this the Chinese.
Go back to what you said. Originally, the Chinese understood this.
This is what they understood when they talked about it,
and it was called the Chinese Academy of Social Science.
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What made America great, it's the Christian foundation of America,
the Christian Judeo Christian work ethic. We're losing all of
that right now. It's the situation ethics, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, well, the Chinese communists want to destroy this country.
They know Christianity is their main rival, so they are
inside the American churches working a way to destroy the
church and use the church to promote socialism. What would
you do if you're a communist Chinese leader and you
wanted to take over America, would you not use the churches?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, they've destroyed the medical they've destroying the churches now
and they're used. They're more than destroyed. They don't want
to destroy the churches, they want to use it. And
you see the Gospel Coalition, etcetera. Leftist groups, they all
share the same type of board members, Campus Crusade for
Christ and a lot of money from the Kerrent Foundation
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to wake up the seminaries. They want them all walk
and so a lot of these have the same board
members on at these churches. So you've got the World
Council churches. So what are we to do? I think
what we can do is what President Trump did. President
Trump dropped out of the Presbyterian Church even though his
family was while the founders of the Reformation in Scotland,
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and he said, I'm going to a non denominational Christian church.
You almost have to stay away from major denominations, don't
you travel well?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
You have to look at every church you walk and
do some even some of the big denominations, you still
find a sound pastor. But generally speaking, the smaller and
more independent the church, the more likely it is to
be sound. And so there's two standards you need to
look at if you're going to a church. One is
the church actually teaching the Gospel or is it teaching
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some perversion of the Gospel? And b is the pastor
urging you to use what you learn in church in
the wider community and taking leadership. There's a lot of
churches out there that a Communists are left avoid them.
There's a lot of churches who preach the right gospel,
but they won't darn well do anything. Well, they're not
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going to get you anywhere either. There's no point having
the right stuff if you never use it. Find the
churches who both teach the right stuff and where the
pastor and the leaders are willing to be involved in
the community, willing to be involved in civic affairs and politics,
willing to be outspoken, willing to keep open through pandemics.
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That's the kind of church you need, because every other
church is either a communist church or basically a social.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Club, does not deny biblical narratives.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Well, that's right if they're denying. But yeah, if they're
denying that, well you don't even go near it. There's
no sense listening to an interview like this on a
Wednesday or Thursday or Friday and going to a socialist
or a week church on a Sunday. It's not going
to get you. It's not going to get you anywhere
other than a bit of a friendly company. To get
that at the Bingo Hall, you could get that at that.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We need positive resistance, need to stop sending kids to
your money to these institutions. Positive resistance doesn't mean go
in there and burn the place down. No no, no,
no no, but you do positive resistance. Don't send your kids,
don't send your money to any of these you've got here.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, look like Campus Crusade for Christ now called CRUE,
was once a very respectable, very active Christian organization. Now
it's completely woke and controlled by Marxists, but hundreds of
thousands of American families still send them money every year
because they still think it was the good organization they
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went to when they were in college. Well, they've got
to do some discernments. Stop funding the enemies of the Church,
stop funding the enemies of America. Make sure you do
real good research before you send your money to these
organizations that they're not woke, they're not Marxists, and they're
actually genuinely Christian, because you'll be shocked. Don't be sending
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money to World Vision, don't be supporting Campus Crusade for Christ,
don't be supporting Into Varsity. All of these are woke
leftist organizations.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Now, now, what surprised you when you did this video
Enemies of the within the Church? Was there something that
really stood out and you said, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We did our movie Enemies enemies within politics, and I
knew how bad the Marxism was there. I knew there
was Marxism in the mainstream churches and the Catholic churches,
Marxist pope for goodness sake, But it surprised me how
deep the penetration was of the Southern Baptist and the Evangelicals.
It really, it really shocked me, you know, because I
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was brought in to investigate this because I know about communism,
you know, so they brought me in to say, can
you find it in the churches. Absolutely? I found it
in the churches in places I never realized, and that
shocked me to the core. But it's logical. You know,
if you're a Marxist, you control Hollywood, you control the
(34:11):
labor unions, control the Democratic Party, elements of the Republican Party,
you control education, you control the mainstream churches. But these
crazy Evangelicals and the Baptists, you don't control them. And
every now and then they get out there and they
elect a Ronald Reagan or a Donald Trump and set
you back twenty five years. Well, isn't it logical they
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would want to stop that problem and get into the
evangelical churches and the Baptists. Well they did that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Even more important, this is a fight for the souls
of men. This is satanic.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is they can lead you away from God. They're
leading you towards the devil, and they are doing that.
People go to church thinking, they says, thinking they're going
to a good church, and they've basically been taught Marxism,
thinking it's Christianity. Well you think that's going to get
you saved? Really?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And also sitting there waiting for Jesus to come, isn't
the answer. Jesus wants us to be part of the solution,
not part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, this is another thing we have to you know,
the people who say the rapture is coming in five minutes,
it's going to come on Tuesday, next week or whatever,
Well we're told to occupied till he comes. And none
of us have God's timetable on our computer.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
We don't things go on God's time, they don't go
on our time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's right. I say to people, Well, if you if
your excuse for not being involved in politics is because
you think the rapture is coming or all of the
arces in God's hands, well I'll believe you are sincere.
The day you stop paying your mortgage, the day you
stop mowing your lawn, and the day you stop changing
your underwear, that's when I believe you.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Sincere, Now, how do I get a copy of enemies
within the church?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you guys have enemies within the church? Dot com?
Great enemies within the homes? And you can get a
tape of views that you can sit on your computer
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Is that a good place within the church dot com? Okay,
I'll have that up on Truth Expressradio dot com. And uh,
let me ask you a couple of real quick questions.
When we were talking about and you've done more work
than anybody that I know of concerning our government, the
(37:39):
enemies within our government, And when you're looking at people,
how do we know who to trust in our government?
I know that we've got Illian o'mar and a few
people like that that we can't trust any further. You
can throw them. But it seems to me like we've
got the most corrupt government that we've ever had, the
entire cabinet of President Biden, and we've also got other people.
(38:03):
How do we how do what we was going to
happen with this? Are we going to have an election
where we can get the people out?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Well, we're in troubling a lot of ways we could
be on the world edge of World War three right now.
You know, we're at war with China. We're really at
war with Russia, and it's playing out in Black Lives
Matter and cyber attacks on our nation and epidemics and whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Plus we've got so many, so many sleeper cells and
things in this country.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Oh, we're heavily infiltrated. You know. Ratcliff, who's Trump's intelligence advisor,
said the Chinese had compromised so many American politicians they
could determine which legislation goes through Congress and which doesn't.
So what we're going to do is work locally to
try and keep the country together to get to the elections,
because I think the elections will be very good for us.
(38:58):
We've got to sort out our churches and sort out ourselves.
This is you know, this is we're given free will,
and I think God has not finished with his country yet,
you know. But we've got to do our part, and
we're going to not give up and be defeat us.
If we are fighting, miracles will happen, just like in
(39:20):
the Revolutionary War. You know, the famous fold that lifted
and came down in New York har but just in
time for George Washington's army to escape. You know, the
bullets that whizz through George Washington's tunic but never threw him.
So but we have to fight. We have to be
standing up and ready to defend our country and our communities.
(39:42):
I'm not talking violently. I'm talking doing everything we can
to take back our scoreboards and our congressional seats and
put real patriots into our state governments, and you know
all of that. We've got to do that. That's the
minimum we have to do. And we do that, and
millions of his do that. I think God will smile
on this country. I think that will be blessed in
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ways we can't imagine right now.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I was looking at the sky a couple of three
days ago, and I looked up and the clouds, the
beautiful clouds here, and there was an angel. It was
as big as a house up there, wings spread out,
flowing robe. Could see the face an angel. I think
I'd sending his messages today. I believe that I'm not
(40:29):
giving flights of fantasy. I know saw another one looked
like a dog. Well it's looked like a little doggie,
but this was all by itself. Instead, there is there
for about twenty minutes. I'd never seen anything like that before.
It was a perfect angel with the wings out. My
wife saw it, other people saw it, just absolutely gorgeous.
I think we need to pay attention because if we
(40:50):
pay attention, God will send us signs.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah. I think we're in one of those times that
it's going to be pivotal in world history. And I
think it's up to every believer and every patriot to
stand up now. And I think we can save this country.
And I think you're going for a long time yet
doing good in the world. But we have to stand
up now because this is our kids future at stake,
(41:16):
This is our this is you know, we've been hands.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
For America, but this is for the entire world.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Well it is. And you know when you when we're
held to account, do you want to stand before God?
Do you want to say I helped to save America?
Or do you want to say I'm sorry I didn't
think it was important. I'm sorry I lost you a
great country. Please forgive me. What which would you rather do?
Would you rather stand knowing you've done your best or
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being a coward or collaborator?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Which was well, I was waiting for you to come
back and take control. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, Well, we're given free will you know we're not.
This isn't given to us. We are given the opportunity
to apply God's laws to make this nation great, to
make our families great, to make our churches great. We're
given the laws, We're given brains, we're given hands, We're
given voices. We can choose to use them or not
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to use them. That's on us. God's not going to
step in if we're not using them. He's just gonna
let us wallow in our own DEPRESENTI.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Trevor, God, bless you for all you're doing.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Thank you, You've been able to real pleasure.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh wow, are we fortunate? While the physist man period
in the country, in the world is Trevor Lauden's New
Zealand altar speaker and political activists. His blog New zeal And,
his website KeyWiki while exposes American politicians plus much more.
He's been called the world's most determined communists Hutter. His
(00:48):
campaign for a Soviet Free New Zealand exposed the workings
of the Marxist subversion throughout the world. His books Barack Obama,
The Enemies Within and His Enemies Within exposes ties with
over one hundred representatives and twenty senators to the Communist
Party USA. Gather that one hundred representatives and twenty senators
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with ties to the Communist Party USA. This is our government.
You wonder why secrets are no longer secrets, Why people
know everything it's going on. It's too open. People do
not accept the possible. They do not accept their oaths
that they take to pull and defend the constitution. White
House reds a communist, socialist and security risk running for
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president twenty twenty. That was a great book. Mister Lowden
has turned the sites on the churches with It's just
released Enemies within the Church. It's a two hour video
that will keep you absolutely riveted. It shows that not
only the churches themselves have been co opted, from the
Southern Baptists to the Roman Catholic most of the mainstream
(01:56):
churches have been co opted, including a lot of the
evangelical churches. What happened to the churches? How was American
Christianity broken down? What happened to them? Why did they
push this social justice and critical race theory? What's been
happening to the churches? When the universities they're the same
(02:19):
place where universities were ten years ago. The message no
longer repent the sins, your sins, no longer received Jesus Christ.
That's exactly where the church is today, Trevor. This churches
are abrogating their duty to save souls and to bring
people to Jesus Christ. The churches are abrogating their duty,
(02:42):
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Look I believe soon I think our documentary proves that
is the case. I think it will shocked a lot
of viewers.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, I got wives to this when I read a
book by Susan Bradford called The United Church of Heist
and in Bonnie Scott, the senior pastor of the United
Church of the Green at the Yale University, and this
is from their website, from their website that her grandfather
(03:16):
was one of the starters of that church. But from
their website, we're trying to listen. We're not the Bible
says it. I believe it that settles it. Kind of
church questions are encouraged. We've also been opening in firm
me of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender persons since nineteen eighty nine.
We're working with God to build a better future. And
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he goes on and on where it even talks about
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for those who are striving to live in recovery. Also
gluten free crackers. This is how walk they've become. This
is one of the mainstream religions, and of course the
church is falling apart. They're losing churches everywhere because the
people know that basically, if they're not out to save souls,
if they're not out to tell people where they're going wrong,
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then they're abrogating their duty. Jesus didn't make it easy,
did he.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, that's right, it's not. You know, the churches have
been dumbed down. If you're going to a dumb down church,
you're not getting the real message and it's not going
to do you a lot of good. And that's why
we did the movie so people could tell the difference
and they could actually we could name the bad actors
who are deliberately doing this to the churches.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, it started with the Chinese Academy of Social Social Science.
They wanted to find out why America was so successful.
That the Americans were smarter? Was it that they were
more industrious? What was the reason why were they so successful?
They said, the heart of the culture of American is
the Christian foundation God. Justice by the individual makes them
(05:14):
accountable to God. Social justice marks this accountability to other
people and to the government. And this is what they determined.
They said it was the belief and the Christian Judeo
Christian work ethic. They've done away with the work ethic.
You can't find people to work at the restaurants or
(05:35):
anything else. They have destroyed much of Christianity, and that
was the heart and soul of this country. And I
think one of the leaders of the country that may
have been Adams, who said, we cannot survive. We can
survive only as we dedicate ourselves to God. As long
as we do that will survive as a country. I
think with the COVID, the first thing they did was
(05:57):
to shut down the churches, but by the same token,
people were able to see what was being taught in
the schools. The Mama Bears came out, and people are
developing relationship with God in their own right, not turning
to the churches because they're not they can't follow what
they're saying anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah. Well, you know, the COVID has been a blessing
in some ways because it's forced people to face reality.
We're under attacked by communists China. Their le and election.
The Black Lives Matter people who are Chinese agents effectively
burned our cities, and the churches stood back and did nothing.
By and large. Most churches just shut down. Very few
(06:40):
have stood up. Those few that have stood up have prospered,
but many of those who shut down will be permanently
shut down. This is a seismic shift in America, but
it's very predictable because the Marxists have been working inside
the churches for a long time to move them to
that move those they could to the left, and they
couldn't to neutralize them. This is a deliberate Marxist program
(07:06):
inside the churches, and American Christians need to wake up
to this while we still have a church left.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Now. You have a part in the video which is
extremely great. It's called Enemies within the Church, where you
show North Korea and China lighting people up and shooting
them because they had a Bible. They realized that's a Bible.
They're more afraid of the Bible than they are of
guns because the Bible is anti communists, and they feel
like it must be. Anybody who has one has to
(07:34):
be executed. They can't allow it. They are so scared
of the Bible. But the US Churches is pushing the
idea that Jesus was a socialist. There's nothing in the
Bible that he was a socialist. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, you know the Tenker Mamas tell you that socialism
is wrong. You know, those sharret not envy is pretty
clear those should not covet thy neighbor's goods. You know, socialism,
If anybody sincerely reads the Bible, you would come out
of that politically conservative, because you would have to believe
(08:09):
in If you believe in free will, you have to
believe in a free society. You have to believe in
a price, a place with freedom of speech where you
can disseminate what you know, the truth. My good friend
Bill Federer says, you know, and this is a lot
of Christians need to wake up to this because they
think politics is not where they should be. And that's
so wrong. But he would say, if spreading the Gospel
(08:33):
is the most important duty of Christians, the second most
important duty is to preserve the freedom to spread the gospel.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That means Jesus preaching in the marketplace. Drevor, he did
most of his preaching in the marketplace. This is somebody
who believed in capitalism. He believed in that. He was
a carpenter.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, you know, he believed in You know, Chris, you know,
where do we get the Protestant work if from it
is from Christianity. Christians are told to go forth and
multiply and be fruitful, to work, to produce, to create
great things, to build businesses and churches and universities and hospitals.
(09:17):
This is the job of a Christian to take God's
providence and turn this earth into the best place we
can possibly be. Because this illustrates, this puts Christian principles
into reality by their fruits, shall ye know them? And
so that impresses people and more people want to follow this.
(09:39):
You know, when people are living in slavery and poverty
and they say the Christians prosper, it's a pretty powerful
incentive to think, well, what have these guys got that
I don't have?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
One thing? Jesus and God is we conceive God in Christianity,
believed in the individuals, believe in the collective. And everyone
in the US is privileged. That was a key thing.
Everyone in the US is privileged. We don't have white privilege.
That's malice, that's communists. There's no white privilege. We're all privileged.
(10:14):
And I've talked to people who are who have come
who their ancestors were brought over here as slaves, and
they went back to Africa and they said, thank god,
I don't care how I got there, but thank god
i'm there. I'm in the US, as opposed to hear
in some of those places. This one lady was telling
me they were honoring the slave traders because they made
so much money. She said, I didn't I didn't like
(10:36):
that at all. And she said, I was so happy,
I didn't care how I got here. And you'll hear
that from a lot of people, and people today you
can talk to them from Poland, from Romania and other places,
and they said, we don't want to see it become
what we have. This is what we left and now
it's coming here.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's right, and the horrible thing. One of the main
drivers of the modern American communists withlution are the churches.
Many of the churches have been completely co opted. Many
of the Bible colleges. You know, the Bible college is
becoming like the universities. They are mar weist. They are
restricting them.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All the Bible colleges and seminaries they're becoming the same way.
They're all becoming woke, which is certainly not woke.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
We see you've got to look at what woke means.
We hear this phrase woke church and woke businesses. This
is what woke means. It's a euphorism for Marxism because
you're back in the Chinese cultural Revolution. They would get
people into rooms and the whole brunch and they would
harangue them about their class privilege or the fact that
(11:47):
their grandfather was a business owner or a farmer, and
they would raise, they would raise their class consciousness. We
would call it brainwashing. They called it consciousness raised well.
Woke means to raise your consciousness of issues of class,
issues of gender, issues of sexism. All of these Marxist
(12:12):
things are being pushed in the churches disguised as Christianity.
And you've got to be a woke to this new
way of looking at things, so you understand the systemic racism,
so you understand it that white people have no role
in this and should shut up and listen, because you know,
(12:32):
oppressed peoples have color have a more greater experience of
these things. This is all Marxist brainwashing, that's all it is.
It comes out of the Marlist cultural Revolution, but it's
in churches all over the country. It's in campus crusade
for christ It's an intervarsity. It's in every virtually every
(12:55):
Christian seminary and Bible college in the country, and it's
changing a church into a Marxist church. And America many
American Christians are still completely oblivious to this, even though
their pastor is talking incessantly about white privilege. They do
not understand this is Marxism.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
One of the people in the video said in the
Enemies within the Church said, Wolke is willfully overlooking known evil. Yeah.
I think that's the best definition. Willfully overlooking known evil.
Write that down. Willfully overlooking known evil, That's what Wolke is.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and we are both definitions. Yeah. Well, Christians are
supposed to be actively opposing evil, are they not.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
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is quickly moving to implement the liberal fantasy of socialist spending.
After spending a two point one trillion dollars stimulus, the
press and the Democratic led Congress have introduced another three
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
Marxism is based on atheism, and ultimately Satanism is based
on the collective than the individual. It really is absolutely
opposed to the Word of God, but it's now infiltrated
into the churches by leading so called Christians to confuse
(15:21):
and lead people astray. This is a deliberate program by
the radical left to neutralize the American churches because they
know American churches are the backbone of this country.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Now they say that a gospel is God loves you,
but that isn't a gospel. The gospels are much more
than that. And I found this to be compelling. Trevor
when the rule, he said, it's much more than that.
It's knowing right from wrong. Under emphasis the law of God.
God defines love. God's law is absolute.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, so this is a misunderstanding many Christians have. They
look at John three sixteen. You know, God so loved
the world, and they think that's that's pretty much all
the Bible. But God is love. But that's the love
of God has mentioned one time in four gospels. What
is mentioned a lot more is the law of God.
And if you look at it logically, if your children
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obey your laws, do you love them more or less?
If your children break your laws, does that reduce your
love for them? If you're you know, it's if you
want real, the real love of God, You've got to
obey God's laws. If you break God's laws or ignore
God's laws, are you really going to get the love
(16:40):
of God? Are you really gonna You know, we see
that in our own families. We see that everywhere. If
you obey the law of God, you will blossom, Your
family will be better, you, you will have riches, you
will have abundance. If you break the laws of God,
you will fall into disrepair. Your business will collapse, your
(17:01):
marriage will collapse, your family will split asunder. Wow, well
it's the same thing, this massive over emphasis that the
leftists have gotten to the church. Told everybody that it's
all about love, it's not about the law. And so
the law is being ignored, The ten Commandments are being
lord ignored. People are falling into sin and error. And
(17:24):
this is a deliberate, sophisticated program to divide God's church,
to overemphasize one aspect and massively underemphasize the other.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So what you're talking about is freedom without law and
without people doing what is right. We can't have freedom.
Without the police, we can't have freedom. So what's happening
in these cities is they are being overtaken. We could
call it satanic if you wish, but we're being overtaken
by those who are not following the law. We've got
(17:57):
prosecutors who want to let people out, which is not
following the law. God only gave us ten laws. They
were called ten commandments. It was pretty simple stuff. But
the matter is without that, we have no freedom, We
have no we also do not have the love of
God without following the laws that he said. I mean,
he wanted us to do these things because it would
(18:18):
give us freedom, and that's what he will.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, that's exactly right. And the laws of society are
based on the laws of God. You know, thou shalt
not murder, thou shalt not steal. And we see what
happens when we disobey the civil law. We see the
anarchy and chaos. We see what happens when you don't
prosecute the theft, when you don't prosecute assaults and things,
(18:43):
it goes into anarchy and chaos and hatred and division. Well,
what happens when man disobeys God's law? Yes, God's still
going to love you if he gives you these simple
laws which are not burdensome, right, and you spit in
his face and ignore them. But you say you love
God and you speak to go to heaven. Well, you know, maybe,
(19:05):
but you know there is a there's a kingdom, and
kingdoms have laws. And we've been told in many churches,
some churches will tell you forget the Old Testament, forget
the Old tenth moments. We've moved on to something new.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, you know, we'll be right back to talk about
what's new. The Biden administration is quickly moving to implement
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point one trillion dollars stimulus, the President and the Democratic
led Congress have introduced another three treeon dollar plan to
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(19:42):
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is Enemies Within the church. You're going to want get
We'll tell you later how to get What is pietism.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Poetism is the idea that's very common in American churches
that people that the churches should stay out of the
civic affairs of the nation. They should have a very
narrow focus on personal salvation, nothing else. Don't get involved
in the culture, don't get involved in the politics. And
it is a massive mistake. It's a completely anti biblical.
(21:12):
It started out in the seventeenth century after the Reformation.
You know, a lot of the Christians were fired up
and they were getting involved in politics and civic affairs,
and the princes of Europe were not happy about this.
And then there was a council movement Partism, but people
said you should just shut up, stay in your church,
don't get involved, and the princes funded this movement. They
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established university chairs, they put appointed people to university leadership
roles to promote this doctrine, and it became very, very
prominent in Germany. And then this party's doctrine came to
the United States with the German and Scandinavian immigrants who
settled the Midwest, and it basically says Christians should not
(21:59):
be involved in civies affairs, and this partism has led
to the situation where Christian Christianity has abandoned the leadership
role in society and civil government's taken over and it's
getting out of hand. It's a it's a massive mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's the same thing. Hitler at one point said, you
the preachers concern with the souls of men, and I'll
take care of Germany.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yes, that's prietism, that's exactly right. And that vacuum of
good leadership led to Nazism and communism, both in ray.
By the way, Nazism and communism both started in Germany
because that was the most pietist country, because that's where
the movement started. But then it spread to the United States.
(22:46):
And it's still all these pastors say, no, we shouldn't
be involved in politics, No, we shouldn't be involved in
civil affairs. No, we shouldn't be involved involved in the culture,
And where where's our cultures? Result of that? With that
government as a result of that, you know, this has
been one of the single biggest weapons of the communists
(23:07):
to promote pietism because it takes good men out of
the fight for freedom.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, you said, the first communist revolution was in Germany
in eighteen forty eight when Marks went there and it
didn't work, and so a lot of the people came
to the US, and so they also brought their church
with them that had let's say, red tinges of the church,
and now it's coming out where it's not red tingines.
(23:35):
They are just basically red churches. But you say, there's
a duty to rebel against authority. When unjust the state
commands what God forbids, or when the state forbids what
God's commands, you must stand up. We cannot sit back
any longer. We can't let some preacher tell you about
white privilege. We can't let some preacher tell us about
(23:58):
this type of thing. We've got this up and say, no,
we're all privileged to be in America.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, so we were given three institutions to govern us.
We were given the church, we were given the family,
and we were given civil government. Civil government is biblical
representative government comes out of Mosaic law. When Moses was
taking the people through the desert, he is getting a
thousand people a day coming to him with complaints and
(24:24):
suggestions is driving him crazy. So said go amongst yourself,
go amongst yourself, and choose representatives. So I talked to
ten people a day, not a thousand, and that was
codified the American Constitution, the first country in the world
that said man's rights came from God, not from the government.
(24:46):
And so this system, this new system, set people free.
It gave people a confidence to start businesses and churches
and schools and colleges. And now that's all being eroded
away because now we have because the churches have abandoned
the leadership role, the families are falling into chaos, and
(25:08):
as civil government is way out of control and it's
going to destroy both the family and the church. That's
where we are because the churches have abandoned their leadership role,
because partists and communists have told people they shouldn't be
involved in the civic seares of their nation.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Now Jesus said, I have come to fulfill the laws.
I didn't come to change absolutely. Now that's a critical
critical fighting Now situation ethics came in where we no
longer look at right or wrong, but the outcome this
attributes to the lawlessness today. It doesn't matter if it's
right or wrong, it's what the outcome is. So you say,
(25:49):
we've got the three hours reconciliation, we reconcile all the
sins of the past, relocation and leader's tradition of wealth wealth. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Let that comes out of John Perkins, who's a very
a black pastor from Mississippi, very prominent the Civil rights
era and very influential on a lot of Christian organizations.
But this is Marxism. Redistribution is redistribution of wealth. He
talks in the movie about how he was a communist,
(26:25):
and Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist grins when he
says this, And so he talks about how this was communists.
It was communists. These people were communists infiltrating the churches
to use the influence of the church and the respectability
of the church to change people in the way that
communists could not do ordinarily. You know, they, you know,
(26:49):
the Communists wanted to change America, to destroy America, but
nobody would listen to them here. So they didn't have
the money, they didn't have the respectability and the influence.
What institution has money and influence and respectability. Where would
you go if you're actoges? Where would you go? And
(27:10):
that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Now you have the democracy fund.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, one of the big programs the Communists have been
promoting is uncontrolled illegal immigration. So the border just gets
flooded so that the country collapses. And so they the Sorrows.
Sorrows have always work with the communists, and so they
have been funding the Evangelical Immigration Table to promote illegal immigration.
(27:38):
So left wing Sorrows has been giving money to a
so called Christian group to promote illegal immigration with the
goal of collapsing this country. And these people with the
veneer Christianity, socialists, all of them, Marxists, all of them
are sucking in millions of Christians, getting their money and
(28:00):
using their money to destroy their own country. Would you
call it satanic?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because I would definitely call it satanic. And they've conquered
the Southern Baptists, moved it to the left. Same thing
that they've done with Hollywood, same thing they've done with
the universities. It's the same playbook. But now they're overcoming
the churches. We have to go back to religion. We've
got to go back to understanding Jesus Christ of the
(28:27):
Bible and not what these people are put in. We
can't go with situation ethics. There are laws that we
have to operate under to be free. Because this the Chinese.
Go back to what you said. Originally, the Chinese understood this.
This is what they understood when they talked about it,
and it was called the Chinese Academy of Social Science.
(28:49):
What made America great, it's the Christian foundation of America,
the Christian Judeo Christian work ethic. We're losing all of
that right now. It's the situation ethics, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, well, the Chinese communists want to destroy this country.
They know Christianity is their main rival, so they are
inside the American churches working a way to destroy the
church and use the church to promote socialism. What would
you do if you're a communist Chinese leader and you
wanted to take over America, would you not use the churches?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, they've destroyed the medical they've destroying the churches now
and they're used. They're more than destroyed. They don't want
to destroy the churches, they want to use it. And
you see the Gospel Coalition, etcetera. Leftist groups, they all
share the same type of board members, Campus Crusade for
Christ and a lot of money from the Kerrent Foundation
(29:46):
to wake up the seminaries. They want them all walk
and so a lot of these have the same board
members on at these churches. So you've got the World
Council churches. So what are we to do? I think
what we can do is what President Trump did. President
Trump dropped out of the Presbyterian Church even though his
family was while the founders of the Reformation in Scotland,
(30:11):
and he said, I'm going to a non denominational Christian church.
You almost have to stay away from major denominations, don't
you travel well?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
You have to look at every church you walk and
do some even some of the big denominations, you still
find a sound pastor. But generally speaking, the smaller and
more independent the church, the more likely it is to
be sound. And so there's two standards you need to
look at if you're going to a church. One is
the church actually teaching the Gospel or is it teaching
(30:42):
some perversion of the Gospel? And b is the pastor
urging you to use what you learn in church in
the wider community and taking leadership. There's a lot of
churches out there that a Communists are left avoid them.
There's a lot of churches who preach the right gospel,
but they won't darn well do anything. Well, they're not
(31:05):
going to get you anywhere either. There's no point having
the right stuff if you never use it. Find the
churches who both teach the right stuff and where the
pastor and the leaders are willing to be involved in
the community, willing to be involved in civic affairs and politics,
willing to be outspoken, willing to keep open through pandemics.
(31:27):
That's the kind of church you need, because every other
church is either a communist church or basically a social.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Club, does not deny biblical narratives.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Well, that's right if they're denying. But yeah, if they're
denying that, well you don't even go near it. There's
no sense listening to an interview like this on a
Wednesday or Thursday or Friday and going to a socialist
or a week church on a Sunday. It's not going
to get you. It's not going to get you anywhere
other than a bit of a friendly company. To get
that at the Bingo Hall, you could get that at that.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We need positive resistance, need to stop sending kids to
your money to these institutions. Positive resistance doesn't mean go
in there and burn the place down. No no, no,
no no, but you do positive resistance. Don't send your kids,
don't send your money to any of these you've got here.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, look like Campus Crusade for Christ now called CRUE,
was once a very respectable, very active Christian organization. Now
it's completely woke and controlled by Marxists, but hundreds of
thousands of American families still send them money every year
because they still think it was the good organization they
(32:43):
went to when they were in college. Well, they've got
to do some discernments. Stop funding the enemies of the Church,
stop funding the enemies of America. Make sure you do
real good research before you send your money to these
organizations that they're not woke, they're not Marxists, and they're
actually genuinely Christian, because you'll be shocked. Don't be sending
(33:07):
money to World Vision, don't be supporting Campus Crusade for Christ,
don't be supporting Into Varsity. All of these are woke
leftist organizations.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Now, now, what surprised you when you did this video
Enemies of the within the Church? Was there something that
really stood out and you said, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We did our movie Enemies enemies within politics, and I
knew how bad the Marxism was there. I knew there
was Marxism in the mainstream churches and the Catholic churches,
Marxist pope for goodness sake, But it surprised me how
deep the penetration was of the Southern Baptist and the Evangelicals.
It really, it really shocked me, you know, because I
(33:51):
was brought in to investigate this because I know about communism,
you know, so they brought me in to say, can
you find it in the churches. Absolutely? I found it
in the churches in places I never realized, and that
shocked me to the core. But it's logical. You know,
if you're a Marxist, you control Hollywood, you control the
(34:11):
labor unions, control the Democratic Party, elements of the Republican Party,
you control education, you control the mainstream churches. But these
crazy Evangelicals and the Baptists, you don't control them. And
every now and then they get out there and they
elect a Ronald Reagan or a Donald Trump and set
you back twenty five years. Well, isn't it logical they
(34:35):
would want to stop that problem and get into the
evangelical churches and the Baptists. Well they did that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Even more important, this is a fight for the souls
of men. This is satanic.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is they can lead you away from God. They're
leading you towards the devil, and they are doing that.
People go to church thinking, they says, thinking they're going
to a good church, and they've basically been taught Marxism,
thinking it's Christianity. Well you think that's going to get
you saved? Really?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And also sitting there waiting for Jesus to come, isn't
the answer. Jesus wants us to be part of the solution,
not part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, this is another thing we have to you know,
the people who say the rapture is coming in five minutes,
it's going to come on Tuesday, next week or whatever,
Well we're told to occupied till he comes. And none
of us have God's timetable on our computer.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
We don't things go on God's time, they don't go
on our time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's right. I say to people, Well, if you if
your excuse for not being involved in politics is because
you think the rapture is coming or all of the
arces in God's hands, well I'll believe you are sincere.
The day you stop paying your mortgage, the day you
stop mowing your lawn, and the day you stop changing
your underwear, that's when I believe you.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Sincere, Now, how do I get a copy of enemies
within the church?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you guys have enemies within the church? Dot com?
Great enemies within the homes? And you can get a
tape of views that you can sit on your computer
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best place to get it is enemy within movie dot com?
Is that a good place within the church dot com? Okay,
I'll have that up on Truth Expressradio dot com. And uh,
let me ask you a couple of real quick questions.
When we were talking about and you've done more work
than anybody that I know of concerning our government, the
(37:39):
enemies within our government, And when you're looking at people,
how do we know who to trust in our government?
I know that we've got Illian o'mar and a few
people like that that we can't trust any further. You
can throw them. But it seems to me like we've
got the most corrupt government that we've ever had, the
entire cabinet of President Biden, and we've also got other people.
(38:03):
How do we how do what we was going to
happen with this? Are we going to have an election
where we can get the people out?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Well, we're in troubling a lot of ways we could
be on the world edge of World War three right now.
You know, we're at war with China. We're really at
war with Russia, and it's playing out in Black Lives
Matter and cyber attacks on our nation and epidemics and whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Plus we've got so many, so many sleeper cells and
things in this country.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Oh, we're heavily infiltrated. You know. Ratcliff, who's Trump's intelligence advisor,
said the Chinese had compromised so many American politicians they
could determine which legislation goes through Congress and which doesn't.
So what we're going to do is work locally to
try and keep the country together to get to the elections,
because I think the elections will be very good for us.
(38:58):
We've got to sort out our churches and sort out ourselves.
This is you know, this is we're given free will,
and I think God has not finished with his country yet,
you know. But we've got to do our part, and
we're going to not give up and be defeat us.
If we are fighting, miracles will happen, just like in
(39:20):
the Revolutionary War. You know, the famous fold that lifted
and came down in New York har but just in
time for George Washington's army to escape. You know, the
bullets that whizz through George Washington's tunic but never threw him.
So but we have to fight. We have to be
standing up and ready to defend our country and our communities.
(39:42):
I'm not talking violently. I'm talking doing everything we can
to take back our scoreboards and our congressional seats and
put real patriots into our state governments, and you know
all of that. We've got to do that. That's the
minimum we have to do. And we do that, and
millions of his do that. I think God will smile
on this country. I think that will be blessed in
(40:04):
ways we can't imagine right now.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I was looking at the sky a couple of three
days ago, and I looked up and the clouds, the
beautiful clouds here, and there was an angel. It was
as big as a house up there, wings spread out,
flowing robe. Could see the face an angel. I think
I'd sending his messages today. I believe that I'm not
(40:29):
giving flights of fantasy. I know saw another one looked
like a dog. Well it's looked like a little doggie,
but this was all by itself. Instead, there is there
for about twenty minutes. I'd never seen anything like that before.
It was a perfect angel with the wings out. My
wife saw it, other people saw it, just absolutely gorgeous.
I think we need to pay attention because if we
(40:50):
pay attention, God will send us signs.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah. I think we're in one of those times that
it's going to be pivotal in world history. And I
think it's up to every believer and every patriot to
stand up now. And I think we can save this country.
And I think you're going for a long time yet
doing good in the world. But we have to stand
up now because this is our kids future at stake,
(41:16):
This is our this is you know, we've been hands.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
For America, but this is for the entire world.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Well it is. And you know when you when we're
held to account, do you want to stand before God?
Do you want to say I helped to save America?
Or do you want to say I'm sorry I didn't
think it was important. I'm sorry I lost you a
great country. Please forgive me. What which would you rather do?
Would you rather stand knowing you've done your best or
(41:46):
being a coward or collaborator?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Which was well, I was waiting for you to come
back and take control. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, Well, we're given free will you know we're not.
This isn't given to us. We are given the opportunity
to apply God's laws to make this nation great, to
make our families great, to make our churches great. We're
given the laws, We're given brains, we're given hands, We're
given voices. We can choose to use them or not
(42:15):
to use them. That's on us. God's not going to
step in if we're not using them. He's just gonna
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Trevor, God, bless you for all you're doing.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Thank you, You've been able to real pleasure.
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