Victor Davis Hanson SPECIAL JULY ENCORE

Victor Davis Hanson SPECIAL JULY ENCORE

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, thanks for listening to this Erskine podcast and be
sure to come back and listen to more at Erskine Radio.
Thank you, Dar David Hanson. It's an honor having him
with us. He is a historian, he's a patriot. He's
a really great thinker, a senior Fellow of Military History

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at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, at Professor Americas
of Classics at Califoya State University. He's not one of
these who believes in Google. He believes in thinking. He
believes in people thinking and concentrating in that you can
learn from the past. That's why he has studied and
wrote on ancient Greece all the way to modern America.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is very, very significant.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He's altered over two dozen books from ancient Greece to
modern America, especially World War Two.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
His latest book is The Case for Trump. We're going
to talk about a few other.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Things, Victor, mister Professor Hanson. When we're looking at what's
going on, and you're looking at comparing the war on
the what would you call it, the environmentalism where they're
doing the green agenda, they're comparing that to the World
War Two.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's ridiculous, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, I think it is. I think and they know
it's ridiculous. I think their problem is that they're being
carried They being the Republic of the Democratic establishment, has
been carried along by this new wave of young, hard
left wingers and they're going to join them. And so
whether it's the New Green Deal, or reparations for descendants.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Of slaves, or.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
A wealth tax or ninety percent income tax rate on
top incomes, medicare for everybody, abolish.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Almost everything, embolished the wall, abolished.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
The Customs Enforcement Service, and the Balis, you know, all
student debt, the Balige Electoral College had a care for
everybody's no student debt, all that stuff. It's not fifty
one percent winning. They're not fifty one percent winning issues,
so every thing, and they try to get angry about them.

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And I think the purpose of it is they want
to ensure that the old white guys like Bernie Sanders
and Joe Biden, or the young white guys Beato Rouric
can't run a centrist. In other words, they're going to
put these albatrosses around their neck and that's going to
be the projective the progressive trajectory in twenty twenty. And

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the old guys are the moderates, and they're not moderate,
they're only moderate in comparison. Feel that if they do that,
they're going to they're going to end up like mc
government in seventy two or Walter Montale and nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
So because of America, America wasn't made great by a socialists economy.
America is not one of the keys. And you this
is something they're not taught at school now. I don't
know how you. I don't think you can get into
teaching the California school system, the higher system of education today.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Do you No, it's pretty much restricted them what you
can say and your ethnic and ethnic and gender profile.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So white guy, white guy coming off of farm, there's
no way, there's no way. The coming off of a
farm background, you learned about entrepreneurialship.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
You learned about you. If the tractor broke down, you
had to fix it. You couldn't go over to the
store call somebody how to fix it.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You had to know about how to manage the money,
how to manage the crops and money, manage things. That
is a true entrepreneurial spirit. That farmers had, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And I think that's what we see with this new
progressive agenda. And I try to point out in this
new Trump book that when you create a system economic,
social culture, when you have millions of young people who
go to city and they're so called hipsters, they expect
a lot of government entitlements, they can't really get good
paying jobs, they don't get married in the late twenties,

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they don't have children, they don't buy a house. Then
all of the things that make us conservative, in other words,
we have to take responsibility and make commitments.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
They don't have to do.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
So they have all these abstract utopian dreams about, you know,
banning snowmobiles, no more crieships, no more beef burgers. We're
going to give all this money from off the people
for reparations. And they've never had anybody say, you know what,
it's time for you to quit the prolonged ad lessons

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and grow up.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
And take reponsibility.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And so that's where we get this representative omar representative,
a Costio quartet. They weren't very well educated in colleagues,
they didn't have really good courses or courses at all
on history, literature.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Of math, science.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It was all ethnic studies, women's.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Studies, peace studies, black studies.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Leaders things will really helped the country grow, right, I mean,
that's real sanity. You all look at black studies and
black entrepreneurialship is up four hundred percent under mister Trump.
That is black studies that I'm interested in. People have jobs,
You've got a lot of things happening, and voters in
twenty sixteen, you say, preferred an authentic bad boy of

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the private sector to the public's.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Disingenuous good girl.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Apparently uncouth authenticity Trump insincere conventionality. In other words, Trump
won because he ran against Hillary Clinton. She's the worst
candidate they could have possibly had, wasn't she.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I mean, when she went to Alabama, suddenly she had
a Southern goal. When she went to the inner city,
she sounded like she was African American. When she went
to Pennsylvania, she bowled.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
And then then when she talked about getting rid of
the coal miners that affected all union people. They were
looking at that. They were saying, she wants to get
rid of these union jobs. He's good union coal jobs, right.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I remember Trump came in and said he loved big,
beautiful coal. And in Indiana there was Trump spoke in Mississippi,
or he came out here in rural California. He always
had the same tie in quote. He didn't put camouflage
like he was a hunter like John Kerrey.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
He didn't change act. He sounded like he was some queens.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
And whether you liked him or not, or whether you
thought he was too rich or not, people said, you
know what, the guy will say anything anywhere and anyone
at any time.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
And he's the same. He's always done.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Kump and the other thing that he did, which was
so surprising, Professor Hanson, is.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
He fulfilled what he said he was going to do
during the campaign. How unusual is that?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Well, it's very unusual because usually a president gets into
office and somebody in its Council of Economic Advisors or
the Harvard Government Department of Council of Foreign Relationships, you know,
you really can't keep that promise.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Because we just don't do that. Okay, I'm not part
of it.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I've never had political military experience. I know you think
I'm a buffoon, but I'm just going to do.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
What I said, Do what I said. How unusual.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And you also said that I've got to quote you
on this, and I want your answer on this one.
Socialism has a disdain for traditional working class rural Americans
and urban blue collar industrial workers and.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
The self employed.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Socialism basically, the oligarchical socialism of the elites, that's what's
going to kill them.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's this socialism of elites. Explain that a little more,
if you would please so well.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
That by that I mean is that the people who
have these hard left agendas don't ever expect that they
have to live by their own creed.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
They feel that.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You've got to give them a nice three houses in
the case of Bernie Sanders, or estate from Mart Zuckerberg
or whoever John Carey has to fly by private Jesso
is al Gore, because that they're entitled to that, because
there's such empathetic great thinkers. But the rest of us,
we've got a junker or snowmobiles or jet skis or

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gas grill. We've got to live in apartment buildings, we've
got to take high speed rail. But the people who
design all that lifestyle for us, sort of like in
the old Soviet Union or Cuba, Venezuela. They have to
have special exemption. And that's what Trump believe. He's really
been hitting that, that inconsistency, and that's why I think
they get.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Really angry at them.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Damozio Cortes and other people.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's animal farm. All animals are equal, but some are
more equal than others, isn't Yeah, it is. It would
be right back.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
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Speaker 2 (09:42):
The Case for Trump is a must read.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
The first six hundred days better than any of the
last ten years.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
The economy, energy productions of tax cuts have come in.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Deregulation has opened up American business, Border enforcement is up.
The GDP is growing records stock market and near record employment.
He's restored the military worldwide and opposed the global status quo.
We're having a whole change of all of that. Going
back to one thing professor has it, it is making

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America great and when people have jobs. It was Bill
Clinton has said, it's the economy stupid that should be.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
That is the key, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
It is.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
The idea is that under Trump he felt that if
a man had a job or a woman has a job,
and they're earning an income, and they're self supporting, and
they have pride in their craft or their profession, and
all these other arguments that we're having in society, whether
identity politics, what religion, what gender, what race you are,

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or minimum wage, all that goes away because people are productive,
they create wealth and they don't care about how they look,
what gender that because they're prosperous and comptent. You take
that away with a stagnant economy or high unemployment or
low GDP growth or high energy, and then you kind

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of force people to be competitive against each.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Other, jealous, the envias, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
You have all these other problems magnified. So that's why
I think they're really afraid of them because he's telling
the inner city or rural America, or poor white people
or poor Latinos. If we unleashed this economy and we
become the world's greatest exporter and producer of oil and gas,
and we've got this very low unemployment, then all of

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you guys have opportunities. You're not going to be begging
an employer for job. He's going to be begging you
to work for him, because you have choices.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
In ultimat that's happening. You can go where they've got
job openings. And the key was the Trump people. When
Hillary called them deplorables, that flipped it. That really flipped it,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
I think it did. I think she did about four
or five very dumb things.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
She called them irredeemables and the porbles as she said
she went into West Virginia and.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Said that basically she's.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Going to shut down the coal industry and put people
out of work. And then there were other comments by
Joe Biden and Barack Obama, people in the party and
CNN that made fun of red state America. I mean,
they would go to a Trump rally and say these
people had no teeth or Peter Struck remember in his texting,
was they said that they smell in Walmart. The sly

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diguised contempt for the working classes.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
They felt, you know what, demography is passing these guys by.
They're all in opia. It was almost as.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
If a bunch of guys in Michigan and Ohio suddenly
decided to take opias and then that.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Drove all the jobs away, rather than the jobs are.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Driven away by asymmetrical trade policies.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Obama said, they're never coming back.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
These jobs are gone, never coming back. And Trump in
his first month brought jobs back. So that really made
a difference. But when you're talking about calling people deplorables,
it's sort of like Abe Lincoln said, Lord must have
loved the common man because he made some money of him.
You think somebody's common, they'll smack you right across the face.
We're all special, we're all individuals. We all have our

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hopes and dreams. Now, the other thing that's happened in schools,
they teach America as a democracy. America, you know, and
this is where classic studies really comes in. America's not
a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. It's fair for all
the urban the rural. Instead of being elected just on
the both coast. We've got an entire country out there.

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Flyover country counts, the farmers count, everybody counts. The problem
with democracy slavery might not have been into a lot
of things. The majority rural doesn't really work, and it
doesn't work never worked in the classic times either, did it.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
No, I mean people were very skeptical letting the people
vote on any given moment. Fifty percent became instant law,
no matter what the law was, but it was to
kill somebody or extremely another society. So the idea was
we were republic with checks and balances. But you can
see what's happening when the progressive movement wants.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
To get rid of the electoral college.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
They want expellons to vote, they want illegal immigrants to vote.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
The idea is that if.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
We can't win the vote, then let's change the voters
or change how we vote.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh, then they want to expand the Supreme Court because
they aren't getting the people they want in it, right.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, absolutely, So it's an effort to change the system
because the system is not giving them these radical issues
that we talked about.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
That nobody wants.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
And if they don't want them, they think, well, maybe
if we let fellons vote, or sixteen year olds vote,
or or the same day registration and voting, or we
can we can change something to get the right vote,
almost as if you know an authoritary site, they just
keep voting.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Do they get it right?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's what's kind of scary. They don't like the system.
But we believe me, if Hillary had won the electoral
college but lost the popular vote twenty sixteen, they would
be praising the electoral college absolutely. If they came across
the Mexican border and they voted conservative like Cubans had
or Hungarian refugees had, they would say, let's stop that

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right now. We do not want these people coming in
the United States.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
So they're pretty hypocritical.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, you wrote an article that I found to be
absolutely incredible, absolutely one of the best that I've ever read.
And you just wrote it, Professor Hanson, waging war against
the dead. I mean, those Democrats are going against the
dead now, twenty first centuries statues smashing and racing history.
And you said, compare that to the Byzantine Empire and

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the French Revolution.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
He said two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
One the Taliban they blew up Buddhist statues because it's
sack religious to Islam. Two thousand and five isis Museum
and Moslie Track destroyed pre Islamic statues, also seck religious ism.
You don't destroy history by just blowing up statues.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
History is there, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah? It is.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And they're very selective though, if you've noticed, they don't.
I work at Stamford University and they've changed father's Sarah's
street name because they said he was mean to indigenous people.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
But they don't.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
They don't change Stamford's name.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Who is no, he used a lot of Asian laborers
and he Robert Baron for the railroads and everything. But
they don't change that because, after all, it is a
prestigious name.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Stanford is Sarah. He's not so famous, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Same thing with the Ale who is a slave owner.
And so the idea is that where can I opportunistically
and cheaply change the name it makes me feel good
or tells people in virtuos that doesn't affect my money
earning potential.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
And they're cowards because they destroy these things at night
and they don't bring it up to a reference them.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
They have counsels vot, don't they.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
And that's why I think that Trump doesn't exist in
a vacuument. I try to argue in the book he
has to run against somebody, and our election is about a.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Better candidate and a good candidate, and a.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Better candidate are a bad candidate and a worse candidate.
It's never about perfection. No, he's going to run it
in twenty twenty, not on a popularity contest, but he's
going to say I'm running on a record of low
unemployment and good economic growth and de terms abroad. And
they are running on these issues, and these issues that
they're going to run on are not going to win

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fifty one percent of it, just like Hilley is not
a magnetic character. So I think that left hasn't learned anything.
They haven't forgotten anything. They're going down the same path
as they did in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'll take short break, would be right back. The book
is incredible. The case for Trump definitely get it. It
isn't really a one sided book. He gives a few
of the warts and things about mister Trump as when
you're reading this understand that's not written from a Democrat
or Republican standpoint. It's written from a historical standpoint. That's

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what makes it so valuable. We'll be back with Victor
Davis Hansen, the Great Victor Davis Hansen, Professor Hanson, Professor Hasson.
When we're looking at Donald Trump, he will get upset
about his tweets. Oh, he hasn't careful about what he says.

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He'll say words that he shouldn't say. He isn't doing
anything compared to Harry Truman, and they called him. Give
him hell, Harry, go for it. People are behind him.
What a Hein's the difference?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, I think we don't realize. We don't study history anymore.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
That you know.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
We we say, well, Trump's not.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Educated, he's not He's not kuth That's what they say.
He's not Kooth's. He couldn't be using such words. Yeah,
but that's why it was.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
The people use.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
It is and they don't know that.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Truman said Helen dam All the time he took on
critics of his daughter's concerts, seeing lay Poker at night.
Yet he did a lot of good things.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, let me give you the best story about Truman.
The reporter came up. Truban's walking along and the reporter says, best,
can't you get mister the president to say fertilizer and
stem manure? And she looked at the report and said,
if you knew hell it took me to get him to.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Say fertilizer, you wouldn't even ask.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
So the fact of the matter is, Harry, you would
say what he felt like say he had people were
proud of me. Well, he's standing up. He's given them Hell.
Trump's doing the same thing he is.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
And I think that's why people don't like him. He
doesn't consult with the council formulation, and he doesn't call
up the book, and he doesn't he doesn't hire people,
he doesn't call up ex president. I don't think he
calls up George W. Blue asked for advice or no,
he doesn't. He doesn't say the Romney come in and give.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Me how should I do healthcare?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
And that that people resent that and the fact that
he doesn't really make an effort. And then if you
attack Trump, he'll wait two or three, four times, and finally,
like a coiled cobra, he'll swing back and he usually
gets the best of it, and so people think, Wow.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
He's everybody.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Everybody's waiting to see the nicknames that he gives to
the new uh, the new Democratic whoever comes out to
be one of the people that they choose. They're waiting
and see what nicknames he's going to get to them,
aren't they?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, they do stick because he has an uncanny ability
to to understand that people like Jim Bush don't have
a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
So low energy Jeb is it mine? I mean that's
gonna sick forever?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Right, yeah, Little Marc bo and all of them.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Now in your book, you've got divided essentially the three chapters,
and uh, part one is Trump takes over is a
via the mayor. It's still divided the signature issues, and
he's massaging the split or trying to and uses his
own person to fuel and get out his message. Now

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he uses his own personality. He uses that extensively, doesn't
he He does.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
And I think people are starting to be I don't
know if this sound counterintuitive, but they're starting to get
empathetic because he's kind of a figure that anything that
doesn't kill him makes him stronger. But by that I
mean I don't think a president's ever had ninety percent
negative coverage. As the Shorenstein Center said, they filled the
moment's clause the twenty fifth Amendment, the Logan Act impeachment proceedings.

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Initially the newer investigation.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
The Machad thrown the whole kitchen. Think at it an
they did. Do you think he had any idea that
this what he used to call the swamp, that this
deep state was as big as it is.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Did he have any idea that way?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Why don't think so.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I don't think he didn't have any idea that in
the twenty sixteen election that Hillary Clinton had hired a
foreign national, Christopher Steele, and then he had been given
money by the DNC and Hilly's campaign to pay off
Russian sources and then take that Fakedolphia and feed it
with everybody from a federal vizor court to the State
Department to the media. When he said that they're wire.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Capping me after.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
The election, everybody made fun of that. The Obama he said,
was wire capping. What that translated is quite accurately, the Obama, CIA, FBI,
DJ or n SC. We're all monitoring not only Trump
but his associated and he got out of the Trump cowers,
and some people from the Director National Intelligence said.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
You know what, they're monitoring you and that's why.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, they also were monitoring people at his golf clubs,
the different golf clubs and managers and stuff. They're monitoring them.
They monitored every thing about mister Trump. And you know
that would be a hard microscope to live under, would
then it is?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean, they put an informant in this campaign, and
they on mass names. They were surveilling people's private communications,
and it was all predicated on two things that they
felt Trump was so bad that any means necessary were okay.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
To get with them.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
But more importantly, they were sure Hillary was going to
win in the landside and all of this misbehavior and illegality.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Would be rewarded.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
They would run up to Hilly if you were Brennan
or Clapper or Comie and McCain and said, look what
I did.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I did this to help you.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Get elected and makes you say pat him on the
head and here's a promotion. But they never in their
right mind thought that Trump would win and.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
This would be exposed.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
And then they went into the Muller investigation sort of
as an offensive defense against.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Their past behavior, and I think.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
It's kind of come out though, and we're going to
learn a lot of people perjured themselves under oath, whether
it's Comie or mccab in or Clapper.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Or Bruss or others that they're testing.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Basically, it's the entire intelligence status of the United States,
the top level people, not necessarily the other people that
they're working against. The President of the United States really
elected twenty of the United States.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I think there's been twenty one officials in the FBI
and the Department of Justice, the Obama FBI and Obama
Apartment of Justice that they have either resigned or retired
or been fired or demoted because of what happened during
the election and shortly.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
After, why do you let the bill our investigation go on.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
They just want to go out because they knew that
he is. They want people to see them staying their wheels.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
This has a terrible distraction.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
It has been. That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
It's taking his polls down five g eight points. I
think now he got it half way. He thought, you
know what, the downside of getting rid of him is
not as good, you know, it's worse than the downs
That's what he said.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
It was?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
And I think after it's all over, I think they'll
try a jazz up the report and say this and that,
but they won't find collusion. And at that point Trump
will start declassifying a lot of memos transmissions and not
redacting the names. And we're going to see a lot
of people in the DJ and the FBI did some

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things that's going to be pretty shocking.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Now in your book the Case for Trump, Professor Hanson,
you don't just just absolutely praise Trump throughout the entire book.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You've got a lots of mistakes that he's made that
you bring out, don't you.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm trying to. I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I mean, the left has called me a racist and
a sexist. Of course, with the never Trump Bill Crystal
Wright that I'm a Nazi and Trump is a Nazi,
But take away all of that verbiage, and what I'm
trying to say is that he can eight things that
are crued He should have been addressing the spending the deficit.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
But all that, given.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
All that in perspective, if you look at the actual
analytics of his economic record in the foreign policy is
quite unusual that any president could do that, and astounding
that somebody could do that with a level of hostility
he's had and the lack of political or military experience,
and almost suggests that, Wow, if Trump doesn't have all

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of these things on his resume and he's succeeding, what
does that tell us about all the people that have
those things on their resume and they failed?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I ask you when we get back, I want to
ask you one real quick question, and that's about the
Republican Party. Where are they? Why are they not supporting
their own president when we return. He essentially has changed
politics forever in this country. We now have a conservative
party or progressive party, the Republicans, and we have a
socialist part.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Let's look at what's.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Changed Republican Party as we know, it's said, so it's
the Democrats. Professor Hansen knows the classics, he knows history.
This is something that's sadly lackey in school today and
we're getting a history lesson today. We've got a different
Republican Party, a different Democrat party today, largely because of

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Donald J.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
The Republican establishment doesn't like him, the Democrat don't like him.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So Democrat party's gone so far left.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
We are not the same country we were four years
ago or two years ago, because this has sat a
whole new dynamic, hasn't it It has.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I think what he said is that if you have
a position in the bureaucracy or the political establishment, I'm
going to question your legitimacy by the very fact of
my own success, and I don't really want you to
or dissipate in what I'm doing. So a lot of
people have asked him for a job, they've given him advice.

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When he says no or doesn't pay attention, they go,
like the anonymous op ed writer of September fifth, the
New York Times of last year, you know that we're
going to try to stop him, or he's dangerous or right,
he's off eds all the time, and so there's there's
a real hatred of him. But I think the Republican
Party establishment didn't think he was going to be successful,

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so they wanted to disown him and so then they
could recover.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
And when he became.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Successful, then they said, well, my god, what am I
going to do now in re election? So they they're
starting to gravitate toward him, and the never trumpers are
getting fewer, and because they're fewer, they're getting louder and
more angry.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, get a lot more angry.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
He is really upset the applecarts because the country was
being run by the bureaucrats, and he just totally does this,
mantled that, and we saw how they were doing it
for their own interests, not for the country's, and for
their own interests, wasn't it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I think they also people felt, you know, Bob Dole
or Mitt Momney or John McCain when they ran, they're
nice guys, but they.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Wanted to lose nobly. They didn't want to win ugly.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
They had won the public They hadn't won fifty one
percent of the vote since nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
But then he said, five out of the last six elections,
we didn't win the majority of popular votes.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, we didn't, and we had done very well at
the local You look at a map of the Senate,
even the house.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Is up until late it was all read and governors
were read.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And the question is why are we nominating people at
the top. There are these fixtures from the coast that
don't do well, or their party establishmentariums that don't resonate,
and people got very angry at that, and Pump came
along and said, here's six or seven issues, and it's fair.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
It's going to be fair, not free trade.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
And China's not going to take over the world as
long arm around. And I'm not going to go in
the street in the streets of Kabul. There's no need
to do that. And that got people very angry as well.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
And they also, I think they also, Professor Hanson, they
were tired of the Obama apology tour to the world.
We got tired of being put down even by our
own president.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
No, we did.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And Comb's attitude was, we don't have to be good.
We don't have to be perfect to be good. Everybody
makes mistakes. We make fewer than anybody else. But what's
the problem that we weren't good? People wouldn't want to
come here. They come here, therefore they must think we're
better than the alternative.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Now, why why can the millennials, since she's told a
lot in school, why can the millennials not see that
we have a border that he wants to put up
to keep people out so that we have those who
we want in to come in, those who we don't
want in who won't contribute to society. Here, those who
are just fairly bad we want to keep out. Whereas
in your socialist country they've got the walls up, and

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why to keep the people in. Nobody's clamoring to go
to North Korea, nobody's clamoring go Venezuela. Nobody was clamoring
to go to East Germany. Don't they see that?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah? I think they do.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
But remember, I don't think they really have a consistent philosophy.
If people when people are coming here from Hungary and
Cuba that were voting Republican.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
And they didn't like it, they didn't like immigration.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
If everybody was coming across that southern border were conservative voters,
they would build.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
The walls because we could say anything.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
If Hillary Clinton had won the electoral college and lost
the popular vote in twenty sixteen, they would be clamoring
now this day, we've got to have an electoral college.
It's only they change their principles to reflect their desire
to have power or keep it.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
So it has nothing to do with preserving our constitutional republic.
Has everything to do with preserving their little thiefs of
their power.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, I think it does.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I know that's pretty cynical, but what I've seen of them,
that's what it's all about. They just want to I
don't think Diane Feinstein's going to give up a private
jet or mansion or going the vegetarian diet. I just
don't believe it's to happen.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Your study of ancient Greece and other countries, you've seen
this happen to other civilizations. Most of them didn't make
it through. Are we going to have it? Do we
have a chance of making it through this?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:13):
It lasted much longer than Thomas Jefferson sol thought. He
thought it only lasts for twenty years.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
We're self correcting. But remember it's kind of dangerous when
you get a movement that says the traditional idea of
citizenship and sovereignty and self reflection and law doesn't give
us the results that we want. So now we're going
to change how we vote, how we present id who
can vote, when they can vote. And that's kind of

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scary because you're tampering with a constitution. If we don't
like the Supreme Court decision, let's put on let's pack
the court with more did justices.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And we don't have equal justice for all. We have anarchy, don't.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
We We do, and we already see that where I
work at Stanford University and on most campus.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
I speak at. If I were to dare say that
I don't believe in global warming, or at least I don't.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Believe the government can do much about it it did exist,
I don't believe in a pirmative action, or I don't
believe in fantaside. I would be you know, I mean,
I would be physically assaulted. You couldn't do that. You
couldn't go into a public form and give a lecture
on those copeices, and everybody.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Knows you couldn't.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
As cerebral Professor Hanson, I know you have to leave,
so I'll say goodbye and I will tell you it
said honor having you on. I have so much respect
for you. Thank you for fighting to fight. I know
you're putting your reputation on the line to do this.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Thank you, my.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Friends, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yes, sir, hey, thanks for listening to this podcast. We
got lots more, so be sure to come back.