William Binney SPECIAL JULY ENCORE

William Binney SPECIAL JULY ENCORE

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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radio dot com.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
William Bennie is an honor having him with us. He's
a former thirty year high level National Security Agency intelligence
official who, after two thousand and one retirement, glued the
whistle on NSA surveillance programs. Many of those programs he
set up. His criticism of NSA during the Bush administration

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made him subject of an FBI investigation at two thousand
and seven Radars Home. The excesses revealed by mister Bennie
had been confirmed by Edward Snowden tonight the horrigon of
the Missing Emails Drones the Snowden movie, which will hopefully
show him at positive life fighting for freedom. The website
is exposed facts dot org, which has people such as

(00:59):
Daniel Aylsbrough, my friend Colleen Burley, who are all associated
with Exposed Facts dot org. FBI agents we've got who
are in that organization NSA, people who are in the organization, academics.
These are all people who care about freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom.
As Ben Franklin said, you give up freedom for security,

(01:19):
and you end up with neither. William Betty always a pleasure,
my friend, welcome back, Oh thank me again.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Ben Gazzi.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
The emails recovered by the FDA FBI fourteen thousand, nine
hundred thirty of them at least related to ben Ghazi.
These were all emails that Hillary said did not exist.
She thought she'd expunge them. And they also are emails
which they're saying the Russians. God, but the FBI got
fourteen thousand, nine hundred additional emails just this last week.

(01:52):
They were not in the fifty five hundred pages provided
by Clinton of the State Department had said they need
until September to redact classified information, redact classified information.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
This is serious, serious problems right there.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
If it's called take them to September to redact classified
information when all she's talking about is yoga pants at
a wedding. This is insanity, is it? Thank God for
Judicial Watch and Judge Emmat Sullivan.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, well, I mean, but it obviously is not the
case that it was about, you know, those things. It's
obviously the things that she did not want anybody to
know about. So it was a cover up.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Cover up of Benghazia, cover up of different wars that
she started, cover up of drone activities, cover up of
the Clinton Foundation. It just keeps going on and on
on what she was covering up, and and then no openness.
This is supposed to be the most open administration going.
It basically is the Bush administration of steroids.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yes, and you know, with the election this year, I
kind of look at it this way. Well, Trump stumbles
and bubbles with words. I mean, she's bumbling with actions, right,
she's really her actions have really been bad and his
words are bad, but he hadn't done anything yet.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
When you're looking at this situation and the emails, they
are claiming that they are being hacked, that everything, Russia
seems to be the scapegoat. I don't believe they're the scapegoat,
do you?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
No, not at all. I mean I think I think
it was an inside job with the DNC and and
probably you know somebody, you know. The FBI really has
access to the NSA databases, which where they have all
of the data they've collected on the upstream data as
it was, that was the upstream collection program where where
the data is taken off the fiber networks as it

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passes by.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right, So They've got everybody's emails, especially somebody like Hillary Clinton,
especially their servant. It says insecure as hers. Wise, they've
got all of that information. All they had to do
is that asked the NSA for and they said, hey,
here it is.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I think some of the people at the NSA got
upset that the FBI did nothing. I look at what
happened to Jeffrey Sterling, and I'm looking at what's happened
to Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
My god bailed. That's ridiculous. What's happened to Jill Bill Nning?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yes about that thirty five years in jail. But I
would say, also the edit, the FBI doesn't have to
ask NSA. You know, they have direct access into their
data bases through the di TU, the technology unit they
have done at Chronico Virginia. They have a direct line
into those that's documented in this lives and the data

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the program relationships that were that Edward Snowden's exposed.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now, this is the sort of work that you worked
on with the NSA, and when you saw the extent
of it, you said, this is way too much invasion
of privacy, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean, well it's a direct violate.
They subverted the constant. I call this treason against the
founding principles of this nation.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Absolutely, you've got a right to privacy, but no longer
in this country.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't think we have.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Any right, or we have a right, but we don't
have an expectation of privacy.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
And right now, really you don't even have any rights anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, no, because.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
They really scrapped the constitution.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Absolutely, you've got a couple of issues going on. Hillary
Clinton blames Colin Power. Pale said, oh, well, Colin Powell
was doing this. Blame a black guy, Colin Powell. They've
got Jeffrey Sterling, who's also black, who's being blamed.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
And what was that.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Let's talk a little bit about the Jeffrey Sterling because
I think this is very important. Invisible man, Jeffrey Sterling,
you and the organization that you're.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
With, expose facts dot org.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Some of the very few people who even care about
Jeffrey Sterling. He was sued the CIA for racial discrimination
and after nine to eleven they fired him. Job Brennan said,
you pulled on Superman's cape.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, this is just ridiculous that.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's about four a little over four minutes of information
that may or may not have been anything. I mean,
this is ridiculous. Tell a little bit about that, if
you would please. In Operation Berlin.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I think, well Merlin was an attempted to subvert
the Iranian nuclear progress. But I think that the point
with in the court was that they introduced the metadata
that they had collected supposedly legally under the business record
stuff under Section two fifteen of the Patriotet. But that

(06:46):
was also, i would point out, ruled illegal by the
Second Circuit Court of Appeals last year. So I mean,
you know, it got finally made it into a court
where it could be argued, and it was clearly illegal.
I mean, it was a clear violation of law. But
they only had metadata to show any relationship whatsoever, and

(07:06):
I had no content, at least introduced in the court
of law, because if they took the content that NSA
had off off those files and introduced that, that would
expose the fact that they were collecting content and doing
things far beyond metadata, and they couldn't do that in
a court of law. So they were left only arguing
with metadata. But even so, there's still an area of

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doubt there. How do you how do you convince if,
for example, if like in a phone call on that
I have with you. Now, if they don't show what
we've said, but say we had a contact and they
accused me then of passing you some classified material that
you may have may not later on or earlier have
have referred to. Then they only have my contact with you.

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What does that say that we actually said. It doesn't,
It doesn't. I think it just says that we had
a relationship that may or may not be true. So
there's still in their area out But that's what they
used to convict him.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It took him ten years.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
August two thousand and one, he did the first ever
lawsuit of racial discrimination against the CIA, who denied a
Sigmon's due to race and him throwing out jeopardized because
they wouldn't listen to it, jeopardizing government secrets. After the lawsuit,
he was fired two thousand and six. Five years later,

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they raid his home. Twenty eleven, he was arrested for
the first time in his life, custon betraying his country.
Fired from his job at Anthem Healthcare, where he investigated
medical fraud. He got that ward he found thirty two
million dollars in bogus charges for goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, this is a guy who is a hero.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
If nothing else, and they went after him, they got him.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
He's still sitting in jail. More.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
We returned with William Benny. That's the story of Jeffrey Sterling.
That's what they did to somebody who's a nobody, an
invisible man, but somebody who like Hillary Clinton, she just kates.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is this the America that we love? It's not me,
This is not right. More than we return.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Did recover the Jeffery Sterling and a very short uh snops?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Is there, mister Benny or is this something you'd like
to add to it?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
No? I just think it was a miscarried to justice.
I mean, they should have demanded more of the of
the prosecution, and they didn't, at least the court and
the I couldn't understand how any anyone who was on
a jury could ever ever have convicted.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
No, but you know jury's can be intimidated too, Yeah,
I think so, and.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's probably what they did. I mean, after all, when
you mentioned the words national security, everybody freezes up. Even
the judges. They simply don't know what to make of it.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
You know absolutely, And you mentioned something like homeland security
that freeses people in national security. There's certain words that
anymore people are just there. Our liberties are just throwing
out the window with it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Do you have any problem talking a little bit about
the drone.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
No, No, I mean there are I think exposed acts
now as I think four whistleblowers on the drone.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Program, Yes, sir, and they have four of them.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Americans can't read the story of drones in New York
Times with the Washington Post. It's only available in places
like the Straits Times and Singapore in the Journal in Dublin.
So the stories are available all over the world except here,
we're not allowed to. That's part of what we're talking
about today, the absence of truth to the American people.

(10:50):
We do not have a press that's getting the truth out.
Either they're afraid, intimidated, or just don't want to get
the truth out. It's very difficult in this country. We
have such managed news.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
We didn't. We used to be a pastor of freedom,
freedom of the press no longer.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, And the First Amendment was to guarantee press freedom
so that they would have the ability to find out
what the government was doing and reported to the people.
But that's been the whole point of our administration and
the government that we have, is that they don't want
the people to know, they don't want Congress to know
what they're really doing, and they want to keep these
secrets away from everybody so they can't interfere with what

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they are doing. That's right, that maintains their power and
their control.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I mean, that's what every celltalitarian government does is to
try to keep them in the dark. Look at what's
happening with North Korea, keeping the people in the dark.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
But every cell solitarian government does that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
The UK, the drones are opposed fifty nine to thirty three.
They've got more exposure to real news, and the US
opposition is still thirty five percent. Even though that's going
on Operation Haymaker Northeastern Afghanistan, ninety percent were killed and
they of the not intended targets, nine percent of the

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targets were unintended targets.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's not what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
What they're saying is we've got almost one hundred percent
kill rate only on those who we are targeting. But
that certainly does not go along with the truth of
the operation. It's not a clean operation. It's one that
kills ninety percent are civilians. That's really targeting, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
That is a that's a sin.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I call it random slaughter, but it's really what
they're really doing is saying it's a word game with them.
If you get killed by a drone, you obviously wanted
the enemy, so that, by their own definition becomes, you know,
a valid Tariet.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
No, there were those stands too close to anybody because
they may be after him Martin with something and you're
gonna get it too, that's right.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
And and take a look at the Collateral Murder movie
that that was released by the wiki leaks from I
guess Chelsea Manning, where I showed that the gunship helicopter
gunship over Iraq, over Baghdad, and they saw a bunch
of men running around, uh one they interpret to have

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a weapon, but I couldn't recognize that as a weapon.
But he that's what they said it was. So then
they got in order to shoot and these the rest
of these men weren't even armed, and they just shot
them all. And then they waited a little bit till
people came along to try to help them. They you know,
if you were driving along in a car like the
one guy did with his two kids in the back,
he saw this guy bleeding on the streets.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
He saw help them.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Sure, tried to take him to the hospital, and then
they shot them too. So you know, that's called the
double tap. That's it. That's there, that's their guidance. If
it's called double tapping. Anybody coming to help them, obviously
is also one of them.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So what does us do to the enemy the isis
and to the others about over there, about their feelings, swords,
to the United States and their builties to recruit.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
If I saw this.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Happening, I would want join the side who's fighting these
people who are killing my friends and neighbors.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's right, I mean, it's it's just a disgrace that
we're doing this. I mean, for God's sake. I mean,
you know, they should be First of all, they don't
even validate that the person they're targeting. They're doing it
by metadata. That's what General Hayden said. He actually said
it we kill people with metadata, and it's it's really
the tracking the phones and the GPS of the phone

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to get a lock on by the drone. Then when
you have a visual locked, then then from there on
they watch them and target them. So but again you
know you they don't even verify that the right person
to target they're after is using the phone. I mean, really,
where are.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
They being targeted from? DEVENI They're being targeted from Creach
Airports Base and Preach Creach Airports bases part I think
people in Afghanistan and Rack and Syria. Creech Airports Base
is just about thirty miles north west, is the same
road you take if you're going to Reno out of
Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's next to Indian Springs. It's just on the right.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
And they are targeting humans and they said they look
like ants.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
The children are fun sized terrorists, they call them.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
And they're being targeted out of Creech air Force Base
in Nevada. So people there go have us some drinks,
watch a strip show, gamble a little bit in Vegas
after that, and they're going They're targeting people to kill
in Afghans and Syria other places and not even knowing
who they are.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
What's happening.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Sure, they're trying to get the bad guys, but if
they're in a group or something. How close and how
afric can you be when you're doing your fighting out.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sitting back home and a chickens all.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
The screen and Creech AIRPORTCE base outside Nevada. This is
this is absolute insanity. This is what war has come to.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, I know it's also being done from Ramstein Air
Base in Germany, but I mean, the point is that
when you fire one of those missiles and it detonates,
it has a range for a kill range, and it's
not limited to just the person you're targeting that has
a certain area around it that if people are in
that other people in it, that they're going to get
killed too.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And the people who are doing this they're suffering too.
They have PTSD and everything else because of this, because
they're looking at this and they know that these ants
and these fun sized eras are children and people down there.
They're killing people who they've never met, who they haven't
seen doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
This is really place plays on them, I think, And
I would also.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Say that it gives the world an impression of what
we think about the lives of non US citizens.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
If they can use it on non US and they
use the same drone program all American citizens at some point.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well, I mean, certainly the Attorney General had a hard
time answering that question when Congress asked them, would you
be using drones against US citizen? Didn't he?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Wow? Yes he did, Yes, he did.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It just tells you the direction we're taking, in the
direction we're going.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
When you're looking at this and you're looking at what's
going on. What's the answer to this, mister Benny, what
is the answer? We've got to get the information out
for one thing which is not happening. We get back,
let's go into what is the answer. We've got to
wake up to this. We're a better country than this
part least I hope we are. We'll return with William

(17:41):
Benny exposed PACs dot org. Sorry, nobody, our very few
people are talking about the drone program. If they are,
they're getting the administration angle that, ah, well, it's saving lives.

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We're not having put people into the field, we're not
having to have soldiers out there. We can do it
all by remote control. It's so fast, so easy, and
the killing kid has become such a fine art now
that we're really pretty accurate with it. We're very accurate.
The President says, were one hundred percent accurate. But as
the reports show, ninety percent of the people being killed

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in the northeastern afghast and were civilians. We need to
get this information out to the people of America because
this is this is not what this country is about.
In my opinion, I hope it's not what we're about.
Your feelings on that police there, no, I I this is.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Not what I devoted my life to defending this country.
I mean I did it because of the because of
the fundamental principles that got the founding of this country,
which had to do with human rights, all built into
the Bill of Rights in the Constitution, right, I mean,
that's what I was all about. That's why I devoted
my life to defending this country, and that's why I'm
still defending even inside the country against itself, you know. So,

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I guess the only real answer here is for people
to wake up. That is what this is what we've
gotten with the people we have in Washington, and the
only way to change it is to get rid of them,
Fire them, get fire them both them out of office,
get get other people in who will respect the Constitution
I mean and human rights. I mean, that's the only
way to do this, I mean then once, I mean

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I would say we have to look back then at
that point and start looking back at what they did.
Hold them accountable for that by indicting them, giving them
their day in court, let them say what they did
and why they did it, but they have to be
exposed and give them the opportunity to go to jail
for the crimes they'd committed.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
After nine to eleven, there were draconian measures placed in
on this country by George W.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Bush.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
And while the best books you'll ever read is The
Bush Crime Family by Roger Stone. Following that, we had
the Obama administration, which basically was Bush on steroids. Now
we've got coming in looking at Hillary Clinton, which basically
would be Obama on steroids. This has been a continuation,

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didn't matter, And this is one of the things that
had people so upset. One party or the other is
TWEEDL Dumber, TWEEDL Dumber. They both were extensions of the other.
We had nobody to vote for, did we no?

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Except you know, you know, now, of course you have
Donald Trump, who's really an unknown and is really stumbling
over his words. Yet so you're not a politician, Okay,
you can you can basically forgive him for that for
a period.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I liked that myself, mister Bettie.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I like the fact that he's not a politician, that
we've had enough of them.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, see that's what I'm saying.
He's not a part of the established political parties or
the political regime that's run our country for along. So
him taking him or other maybe even a third party
coming in, like the Libertarian Party, or being party of
somebody else other than the Democrats and Republicans. You know,

(21:12):
that's another option. But I had been advocating that we
should hold a state's constitutional convention out without excluding everyone
from DC. Keep them out of it. Oh we needed,
like according to the Article five of the Constitution, all
we need is a seventy five percent of the states
that thirty eight states to get together have a constitutional convention,

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and we could change the constitution on how we vote
people into office in DC.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think we need to change it back to its
original part where the senators were not held up according
to general election, but we're void in by the legislature.
They were not beholding at that point to any special
interest except for their own state legislature.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
That's right, that's right, and you know we could we
could do it and make it really truly public service,
like you select people for jury duty. You select them
randomly for duty in Washington, and absolutely you get rid
of all political parties. No more election, no more campaigns,
no more drawings for money and all this stuff, No

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more lobbying. Who do the people lobby? They don't who
to lobby.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think that after this election you're not going to
see the same old Republican Party or Democratic Party. I
think this election is going to change both parties.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, I would hope so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Because they both become tweedl dumb and tweel dumber.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Now coming up is a movie that's coming out, the
Edward Snowden movie. And there's been so much negatives that
they have put on about mister Snowden. Negative negative, negative, negative.
This guy has been as the trader and all this.
As far as I'm concerned, he went out to expose
excesses and abuses. Same thing you did, same thing, you did,

(22:58):
same thing. Colleen Row did, same thing, Danielleilsberg did same thing.
All those who are with Exposed Facts dot Org kept done.
You went to expose abuses of American freedom abuses against
the American public. Are we ever going to wake up
to this or is the propaganda so strong we.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Can well, I think I think the propaganda is really bad. Yeah.
There they are pushing their narrative over and over again,
and people tend to trust government. I mean, part of
the problem is we've been so accustomed to having a
free country. You know, it's been about two hundred and
forty years since we had a dictator here, and we

(23:39):
kicked him out, George's Third Right, and then in return
we got George W.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Right and that's.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Converted to so all back to some kind of form
of that. But what George's third had so but we're
so accustomed in the meantime for that several centuries, being
trusting our government to do the right thing, and so
therefore we tend to believe him and get the benefit
of the doubt without actually challenging. That's why we're supposed

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to have a press, a free press.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well, that's the other point I was going to bring up,
mister Benny, is the free press isn't free anymore. You
watched Wolf the Blitzer. I mean, he is just absolutely terrible.
Don Lemon's absolutely terrible. They are strictly promoting the government narrative.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's like we talk about with the.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Drones, you can read about, you can hear about, you
can see it on TV in other countries, like with
the information that's available and in place, it's like the
Straight Times of Singapore, the Journal in Dublin. You can
read all about it there. But if you even talk
too much about here, you might be in trouble because
they'll say, oh, that's national security. Well national security is

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available everywhere.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
But here that's right.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean how much how much secrets are
you trading in?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Went's everywhere? Now.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I know we need to have secrets in out certain
weapons we have and this type of thing. I know
that you know that you don't want people giving that
type of stuff away. But when it's situations like we
have with the drone program, We've got going after people
like Stirling for nothing, and yet you've got the Hillary
Clinton just exposing everything, every secret we've got in doing

(25:21):
playing for pay. I mean this type of saying there's
one set of rules for the elites and another set
for the rest of us, isn't there.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, that's why I refer to our Department of Justice,
as it's really the department of just us right.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Now.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
When you've got when you've got that type of a situation,
then that's an is totally against the way that America
was founded, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It is.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
It is a total it's a total subversion of our
entire founding principles.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
That's all now, Edward Snowden, we get back at why
ask a little bit about that?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
What your feelings are about mister Snowden?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
And if I feel like the band should come back,
and I feel in many areas he should be treated
as a hero. He tried to expose things to protect us.
He didn't make a dime out of this. He's not
giving away secrets. He's giving away problems that we've had
the same thing that Chelsea Manning did more than we

(26:24):
return with William Bennie, probably with Wayam Bennie, thirty year
high level INSA intelligence official. Mister Bennie, what's your feelings
on Edward Snowden? I know that they're fairly close to

(26:45):
what I expressed.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, I look at it basically as doing a public
service for everybody in the planet. I was asked once
on USA Today and television. What I thought should happen
to him. I thought he should be indicted for stealing
government property. But that I thought all the laws should

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be applied equally and in chronological secrets of the crimes.
So first we need to address Bush, Cheney, Hayden, Tennant, College,
all the members of the N S, A, C, I, A, F,
the I, D, O J, and and of all those
in the Bush administration. Then we have to do the
same people in the Obama administration. Then we do Snowden.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know that's going to happen, don't you.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. Well, I mean if we're not going, I mean,
we're not going to look back and take care of
those people and do the do the right thing there
by the law and the constitution, then why should we
be so upset about Snowden or others who have exposed
the crimes and criminality of our own government.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I look on him as a hero to expose this.
I really do.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Now, tell a little bit about Operation Berlin.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, as far as I know, I don't know a
great deal about it, except that it was an attempt
by the CIA to try to feed false information into
the Iranian nuclear program right, And it seemed to me
that at least from what's been set in different by
different sources. I'm not I'm not an expert in that field,

(28:23):
but what they had said is that some of the
some of them uh, misinformation was pretty obvious if you
look close at it, so that anybody who was any
knowledge of the field would pick that out fairly quickly.
But it gave them advancements in other areas that laid
out some of the programs that made sense, and so
therefore they helped advance their program that was all done

(28:44):
by the idiots at CIA. For doing that, you know,
it's like it's like that selling guns to the to
the cartels south of the.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Border, Operation Fast and Furious. I also compared the two.
I compared the same thing the Iranian deal. And also
when we were with Syria, we were going and we were.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Fighting the Sad government and we were giving guns.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
And this is part of what happened in Benghazi, so
Turkey to give to the people who were fighting a
sod from northern Iraq or northern Syria. Now what these
people were in northern Syria were essentially isis we were
arming isis That's right?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yep, I mean I got to president. It's the same
mental Uh. You can call it idiocy or you can
call it dysfunctional mental processes that ends you up doing
the wrong thing. But the people just simply don't seem
to think about things. And that's one of the that's
one of the things that's lacking in our government. Common sense.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Absolutely well, common sense absolutely when you look at taking
out somebody. And Hillary Clinton was very proud of taking
out Kadafi in Libya.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Kadafi was the most.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Anti al Qaeda, anti Isis person gone and she wanted
to take him out. Why because of payments payments by
oil companies from Yemen and basically from k Tar who
gave money to the Clinton Foundation.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Now that's somebody who should be in danger for that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, there's too much corruption involved with him. I just
can't follow all of it. I don't understand why. Well,
I mean, the only way you could understand what Komi
did was.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
That he was bought.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
That's the only way he was influenced to do what
he did.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I had always heard that he was a good man.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I didn't trust him even after the two thousand and
four hospital visit because he didn't really clean up the problem.
It kept going, so he didn't really make any difference
at all.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
So another problem was in on it. You know, he
was what other projects are you working on right now?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Sir, Well, I'm just about to take off to go
to Scotland and England to talk about ways and means
to try to influence their deliberations on the indust power still,
which is really a retroactive retroactively giving legality or attempt

(31:14):
to get legality to the bulk acquisition of data that
they've been doing since two thousand and one. Okay, so
I'm I'm trying to influence that. I'm going to also
show them how to do a targeted approach, which would
make it much more efficient for their analysts, get them
a rich environment to actually succeed instead of continuing to fail.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
One of the things that I've seen on data, they
get so much data that they can't differentiate what's important
from the garbage.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I mean, there's just so much data as they get.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Just to get masses of data, does you no good
unless you're able to differentiate, does it?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
And one of the things they're talking about over there
is adding an in the Internet connection record which even
just for Brettish citizens along will add about sixty sixty
five billion records a day internet connection records for everyone.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
What good does that do?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well, that's on top of what they've already got too,
you know. So, I mean the point is that that's
that if you simply looked at it, what's really happened
down over the years here since two thousand and one,
in every case, all the attacks that are real have succeeded,
and people die first, and then they take this massive
amounts of data once they find out who they did it,

(32:28):
and they said they can really focus on them and
do what they should have done before the attack, when
in fact they knew these people were bad all along.
It's just they couldn't get to the threat coming. They
couldn't recognize the threat because of the they had to
go through too much to find.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
It, Like being a patient in the hospital and say,
we aren't sure what you've got, but we'll learn that
the autopsy.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Am I right, that's exactly a good way.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
But I will be right back with William Betty over
that last eight years, mister Benny, are we more secure
than we were before?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Are we less secure? In this country? And you an
sitsipate more attacks on this country.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh, I think more attacks are coming, It's no doubt
of that. And I think we're definitely less secure than
we ever have been. I mean, even if you look
at the at the hacking that's going on, the recent
exposure of all the weaknesses that NSA was taking advantage
of in the networks and the firewalls, servers and operating
systems that we're just exposed here recently, what that's telling you,

(33:44):
very simply put is NSA has known all along that
these weaknesses existed, but they've never even alerted anybody to
fix them. Why because that allows them to look through
these different firewalls and systems into what people are doing
and they can read it and take it out for them.
They liked the window to be open so they could
see what people were doing, you know, Whereas if they

(34:06):
told them the weaknesses exist, they would fix them in
those windows would close, they wouldn't be able to see in.
So they were then therefore leaving everybody open. Because they
aren't the only ones they have smart people in the world.
Other people are going to buy these weaknesses too. So
what they were making a choice to leave everybody weak

(34:27):
and open and exposed so that they can get hacked
like oh PM or the DNC or anybody.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Wow, when you do that, that's the consequence of what
your actions cause. I mean, so everybody is still weak
and they've not fixed anything yet. They've known about these
things for years, and now my hope is that they
once they've been exposed like they have, you know, and
somebody's trying to sell them around the world. All these
weaknesses of the software that they used to crack into things,

(34:57):
So hopefully that will force them to fix them and
we might actually become secure in cyber in the cyber world.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
So the Russian story was a cover story for their
own inaptitudes.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Oh absolutely, I mean they're the easy escape of I
mean when you when they said things like, well, you
know the attack was a Russian hacker attack. Well, right,
it's a well known attack. Okay, that means a lot
of people know it. Well, if a lot of people
know it, they know the stop. But they know how
to execute the attack too, So who did it?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
The other party is getting back to the security and
defense of your network. Well, if it's a known if
it's a known attack, why isn't it. Your network didn't
defend against it. Why did it succeed? That's the other
part of it.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
You know, well, like even on this Dan Bernardino, No,
we didn't bother to check Facebook.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Are you kidding me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, when you heard that, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I just thought, we're being We're being We're paying all
these fools to work for us.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Kollege says the same thing.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Regard Klaine rely, I know you know her pretty well
said the same thing about nine to eleven. They had
the information, they had it all sitting there, Nobody wanted
to follow up on it, so there was plenty of
blame to go around in our own government.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
They had the.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Information, We've got all the information we need to protect
this country, and you're saying it's not going to do
any good because it's going to happen again, and Homeland
Security did nothing except made it even worse, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's good Dave, Dave had data they didn't know they had.
It was relevant.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Exposed facts dot org. Exposed facts dot org. Willim Benny
God bless you. Thank you for doing all that you
have done for this country and are still doing. You're
a terrific person, a wonderful patriot. Let's hope we can
get something going with constitutional convention. Thank you very much,

(36:57):
Thank you A true believer in freedom.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
William Benny Exposed Facts dot org.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
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