175. D'Lo Brown - Casual Conversations - TWC Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let alone be a double champ. So to have that
place in history, you know, long after I'm gone, people
are gonna look you go, oh first, Ye're kind of
hell chance Delo Brown. That's the coolest part.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And we are back for another casual conversation with the
classic I got a very special guest to take me
back to my childhood. It's a privilege and honor to
have you on the show, none other than Dlo Brown,
the host of the low Down Pod podcast on podcast
heat check Outs, pro Rustling tea Store, all that fun stuff.
But how are we doing today? Man?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I appreciate you having me on and let's chop it
up and have some fun.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
This is super cool for me. Like just a quick
little background, like I've been running the Rest in Classics
since two twenty fourteen and uh, you know when she
was throwing up classic photos and clips and stuff. And
I can tell you there hasn't been a single year
that people like that, like are LAPS fans, because I
get a lot of the LAPS fans that like haven't
watched for a minute. Like, but like anything, Delo Brown

(01:15):
goes up there like that headshake. That's like we remember
Delo Brener, what if Delo Brown? So it's great to
have you on it. You the fans love you, is
my point of that story.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I appreciate it. I consider myself extremely lucky at that
I did something that resonates with the people so many
years later in all the guys in wrestling, they'll still
be remembered for so long. Is fricking awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, it's amazing. Let me ask you this because I
ask everybody that's been the OG wrestling fan, and I
feel looking to be fun with you always, like when
I get to talk to someone that's been in the
industry a while back, because your memories are going to
be different. But what are your earliest memories of professional wrestling?
Like what do you remember seeing? Like that made me
a fan?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like, I mean a bunch of stuff, like thinking about
seeing dust Roads, laying on the mat, bleeding, reaching towards
the TV, watching the Road Warriors walk out, you know,
seeing a young Ron Simmons, seeing guys like Ernie Ladd
on TV. Like that stuff is in my mind in
my memory. That's like burned in the back of my brain.

(02:18):
And that's the thing. It made me become a fan.
That still has me a fan till this day because
I appreciate the the art, the skill, and then later
on I realized the dedication it took to become a
high level professional wrestler. It's a man, I've been in
love with this since I was nine years old. Now,

(02:38):
twenty years after I'm dead, You'll still read on my
tombstone he loves pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Now and you've been doing it. You've been a part
of it, no matter what we're going to get into
it like this entire time you've had. I don't think
people realize like you've literally still been part of it
this entire time, whether it's backstage, on screen, whatnot. Let
me ask them. I'm curious, now, were you like, was
it like Jim Crockett Promotions? Was it Mid South? Was
it Georgia? Like what were watching?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It was the little of both. Okay, So I grew
up full disposed right and grew up in Chicago. I
grew up New Jersey, so I grew up right between
Philadelphia and New York. So lucky enough I got television
station from both, so outam the Philadelphia area we would
get Mid South Jim Crockett Motions and Florida Championship Wrestling. Okay,

(03:21):
out of New York, we would get like the Subalpes
and and I W C CW, we would get Mid
South Wrestling, we would get Florida like we were. I
got lucky enough that I was in an aft like
between Saturday morning and late Saturday night, I could watch
about ten hours of wrestling between between the two cities,
so I got all of it. I've seen everything from

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Continental to to to Mid South and us w A
to a w A everything. I was really really lucky.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's that's a good spot to be in. That's that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah know, we were right in that little right there.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, that's little What happened to the rest of us
when we got older, Because I'm like I remember, okay,
those w W W and then like I remember waking
up on a Saturday morning and we had some like
a random like Seattle Chicago channel and I found Ring
of Honor, and I'm like, oh, this is like this
is interesting, Like.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It is such a great surprise when you don't you
don't anticipate seeing some weird, little small independent somewhere and
all of a sudden, there it is on your team.
You're like, holy, there's a lottery.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, Like there's more wrestling that I didn't know about.
This is awesome, especially when you're a kid. Let me.
This is before we move on to your career. It
is the last question about you as a fan. Who
would you say, Like you can either put in terms
of like just your personal or like maybe who influenced you,
but who are like you have top five then oh
see and like leave modern day wrestling out of it,

(04:46):
or I won't even talk. Yeah, yeah, let's go yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
In no particular order, the Great Mota, Yeah, Kurt Henning,
Ron Simmons, Arn Anderson. And then I'll take a combination
of the robe wars, like guys like that just larger
than life characters and the guys who just once again

(05:13):
later on you realize how good they were in case
of like aren't it and Kurt Henny, how good they
were at their craft, Like, those are the guys that
really hooked me. I didn't get into the Hogans and
the Flares. I wasn't the flashy guy. I was the
gruntworker guy. And those are the guys that I appreciated.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Out of all the names you said, you said are
in the Road Warriors, Ron Simmons, and you said Kurt Henning,
which is fun because that's Henning too, Like there's some cross.
But you've shared the locker rooms of the lock room
with all those guys besides with Muda. Out of all
those guys that.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I've shared the lot, No, no, I didn't know the Mudha.
So it was it's surreal because as I'm and I'll
take you into the locker room, it's very surreal because
you've got to maintain this professional exposure on your face.
But imagine looking across and you're having a conversation about

(06:11):
to go wrestle with the guy that you watched on TV,
and you're like, oh, damn, if I could ever get
a ticket to come see him, let alone I'm in
the ring with him. In the case of you know,
Kurt Henning in the locker room and Ron Simmons and
Arn Anderson in the Great Muda, it's like and even
the Road Wars like it's to be that nine or

(06:33):
ten or twelve year old kid looking across at these
guys going holy hell, this can't be real. So yeah, no,
it's it's it's I can't tell you how blessed and
lucky I am to have lived this life. And as
the as the wrestling fan, it's in me. He's giggling
every time, every day he's giggling.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
That's awesome. Uh yeah, I know. I was just thinking
about that's actually really cool. So then and then you
got to wrestle Muda. You obviously you worked with her
on you worked with the Road Warriors, Heady Win the
same Walker room. Yes, that's insane. Let me ask you this. Then,
let's go. Let's take it to your beginning days in wrestling.
Any memories of being Acey Animal, whatever, what's a fond
memory of you have of that specific period?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
So I can tell you May seventh, nineteen ninety four.
That was Acy Animal's first match at the Monster Factor
in Clement, New Jersey. And I wore this gold, shiny
outfit with with zebra print on it. And I remember
walking out the first day ironically on my first show,

(07:37):
xpoch was the main event.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I remember walking out nervous as hell, crazy, nervous
until I got in the ring and it felt like
riding a bike. Yeah, And I wrestled a kid named
Dave Dutch. I can remember everything about it. We rest
in too a no contest and acy Animal was that?

(08:00):
Ac Animal was that persona that was the high school
football meme? You know, I was that was? I was
ac Animal on the field. So it was an easy
transition to get that my first name in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
How important was it for you probably to like, obviously
you learned pursued arresting, made the decision, you started doing it,
you started training, you learn the fundamentals, but for you,
and now you probably know it so much more as
a producer and everything as well, But like, how much
was it for you to like, Okay, I got it
somewhat because you grew up watching come up with a character?
What's my personality?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
And that's a hard one too, because as you break in,
you're like, I'm gonna have this. You know in your
mind everybody's got their wrestling character they're gonna be. And
I remember when I first got to Larry Sharp, he goes,
think of what you want your wrestling character to be?
And I go, okay, yeah, I got it. He goes,
in six months, you won't be that, and I go,

(08:53):
what do you mean? And he goes, we all have
an idea what we want to be, and then we
go in there we start rolling around and rest one
and you can see what your real body language is
in the ring, and that's what morphs that persona. And
so I think I want to be the dark of
Sass and some mass because that was I was influenced

(09:14):
by the Great Moda. So I wanted to be this
mask in Ninja. And Okay, at six foot three, three
hundred and fifty pounds, I wasn't gonna be no mass
Ninja because I couldn't speak around anywhere. Okay, So then
I then it. Then it moved to being a brawling,
brooding type, and then it became more of an athletic
big man. But yeah, no, as you grow in wrestling,

(09:39):
your your your persona, your character starts coming out.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, that's awesome, that makes sense because it's always like
I feel like now that's sometimes the thing that I
feel like Now everyone wants to be able to do
the moves, but not everybody. Yes, character has that mindset.
So I'm thinking back in your day, like, was that
the mindset you guys had, because it was a lot
of character basic it was watching the promos.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was it was less about the moves because the
moves weren't that important. Back then it was more about
character and matches where he and wrestling goes to city
cyclical because after Steve Boston, everybody wanted to be the badass. Yeah,
everyone wanted to be that tweener who wore Jean shorts
right yeah, and then and then you fast forward and
everybody wanted to be the Undertaker. Everybody wanted to be

(10:20):
the badass no one could hurt. And I always liked
being that chicken shit heel. Yeah, I always want to
be the Tully Blanchard who was backing like this, Like
that's who I always wanted to be. So it goes
sitting call whoever is on top. Everybody wants to be
badass Roman reigns.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Now yeah, well now because of that, well back to that,
everybody wants the story. We went through the phase of
everybody wanted really good wrestling, and I feel like we
just got spoiled for like the last ten years of
really good wrestling on a national level. That one's okay,
the wrestling's great, we get it. Who like, give us
something to care about the matches again and that too.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's like when it all became up, but wrestling, you
saw ratings went down because wrestling. Pro wrestling is the
combination of character and matches, not one or the other.
And if you're lacking from one, you know it's it's
a shortfall in the other. Ratings go down. If you
look back at Attitude, when ratings were at its highest,
you had character and wrestling, and I think that's the

(11:19):
perfect combination.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
For sure, and tuicha broad audience. I think it's the
character is that people like you know. I can sit
here and tell you that Matra Man Randy Savage is
one of my favorite wrestles of all time, and I
liked him all through and through. But I'm a nice kid,
so I didn't live through the eighties. I lived through
tapes of the eighties because my older brother and I
thought like I thought, like nineteen ninety nine Mantraman was

(11:41):
great too, And then I go back now as an
out of them, like, oh, he couldn't move as well,
Like yes, but it didn't matter to me because he
was a larger than life character.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Because you look past a lot of things when there's
a character you love. Yeah, I love Steve Auston, but
his boots in the corner were some of the worst
boots in the corner, but no one can because Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, talking about characters. Though, then you got to work
in Smoky Mountain with the Gangsters. Oh you see, Connor,
tell me how I was working with New Jack and
them and that whole experience working with Jim Cornett and
the Heavenly Bodies.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, I will tell you, like I will say that
Smoky Mountain was like getting my college degree in wrestling
because I shared a locker room with the Rock and
Roll Express, the Heavenly Bodies, Tracy Smothers, Dirty White Boy,
all the Armstrong Clan, and then there's Jim Cornett helping
you teach you at promos. I mean it was like

(12:39):
it was like going to Harvard of Wrestling and then
I get I get dropped in it, and my partner
is new Jack, and I love new Jack. But man,
some of the things he used to say on the
microphone would even run chills down my spine because I
don't know how we got away with ninety percent of

(12:59):
things he said.

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Speaker 2 (13:42):
Do you have a special moment or match from that
smoky mountin around that stands out to you the most
or easily?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
It was the six man match that Meet Jack and
Stop Ahead against Tracy Smothers and the Undertaker and he
was free on two and it was the Undertaker was
gracious enough to come down for two days. It was
in John City, Tennessee and Pikesville, Kentucky, and just to
be that new in the business and I'm standing there

(14:14):
wrestling with the phenom the Undertaker. It just it puts
in perspective that, like, that was the night I realized
I could do this at the next level. Yeah, I
Smokey was great, but I now I had aspirations though
I can make it to a national company. Is because
of the Knights like that where I was like, Okay, I'm

(14:36):
good enough to do this.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Did the Undertaker remember you when you eventually got signed
to the main.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ro Yes, he did, and he said, uh, he said
to me. That first thing, he goes, I knew you'd
get here. Yeah, so that was one of the things
he goes, I knew you'd get here. And even that
night after the match in John City, Tennessee, he sat
me down and we're going over postmatch and he goes,
you know, stick with this. I think you've got You've
got what it takes to go ahead and make it.

(15:02):
And that's what really Okay. Now I'm starting to think
that way because before I was if I had made
it to smoking my career would end it, I would
have been as happy as a lark. I wouldn't have cared.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
But it was it was.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Nuts like that that once again started putting that that
fuel on the fire, going Okay, there's there's something more
for me, There's a little bit more left to go.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's a life right where it's like you think you've
hit a point like oh, I'm good where I'm at,
and then you get a bread crumb or something you're like, oh,
maybe I should keep going or there's something else like
that word good affirmation probably gave you was like, oh, okay,
maybe I can make it there. Maybe there's an.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Analogy because that that bread crumb made me starving. Yeah,
it made me starving for more where I didn't know
I needed to eat. You know, I didn't even have
a clue I wanted to eat till that bread crumb
made me go, okay, let's go.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, this happened to me a time. I'm like I
don't know what this interview thing. And the next thing,
you know, I got an interview with Stone Cold Steve Bouston.
I'm like, oh, I guess I can do interviews.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and life is amazing, Like we're not talking wrestling.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
We're talking Yeah, life, this is life. Yeah, this is life.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
We're talking. That's how cool it is. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's definitely a life thing. That's that's how that happens.
Then that's also good to ways sit back and think
about like what you've done and be like, Okay, what
I've done pretty cool. So it's like I can do
more cool things I was. I didn't I didn't even
expect myself to do this, so I could probably do more.
So who knows? Right? The best advice you got from
Jim quinnan obviously polarizing figure on the Internet, but one

(16:29):
of the greatest minds of professional wrestling and obviously just
a wealth of knowledge in an encyclopedia for professional wrestling.
So what's one of the best things you got from him?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Best things was keep your eyes open, your your your mouth,
and your your your mouth shut, keep your eyes and
your ears open. Listen. Learn you're gonna be around the
best in the business. And if you can't learn, that's
a you problem.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, which I think is fair advice because it's.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
True, it's true, and it's once again it's life lessons.
Keep your mouth shut and ears open, and you'll get
ahead in life.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah. Yeah, let me ask you this because I'm old
enough to remember when you first started showing up with
the Nation domination. Okay, you were just in the in
the background in a suit with the rest of the
crew with the I forget the name of the rappers
right now, the two white guys PG. Thirteen. You were
with them. You're part of the crew. They had the lawyer,
and like, we didn't know at that time. As a kid,

(17:22):
I was like seventeen years old, I don't know you're
a wrestler, didn't know where you came from. I was
like this guy didn't even didn't even connect the doption, like,
hey he's he's bumping around. Maybe he's a wrestler too,
Like I'm the kid. It was all it was all
real to me, Like what what was the plan to
you for you like did you know, Like was it like,
oh you did they already know you're going to be
part of the nation. Did you know you're going to

(17:44):
be active or was it like we're gonna bring you
as a manager to ball up the crew, Like what
was the initial plan?

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, so this is a twofold question. So when you
remember Plants, Mason, a lawyer, and all the other guys
wearing suits and ties, Yeah, none of those guys were
trained wrestlers. They were all Clarence Mason's fraternity brothers.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So here you've got the Nation getting a ton of
heat on baby Faces and the bay Faces can't touch
them back because none of those guys can bomb.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
So uh. Because of my connection with Jim Cornett and
Jim Ross, I'd made a phone called Cornett. He had
offered me to come up to New York to be
part of Shotguns Saturday Night, and I was just gonna
go out there to be the first guy to get
bumped by the baby Faces. That was the i'med Johnson
Pearl were plunge on top of the Lincoln. Yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
People haven't seen that clip was awesome. I remember it
like being in the Survivor series commercial and I'm like wait,
because I think it happened like Gonna. It didn't happen
like on RAW.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I don't think no Shotgun Saturday Night.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
So like I didn't see it when it actually happened.
I didn't see when it happened, but I remember seeing
the clip all the time like that. So cool, but yeah,
go on.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Sorry, So I was brought in to be the bump
guy for the Nation so they can get neat on me.
And as we're going around the country, then they started
putting in matches and and gain more and more trust
in you know, house show matches. I was going out
there involved in finishes and all that stuff. And as
their trust grew with me, then they were like, okay,

(19:11):
we can move, we can elevate this kid up from
just being in the background. Let's bring him into the
foreground now. And Ron Ron was instrumental in this because
he saw a lot in me and he kept he
put a lot in me into in terms of knowledge.
And once again, if if smoking mountains where I got
my college degree, being next to Ron Simon is where
I got my PhD. Like that's where I really learned wrestling.

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And because of Ron's recommendations and and Jerry Briscoe, who
is the house show agent, they decided to trust me
more and then make me a feature character. And as
they say, the rest is history.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
It's crazy because as the years go by now, especially
in the last like ten fifteen years, you hear a
lot more of like the people Ron Simmons helped out.
You started hearing the stories more like and and it's
it's like you of the Rocks doing lines that he
would just be saying in the car and using them
on TV, or like he helped this this person over
get this kind of what was the biggest thing you
learned from Ron?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Patients, pay attention to everything is going on. And and
when you get out there, when you get two minutes,
to make it the most important two minutes anyone's ever seen,
because you don't know if you're you're not guaranteed the
next two minutes. And and to go into full full
disclosure of Ron, and I use this term, he is

(20:30):
like the dom of professional wrestling. Like he has he
has mentored, trained, helped thousands of wrestlers. He has inspired millions,
but he's physically helped thousands. And I wouldn't be talking
to you right now if it wasn't for Ron Simmons

(20:52):
sitting there talking to me. Yeah, And I I owe
Ron more than anything I can ever say. And and
in fact, he's the reason why I like to give
back now as an agent producer, is because if I
could be half the inspiration that Ron Simmons was, then
my entire career was a success. If I could be

(21:12):
half of what Ron Simmons.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Was, which I just as a fan I find very
interesting because maybe that is something those of you that
got to work around him kind of like you paid
it forward. You're producing this stuff. We always hear these
stories of Mark Henry putting people on and helping people.
Maybe maybe that's something that kind of trickled down by
sitting in a car with Ron a lot and just
hearing stories and getting advice.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's not by accident. It's very much inspired because we
and I'll speak for Mark in this, we both enjoy
walking in the shadow of Ron Simmons and we hope
we can live up to the shoes that he wears.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, let me ask you about that. Asking about that later, Butlas,
But now, how was it team with Mark Henry? There
was a point you two were the the dynamic duo
of the nation, and even after the nation kind of
started doing the own thing, still the two of you,
you were there for his transition of being Mark Henry
to sexual chocolate. Yes, how's your relationship with Mark Kenyan?
How is the team with him?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Here's the thing is Mark and I, when we got
put in the nation together slowly became best friends. So
what you saw in the ring was just an extension
of what we were in the car, at the hotel,
in the restaurants like we were just we're just chopping
up and cutting it up, and we got to do
it in front of a camera and for the world.

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So till this day, I could call Mark right now
and we talk about everything from family to football, to food, anything.
That's my dog. He is. He is the brother I
never got to have and the one I always wanted,
and Mark is He's part of my family and I'm

(22:50):
part of his. I've sat his mama's table and had dinner.
So it was just easy to be in the ring
with him because we're just two friends, goof and all.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, which is the us sometimes? Right? Let me ask
you two more marek Henny questions. One, how happy were you? Impressive?
Was if we to see because we've heard the stories
Jim Ross's podcast what not, that when they brought Mark
in he wasn't really getting it right away and they
kind of worried because they gave him a fat contract
because he had the background. How cool is it for

(23:19):
you as a friend of his to see his growth
eventually win the world heavyweight, to accomplish everything he did
eventually accomplish.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
It was it was like seeing your brother win the
Super Bowl. To watch Mark's growth and his path from
it's almost like he was he was dropped into Japan
but didn't know Japanese, and to watch him struggle with
the language and then to slowly put it together to

(23:46):
one day being proficient and fluent and going out there.
And at one point Mark was the biggest heel on
the planet. You know the House of Page, He was
the biggest heel on the planet. Yeah, And watch that
growth was amazing, aspiring, And I told him, uh, more time,

(24:08):
more times that I can count that. I'm I consider
myself lucky to have a front row seat for his career.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, no, that's awesome. And then the second part was
his son, his son dressing. Now, how cool is that?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Well, right now Jacob is playing football at University of Oklahoma. Yeah,
but when he's done playing ball, Yeah, he gonna he's
gonna be He's gonna be Mark Henry two point zero
and Jacob right now. And Mark won't he won't admit this.
But Jacob is stronger than Mark was at that age,
which is scary.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
No, I've I've met him. I've met him a couple
of times, A big kid man, and I thought he was.
I thought he was older than he was. I thought one, yeah, yeah,
I thought he was like twenty five. He's a big
he's a big boy.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
And here's the he's got. He's got Mark's charisma.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, and he's he's he's a one.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Hundred steps ahead of where Mark was in terms of
being in front of the crowd because he got to
grow up watching his dad be there and Okay, this
is what I want to do. So he's gonna be
such a natural. Wait till that second generation steps in
the ring. Yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna he's gonna destroy people.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, I'm intrigued him and excited to see it. I
saw him like and I was at a busted open
party and they told me like, oh, no, he wants
to wrestle. I was like, I, clearly he should. Yeah. Uh.
Let me ask you about the rest of the nation
really quickly. The Godfather. I've got to meet and hang
out the Godfather at a time. Give me a good
memory about the Godfather.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I will tell you, okay, one okay, since since Wade
is funny legal these days, I will tell you one time.
The first time I ever spoke with Godfather, I got
so high I lost an entire day, wrestled him in
a match in Toronto SkyDome, crossed the border twice, and
I have no recollection about That's how high Godfather got me.

(26:04):
I refused to smoke with him ever since that day.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know what he gave you. But that's something else.
The talk about Owen hardy. Obviously you got the part
of the nation. That's when you guys mix it up.
It wasn't no more like the black Panther type of
movement situation. It became Owen's in here. Enough is enough?
Give me a good Owen hearts. I was a Canadian
kid loving the hearts, a big one hart Owen.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
We used to call mister white Folks because he was
in the nation and a white folks mad. But I
tell the same story every time I tell about Owen.
Owen was whether you were older than him or not,
he was your baby brother. So everyone protected Owen because
that's how special he was. And and my favorite story

(26:51):
tell about Owen is he and I are wrestling one
day and I don't know why, but some reason I
am just I'm beating the life at him. I'm clubbing
him with everything. I'm hurting and I can feel it.
And every time I hit him, I'm going, oh, sorry, sorry,
I know I'm hurting him. So next thing, you know,
I want to such a great wrestler. He reached around
you tip spins me around, snap mare's me, puts me

(27:11):
in a headlock or chin lack, and I'm looking. He goes,
look at your boot and I look down and one
of my boots are on lace. Now a boot being
unlaced is like walking on your zipper undone in public.
So I'm like, oh god. So I reached down with
my finger. I poked the lace back in.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
He goes, Okay, wrestle around again, snap mare, chin lock.
Look at your other boot. I look at him. My
other boot is unlaced. Now I'm going, holy hell, I'm
never like this. I'm not. I'm more professional. List my
laces they're never undone again. Awe gets me murals around,

(27:50):
snap mare, chin lock. I looked at both my boots.
My lace there, and he goes and I hear in
my ear, look at the referee shoe. I look over
the referee. The refere reshoe was unlaced, and I start
giggling and open my ear. I can hear I can
hear Owen giggling. And then he goes, are you relaxed?

(28:11):
And I go yeah. He goes, now, let's go wrestle,
And we went out there and did another twelve minutes
or just high end match. And I tell everybody, Owen
was so good in the ring, and he's by far
the greatest. I've been the ring with a lot of dudes.
He is the best wrestler been the ring with. And
he was so good in the ring. He could tell
a great wrestling story. He could put it on a

(28:33):
five star match, and he could rib you. And the
people were none the wiser. All they were seeing was
Owen Hart just going out there and wrestling. That's how
good Owen Hart was. And I miss him dearly, and man,
the world needs more Owen hearts.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, definitely, And then I never ever guess think of
hearing a good own heart story ever, that's what. But
when you put in that perspective of like that was
his way to like who's really yeah, yeah, and get
you out of your own head.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
He was getting me right.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
He got me to a place where I just relaxed
and I wrestled. Yeah, and that's how good he was.

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Speaker 1 (30:42):
Keep doing the thing with the Leader, Yes.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
How because obviously you were there initiate with the original
nation as well, So like, how was it working with
Crush and Savio Because those guys don't get a lot
of love as the well Crush does, but Savio sometimes
doesn't get as a lot of love as you should.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I saw. Okay, if you're if you're a fan of
Steve Auston, the reason why Steve Auston got over is
because of his strap matches with Savio Vega. This is
what started to Steve Austin run. That was the first
time there was a stone cold and he was wrestling
for the Intercament title in Caribbean strap matches with Savio.

(31:19):
Savio was is that dude? He is that good. He
does not getting up love, but his in ring work
off the charts, his his ring psychology. He could put
together a match with a squirrel and it would be
five star. Like Savio is the unsung hero of the nation,
because there was a lot of times he would have

(31:40):
ideas and plays for like in matches and finishes. Savio
was up the brains. I will throw flowers at Savio
all day long and then crush one of the man.
One of the nicest dudes on this planet. You see,
you saw this big, hawking man, but in he had

(32:00):
this golden heart. And if he loved you, if he
was a friend of yours, God had mercy on anyone
who came at you in a negative way because he
would be right there and depend you.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's awesome. And he's a scary dude to have defending
you too. So I want to I mean not looking
across it, obviously, Dwayne in the Rock Dreen Johnson, you know,
obviously superstar of the world now, but at the time
you saw him turning from the blue Chipper gimmick that
wasn't that great into the Rock. Rocky might be into

(32:31):
the Rock. How was it working at the Rock and
seeing his entire journey.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
At to this point it was cool. And if anyone,
if anyone says they could see you Rocky and he's
poofy hair, might be and go, He's gonna dominate the
wrestling world. They're lying to you. No one saw that coming. Yeah,
But but I can tell you as someone who was
in the car with him and someone who you know,

(32:56):
stayed in the same hotel room. I saw his work ethic.
I saw his will to get better. I saw him
cutting chromos at eleven o'clock at night in the mirror
at the hotel as we're driving down the road. If
something a catchphrase came on in a song, he'd pull
out a pen and a pad and write it down

(33:17):
just so he wouldn't forget it. The intensity of him
learning his facials and learning the people's eyebrow, you know,
in a hotel when no one was watching. Seeing that,
I knew he had the foundation to be good. Now,
did I think he could become great and dominate the world,
to become at one point the most famous actor on

(33:39):
the planet. No, But man, what a ride it was
to watch it was. It was cool to have that
front row seat and have that perspective that no one
else got to see.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I have this theory about him, and you knew him
personally and you worked with him when he was out,
And I tried to explain the theory to people because
I feel like there's this thing about the Rock that
people don't realize, and using this kind of puts his
third to FACTORO. I'm like, people don't realize how much
of whatever he's doing, whether it's acting, wresting, how much
of a student of the game the Rock is to
learn and soak and stuff. Because everyone always just like

(34:12):
everyone just remembers The Rock as like, oh, he was
so popular and he was great. But they I'm like, yo,
but do you guys remember ninety six to ninety seven,
like you know, yeah, And then everyone's like, oh, the
Rock's the biggest actor in the world, He's the greatest.
I'm like, do you guys remember like two thousand and
three to twenty eleven when he wasn't making great movies.
I'm like, he obsesses and he and he goes through
the struggle and then he reaches a point of success
because he did that, and nobody ever accounts for that stretch.

(34:34):
You know, people success and I'm like, the rock is
the man, But there was You understand that for the
younger generation that yeah, it's in gratification. There was work
that put in, what was put in there for him
to get where he got all the time, absolutely no one.
Everyone sees the finished product and goes, that's what he is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I got to see six months before you get Scorpio
kaying him reading acting books in the car, hearing about
him going acting classes. Uh, you know, no one knows
that work. And I got first hand account of seeing
him immersing himself and becoming extremely if he was gonna
do it, he wasn't gonna do anything half assed. He

(35:13):
was gonna be he was all in. And that's what
fueled his success. It wasn't the fact that he's most
charismatic or he was a natural. It's because he worked
hard to get to those points and then it naturally
came out.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Another life lesson.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yes, work your ass off when no one is watching,
and then it pays off when the world.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Is Yeah, and then and then when the world is
they might not remember that you worked your ass off.
But you know, people that have goals, they'll know liked
putting on work. You know, one of the greatest rivals
of the nation, and we're gonna wrap up this nation
thing really quickly. But also he was in it for
like a cup of coffee. What was your relationship with
Ama Johnson? I know he's a polarizing figure. I actually

(35:55):
recently just interviewed Feruke at a convention. Ron Simmons and
he talked but how they squashed their beef and you know,
it is what it is. It was good to see him.
You know, they're both not active in the business no more.
There's no level of competition or anything. But what was
what was your take on Ahmed and your memories with them?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I always looked at a Med as the guy who
was supposed to have a ton of success and never
lived up to his potential. He was supposed to be
the dude he was supposed to be him.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
For various reasons, he never he never aspired to it
and as you astutely put out up, you know that
he and Ron have squashed their beef. And and I'm
with Ron. If if he and Ron are okay, then
he and I are okay, because I follow wrong. When
Ron's mad at somebody, Ron can be mad at his shoe,

(36:50):
and I'm mad at his shoe too. Okay, So I
got no heat with Amed. I wish him the best.
I h a very long and fruitful life, and and
you know, hopefully one day he gets the flowers he
deserves for his moment in the sun in wrestling, because
he was something no one had ever seen before, and

(37:12):
quite frankly, I don't think anybody's ever seen since. He
was just a freak of nature. Yeah, and I wish
I wish his career would have played out differently because
he should have been and could have been a world champion.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
It seemed like he was being almost groomed to be
the first black w W champion at that time. It
looked like doing that stuff. Obviously, injuries kind of plagued
him a bit, but then you know, from what you hear,
there's also maybe a little of it got to his
head and then he got scared, you know, Yeah, people
coming for him.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
You know. It's it's amazing how success sometimes breeds ego, ego, contentment,
and then paranoia and those all play in there. And
sometimes you see people coming at you when no one's
coming out you. Maybe they're coming at you to help you.
And sometimes you see people coming at you as trying

(38:04):
to take your spot. And I'll leave it at that.
Just that's a man who should History should have been
different and all men should have been world champion.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, your initial thoughts when it happened, and your thoughts
now of the d X parody of the nation. All
the times have changed, but when it happened and then now.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
And there's a difference between twenty twenty five perspective and
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
One hundred and I'm the once again, I'm one in
ninety one. I get it. Those things I used to
say that you had not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yes, there's a lot of things that I said. Did
that statute of limitations having expired again?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Now in ninety eight, I was incredibly entertained. In fact,
the DX had come to us and asked us for
ideas on how to be us better. I thought the
segment was incredibly funny. I thought it was something that
helped jump start the rivalry. Now twenty twenty five me,

(39:00):
we could have done the exact same segment and then
just as funny without blackface and some of the some
of the racial humor. Yeah, we could have done the
exact same thing and been just as funny. H If
I could go back in time, there'd be a couple
of things I changed on it. But would I changed
the whole segment. No, but there'd be some pieces I
would nitpick out of there, because it it truly fuel

(39:24):
really jumps out of the rubbery between Nation and d
X and then launched us in that the whole summer
of Gang Wars.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, and honestly, like people's wort talk, pot taste remembered right.
And it's like if you watch any stand up comedian
back in the day, you watch the Hugu Le Show,
the comedy in there is probably wouldn't stand today, but
it was funny at the time.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
It was funny for the time, for the world we
lived in. It was funny then. I mean people people
get flocked on one of my favorite movies, Tropic Thunder. Yeah, yeah, Robert,
it wouldn't play today, but hell was it funny? Then
I saw the DVD copy of it right now.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, no, it's just yeah. I was in Chattanooga for
that convention when interviewed Ron, and I was in my
hotel and the Netflix in America is The Hugles, and
I started watching it and I was like, Oh, a
lot of this it's funny as hell, but a lot
of this doesn't offly today.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know, if you looked at comedy from the seventies,
I mean there was a show called All the Family
where yeah, Archie Bunker was a was a not racist
and drop the N bomb on TV. Yeah, it was
funny in seventy nine. It wasn't funny in eighty nine
or ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
No, for sure. Let's wrap this part up. Then, what
do you think is the legacy of the Nation of Domination.
I do think like, as a group, you guys should
definitely go in the Hall of Fame at some point.
I mean, the Heart Foundation has d X, has the
nWo has. I think you guys up there as one
of those groups that, like everybody remembers you. Anytime you
guys get together at a meat and greet or a convention,
you guys post together. Everyone gets excited. What's what? What

(40:56):
do you think the legacy of the Nation of domination is?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I think the Nation, without a doubt, as a whole,
should be in the Hall of Fame. And if you,
if you, if you look at the benchmark of what
a faction is, usually a faction is built as a
as a vessel to get one guy over the horseman
with flair with the Nation, everyone that was in the

(41:19):
Nation got bigger after leaving the Nation, so that lets
you know what kind of launchpad the Nation was. Yeah,
everyone had their most success after it. And the Nation
was such a revolutionary thing. It was ahead of its time.
It was polarizing, it was everything the pro wrestling is
supposed to be. It made people talk about it and

(41:41):
and till this day, as you put it out thirty
something years later, people not only still talk about the Nation,
but remember it fondly. It's standing a test of time,
and to me, that's something that's Hall of Fame worthy.
So I am I am all on the Nation as
a group. All of us need to stand up there
one last time the fists and walking the Hall of

(42:04):
Fame together.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And it's crazy because even though it wasn't that at
the beginning, and it wasn't that when Owen was in it.
It's it's you know, when a faction gets together, was it,
whether it's evolution or the nWo or d XI. For
the most fans of the eighties, they will compare.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
It to the four Horsemen.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
They'll immediately do where does this faction stand to the forests.
But now with the new generation of fans, they will
they will put every faction up against the nWo and DX,
like where does this faction stand with the DXN of you?
We've seen it over. Anytime a group of black males
get together in a group, it's always, oh, it's the
new nation.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yes, I should tell you how how important the nation
is when anytime four black guys get together, three version
of it, Yes, a.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
New nation of domination every single time. So it shows
that like it left and impact, and it was a
representation for a group of fans as well that was
like that's our group, Like that was our Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
That's our horsemen, That's that's the people who were gonna
ride with Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, Like for us Canadians, like the Heart Foundation
will always be special to us, and you know they
Davy and Idhart weren't even Canadians and just the heart.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
They were Canadian married. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, Pilman wasn't either, like I'm just like you love them.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
They did. They were Canadian because they trained in Calgary.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, but uh, that was move on quickly. One of
the first double champions. You were the Intercontinental European champion
at the same time. How was that for you? I
love the whole tour of Europe thing where you're from
a different place in Europe all the time, but how
was that honored to be the double champion at that point?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
It was. It was one of those surreal moments because
I remember even let's talk about getting the the York
Continental title. I remember it was like a Saturday, I'd
won the Saturday I won the European title back from
like Median I think it was. And then it was
Monday night on Raw that I beg Jeff Jarrett for
the Unercontinental title. And I remember when when Vince Rusu

(43:58):
camp to me told me what the plan was for
the day, I was like, why are you ribbing me?
Why are you joking with me? There's no way I'm
gonna be a double champ in this company. He goes, yeah,
we're gonna put the IC belt on you. And I
didn't even want to touch the belt because you take it.
You always take pictures before with the belts when you're
gonna win them. I didn't want to touch it because

(44:19):
if I touched it, I was gonna I was gonna
ruin it. And then had to match. And then remember
that night, I had a twin hotel room with two beds,
and I remember laying both belts on the one bed
and I sat down the other and I just sat
there for what felt like forever, staring at both belts,
thinking to myself, how do I have both of these
with me right now? Yaw? And then to realize in

(44:44):
the long history of wrestling, there's not many firsts ever,
and be the first guy to ever have both these
belt at the same time, dude. Once again, the nine
year old side of me was doing backflips. The professional
in me was like, stay calm, stay calm, but I
couldn't because I'm like, this is freaking amazing, Like this

(45:05):
is this is one of the coolest things ever. And
then the amount of pride I had knowing the company
believed in me that much to not put one title
on me but two and to go carry him and
to go out there and do work man to this day,
that's something that way, it's it's big for me.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
And if you're just looking from like the Rock and
Roll Lasting era forward, it was just Warrior Sean, Diesel
Davy that were double champs, I think, and yeah, like
now there's been a lot more, but like at that point,
like that's a crazy list of be on like that.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
It was not it was not a normal thing to
be a double champ. It was hard to be a
single champ. Letlone be a double champ. So to have
that place in history, you know, it's long after I'm gone,
people are gonna look go, oh first you're kind of
a champ. Delo Brown. That's the coolest part.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, the head, how did that start? I know you've
told the story millions of time before my head, Bob,
they can get become a thing.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
It's it came from a very culture significant movie Friday. Yeah,
and if if you know the part where Debo comes
riding up on the bike and Red Bone goes, man,
my mama said I need my bike back, and he goes,
oh yeah, and then he uppercuts him right boom yeah,
and then Chris goes, you just got knocked up, mother

(46:26):
out smoky.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yes. So it was me sitting there watching that one
day with Rocky and then the next time on the raw, uh,
Rocky's wrestling Ken Shamrock, and I know Ken Ken Shamrock
has clothes on over the top, and I could hear Jr.
Doing the commentary, and once again it goes back to
Ron Simmons going, if you could steal a moment, make

(46:49):
it yours. I know the camera's going to be on
Ken because we go to commercial break and I get
over top of him and I'd just go, you just
got luck up. And that was the first time I
did the headshake, was over Ken jam Rock going to
commercial break, and you know, that was the day that
Vince noticed it and told me to keep doing it.
And and from there I I turned up the volume

(47:10):
on it. I that that's where the strut came from,
and walk into the music and then it went just
it went from a subtle thing to I looked like
I was the first embodiment of a human bobblehead.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah. On the headshake was great. And I even though
I feel like I've heard the story forgot. It was
from Friday, and I love Friday. Friday after night, that's Friday.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I could watch Friday's wanted I could watch. I could
put it in right now and watch Friday right now.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
No, And I've had those Fridays, so I understand going
up that's what was relatable to an EXTENSI. I was like, Oh,
I've had those Fridays, which is weird now in the
world of social media on phones and whatnot, but sitting
in your front lawn with the buddy, trying to figure
out what to do with the day, trying to figure
out what to do today. Yes, should we go to
the convenience store and get some candy? Should we just

(47:57):
I don't know, Should we go see what what's her
name's doing? Like those are? That was real life back then.
It was the Chess Protector gimmick. How did that get going?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
That was a gym Ross idea, and it was an
idea that I was not on board with at first.
I actually hated the idea. Jr. Was in catering one
day and he sees walk by and he calls me
over and he goes, Deal, you're really talented wrestling. You're
really good, but what sets you apart from every other
talent at wrestler on the roster. And I was like,

(48:29):
I had no answer. I was like, I don't know,
and he goes, what if we gave you something you're
finished the frog slash? What if we injure your chess
and then give you this unfair advantage of a chess protector?
And my first thought was okay, yeah, hopefully he forgets
about the stupid ass idea because this is dumb. And

(48:50):
a couple of days later, he goes, you think anything
more about this? And I go, let me go home
and let me think about it. So I remember flying
home and my uh my fiance at time. I'm telling
her it, I'm mad. I'm I can't believe they're gonna
make fun of me. They're gonna call me Johnny Bench.
I'm gonna be a catcher. And she said calmly. She goes,

(49:14):
if you try the idea and it's bad, it fails
because it was a bad idea. If you don't try it,
it fails because you didn't try. And I looked at
her and go, damn, what do you gotta be right?
Why do you got to be right? So that I
went back at TV and I just go, j R.
Let's let's let's do the thing. So they got you know,

(49:37):
uh costume building it and uh. The first day it
was debut was in Pittsburgh and I ran through the crowd.
I climbed up and I helped Rocky win a match
with a frog Flash with a chest protector on. And
I remember climbing up the top rope and I heard
a different kind of murmur in the crowd, like like
a hunh what? And when I hit the Frogs Flash,

(49:58):
the reaction the crowd did was different than when I
normally hit the frog Special. It was more of a
and as I hit and I roll out, I go, oh, shoot,
we got something here. YEA thing's gonna work. And I
was like, damn it, this is gonna work, damn it.
And I remember running back. You were going, you're not hurt,

(50:20):
get off of you, and I was like, we got
something here. And that's when it took off. And from
being the thing that I didn't want to do with
my least favorite idea, it's the thing that, next to
the headshake, is something that I'm most associated with in wrestling,
and it was it was never considered a joke. It
was considered revolutionary and why didn't I think of using

(50:42):
that gimmick like that before? So I give I give
j R. All the credit in the world for coming
up with it, and I thank him because it made
me relevant, It put put uh put a spotlight on
me for the first time.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
It's it's crazy because if you go back to the
beginning of the conversation, and you'll love for being a
chicken ship heel. What a perfect combination to give you
this chess protector, right.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
And that's yes, it's I shouldn't have it. It's an
unfair advantage. My finish should be illegal because I've got
this weapon on.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Just specifically doing this finish because you know you got
it on.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yes, And that's what a chicken shit heel does. He
takes advantage of a bad situation.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, I have to ask you because now as I'm
talking to him, remembering things he talked about the headshake
and you brought up your theme song. Did you enjoy
the theme like? It's a real deal that like, did
you like the theme song when you first heard it
it was something that grew on you? Did you just
never like it?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I liked it from Jump Street as was being put
together by Jim Johnson. He is he's a musical genius.
So it started out with he goes, We're gonna get
you some That original song was originally for me and
Mark Henry's Tag Team, the original version with a tag
team version, and so he's asking us to bring in

(51:53):
some songs that we like, you know, the riff of
or the beats too. So we brought it a couple
of songs and he goes all right, and then he's
looking and Jim Johnson has this amazing ability and if
you go back and look at it, the songs literally
matched the attitude of each wrestler that it represented, like

(52:14):
to a team. And he had the ability of looking
at you, look at you walk through the ring, and
he goes, he goes, hold on a second. He walks away,
and he comes back and he's got a couple of things,
and he goes, what do you think about this? And
it was the first baseline of them, and I was like,
and he goes, all right, we'll start out with this,
and there was the record scratch and I'm like, oh,

(52:34):
this is getting good. So he goes, I'll come back
in about a week and a week later, he had
gone down to a music house in New York City.
He had he had got the artist to do background noise,
to do the background tracks. He had got me to
drop a couple of things, like the laughing there his mine.
There's a couple of things in there in their mind.
And then I got presented with the finish and he goes,

(52:56):
what do you think of this? And I was like,
that's not my music. That's too good.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, all the songs he did for everyone in the
Nation during that period, it was really cool. Like it
just smit that time in that vibe. Yes, like people
young fans not know, like the Rocks music is still
based off of what that original Nation.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
It's the original one that that bassline and guitar rip,
that's the original rock music.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
But yeah, yes, because you can hear the underline of
the Nation music in there. And then so Jim Johnson
is if he don't get enough flowers, I will go
to a florists and drop the entire shop on him
because he deserves. He's a musical genius and music has
not been the same since he walked away.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Absolutely not. I I didn't realize that. But I have
so much to talk to you about. But we'll try
to get through this really quickly. Let's talk a little
bit of the the not so great eras, like some
things that you know, obviously I have to ask you about.
I'm I'm Punjabi. I'm saying I'm the same thing Tiger. Yes,
tell me about Lowdown. I know it wasn't your fare
team with Chaz formerly known as Marsha's and I had baners.

(54:08):
They meet, you guys wear turbans. You guys both went
seekhs or Indians. I know, Like, what was that about?
How was that pitched to you? Like? It was a
weird time.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
It was a very weird time. And and Chaz and
I loved teaming with Chaz. Let's put that out there,
the original incarnation of Lowdown where we wore the track
pants and we're topless. I loved h At some point,
Vince decided he was paying Tiger and his dad a
lot of money to sit around and do nothing. Yeah,

(54:40):
and he wanted to really capitalize on the Indian market.
So he's like, let's bring him back. Who should we
put him with? Well, let's put him with this new
tag team and let him manage them, and I was
okay with that. It just started getting a little wonky
when they wanted me to play Seek and be something

(55:01):
I wasn't, which I have no I have. I have
all the respect in the world for being Seek, and
just it wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, ask someone that does seek like it's like it's
it's uh. We never had the right representation back in
those days.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yes, it felt like we were we were versions of
a Laddin instead of being serious, and it was more
like they were making fun of being Seek as opposed
to putting a spotlight on it and and magnifying it
and empowering it. And when you've got you know, basically,
Chads and I were too sympathizers to the Sikh culture,

(55:37):
so we're two imposters being seek. It just didn't work
and and it became more of a joke. And I
think it could have been done like I would have Really,
it would have been better if there were two sek
wrestlers in that spot where you could magnify what Seek was, yeah,
instead of trying to just fit to God two round

(55:57):
pegs in a square hole.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
M and it tuck true because I think Tiger allis
Sig never just reached the potential he could. So two
vices two Vince's credit. He's like, what we gotta do
something with this guy? I'm paying him.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I mean, yours thing is you had half a billion
people in India or seek and if Tiger Ali Sing
would have gotten over what a market you could have
really taken and gone to and really gotten a lot
out of it. But instead it just fell flat on
his face and probably turned a lot of Seks away
from watching us because we were making fun of them.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I'll say this, like Jinder, they did good with with
the Bollywood boys and whatnot. But tell this point, I
don't think we haven't broken away of like still having
to be the foreign heel. We have to be the
bad guys. You're supposed to hate us because we're not
from here, Like I think we need to get and
there's a lot more Indian and Punjabi rassas now than
there ever has been before. Like I think it's time

(56:51):
that we start just like letting them be people with
the regular characters like this is the guy that goes
that club and picks up the girls.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
This is you know. I have always had this idea
for a seek character. Yeah, okay, and instead of being
the turbine wearing stereotypical trope, and as someone who's who's
gone to clubs and worked in clubs, be that billionaire
who's so obnoxiously rich. Yeah, that that walks you a

(57:21):
club and he buys the whole VT area and doesn't
sit in it because he didn't want anybody to sit there.
He just wants to know he can have it. No
one else could be there.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Like that sounds that sounds very sek of a rich
sea for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Dude, Like, I don't know, you could go either way.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
You could have said the billionaire, you could have said
the scummy promoter either.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Or But I mean I would rather. I would rather
the seek culture. If you're gonna be a he'll get
heat for that, then get heat for being seek.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, because I've always heard and obviously I've talked to
people like I you know, I've heard the story where
someone told someone will like, if you're not wearing the turbine,
how they're gonna know what you are? And it's like,
it's twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Everybody something like that's like saying, if you're not carrying
a basketball, how people are going to know you're black.
Yeah it makes zero sense.

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(01:00:01):
front because I really really quickly want to talk to
you about TNA and A all Japan and stuff. Draws
Off Draws, the incidnet injuries happened, freak acts that I
mean seth rawllans As when this releases just had to
be stripped of the World's title because he did a
dive on Cody and heard his shoulder. Things happened all
the time. How was your relationship with Draws after? And

(01:00:23):
did that mess with you for a bit after that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Take the second part of that first, Yeah, it messed
my head up. Its fundamentally changed who I was as
a wrestler in the ring. I not that I was
ever reckless, but I became a lot more protective and cautious.
The worst thing when you're getting a wrestling is you

(01:00:47):
know you're taking someone else's life literally in your hands,
and you want to put them back in the same
place you found them in the same condition. Uh, And
you never want to be part of someone getting hurt.
Now we we know this industry is not ballet and
people get hurt. You just never wanted to be on
your watch. And as far as drosgo and I go

(01:01:09):
to the day he passed, he and I talked weekly.
We had conversations. We talked about everything but the injury.
We talked about the injury in the accident one time,
and that was twenty five years ago, and other than that,
we were just boys who chat and talked. I'm still
close with family now for this day, and you know,

(01:01:32):
he's part of me. He's part of my career. My
career is only as good as as it rides with him,
and hopefully my career is his career because I had
the rest for two of us after that. So literally
till the day he passed, he and I were good
friends and there was never any hard feelings are anything

(01:01:55):
between the two of us other than just we're friends.
And we both came from a sports background, so we
both came from football where it was anything could happen
in any moment. It's part of the risk of play
in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
And I think that makes a difference too, because that's
that's the risk with sports as well, right, it is
someone you can take it land on a tackle the
wrong way, you get body checked the wrong way, like
anything happened, right, So it's like and honestly, like I
I remember him too, as like after it happened, he
did articles for the website like dot com and I
remember those all the time, and always in good spirits,

(01:02:26):
always in good opinions, like I don't think you know,
I don't know. He just seemed like a he's I
don't know him, never met him. He seemed like a
great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You you read him right, because he was a good
dude who was who was always full of hope. He
knew he was gonna walk up until the day he passed,
he was gonna walk again. Yeah, like in his and
he told himself that and and he was, I mean,
just a good all around dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Yeah. The rest of us to him though, And it's
so that's the thing that happens. I think that people like,
it's a risk, and that's the thing that like, as
fans now you should understand, like that's the risk wrestlers
are taking every single time they step in the ring.
Is like you're working together, you have to trust each other.
And like when you're on the internet sometimes and you're
seeing people being like giving star ratings or saying this

(01:03:18):
match sucks, so that match sucks and this person doesn't
know how to wrestle. Like you know, some botcheres are
sometimes one of the other persons trying to save each
other from the botch actually being worse. Like half some
consideration is what I'm saying, is my PSA right now,
is some consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I'm tapping along with you because you never know what
two guys or two girls are going to win the
ring to you walk into it in their boots, and
unfortunately most fans will never experience that. And you're right,
sometimes a botches is bad, but it gave about a
thousand and dollars worse if that other wrestler wasn't there
to let's say, fall the wrong way, but protect the

(01:03:56):
other person.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, like pick them up and tumble. Yeah you know
what I mean, And you never know, and then you
never know. On a lighter note, I used to joke around.
I'm like, you know, you hear all these stories back
in the day of you know, rock and roll, drugs
and alcohol and strip club stories. I'm like, how do
we know how these wrestlers were like hungover in their ring.
I've been hungover now, I know the vibe, but it's

(01:04:17):
not it was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I will tell you it was. It was. It was
a different culture back then. Man, You're right, who knows
what condition anybody was in when they got into a ring.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I was doing sixty minutes after a night out. Somebody
explained this to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I do I've heard his schedule. This brother would wrestle
sixty minutes, party till five am, six am, hop on
a plane, land, go to the gym, get to the building,
do it all over again. I don't know how we
did it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
That's insane. Yeah, and I've I've see I've been in
places around him and with him partying in recent years,
and he still goes hard. So I don't get it.
The man is a machine U twenty twenty six. Yeah,
as now said it's going to be his last year wrestling. Yes,
he's he's ready to retire. We just had the John

(01:05:08):
Cena retirementary. It seems like a lot of the people
that came in in two thousand and two thousand and
two of that era are starting to line down. Now,
you got to work with AJ really early on two
thousand and three, DNA, you got a team with them
and stuff. Tell me about AJ, your experience with AG
and just like what you think about him as a
talented star.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
And I remember the first time I got to be
in the ring with AJ. First of all, sitting in
the locker room and talking to him. To be so young,
but to have an idea, really have a really good
idea of what this business is about was impressive. And
then I got in the ring with him, and I
knew this kid was You could just you could feel it,
you could see it. You just knew this kid, given

(01:05:49):
the opportunity, was going to be generational. And to watch
him grow to be there in the early beginning, to
give some of the advice that I had gotten, to
pass it down to him, and then to watch him
grow awesome. I'm looking forward to the day when his

(01:06:10):
last matches so I can call him and congratulate him
on a great career and and tell him that I
saw it from the beginning, and I'm so happy that
his career was better than what I even envisioned for him.
And and I want to congratulate him on on on,
just a marvelous, amazing career. On everywhere he went, he

(01:06:32):
was the top dude and that doesn't happen too often.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
And wrestling, Yeah, and I'm it's gonna be an interesting
you like to see nothing. Who how is he gonna
play out? Who's going to be his last opponent? And honestly,
aj to me, I'm like, I don't. I don't think
i've ever Sometimes you take it for granted because he's
so good that you get a kind of immune to it.
And they're like he's so almost like spotless in the ring,

(01:06:55):
like does not like a flaw that I get what
he says now where he's like, if I can't keep
up the way I used to, I don't want to
keep doing it. I want the to re memory for
what I was. Like, there's even already certain moves he
doesn't do anymore because he doesn't feel like he talked
to Chris van Vliet and talked about not doing this
final spiral top anymore because he just feel like you
can and it's like I get that. So it's like
I don't know, but to live in an era of

(01:07:16):
ages like he's really he really did change the game
turning and you see a lot of people doing stuff
that AJ Styles does.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Now he was he was a trailblazer and a trendsetter,
and you're right, like before him, a lot of things
he did wasn't seeing and now it's now it's taught
in wrestling schools. So so he he's there's a there's
a bookmark in the history of wrestling and it's labeled
AJ Styles and he's got a whole chapter to himself

(01:07:45):
about changing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
The business one hundred percent. You grew up a wrestling fan,
so there's always the lore of wrestling in Japan. So
eventually he went and wrestled with all Japan Pro wrestling.
If you aren't active wrestling man, at some point obviously
you were a Muda fan. But at some point you'll
learn about Baba and Anoki and all these names and
Chono and you're like, okay, what like Japan, there's something

(01:08:06):
going on over there, especially before the Internet, there was
something going on over there. How was it for you
going to go to work in Japan? Was that something
you really wanted to do? And how was that? And
you did the two different stints, but how was it
all Japan for you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
It was something that I always wanted to do because
I was the tape trader back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Okay, there you go, So I knew about Japan. You
were in the law, Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I was. I was the point zero zero zero one
percent of wrestling fans who knew what was going on
in Japan. And it was a place I always wanted
to go. And it's almost like I would trade every
bit of my ww FE career if I could have
gone to Japan first and learn in the dojo, Like

(01:08:49):
I have such high standards for what Japan is, for
the level of work over there, the class of people
that are there in terms of talent. Just I'd say
this a lot. I consider myself lucky but man to
have been in the ring with Missawa, Kobashi, Kowada, Muda, Kojima,

(01:09:14):
uh tends on to be in the ring with these dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, Like these.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Are the dudes and I've shared the ring with them, bruh.
I put my Japanese run up against anything I've ever done,
and I look on that, look back on it very
fondly because I'm again I consider myself luckier to live
that life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
If we ever run this back and we do like
a quick thirty minute thing. We're just going to talk
about your Japan run, because you just drop games right
now that I don't even know that you. I'm like, oh,
Masala Kobashi, like wait you and you told me really
either with mood, I'm like, Okay, I clearly didn't do
enough research on this Japan run. But I feel like
there's a lot, a lot of meat on that bone
that I'm intrigued by right now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I consider myself the forest gump of wrestling, Like if
you see a great moment wrestling, there's me standing in
the background somewhere. I'm right there. So I would I
would love it to run it back and we could
talk nothing but yet with Japan.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah, thirty minutes on that run. It's time like we
did to go watch the original interview. Guys, we're just
gonna spend thirty minutes talking about Japan here because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Yes, here, here's an amendment to our interview. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
We'll do that. We'll do that one because I have
so many questions, but we're running a lot over time.
Here w two thousand and you had to sit and
you went back. You did a bunch of dark matches.
Nothing really came out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
What happened, It was coming back and we were gonna
do a couple of things together. Just we didn't mesh
the company. I didn't mesh in terms of where the
company was going and what I was. I was very
old school compared to where they were going at that point,
and it just didn't work out right. It was just

(01:10:49):
like it's like it was like having a girlfriend breaking
up with her and then going back to data five
years later and hoping that the magic re kindles. But
you go, I know the reason why I broke up
with you in the first place. This was going back
in two thousand and eight. We both realized the reads
why we broke up, and it just didn't work out.

(01:11:10):
And no ill will or hard feelings, just the timing
wasn't right anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Were they trying to fit like nineteen ninety eight Di
Loo in two thousand and eight, Is that what the
plan was?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Yes, it was more. And then I was also moving
to the point where I wanted to become more of
a mentor and be backstage, and it just it didn't work.
And my my shit was had run its course by then. Yeah,
and you can't just drop it back in six years
later and go here we go. It just it just

(01:11:43):
didn't click.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
They tried doing that a few times, and it was
during that era where they brought back tried to bring
back lod with Heide and Reich or they brought back
to Tonka and it just was like we There was
a little bit of nostalgia at the beginning, but at
some point people are like, okay, like how do they
fit into this new and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
That's yeah, you're you're trying to fit in an old
soul into a new realm. And it didn't work out well.
It just it didn't. It wasn't a smooth transition, and
it was better just to move apart than to struggle
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
What do you enjoy most about producing and being backstage
and help and talent more so than being the wrestler
now it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Is it's like being a dad and teaching your kid
how to ride a bike for the first time. Like
the joy I get from giving an idea, giving suggestion
to talent and watching them go out there and do it,
listening to the crowd to react and when they come back,
you can see the smile on their face, like that worked.

(01:12:40):
That's what makes it worthwhile that that learning moment right
there to open their eyes to the possibility of of
of deeper level of thought. A wrestling that's what I
live for, and it's almost like I can live vicariously
through them and have just it's almost as fun as
being out there myself doing it. But now I'm helping
someone else's success. Yeah, I'm building somebody else, and that

(01:13:05):
that's priceless. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I've always thought to myself, even with my own stuff,
I'm like, when I created this as by accident ex girlfriend, No,
I'm an eventually I made a wrestling page, build the community.
I'm like, I think I kept wanting these things to myself,
but I feel like more of my purpose was being
able to help everybody else and let people share their
stories or stare people in the right direction. So that
being said, is there something you've done in this producer

(01:13:29):
agent role that you're really proud of that you kind
of be like, I can take that with me, and
I know I helped this specific person of this specific
thing work.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And I'm never the one. I won't say names or
matches because I don't think producers should get credit for
the work of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, do not take any credit, but like, is there
something where like you're proud of something you're proud of
that worked out. That was like no, it It wasn't
like people were saying that's not going to work or
this isn't gonna happen, but it did.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Of the matches I've produced in TNA, we're better than
I ever could imagine. The Josh Alexander t j P
sixty man Ironman match amazingly part of that. And then
you get to produce it and then go out there
and call it being around you know beer money or

(01:14:22):
young aj styles or you know, being part of a
senates and helping that group grow. Like, man, it it's
so fun to be behind the scenes and get to
see it play out. And then the vision is less
than what actually played out in the ring, Like that's

(01:14:43):
a greater than what you even saw on your heads. Yes,
those are the things I'm most proud of. Is is
giving an idea and watching a talent go out there
and just hit a home run, kick the game, kick
the super you know field goal, you know, up scoring
the freaking hat trick in the Stanley Cup game seven,

(01:15:05):
Like that's what they do, and they knock it out
of the park and and and to watch them come
back and be so proud of themselves, happy with themselves,
and and talking about how the crowd reacted that it's
a full circle moment. Now I get to play Ron
Simmons now, yeah, and I get to I get to

(01:15:26):
I get to give it to the next generation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Was it hard for them to pull you out of
your agent producer role and get you in this ace
is an eat storyline?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Well, okay, so I was there supposed to be part
of Asonates. Yeah, I was in the beginning where when
we wore masks, I was to go out there and
help them learn how to do beatdowns so they wouldn't
step on each other just so, and it wasn't all muddled.
The problem is I've got this very distinctive head shape,
and everyone knew this peanut was me, and so I

(01:15:56):
got called out a few times and I'm out there
in that and you know, under the and then as
it just flowed, Eric Bischoff just came up to the
idea that it would be a great twist if it
actually was me under the hood. And that's when I
got pushed out there into the spotlight. But it wasn't
that hard to get me to do it because I
love producing it. And then there's still me that I'm

(01:16:18):
the entertainer. I want to be out there on the camera.
So there's no better way to show you can teach
it than to show the people you can still do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Yeah, and you got to have a couple of good
matches with the current angle and other people. One last
run in there that like maybe you wasn't expected or
you were thinking was gonna happen, So you have a
moment from that ass neat run or like a match
that you're you really enjoyed it was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
We had done a show in Hoffman Estates in Chicago, Illinois,
and uh, I remember a senate's walking out our music
and we're heels yeah, and the crowd just going crazy
for us, and I'm like, we're not heels anymore. Boys
like they love us and just walking out in Chicago
and just thinking, Okay, this thing has got legs. There's

(01:17:04):
that you could just feel the vibe and to know
we were connecting was was pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, No, it was a time and also like it
was perfect timing, like peak off of Sons of Anarchy
and you guys. Yeah, it was a good time. It
was a good time. A lot of four questions that
wrap us up today. I creep your instagram a little bit.
I saw it. I've I've helped promote and do some
interviews to promote the shows. What's your relationship with Maple

(01:17:31):
Leaf Pro Wrestling? What are we doing now? Is that?
Is that mainly what who you're working with at the moment, mainly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
On a national level. It's mainly what I do. Maple
Leaf is is you know, the scottdor Moore promotion is
you know, based in Canada, near and dear to you,
And without giving way too much of of of what's
going on, just look forward to Maple Leaf Wrestling becoming
a bigger and a bigger part of the wrestling landscape
in twenty six. I'm excited to be part of it.

(01:18:03):
I love the magical putting on, I love the talent
we get to work with, and to be a Canadian
based wrestling company is going to be huge for wrestling.
I'll just put it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
I need to reconnect with Scott in the next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Few get get, get ready to get because this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Is don't be something and and to rewind for a second,
because I did bring up how there's a lot of
great Indian and Punjabi wrestleds in this current time. A
lot of them were featured on Maple Leaf in the
past shows, and that's where you can tell there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Lot of talent now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
And just overall, like I feel like it's a lot
like you know when back probably back in like you're doing.
Even if I tried it back in my day, a
little bit like you could say you want to be
arrested about how to become ar wrestle, it was hard
to find out. Where I think now it's it's a
little bit easier, so there's more people wanted to be restless,
So it's it's a competitive field now, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
And and luckily now like for example, my belief is
not is not casting Indian wrestlers in in tropes or stereotypes. Yeah,
you're a wrestler who can go out there and if
you can outrest somebody, that's that's your stereotype because you're
a good wrestler. Yeah, So I I enjoy that that
we we don't worry about them being a character or

(01:19:21):
a caricature. Just go wrestle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
No exactly, Uh, favor if if you look at I'm
gonna phrase it like this, if there was one match
you could show your younger self from your career that
you had, what match would you show them?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Wow, that's a good one. It would let's say Summer
Slam ninety eight me and Balvenus Men Square Garden. Yeah,
is one or any match I had with Xbox pick one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I just want to do that. The xpot few is
what I remember a lot of. And then like I
specifically had that Highway to Hell SummerSlam VHS tape, So
I'm like, I remember that fondly, uh Rock and Triple
H as well in the ladder and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
So Undertaker Steve Austin at the end of main event.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Popping out of dumpster and take ripping the get out
of Here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Edge appearing in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, uh uh. But I had my
last question. But before I asked us, as we've talked
about so much, what do you think I asked you
about the nation? But what do you think the legacy
of Dlo Brown is?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
How do you want fans to remember you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Man? I just hope they they remember a guy who
went out there and worked his ass off and tried
to give them one hundred percent. No matter what was
going on in my life or if I was sick
or hurt, I just wanted to go out there and
entertain him and and produce for them and give them
any kind of enjoyment. And luckily enough, I heard every

(01:20:49):
time I'm going through an airport or hell, even in
Supermark when I get shake their head. Uh. I feel
fortunate enough to have had a career where people remember
me years later. And that's that's a huge accompliment. Accomplishment
in the world of wrestling. When people can be forgotten
so quickly and easily that thirty years later, I'm sitting

(01:21:12):
here talking to you about my career. That's pretty damn cool.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
And I'm we said earlier like I definitely do think
the Nation should go in the Hall of Fame, but
I also think Pelo Brown should go in the Hall
of Fame. Like I this is an honor for me
to talk to you like it's cool, like the little
kid in music. This is it happens to me sometimes
and it'll always be like, well, I'm an interviewing like
you are, like an interviewed like Adam Baum or Alex right.
It's like, you know, you guys deserve just as much
love as Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Flair, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I work my ass off, and if one day I'm
never fortunate enough to be there, I will walk in
the hall with honor and take my place next to
the boys in the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Nation, I hope. So last question, I ask everybody this
and I wrap it up. It's easy to answer, It's
easy to just be like, yes, one hundred percent, But
let it marinate for a second. Think about that person.
If you would have talked to nine year old de
Loo Brown that discovered professional wrestling, do you feel like
you've made your youngest hel proud?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Oh, without a doubt. I exceeded every expectation I ever had.
I never thought I would wrestle outside of the county level.
And the fact that to be to wrestle in one
hundred different countries and have thousands of matches and then
to be influential on younger wrestler's career in a perfect dream,

(01:22:29):
I couldn't have drempted in this career. Yeah, I'm I'm
honored and blessed and lucky. I'm tearing up right now. Yeah,
if I could talk to young nine year old me,
I would just say Buckley's sheep, I and get ready
to go on the ride of a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I mean from Smoky Mountain to b to Japan to
TNA and then producing matches and helping other people that
are trying to make their own younger selves proud. Like
it's a hell of a journey. And one thing I'm
definitely gonna take away from this is that Ron Simmons
and stilled a lot of good values and a lot
of you, and I'm really I'm really glad I got

(01:23:08):
to do this, and hopefully we'll get to talk it
down the road. We'll do that Japan episode Japan Special.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Yes, Let's let's do it, Let's book it, Let's do
interview two point oh Japan only.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, because I gotta ask the Massawa and Kabashi and
this stuff. I like, I'm intrigued. I gotta I'm gonna
try to find some of your matches on social media
on and YouTube or something and watch some of them
come back and be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Like, all right about this, Let's let's do it again.
I'm liking forward to doing it. I'm doing look forward
to doing it again.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I appreciate you everyone. Check out Delo Brown's podcast on
podcast Heat the Low Down. Follow them on social media.
I believe it's Delo Brown lfc uh yep. So make
sure you guys follow him on Instagram and whatnot, and
that'll be said. Support all wrestling, watch their w a
w t N. Also keep your eye up for Maple
Leaf for wrestling and support that because some big things
are coming up and Dealo is involved with that. Thank

(01:23:56):
you again, I appreciate it. This was fun, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
The pleasure is all mine. Let's do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Thank you very much. Everyone, keep doing the thing with Seahull.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Later, it's time to say good night. We sincerely appreciate
your patronage and hope we've succeeded in bringing you an
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