Episode 205 - Max Castellanos is LEGIT! - TWC Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I walked out of there and he's like, bro, you
got your fucking jacket.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
So the debut do you go back to reality wrestling?
My first red leather jacket is fifty cents.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and girls, it's you board the
Wrestling Classic. Justin and I am here with Raine City
Toys Harvey for a special episode of the t TWC show.
Academy is the name of my own show, trying to
Maybe I'm a little nervous because of our guests, but
we're gonna try to get some more interviews on this show.
I want to put a spotlight of some of the
hottest stars on the independence. And there's someone that's been
showing up on my feed quite a bit. I've been

(00:38):
seeing him here and there wrestling some big names doing
some things that Reality of Wrestling. None other than Max
Castiano says it that properly.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Max, you almost had it correct.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
But here's the thing. You forgot a very important part.
You forgot to mention that I am the three times
Reality of Wrestling Texas Champion. So if you don't mind,
could you please redo it again?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
When redo the Eating Ladies, Dump of Boys, go see
a board of the wrest of Classic and I'm here
with rain City Toys arving. We've got a very special guest,
the three time Reality You're Wrestling Heavyweight Champion, Max Cassiano,
the heavyweight in Then I'm making a bigger deal because
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It is a big deal. And you see I got
this big ass stogire right here with me. Then I'm
about to smoke. But thank you very much for having me. Guys,
I'm looking forward to our conversation, so let's get to it.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I have a ton of questions asking, but I ask
everybody this. I want to start off with you just
to step away from Max the superstar that he is today,
When you were a kid who influenced you, who's arrestled
that you kind of was.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Like, I like that person.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I want to be like them that wanted to be
like them, but definitely influenced me since day one. And
I will always give credit what credit is due, and
that is Stone Coast to Loss.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I think, I honestly.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Believe growing up, I always like to study people's careers
and Stone Coachy Boston was never a second generation wrestler.
He never had that connect of saying, hey, come on around.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know you know this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You see the progress from when he started in eighty nine,
when he tore his tricip went to ECW, started cutting
those promos, and then you just see the difference as
far as the adversity.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
He went through life and.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Being told no then a thousand times, you know, been
told no a thousand times, and then eventually he turned
that no into a yes where preparation meets opportunity. And man,
I think he was a perfect storm. And when I
started watching in ninety seven, I was four at the time,
he was the guy that I gravitated to. There was

(02:50):
something about it. It seemed like a lot of people
has to be the charisma, had to be everything. But
it's like, man, I want to wrestle. I want to
do what he's doing. And yeah, I never stopped watching.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
What a great year to get into wrestling in nineteen
ninety seven. It's like a peak year on all the
on all fronts. Is one of my favorite years. Just
so the people get to know you a little bit better.
Because we were talking off the year of bit and
you're talking about how you know how to speak Italian,
you know how to speak Spanish, What is your ethnicity,
what is your background.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm twenty three percent Italian. I was born in Texas,
but I was raised in northern Mexico, so I have
a lot of different life experience. The way life is
in Mexico was very different than the United States.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
And uh Man.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I grew up a lot around a lot of you know,
lucha libre, but for some reason, I didn't gravitate towards
lucha libret. If you see my style in the ring,
my son is more American. I'm not a Luca door guy,
you know, six for two, two hundred and thirty five,
two hundred and forty pounds, not a light guy just
jumping off the top rope.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'll catch the guys and slam it and put them
through a table. But I you know, my dad would
take me to triple A shows and it's like, I
don't want to be wearing a mask.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I want people to see my face. You know, I'm
a good looking guy. I was always a good looking kids.
I said one day, one day, when the time is right,
I'm gonna do. But I know I always could do.
And by the grace of God, he gave me talent,
he gave me charisma, and he gave me patience to
slowly find myself over the years and.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Now year nine.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Not a big guy in numerology, but if you look
at numerology, the number nine equals completion. Max Coustianos is completing.
Max Castillano's is ready for the next level. It's just
a matter of time.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
You got on an RV.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Oh, I'm just meserized by this guy right.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Now, right, Yeah, they're there.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know, we know you're.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Into acting as well.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
You see some big roles there too.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
And when I look at this guy, I'm already thinking
why this guy is an nww.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes, that was already.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Oh go ahead, go ahead, No, no, no, go for go
for go for it.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, because I was you know, you talked earlier on
about like you're not a second generation superstar. You know
you're working not from the grind stone cold style and whatnot,
But you wrestled second generation superstars. You wrestled Carlito. You
see all these Nepple babies getting signed to the big leagues.
Does that bother you at all?

Speaker 4 (05:24):
A little bit? No?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, that was yes?

Speaker 6 (05:29):
How was it work?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
How was it working with Carlito?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Carli's a tremendous guy in and out of the ring,
and at the time, this was in twenty.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Twenty one, I was doing this chair gimmick.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
So I started this chair gimmick around twenty eighteen where
I would put my logo in the chair and I
would go around and I was signing the chair at
the end of the shows and I was selling them.
So I remember Carlito I walked in with one of
my chairs, and then at the time I also had
four different colored chairs selling on my merchandise table. He
asked me, He's like, uh you sollos. I was like, yeah,

(06:04):
He's like how much I like a hundred apiece? Is
how many heavy souls today?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
On like about six of them?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
You're hustler, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's just kind of broke the eyes and we're like,
hey man, you know what's going on?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
And cool cool.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
By the time we know we went out there, we
had a great match, we were able to do the
apple gimmick, but it was a tremendous experience. I have
nothing against second generation wrestlers.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
That's completely fine.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
The thing is is everybody has a different journey to
the final destination.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Everybody was given talents.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Everybody was giving a gift to do something in this life,
because at the end of the day, everything you know
and everyone you know will perish.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
One day, will disappear.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Your pets, your loved ones, your friends, girlfriend, boyfriend, everything
is going to disappear.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Same thing, your talents, your windows of opportunity. You have
your youth cool, you're your.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Twenties, You're strong, you can stay up, lade, you can
take the bumps. You're your thirties. Man, it starts catching
up depending the way you live your life. Then you
get in your forties. That's when some people start waking up.
Here's the thing for me. When I broke into the business,
I broke in at the right place, wrong time, meaning
my first ring was a WW ring. I was a

(07:31):
powerlifting guy. I was twenty one years old. I was
at the Arnold Classic and I bumped into the right
person at the wrong time, and I asked him, sir,
how do all of this works. He's like, you speak Spanish.
I'm like, yes, sir. He's like, how tall are you?
Six foot two? How much are you weigh? At the time,
I was two hundred and sixty pounds. Here, here's a card.
I look at the card. It says director of Talent

(07:52):
Relations for WWE send me an email with everything you
just told me.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Send me a couple of pictures.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Next thing I know, three weeks later, I'm in Orlando,
Florida the WW Performance Center in twenty fifteen. September sixteenth,
when I turned twenty two years old, was a WW triot.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I had never tookn a bump. I had never done
a row. I have never ran the ropes. And I
remember I was number eight because everybody had a number.
I was number eight.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I go up and I said, man, this is
why the greats have been like, I'm in a WW ring.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
My first ring is a WW ring.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And they said, all right, guys, we're going to do
quartera rows, front rows, back rolls, back bones, front bumps.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
What the fuck is like they're talking.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm sorry, I don't know if I can cause, but
it's like one language or what language are we speaking here?
I go through all the days, three days of it
was eight to ten hours of training. They put me
to the side. They're like, you have a good look,
have good size. Un Fortunately you don't have the skills.
We can't offer you anything, because that's completely fine. Thank

(08:56):
you very much for having me. What can I do next?
He's like, go back wherever you're from, Texas, relocate either
San Antonio, Dallas, or Houston. Find a reputable school and
make a name for yourself, and if you're ever good enough,
you'll find a way insight here. I went back home,
quit my job, moved to San Antonio, Texas at the time,

(09:18):
started wrestling school, graduated within three months, started making the rounds,
wrestling in front of three people in Laredo, Texas, driving
all the way to Mississippi to wrestle in front of
two hundred people that hated my guts. Drive to the Louisiana,
drive to Arkansas, Los Angeles, New York City, back down
to Texas.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Hey, sending the emails, Hey, look at this. Not good enough,
not good enough, keep trying. Good luck.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Fast forward June of twenty eighteen. I get a call, Hey,
we need an extra guy for NXT cool fly my
ass over ride ANNEXC. You have a match against ConA
Reefs tonight, pull me in. Michael Hayes is a kid.
How long you've been working so two years?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, this is this can you get it done, Yes, sir,
go out there, hit everything on que very Good job Kid,
Michael Cole, Good job Kid, triple H Good job Kid.
Next the following week, I get at WW try it again.
Now I'm ready. I do the three days. Cut two promos,
one in English, one in Spanish, and I asked, can

(10:24):
I cut one mix? And they're like, no, we're fine
with two cool always going the extra mile, and they
pull me to the side. Hey, you're gonna be one
of the guys that we're going to bring in. Go
talk to your family, and I said.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I made it.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
One week later, I get an email that says that
offer no longer stance.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
So I started in front of the line, right place,
wrong time because of lack of preparation, because I didn't know,
but I was willing to ask, Hey, how does all
this work? An opportunity was given to me, meaning I
was able to taste a little bit of success. And
then they say no, go to the back of the
line and if you really want this, you're gonna make
the line and you're gonna wait for your turn. Fast

(11:11):
forward nine years later, adversity, death, everything that has happened
in my personal life developed the person I am today.
People say, oh, Max, you know that's a great character
and a character that's really who I am.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Cigars, I smoke them, women, I love them.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Championships I've won when I used to powerlift, bodybuild, whiskey.
It's an every other day thing. I mean really, sunglasses, glasses,
leather jackets. I like to dress nice. I like fast cars.
I like to take things away from people. I like
to feed my own ego because everybody has a fucking ego.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Everybody wants to be seen and not.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Why do girls wear makeup to go to the gym
and look out all up because they want to be seen.
Why do guys work to and or love to go
to the because they want to be seen.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Everybody has an ego, but very few people will admit
they have an ego. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I do have an ego, and I got to feed
it constantly, every single day, every single time I set
foot in the ring.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Every time I can tell you in your face that
I have the Texas Championship Belt, I will tell you
because my story will be told one day and I
can never say, hey, I got a handout.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Hey because my cousin, my friend over here. No no, No,
I earned everything.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And when I told I got told no a thousand times.
I turned that no into a yes, that answer your question.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
That was answered more than one question, that answered a
lot of questions. I think people will leave this knowing
more about you, but I'd also put out a table
for me.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
To have all these other questions. Hey, you kid board the.

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Speaker 8 (13:54):
Obviously, you went through adversity and you've you've gone through
a lot. What was there anything you did in particular
to have manage your emotions and you know, manage your
energies and everything you went through. Was there something that
you kind of lean towards or did so I guess
you kind of stayed on that path of what you
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So here's the thing is, you're when you're born, you're
born with the innocence of you know, we don't know
anything in this world. When you were a kid, and
kids have these career days, that's when you ask them
and they're at their purest state. What do you want
to be when you grew up? Man, I want to
be an actor. I want to be the president of

(14:34):
the United States. I want to be arrested. I want
to be a basketball player. A few years go by,
then society status quo. Everything's like, no, no, no, you gotta
go to college, you gotta go get into debt, you
gotta have kids by this age. You gotta get married
by this age. No no, no, leave that for everybody else.

(14:55):
You start accepting mediocricy, you start accepting your ad to
and that's live. You start looking like I can't wait
to retire and be sixty five drinking a pina colada
in South Beach when you can do it at thirty
one years.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Old and driving a lambo.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I mean, if you think about it, being sixty five,
all wrinkly and you're not strong anymore, drinking a pina
colado you're thirty one years old, being a South Beach
I mean, pick one.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, the choice is yours.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Same thing like Scarface used to say the world is yours,
pick and choose. Everything has a consequence when we're fighting
these demons on our head of saying.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
You can't do it, is it going to happen?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I don't stay up at night sometimes from nightmares that
I have is of am I doing enough to get
where I want to get? Because that window is getting
shorter every single time, different windows, different times. Wrestling career
the windows a lot shorter than let's say retirement, I
mean retiring, we can go all the way to sixty five, seventy.

(15:58):
But wrestling career, if you're not injured, if this doesn't happen,
if you don't get in a car crash about so
many things can go wrong for you to make it.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
So how do you protect that energy? I don't know.
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Do you go to the gym, Do you hit the bar,
do you smoke most cigars? Do you find more women to.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Maybe a little bit of everything, or maybe you stand
in front of the mirror and you made a promise
to yourself that one day you were going to be
at the biggest work for the biggest company of the world.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And God gave you these talents and gave you the.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Height and gave you the weight, and gave you the
work ethic, and gave you the talent, charisma, the timing,
the timing, because this business is about timing.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
John Cina himself sent in his documentary that he was
going to be let go and then he was wrapping
and happened.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Stephanie McMahon passes by and listens.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Imagine if Stephanie McMahon would have never made that tour,
or Stephanie McMahon would have gotten off earlier, or where
Woul Johnson be What would be one of the greatest
of all time?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Bing?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
What if Stonecas Steve v Aston never tore his tricip
What if he never got fired from WCW.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Would they be a WWE right now?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
What if The Rock would have made it to the NFL,
Would they be a Duyne Johnson actor right now?

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Or would it just be a Hall of Famer Duine
Johnson in the NFL. You don't know that. It's the timing.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's the when the shit goes wrong in your life,
you're like, why is this happening? Maybe that's supposed to
happen because your future self is going to look back
at like. If that didn't happen, I wouldn't become the
person I am. So every single bad thing that has
happened to me, every single thing, is leading me into
the place I need to be. I choose to look

(17:59):
at life like that because I have a higher chance
of winning if I sit there and I mo own
bitch and complain about why.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
This and why that?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
You know, how come it hasn't happened Now, It's happened
when it needs to happen.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
As long as I'm doing everything I can in my power.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Every single day, turn up to the gym, training, dieting,
preparing myself, saying the right emails, having the right communication
with the right people, with.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
The right coaches.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You have a good product and your promos are better
than some guys on TV.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Ooh ooh wait till that phone rings. Hey can you
do this in Spanish? Yes, sir? Can you do this
in Siity, yes, sir? Can you do this in English? Yes, sir.
I can even do it in side language. You know
I can do it.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's the hunger that is missing in today's world, because
everything in today's world is you want to see a movie.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Back then, we would go to Blockbuster.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You had to drive, get in your car, drive, go
get a movie, pay for it, come back in your car.
Now it's on demand. I don't even have to move
my feet. Everything in life is not easy. So that's
why the competition is really not that stiff, or you
think about it. So what happens if you have the
old school mentality, like if the competition's that stiff.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Man, you have a higher chance to win.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So that's the way I overcome all these things because
I know my future self already exists in the WWE
my future self of who I am, it's already alive.
I just need to find my way into that person.
And when that's accomplished.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I knew that guy was gonna do it. I knew
when I talked to him he had it.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
But along the way, nobody's clapping you at five am
when you got to get up and go train.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Nobody's clapping you.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
When everybody's saying no, not right now, nobody's clapping on you.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
When you're like, how am I going to make my
next move? How am I going to come up with
the next promo? How I'm gonna come up with the
next merchants? I used to stay relevant. That's your fucking problem.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Figure it out. That's life. That's why life makes you ruthless.
That's why life. I have very little patience for stupidity.
I have very little patience for ignorance because I've been
through so much in my short life and when people
come to me with their excuses instead of the right
questions of hey, what about this ah intelligent guy? I

(20:22):
like this guy. Now, well, this fucking shit happened.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know. You know, my grandpa just died.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So I can't continue this career because I'm very sad
in the press, big fucking deal. You know what's gonna happen.
Everybody will perish one day. Say, like I said earlier,
it's gonna happen. Did you enjoy them? Did you take
the pictures with him? Did you hug and say I
love you as many times as you could?

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Cool, It's good to go. I'll see you some other
I'll see you on the other side one day. We
don't know what's on the other side. Nobody really knows.
People want to pretend like they do know because it
gives the sense of clarity, gives a sense of peace.
But most important, it gives a sense of power. So
am I any different than all the people that, oh
max your narcissistic levels, your manipulative levels, You're this, You're

(21:03):
We're the same. I'm just very expressive about it. Big difference.

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Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, no, no, but honestly, like it's what I got
on that is, it's a mindset. You have a mindset
that other people, a lot of people don't have, and
it's it's it's a it's a mindset to succeed and
that you can achieve everything you want to achieve. You've
already manifested what you want. You're gonna work to get
there no matter what. Uh, there's a part that you
mentioned earlier. I want to ask you about before we

(23:08):
get to that those two things. First thing is, first,
how important to you? Because you said you have a
background in bodybuilding and fitness competition type of stuff. How
important was it for you to get involved in bodybuilding?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I got how important? Uh the first time I lifted
the weight. So let's go a little bit more back.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, because because you started with I was at the
Arnold Classic, Like, how why were you at the Arnold Classic?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
You know, go ahead, I'll tell you how I got there.
Bumba added a little bit more to it.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, when we were when we were kids, we didn't
have much money.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I'm the oldest on my other two siblings.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
There was times because the tickets when WW will come
into town into Idalgo, Texas down in the real Grand Valley,
which is border of northern Mexico and Texas, two hours
away from Laredo. The tickets were sixty seven dollars and
fifty cents per person to be, you know, closer to
the ring. You want to be up there. At the time,
there were fifteen twenty bucks. Sometimes. My mom didn't have

(24:05):
money to buy those, so she got intelligent and I
know now it's front upon, but back then she said, hey,
let's go to the airport and we'll sit there and
you guys can watch the wrestlers arrive if they're nice enough,
and get you a picture.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
So we had our code act whatever thing, and we're sitting.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
There and I won't forget when I started seeing these
guys coming in, I'm.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Like, man, they look different. Man, why is her skin
look so ten? Why are they so big?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And I just got fascinated by saying how everybody would.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Turn and look like, who's that? Who's is that Randy Orton? Oh?
Who's that that triple h Oh? Who's that? Oh? My god?
And I was like, I want some of that. I
want what I was a fat kid, yeah, so I
was like what am I doing? So for that Christmas eight?

(25:00):
My dad He's like, what do you want? And I
was like, Dad, Like, what happens to the old weights
used to have in Mexico?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
He's like, they're all there or whatever. He's like, we
can go pick them up and bring them back over
here across to Texas. I was like, okay, cool. We
brought all the weights, I washed them, spray painted them
so they can look somewhat nice, and I started using
that as the equipment. He got me a bench from
Academy Sports and Outdoors. It was an eighty nine dollars bench.
I won't forget the price. And I would do that

(25:25):
every day after school. And then when I started getting
a little bit stronger, I would go to the weight
room because now I had more confidence. Then we fast
forward a year later. One of my uncles, and I
will never be thankful enough to him, he saw me
putting in all this work at fourteen, fifteen years old,
and he said, hey, man, come on, jump into the truck.
He takes me to a local gym and I won't
forget the name of the gym was far Gym in

(25:47):
for Texas, and it was nine ninety nine a month,
and he paid for my gym membership for three years.
All at once, he says, now you have a gym.
Now is your responsibility to come here? He said, I
don't know how you're going to find a way here,
But you have a gym membership and you have the
whole quipment. It is twenty four hours. At the time,
we had one vehicle. My mom had school that she

(26:09):
had to go for cosmetology, so she had to be
at school at five five pm and she when I
finished school at eleven thirty pm, and they got to
pick up my sister and come pick me up. So
she would drop me off after school at four pm
into the gym and she would not pick me up
till midnight. I remember people at the gym would be like, hey, man,
do you need a ride? Like I would take my homework,
I would you eat my meal there? I would sit

(26:31):
at the kids club watching Dora the Explorer door with
children because I was waiting for I was like, you
know what, I think, I'm gonna go do another workout.
I didn't build an ounce of muscle because I was
overtraining so much. But what I built was the hunger,
the foundation that is now who I am, meaning I
was willing to sit there and be patient and wait

(26:54):
because I was surrounded, but I knew that was going
to take me to where I wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
One day. That was step one. We fast forward.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I started getting more into social media, Facebook, Instagram, starts
being born. I come across this guy named Greg Plitt,
tremendous guy if you look him up cover model. He
was the mannequin for under Armour when under Armour started
kick ass dude, Army ranger, you.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Know, to top of the line.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
He ended up passing away and he had a huge
effect on me the times that we met in person.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
He was my.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Mentor that taught me how to build my physique. They
were having a memorabilia for him at the Arnold Classic,
so I said, you know what, let me go to
the n class. I want to pay my respects to
Greg and his father and everything because they were so
good to me. And that's when I met into the
director of talent relations for WWE. At the time, I

(27:50):
had just qualified for nationals on powerlifting, I mean strongmen,
so I was like, let me also talk to see
what competitions I can qualify for. But once I got
there and I got that card, I was like, fuck
strong man, I ain't got to go there. And that's
when it was a crossroads of life. Somebody died and
I remember Greg because he was a motivational speaker too.

(28:11):
He used to say, sometimes people have to die for
others to be born.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
I never understood that.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Maybe Greg was working from the shadows and hit the crossroads.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
And here's the crazy the synchronicities of life today. November
ninth of twenty thirteen was the first time we met
in person, and it's crazy that we're talking about him November.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Ninth, fast forward to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
That's insane. That's crazy how that works out sometimes. And
then I also want to ask you about this because
also brought up because I do want to run down
a list of names that you worked with, because you
worked in CLAD before that. Did they ever give you
a reason why they retracted their offer in that second
trial or was it more just go out there, do
your thing and try to come back again. Did they
ever give you a reason why they offered to you

(28:58):
and then rescinded it.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Nope, And that's okay because I look at myself back
then and I would have said no too.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
I look at myself now.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And if you guys have time, you can watch back
NXC it's gonna be I can't remember the episode place
in twenty eighteen June.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
When I had my match and I.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Look at a good looking kid, you know, and shape
this and that, but too young in the face, you know,
not through I don't know, man. There's a thing about
when you see somebody and you can tell like that
motherfucker has been through shit.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I don't know what it is, but I believe what
that fucker says.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And then there's a difference and we're like, yeah, this
guy's playing something he really is not. And that's what
I'm saying is I would have told myself no too,
because I wasn't ready today.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I feel ready.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Last night facing Miles Born, I felt ready. Booker T
put me to side.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
He's like, son, tremendous, Yeah, very much, thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I want to talk about the mouthsburn thing, and
we'll talk about that one second. But that was the
next thing I was gonna bring up next. I was like,
how did you connect with Booker T? And how do
you end up in reality of wrestling? So I've got
a big promotion in Texas, but was Booker the one
that you went to when you went to go find
a trainer?

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Like?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
How did you connect with Booker?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
So the way I connect to the Booker was through
a good friend of mine, Terrell Tempo.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
If you guys look it up, he's a tremendous talent.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
He also wrestles for Reality of Wrestling, and we were
training at the same school in San Antonio. So I
told the hey, man, it's cool if I ride with you,
and he's said, yeah, sure, dude, I'm on the show tonight.
He's like, just bring your stuff, you know, and wrestling
you always take your stuff, whether you're booked or not,
you always bring it. And I wrote with him, and
this was in twenty eighteen, and I remember it was

(30:44):
in the summer of twenty eighteen. I arrived and they
said Booker's not in today. He's with traveling with WW.
I was so They're like, hey, but we need guys
selling T shirts and nachos.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
So the first night is step foot in Reality Wrestling.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I actually sold teach and not just for other wrestlers
now that I beat and then you know, it's funny
out live now, but I'm selling their t.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Shirs man and I'm like, man, this sucks, you know.
Went back and I asked my friend Terrell. I's like,
you always a coolvet, right with you? Next month?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And he's like, yeah, bro, cool. So I go again. Ah,
Booker's there now. So he's in his office. So I said,
so what do I do? How do I get to this?
I said, I truly believe in ask and you shall receive.
So I go and stand outside Booker's office and I said,
either Booker has to go to the restroom, he has
to go to his car, he has to go to lunch,
he has to do something that he's going to leave

(31:33):
that office, and that's going to be my elevator pitch
and lo and behold. I hear Booker's voice is on
the cell phone, and I'm outside there holding my bag
looking at him, and he's on the phone looking at me,
and then hangs up.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
He's like, who are you.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm like, sorry, nice to meet you. My name is Max.
I came with Terrell. I've been wrestling for two years.
And I'll see if there's an opening for tonight. You
got your stuff? He's like, yes, sir, He's like change.
I was like, and this is like three pm in
the day.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Call time is two talents early arriving. Everybody's all dressed up.
Showtime is not till seven pm. So I go change
and I don't know if it was a rip or something,
but Booker took off for lunch.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
So I come out in my wrestling trunks, boots. I'm
putting some tan, you know, to get some cover. And
I'm just standing there now with my bag in my
wrestling trunks, knee passing boots without a shirt, and people
are passing by.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
They're like, who the fuck is this guy? What is
this fucking problem? So I'm standing there like, hey, have
you seen Booker ts? He just left.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I was like, man, fuck, So I'm kind of like, man,
So I kind of put on a T shirt and
some sweatpants. Booker comes back and he looks and he's like,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah you He's like come here. I
was like, man, he picked somebody out of the students.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's like you you do you guys know each other
and they're like no. He's like, get in the ring.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Bruce Britcher was there, MVP was there, Booker was there,
and the whole reality of wrestling roster was there.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
He's like, give me a five minute match to not
go over.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Time ding ding. I was like okay, and I called
the whole match. We finished the match. At four or
fifty five. Bookers like, you're on the show Tonight Talk.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
So I go on the show. That's my debut in
the summer of twenty eighteen. I was there for about
a year and a half and I remember they they
they didn't have much for me. You know, I was
mainly putting.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Guys over, and I'm just like, man, I'm like, don
two hundred and forty five pounds, two hundred fifty pounds
at the time I'm putting over a guy that's one
hundred and seventy pounds. Doesn't look like he's going to
push up. Sometimes in life I'm like, man, like so
COVID happens. I had the Texas Championship at the time.
They stripped it away because there was regulations only you know,
certain town was able to work.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
And I was like, you know what, I'm a step
foot away from wrestling. I'm a step foot away from wrestling.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Fast forward to January twenty twenty three, the Roy Rumbo
comes to the Alamo Dome in San Antonio, Texas. My
brother comes into town and we're at the very last
role in the animal drinking beer and Raquel Rodriguez comes
out and me and Raquel went to high school together
and Nidaugo, Texas.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
She was a senior and I was a Frenchman at
the time.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I remember my brother was like, yo, She's like, isn't
that the girl that went to high school with you?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
I was like yeah, He's like, why is she there
and you're not?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
And mother fucker did that fucking bother his younger brother,
my younger brother.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
That sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
It sounds about right. He's four years younger. He kept eating.
He had a pizza and a beer.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
He says, just talking shit.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, And I'm just like, why did you say that?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So I had, like I said, I had step foot
away from wrestling because I was just fed up.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I was just like, man, it's kind of like a dog.
For three years, no so and two COVID happens. I
kept wrestling. Yeah, So twenty twenty one, I started wrestling again.
I was mainly wrestling for s W E was I
don't know if you guys heard, Kevin Sullivan was there,
Teddy Long you know, so I.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
And always later was part of it or something for
a bit.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yes, they were bringing an end zo.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
They were bringing a lot of a lot of names
it was a cool company, and then the company, you know,
went out of business. So that was the time that
I was like, dude, I don't know, man, I'm kind
of done with this, Like I don't know, this is
not going to really hit and step foot away, try
to open up a business.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Failed. Did this fail? It was kind of like you know,
when you're going down the street, it's this.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wrong way, wrong way, wrong way. Everything that I was
doing was just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, kind of making
me do a U turn.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
But I didn't want to do I had to do
the same thing, so I get it. It's like you
have to go do something else to realize there's nothing
else that I really want to do. I'm going to
be successful at That's what I want to do to
in the back of my head. Anyways, mom my brother
said this shit little fired me.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
So I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, I'm twenty
eight years old. Fuck.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Then the very next day I started training again, so
I'm gonna get back in the ring.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I hit a reality arrest. I'm like, is there any
way I can come back?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know, you guys are absolutely you know, we'll have
a match fe on the next show.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Thank you very much, but they have a match.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I come back normal, you know, just wrestling trunks, boots,
you know, not really no personal to me. I wasn't
cutting promos, nothing because I was on the mindset of, well,
if they don't have nothing for me, then I guess
instead of me creating opportunities. So I shifted my mindset
from waiting for opportunities to creating opportunities. I think that
is a night and day in making it in life.

(36:29):
So I bump into Booker t at the airport because
they come me for extra work in Tampa, Florida for
the Roar Rum.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
But it's crazy roll rum. But the following year.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
And we have the same section, the same uh what's
it called the terminal see twenty four in Houston, Texas.
And I see him sitting down. I was like, man,
fuck it. So I'm going to sit next to him, like, hey, Booker,
how are you? Like Max, how are you? I was like, well,
we're sure talking. People are coming up for autographs. I
won't forget people like who's that guy on there?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Anyways, a Booker can get a like man, fuck you guys,
you know, come on, And.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
It was awesome. But I also like, man, like this
is this is so cool and isn't that funny.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
You're back at the airport, You're seeing a wrestler get
this adolation, and once again you're like, I want that now.
I got the signs. I got big because the rest
of us I as a kid. Now I'm an adulty
next to a star.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
I want to be a star. So you see how
the synchronicities of life.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
If you're really aware person and you sit down and
you pay attention, you realize how beautiful life is. So
I'm talking to Booker and I already had this lingering
idea of saying, hey, Booker, I have this idea for
this character, and I have this promo you know that
that that I want to show you. He's okay, He's

(37:44):
like yeah. I'm like can I can I get your
phone number? And he's like yeah, absolutely, he gives me
a phone number. It's like, damn, that's a win. I
didn't have no promo. I started filming one. So I
come back home and.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
An opportunity exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
So, my dad used to watch Scarface a lot, and
I remember watching al Pacino always have a cigar in
his hand. So I'm thinking, you know what, I like cigars.
Let me put in a cigar, Let me put in
a couple of girls. Let me put in this, this,
and that. Boom, finish the video, start editing it.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Bam. Send it to him. I see him at Reality Wrestling.
I'm like, book Er, what'd you think of the promos?
I like it? You got more like? Yes, Sir, I
didn't have more.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
That pushed me to start filming more so I started
filming another two. Send it to him. Okay, we want
to change your entrance. I need you to get a
nice leather jacket. And I said, yes, sir. So I
remember said, okay, fuck, I have this character. I need
a nice leather jacket. I can't go to Macy's and
buy a sixty dollars jacket. I can't go to a

(38:46):
men's warehouse and say, hey, give me the nice no,
because probably somebody else has it, and I don't want
to be looked at and be like well man anyways,
So I said, something's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Something's gonna happen. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I had already bought tickets for WRESTLEMANI a weekend in
Jersey for Wrestleman in forty and I went not to
see the show, but to be there in place in
case they needed extra workers for anything, for entrances, whatever.
So I was in town. You know, send the right emails. Unfortunately,
they didn't pick me. One of my boys is there
and he says, Yo, you want to go Atlantic City.

(39:21):
I was like, Hey, it's an hour and a half away.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Let's go gamble, let's have a good time. So we're
drying in Atlantic City. Me growing up, I've always been
a huge fifty cent fan. So I see up in
the billboard and fifty cent happens to be playing that night.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Look up the tickets. The tickets were eighty dollars. I
was like, you want to go, let's go. We go.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
We arrived there around ten thirty, not a lot of
people talking, talking, drinking whiskey. By the time you know it,
this place starts getting packed. So the people pushes us
to the front. Fifty cent comes out, Bam bam. Third song,
he's about to play many Men song. The lights dim,
fifty takes off this red leather jackets and he's wearing it.

(40:03):
I have footage of this, and he throws the jacket
and guess who was the son of a bitch that
caught it?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
And I caught it.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
And people are fighting, no, no, and I'm thinking I
got my jacket.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
So my boy is like, put it on, put it on.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
So I put it on and people one guy was like,
I'll give you two thousand dollars right now for it.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I was like, nope, nope. I walked out of there
and he's like, bro, you got your fucking jacket.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
So the debut if you go back to reality wrestling.
My first red leather jacket is fifty cents. I think
it's value like a twelve hundred dollars in a New
York boutique. I looked it up everything from the brand,
and I met fifty cent last October. So as I
walk up to fifty, I have the leather jacket on
and I have the picture on my Instagram and fifty

(40:52):
looks at it and I was like, hey, man, you
recognize this.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
I caught this from you at Harrah's in Atlantic City.
He's like yeah, yeah. He's like I have a munch match.
I was like, yeah, got the picture.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
My brother's are with us, and he's like, how did
you just talk to fifty like that, I was like,
and so for me it was kind of like, man,
this if this is not the good luck, here you go,
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's the brad crumbs of moments, a good luck that
keeps you going too, because it's like there has to
be reason that's happened the way it happened otherwise, like,
you know, I come this far now, so like I
gotta keep going, and this happens that must have been
a sign.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
So you know, wear that fifty jacket.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I still have it. I have it in my closet
right now, and I'm not going to sell it. I'm
going to frame that with my picture. I just haven't
framed it, but I have it there next to my
leather jackets. I have fifteen my own customized leather jackets.
Every single month for the last fifteen months, I've been
coming out with a brand new jacket. This one is
one I debuted last night for the month of November.
I have a different one for the month of December,

(41:52):
month of January, and We're going to keep going. I
feel like the O two Sino with the different trunks
and boots that he had, you know, for every single
that would play. But what I'm saying is all these
little nuggets that happen in life.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
For me is aha aha aha. I'm going the right way.
And sometimes people don't see your final vision. I see it.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's all that matters because I'm the one protecting it.
I'm the one building it. People are gonna either come
and try to destroy it, or there's gonna be some
people that are gonna help you build it. And here's
the thing, here's a sad part about life. Sometimes people
help you build it and then along the way they
start destroying it because it bothers them that they didn't
think you were gonna mount to something. Sometimes people believe

(42:37):
in you, but only to a certain level, and then
you overcome that level and they see like this guy
ain't stopping, and then you remind them of what they
could have been. Now they start slowly feeling sus a jealousy,
a sense of like hmm hmm, okay, happens. I feel
it all the time. I feel it more now than

(42:57):
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Cut them off, Bye.

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sure you get them all before they do another drop,
so you don't miss out on any of the any
of the drops. Yeah, let's talk about Miles Bourne. You
wrestled Milesborne, asked your office. He's an NXT. He's in
the place where you want to get to. He's in
the w W Ah, what did it mean to wrestle him?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
And did like?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
How much of this match matter for you? Because you
know other people will be watching it, you know higher
ups to be checking this out. You know the people
that sent him an extreme But let's go see this
thing that we send him to go do and then
they're gonna see you wrestling him. How much did the
match has to matter to you?

Speaker 4 (45:25):
It mattered it. It's every match to me. I take
it as it could be my last match, because you
never know. We've seen people die in the ring.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You've seen people that after the match, God forbid, something happens,
they never get to wrestle again.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
So I can't say this match is more important than
any other match. No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It's another stepping stone to where I want to get. Yes,
he is where I'm not there yet. Yesterday was a
tremendous match. Did I have a hiccup. Yeah, I probably
had a hiccup. As far as you know.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
It was a non title match, so he didn't take
the championship. The bells with me. It's not it's not
in Orlando, Florida. Na. Yeah, Miles Born.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
He felt some shots to the face, he fell, some
strong chops to the chest, some big clubs to the back,
a super plex.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
We jumped from the top of the whole Texas City
was like, this is awesome. I'm there, like, why am
I doing this? My beck is coy want to so? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Is every single match to me is another stepping stone.
I don't see as oh man, well this is a plateau.
I've been here, now another stepping stone. Last month I
beat Javier Bernald he's an NXC alumni WITHXC.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
I beat his ass too. Bam. And who's next month?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I don't know, And whoever it is, I'll figure it
out because there's always a game plan.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I'm the type of guy that I believe the more
you plan, the Lisa goes your way.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Sometimes you just have to have a blueprint and an
idea and you need to figure out because life is
not a straight road.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
It is a segue of moments. It is a seguay
of trials and tribulations.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It is a segue is the wrong signs green lights,
yellow lights, red lights. You have to just figure it
out when it's time to break, when it's time to accelerate,
and when it's time to cruise control.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Now I have figured that out for myself as we go.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I'm a big fan. I always say, I'm like, you
can to start with an idea and then just start.
Don't try to plan it out perfectly. Say it's gonna
happen this way. It's good to have a plan, but
it's not gonna go that way. Just start and you'll
figure it out and hit the road bumps when you
hit them. Sending people back to Orlando with the scars
to show kick their ass is a good thing to do.
When we met you already, this Max Castillon, you already

(47:49):
who you are today. You are the women that's ready
to look. This is the only Max I know. I
don't know the Max before. So that being said, I
feel like you're in your element. I feel like you're
in your group. Every time I see I'm like, no,
this is him exaggerated, this is who he is. The women,
the cigars. The look like he is the most company
he's probably ever been in his career right now. That's

(48:09):
why I wanted to get you on the show. That's
why I want to talk to you. Let me ask
you this, because I'm gonna be remiss if I don't
ask you this. To switch gears for a second.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
You got to work with JTG and Shad Gasper.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
How was that experience?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Because I had a close relationship with Shadd Unfortunately he
passed away. But is there anything you went from Shadd
and JTG in the time working with them?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Man, I got to I got to work with Shadd
right before he passed actually, and I won't forget. We
were up in the ring before the show started and
him and JTG are They're like biggering about something yeah,
and Shad comes here.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
He's like how much your way? And I was like
two forty? He's okay. So he picks me up like
in a sidewalk slam, like just like you, and he's
just holding me and I'm just like what the fuck?
Like this growing ass dude is carrying another grown ass
dude like chat. Jtg's like, yo, why you have him there?
Like that? He's like oh, and he just drops me.

(49:08):
I just drop and there's like people watching. I was like,
all right, excuse me, are you gonna at least he's.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Sorry, bro, And then we're just talking. I mean, we
had the match and he pulled me aside after me
and chat and he's.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Liked, bro, He's like, you got talent. Bro. He's like,
you're good. Good ship? Ook there, good ship? You listened.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I was okay, man, thank you very much. Anything else like, no, no,
good ship. We had fun and it was a very
you know, in this business is very quick. It's it's
a very quick ride. That meaning, let's say they give
you a big match and you're like, man, this is
coming up. By the time you're in the ring, boom
ding ding, and the bells the match over, you're like, dude,
that went by so fast. You have to catch yourself

(49:46):
and enjoy those moments that when you're standing on the
top rope and you're looking at the crowd, you have
to soak in that memory because sometimes when you get
in the ring, the athlete, the performer.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Just goes into autopilot and does what they know how
to do. Same thing.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
There's been times, I'm sure you've been driving home and
you're like, wait, how did I get home?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
And you just knew how to take the turns. Your
mind was somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
That's wrestling unless you go from unconscious to conscience and
you start absorbing the people booing you, the people cheering you,
your music, playing the lights, the smoke. You're like, I'm
actually doing the thing I said I.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Was gonna do. Man, this is pretty cool. And that's
what I'm saying. That's my whole concept is catches up.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
In these moments, not just as a performer, but just
in life, where what you have right now I bet
ten years ago you would kill to have and now
you have it, but you find a way to complain about, oh,
well i've only had this too well, I can't wait
to have this. Well, when you do have it ten
years around, you're going to find something else to complain.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
You're never going to be satisfied. You can have everything,
and you're always gonna feel empty. I never feel empty.
People tell me that, oh you need this, you need
I feel full. Well. Listen, we got a lot in common.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I think a lot of the thing where you think,
and I think this conversation has made me a bigger
fan because I relate to a lot of what you're saying.
Like I said, I've only known this Max castis. I've
known this version of you, and this version of you
has gotten opportunities a little bit outside arresting, done some modeling,
he does some acting.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
You're like the spokesperson for a beer.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I believe.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
How does it feel to know that? Like, hey, like,
there's other things I can do.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Whether it's outside arrestling as well now because I feel
the most confident I found myself, Like, I feel okay
in my own skin.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
So when you feel good in your own skin, obviously,
the confidence you cannot fake. It's just something from the
way you walk, to the way you talk, to the
way you shake somebody's sand. You look them in the eye,
you don't get them a dead fish for a hand.
It shows like this guy is proud of who he is.
You know, can come off as arrogant and sometimes you know,

(51:52):
but when you build that confidence, it carries over to
many things at the same time.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Same like earlier, everything has the shelf life wrestling. There's
only so many bumps you can take.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
There's only so many matches you can do before you say,
you know what I don't know about this anymore. Acting
and modeling is another avenue to still be in the
entertainment business.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
But not be able to take those bumps.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
And also, compare to indie wrestling, acting and modeling pays
a lot more without even having to take a jot.
You just memorize a couple of lines, deliver them free catering.
Look at the coffee, cigar breaks back action. So, man,
when you've been through the wrestling, all the bumps are
the bullshit and you know the hot dogs and the

(52:37):
twenty dollars pay in front of three people, and then
you get a call and you like, hey, we're looking
for a model for a grunt style.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
We're going to sign you. This is going to be
the pay. We're going to pay all this. We're going
to take you to this exclusive ranch. We're gonna shoot.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You're gonna get free merchandise every single month you're on
the website, You're going to be on the email list
and to millions of people. They got one point one
million followers that they're putting in My faith.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Man, this is not so bad after all.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You know, I might you know, I consider jumping over
here and no wonder the rock left to Hollywood. Was like,
it's not a bad deal obviously, and he paved the
way for all of us because it inspires generations saying
there is more life after wrestling, you know. And so yeah,
I did Twaine Beer Salt. It's a beer salt for

(53:23):
companies that you do. And then Gruntstyle, which is the best,
one of the best companies I've ever worked with. The
way that happened, I won't forget is the night before
I got the call and going back to my friend
to Royal Temple. He got me into that same that
he got me into reality wrestling. He got me into Grunstyle.

(53:43):
He got called from Grunstyle. So he' sai yo, I'm
shooting with it. I was like, bro, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Man. I love that brand.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I wear that brand all the time. You know, they
sell it here stores. It's you know, it's a military brand.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
My apartment flooded the night before, so I was up
all night was this huge storm, and I'm just like, man, whatever,
So my phoneke's ringing in the morning and I'm seeing
I'm like, dude, not right now, not right now. I'm
trying to sleep. I'm trying to catch up and sleep.
So I finally answer after three calls like what. He's like, Yo,
what are you doing? I was like, nothing do I'm
trying to get some sleeping. My apartment's a mess, Like, well,

(54:18):
what do you want? He's liked bro, He's like, I'm
at to shoot a model. Didn't show up. Can you
be here in the next fifty minutes?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
I was like for grund style. He's like yeah. I'm like,
what do I bring? He's like, just jeans and boots.
I'll be there. Yeah, And I got there. They threw
me a T shirt posed like this, posed like that.
He's another T shirt. He's a hood. He do this
next thing?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
You know. The following week, I have a meeting with
them over Zoom, meeting that we want to have a
meeting with you to talk.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
About see we can bring you in as one of
our models.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So absolutely bam. That week and Sunday, Father's Day, my
grandpa passes away. My grandpa was like my father. He
passes away unexpectedly. I'm driving to go see him. He
dies an hour before I got their heart attack. So okay,
I'm processing the news. I have to break the news
to my mom. I've never seen a human being cry
as hard as she did, collapse on the floor like

(55:13):
a toddler that I don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
And I'm just like, if there's moments that you have
to be strong, it is right now. Now.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
We have to break the news to everybody else and slowly,
you know, start getting the funeral arrangements.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
So Tuesday comes and that's the second day of the service.
So I get this note on my calendar of zoom
meeting with Girn style. Fuck fuck I forgot man, and right.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Away a crossroads happened number one and I can't do
it or suck it up, put on some sunglasses and
take the meeting. I go to the car, sit down,
wipe the tears, put the sunglasses on. What's up, guys,
Thank you very much for yes, talk to me a Max.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
You did great. We're gonna bring you in. We have this,
this and that. I'm listening all this, but my mind
starts wandering off and I'm trying to Yes, I love it.
This is gonna be the pay and we're looking to
you know, have you for the next year. We want
to sign? Yes, where do I sign?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
We'll send you the PDF and this the next shoot
is going to be a three day studio shoot. I said, okay,
cool sign with grunt style. One of the hardest days
of my life saying goodbye. We'll not even get to
say goodbye to him because I was an hour too
late and he had a heart attack on Father's Day.
As soon as I finished with that call, went into

(56:38):
the funeral home, did the eulogy for him. After that,
people started getting up speaking on him.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Went outside. Man, I'm seriously, you know when you sprint, yeah,
and you're done running, and you like get your hands
on your knees, You're like, you're so tired. I had
to do that. I had to do that. Take that
deep breath. You have to take the breath of money
pot dude.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I'm like, I'm being tested to tell you the level
of stress and everything that happened within those four days.
I lost about fifteen pounds within four days of just
body weight from just not eating, just stress, just everything.
How we you know, because my mom was she was devastating,
my grandma. Everything was a mess. And then you know,

(57:21):
traveling back to San Antonio, getting clothes, driving back Geby,
it was it was a mess.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Found a way figure it out.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So what does that do that builds a foundation stronger,
that builds me into the man that cannot be broken.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
And that's what I'm saying. Every single thing is either
building me or destroying me.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
The choice is yours. So I connect everything. I was like, huh,
it's funny. Life says, you know what you're going through. Shit,
here's an opportunity. Are you going to take it? Are
you going to complain about it?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
No? I'll take it. Bring it on. Same thing.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Booker T calls me the I before twenty four hour
notice your wrestling Miles born tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
That match was for somebody else, and as for you,
let's do it that. I think preparation meets opportunity.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
That that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I honestly I think that's a I think it's a
great way to wrap it up because if we learned anything,
I think I learned that, like you have a ton
of perseverance, ton of commitment, and once again, when when
opportunity you know what appears like you, you grasp on
that opportunity, you make the most out of it.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
And I'm so intrigued to see now moving forward, I.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Feel like now I know you a little bit better
than I did before. So I'm a little bit more
invested into how this plays out. I'm intrigued to see
what happens when you move forward, and I'm a fan.
I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you, though, like,
what are your goals? Because we're wrapping up twenty twenty five,
we got a month or so left. What are your
goals for twenty twenty six? What do you see yourself
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Six signing a multi deal, a big deal with the
biggest company in the world.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
It out there. I'm with you, all right, Yeah, you
know why.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
You know why because I have a lot of footage
that I've clipped that I've said some shit that back
then soundly ludicrous, and now if it's so perfect with
my videos, I'm like, man, I was saying this shit
back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. All of a sudden,
you know, when I do this Edison and stuff, I
was like, man, like, he really wanted to be a
restaurant all this time, same thing when I was a kid.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
One day, I want to be a wrestlering career day. No,
that's they know you. You got to pick a college course. Now,
I don't want to be a college course. I don't
want to do that.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So yeah, I'm speaking into existence because I love when
things age well, they're like I love that.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Look at that video.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
You know when you see somebody years ago say something
and they play it into music and then it's like
the final product, like oh yeah, so yes, I will
sign it.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
We're gonna clip this.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
And then when you show up abut to make a video,
what goes into you being there? Because it's true, I've
said a lot of things that I just said out
of the side of my mouth because I was like,
someone asked you a question.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I was like, this is my answer.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I didn't think it was going to happen, and then
it happened, and I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Talk again. I'll say it clear so you can clip this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I will sign a contract with the biggest company in
the world. Mark my words.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
There you go, thank you for doing this. We appreciate,
we're gonna have you back on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
I feel like I'm very invested in when you're that big.
H huh, make sure you accept the invite. When you're
that big, don't forget.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Don't forget about us.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
That's the first thing I do. That's the first thing
I would do is unfollow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Like, don't need this guy anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Thank you so much appreciating your time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Honestly you carry this show. But it was great listen
to your story. I didn't want to interrupt. I didn't
want to ask you any other questions, like you're telling
us who you are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
And that's what I wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Everybody to get out of this is if they watch us, they've.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Being like they have an opinion on you, whether they
like you or they dislike you, they have an opinion
on you now and that's what matters.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
And thank you so much for you time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Absolutely justin thank you very much, guys, I appreciate it.
Thank you. Yeah,

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