January 21, 2025 • 43 mins
This week Sierra picks up on our coverage of Cody Legebokoff and his horrific crimes. We learn about Cynthia Maas and Loren Leslie before he is finally arrested in 2010. You are not going to believe the excuses this man comes up with...get your sangrias ready!
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, Twisted Humans.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult or haunting than this is.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The podcast for you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hello, and welcome to episode one eighty three, Part two
of your favorite podcast. When we left off in part one,
we had just talked about Natasha Montgomery, a twenty three
year old mother of two. Sadly, Cody would continue taking
(00:53):
beautiful women from the world too soon before his arrest
in November of twenty ten. But before we get into
all of that in this part two of our coverage, Alicia,
do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I do. It was the first fun fact that I
saw when I mad scrolled through the eight hundred and
fifty three hard to Believe facts, Okay, and I have
learned that I am the opposite of a kangaroo. Kangaroos
are capable of living for several months without drinking a
(01:27):
drop of water, same should they desperately need some. Kangaroos
dig wells in like the ground over a meter deep
to be able to access water.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Same as in I'm the same as you, the opposite
of a kangaroo because fuck.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That and another fuck okay, So there's like three kangaroo
facts in a row, and I'm actually terrified of kangaroos
now I've learned that they can get up to seven
feet all fuck that noise. Have you ever seen a
kangaroo with mussels? No? So, if a kangaroo was chased
(02:07):
by a dog close to a lake or river, it
might jump in the water for safety, and if the
dog follows them, they'll try and drown the dog. Kangaroos
are not okay.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Did we walk through the kingaro exhibit when we went
to the cincinat Yes, Yeah, And it was.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Like midday, so they were all kind of like laying
down and chilling, which I'm kind of glad.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
For the last time I went there. One of the
males was trying to forcibly be on top of one
of the females. It was awkward.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I'm standing by this. Came Dicks.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
What time of the year was it? Was it like
end of something?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Because I say that because as soon as we left
out of the kangaroo exhibit, we went to the penguin
exhibit and two penguins weren't for sure mating and my
nephew Ev We were like, look, they're wrestling because he
loves wrestling. Yeah, it was for sure mating season up
in there. Okay, oh my god. Kangaroos are scary. I
(03:13):
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah. The hole that they can get up to seven
feet tall thing, I was like, that's taller than people.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Kangaroos sound like the like alpha males of like like
human men who call themselves alpha males. That's what I
feel like. Kangaroos are totally with my.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just gonna look and be like, wait, how many listeners
do we still have in Australia Before I get some angry,
they're still They're Rocket number three still, So just know
we love you highly. No disrespect to kangaroo, but they.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Probably also feel the same way about kangaroos. They got
to deal their ship a day.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Right, they gotta deal with them rounding their dogs.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Fuck up, I'm just saying and fighting for no reason,
the alpha male of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
What's your fu? Fuck?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
My fun fact I learned while listening to tennis podcasts
today their newest episode. So Hurricanes were first given names
in the United States in nineteen fifty three, and they
were only female names for the first twenty five years.
(04:33):
Oh shit, only female names for hurricanes until nineteen seventy
eight when they started alternating male and female names. And
now why is that?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Is it like a mother nature thing or.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, I am going to assume that in nineteen fifty
three it was more of a women cause chaos thing.
Oh yeah, because this is America.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, but I shouldn't have stayed not trade exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So now they alternate between male and female every year,
and there are actually seven lists that they use, so
every seven years they reuse the same names, and less
know that the storm is super deadly or super costly,
then they'll retire that name. One of the retired names
is Alicia.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh shit, my apologies, but all Alicia is including that
hurricane because in the eighteen hundreds it's fine. Is there
a Siero one? No?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I checked?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Damn. Yeah, you're like more of a peaceful soul.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Though, So a lot of hurricanes don't get to the
end of the alphabet, like, there's usually not that many
in a season. A is the first one they go
in off that order. Okay, there's always at least one.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hopefully that's the last Alicia because that's not what we
want to be known about over heres.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well it's retired, so never again.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
There we go. We're set. And speaking of not being
set and not anything to do with what Sierra just said,
I'm just I can make it.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Wait, I got this, I got this.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So, speaking of hurricanes, I have a in my new
house that I just bought, a storm shelter. It's like underground.
It's like a pod that you can like sit in,
and we definitely plan on having hurricane parties down there.
And uh with drinks. Tell me a drink we could
drink in a hurricane party.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, uh, the chaos that my husband caused is definitely
a hurricane in itself. So I made a white wine
cranberry pear thingria. Not used a lot of pairs in
our thing rea history, And honestly, I don't eat a
(07:03):
lot of pears, and I don't know why I really
like them every single time I buy them. So that said,
I made this cingria, which I'm going to tell you
about it in a second, but it comes to the story.
So I don't partake in witchy activity as often as
I would like to because I'm just busy and I'm
(07:23):
forgetful and a little ball of chaos myself. However, I
did this year. I did two simmer pots and one
of them had pairs in them. So I had a
mason jar made of this cingria in the fridge and
Kevin thought it was like old simmer pot and dumped
(07:47):
it out, Kevin Ken, not you, Kevin. And speaking of Kevin,
Sierra was on our friend Kevin's show From Where the
Weird Ones Are, and that released the day that we
are recording this tomorrow, so January eighth. So go back
in time a little bit and listen to that episode. Yes, okay,
(08:10):
So this angria back to that and communication. So it
is sliced pears, and you could do either fresh or
frozen cranberries. And then I was feeling so bold because
I still had a little bit of the ginger simple
syrup from the red wine s angria that we did before,
so I was like, eh, fuck it, pear, cranberries, ginger
(08:34):
sure or whatever, mix it in there. It was. It
actually worked with the white wine. It actually worked the
time that I mixed mint and something else fucking weird,
and you were like, why would you do that? Sometimes
it works, sometimes it works, but that's okay, So we
forgive Kevin for that, and I got wine.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Still, I am just drinking water today.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Good for you. Water is good. I should have had
more of it. Yesterday I did two hours of Hot
Bodies and yoga and I could barely walk.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I have had a kink creek, you know whatever it's
called my neck since Sunday, and I feel like I'm dying.
I went to the gym on Monday anyway because I
was like, it's fine, I just won't mess with it.
And the first half of the workout I was fine.
The second half we were supposed to do these weird
(09:30):
pull up thingies, and I specifically asked the lady. I
was like, listen, this hurts right here. How can I
do this without hurting. She's like, oh, it's fine, just
just do this part. You'll be good. As soon as
I got up there, I heard like a crunch and
I was like, I'm leaving now. These fucking words so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So I lied to me.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But yeah, I'm thinking about going tomorrow. I can almost
turn my head all the way, so that's awe. Yeah,
it's weird to drive because I have to turn my
body instead of my neck, like this one's fine. This
way not so much.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh and I heard that once you get like one
kink in your neck, we sound eight hundred, you get
multiple kinks. Like it's like more prone to happen. It's
like slipping a rib, which I've done multiple times. Yeah,
once it happens once, it can happen a couple of times. See.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What pisses me off the most about it is that
for the past like two weeks, I have been sleeping
in a way that is not that I know is
not the way I usually sleep. Ever since our vacation.
We came back and in my bed, I'm like, something's wrong.
My pillow is wrong somehow, this isn't the way it's
usually stacked, Like, I'm not sleeping correctly. And so Saturday
(10:45):
night I finally got it. Slaying down, I was like,
this is it. I got my pillows right. Sunday morning,
I woke up with this and I was like, oh, apparently
my body doesn't like that way of sleeping anymore. So
I got my pill is right, and it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Unfortunately, I told that's the most relatable standard ever. And
I've heard somebody told me that you have to replace
your pillows every six months. I'm like, ma'am, who has
the money or the fucking time. I haven't replaced my
pillows in at least a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I haven't replaced my pillows. I don't know. I've had
these the whole time we lived in the Tennessee apartment.
That's like five years. I just replaced pillow every other day. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, that's yeah. See, I feel like that's normal. Somebody
was like, no, you're supposed to replace your pillow, and
I was like, I bought a memory foam pillow, memory
dollar pillow, Like why would I replace that every day?
It's supposed to remember? I hate but it is, So
I'm like, that's playoff. But my point to that being
(11:54):
somebody told me that if you start getting neckkinks, that
means it's time to replace your pillow.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And I was like, well, I was cleaning my garage
and I found in the attic an entire bag of
brand new pillows. So bus I'll pull one of those
puppies out.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Bonus. Yeah, speaking of bonuses, if you would like to
hear about Sira's new house, you gotta come join us
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Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes, all right, we are going to get right back
into this terrible, awful serial killer case. But first we
are going to hear a quick promo from Beyond the Shadows.
All right, I think I hacked in. We're on the air.
Security is outside, But how's my hair?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a re huge stations.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You guys hear about the Beyond the Shadows podcast with
Ryan and Scott.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You guys into pair normal?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What about your cryme? How about UFOs and cryptids? We
also have mad hauntings.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
We got security? No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
We're not enough to need it yet. No security. Hey,
what are you guys doing? Get out of here.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Listens podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, we are going back to September of twenty ten
when the sorry, when Natasha Montgomery was reported missing. Cynthia
Mass thirty five, had last been seen on the tenth
of that month and was reported missing on the twenty third.
(13:37):
She was an Indigenous woman and described as incredibly sweet
and trusting, a bit of a hippie type. Cynthia, like
the others, had also suffered from a drug addiction, but
was in the process of getting clean. She made efforts
to check in regularly with friends and family, and was
attending AA and NA meetings, but when she was last seen,
(13:59):
her family was worried that she may have relapsed. Cynthia
also engaged in sex work previously to offset the cost
of her addiction, and her family was particularly worried about
her being in this lifestyle due to an undisclosed disability,
in which her family stated she was mentally more vulnerable
(14:19):
than other women her age. Cynthia's family had known something
was off, but after nearly two weeks they filed a
missing person's report. She wouldn't go that long without talking
to someone. Her only goal at the time of her
disappearance was to get custody of her young daughter again
after she was taken away due to the addiction. Given
(14:43):
where she was at the time of her disappearance, it
is not completely clear how Cody and Cynthia would have
crossed paths, but Prince George isn't a very large town,
and tragically, her body would be found on October ninth
in L C. Go Park in Prince George during a
police search for her. She was lying just tucked behind
(15:06):
the tree line of the park. Her pants had been
pulled down, and she had suffered blunt force trauma and
a number of stabbings. The autopsy report stated her injuries
were consistent with someone violently stomping on her.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's fucking awful.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It's so bad, and.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like we always like to say that these people
are so much more than their addictions, and it's extra
sad to me when somebody's literally on the precipice of
trying to pull their life together and then somebody like
fucking Cody comes along.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah wreck. Evidence tying Cody to Cynthia included a
sock found in his apartment and an axe in the
corner of his room, both containing traces of her DNA
on them. An axe an acts what the.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Fuckoh sir again? Lexier said in part one, how dirty
is your house?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Seriously? Why do you have a.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Reorder? Yeah? Thank you for being dumb, but also you're disgusting.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Disgusting. Now this brings us back to the beginning of
our story on November twenty seven, twenty ten, when the
body of a young woman is found due to police
pulling Cody over for driving erradically and following the literal
blood trail he left behind. That young woman would be
identified as fifteen year old Lauren don Leslie, the girl
(16:43):
from the ID found in the monkey backpack in Cody's truck.
Lauren was the daughter of Doug and Donna Leslie, a
divorced pair who had mastered co parenting amicably for the
sake of Lauren, who handled all of it very well.
(17:04):
Lauren was born with a genetic condition that made her
legally blind. She had no vision in one eye and
about fifty percent in the other, but she never let
that get in the way of what she wanted to do.
At the time of her murder, she was in the
tenth grade. She was incredibly smart and described as caring
and compassionate. She had always loved people and was very
(17:26):
empathetic towards major public issues that most girls her age
probably could care less about. All her life growing up,
her goal was to do something to help others. Lauren
was also affectionately called a water baby. She loved just
being in the water, swimming, boating, tubing, you name it,
(17:48):
she'd do it. Lauren was also very adventurous and could
be known to push her boundaries, as all fifteen year
olds are wont to do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On November twenty seventh, twenty ten, she had spent most
of the day with her mom and around eight pm.
She told her mom she was going to meet with
a girlfriend of hers for coffee. Her mom agreed, all
was good there, but she wasn't actually going to meet
a girlfriend. She was going to meet a guy that
she had been chatting with online. Listen moms, all of
(18:29):
the red flags. Number one, your fifteen year old should
not drink coffee at eight pm, Okay, And I was
number one something I would do. But also I would
beat my child, not literally, but still how Yeah, oh
my god, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And like not blaming her parents at all, but like
or her for that matter, But it's like, I respect
and admire Sierrah's avenue of having relationships with their kids
because you and what the relationship I had with my family.
Most of the time, you don't want your kids to
(19:11):
lie to you, Like it's better to like know you're
doing something fucked up, but at least know that you
have a safe avenue or a safe person to go to.
And when you don't really know what your kid is
doing and stuff like this happens, it's just so scary.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I am the way I am with my children
because I was this kid. I was the Lauren Leslie
I did not tell my parents fucking anything I was doing.
I lied all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I had coffee at eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have said coffee because my parents
would have said no to coffee. But I one hundred
percent would fill my backpack full of jingling alcohol bottles
and say I'm going for a walk and then go
drink behind the freaking target and see UFOs in the sky.
Like that happened all the time, the UFOs once, but
(20:05):
drinking behind target all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay, I was literally just gonna say no. Definitely, the
UFOs everything. That's why she hosts this podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
That's what happened. Also, Adderall is bad.
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Oh well, I don't know. I don't know. Somebody will
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To your parents, okay, please.
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Speaker 3 (22:44):
We'll see you there. Because Lauren was from a small
town and many of her friends lived in different towns,
she spent a lot of time chatting with them online
and in the process meeting new people Lauren and co
had met a few weeks prior on nex Sophia, Alicia
(23:04):
mentioned this site when she covered the Richardson family murders.
This is how Jasmine and her Werewolf's boyfriend had met.
It was like my Space, but only for Canada. Cody's
user name was one country Boy and Lauren's was bathe sheep. Yeah,
(23:27):
bath sheep.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Somebody's seen that the sheep in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That I oh, it's ba the sheep. Like even I
got it the sheep?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh my god, where all she here? Cira's got it
all right sheep? Save Bob. Yeah. See you and Lauren
same same.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It was very clear they had very different intentions and
reasons for talking to each other, though. When Lauren was
just being polite and meeting new people, all of Cody's
messages were suggestive and sometimes even aggressively sexual, asking her
what positions she liked. Jesus, Lauren made efforts to change
(24:14):
the topic every time this happened. She knew that Cody
was twenty and would continually remind him that she was
fifteen and just wanted to be friends. So it's not
like she lied about her age. Okay, yeah, she's like,
I'm fucking fifteen, dude.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean, other than lying about who she was meeting
up with and again not victim blaming, she is doing
everything right in this situation, and she's like a very
emotionally sensitive and like, that's not what I'm interested in.
I would just like to keep the topic on this. So,
I mean, I admire her for putting herself out there,
especially living in a small town that yeah, that size,
(24:54):
and trying to find like other people close to your age.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Like, listen, it's hard to make friends in a small
town as an adult. I can't imagine as a child.
All right, Oh oh, my kids only have friends that
I make them be friends with. So I mean in school,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, hard the good thing she had a really weird
Canadian on the internet.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Guys, I meet people online all the time. On November
twenty seventh, Cody suggested that they meet up and have
a drink. Lauren conceded, requesting a chocolate mud slide, again, saying,
oh my god, fifteen, I was not in Like I
wanted to drink, but I'm not going to like do
(25:40):
shots of fucking tequila give me the girl, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Or the mickey of vodka on the swing set like no,
thank you?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah no. My drink of choice was hypnotic, tasted like
kool aid, fucking delicious. Lauren also suggested they meet at
her high school this was a public area and spot
that she felt comfortable. Cody's purchase records show that he
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left the liquor store around eight twenty pm, and then
he showed up to meet with Lauren. This would be
the last time Lauren was seen or heard from. Based
on the blood found in Cody's truck, it is believed
that Lauren was brought from the school to the remote
area up to the up the logging road and killed
(26:28):
the theyre then Cody made the rushed exit where he
was pulled over by the two officers. After the discovery
of Lauren Leslie's body at the head of our story,
Cody was moved from being held temporarily to being arrested
for the murder of the not yet identified woman and sadly,
(26:49):
she wasn't even a woman, just a sweet fifteen year
old girl. Police searched Cody's apartment and truck, gathering three
thousand and pages worth of forensic evidence to use against him.
They also interviewed all the people in his life who
had regular interactions with him and were able to paint
(27:10):
a picture of who he really was to use a trial.
There are some inconsistencies with trial dates and what not
in Cody's case, but according to court off Canada dot Ca,
his trial didn't start until August of twenty fourteen, so
he just waited in jail for about four years.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, That was the part I struggled with the most,
And I know I mentioned it in part one, but
there's a lot of inconsistent dates like across the board,
even like when he met and these women were found
or when they were reported missing. I don't know what
Canada is doing with their I'm sure you looked at
the resources and stuff too, Like I just I found
(27:52):
a different date in every documentary I watched or every
article I read.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, I think unfortunately like things like this, even, which
is why we try to gather the most consistent data.
But even people in podcasts, if they say the wrong
thing and don't correct you true, and then people use
that as a source.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Of the resource.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Like yeah, just because everyone's spreading so much information, we
are we try not to be, but podcasts in general
are for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Part of them. But listen, the ultimate goal is the story,
so we're bringing you the story exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And also we usually tell you when we don't fucking
know if this is right or not. I'll take it
with the Great assault anyway. At Google, Cody Ledgbakov took
the stand on August twenty sixth, twenty fourteen. We think
his initial story was to just play dumb. He knew
(28:55):
nothing about Laura, never saw a body. It was all
deer blood on him in his car. Her belonging were
just found by him, and he wanted to turn them
into the police.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh, such a good citizen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
When confronted with questions about the murder of Natasha Montgomery,
Jill Stachenko, Yes, and Cynthia Mass and the DNA in
his home, he said they were targets of a drug lord.
They apparently owned this mystery man a lot of money
for cocaine and had been killed. He referred to this
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mystery drug lord as X and said that he and
two other accomplices that he referred to as Y and
Z were tasked with getting rid of the.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Bodies normal Tuesday night.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know he watched too many fucking movies.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Let me tell you listen. We told you guys that
it was gonna get worse. Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
When his dear story wasn't working out because Lauren Leslie's
DNA was in his vehicle, he changed it, telling the
jury and family members of these victims that he and
Lauren had met up for a drink, that they had
been talking about their interests in lives when she just
flipped out. Cody said, Lauren pulled out a knife and
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began stabbing herself. He said she was so badly injured
that he couldn't handle it anymore, and so we hit
her on the head with a pipe bridge to put
her out of her misery.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Is that not the stupidest thing you've ever heard? Like
the doors The dear story not door story in part
one was stupid, where you know you shot it, chased it,
and then beat it to death because you wanted to
put it out of its misery. You're going to put
anything out of its misery. You're sorry, You're just an ass.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You seem like you like the dorture aspect actually, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You seem like you need to be in prison for
a very long time.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Luckily, the jury didn't by his stories, and on September eleventh,
he was found guilty on all four counts and sentenced
to life in prison without the possibility of parole for
twenty five years per Canadian law.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And I forgot to mention that it is just as
rare in Canada to have a life sentence or a
first degree sentence without a body. And in the case
of Natasha Montgomery, yeah, the blood evidence at his house
showed that it was very clear with that amount of
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blue light right that she could have possibly made it
out of their alive, but they still haven't found herself.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Cody did appeal his sentence in twenty sixteen, but it
was denied. Psychologists who examined Cody speculated that his crimes
were motivated by a desire for power and control. Targeting
women who were already in a vulnerable situation gave him
that much more power and confidence in comitting the crime,
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and that no one would be looking for them either.
They also noted his apparent lack of empathy, as he
showed little remorse for his actions and changed his story
several times. I have to say I disagree with the
lack of empathy only because, let me explain, I think
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that some of these people who like lie and change
their stories all the time, they don't have a lack
of empathy. They just can't handle what they did, so
they changed their story to make themselves feel better. I
think he believes his lies on a surface level because
he knows subconsciously that if he doesn't convince himself he
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didn't do it, he won't be able to live with himself.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I feel
like I feel like he's the kind of person who's like,
I didn't do it. I couldn't have done it, because
if he finally admits that he did it, he'll probably
kill himself like that. He's yeah, not because because because
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how do I put this?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And if you look at the heavy drug use on
his part too, like I think that could be an
escape as well.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how to put this without
being offensive to others.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I know exactly what you're trying to say, which is
why I'm so interested by what you were saying. But
I know what you mean. It's like a a delicate
dance because we are always victim first. Cody is.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
A wanker. Cody is a wanker. Okay, I don't like
the P word, but that's what Cody is, all right.
He is the opposite of an alpha male. I'll tell
you that if alpha male was a good thing, he
probably actually is an alpha male. You know, the ones
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who say they're alpham like.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
He's like a beta al.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He's doing these things to feel strong because he feels weak.
It's what I'm getting at. Yes, yeah, yes, he's a fragile,
little fucking child boy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Okay, I would really like to see Sierra on the
panel for like forensic psychology, just like identify this man
and then give this explanation. We'd get there eventually. Yeah,
for sure, I like it. We both also recently watched Slash,
are currently watching ted Lasso. Yeah, it's interesting or if
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anyone is interested in that and why Sierra is just
pulling British slang out of pross.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I hate the peboard. Okay, we all know what pebird
I'm talking about. I just think it sounds nasty and
it makes me happy that over there in England they
say wanker instead. But it means the same thing, right,
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I mean basically, except they're using male genitalia instead of
female genitalia and I like that better. So anyway, it's
not as gross to me. So police in this case
are certain that there are more victims out there that
will eventually be tied to Cody, and without Lauren being discovered,
without constable Keller being in the right place at the
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right time, Cody would have likely continued living his double
life and brutalizing more women that he thought would never
have been missed, looked for, or tied to him. Like
so many other serial killers, Cody took advantage of the
Highway of Tears. For seven hundred and twenty kilometers. There
is an hour drive time between every little town, but
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it's pitch black. The bodies of the women taken along
this highway are usually not found for a very long
time after being reported missing, if at all. There are
signs all along this highway with missing notifications and notes
for women to stay safe. So we urge all of
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you to stay safe and trust your gut, and hopefully
you enjoyed this very recent, sort of still ongoing serial
killer case.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I am glad I decided to switch gears and cover
this one because I think that the Highway of Tears
is an avenue that we both decided that we wanted
to dive down, and this is like our toe in the.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Water of the books.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I know, I have a book too. We got
so much stuff, guys, that we want to present, and
I think, like, yes, it highlights cases that need more
attention because usually they're marginalized, like instances of missing and
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murdered Indigenous women, primarily especially along the Highway of Tears.
But also it just I don't know, I feel like
the more people that know about it, the more people
are alert when they're like it's so remote, like I've
given this highway it's haunting, like it's just woods and
(37:25):
woods and woods and road for days, like it's yeah. So,
And I mean, I don't think Cody Lechbakov himself. I
like sears antecdote of him being a wanker, but I
just I don't think he's somebody that can be rehabilitated.
(37:48):
Like I think that he just has those evil impulses
when it came to animals, when it comes to women,
when it just like I think if he was out,
he hurt more people, and I think he's hurt more
than four people.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I think he's hurt more than four as well.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So I'm hoping that he was as sloppy in the
rest of his potential crimes as he was with these,
because then that means that we can close more cases.
But at the same time, it just makes me really sad.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, seeing that it was twenty fourteen and they have
been through his house and car, doesn't seem like they're
getting any more DNA that way. But I'm sure his
DNA is now in the system and slowly.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah unfold Like Jill, his DNA was all over that scene.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
More rape kits and stuff get sent in for testing
and all that. I'm sure I'm sure his DNA will
be found.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, so here's hoping for I guess more justice. But
at the same time, scary. And I will say that
my really good friend, my best gay as I've affectionately
referred to him as, he's fine with it. Jason is
born and raised in Fort Saint John, which is very
close to Fort Saint James, which is where Cody is from.
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And they were born in the same year, so they
actually went to the same high school for probably six
months before Cody moved to Prince George.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Jeez.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, he didn't have anything to say on that, but
he was just like, I know that name because I
texted him. I was like, he, yeah, this is fifteen
minutes away. They probably only have one high school for
those two subsidies and lo and behold that is correct,
and if you guys, have any case suggestions or you know,
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lesser known maybe coming together serial killers let us know,
because sometimes it's nice to not just give you a
list of victims, yeah, and actually dig into the story.
So do you have anything fun and happening and going
on before we roll on out of here? Keep it
brief because you got to tell me fun things here
and a bit.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I do need to tell you fun things here in
a minute.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
We're recording Bitch and Wine after this, guys.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No, I mean not that there aren't fun things, just
that I can't specifically think of one, you know, specific
fun thing that isn't a bigger fun thing that's going
to be I'll have a bitch and Wine.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
So come hang out with us on beat.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Oh I had I do have one fun thing.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I found this girl on Pinterest, not Pinterest, Etsy today.
Oh and I want to shout her out, I guess
because this is super cool. It is a twenty twenty
five bucket list calendar that you can buy on Etsy.
Every month has a different list of things that you
(41:03):
do for that month. So, for instance, one of the
januaries that I am planning on doing because it's super cool,
is start a my favorite part of today journal. Oh
and every single month has different things. Anyway. A bucket
list calendar is super awesome, sounds amazing, great idea made
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by Brooklyn Swenson b r o O k l y
N sw e N s O N. They're like thirty
five bucks.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
But there's though, yeah, and it's something you can use
for the whole year. I will only hat in the
show notes for you guys that actually go to those
we appreciate you, And uh yeah, that does sound really neat.
I got a new planner, as I do every Christmas,
and I'm always super into finding a new way to
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appreciate the new year. And much like this bucket list
calendar and my favorite part about today, I'm trying to
spin things positively with for every negative thing that I
admit or acknowledge, I'm trying to counter it with like
one positive thing. Nice to just be like, yeah, today
fucking sucked, but I get to work with Robin, you know,
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like yeah, so that's my little spin on that. And
something that I'm positive about and things that I'm looking
forward to are me and Sierra have lots of fun
stuff for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
That fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
And we love you guys so so much. We will
see you next week for my episode to be decided
on topic, and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Keep it tis twisted.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
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Tuesday for a brand new episode.
Hello, Twisted Humans.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult or haunting than this is.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The podcast for you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hello, and welcome to episode one eighty three, Part two
of your favorite podcast. When we left off in part one,
we had just talked about Natasha Montgomery, a twenty three
year old mother of two. Sadly, Cody would continue taking
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beautiful women from the world too soon before his arrest
in November of twenty ten. But before we get into
all of that in this part two of our coverage, Alicia,
do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I do. It was the first fun fact that I
saw when I mad scrolled through the eight hundred and
fifty three hard to Believe facts, Okay, and I have
learned that I am the opposite of a kangaroo. Kangaroos
are capable of living for several months without drinking a
(01:27):
drop of water, same should they desperately need some. Kangaroos
dig wells in like the ground over a meter deep
to be able to access water.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Same as in I'm the same as you, the opposite
of a kangaroo because fuck.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That and another fuck okay, So there's like three kangaroo
facts in a row, and I'm actually terrified of kangaroos
now I've learned that they can get up to seven
feet all fuck that noise. Have you ever seen a
kangaroo with mussels? No? So, if a kangaroo was chased
(02:07):
by a dog close to a lake or river, it
might jump in the water for safety, and if the
dog follows them, they'll try and drown the dog. Kangaroos
are not okay.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Did we walk through the kingaro exhibit when we went
to the cincinat Yes, Yeah, And it was.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Like midday, so they were all kind of like laying
down and chilling, which I'm kind of glad.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
For the last time I went there. One of the
males was trying to forcibly be on top of one
of the females. It was awkward.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I'm standing by this. Came Dicks.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
What time of the year was it? Was it like
end of something?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Because I say that because as soon as we left
out of the kangaroo exhibit, we went to the penguin
exhibit and two penguins weren't for sure mating and my
nephew Ev We were like, look, they're wrestling because he
loves wrestling. Yeah, it was for sure mating season up
in there. Okay, oh my god. Kangaroos are scary. I
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don't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah. The hole that they can get up to seven
feet tall thing, I was like, that's taller than people.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Kangaroos sound like the like alpha males of like like
human men who call themselves alpha males. That's what I
feel like. Kangaroos are totally with my.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just gonna look and be like, wait, how many listeners
do we still have in Australia Before I get some angry,
they're still They're Rocket number three still, So just know
we love you highly. No disrespect to kangaroo, but they.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Probably also feel the same way about kangaroos. They got
to deal their ship a day.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Right, they gotta deal with them rounding their dogs.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Fuck up, I'm just saying and fighting for no reason,
the alpha male of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
What's your fu? Fuck?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
My fun fact I learned while listening to tennis podcasts
today their newest episode. So Hurricanes were first given names
in the United States in nineteen fifty three, and they
were only female names for the first twenty five years.
(04:33):
Oh shit, only female names for hurricanes until nineteen seventy
eight when they started alternating male and female names. And
now why is that?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Is it like a mother nature thing or.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, I am going to assume that in nineteen fifty
three it was more of a women cause chaos thing.
Oh yeah, because this is America.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, but I shouldn't have stayed not trade exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So now they alternate between male and female every year,
and there are actually seven lists that they use, so
every seven years they reuse the same names, and less
know that the storm is super deadly or super costly,
then they'll retire that name. One of the retired names
is Alicia.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh shit, my apologies, but all Alicia is including that
hurricane because in the eighteen hundreds it's fine. Is there
a Siero one? No?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I checked?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Damn. Yeah, you're like more of a peaceful soul.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Though, So a lot of hurricanes don't get to the
end of the alphabet, like, there's usually not that many
in a season. A is the first one they go
in off that order. Okay, there's always at least one.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hopefully that's the last Alicia because that's not what we
want to be known about over heres.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well it's retired, so never again.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
There we go. We're set. And speaking of not being
set and not anything to do with what Sierra just said,
I'm just I can make it.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Wait, I got this, I got this.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So, speaking of hurricanes, I have a in my new
house that I just bought, a storm shelter. It's like underground.
It's like a pod that you can like sit in,
and we definitely plan on having hurricane parties down there.
And uh with drinks. Tell me a drink we could
drink in a hurricane party.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, uh, the chaos that my husband caused is definitely
a hurricane in itself. So I made a white wine
cranberry pear thingria. Not used a lot of pairs in
our thing rea history, And honestly, I don't eat a
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lot of pears, and I don't know why I really
like them every single time I buy them. So that said,
I made this cingria, which I'm going to tell you
about it in a second, but it comes to the story.
So I don't partake in witchy activity as often as
I would like to because I'm just busy and I'm
(07:23):
forgetful and a little ball of chaos myself. However, I
did this year. I did two simmer pots and one
of them had pairs in them. So I had a
mason jar made of this cingria in the fridge and
Kevin thought it was like old simmer pot and dumped
(07:47):
it out, Kevin Ken, not you, Kevin. And speaking of Kevin,
Sierra was on our friend Kevin's show From Where the
Weird Ones Are, and that released the day that we
are recording this tomorrow, so January eighth. So go back
in time a little bit and listen to that episode. Yes, okay,
(08:10):
So this angria back to that and communication. So it
is sliced pears, and you could do either fresh or
frozen cranberries. And then I was feeling so bold because
I still had a little bit of the ginger simple
syrup from the red wine s angria that we did before,
so I was like, eh, fuck it, pear, cranberries, ginger
(08:34):
sure or whatever, mix it in there. It was. It
actually worked with the white wine. It actually worked the
time that I mixed mint and something else fucking weird,
and you were like, why would you do that? Sometimes
it works, sometimes it works, but that's okay, So we
forgive Kevin for that, and I got wine.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Still, I am just drinking water today.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Good for you. Water is good. I should have had
more of it. Yesterday I did two hours of Hot
Bodies and yoga and I could barely walk.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I have had a kink creek, you know whatever it's
called my neck since Sunday, and I feel like I'm dying.
I went to the gym on Monday anyway because I
was like, it's fine, I just won't mess with it.
And the first half of the workout I was fine.
The second half we were supposed to do these weird
(09:30):
pull up thingies, and I specifically asked the lady. I
was like, listen, this hurts right here. How can I
do this without hurting. She's like, oh, it's fine, just
just do this part. You'll be good. As soon as
I got up there, I heard like a crunch and
I was like, I'm leaving now. These fucking words so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So I lied to me.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But yeah, I'm thinking about going tomorrow. I can almost
turn my head all the way, so that's awe. Yeah,
it's weird to drive because I have to turn my
body instead of my neck, like this one's fine. This
way not so much.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh and I heard that once you get like one
kink in your neck, we sound eight hundred, you get
multiple kinks. Like it's like more prone to happen. It's
like slipping a rib, which I've done multiple times. Yeah,
once it happens once, it can happen a couple of times. See.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What pisses me off the most about it is that
for the past like two weeks, I have been sleeping
in a way that is not that I know is
not the way I usually sleep. Ever since our vacation.
We came back and in my bed, I'm like, something's wrong.
My pillow is wrong somehow, this isn't the way it's
usually stacked, Like, I'm not sleeping correctly. And so Saturday
(10:45):
night I finally got it. Slaying down, I was like,
this is it. I got my pillows right. Sunday morning,
I woke up with this and I was like, oh, apparently
my body doesn't like that way of sleeping anymore. So
I got my pill is right, and it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Unfortunately, I told that's the most relatable standard ever. And
I've heard somebody told me that you have to replace
your pillows every six months. I'm like, ma'am, who has
the money or the fucking time. I haven't replaced my
pillows in at least a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I haven't replaced my pillows. I don't know. I've had
these the whole time we lived in the Tennessee apartment.
That's like five years. I just replaced pillow every other day. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, that's yeah. See, I feel like that's normal. Somebody
was like, no, you're supposed to replace your pillow, and
I was like, I bought a memory foam pillow, memory
dollar pillow, Like why would I replace that every day?
It's supposed to remember? I hate but it is, So
I'm like, that's playoff. But my point to that being
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somebody told me that if you start getting neckkinks, that
means it's time to replace your pillow.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And I was like, well, I was cleaning my garage
and I found in the attic an entire bag of
brand new pillows. So bus I'll pull one of those
puppies out.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Bonus. Yeah, speaking of bonuses, if you would like to
hear about Sira's new house, you gotta come join us
over on Patreon.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes, all right, we are going to get right back
into this terrible, awful serial killer case. But first we
are going to hear a quick promo from Beyond the Shadows.
All right, I think I hacked in. We're on the air.
Security is outside, But how's my hair?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a re huge stations.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You guys hear about the Beyond the Shadows podcast with
Ryan and Scott.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You guys into pair normal?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What about your cryme? How about UFOs and cryptids? We
also have mad hauntings.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
We got security? No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
We're not enough to need it yet. No security. Hey,
what are you guys doing? Get out of here.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Listens podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, we are going back to September of twenty ten
when the sorry, when Natasha Montgomery was reported missing. Cynthia
Mass thirty five, had last been seen on the tenth
of that month and was reported missing on the twenty third.
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She was an Indigenous woman and described as incredibly sweet
and trusting, a bit of a hippie type. Cynthia, like
the others, had also suffered from a drug addiction, but
was in the process of getting clean. She made efforts
to check in regularly with friends and family, and was
attending AA and NA meetings, but when she was last seen,
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her family was worried that she may have relapsed. Cynthia
also engaged in sex work previously to offset the cost
of her addiction, and her family was particularly worried about
her being in this lifestyle due to an undisclosed disability,
in which her family stated she was mentally more vulnerable
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than other women her age. Cynthia's family had known something
was off, but after nearly two weeks they filed a
missing person's report. She wouldn't go that long without talking
to someone. Her only goal at the time of her
disappearance was to get custody of her young daughter again
after she was taken away due to the addiction. Given
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where she was at the time of her disappearance, it
is not completely clear how Cody and Cynthia would have
crossed paths, but Prince George isn't a very large town,
and tragically, her body would be found on October ninth
in L C. Go Park in Prince George during a
police search for her. She was lying just tucked behind
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the tree line of the park. Her pants had been
pulled down, and she had suffered blunt force trauma and
a number of stabbings. The autopsy report stated her injuries
were consistent with someone violently stomping on her.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's fucking awful.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It's so bad, and.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like we always like to say that these people
are so much more than their addictions, and it's extra
sad to me when somebody's literally on the precipice of
trying to pull their life together and then somebody like
fucking Cody comes along.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah wreck. Evidence tying Cody to Cynthia included a
sock found in his apartment and an axe in the
corner of his room, both containing traces of her DNA
on them. An axe an acts what the.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Fuckoh sir again? Lexier said in part one, how dirty
is your house?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Seriously? Why do you have a.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Reorder? Yeah? Thank you for being dumb, but also you're disgusting.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Disgusting. Now this brings us back to the beginning of
our story on November twenty seven, twenty ten, when the
body of a young woman is found due to police
pulling Cody over for driving erradically and following the literal
blood trail he left behind. That young woman would be
identified as fifteen year old Lauren don Leslie, the girl
(16:43):
from the ID found in the monkey backpack in Cody's truck.
Lauren was the daughter of Doug and Donna Leslie, a
divorced pair who had mastered co parenting amicably for the
sake of Lauren, who handled all of it very well.
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Lauren was born with a genetic condition that made her
legally blind. She had no vision in one eye and
about fifty percent in the other, but she never let
that get in the way of what she wanted to do.
At the time of her murder, she was in the
tenth grade. She was incredibly smart and described as caring
and compassionate. She had always loved people and was very
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empathetic towards major public issues that most girls her age
probably could care less about. All her life growing up,
her goal was to do something to help others. Lauren
was also affectionately called a water baby. She loved just
being in the water, swimming, boating, tubing, you name it,
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she'd do it. Lauren was also very adventurous and could
be known to push her boundaries, as all fifteen year
olds are wont to do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On November twenty seventh, twenty ten, she had spent most
of the day with her mom and around eight pm.
She told her mom she was going to meet with
a girlfriend of hers for coffee. Her mom agreed, all
was good there, but she wasn't actually going to meet
a girlfriend. She was going to meet a guy that
she had been chatting with online. Listen moms, all of
(18:29):
the red flags. Number one, your fifteen year old should
not drink coffee at eight pm, Okay, And I was
number one something I would do. But also I would
beat my child, not literally, but still how Yeah, oh
my god, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And like not blaming her parents at all, but like
or her for that matter, But it's like, I respect
and admire Sierrah's avenue of having relationships with their kids
because you and what the relationship I had with my family.
Most of the time, you don't want your kids to
(19:11):
lie to you, Like it's better to like know you're
doing something fucked up, but at least know that you
have a safe avenue or a safe person to go to.
And when you don't really know what your kid is
doing and stuff like this happens, it's just so scary.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I am the way I am with my children
because I was this kid. I was the Lauren Leslie
I did not tell my parents fucking anything I was doing.
I lied all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I had coffee at eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have said coffee because my parents
would have said no to coffee. But I one hundred
percent would fill my backpack full of jingling alcohol bottles
and say I'm going for a walk and then go
drink behind the freaking target and see UFOs in the sky.
Like that happened all the time, the UFOs once, but
(20:05):
drinking behind target all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay, I was literally just gonna say no. Definitely, the
UFOs everything. That's why she hosts this podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
That's what happened. Also, Adderall is bad.
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Oh well, I don't know. I don't know. Somebody will
ask me if I should be taking adderall, so maybe,
oh yeah, I just I just would like to. And
I know that we have like a younger listener group,
like not necessarily sixteen fifteen, but I'm like seventeen to
twenty one is in there, and I'm like, listen.
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To your parents, okay, please.
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Speaker 3 (22:44):
We'll see you there. Because Lauren was from a small
town and many of her friends lived in different towns,
she spent a lot of time chatting with them online
and in the process meeting new people Lauren and co
had met a few weeks prior on nex Sophia, Alicia
(23:04):
mentioned this site when she covered the Richardson family murders.
This is how Jasmine and her Werewolf's boyfriend had met.
It was like my Space, but only for Canada. Cody's
user name was one country Boy and Lauren's was bathe sheep. Yeah,
(23:27):
bath sheep.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Somebody's seen that the sheep in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That I oh, it's ba the sheep. Like even I
got it the sheep?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh my god, where all she here? Cira's got it
all right sheep? Save Bob. Yeah. See you and Lauren
same same.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It was very clear they had very different intentions and
reasons for talking to each other, though. When Lauren was
just being polite and meeting new people, all of Cody's
messages were suggestive and sometimes even aggressively sexual, asking her
what positions she liked. Jesus, Lauren made efforts to change
(24:14):
the topic every time this happened. She knew that Cody
was twenty and would continually remind him that she was
fifteen and just wanted to be friends. So it's not
like she lied about her age. Okay, yeah, she's like,
I'm fucking fifteen, dude.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean, other than lying about who she was meeting
up with and again not victim blaming, she is doing
everything right in this situation, and she's like a very
emotionally sensitive and like, that's not what I'm interested in.
I would just like to keep the topic on this. So,
I mean, I admire her for putting herself out there,
especially living in a small town that yeah, that size,
(24:54):
and trying to find like other people close to your age.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Like, listen, it's hard to make friends in a small
town as an adult. I can't imagine as a child.
All right, Oh oh, my kids only have friends that
I make them be friends with. So I mean in school,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, hard the good thing she had a really weird
Canadian on the internet.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Guys, I meet people online all the time. On November
twenty seventh, Cody suggested that they meet up and have
a drink. Lauren conceded, requesting a chocolate mud slide, again, saying,
oh my god, fifteen, I was not in Like I
wanted to drink, but I'm not going to like do
(25:40):
shots of fucking tequila give me the girl, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Or the mickey of vodka on the swing set like no,
thank you?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah no. My drink of choice was hypnotic, tasted like
kool aid, fucking delicious. Lauren also suggested they meet at
her high school this was a public area and spot
that she felt comfortable. Cody's purchase records show that he
(26:06):
left the liquor store around eight twenty pm, and then
he showed up to meet with Lauren. This would be
the last time Lauren was seen or heard from. Based
on the blood found in Cody's truck, it is believed
that Lauren was brought from the school to the remote
area up to the up the logging road and killed
(26:28):
the theyre then Cody made the rushed exit where he
was pulled over by the two officers. After the discovery
of Lauren Leslie's body at the head of our story,
Cody was moved from being held temporarily to being arrested
for the murder of the not yet identified woman and sadly,
(26:49):
she wasn't even a woman, just a sweet fifteen year
old girl. Police searched Cody's apartment and truck, gathering three
thousand and pages worth of forensic evidence to use against him.
They also interviewed all the people in his life who
had regular interactions with him and were able to paint
(27:10):
a picture of who he really was to use a trial.
There are some inconsistencies with trial dates and what not
in Cody's case, but according to court off Canada dot Ca,
his trial didn't start until August of twenty fourteen, so
he just waited in jail for about four years.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, That was the part I struggled with the most,
And I know I mentioned it in part one, but
there's a lot of inconsistent dates like across the board,
even like when he met and these women were found
or when they were reported missing. I don't know what
Canada is doing with their I'm sure you looked at
the resources and stuff too, Like I just I found
(27:52):
a different date in every documentary I watched or every
article I read.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, I think unfortunately like things like this, even, which
is why we try to gather the most consistent data.
But even people in podcasts, if they say the wrong
thing and don't correct you true, and then people use
that as a source.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Of the resource.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Like yeah, just because everyone's spreading so much information, we
are we try not to be, but podcasts in general
are for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Part of them. But listen, the ultimate goal is the story,
so we're bringing you the story exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And also we usually tell you when we don't fucking
know if this is right or not. I'll take it
with the Great assault anyway. At Google, Cody Ledgbakov took
the stand on August twenty sixth, twenty fourteen. We think
his initial story was to just play dumb. He knew
(28:55):
nothing about Laura, never saw a body. It was all
deer blood on him in his car. Her belonging were
just found by him, and he wanted to turn them
into the police.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh, such a good citizen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
When confronted with questions about the murder of Natasha Montgomery,
Jill Stachenko, Yes, and Cynthia Mass and the DNA in
his home, he said they were targets of a drug lord.
They apparently owned this mystery man a lot of money
for cocaine and had been killed. He referred to this
(29:30):
mystery drug lord as X and said that he and
two other accomplices that he referred to as Y and
Z were tasked with getting rid of the.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Bodies normal Tuesday night.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know he watched too many fucking movies.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Let me tell you listen. We told you guys that
it was gonna get worse. Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
When his dear story wasn't working out because Lauren Leslie's
DNA was in his vehicle, he changed it, telling the
jury and family members of these victims that he and
Lauren had met up for a drink, that they had
been talking about their interests in lives when she just
flipped out. Cody said, Lauren pulled out a knife and
(30:14):
began stabbing herself. He said she was so badly injured
that he couldn't handle it anymore, and so we hit
her on the head with a pipe bridge to put
her out of her misery.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Is that not the stupidest thing you've ever heard? Like
the doors The dear story not door story in part
one was stupid, where you know you shot it, chased it,
and then beat it to death because you wanted to
put it out of its misery. You're going to put
anything out of its misery. You're sorry, You're just an ass.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You seem like you like the dorture aspect actually, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You seem like you need to be in prison for
a very long time.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Luckily, the jury didn't by his stories, and on September eleventh,
he was found guilty on all four counts and sentenced
to life in prison without the possibility of parole for
twenty five years per Canadian law.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And I forgot to mention that it is just as
rare in Canada to have a life sentence or a
first degree sentence without a body. And in the case
of Natasha Montgomery, yeah, the blood evidence at his house
showed that it was very clear with that amount of
(31:33):
blue light right that she could have possibly made it
out of their alive, but they still haven't found herself.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Cody did appeal his sentence in twenty sixteen, but it
was denied. Psychologists who examined Cody speculated that his crimes
were motivated by a desire for power and control. Targeting
women who were already in a vulnerable situation gave him
that much more power and confidence in comitting the crime,
(32:01):
and that no one would be looking for them either.
They also noted his apparent lack of empathy, as he
showed little remorse for his actions and changed his story
several times. I have to say I disagree with the
lack of empathy only because, let me explain, I think
(32:22):
that some of these people who like lie and change
their stories all the time, they don't have a lack
of empathy. They just can't handle what they did, so
they changed their story to make themselves feel better. I
think he believes his lies on a surface level because
he knows subconsciously that if he doesn't convince himself he
(32:43):
didn't do it, he won't be able to live with himself.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I feel
like I feel like he's the kind of person who's like,
I didn't do it. I couldn't have done it, because
if he finally admits that he did it, he'll probably
kill himself like that. He's yeah, not because because because
(33:08):
how do I put this?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And if you look at the heavy drug use on
his part too, like I think that could be an
escape as well.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how to put this without
being offensive to others.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I know exactly what you're trying to say, which is
why I'm so interested by what you were saying. But
I know what you mean. It's like a a delicate
dance because we are always victim first. Cody is.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
A wanker. Cody is a wanker. Okay, I don't like
the P word, but that's what Cody is, all right.
He is the opposite of an alpha male. I'll tell
you that if alpha male was a good thing, he
probably actually is an alpha male. You know, the ones
(34:00):
who say they're alpham like.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
He's like a beta al.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He's doing these things to feel strong because he feels weak.
It's what I'm getting at. Yes, yeah, yes, he's a fragile,
little fucking child boy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Okay, I would really like to see Sierra on the
panel for like forensic psychology, just like identify this man
and then give this explanation. We'd get there eventually. Yeah,
for sure, I like it. We both also recently watched Slash,
are currently watching ted Lasso. Yeah, it's interesting or if
(34:40):
anyone is interested in that and why Sierra is just
pulling British slang out of pross.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I hate the peboard. Okay, we all know what pebird
I'm talking about. I just think it sounds nasty and
it makes me happy that over there in England they
say wanker instead. But it means the same thing, right,
(35:06):
I mean basically, except they're using male genitalia instead of
female genitalia and I like that better. So anyway, it's
not as gross to me. So police in this case
are certain that there are more victims out there that
will eventually be tied to Cody, and without Lauren being discovered,
without constable Keller being in the right place at the
(35:28):
right time, Cody would have likely continued living his double
life and brutalizing more women that he thought would never
have been missed, looked for, or tied to him. Like
so many other serial killers, Cody took advantage of the
Highway of Tears. For seven hundred and twenty kilometers. There
is an hour drive time between every little town, but
(35:50):
it's pitch black. The bodies of the women taken along
this highway are usually not found for a very long
time after being reported missing, if at all. There are
signs all along this highway with missing notifications and notes
for women to stay safe. So we urge all of
(36:12):
you to stay safe and trust your gut, and hopefully
you enjoyed this very recent, sort of still ongoing serial
killer case.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I am glad I decided to switch gears and cover
this one because I think that the Highway of Tears
is an avenue that we both decided that we wanted
to dive down, and this is like our toe in the.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Water of the books.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I know, I have a book too. We got
so much stuff, guys, that we want to present, and
I think, like, yes, it highlights cases that need more
attention because usually they're marginalized, like instances of missing and
(37:02):
murdered Indigenous women, primarily especially along the Highway of Tears.
But also it just I don't know, I feel like
the more people that know about it, the more people
are alert when they're like it's so remote, like I've
given this highway it's haunting, like it's just woods and
(37:25):
woods and woods and road for days, like it's yeah. So,
And I mean, I don't think Cody Lechbakov himself. I
like sears antecdote of him being a wanker, but I
just I don't think he's somebody that can be rehabilitated.
(37:48):
Like I think that he just has those evil impulses
when it came to animals, when it comes to women,
when it just like I think if he was out,
he hurt more people, and I think he's hurt more
than four people.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I think he's hurt more than four as well.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So I'm hoping that he was as sloppy in the
rest of his potential crimes as he was with these,
because then that means that we can close more cases.
But at the same time, it just makes me really sad.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, seeing that it was twenty fourteen and they have
been through his house and car, doesn't seem like they're
getting any more DNA that way. But I'm sure his
DNA is now in the system and slowly.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah unfold Like Jill, his DNA was all over that scene.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
More rape kits and stuff get sent in for testing
and all that. I'm sure I'm sure his DNA will
be found.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, so here's hoping for I guess more justice. But
at the same time, scary. And I will say that
my really good friend, my best gay as I've affectionately
referred to him as, he's fine with it. Jason is
born and raised in Fort Saint John, which is very
close to Fort Saint James, which is where Cody is from.
(39:17):
And they were born in the same year, so they
actually went to the same high school for probably six
months before Cody moved to Prince George.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Jeez.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, he didn't have anything to say on that, but
he was just like, I know that name because I
texted him. I was like, he, yeah, this is fifteen
minutes away. They probably only have one high school for
those two subsidies and lo and behold that is correct,
and if you guys, have any case suggestions or you know,
(39:55):
lesser known maybe coming together serial killers let us know,
because sometimes it's nice to not just give you a
list of victims, yeah, and actually dig into the story.
So do you have anything fun and happening and going
on before we roll on out of here? Keep it
brief because you got to tell me fun things here
and a bit.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I do need to tell you fun things here in
a minute.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
We're recording Bitch and Wine after this, guys.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No, I mean not that there aren't fun things, just
that I can't specifically think of one, you know, specific
fun thing that isn't a bigger fun thing that's going
to be I'll have a bitch and Wine.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
So come hang out with us on beat.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Oh I had I do have one fun thing.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I found this girl on Pinterest, not Pinterest, Etsy today.
Oh and I want to shout her out, I guess
because this is super cool. It is a twenty twenty
five bucket list calendar that you can buy on Etsy.
Every month has a different list of things that you
(41:03):
do for that month. So, for instance, one of the
januaries that I am planning on doing because it's super cool,
is start a my favorite part of today journal. Oh
and every single month has different things. Anyway. A bucket
list calendar is super awesome, sounds amazing, great idea made
(41:25):
by Brooklyn Swenson b r o O k l y
N sw e N s O N. They're like thirty
five bucks.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
But there's though, yeah, and it's something you can use
for the whole year. I will only hat in the
show notes for you guys that actually go to those
we appreciate you, And uh yeah, that does sound really neat.
I got a new planner, as I do every Christmas,
and I'm always super into finding a new way to
(41:57):
appreciate the new year. And much like this bucket list
calendar and my favorite part about today, I'm trying to
spin things positively with for every negative thing that I
admit or acknowledge, I'm trying to counter it with like
one positive thing. Nice to just be like, yeah, today
fucking sucked, but I get to work with Robin, you know,
(42:20):
like yeah, so that's my little spin on that. And
something that I'm positive about and things that I'm looking
forward to are me and Sierra have lots of fun
stuff for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
That fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
And we love you guys so so much. We will
see you next week for my episode to be decided
on topic, and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Keep it tis twisted.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
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