June 17, 2025 • 62 mins
Welcome to the 200th episode of Twisted and Uncorked! We’re celebrating over four years of twisted tales, cocktails, and true crime community with one of the most highly requested cases: Charles Manson and the Tate-LaBianca murders. Is it a cult story or a serial killer saga? We’re diving into Manson’s dark past, from his troubled childhood to his rise as a manipulative cult leader, and the horrifying events that followed. Before the madness, we reflect on our favorite episodes and moments from the show’s journey. Pour yourself a Moscow Mule (virgin-friendly too!) and join us for this milestone episode—because this case, like our podcast, is twisted from the start.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Twisted humans.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you. I'm Alicia and
I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked. Hello, and
welcome to episode two hundred of your favorite podcast. This
is part one of a series that we are going
to be covering for you, and we cannot believe that
(00:32):
we have been in your ears for nearly four years
and two hundred episodes only smokes. We just want to
say thank you guys so much for listening and getting
us to this point. It really does mean the world
to us. And as a thank you, we are bringing
you that series that you have been requesting for a
very long time that we could never quite agree if
(00:54):
it was a cult or a serial killer. But before
we get into that, we have to talk about fun facts. Sierra,
do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I have a fun fact that I have been holding
on to and waiting for the perfect time to tell,
and it's gotta be now. Okay, this is such a
fun fact for me that I learned so the cuckoo bird, right, Okay,
(01:25):
So people, it is a insult, right, to tell somebody
that they're cuckoo. You're cuckoo, you know, But do you
know why people say your cuckoo in relation to the
cuckoo bird? So the use of cuckoo as an insult
often stems from the bird's unnope. Okay, listen, I swear
(01:49):
to God. I googled this recently and it was not
his answer. And that's why I wanted to do a
fun fact because I was gonna say that I don't.
I don't agree with Google, but it has since chain
its answer to agree with.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Me, which therefore goes back to episode one ninety seven,
that we are living in a cult.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Seriously like the algorithm. Maybe I'm the leader of this cult. Actually, yes, you've.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Unofficially started your own cult, so a long time ago, okay,
and it still says it on Merriam Webster.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It literally only doesn't say it on AI. So I
did I started my own cult? Okay? Anyway, Mariam Webster
says that the figurative use of cuckoo, which exists as
an adjective meaning crazy or weak in intellect or common sense,
is a noun for a person described as such, which
(02:43):
is an allusion to the bird's monotonous call. So for
some reason there, you know, when you have a cuckoo
clock the cuckoo cuckoo, when someone tells you you're cuckoo,
they're telling you you're dumb, you're you're great. You just
have a monotonous call. You know, there's nothing going on
(03:04):
up there kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Did you know?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
In a way better use of the word cuckoo as
crazy that cucka birds are fucking natural born serial killers.
Not even joking. Okay, so this is what a cuckoo
bird does. A cucka bird generations. They each bird stalks
(03:28):
out like generations of the birds will stalk another type
of bird, for instance cardinals. All right, this is random bird. Okay,
The cucka bird in that area might be stalking cardinal
while a cucka bird in a different area is stalking
a blue jay. Whatever area they're in, the birds they're stalking,
they evolve for their eggs to look like that bird's eggs.
(03:50):
All right, So again, two different cuckar birds. One's eggs
can look like cardinal eggs, the other's eggs can look
like blue jay's eggs. It's just what they're generational line
has been stalking this whole time, the cucko bird will
light its egg in the nest of a different bird,
like the cardinal. The cardinal doesn't realize that that's a
(04:13):
cucko bird egg because it looks like a cardinal egg.
When the cuckoo bird hatches, it kills all of the
other eggs babies in that nest so that it is
the only one that survives. And when the cardinal mom
sees that only one of her birds lived and it's
(04:34):
super ugly and a cucko bird, they're like, well, it's
the only thing I have to take care of. I
guess I'll raise it. This just happens generation after generation,
Like what the fuck? How insane? Like when a cuckoo
bird is born, all it knows is kill everything around me,
(04:57):
so I'm the only thing left. They're fucking cuckoo. Those
birds are cuckoo.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I have no words for what you just said. First
of all, I'm deeply upset about this fact because now
all I can think of is murdered baby birds. Yeah,
I know they're just gray matter at that point, but
still really sad, And yes, that is insane. Why, Like,
what is the point the cuckoo bird doesn't that is what.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There has a.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Baby and it's gas another bird mom just taking care
of its baby.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, and then the baby is a serial killer and
grows up one day and does the same thing to
another bird.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That so fucked up, that is so fucked up, Like,
oh my god, I it warms me.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That bothered too. No, I mean, yes, it's crazy, but
it bothers me. That Webster's dictionaries like people are called
crazy because by saying cuckoo because they have a really
annoying birds out. No, that's fucking cuckoo. They're serial killers.
That's the cuckoo bar. Why aren't we talking when people.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Are called crazy? That is the term that's crazy enough
to kill another person? Yeah, you're crazy enough to stock
a bird mom bullying?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, what the what are these birds doing?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know? I thought I had a really good fun
fact for our two hundredth episode, but now I don't
even think I can follow this.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I've been saving this for so long.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I've been saving mine too, And mine actually came from
Kevin Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I was editing one day and he.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Just came into the bedroom and he's like, Babe, do
you know where the term hangover came from? And I
was like, no, Kevin, I do not, and He's like, well,
it started in nineteen hundreds when there was a two
penny hangover practice in the Victorian era of sleeping over
a rope for the night. So when you're they were
(06:59):
so drunk and so poor from having spent all of
their money on booze that they would literally sleep slumped
over a rope or a bench, and it was called
a two penny hangover, and it was a way for
inns and stuff to fill every space that they could
for money. So they would pay their two pennies and
like drunkenly pass out. So that is where the term is.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's great. I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I have personally been very drunk before, but I don't
think I've ever been that drunk that I would sleep
over a rope or a bench like that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, maybe a chair, maybe a bench, but not hung
over it. The hangover part is the part that gets me. Yeah,
I'm not doing all that, Like I feel.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Like that's how you make yourself throw up for one
or two, like all the blood rushes to your face.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, it's just not comfortable. I'd rather lay on the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, right, I'd sleep on the ground. Yeah, one hundred percent.
But anyways, that's where I came from, So I thought
that was interesting. And no hangovers in this department over here,
because we both drink a shit ton of water that
and we have our favorite beverage, the Moscow Mule. I'm
(08:17):
wondering Slash thinking that Sierra made a non alcoholic version.
But I will tell you the ingredients because we've been
talking about how much we love these for episodes now,
so naturally it felt like the perfect two hundred cocktail.
It is not related to our episode at all. It
is just because that's what we wanted to drink to celebrate. Yes,
(08:39):
So Moscow mules have very little ingredients. All you need
is vodka, ginger beer, fresh lime, and I also put
mint in my Moscow mules.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I know that's weird, not too weird. Some people do that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's like a mix between a mojito and a Moscow mule.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
When I do that, it so yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But I personally like a very spicy ginger beer, really
snappy ginger beer. So really, all you're gonna do is
you're gonna go one to two ounces of your vodka.
You're gonna squeeze some fresh lime.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
In it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You're gonna shake it up over ice, and then you're
gonna pour it into a glass with new ice and
top it with ginger beer and enjoy. And you can
also add simple syrup if you choose. A lot of
people do that because the ginger beer is too spicy
for them, But I love the spice of it all,
so I always skip that, and I muddle a little
(09:38):
bit of mint in mine because I just think that
the mint and the ginger teast kind of good together.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So make it a muscow mule heato, Yeah, I've got
a mule he too happening.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't know why I have a straw anymore, but
my copper cup is ready to go. Mine's not a
real copper cup, though, and I think you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Can tell mine is because it's just fucking ripping like
it is sweaty.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm really jealous mine. Maybe that's why your sounds so
cold and mine warmed, because mine is just a copper
lined cup. Ah yeah, but how did you make your
no boozy version?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Same thing except instead of vodka, I used apple sider vinegar,
same taste and everything. It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That is smart, and you're getting your apple side or
vinegar in that way. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The ginger beer really really covers up the taste of
that side of vinegar too. So if any of you
listening are like, I've always heard good things about drinking
apple side of vinegar, but I can't stomach it. If
you can stomach a ginger beer, if.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can stick your to Oscow mules.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right, the ginger beer really covers it up.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Huh. I'm actually gonna try that because I bought a
case of ginger beer for this occasion, not something I
keep in the house all the time, because I will
drink it and uh, it already has sugar in it sometimes,
so no, I don't want to just constantly drink ginger beer,
but fuck, it's good if you are a Moscow mule,
(11:13):
girly or boy or neither yourself let us know. And
I'm excited to see what Sierra does next week because
she is going to make a rendition of it for
part two. So we are going to jump right into
this case after a quick ad BREAKMPM, welcome back, and uh,
(11:33):
let's dive into this case because it is again one
you guys have hinted at that you've wanted us to cover.
We've teased the serial killer and cults enough in our
intro without even planning on it, we are covering Charles
Manson and the infamous Hate LaBianca murders. The first hint
(11:54):
that we are going to be coming at this in
true Taylor Swift Easter egg fashion was during Sierra's episodisode
of the twenty sixth Club episode one fifty five, where
she discusses some weird similarities and spookiness surrounding the deaths
of Jean Harlowe and Sharon Tate. It's honestly one of
my favorite episodes she's ever done, so go listen. I
(12:15):
did sneak a favorite bonus because I just couldn't pick Fie,
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It is. It is a really good one. I was
so excited when I found that out. I was excited
to do it. So yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
One of those inception moments where you're just like, I
cannot understand this, So we are going to go back
to the beginning, as we do all stories, And I
am just saying that we could do an entire bonus
episode just on the murders that are believed to have
been committed by Charles Manson, But we were going to
focus on the ones that we know for sure he did.
(12:48):
This man is something, and I don't necessarily mean that
in a good way. We will still talk about him
and how he managed to convince people to kill total
strangers and worship and mimic everything that he ever did.
He's truly an enigma. Charles Mills Maddox was born on
November twelfth, nineteen thirty four, in Cincinnati, Ohio, to sixteen
(13:12):
year old Ada Kathleen Maddox.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh wait, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
He didn't know that he was born in Cincinnati. Oh
my god? Did he live there? Not long?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay? Yeah, I know that that was once his face
Dahmer was born. I don't think in Cincinnati, but near
near since maybe Cleveland or Columbus also, But he didn't
stay long either.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
There's a lot of weirdos in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, though they leave very quickly. We're not they're not
raised in Cincinnati, all right, all right, they leave very quickly.
It's their surroundings. They should have stayed well, they should
have stayed until they were seventeen and then left like
I did.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Zero turned out both normal. Yeah, doesn't kill people that's
a bonus right, or have a cult following. Well, I
don't know. After the whole cuckoo bird incident, we're not
sure he would never know his biological father. But right
before she gave birth to her son, she did marry
(14:16):
a man named William Eugene Manson, but all it said
on his Ohio birth certificate was Manson. He was never
named as a baby.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, wait, is that a Cincinnatism because I was baby girl,
not Zorn. I'm gonna tell you all my mom's maiden name,
but baby girl something else. For about six days, they
didn't know what to name me. I went home without
a name on my certificate.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So guys, keep an eye on Sierra. Okay, listen a
little worried about stop comparing yourself to Charles.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's just weirding me out.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's it's uncanny, really, But yes, they did eventually come
to nickname him Charlie, which is where Charles came from.
But we'll get there. So he didn't have a name
on his birth certificate. Neither did Sierra and William and
Kathleen's relationship didn't last very long. They would divorce in
nineteen seventy. No in nineteen thirty seven, and William claimed
(15:21):
that she was a neglectful mother for going on frequent
drinking sprees with her brother Luther. In one source, it
did say that Kathleen tried to sell Charles for a
pint of beer, so her behavior is problematic to say
the least. A few months later she and her brother
nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
She probably should have sold that kid.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He would have been way better off.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, maybe things would be different.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's like a whole parallel universe. Like who would Charles
Manson have become if he had been sold for a
pint of beer? Who knows? Maybe sure Kate would still
be here. And then what I mean, she would be
like in her eighties, live in a good ass life.
That woman is my Roman Empire. I said it on
episode one fifty five. I mean it so problematic behavior.
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Her and her brother would also be arrested for assault
and robbery and sentenced to five and ten years in prison, respectfully.
Charles was then placed in the care of his aunt
and uncle in mcmeckon, mcmeecon. I've looked up how to
say this. Don't yell at me anyone in West Virginia okay.
(16:40):
He was placed in the care of his aunt and
uncle in mcmeekon, West Virginia until his mom was pearled
in nineteen forty two. Kathleen would continue her spree of
even in evening drinks and Charles was often less left
to his own devices. They later moved to Indianapolis, where
Kathleen met and made married a man named Lewis Woodson
(17:02):
Cavender Junior. They met at an AA program, so I mean,
I guess they were trying to bether themselves, but it
didn't necessarily make for a good match. At the age
of nine, Charles was getting into trouble for petty theft
and casually trying to set his school on fire at
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nine and at thirteen he was placed in the Gibbelt
School for Boys, which was basically for troubled teens. It
was an incredibly strict Catholic school. Even the smallest infraction
brought on a beating, which is not the way to
rear children or help heal them, but separate problem. Finally,
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Charles had had enough and ran away from the school,
sleeping wherever he could each night, before making his way
back to his aunt and uncle's house in West Virginia.
His mother, however, just sent him right back to Gibblt
so she didn't want to deal with him. She was
largely part of the problem in his problematic behavior. And
then she's like, no, I'm just going to send you
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back to this Catholic school.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
She should have just got the beer. Whoever was giving
up beer to have this kid.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wanted nineteen thirty four, that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Person wanted a child, they would have treated him better.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They listen. In nineteen thirty four, beer was just recently
legalized again. All right, that was a big They were
giving up a lot. Yeah, they were giving you a
lot for that kid.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Again, tell us what you guys think would have happened
in this timeline, because I'm curious. That didn't stop Charles though,
because ten months later he would run away again. But
he needed to figure out what to do next, and
robbed a grocery store just trying to get some food
and enough money to rent a room for the night.
He got jobs delivering messages for Western Union and would
(18:55):
make extra money with some petty thefts on the side.
So not totally on the up up yet that having
been caught one too many times a judge ordered him
back to Boystown, which sorry ordered him to go to Boystown,
which was a juvenile facility in Nebraska. So he's bouncing
around states. He's bouncing around boys' schools, he's stealing things
(19:17):
aren't good. It didn't take long for him to find
more trouble there either, because just four days later, he
and another student stole a gun and a car, committed
two armed robberies, and were arrested. Two weeks later. That
escalated quickly, Yeah, I did, and he was moved to
a boys school in Indiana, which was much stricter and
(19:40):
had heavier security.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But Indiana, Indiana, So he's back to where his mom lives.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, goodness because sending him to a boys school out
of state where she couldn't keep an eye on him
like that's whatever. Allegedly, while he was there, a few
students beat up and tried to rape Charles under the
encouragement of another staff member. So he would run away
from the school at at least eighteen times, which got
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to admire the persistence. In February of nineteen fifty one,
during one of his escapes, he and three other boys
robbed gas stations and attempted to drive towards California. They
were caught and arrested in Utah. Charles was then sent
to another boys school, the National Training School for Boys
(20:31):
in Washington, d C. That's so far away, I know,
that's I'm just like, now, what that's for schools? So far?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He was on of which Colifornia where he was trying
to go, and he sent him to the complete opposite
side of the fucking country. Like, that's dude, so rude.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean, I mean, nothing good comes from Charles Manson
as we know, but this is just a wild like
what he's like nineteen at this point, It's just crazy
to me. He was given a number of aptitude tests
indicating that he was aggressively anti social and mostly illiterate,
and a psychiatrist recommended that he get moved to a
(21:12):
natural Bridge on Our Camp, which was a mental institution
in Virginia. He told his aunt told administrators though, that
he could stay with her and that she would help
him find a job and get back on his feet.
So his aunt and uncle that had been a part
of raising him had a little bit of a soft spot.
But this was red flag number one. Somebody is like
(21:35):
he needs different help. He doesn't need to keep getting
thrown in these schools that are beating him and not
keeping an eye on him and where he's around bad influences.
He needs help.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Aggressive and anti social are almost never in the same
discression of one person. When they are, that's how you
know there's a fucking problem. Okay, aggressively anti social hmm, yeah,
that's like.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's like a literal brewing for dangerous. Yeah. But even
though his aunt had a good intention, it didn't take
long for him to find trouble again. It's just a
part of him at this point. He was caught raping
a boy at knife point in January of nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Jesus fuck.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He was then moved to the Federal Reformatory in Petersburg,
Virginia and held, and then onto a maximum security reformatory
in Ohio. So he's gone full circle now. Yeah. He
was set to remain there until November of nineteen fifty five,
when he would turn twenty one years old, but he
was released a little bit early in May of nineteen
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fifty four for good behavior, which surprises me, and then
went back to living with his aunt and uncle. I
understand the unruliness of this upbringing, but he wasn't exactly
set up for success. It's also challenging because lawing somebody
up until they're illegal adult isn't a solution for reform either.
But you know, we've kind of discussed that. So in
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January of nineteen fifty five, Charles married a hospital waitress
named Rosalie Rody Jane Willis. They were a true prime
match made in heaven because they pull a car and
were arrested in Las Vegas following this wedded bliss. Nothing
says a romantic honeymoon, like let's steal a car together, babe.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean for someone who's like it a thrill seeker,
that sounds like a perfect honeymoon. Also, that name, I'm sorry,
but she is a great fucking name. That is amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's why I had to put her whole name in here,
because I'm like, you can't shorten that to anything else.
It just sounds like she sounds like a character that
I would write a book about, you know, like she
exactly She's like a Bonnie and Clyde type.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yes, the kind of character who would rob ert steal
a car and travel with it for her honeymoon, but
get away with it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean he really shouldn't have let her go.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
As a result, though, his probation was broken from driving
across state lines and he was sentenced to serve three
years in prison. So now as a legal adult, there's
no more reformatory schools. It's just straight prison. And get this,
Rosalie was pregnant and would give birth to their son,
Charles Manson Junior, in April of nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Could he legally call him Charles Manson Jr?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, his names just Manson? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
you're not a June. Yeah, you're Manson Junior. I guess technically, Yeah,
that's weird. It is weird. And no surprise that child
has long gone on to change their name.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Rosalie would continue to visit Charles in prison, but eventually
those visits would get shorter and shorter and eventually stop altogether,
and he learned that she was now with another man.
In September of nineteen fifty eight, Rosalie would file for divorce.
So things did not improve for Charles after this, And
(25:18):
to be clear, he did all of this himself. Who
can feel bad for his upbringing, but not for him
as he is as an adult. He would be in
and out of prison for the next nine years, one
for things such as prostitution of a sixteen year old
girl and attempting to cash a US Treasury check, and
(25:42):
for stealing cars. He was described by probation reports as
quote suffering from a marked degree of rejection, instability, and
physic and psychic trauma, and constantly striving for status and
secure loving of some kind. He was unpredictable and only
(26:02):
safe under supervision. No, nothing good there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, that's we're noticing a pattern here.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is two reports now by professionals in this industry
that are saying he shouldn't be let out and he
needs psychiatric help. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And also that middle piece sounded like a really fans
of fancy way of saying mommy issues.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh total mommy, but also driving for status and exactly
and kind of love.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. But also there are plenty people with mommy issues
who don't murder people.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So after his release in March of nineteen sixty seven,
Charles was really not adjusting well, no shock, He's spent
his entire upbringing in institutions leading up to his release.
He actually told prison authorities that prison had become his
home home and asked if he could stay, but they
(27:04):
did not let him stay because prisons are grossly overpopulated
and our systems are broken.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They are so broken, and I'm not surprised that he
asked to stay. I personally have known people who went
to prison who got out and like, I can't find
a job, I can't make any money, I don't have
anywhere live. If I go back to prison, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, then they'll purposefully do something. You'll go back to prison.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, and guess what. In prison, they get a free room,
a free bed, free food. Even though it's not great.
The world is not easy, especially on prisoners or people
who are ex convicts.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, it's a very broken system, and it's unfortunate because
if people were given a little bit more opportunity to
get back on their feet, maybe that would not be
a pattern, and if they were properly reformed and helped
within the institutions, they would be It's all to go outside.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
All because the people who don't want to hire these
ex convicts know that the prison system is not reforming them.
So if the prison system reformed them in the first place.
Then people wouldn't be so quick to judge an ex
convict and would be able to give them a chance,
and then they'd want to get out, and they'd want
to do good. It's a whole fucking circle that starts
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with better prisons.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I agree. Upon his release, he immediately left Los Angeles
and moved to Berkeley, just outside of San Francisco. He
did check in with his parole office following his arrival,
even though that normally would have been a violation him leaving,
and he was put under the care of a criminology
researcher and federal probation officer named Roger Smith. He worked
(28:48):
at the hate Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, which reportedly received
funding from the CIA to study the effects of drugs
like LSC and methanmphetamines within the district. This area was
known for their counter culture movement, which challenged traditional authority,
encouraged alternative lifestyles, and advocated for peace, love, and social justice.
(29:13):
It was the sticking it to the man of it,
all of it of the sixties and early seventies that
basically describes every like anti man movement that you can
think of, guys. So that when I heard the term
counter culture, I'm like, what does that mean? And I
was like, it was literally just that movement. Charles would
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end up moving into the heart of the city and
using LSD regularly. According to study documentations, the change in
Charles's personality during this time was quote the most abrupt
Roger Smith had observed in his entire professional career end quote,
which how many red flags are we at now? Well?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But also if he was a red flagon before and
this is the most abrupt change, is he now green flagons?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And how well? No, I think he's hit the whole spectrum.
I think he's gone from one end to fucked up
to the other. Jesus Well, you've seen videos of Charles
Manson right, like it's it's an experience. I do have
one clip that I'm going to insert at the end
of this recording for our listeners just to get an
(30:28):
idea if you've never seen an interview with him, because
not only is it really hard to follow and a
little bit amusing, but it's just like it's intriguing at
the end of the day, like he managed to convince
people to do these things for a reason, Like yes,
they were you know, easily influential young girls and like
(30:52):
things like that as well. But it's also just like
he was. I don't want to say charming because that's
not the word, but he was something you guys will see.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Ramble from twelve to fifteen, Kai Karate from age five
to seventeen. Now you've got all your kids out here
doing these crazy things. Now you want to come and say,
Charlie Manson is.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
The father of our country.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
We're convicting you for being Jesus Christ. We're convicting you
for being the devil. We're convicting you for being responsible
for our actions. I'm not responsible for anyone's actions but
my own actions.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
In my whole life, I've fergilized the grocery store, sold
some nickels and dimes, busted open its stamp machines, stole
a few automobiles, and cashed a couple of checks.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm a petty carthy.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I've been with prostitutes and bums and winos and all
my life. The street is my world. I don't pretend
to go uptown and be anything fancy can, but I
find more real in the world that I'm in than
(32:06):
I do the tinsel, and the real world is the
one I have to deal with every day. You believe me,
if I started murdering people, could.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Be none of you left.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The one thing that Charles Manson seemed to have going
for him, though, is that he was actually a talented musician,
and I think this helped with his ever growing number
of female followers. Not only do hippies love sticking it
to the man, but they also love, you know, rock stars.
He learned how to read music and play the guitar
while in prison, and it kind of was a passion
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of his outside of wreaking general havoc. That and he
was providing them with LSD and without knowing it, proving
even providing even more people to test the effects of
the drug against. It was the late sixties and early
seven these hippie movements, so people were all about free
love and you know, sex, drugs of rock and roll,
(33:05):
so exactly convinced them to be like, hey, I have
free LSD. Do you want to get high together? Yeah,
no problem. And these girls followed him everywhere they were.
Even they even converted this old bus with tassels and
carpet and paint and drove all around the city in it.
Charles had established himself as this guru type in the community,
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and his family were dubbed the Manson family. I'm going
to tell you about the followers that are relevant to
our stories, and Cera is going to cover a few
of them in part two. Relevant in the stories and
the crime because there were so many and most of
them did absolutely nothing wrong and don't need to get
called out, and this story could be eighteen pages long
(33:53):
just in part one. So the first of his many
followers was Mary Brunner. She was a twenty three year
old life library assistant from the University of California, Berkeley.
She was originally from Mauclair, Wisconsin, and after graduating, she
settled into this job in San Francisco. When she met Charles,
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the two clicked instantly and actually ended up moving in together.
This group would grow quickly to thirty five people, with
the majority being underaged girls. They all shared the passion
of sticking it to the man and living an unconventional
lifestyle and taking psychedelic drugs, so they found their people
(34:38):
within each other. Susan Atkins met Charles Manson at a
house where she was living with several of her friends,
and they had been throwing a party when Charles was
there playing the guitar. She had been working as a
sex worker up until this point, and when her house
was raided just weeks later, it left her homeless. So
(34:58):
Charles invited him invited her to live with them. Lenna
Alice from was better known as Squeaky. She was nineteen
years old and kicked out of living with her family
after she dropped out of college. Charles seemed to have
predicted this in her and believed and she believed him
to be a psychic, falling for his charms immediately, so
(35:22):
he was like, you you their child, you got kicked
out and you're down on your luck. Come with me.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's how I pictured it going, as that seems perfect
perfectly how it went, for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Tricia Creenwinkle met Charles Nansen when the bus rolled up
in Manhattan in Manhattan Beach along with Lynnette and Mary,
and he convinced her to come with them as well.
You know this party bus of the original party bus
of people as driving around beaches in California and Hi,
who what young twenty something year old doesn't want to
(35:58):
be like, oh yeah, that sounds like let's go hang out.
He was allegedly one of the first people in her
life to call her beautiful, so for her it was
love at first sight. He used his music and sorry,
he used music in his warnings and manipulated the meanings
of lyrics. Helter skelter was an invention, an invented word
(36:21):
that he used insinuating that the world was under a
race war. He also used the Beatles for example, maybe
you've heard of them. The music video was meant to
be a metaphor for the rise and fall of the
Roman Empire, but Charles interpreted it to be a beginning
of a race war. If the Beatles are telling us
(36:41):
about this, it must be true. There was also a
rival group known as the Black Panthers at the time,
and by rival group, I mean just representing black community
members and people were extremely racist at the time. Additional
songs like Blackbirds by the Beatles were used to serve
(37:01):
as a warning as well. I mean, you can take
whatever meaning from a song that you'd like, but pushing
racially motivated and hateful messages can be problematic, as we.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
See kind of sounds like when people read the Bible
and then like interpreted it different.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And that they could have potentially harmful consequences. Yeah, especially
when you had reached like Charles Manson did two young,
impressionable and drugged up girls. The core of his velocity
was a kind of Armageddon type movement. Charles preached that
(37:43):
the black man was going to rise up and start
killing the whites and turn the cities into an inferno
of racial revenge. Okay. Charles started working with a music
teacher named Gary Hinman, who would go on to introduce
him to Dennis Wilson in of the Beach Boys. Dennis
and Charles hit it off right away. The man was
(38:06):
honestly just fascinated that he had this just group of
girls in this whole bus, you know, like he was
living this hippie dream. In fact, Charles Manson attracted so
many followers they could no longer fit on the bus anymore,
and moved into an abandoned ranch in the San Fernando
Valley of California.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Does that make the other guy like a complete fucking
idiot for like not noticing the red flags, like.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like Dennis Wilson.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, like just be like, oh, wow, are following you?
That's cool?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, No, dude was learning, Yeah, he was thinking with
his penis.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, of course makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So they moved the to this little small commune that
would escalate into Manson's girls believing that he was Jesus
and really falling for this race war thing. Dennis Wilson
then on to introduce Charles to a record producer named
Terry Melcher. He was the son of actress Doris Day
again maybe you've heard of her. After initially showing interest
(39:12):
in Charles's music, though, he thought that it was possible
that he would be a liability and decided and decided
not to sign him on. This action would set the
rest of our story into motion. Gary was good to
Charles and his family, even letting him stay with him
from time to time. But on July twenty seventh, nineteen
(39:35):
sixty nine, the musician and UCLA undergraduate was alone at home.
Charles for some reason believed that he had inherited a
large sum of money and sent some of his followers
to his house to try and convince him to give
it up. The followers were Bobby Bouschel, Susan Atkins, and
(39:57):
Mary Brunner. When he denied having any money and not
knowing what they were talking about, Charles arrived with a
sword and slashed his face and his ear. Bobby would
then fatally stab Gary Hinman to death. That's what fatally
(40:18):
stabbing means. But okay, before leaving, they used his blood
to write political piggy and a black Panther symbol on
the wall, possibly to mislead any police officers into thinking
that the Black Panther Party was responsible for the murders.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And this is the point where I'm like, what the
fuck are his followers following? Because if you are going
to blame someone who you think is doing bad things,
but do not comprehend that you are now doing the
bad thing and blaming someone who didn't do the bad thing.
(40:58):
You've never seen them do a bad thing. Why are you?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Ugh, it's just called brainwashing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I know. I just when it gets to that point,
I'm like, this is the cult of it all though it.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Doesn't make sense. I know, I know, drugs. Maybe that's it, drugs, jukes,
We're gonna have a rainbow that comes across the screen.
He just says, hugs, not drugs. You guys should follow
(41:35):
us on YouTube if you would like more of that nonsense.
Bobby Boshell was arrested on August sixth, nineteen sixty nine
after being found driving Gary's car with the murder weapon
in the tire well. He was convicted and sentenced to death,
but his sentence was commuted to life in prison when
(41:55):
the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty on constitutional
in nineteen seventy two. Bobby was denied parole multiple times,
with his most recent denial occurring in October of twenty sixteen.
Gary Hyndman's death set off a series of murders by
the Manson family, including the infamous Tate Labianka's killings in
(42:20):
August of nineteen sixty nine. Those have been extensively covered
in media, and most recently in the Netflix documentary Chaos
the Manson Murders, which was one of our sources for
these episodes. Later, Gary's family expressed that his life and
contributions are more significant than the tragedy of his death.
(42:42):
His cousin, Charlotte Hood emphasized that the family remembers him
for his life and not just being a victim of
Charles Manson. But Sierra is going to pick up on
the chaos no pun intended. That is to follow in
Part two, and that is our Part one. Two hundred
(43:06):
episode bonus. Ah, tell me your thoughts thus far.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I mean, you know, it's fucking Charles Manson. How can
you not think that he's I don't know, crazy, while
also thinking how did this happen? Well, I don't know.
It's just it's mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He is both fascinating and terrifying.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I've seen part of his uh, his his brain, his
brain dust in a jar at A. I don't think
it's brain dust. I don't want to say brain. Is
it part of his brain that Zach Begins has or
is it part of his ashes? Hold on Zach Begans?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Is he When did he die?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Charles Manson?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Wasn't that recent?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Whoa like in the last ten years?
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oh, it's okay, Sorry, it's not any of what I
just said. I saw Charles Manson's teeth on display at
Began's Contee Museum and seventeen. Yeah, it was. Well, no,
it's not recent now, but it felt recent when it happened.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I know what you mean, it in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, gross, I didn't realize that they were teeth. I
heard because we were in like a big group of
people and I heard them talking about something with Charles Manson.
But that was when I had heard like a woman's
voice or something, and so I was so distracted by
that because it was like the whole serial killer room
(44:51):
and I was really creeped out. That's so his teeth
I witnessed gross gross, real gross. Also teeth are gross. Yeah,
and that's not even my thing. That's Sierra's. And speaking
of my things instead of something happy to talk about
and something that we just want to talk to you
(45:11):
guys about. As a two hundredth episode special coverage, we
are going to talk about some of my favorite episodes
and Sierra's favorite episodes of mine, and we are going
to do the same big and part two for hers.
Before anyone yells at me and is like Heiera's episode
so good too, Yes, they're fucking good. That's why we're
(45:33):
doing a whole segment dedicated to her. And we wanted
to do this at the end because some of you
just like to skip to the case. And that's okay too.
I got my first I'm gonna pause it really quick
to tell you about this. Okay, we're gonna talk about
welcome back. But on that note, tell me, do you
(45:58):
want me to go first, or do you want to
go first? Don't?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Okay, we can go back and forth because we're doing
we're doing. Maybe people have the same rabbit train.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I used it again. Okay, so see here, I don't
even know where a rabbit Where did rabbit train come from?
I forget you.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Were trying to say rabbit hole and something about a
train and the train of thought.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Maybe yeah, yeah, rabbit train came out. Okay. So I'm
gonna go from the episode one hundred to episode two hundred. Yes,
I'm going from oldest to newest. So okay. So my
first favorite on my list is episode one, Unsinkable Violet,
(46:40):
the lady that survived both the Britannica and the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Same really, Yes, it's so funny that one Violet Jessup
was the cool.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Icon icon I love. I love a serendipitous moment too
in history. Hen why uh? The Shared Hate Jean Harlowe
episode fascinated me so much? And when I saw that,
I just because the Titanic is my other Roman empires,
so naturally I had to. I had to do that episode.
(47:14):
And I'm glad that I was able to share something
new with you.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, and with Sissy's ridiculous Titanic infatuation, Like it really
I really like learning about that.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I think that Sis was definitely a past life survivor
of the Titanic. Like that's the only reason. Yeah, it's
that fascinated or died. There's no other explanation.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Maybe she died on the Titanic. You know That's what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Like, oh, yeah, true, true, that makes more sense. And
I lied. I'm going to go back one more episode
in my top five, in my puckwudgy episode. Yeah, episode
one sixteen b Lister Kryptis was a fun episode that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Was in my top ten, but I had to go
down to talk to Hero. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I really enjoy the categories and different stories that we
do in All Things Twisted because we get to have
lighthearted episodes and more serious episodes than I love doing
cryptids and I hope that we never run out of
cryptids to cover people needed to keep discovering the ghost
pants of the world.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Okay, yes, please my lowest other than Vila Jessa, because
you just did that one is episode one two might
not be paranormal, but it's not normal with the Trump family.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I loved because I had researched it myself also and
wanted to cover it, but just hadn't done enough of it.
I had it written down. I was like, I had
heard of it. I was like, this is crazy. I've
got to do more. And then when I found out
you were covering it, I was like, now I don't
have to research it. You just tell me about it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, I actually think you said that on that episode. Yeah, God,
I did that one.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah that was good.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It's still like a mystery, you know what I mean?
Like how? Why? What? Like that's one of the craziest
fucking things. Why did those people act like that? Maybe
it's so I'm settling.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
It's like a folly dure of it all, but not
yea like five of them. Yeah, I think I need
to go back and re listen to that episode because
so I'm curious. I don't know if you've noticed this
as well, but like even in just how we write
notes or how we tell stories now is so different,
like from writing past us. So past us might have
(49:45):
a theory, but the present tut might have a totally
different theory. So now I'm like, I need to refresh
my mind. A little bit.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
My next favorite is nothing equol about it. The Kamloops Institutions,
Slash housing facility, the sanatorium, the abandoned one in cam Loops.
I think that that history is super fascinating. I think
(50:16):
that the the fact that it's still there and it's
as large as it is and it's just totally untouched. Still,
the fact that it was five different types of institutions
while it was around, it's the haunting of it all
is too much for me to ignore. And it's literally
(50:37):
like four hours away from me. I have no excuse.
I just need to bring our equipment there. I just
need to go. But I'm scared. I'm scared to do it.
But I did really enjoy covering it. I did really
enjoy learning about the history because I find that most
of my stories NAVI gravitate outside of Canada. I shouldn't
say most. I'm literally scrolling and I'm like, oh that,
(50:59):
what was happening? That happened again. But I think it's
cool when I can find something that's so rich in
a history close to my home. And I remember reading
at the end like a bunch of real accounts of
people whose family members had stayed there and stuff, and
it was just like really raw, just fascinating but horrible.
(51:19):
History is horrible, as we've learned about today, but also
I'm glad I got to learn about it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
My next is in your top ten.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I feel like I'm doing an NFL draft or something.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
In it. My next one, number three is episode one
sixty one, What happened in Aruba with Max Devise. I
still to this day, like my friends take a year
every year take a vacation to somewhere in the Caribbean Islands,
(51:57):
and one of them mentioned Aruba, and they're like, you
guys got and you're like, no, no, no, I will
never There's another story that I have to cover in
the next one hundred episodes of ours that also took
place in a round. There's so many in Aruba, and
none of them are good. What the look is happening?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You know, I think that it's like a trafficking hotspot.
It's got to be Like I still think even a
little fortunately what happened to Max, Like I don't think
that he was I don't think that that he killed
him on the water, but he sold him. Yeah, and
that Max spot while he was put on that boat.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, that's terrifying, scary. What's your next?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm honored that you liked that one, because that one
was hard to research. Kids, even teenage boy stuff fucks
me up.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna say I wanted to go right. Yeah.
And it's not like, oh I love this case. It's
more like, I am so glad that I know and yeah, yeah,
because they did it before.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I definitely get that. Okay. Another favorite of mine was
I might go back to it, guys. I'm gonna be
honest here. I didn't pick my five favorites because I
just had a hard time with it and I was
gonna do it on the fly and make myself choose
because I overthink everything. I have like twelve of Sierra's
so suffer from.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
I eliminated one.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
With cheating this episode, so it's fine. Another one that
I really enjoyed doing was episode one seventy two, Lord
Dexter Shine Forevermore. That is the quirkiest man I have
ever read about in history. Secondary to the guy in
your Marie Antoinette story. The game, I forget his first name,
(53:48):
but you have to cover him on his own point.
But Lord Dexter was kind of like that same flashy,
very out there for his time period guy, and that
even though he was a total asshole, like scolding his
wife for not reacting appropriately at a spake funeral, right, yeah,
when we did faked death crimes. So I still can't
(54:12):
believe that that was a real man, I know. Yeah,
it was just a fun episode, and that was a
good one.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
My Wood. Fourth one is episode. Sorry, I don't have
the names of them.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I just have the people that I'm on our website.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
I'm cheating a little bit. Episode one seventy aliens are
in the ocean because we fucking knew what was coming. Okay,
alien in the ocean, all right, they fucking are and
that the what is it, the Pasca Goula? Is that
how you say it? Pascoola objection? Yeah? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That was another one ever Alien abduction too. I've left
them all to you. Oh wow, that's another.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
One that I've I have known about this for a
long time. One day I planned uncovering it and it's like,
now I don't have to thank you. Thank you for
telling me all of the little details.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
And the way that the Pasca Goula abduction described their aliens. Yeah,
reminded me a little bit of your aliens on your
most recent They're a normal one that still gives me yes,
and just like the the smooth skinned like version of it,
(55:31):
their descriptions, not the bugs part. Still never okay with
the bugs part. Yeah, but it just it goes to
show you that, like something is in the water, yeah,
that we shouldn't be ignoring.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
I was at the beach today and there was a
dead fish, which is disgusting, but it someone was fishing
and I guess their line snapped and the fish died somehow.
It was floating on top of the water, still had
a line and it's not anyway. It floated up to
shore near shore, and so some of the people swimming
(56:05):
took it out of the water because they didn't want
it to attract sharks.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Fair, I have no fucking idea what kind of fish
it was like. It looked like a fucking alien. Okay,
it was a creepy alien. It might have been an alien.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's why the minute it was caught, it was like, oh,
we have to disengage whatever.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Die now. Yeah, it was creepy.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Ew. Did you get to screep up.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
I didn't, but the people I was with did. I
wonder if they.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Posted it yet they need or if they didn't. Because
my other favorite episode speaking, I have to move away
from dead fish and aliens, yeah, or I won't sleep tonight.
Sheldon is not inflated for me to use this sacrifice
(56:59):
on the teck. He is currently deflated because I have
nowhere to put him but my other favorites. I'm torn
between the episode that I did on the School's cults
or the Prey Away the Gay Cult. Both highlight the
(57:21):
worst of the worst in terms of humanity, and just
learning about all of these people and their stories and
the lives that they're currently leading and the changes that
they're trying to make are just very inspiring.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
The program episode was one of mine that was in
my top ten, but it got bumped down because my
last one is episode one, Ghost Besies with Shila Isiak
and Angela. I love Shila Isaki. She's the coolest, like.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
And I'm still embarrassed that I never put two or
two together. Like I listened back to that episode, I'm like, fuck,
it's like the Solar System all over again. She Wa
Waisaki is common knowledge, like just not knowing that that
was her start to the world.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
True crime is just wild to me.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I love it, James, are glad you did that. Other
honorable mentions, okay are the ones that were in my
top ten because we'reeting. I know, the Lost Boys of
Pickering those episode one to seven. That's really good one.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
I liked half of them. I think the water Aliens
got them, possibly because that was on a great lake.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, those are trouble uha. In one twelve, just because
so many people like followed that and didn't realize it
was super culty.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
The amount of people that I know that go to
bikram yoga now I'm just like, I still do it, Guys,
I can't. I won't even go to a single even
if they're not owned by that group anymore and they
just have the name or whatever I use to support it.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
And then one three with Tracy Cusick she did not
fucking drown into toilet Okay, Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Was That has been my top grouping as well, because
I remember you being like, she has a neck people,
that's not how that works. It was so funny, it's
so obvious, like that's not how human.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
It upsets me more.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
Head would have hit things. Okay, yeah, it upsets me
too because he fucking got away with it.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred episodes. One hundred really good episodes.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
I know we've had some good ones. It's I'm glad
that we do this every hundred episodes because it would
just get too hard otherwise. But yeah, our first hundred
episode was a little bit crazy. Was that the Was
that the Nick Jonas tequila episode?
Speaker 2 (59:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (59:59):
No, that was our contiversary episode.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, that was a partiversary. O. One hundredth episode was
the West Memphis three.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yes, but we didn't combine those two things.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
That's what I meant, correct.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I know we did the West Memphis three, and that
was a favorite episode of mine. In general, that story
will haunts me to this day. I know that that
is your Roman Empires.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yes, stresses me out.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, I'm glad that we, between the two of us
are minds, have covered the realm of true crime anyway. Happy,
don't try and kill people, guys, God, don't kill people.
Don't try to kill people. Don't kill people. Name your
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children when their birth don't just send them home with
them right on their birth certificate. Choose love, I tell
your child for a beer. If it's better for them,
they're going to have a better life for it. In
nineteen thirty four, Okay, love love, love, love, and we
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love all of you, and thank you so much for
listening for another one hundred episodes. Don't forget to leave
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Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
And tell us, tell us how you do your hearts?
Is it? Is it millennial? Is it I can't help?
Or is it Jenn Alpha?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What the fuck is that?
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
This is a little teeny tiny heart They do this now?
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Why?
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I didn't even know what you were doing until you
had to explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
One uh two I really.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Struggled out with my fingers. Yeah, it looks like I'm
having like a massive hand cramp. Yeah, one two three, Yeah,
clearly anyway, Yeah, thank you guys so so much. We
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will see you next week four, part two of our
coverage and are reminiscing on Cierra's episodes, and we love
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Hello, Twisted humans.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you. I'm Alicia and
I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked. Hello, and
welcome to episode two hundred of your favorite podcast. This
is part one of a series that we are going
to be covering for you, and we cannot believe that
(00:32):
we have been in your ears for nearly four years
and two hundred episodes only smokes. We just want to
say thank you guys so much for listening and getting
us to this point. It really does mean the world
to us. And as a thank you, we are bringing
you that series that you have been requesting for a
very long time that we could never quite agree if
(00:54):
it was a cult or a serial killer. But before
we get into that, we have to talk about fun facts. Sierra,
do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I have a fun fact that I have been holding
on to and waiting for the perfect time to tell,
and it's gotta be now. Okay, this is such a
fun fact for me that I learned so the cuckoo bird, right, Okay,
(01:25):
So people, it is a insult, right, to tell somebody
that they're cuckoo. You're cuckoo, you know, But do you
know why people say your cuckoo in relation to the
cuckoo bird? So the use of cuckoo as an insult
often stems from the bird's unnope. Okay, listen, I swear
(01:49):
to God. I googled this recently and it was not
his answer. And that's why I wanted to do a
fun fact because I was gonna say that I don't.
I don't agree with Google, but it has since chain
its answer to agree with.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Me, which therefore goes back to episode one ninety seven,
that we are living in a cult.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Seriously like the algorithm. Maybe I'm the leader of this cult. Actually, yes, you've.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Unofficially started your own cult, so a long time ago, okay,
and it still says it on Merriam Webster.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It literally only doesn't say it on AI. So I
did I started my own cult? Okay? Anyway, Mariam Webster
says that the figurative use of cuckoo, which exists as
an adjective meaning crazy or weak in intellect or common sense,
is a noun for a person described as such, which
(02:43):
is an allusion to the bird's monotonous call. So for
some reason there, you know, when you have a cuckoo
clock the cuckoo cuckoo, when someone tells you you're cuckoo,
they're telling you you're dumb, you're you're great. You just
have a monotonous call. You know, there's nothing going on
(03:04):
up there kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Did you know?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
In a way better use of the word cuckoo as
crazy that cucka birds are fucking natural born serial killers.
Not even joking. Okay, so this is what a cuckoo
bird does. A cucka bird generations. They each bird stalks
(03:28):
out like generations of the birds will stalk another type
of bird, for instance cardinals. All right, this is random bird. Okay,
The cucka bird in that area might be stalking cardinal
while a cucka bird in a different area is stalking
a blue jay. Whatever area they're in, the birds they're stalking,
they evolve for their eggs to look like that bird's eggs.
(03:50):
All right, So again, two different cuckar birds. One's eggs
can look like cardinal eggs, the other's eggs can look
like blue jay's eggs. It's just what they're generational line
has been stalking this whole time, the cucko bird will
light its egg in the nest of a different bird,
like the cardinal. The cardinal doesn't realize that that's a
(04:13):
cucko bird egg because it looks like a cardinal egg.
When the cuckoo bird hatches, it kills all of the
other eggs babies in that nest so that it is
the only one that survives. And when the cardinal mom
sees that only one of her birds lived and it's
(04:34):
super ugly and a cucko bird, they're like, well, it's
the only thing I have to take care of. I
guess I'll raise it. This just happens generation after generation,
Like what the fuck? How insane? Like when a cuckoo
bird is born, all it knows is kill everything around me,
(04:57):
so I'm the only thing left. They're fucking cuckoo. Those
birds are cuckoo.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I have no words for what you just said. First
of all, I'm deeply upset about this fact because now
all I can think of is murdered baby birds. Yeah,
I know they're just gray matter at that point, but
still really sad, And yes, that is insane. Why, Like,
what is the point the cuckoo bird doesn't that is what.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There has a.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Baby and it's gas another bird mom just taking care
of its baby.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, and then the baby is a serial killer and
grows up one day and does the same thing to
another bird.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That so fucked up, that is so fucked up, Like,
oh my god, I it warms me.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That bothered too. No, I mean, yes, it's crazy, but
it bothers me. That Webster's dictionaries like people are called
crazy because by saying cuckoo because they have a really
annoying birds out. No, that's fucking cuckoo. They're serial killers.
That's the cuckoo bar. Why aren't we talking when people.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Are called crazy? That is the term that's crazy enough
to kill another person? Yeah, you're crazy enough to stock
a bird mom bullying?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, what the what are these birds doing?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know? I thought I had a really good fun
fact for our two hundredth episode, but now I don't
even think I can follow this.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I've been saving this for so long.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I've been saving mine too, And mine actually came from
Kevin Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I was editing one day and he.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Just came into the bedroom and he's like, Babe, do
you know where the term hangover came from? And I
was like, no, Kevin, I do not, and He's like, well,
it started in nineteen hundreds when there was a two
penny hangover practice in the Victorian era of sleeping over
a rope for the night. So when you're they were
(06:59):
so drunk and so poor from having spent all of
their money on booze that they would literally sleep slumped
over a rope or a bench, and it was called
a two penny hangover, and it was a way for
inns and stuff to fill every space that they could
for money. So they would pay their two pennies and
like drunkenly pass out. So that is where the term is.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's great. I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I have personally been very drunk before, but I don't
think I've ever been that drunk that I would sleep
over a rope or a bench like that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, maybe a chair, maybe a bench, but not hung
over it. The hangover part is the part that gets me. Yeah,
I'm not doing all that, Like I feel.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Like that's how you make yourself throw up for one
or two, like all the blood rushes to your face.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, it's just not comfortable. I'd rather lay on the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, right, I'd sleep on the ground. Yeah, one hundred percent.
But anyways, that's where I came from, So I thought
that was interesting. And no hangovers in this department over here,
because we both drink a shit ton of water that
and we have our favorite beverage, the Moscow Mule. I'm
(08:17):
wondering Slash thinking that Sierra made a non alcoholic version.
But I will tell you the ingredients because we've been
talking about how much we love these for episodes now,
so naturally it felt like the perfect two hundred cocktail.
It is not related to our episode at all. It
is just because that's what we wanted to drink to celebrate. Yes,
(08:39):
So Moscow mules have very little ingredients. All you need
is vodka, ginger beer, fresh lime, and I also put
mint in my Moscow mules.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I know that's weird, not too weird. Some people do that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's like a mix between a mojito and a Moscow mule.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
When I do that, it so yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But I personally like a very spicy ginger beer, really
snappy ginger beer. So really, all you're gonna do is
you're gonna go one to two ounces of your vodka.
You're gonna squeeze some fresh lime.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
In it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You're gonna shake it up over ice, and then you're
gonna pour it into a glass with new ice and
top it with ginger beer and enjoy. And you can
also add simple syrup if you choose. A lot of
people do that because the ginger beer is too spicy
for them, But I love the spice of it all,
so I always skip that, and I muddle a little
(09:38):
bit of mint in mine because I just think that
the mint and the ginger teast kind of good together.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So make it a muscow mule heato, Yeah, I've got
a mule he too happening.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't know why I have a straw anymore, but
my copper cup is ready to go. Mine's not a
real copper cup, though, and I think you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Can tell mine is because it's just fucking ripping like
it is sweaty.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm really jealous mine. Maybe that's why your sounds so
cold and mine warmed, because mine is just a copper
lined cup. Ah yeah, but how did you make your
no boozy version?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Same thing except instead of vodka, I used apple sider vinegar,
same taste and everything. It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That is smart, and you're getting your apple side or
vinegar in that way. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The ginger beer really really covers up the taste of
that side of vinegar too. So if any of you
listening are like, I've always heard good things about drinking
apple side of vinegar, but I can't stomach it. If
you can stomach a ginger beer, if.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can stick your to Oscow mules.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right, the ginger beer really covers it up.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Huh. I'm actually gonna try that because I bought a
case of ginger beer for this occasion, not something I
keep in the house all the time, because I will
drink it and uh, it already has sugar in it sometimes,
so no, I don't want to just constantly drink ginger beer,
but fuck, it's good if you are a Moscow mule,
(11:13):
girly or boy or neither yourself let us know. And
I'm excited to see what Sierra does next week because
she is going to make a rendition of it for
part two. So we are going to jump right into
this case after a quick ad BREAKMPM, welcome back, and uh,
(11:33):
let's dive into this case because it is again one
you guys have hinted at that you've wanted us to cover.
We've teased the serial killer and cults enough in our
intro without even planning on it, we are covering Charles
Manson and the infamous Hate LaBianca murders. The first hint
(11:54):
that we are going to be coming at this in
true Taylor Swift Easter egg fashion was during Sierra's episodisode
of the twenty sixth Club episode one fifty five, where
she discusses some weird similarities and spookiness surrounding the deaths
of Jean Harlowe and Sharon Tate. It's honestly one of
my favorite episodes she's ever done, so go listen. I
(12:15):
did sneak a favorite bonus because I just couldn't pick Fie,
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It is. It is a really good one. I was
so excited when I found that out. I was excited
to do it. So yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
One of those inception moments where you're just like, I
cannot understand this, So we are going to go back
to the beginning, as we do all stories, And I
am just saying that we could do an entire bonus
episode just on the murders that are believed to have
been committed by Charles Manson, But we were going to
focus on the ones that we know for sure he did.
(12:48):
This man is something, and I don't necessarily mean that
in a good way. We will still talk about him
and how he managed to convince people to kill total
strangers and worship and mimic everything that he ever did.
He's truly an enigma. Charles Mills Maddox was born on
November twelfth, nineteen thirty four, in Cincinnati, Ohio, to sixteen
(13:12):
year old Ada Kathleen Maddox.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh wait, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
He didn't know that he was born in Cincinnati. Oh
my god? Did he live there? Not long?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay? Yeah, I know that that was once his face
Dahmer was born. I don't think in Cincinnati, but near
near since maybe Cleveland or Columbus also, But he didn't
stay long either.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
There's a lot of weirdos in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, though they leave very quickly. We're not they're not
raised in Cincinnati, all right, all right, they leave very quickly.
It's their surroundings. They should have stayed well, they should
have stayed until they were seventeen and then left like
I did.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Zero turned out both normal. Yeah, doesn't kill people that's
a bonus right, or have a cult following. Well, I
don't know. After the whole cuckoo bird incident, we're not
sure he would never know his biological father. But right
before she gave birth to her son, she did marry
(14:16):
a man named William Eugene Manson, but all it said
on his Ohio birth certificate was Manson. He was never
named as a baby.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, wait, is that a Cincinnatism because I was baby girl,
not Zorn. I'm gonna tell you all my mom's maiden name,
but baby girl something else. For about six days, they
didn't know what to name me. I went home without
a name on my certificate.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So guys, keep an eye on Sierra. Okay, listen a
little worried about stop comparing yourself to Charles.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's just weirding me out.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's it's uncanny, really, But yes, they did eventually come
to nickname him Charlie, which is where Charles came from.
But we'll get there. So he didn't have a name
on his birth certificate. Neither did Sierra and William and
Kathleen's relationship didn't last very long. They would divorce in
nineteen seventy. No in nineteen thirty seven, and William claimed
(15:21):
that she was a neglectful mother for going on frequent
drinking sprees with her brother Luther. In one source, it
did say that Kathleen tried to sell Charles for a
pint of beer, so her behavior is problematic to say
the least. A few months later she and her brother
nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
She probably should have sold that kid.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He would have been way better off.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, maybe things would be different.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's like a whole parallel universe. Like who would Charles
Manson have become if he had been sold for a
pint of beer? Who knows? Maybe sure Kate would still
be here. And then what I mean, she would be
like in her eighties, live in a good ass life.
That woman is my Roman Empire. I said it on
episode one fifty five. I mean it so problematic behavior.
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Her and her brother would also be arrested for assault
and robbery and sentenced to five and ten years in prison, respectfully.
Charles was then placed in the care of his aunt
and uncle in mcmeckon, mcmeecon. I've looked up how to
say this. Don't yell at me anyone in West Virginia okay.
(16:40):
He was placed in the care of his aunt and
uncle in mcmeekon, West Virginia until his mom was pearled
in nineteen forty two. Kathleen would continue her spree of
even in evening drinks and Charles was often less left
to his own devices. They later moved to Indianapolis, where
Kathleen met and made married a man named Lewis Woodson
(17:02):
Cavender Junior. They met at an AA program, so I mean,
I guess they were trying to bether themselves, but it
didn't necessarily make for a good match. At the age
of nine, Charles was getting into trouble for petty theft
and casually trying to set his school on fire at
(17:22):
nine and at thirteen he was placed in the Gibbelt
School for Boys, which was basically for troubled teens. It
was an incredibly strict Catholic school. Even the smallest infraction
brought on a beating, which is not the way to
rear children or help heal them, but separate problem. Finally,
(17:43):
Charles had had enough and ran away from the school,
sleeping wherever he could each night, before making his way
back to his aunt and uncle's house in West Virginia.
His mother, however, just sent him right back to Gibblt
so she didn't want to deal with him. She was
largely part of the problem in his problematic behavior. And
then she's like, no, I'm just going to send you
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back to this Catholic school.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
She should have just got the beer. Whoever was giving
up beer to have this kid.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wanted nineteen thirty four, that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Person wanted a child, they would have treated him better.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They listen. In nineteen thirty four, beer was just recently
legalized again. All right, that was a big They were
giving up a lot. Yeah, they were giving you a
lot for that kid.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Again, tell us what you guys think would have happened
in this timeline, because I'm curious. That didn't stop Charles though,
because ten months later he would run away again. But
he needed to figure out what to do next, and
robbed a grocery store just trying to get some food
and enough money to rent a room for the night.
He got jobs delivering messages for Western Union and would
(18:55):
make extra money with some petty thefts on the side.
So not totally on the up up yet that having
been caught one too many times a judge ordered him
back to Boystown, which sorry ordered him to go to Boystown,
which was a juvenile facility in Nebraska. So he's bouncing
around states. He's bouncing around boys' schools, he's stealing things
(19:17):
aren't good. It didn't take long for him to find
more trouble there either, because just four days later, he
and another student stole a gun and a car, committed
two armed robberies, and were arrested. Two weeks later. That
escalated quickly, Yeah, I did, and he was moved to
a boys school in Indiana, which was much stricter and
(19:40):
had heavier security.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But Indiana, Indiana, So he's back to where his mom lives.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, goodness because sending him to a boys school out
of state where she couldn't keep an eye on him
like that's whatever. Allegedly, while he was there, a few
students beat up and tried to rape Charles under the
encouragement of another staff member. So he would run away
from the school at at least eighteen times, which got
(20:10):
to admire the persistence. In February of nineteen fifty one,
during one of his escapes, he and three other boys
robbed gas stations and attempted to drive towards California. They
were caught and arrested in Utah. Charles was then sent
to another boys school, the National Training School for Boys
(20:31):
in Washington, d C. That's so far away, I know,
that's I'm just like, now, what that's for schools? So far?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He was on of which Colifornia where he was trying
to go, and he sent him to the complete opposite
side of the fucking country. Like, that's dude, so rude.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean, I mean, nothing good comes from Charles Manson
as we know, but this is just a wild like
what he's like nineteen at this point, It's just crazy
to me. He was given a number of aptitude tests
indicating that he was aggressively anti social and mostly illiterate,
and a psychiatrist recommended that he get moved to a
(21:12):
natural Bridge on Our Camp, which was a mental institution
in Virginia. He told his aunt told administrators though, that
he could stay with her and that she would help
him find a job and get back on his feet.
So his aunt and uncle that had been a part
of raising him had a little bit of a soft spot.
But this was red flag number one. Somebody is like
(21:35):
he needs different help. He doesn't need to keep getting
thrown in these schools that are beating him and not
keeping an eye on him and where he's around bad influences.
He needs help.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Aggressive and anti social are almost never in the same
discression of one person. When they are, that's how you
know there's a fucking problem. Okay, aggressively anti social hmm, yeah,
that's like.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's like a literal brewing for dangerous. Yeah. But even
though his aunt had a good intention, it didn't take
long for him to find trouble again. It's just a
part of him at this point. He was caught raping
a boy at knife point in January of nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Jesus fuck.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He was then moved to the Federal Reformatory in Petersburg,
Virginia and held, and then onto a maximum security reformatory
in Ohio. So he's gone full circle now. Yeah. He
was set to remain there until November of nineteen fifty five,
when he would turn twenty one years old, but he
was released a little bit early in May of nineteen
(22:46):
fifty four for good behavior, which surprises me, and then
went back to living with his aunt and uncle. I
understand the unruliness of this upbringing, but he wasn't exactly
set up for success. It's also challenging because lawing somebody
up until they're illegal adult isn't a solution for reform either.
But you know, we've kind of discussed that. So in
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January of nineteen fifty five, Charles married a hospital waitress
named Rosalie Rody Jane Willis. They were a true prime
match made in heaven because they pull a car and
were arrested in Las Vegas following this wedded bliss. Nothing
says a romantic honeymoon, like let's steal a car together, babe.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean for someone who's like it a thrill seeker,
that sounds like a perfect honeymoon. Also, that name, I'm sorry,
but she is a great fucking name. That is amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's why I had to put her whole name in here,
because I'm like, you can't shorten that to anything else.
It just sounds like she sounds like a character that
I would write a book about, you know, like she
exactly She's like a Bonnie and Clyde type.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yes, the kind of character who would rob ert steal
a car and travel with it for her honeymoon, but
get away with it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean he really shouldn't have let her go.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
As a result, though, his probation was broken from driving
across state lines and he was sentenced to serve three
years in prison. So now as a legal adult, there's
no more reformatory schools. It's just straight prison. And get this,
Rosalie was pregnant and would give birth to their son,
Charles Manson Junior, in April of nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Could he legally call him Charles Manson Jr?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, his names just Manson? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
you're not a June. Yeah, you're Manson Junior. I guess technically, Yeah,
that's weird. It is weird. And no surprise that child
has long gone on to change their name.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Rosalie would continue to visit Charles in prison, but eventually
those visits would get shorter and shorter and eventually stop altogether,
and he learned that she was now with another man.
In September of nineteen fifty eight, Rosalie would file for divorce.
So things did not improve for Charles after this, And
(25:18):
to be clear, he did all of this himself. Who
can feel bad for his upbringing, but not for him
as he is as an adult. He would be in
and out of prison for the next nine years, one
for things such as prostitution of a sixteen year old
girl and attempting to cash a US Treasury check, and
(25:42):
for stealing cars. He was described by probation reports as
quote suffering from a marked degree of rejection, instability, and
physic and psychic trauma, and constantly striving for status and
secure loving of some kind. He was unpredictable and only
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safe under supervision. No, nothing good there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, that's we're noticing a pattern here.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is two reports now by professionals in this industry
that are saying he shouldn't be let out and he
needs psychiatric help. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And also that middle piece sounded like a really fans
of fancy way of saying mommy issues.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh total mommy, but also driving for status and exactly
and kind of love.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. But also there are plenty people with mommy issues
who don't murder people.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So after his release in March of nineteen sixty seven,
Charles was really not adjusting well, no shock, He's spent
his entire upbringing in institutions leading up to his release.
He actually told prison authorities that prison had become his
home home and asked if he could stay, but they
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did not let him stay because prisons are grossly overpopulated
and our systems are broken.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They are so broken, and I'm not surprised that he
asked to stay. I personally have known people who went
to prison who got out and like, I can't find
a job, I can't make any money, I don't have
anywhere live. If I go back to prison, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, then they'll purposefully do something. You'll go back to prison.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, and guess what. In prison, they get a free room,
a free bed, free food. Even though it's not great.
The world is not easy, especially on prisoners or people
who are ex convicts.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, it's a very broken system, and it's unfortunate because
if people were given a little bit more opportunity to
get back on their feet, maybe that would not be
a pattern, and if they were properly reformed and helped
within the institutions, they would be It's all to go outside.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
All because the people who don't want to hire these
ex convicts know that the prison system is not reforming them.
So if the prison system reformed them in the first place.
Then people wouldn't be so quick to judge an ex
convict and would be able to give them a chance,
and then they'd want to get out, and they'd want
to do good. It's a whole fucking circle that starts
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with better prisons.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I agree. Upon his release, he immediately left Los Angeles
and moved to Berkeley, just outside of San Francisco. He
did check in with his parole office following his arrival,
even though that normally would have been a violation him leaving,
and he was put under the care of a criminology
researcher and federal probation officer named Roger Smith. He worked
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at the hate Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, which reportedly received
funding from the CIA to study the effects of drugs
like LSC and methanmphetamines within the district. This area was
known for their counter culture movement, which challenged traditional authority,
encouraged alternative lifestyles, and advocated for peace, love, and social justice.
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It was the sticking it to the man of it,
all of it of the sixties and early seventies that
basically describes every like anti man movement that you can
think of, guys. So that when I heard the term
counter culture, I'm like, what does that mean? And I
was like, it was literally just that movement. Charles would
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end up moving into the heart of the city and
using LSD regularly. According to study documentations, the change in
Charles's personality during this time was quote the most abrupt
Roger Smith had observed in his entire professional career end quote,
which how many red flags are we at now? Well?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But also if he was a red flagon before and
this is the most abrupt change, is he now green flagons?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And how well? No, I think he's hit the whole spectrum.
I think he's gone from one end to fucked up
to the other. Jesus Well, you've seen videos of Charles
Manson right, like it's it's an experience. I do have
one clip that I'm going to insert at the end
of this recording for our listeners just to get an
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idea if you've never seen an interview with him, because
not only is it really hard to follow and a
little bit amusing, but it's just like it's intriguing at
the end of the day, like he managed to convince
people to do these things for a reason, Like yes,
they were you know, easily influential young girls and like
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things like that as well. But it's also just like
he was. I don't want to say charming because that's
not the word, but he was something you guys will see.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Ramble from twelve to fifteen, Kai Karate from age five
to seventeen. Now you've got all your kids out here
doing these crazy things. Now you want to come and say,
Charlie Manson is.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
The father of our country.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
We're convicting you for being Jesus Christ. We're convicting you
for being the devil. We're convicting you for being responsible
for our actions. I'm not responsible for anyone's actions but
my own actions.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
In my whole life, I've fergilized the grocery store, sold
some nickels and dimes, busted open its stamp machines, stole
a few automobiles, and cashed a couple of checks.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm a petty carthy.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I've been with prostitutes and bums and winos and all
my life. The street is my world. I don't pretend
to go uptown and be anything fancy can, but I
find more real in the world that I'm in than
(32:06):
I do the tinsel, and the real world is the
one I have to deal with every day. You believe me,
if I started murdering people, could.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Be none of you left.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The one thing that Charles Manson seemed to have going
for him, though, is that he was actually a talented musician,
and I think this helped with his ever growing number
of female followers. Not only do hippies love sticking it
to the man, but they also love, you know, rock stars.
He learned how to read music and play the guitar
while in prison, and it kind of was a passion
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of his outside of wreaking general havoc. That and he
was providing them with LSD and without knowing it, proving
even providing even more people to test the effects of
the drug against. It was the late sixties and early
seven these hippie movements, so people were all about free
love and you know, sex, drugs of rock and roll,
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so exactly convinced them to be like, hey, I have
free LSD. Do you want to get high together? Yeah,
no problem. And these girls followed him everywhere they were.
Even they even converted this old bus with tassels and
carpet and paint and drove all around the city in it.
Charles had established himself as this guru type in the community,
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and his family were dubbed the Manson family. I'm going
to tell you about the followers that are relevant to
our stories, and Cera is going to cover a few
of them in part two. Relevant in the stories and
the crime because there were so many and most of
them did absolutely nothing wrong and don't need to get
called out, and this story could be eighteen pages long
(33:53):
just in part one. So the first of his many
followers was Mary Brunner. She was a twenty three year
old life library assistant from the University of California, Berkeley.
She was originally from Mauclair, Wisconsin, and after graduating, she
settled into this job in San Francisco. When she met Charles,
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the two clicked instantly and actually ended up moving in together.
This group would grow quickly to thirty five people, with
the majority being underaged girls. They all shared the passion
of sticking it to the man and living an unconventional
lifestyle and taking psychedelic drugs, so they found their people
(34:38):
within each other. Susan Atkins met Charles Manson at a
house where she was living with several of her friends,
and they had been throwing a party when Charles was
there playing the guitar. She had been working as a
sex worker up until this point, and when her house
was raided just weeks later, it left her homeless. So
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Charles invited him invited her to live with them. Lenna
Alice from was better known as Squeaky. She was nineteen
years old and kicked out of living with her family
after she dropped out of college. Charles seemed to have
predicted this in her and believed and she believed him
to be a psychic, falling for his charms immediately, so
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he was like, you you their child, you got kicked
out and you're down on your luck. Come with me.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's how I pictured it going, as that seems perfect
perfectly how it went, for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Tricia Creenwinkle met Charles Nansen when the bus rolled up
in Manhattan in Manhattan Beach along with Lynnette and Mary,
and he convinced her to come with them as well.
You know this party bus of the original party bus
of people as driving around beaches in California and Hi,
who what young twenty something year old doesn't want to
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be like, oh yeah, that sounds like let's go hang out.
He was allegedly one of the first people in her
life to call her beautiful, so for her it was
love at first sight. He used his music and sorry,
he used music in his warnings and manipulated the meanings
of lyrics. Helter skelter was an invention, an invented word
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that he used insinuating that the world was under a
race war. He also used the Beatles for example, maybe
you've heard of them. The music video was meant to
be a metaphor for the rise and fall of the
Roman Empire, but Charles interpreted it to be a beginning
of a race war. If the Beatles are telling us
(36:41):
about this, it must be true. There was also a
rival group known as the Black Panthers at the time,
and by rival group, I mean just representing black community
members and people were extremely racist at the time. Additional
songs like Blackbirds by the Beatles were used to serve
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as a warning as well. I mean, you can take
whatever meaning from a song that you'd like, but pushing
racially motivated and hateful messages can be problematic, as we.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
See kind of sounds like when people read the Bible
and then like interpreted it different.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And that they could have potentially harmful consequences. Yeah, especially
when you had reached like Charles Manson did two young,
impressionable and drugged up girls. The core of his velocity
was a kind of Armageddon type movement. Charles preached that
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the black man was going to rise up and start
killing the whites and turn the cities into an inferno
of racial revenge. Okay. Charles started working with a music
teacher named Gary Hinman, who would go on to introduce
him to Dennis Wilson in of the Beach Boys. Dennis
and Charles hit it off right away. The man was
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honestly just fascinated that he had this just group of
girls in this whole bus, you know, like he was
living this hippie dream. In fact, Charles Manson attracted so
many followers they could no longer fit on the bus anymore,
and moved into an abandoned ranch in the San Fernando
Valley of California.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Does that make the other guy like a complete fucking
idiot for like not noticing the red flags, like.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like Dennis Wilson.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, like just be like, oh, wow, are following you?
That's cool?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, No, dude was learning, Yeah, he was thinking with
his penis.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, of course makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So they moved the to this little small commune that
would escalate into Manson's girls believing that he was Jesus
and really falling for this race war thing. Dennis Wilson
then on to introduce Charles to a record producer named
Terry Melcher. He was the son of actress Doris Day
again maybe you've heard of her. After initially showing interest
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in Charles's music, though, he thought that it was possible
that he would be a liability and decided and decided
not to sign him on. This action would set the
rest of our story into motion. Gary was good to
Charles and his family, even letting him stay with him
from time to time. But on July twenty seventh, nineteen
(39:35):
sixty nine, the musician and UCLA undergraduate was alone at home.
Charles for some reason believed that he had inherited a
large sum of money and sent some of his followers
to his house to try and convince him to give
it up. The followers were Bobby Bouschel, Susan Atkins, and
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Mary Brunner. When he denied having any money and not
knowing what they were talking about, Charles arrived with a
sword and slashed his face and his ear. Bobby would
then fatally stab Gary Hinman to death. That's what fatally
(40:18):
stabbing means. But okay, before leaving, they used his blood
to write political piggy and a black Panther symbol on
the wall, possibly to mislead any police officers into thinking
that the Black Panther Party was responsible for the murders.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And this is the point where I'm like, what the
fuck are his followers following? Because if you are going
to blame someone who you think is doing bad things,
but do not comprehend that you are now doing the
bad thing and blaming someone who didn't do the bad thing.
(40:58):
You've never seen them do a bad thing. Why are you?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Ugh, it's just called brainwashing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I know. I just when it gets to that point,
I'm like, this is the cult of it all though it.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Doesn't make sense. I know, I know, drugs. Maybe that's it, drugs, jukes,
We're gonna have a rainbow that comes across the screen.
He just says, hugs, not drugs. You guys should follow
(41:35):
us on YouTube if you would like more of that nonsense.
Bobby Boshell was arrested on August sixth, nineteen sixty nine
after being found driving Gary's car with the murder weapon
in the tire well. He was convicted and sentenced to death,
but his sentence was commuted to life in prison when
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the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty on constitutional
in nineteen seventy two. Bobby was denied parole multiple times,
with his most recent denial occurring in October of twenty sixteen.
Gary Hyndman's death set off a series of murders by
the Manson family, including the infamous Tate Labianka's killings in
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August of nineteen sixty nine. Those have been extensively covered
in media, and most recently in the Netflix documentary Chaos
the Manson Murders, which was one of our sources for
these episodes. Later, Gary's family expressed that his life and
contributions are more significant than the tragedy of his death.
(42:42):
His cousin, Charlotte Hood emphasized that the family remembers him
for his life and not just being a victim of
Charles Manson. But Sierra is going to pick up on
the chaos no pun intended. That is to follow in
Part two, and that is our Part one. Two hundred
(43:06):
episode bonus. Ah, tell me your thoughts thus far.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I mean, you know, it's fucking Charles Manson. How can
you not think that he's I don't know, crazy, while
also thinking how did this happen? Well, I don't know.
It's just it's mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He is both fascinating and terrifying.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I've seen part of his uh, his his brain, his
brain dust in a jar at A. I don't think
it's brain dust. I don't want to say brain. Is
it part of his brain that Zach Begins has or
is it part of his ashes? Hold on Zach Begans?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Is he When did he die?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Charles Manson?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Wasn't that recent?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Whoa like in the last ten years?
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oh, it's okay, Sorry, it's not any of what I
just said. I saw Charles Manson's teeth on display at
Began's Contee Museum and seventeen. Yeah, it was. Well, no,
it's not recent now, but it felt recent when it happened.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I know what you mean, it in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, gross, I didn't realize that they were teeth. I
heard because we were in like a big group of
people and I heard them talking about something with Charles Manson.
But that was when I had heard like a woman's
voice or something, and so I was so distracted by
that because it was like the whole serial killer room
(44:51):
and I was really creeped out. That's so his teeth
I witnessed gross gross, real gross. Also teeth are gross. Yeah,
and that's not even my thing. That's Sierra's. And speaking
of my things instead of something happy to talk about
and something that we just want to talk to you
(45:11):
guys about. As a two hundredth episode special coverage, we
are going to talk about some of my favorite episodes
and Sierra's favorite episodes of mine, and we are going
to do the same big and part two for hers.
Before anyone yells at me and is like Heiera's episode
so good too, Yes, they're fucking good. That's why we're
(45:33):
doing a whole segment dedicated to her. And we wanted
to do this at the end because some of you
just like to skip to the case. And that's okay too.
I got my first I'm gonna pause it really quick
to tell you about this. Okay, we're gonna talk about
welcome back. But on that note, tell me, do you
(45:58):
want me to go first, or do you want to
go first? Don't?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Okay, we can go back and forth because we're doing
we're doing. Maybe people have the same rabbit train.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I used it again. Okay, so see here, I don't
even know where a rabbit Where did rabbit train come from?
I forget you.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Were trying to say rabbit hole and something about a
train and the train of thought.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Maybe yeah, yeah, rabbit train came out. Okay. So I'm
gonna go from the episode one hundred to episode two hundred. Yes,
I'm going from oldest to newest. So okay. So my
first favorite on my list is episode one, Unsinkable Violet,
(46:40):
the lady that survived both the Britannica and the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Same really, Yes, it's so funny that one Violet Jessup
was the cool.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Icon icon I love. I love a serendipitous moment too
in history. Hen why uh? The Shared Hate Jean Harlowe
episode fascinated me so much? And when I saw that,
I just because the Titanic is my other Roman empires,
so naturally I had to. I had to do that episode.
(47:14):
And I'm glad that I was able to share something
new with you.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, and with Sissy's ridiculous Titanic infatuation, Like it really
I really like learning about that.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I think that Sis was definitely a past life survivor
of the Titanic. Like that's the only reason. Yeah, it's
that fascinated or died. There's no other explanation.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Maybe she died on the Titanic. You know That's what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Like, oh, yeah, true, true, that makes more sense. And
I lied. I'm going to go back one more episode
in my top five, in my puckwudgy episode. Yeah, episode
one sixteen b Lister Kryptis was a fun episode that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Was in my top ten, but I had to go
down to talk to Hero. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I really enjoy the categories and different stories that we
do in All Things Twisted because we get to have
lighthearted episodes and more serious episodes than I love doing
cryptids and I hope that we never run out of
cryptids to cover people needed to keep discovering the ghost
pants of the world.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Okay, yes, please my lowest other than Vila Jessa, because
you just did that one is episode one two might
not be paranormal, but it's not normal with the Trump family.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I loved because I had researched it myself also and
wanted to cover it, but just hadn't done enough of it.
I had it written down. I was like, I had
heard of it. I was like, this is crazy. I've
got to do more. And then when I found out
you were covering it, I was like, now I don't
have to research it. You just tell me about it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, I actually think you said that on that episode. Yeah, God,
I did that one.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah that was good.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It's still like a mystery, you know what I mean?
Like how? Why? What? Like that's one of the craziest
fucking things. Why did those people act like that? Maybe
it's so I'm settling.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
It's like a folly dure of it all, but not
yea like five of them. Yeah, I think I need
to go back and re listen to that episode because
so I'm curious. I don't know if you've noticed this
as well, but like even in just how we write
notes or how we tell stories now is so different,
like from writing past us. So past us might have
(49:45):
a theory, but the present tut might have a totally
different theory. So now I'm like, I need to refresh
my mind. A little bit.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
My next favorite is nothing equol about it. The Kamloops Institutions,
Slash housing facility, the sanatorium, the abandoned one in cam Loops.
I think that that history is super fascinating. I think
(50:16):
that the the fact that it's still there and it's
as large as it is and it's just totally untouched. Still,
the fact that it was five different types of institutions
while it was around, it's the haunting of it all
is too much for me to ignore. And it's literally
(50:37):
like four hours away from me. I have no excuse.
I just need to bring our equipment there. I just
need to go. But I'm scared. I'm scared to do it.
But I did really enjoy covering it. I did really
enjoy learning about the history because I find that most
of my stories NAVI gravitate outside of Canada. I shouldn't
say most. I'm literally scrolling and I'm like, oh that,
(50:59):
what was happening? That happened again. But I think it's
cool when I can find something that's so rich in
a history close to my home. And I remember reading
at the end like a bunch of real accounts of
people whose family members had stayed there and stuff, and
it was just like really raw, just fascinating but horrible.
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History is horrible, as we've learned about today, but also
I'm glad I got to learn about it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
My next is in your top ten.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I feel like I'm doing an NFL draft or something.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
In it. My next one, number three is episode one
sixty one, What happened in Aruba with Max Devise. I
still to this day, like my friends take a year
every year take a vacation to somewhere in the Caribbean Islands,
(51:57):
and one of them mentioned Aruba, and they're like, you
guys got and you're like, no, no, no, I will
never There's another story that I have to cover in
the next one hundred episodes of ours that also took
place in a round. There's so many in Aruba, and
none of them are good. What the look is happening?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You know, I think that it's like a trafficking hotspot.
It's got to be Like I still think even a
little fortunately what happened to Max, Like I don't think
that he was I don't think that that he killed
him on the water, but he sold him. Yeah, and
that Max spot while he was put on that boat.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, that's terrifying, scary. What's your next?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm honored that you liked that one, because that one
was hard to research. Kids, even teenage boy stuff fucks
me up.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna say I wanted to go right. Yeah.
And it's not like, oh I love this case. It's
more like, I am so glad that I know and yeah, yeah,
because they did it before.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I definitely get that. Okay. Another favorite of mine was
I might go back to it, guys. I'm gonna be
honest here. I didn't pick my five favorites because I
just had a hard time with it and I was
gonna do it on the fly and make myself choose
because I overthink everything. I have like twelve of Sierra's
so suffer from.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
I eliminated one.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
With cheating this episode, so it's fine. Another one that
I really enjoyed doing was episode one seventy two, Lord
Dexter Shine Forevermore. That is the quirkiest man I have
ever read about in history. Secondary to the guy in
your Marie Antoinette story. The game, I forget his first name,
(53:48):
but you have to cover him on his own point.
But Lord Dexter was kind of like that same flashy,
very out there for his time period guy, and that
even though he was a total asshole, like scolding his
wife for not reacting appropriately at a spake funeral, right, yeah,
when we did faked death crimes. So I still can't
(54:12):
believe that that was a real man, I know. Yeah,
it was just a fun episode, and that was a
good one.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
My Wood. Fourth one is episode. Sorry, I don't have
the names of them.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I just have the people that I'm on our website.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
I'm cheating a little bit. Episode one seventy aliens are
in the ocean because we fucking knew what was coming. Okay,
alien in the ocean, all right, they fucking are and
that the what is it, the Pasca Goula? Is that
how you say it? Pascoola objection? Yeah? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That was another one ever Alien abduction too. I've left
them all to you. Oh wow, that's another.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
One that I've I have known about this for a
long time. One day I planned uncovering it and it's like,
now I don't have to thank you. Thank you for
telling me all of the little details.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
And the way that the Pasca Goula abduction described their aliens. Yeah,
reminded me a little bit of your aliens on your
most recent They're a normal one that still gives me yes,
and just like the the smooth skinned like version of it,
(55:31):
their descriptions, not the bugs part. Still never okay with
the bugs part. Yeah, but it just it goes to
show you that, like something is in the water, yeah,
that we shouldn't be ignoring.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
I was at the beach today and there was a
dead fish, which is disgusting, but it someone was fishing
and I guess their line snapped and the fish died somehow.
It was floating on top of the water, still had
a line and it's not anyway. It floated up to
shore near shore, and so some of the people swimming
(56:05):
took it out of the water because they didn't want
it to attract sharks.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Fair, I have no fucking idea what kind of fish
it was like. It looked like a fucking alien. Okay,
it was a creepy alien. It might have been an alien.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's why the minute it was caught, it was like, oh,
we have to disengage whatever.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Die now. Yeah, it was creepy.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Ew. Did you get to screep up.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
I didn't, but the people I was with did. I
wonder if they.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Posted it yet they need or if they didn't. Because
my other favorite episode speaking, I have to move away
from dead fish and aliens, yeah, or I won't sleep tonight.
Sheldon is not inflated for me to use this sacrifice
(56:59):
on the teck. He is currently deflated because I have
nowhere to put him but my other favorites. I'm torn
between the episode that I did on the School's cults
or the Prey Away the Gay Cult. Both highlight the
(57:21):
worst of the worst in terms of humanity, and just
learning about all of these people and their stories and
the lives that they're currently leading and the changes that
they're trying to make are just very inspiring.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
The program episode was one of mine that was in
my top ten, but it got bumped down because my
last one is episode one, Ghost Besies with Shila Isiak
and Angela. I love Shila Isaki. She's the coolest, like.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
And I'm still embarrassed that I never put two or
two together. Like I listened back to that episode, I'm like, fuck,
it's like the Solar System all over again. She Wa
Waisaki is common knowledge, like just not knowing that that
was her start to the world.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
True crime is just wild to me.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I love it, James, are glad you did that. Other
honorable mentions, okay are the ones that were in my
top ten because we'reeting. I know, the Lost Boys of
Pickering those episode one to seven. That's really good one.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
I liked half of them. I think the water Aliens
got them, possibly because that was on a great lake.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, those are trouble uha. In one twelve, just because
so many people like followed that and didn't realize it
was super culty.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
The amount of people that I know that go to
bikram yoga now I'm just like, I still do it, Guys,
I can't. I won't even go to a single even
if they're not owned by that group anymore and they
just have the name or whatever I use to support it.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
And then one three with Tracy Cusick she did not
fucking drown into toilet Okay, Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Was That has been my top grouping as well, because
I remember you being like, she has a neck people,
that's not how that works. It was so funny, it's
so obvious, like that's not how human.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
It upsets me more.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
Head would have hit things. Okay, yeah, it upsets me
too because he fucking got away with it.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred episodes. One hundred really good episodes.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
I know we've had some good ones. It's I'm glad
that we do this every hundred episodes because it would
just get too hard otherwise. But yeah, our first hundred
episode was a little bit crazy. Was that the Was
that the Nick Jonas tequila episode?
Speaker 2 (59:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (59:59):
No, that was our contiversary episode.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, that was a partiversary. O. One hundredth episode was
the West Memphis three.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yes, but we didn't combine those two things.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
That's what I meant, correct.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I know we did the West Memphis three, and that
was a favorite episode of mine. In general, that story
will haunts me to this day. I know that that
is your Roman Empires.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yes, stresses me out.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, I'm glad that we, between the two of us
are minds, have covered the realm of true crime anyway. Happy,
don't try and kill people, guys, God, don't kill people.
Don't try to kill people. Don't kill people. Name your
(01:00:43):
children when their birth don't just send them home with
them right on their birth certificate. Choose love, I tell
your child for a beer. If it's better for them,
they're going to have a better life for it. In
nineteen thirty four, Okay, love love, love, love, and we
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love all of you, and thank you so much for
listening for another one hundred episodes. Don't forget to leave
those ratings, don't forget to check out our Patreon.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
And tell us, tell us how you do your hearts?
Is it? Is it millennial? Is it I can't help?
Or is it Jenn Alpha?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What the fuck is that?
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
This is a little teeny tiny heart They do this now?
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Why?
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I didn't even know what you were doing until you
had to explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
One uh two I really.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Struggled out with my fingers. Yeah, it looks like I'm
having like a massive hand cramp. Yeah, one two three, Yeah,
clearly anyway, Yeah, thank you guys so so much. We
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will see you next week four, part two of our
coverage and are reminiscing on Cierra's episodes, and we love
you so so much. In the meantime, keep it Twist, Twisted, Twisted,
and Uncorked is hosted and produced by Sierra Zuren and
Alicia Watson. If you like the show. Don't forget to
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