June 24, 2025 • 51 mins
We are picking right back up where we left off in our coverage of Charles Manson and the Manson Family murders. Sharon Tate is our Roman Empire. We end this weeks episode with some reminiscing on Sierra's last 100 episodes and be sure to stick around to the end for special announcements!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Twisted Humans. Do you find yourself wanting to know
more about the latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, and welcome to episode two hundred, Part two. Oh
my gosh, I forgot to look at my own episodes.
Isn't that what we're doing instead of fun facts?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah? Or when we do that at the end, at
the end. Yeah, okay, Yeah, you're like, I just spent
amount of time living in another timeline.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh my goodness. Okay, so I maybe one of you
are here right here with me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I watched the Karen Reid trial live with a streamer
named Emily Deep and at one point she was talking.
She likes to talk about words that people use that
are crazy. But at one point she said a word
or something. Somebody said a word that I had never
(01:12):
heard before, and that word was extraporis And I was like,
what does that mean? And I was I was with Sissy,
and Cissy had my phone. I said, Sissy, google extraperss
She googled it and then she read me what it
meant and what it meant was something like when you're
being It was an adjective for being over the top
and something something, And I was like, oh, so like
(01:35):
extra when people call you extra. So I guess this
is what's happening in my brain. I guess people started
saying extra as the slang because it was formed after
the word extraperis. And I was like excited, like for once,
slang isn't you know some random bullshit like it actually comes.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
From a bigger word and now I know this bigger word.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm so glad I know, and blah blah blah. Anyway,
so I went to google extrapperis so I could read
you the exact definition, and it's not a word. Everything
that happened that day apparently was on a different timeline
because Sissy remembers it, but we can't find it anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And I know, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm pretty sad about it.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I believe you in this timeline. I believe you that
that exists. Maybe in this timeline you can be the
inventor of it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Who knows, well, no one wants to make a longer
word for a slang word. I just thought it was
cool that like the slang word was just a shortened
version of a long I know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know what, as far as I'm concerned, that's how
life is. That is, that's the fact. I accept it.
I'm sure other listeners do too. And if you think
that that's a word that you know.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
If you heard Emily de Baker say the word extreporis
the other day, all right, please let me know that
I'm not alone. Okay, anyway, we're going to get into
this case in all of the extraporouse information.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is Charles Manson, that is Charles wins.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
After we talk about some fun facts, Do you have.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A fun fact?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
My fun fact is eighties related, because that is the
decade that we are working in, and it is that
Sony named the Walkman after the Pressman audio recorder featured
popularity in the movie Superman in the nineteen eighties. They
originally called Walkman's a sound about in the United States
(03:40):
and a stowaway in the United Kingdom before landing on
the Walkman.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is way better than a what was he about?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The first one? A sound about?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh my god, all.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can you imagine if that had been what it was called,
I don't think it would have been nearly as popular
the luxurily of bringing music around with you or not.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's crazy. My my fun fact is about cicadas
because it is cicada season.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Uh not here.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We don't get cicadas this far south, but I know
that the Ohioans are dreading right now because the cicadas
are fiercely about. So the pokemon Paris and paraseect. Do
you know what these pokemon look like. It looks like,
(04:39):
I don't know, like a crab with a mushroom shell.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, okay, so pretty good description.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, these pokemon are actually most likely modeled after cicadas
that have massive massive spora, which is a fungus that
causes their to fall off and a mushroom to grow
out of that spot. In developing this fungus, the cgate
(05:11):
cicada is experiencing the same feel good effects that someone
would experience if they took magic mushrooms. It also makes
the cicada horny and makes it want to mate. But
their butts fell off, so they're actually just rubbing fungus
onto other cicadas. It's like a you know, that's how
(05:35):
the that's how the fungus spreads, Like I'm gonna make.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It feel like your bring bug back to the show anymore.
Between last week and this week. You're just cut off now, I.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Mean in the weirdest way.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think cicadas are real. Gross. I have not experienced
them being in Western Canada, but I didn't see a
dead one when I went to visits here in Nashville.
She put it directly in my hand like a monster.
She's like getting gas. She's like, you're disgusting. And the
(06:17):
fact that that's just a season that some people have
to live with. Like I said about prison last week, guys,
I am just not strong enough for that life. Okay,
before that's a reality, I just need to be honest.
I don't do bugs. I feel really bad. There was
a baby wolf spider in the showroom today and it
(06:40):
was on the wall that I have to walk by
to get to the door to go upstairs to the office.
So I walked by it unknowingly this morning opened the
whole showroom. And then when I was walking back to
I'm like, oh, well, I can't pass now, that's awkward.
So I told one of the and I was like,
(07:01):
how are you with spiders? Like are you willing to assist?
So one of them came and he killed it. I
felt so bad, and I was like, I would have
taken it outside if it was smaller than it was.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh if I can hear it moving about.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, that sounds. That seems like it would be really
big if you can hear it. If it's making sounds,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I feel bad. Anyways, that whole rant was about how
I don't like bugs shocker. I'm also not a huge
fan of Charles Manson, but I am a huge fan
of this drink.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's such a good one. So obviously we're sticking with
our Moscow mule. However, I found one this time that
was a little different. It is from Sorry, I'm trying
to find out. I want to give credit. Thirsty Tales
is where this one's from. And it's called dead Man's Mule,
(08:08):
and it has ginger beer and lime juice as usual,
but you also add cranberry juice and mint leaves.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I really like it because I already adminant leaves my
mule he too, so I think it's very tasty, and
I already like the combination of ginger and cranberry from
years of us making sangrias that way, so I'm here
for it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, apparently it's so good that I was a couple
of minutes late to recording because I had to make
one for me and then my brother, and then my
daughter and then Jesse, so everybody was.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like, oh, I want one, Will you make me one?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Jesus people, okay, okay, and they're delicious.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I just finished mine, so you know we have that.
But I do as a backup have a peach vodka
iced tea, so oh no, I've brought that to the table.
Mine is exactly the same as siras, except I added
the booze to mine because it has been a fucking week.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, that is that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Also, I love that your recipes have come from dead
Man's dead Man's what that you just said.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Dead Man's Mules with the dead.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Man's mules and Pirate's booty in the last few episodes,
Serea's on like some pirate chain of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I am thinking of decorating our guest bathroom in like
crack and type yeah stuff like.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Spooky yes, yes, let me know if you can find
a cracking shower curtain, because and it has to be
like dark and purple. I will I will look, keep
us posted the news that we are dying for. Yes,
we're not doing a promo. Okay, We're just gonna take
(10:08):
a quick break.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
All right, we are going to take a quick break
and we will get back into Charles Nansen Boom Do
Do Do Do.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I left that in last week because I thought it
was funny. I went bomb bomb bomb and you went
bomb bomb bomb. It was funny. All right, don't forget
to add a break in the midst in the midst.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Of in the midst of okay, of recording, remember name.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Hopefully you didn't have to addit too much of my
roman sentences.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I type the way that I think and I read
the way that I think, so it's fine, But for
other people it's terrible. I worry about this when I
write em. Sometimes I'm like what most people be thinking.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can definitely when I read yours, I
can read it in your voice. But I'm always like,
this is what I mean, my voice. They need to
change it to my voice. So anyway, girl, No, it's okay,
all right. When we left off in part one, Charles
Manson and some of his followers had just gone to
(11:26):
the home of Gary Hinman and killed him because they
believed that he had come into some money that he
refused to hand over. This was the summer of sixty nine. Sadly,
as we all know, this was just the beginning of
their murder spree. Terry Melcher, the record producer that Alicia
(11:47):
mentioned in Part one, the son of Doris Day that
refused to sign Charles Manson Music, had previously rented a
home at one zero zero five zero see low Drive
as a hit on Terry. Charles ordered his followers to
go there and kill everyone inside, no matter who. On
August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. That is exactly what they did,
(12:11):
except Terry did not live there anymore. The home was
now lived in by movie producer Roman Roman Polanski and
his wife, actress Sharon Tate. Sharon was eight months pregnant
and was spending time with a few friends at home
on that August night. In attendance was writer Voichek Freikousiki,
(12:33):
coffee heiress Abigail Folger Love the Buttery Carmel by the Way,
and celebrity hairstylist and Sharon's close friend Jay Seabring, a
friend of the grounds caretaker named Stephen parent was also
at the house visiting. Let's talk about them for a moment.
(12:56):
Voichek Fraikowski was from Poland and was trying to meet
it as a writer in Hollywood. When he was young,
he was labeled as being a troublemaker. That wasn't exactly true,
but he did get into a fistfight at a school
dance where he met his lifelong friend Roman Polanski. Quote
beneath his tough exterior, Voychek was good natured, soft hearted
(13:19):
to the point of sentimentality, and utterly loyal end Roman
would later say about his friend. Over time, Roman and
Voycheck would join forces in film together. In nineteen sixty two,
when Roman was making a short film called Mammals, Voycheck
took the role as his film's financier.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Which is just like a glorified title for like movie babysitter.
That's super problem. I think they just wanted to hang
out as friends.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah. He allegedly lived off of the inheritance from his
father's illicit currency exchange business and enjoyed a rich way
of life despite having very little income coming in as
a Hollywood writer. He enjoyed partying and being around American girls,
and he went on to date Abigail Folger. Abigail Folger
(14:10):
was the daughter of Folger's Coffee president, Peter Folger. Maybe
you've heard of it. She had worked as a social worker.
She loved to read, and she was a little more
reserved and shy. The couple met for a mutual friend
and hit it off immediately. They eventually moved to la
together in an effort to advance Volchek's career, but it
(14:33):
proved to be difficult for the two and they soon
fell into regular drug use at parties and get togethers.
The couple agreed to house it at the sel Drive
home while Sharon and Roman went to London for Roman's work,
but as Sharon was getting farther and farther along in
her pregnancy, it was no longer safe for her to fly,
(14:54):
so she stayed home. Voychek and Abigail agreed to stay
anyway because so close to her due date. This way
they could help and she could rest. The group planned
to get dinner together at the l Coyote Restaurant, where
j Sebring joined as well. A little refresher from episode
one fifty five, j Sebring was born Thomas John Coomer
(15:19):
in nineteen thirty three. That said nineteen ninety three at first,
by the way, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's not right. Yeah, that's the year we were born.
That's my year. Actually, you want to know something funny
is that is from your episode one fifty five notes.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Oh my gosh, I wrote nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
N I didn't even catch it because it looked right,
but yeah, that's the year.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I wonder if I said nineteen ninety three. No, surely
I did not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Now I have to go back and listen. It would
be really funny if you did, and everyone's like, wait, what, wait,
what what timeline are we in?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
J Sebrings born Thomas John Coomer in nineteen thirty three
in Birmingham, Alabama, but grew up in Michigan. After graduating
high school, he served in the US Navy for four
years and then moved to Los Angeles to attend beauty school,
become a hairstylist and changed his name Jay Spring. Became
a renowned hairstylist, changing the way men's hair was cut
(16:20):
and styled in Hollywood. While most barbers were charging a
few dollars for men's haircuts, Jay was able to charge
fifty dollars or more for the techniques that he knew,
and had clients like Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Junior
who paid him to travel to them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Wild concept also like super fucking cool, like flex right,
I just style people, Sarah, I don't cut it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
He dated to Sharon Tate for a bit, but in
the end they decided to just be friends. Sharon Tate
was born January of nineteen forty three in Texas. As
a child, she and her family moved around a lot,
and she attended school in multiple cities in Texas, Washington,
and even Italy. Her first acting roles were in Italy
(17:07):
after going to a film set and catching the eye
of actor and filmmaker George Baymer, who encouraged her to
get into acting herself. When she finally moved to Los
Angeles in nineteen sixty two, she called Richard's agent and
he helped her land a few gigs. This led her
to meeting Jay Sepring. The two had a great relationship
(17:28):
but an even stronger friendship. At one point, Jay did
propose to Sharon, but she declined the marriage proposal, saying
that she intends to retire from acting when she marries,
and she's not ready to do that yet. Even after
the relationship ended, though the two remained close close that
does not have a day at the end. So on
August eighth, nineteen sixty eight nine, nineteen sixty nine. Sorry
(17:53):
so On August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. After dinner, the
group went back to Sharon and Romans to keep the
night going. They arrived around ten pm. As it got later,
Abigail had gone up to the guest room. Sharon and
Jay fell asleep talking, and Voichek slept right there on
the couch in the living room. Tex Watson, Patricia Krinwinkle,
(18:18):
Linda Cassabian, Is that right, Casseavian? I was like, where
does the emphasis go? Linda Kasevian and Susan Atkins drove
to the house on se Low Drive. Linda Kassavian is
a new name into our story. She grew up in
New England and overall was a good kid and a
(18:41):
good student. She had a tough upbringing, though her family
fell into hard times financially and her father left the
family as a result when she was still young. Linda
ran away when she was sixteen due to problems with
her new stepfather. She got married to a friend named
Robert Peasley, but then divorced him time later. She moved
(19:01):
to Miami afterward in an attempt to reconnect with her dad,
who was supposedly bartending there, but didn't want to see her.
And Linda then moved to Boston, where she would begin
a new life. She got married again, gave birth to
a daughter in nineteen sixty nine, and became pregnant again.
Linda wasn't happy in her relationship anymore, and when a
(19:22):
friend of hers mentioned a ranch of hippies establishing a paradise,
she was intrigued, so she and her daughter left to
go meet and live with Charles Manson.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
If she had seen photos, she would have known it
was no paradise. They shitt in buckets, just said.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Her Later testimonies would play a large role in the trial.
Tex Watson is another key player in the Manson family
that we haven't talked about yet. Born Charles tex Watson,
he was a straight A student growing up. When he
went off to college, he experimented a little with drugs,
(20:05):
and this is when he got into trouble. According to
his family, in nineteen sixty six, he dropped out of
school and started dealing drugs in California. Shortly after this,
he joined the Manson family. He enjoyed working for Charles
and became one of his main guys. When the group
pulled up to the house, Stephen sorry and that needs
(20:28):
a bigger pause, became one of his main guys. This
is probably about the time where we should take a break,
you think, Yeah, we're about to get We're about to
get crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I know in a terrible fucking way. Oh I hate
the story. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I literally had like tie like I wrote skeleton notes
of like the timeline of events, and then I left
Sharon Kate's murder like blank for a really long time,
like I wrote everything else around it, and I packed
that's the last thing I have to write.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I give like the PG description, like you really tortured.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You gave a PG description And I still cut some
of it out because I was like, I can't say that.
I can't say it, like it just it hurts me
to say I.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Can't it does it makes me feel sick when I
think about what they went through that night. I read,
uh in my research, I read an article written. I
don't know if you read it too when you did
your research, but by his J. C. Briggs nephew, and
he's like, my uncle didn't just stand idly by, like
(21:48):
he fucking fought while they were tortured. Like it's horrible,
like animalistic doesn't even describe their behavior.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, oh, no.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
If any if ever anybody needed a reason to be like,
drugs are bad, this is drugs. This is this is
this is the example.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
However, well just not all important differentiation. Yes, there is
an important differentiation. Don't do drugs right bo, or do
drugs safely in a safe environment and with people that
you feel comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Don't leave the house. Okay, how are you ready break
the law?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'll just start making a children's channel. Don't do this. Yeah,
I'm sorry that you have to cover this part.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I know it's awful.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We knew it. We knew it when we said we
were spluning into two parts. You knew.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
When the group pulled up to the house, Steven parent
was just leaving after having visited with the grounds taker.
William Garretson. Stephen was eighteen and had just graduated from
Arroyo High School. He spent most of his time working
and was saving for college. He was there that night
because he was trying to sell a clock radio to William.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Just trying to save some money, right, that's like the
most eighties teenager thing you've ever said.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, a clock radio.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, just trying to make extra money. Ough.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
After the two had a beer together, Stephen went to
leave but was stopped by Tex Watson, who shot him
several times, killing him. He was in the wrong place
at the wrong time. They all were. The Manson family
group then broke into the sel drive home. Voichek was
(23:50):
woken up with Text holding a gun to him. He
was still a little intoxicated and asked Text who he
was and what he was doing. Text reply quote, I'm
the Devil and I'm here to do the Devil's best
business end quote. Then he, Susan and Patricia brutally murdered Voicheck.
(24:12):
First of all, I don't think the Devil would appreciate
you using his name to do such heinous things. Voichek
was stabbed fifty one times, bludgeoned, and shot twice. He
tried hard to fight back, attempting to take control of
the knife from Susan, who stabbed him, but he was
shot and killed by text. He would be found the
(24:35):
next day on the front porch by investigators. Abigail had
run out of the house trying to escape, but she
was tackled on the front lawn by Patricia Krenweakle and
stabbed twenty eight times. Jay and Sharon were brutally beaten
and tortured. Jay pleaded for Sharon and begged the attackers
(24:58):
to spare Sharon and her baby. In response, Tex shot
him and kicked him several times, breaking his nose and
eye socket. He then stabbed him another seven times. Like what.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When Jay was gone, Sharon pled for the life. Nope.
When Jay was gone, Sharon pleaded for the life of
her unborn child, offering to be taken hostage for enough
time to give birth, but she too would be tragically murdered.
She was stabbed sixteen times, and the group used her
(25:40):
blood to spell out the word pig on the front
door of the house. Sharon didn't know the sex of
her baby when she died, but she was so excited
to be a mom. When she was later buried, her baby,
a little boy, was placed in her arms.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh that's a heartbreaking visual, you know, I forgot. I
wrote that I'm sorry, but it's like a beautiful visual
but like heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah. Apparently, Once the group reported back, Charles was displeased
with the sloppiness of the murders so the right. So
the very next night he decided to accompany them in
trying again, because that makes sense. He along with Tex Watson,
(26:29):
Susan Atkins, Patricia Cernwinkle Krenwinkle. She doesn't deserve me to
say her name, right, yea. Leslie van Houton and Steve
Clem Grogan ended up outside the house of supermarket executive
and dad Leno LaBianca, where he lived with his wife, Rosemary.
(26:54):
Leslie van Houton, by the way, was from la and
grew up in a loving household with great parents. However,
her parents divorced when she was a teenager and she
took it particularly hard. Then she got pregnant by her
boyfriend and had an abortion, but the couple didn't take
that well and started doing acid together as a way
to cope. She crossed paths with Bobby bo schal bo
(27:18):
Shall with Bobby bow Shall and the Manson family in
nineteen sixty eight. She and he started dating suit after,
but she still felt empty back.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
To the group.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
When the group entered the Lobbyanca residence, the children thankfully
were not home, only Leno and his wife, Rosemary. Leno
Labbianka was a loving husband and father. His children were
only ever with him for summer vacations and holidays, but
he took being a dad seriously. He was very loving
and friendly to all. His wife, Rosemary was described as
(27:56):
a sweet soul and a loving stepmother as well. Leno
was woken up at gunpoint. While the group reassured him
they weren't going to hurt anyone, they tied him up
and brought Rosemary into the bedroom, also bound. Charles then
left the house and sent in his gang to carry
out the murders.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Which I know, what did you do? Just you were
a part of picking out the house and being like,
go my minions go Like I.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Don't think we'll ever know for sure what.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All he is doing, but yeah, if anyone else ever bored.
Side note, when you're caught up on Twist and Uncorked podcast,
take a little gander over at Charlesmanson dot com. That
website is the most in depth. It has photos, it
(28:51):
has I don't know who created this website and descriptions
of every single member of the Manson family. Like it
is a crazy website, so if anyone's ever born, feel
free to check it out. It is some of the
pages are sourced in our episode notes, but I'm just
(29:11):
saying it's.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Is run by the Manson family.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Don't know. It is an insane place to be. It's
kind of crazy Charlesmanson dot com. There's like there's descriptions
on every victim, every member, the trial and excruciating detail.
There's everything there.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So if it is a gracious.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Board, how about her?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Sorry, just for more information if we want people.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Leno LaBianca was brutally stabbed with both a carving knife
and a fork. Later the fork would be found sticking
out of his abdomen and the carving knife and in
his throat. Rosemary LaBianca was taken into the bedroom and
killed p Later, she was stabbed over forty times by
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Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie van Houten. After the murders, the
killers used the victim's blood to write on the walls
and the refrigerator rise death to Pigs and Helter Skelter,
which is misspelled. He thought the first one was lobby.
(30:31):
These fucking idiots don't even know how to spell uh.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, they're helter skeltering.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A few days after the murders, Manson's ranch was raided
on suspicion of car theft. Nothing was found and everyone
was let oh, but the police were not quite satisfied.
The Manson family left their ranch to a new ranch,
and in October the new one was raided. It was
around the same time in October that Bobby, who was
(31:01):
arrested in the Gary Hinman murder, gave police Susan Atkins's name.
She was then processed for Gary's murder. While in prison,
she told her cellmate that she killed Sharon Tate quote
because we wanted to do a crime that would shock
the world, that the world would have to stand up
and take notice. End quote. At this point, the murders
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had been all over the media. On November twelfth, nineteen
sixty nine, during an interview with a man named Al Springer,
a motorcycle a motorcycle gang member who knew Charles in passing,
said that he had mentioned killing people just days after
the murders, but didn't say who or elaborate. If you
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remember the way Charles Manson speaks from the clip we
played last week, you know that the conversation topic likely
changed fast. His ramblings are tough to follow, but after
this the pieces started to fall into place about the
back to back horrific murders and who was probably responsible.
Remaining gang members tried to flee the state, but were
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caught tex Watson was apprehended in Texas. Kind of funny
at the end of November texts in Texas. The Manson
family would be held in prison until their trial in
June of nineteen seventy, which is when Charles appeared in
court with the infamous X carved into his forehead, and
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over the next few days his followers began to do
the same thing to themselves. Charles, along with Susan Atkins,
Patricia Creenwinkle, and Leslie Van Houton, were charged with multiple
kinds of murder in the first degree. Linda Kaseaban Kasabian.
Linda Kaseabian had been acting as a lookout on the
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evening of August eighth and asked to be a witness
for immunity, testifying against the rest of the members and
giving an account of what happened that evening, during a
cross examination, a large photo of the Tate House crime
scene was shown. Linda quote shot a look across the
courtroom at the defendants and asked, how could you do that?
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The female defendants laughed and asked how she could be
so certain, considering her lsd us that she had not
participated in the murders. Linda replied, quote, because I don't
have that kind of thing in me to do something
so animalistic. End quote. Linda was the only one that
showed any resemblance of remorse among the group. The trial
(33:39):
lasted eighteen days, and all members were found guilty on
all counts and sentenced to death for the murders. However,
in nineteen seventy two, California abolished the death penalty and
their sentences were commuted to life imprisonment instead. Charles Manson
spent the remainder of his life in prison. He died
on November nineteen, twenty seventeen, from natural causes at the
(34:03):
age of eighty three. And recently, I don't remember if
it was Susan or Patricia attempted to get out. Actually
it might have been Leslie. I don't know. One of
the girls were up for parole and attempted to request
that parole and everyone was like fucking no, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It was Patricia Credwinkle and it was May of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Oh god, that was so recent.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, she's seven seventy seven years old. They said nor, Yeah,
they said no.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, they said no.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, They're like, we start her age, she's at little
risk of reoffending. She looks like a.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Scary Still no, but still no, you can't go.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
No, you don't get to. You don't get to kill
a group of young people and an unborn baby and
just keep living.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And have no remorse.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, you don't get to do that, oh Leslie Van.
He was released from present in twenty twenty three after
spending fifty three years behind bars, though not long enough now,
I don't even want to changing your name probably, but
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him dying of natural causes just feel so anticlimactic for
the person that he was. The theatrics, the shouting, the like,
it's just such a bizarre story. I just I don't
understand how it is bizarre and convince people to do
(35:53):
this like, well, I don't ever want to.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I don't ever want to even think about giving him
any excuse or anything, But there is always something in
the back of my mind that's like, were they experimented on?
Was the LSD? They were given some sort of experiment,
Like was that his own mind? Or was that the
(36:18):
ramblings of a madman who was made mad?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah? Super soldiers? Well kay, ultra projects. So I mean yeah, he,
like I said, he was unknowingly providing the government with
more people to experiment on with his members.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So he was unhappy.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't doubt it that for whatever he was up divided. Yeah,
just yeah, No, it doesn't excuse their behavior at all.
But it's just so sadistic. It's so like feral that
I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's gross, Like.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Who they didn't do anything to any of them, None
of them.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Did, yes, So there was literally no real to these people.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
The Forstom hit and then Gary Hinman.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
While no one deserves to be killed ever, and especially
not Gary Henman, and especially not for these reasons. At least,
they targeted this person for their own stupid reason. All
of the other people they didn't even know mean to target,
Like it wasn't even a target, it was random. It
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was so fucked so fucked, just awful awful, And.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The owner or sorry, the creator of Full House purchased
the land that the tape murders happened on and rebuilt
a mansion worth a casual twenty three million dollars and
no one wants to buy it. Yeah, I wouldn't. Just
because you tear down the house doesn't mean that that
(38:04):
isn't still there.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Also, two of the people were found outside of the
house anyway, they were on the ground. The land is
not even safe.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's a beautiful house, don't get me wrong, but it's
just like, yeah, I don't blame people for not wanting
to buy it one because it's three times the sighs
of the original house there and like sixteen times the
price and two people died there in a horrific way. Yeah,
and as far as I know, the Labyanca house is
(38:37):
still in the family. But just like, ugh, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
But yeah, still undecided on whether Charles Manson is purely
a cult or a serial killer or both. I think
(38:58):
after four years it would be really more of spree killing,
as it happened within two days, right, So yeah, Cault
is my final rolling with my hammer well.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
The ballot Gary Hinman wasn't the same time, So that
would make make them serial killers. That would make at
least Susan. Susan is a fucking serial killer. I don't
know about all the others. Susan was in fucking all
of them.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
True. Is she still in preason? Yeah, she's very.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Stillson that bit.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
She as people she's unhinged. Oh, she died in two
thousand and nine. Yeah, that bitch. Letters don't be in prison.
She died when she died in between Sierra. She died
in between our birthdays on September twenty four. There you go.
(40:03):
That was the birthday gift to us in two thousand
and nine that we didn't even know we were getting.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, I needed it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I hope she's sorrow, despair, all of the despair. That's
all I gotta say.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Dishonor on her, dishonor on her.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Cow, one hundred percent, dishonor on her cow. Puck. Yeah,
bragging about killing Sharon Tate. Bitch. Anyways, On happier notes,
we're going to talk about the year as episodes to
roll on out of here, and I think I picked
(40:41):
my first favorite before, so you need to Oh, Okay, Well,
so I definitely already let one leak episode The twenty
six Club on Jean Harlowe and Sharon Tate. Yeah, greatest episode.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I forgot to pull all of mine and put them
in a pile and decide on the top five.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So what I.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Decided just now is I'm gonna look at about twenty
I'm gonna break it up into twenties. I'll pick one
from one from episode one on one to one twenty
one for episode one twenty one to one forty, you
know what I mean. So I went down and episode
one hundred and one is already one of my favorites,
so this didn't work. Episode one hundred and one, Beer
and Boobies, this was my Circus Crimes episode. That was
(41:28):
a really fun episode, Like that was crazy exciting.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I loved that special so much. In general, we had
the Poodle King and we had episode So yeah, that
was a good It was a good smattering, if you will.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, now I have to skip all the way up
to one twenty, and I don't know if I can
do that. What's your first episode of mine?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Uh? Episode one oh eight? Who are you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
Your story on the Ghostbusters trial, our beautiful haunted house
that we dreamed to own one day because it seems
worth it. Seriously, still still seems worth it. But as
(42:15):
youre covered, a trial that happened because of ghosts in
the house, so it is known historically as the Aclee House.
And I loved this episode. I loved that it was
a ruling of being haunted. And I still would buy
that house if opportunity presented itself. I would deal with
(42:36):
the ghosts.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, if I had the most with that bathtub righted, yeah,
I can do a big deal.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Just don't watch me while I'm in the tub and
everything is fine.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Let's see what is my next one going to be?
I think that's a good one, but I'm trying to
make it. I am trying really hard to make it
to episode one twenty so I can pick one in
between those. Oh I didn't like that one. I mean
I did, but I hated it at the same time.
(43:14):
That's not going to be a favorite. Oh the hums, No,
that one. No, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Oh, I'm laughing because you're experiencing everything that I did
when I was I was just like, oh no, that
traumatized me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Okay, I think, ooh, this is hard. The episode's between
one twenty one and one forty. There's a lot of
really good ones in there, but I decided on episode
one thirty Nope, sorry where to go one thirty five.
It was all for the wedding when Yield Crime came
(43:57):
on Lindsey and we talked about Nelly and Sarah and
the ghosts.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
And the fucking ghost human wedding literally ghost ghost literally. Yeah, yeah,
you didn't consummate your marriage.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That was a really good episode and the perfect episode
for Lindsay to come on. Yes, it was. I had
that on my list as well, but I also had
another guest episode. It was obviously a yetty when you
covered Maryland and Sam Shepherd. Whether or not the attack
(44:47):
was a white, hairy biped figure with kdra from perplexity,
that was.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
That was a lot of fun. That episode still gets me.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I'm like, well, don't know what happened?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, I have no idea. It's still one of them
that I can't even decide on a theory. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't unknown free intruder, that's what you know.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
It was something for sure, Okay, next is probably.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I get it. Guys, it's hard to pick your own
favorite episodes. It's easy to pick each other's, hard to
pick your oup. Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It was definitely Aliens episode Granger Taylor from around You.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Up there, Nanamo, the invention of the good old Nana Emu.
Yeah yeah, Nanaimo.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Love it for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Is predicted his own abduction.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah where, but he's with them five percent.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
That was also on my top five because it's a
great episode. But I'm also going to add into the
mix as well. See, some of Ciro's episodes were really good,
but they traumatized me, Like her frogging episode. Yeah, I
was just looking at my entire life without knowing what
(46:23):
frogging was. Would have died a little happier in fact,
and then of course the twenty six Club. But I
also really enjoyed her episode on episode one f three
if the Glove Doesn't Fit when she did Nicole Brown
Simpson yay, and sorry, what's what's his name for? Ron Goldman? Oh,
(46:50):
it's like the Murders of Yes No, Yes. That was
a really good episode. I feel like you did a
great oh my to a classic true crime story, and
it sucks to refer to it that way because people
still died in a horrific way, but you provided such
(47:11):
like a blank hit, like you gave every little detail.
So it's like I feel fulfilled in listening to it,
even if I don't necessarily know who did it, even
though I have my theories on who did it. Yeah,
it was just like a new way of I don't know.
Here's lots of people that listened to it. They said
(47:33):
that so many people didn't actually know some of that stuff.
So yeah, I don't know. You did a really good job.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Thanks. Yeah. I feel like I always get hate for
saying that I don't think OJ did it, and I'm
not at all like an OJ apologist. He was a
really fucking shitty person. I'm just saying there's possibly another
on the loose, guys, you know what I mean. Like
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that's all.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I just got to look at all the info.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah. Another episode we did with guests that was my
episode was when Taylor and Morgan from Creeps and Crimes
came on episode one sixty Doctor Seus's Aliens. Uh. That
one was super fun. I still am obsessed with that case.
I tell people to watch that documentary all the time,
(48:28):
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It was the craziest episode ever. It's still sweet Aliens,
and we have not one but two really creepy things
happened during recording, so they were really good sports about
us haunting them. But yeah, it was a good episode.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I really love a good episode.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
It wasn't my top five as well, but because you
are covering some of my favorites as well, I'm gonna
cheat a little bit say that. Another favorite was episode
one sixty seven, Smile.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Through the Radio was looking at that one.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, and also we got a really nice message from
Stephan's son on our Yeah, that was really really meaningful
and very sweet. Me the time to like say that
Sira did a great job, which she did, but it's
like his story doesn't get enough coverage and I still
(49:29):
really need it to be solved. So yeah, that was
an absolute favorite of mine. You just love the man
without even knowing him, like he just yeah the fucking delight.
I don't know what was.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Going on at that point in my life. Oh never mind,
yes I do. I did that episode. That episode came
out in September on September tenth. The next one after
that was obviously a week later, September twenty fourth. The
Project Hamburglar. The one after that was The Hills Have
Eyes with the Appellation Mountains. The one after that was
(50:04):
a bunch of fings Like I feel like I was
on my game that season, like Fall, I was on it. Okay,
Fall was great.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's a birthday month. I'm fucking here. I was gonna
do nothing. The Hells Have Eyes also traumatized. Yeah, that
was traumatazic, like frogging episode.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to find my last favorite. This is definitely.
Oh but see then I have the Bleeding House. No,
that's not it. Hang on, let me think, let me think.
There it is episode what are they hiding? If you
(50:47):
all need to go back and listen to when I
covered Karen read before the retrial. Just no, I already knew, Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Already knew. We already screamed into the microphone for an hour.
But your Bleeding House episode was one of my favorites
as well. Again, another one that I still I'm gonna
say that again because you were crush. That is another
one that's still I have no fucking clue what happened?
(51:20):
Love that episode? Yeah again, guys, what makes a house bleed?
Like poor Minty, she was just trying to care for
her husband. Yeah, and have a bubble bath that night. Okay,
the last.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
One hundred episodes have been on point. Seriously, both of us,
all of them are serial killers. Even like, I don't
know how we're going to be able to continue this
good like we need.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We've had some guests and the last hundred episodes, we've
had creeps and crimes. We've had Amanda and Robbie Zandy,
We've had and that's why we fucking drink like yeah,
that's not the name of their podcast. But I'm excited,
you know. So just like a lot of really great guests,
(52:13):
a lot of really like good podcast friends being on
the show, like Kevin coming on and Cadra Lindsey. Uh. Yeah,
just like a lot of really fun episodes.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, it got.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
A good crew. We got a good crew. We got
a good bunch of episodes, and we have more exciting
episodes coming your way.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
We have so many exciting things happening. You will see
in the next episode. A new logo, yeah on your
screen a little bit.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, it's still got our turquoise and our purple, but
with dark and spooky Scooby Doo vibes. So when people
are confused and like, I can't find your podcast. Yeah,
that's why because we've had our our tied I one
for three years, so it seems sad to walk away from.
But I'm also excited for Like a lot of podcasts
(53:11):
do a new logo every season, so you know, this
is our new season of spooky, weird history, and who knows,
maybe we'll do more joint episodes and we have a
new like ground table kind of talk show segment that
we're going to be adding to the main feed as well,
(53:33):
name to be determined. Still, yes, we're still we still
gotta we've still got to hash out our choices, but
we will announce that in the future, and we have
some very exciting people lined up for it. So lots
of exciting things. And uh, also bear with us. We'll
see Erra just figures out her new space and shit,
(53:55):
we're back to a regular schedule, so we're very excited
about that.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I say that if her children are literally yelling in
the background, I'm sorry you just sign off of episode
two hundred, but I hope that you guys enjoyed. I
don't know what just happened to my voice there. I
hope that you guys enjoyed our coverage of the Manson
family and the Tate Lobianca murders. I know you guys
have been requesting it for a really long time, but
(54:23):
it is one of those episodes that's really daunting to
dive into and also really heartbreaking for us. Like it's
just it's a monstrous story. So we hope you enjoyed it,
and let us know if you think it's serial killer
cult both. Let us know your thoughts, settle the ruling
(54:44):
if you will, and we will see you next week
for my episode topic to be determined, and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Keep it Twist.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
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(55:15):
new episode.
Hello, Twisted Humans. Do you find yourself wanting to know
more about the latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, and welcome to episode two hundred, Part two. Oh
my gosh, I forgot to look at my own episodes.
Isn't that what we're doing instead of fun facts?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah? Or when we do that at the end, at
the end. Yeah, okay, Yeah, you're like, I just spent
amount of time living in another timeline.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh my goodness. Okay, so I maybe one of you
are here right here with me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I watched the Karen Reid trial live with a streamer
named Emily Deep and at one point she was talking.
She likes to talk about words that people use that
are crazy. But at one point she said a word
or something. Somebody said a word that I had never
(01:12):
heard before, and that word was extraporis And I was like,
what does that mean? And I was I was with Sissy,
and Cissy had my phone. I said, Sissy, google extraperss
She googled it and then she read me what it
meant and what it meant was something like when you're
being It was an adjective for being over the top
and something something, And I was like, oh, so like
(01:35):
extra when people call you extra. So I guess this
is what's happening in my brain. I guess people started
saying extra as the slang because it was formed after
the word extraperis. And I was like excited, like for once,
slang isn't you know some random bullshit like it actually comes.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
From a bigger word and now I know this bigger word.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm so glad I know, and blah blah blah. Anyway,
so I went to google extrapperis so I could read
you the exact definition, and it's not a word. Everything
that happened that day apparently was on a different timeline
because Sissy remembers it, but we can't find it anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And I know, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm pretty sad about it.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I believe you in this timeline. I believe you that
that exists. Maybe in this timeline you can be the
inventor of it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Who knows, well, no one wants to make a longer
word for a slang word. I just thought it was
cool that like the slang word was just a shortened
version of a long I know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know what, as far as I'm concerned, that's how
life is. That is, that's the fact. I accept it.
I'm sure other listeners do too. And if you think
that that's a word that you know.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
If you heard Emily de Baker say the word extreporis
the other day, all right, please let me know that
I'm not alone. Okay, anyway, we're going to get into
this case in all of the extraporouse information.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is Charles Manson, that is Charles wins.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
After we talk about some fun facts, Do you have.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A fun fact?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
My fun fact is eighties related, because that is the
decade that we are working in, and it is that
Sony named the Walkman after the Pressman audio recorder featured
popularity in the movie Superman in the nineteen eighties. They
originally called Walkman's a sound about in the United States
(03:40):
and a stowaway in the United Kingdom before landing on
the Walkman.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is way better than a what was he about?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The first one? A sound about?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh my god, all.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can you imagine if that had been what it was called,
I don't think it would have been nearly as popular
the luxurily of bringing music around with you or not.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's crazy. My my fun fact is about cicadas
because it is cicada season.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Uh not here.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We don't get cicadas this far south, but I know
that the Ohioans are dreading right now because the cicadas
are fiercely about. So the pokemon Paris and paraseect. Do
you know what these pokemon look like. It looks like,
(04:39):
I don't know, like a crab with a mushroom shell.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, okay, so pretty good description.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, these pokemon are actually most likely modeled after cicadas
that have massive massive spora, which is a fungus that
causes their to fall off and a mushroom to grow
out of that spot. In developing this fungus, the cgate
(05:11):
cicada is experiencing the same feel good effects that someone
would experience if they took magic mushrooms. It also makes
the cicada horny and makes it want to mate. But
their butts fell off, so they're actually just rubbing fungus
onto other cicadas. It's like a you know, that's how
(05:35):
the that's how the fungus spreads, Like I'm gonna make.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It feel like your bring bug back to the show anymore.
Between last week and this week. You're just cut off now, I.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Mean in the weirdest way.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think cicadas are real. Gross. I have not experienced
them being in Western Canada, but I didn't see a
dead one when I went to visits here in Nashville.
She put it directly in my hand like a monster.
She's like getting gas. She's like, you're disgusting. And the
(06:17):
fact that that's just a season that some people have
to live with. Like I said about prison last week, guys,
I am just not strong enough for that life. Okay,
before that's a reality, I just need to be honest.
I don't do bugs. I feel really bad. There was
a baby wolf spider in the showroom today and it
(06:40):
was on the wall that I have to walk by
to get to the door to go upstairs to the office.
So I walked by it unknowingly this morning opened the
whole showroom. And then when I was walking back to
I'm like, oh, well, I can't pass now, that's awkward.
So I told one of the and I was like,
(07:01):
how are you with spiders? Like are you willing to assist?
So one of them came and he killed it. I
felt so bad, and I was like, I would have
taken it outside if it was smaller than it was.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh if I can hear it moving about.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, that sounds. That seems like it would be really
big if you can hear it. If it's making sounds,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I feel bad. Anyways, that whole rant was about how
I don't like bugs shocker. I'm also not a huge
fan of Charles Manson, but I am a huge fan
of this drink.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's such a good one. So obviously we're sticking with
our Moscow mule. However, I found one this time that
was a little different. It is from Sorry, I'm trying
to find out. I want to give credit. Thirsty Tales
is where this one's from. And it's called dead Man's Mule,
(08:08):
and it has ginger beer and lime juice as usual,
but you also add cranberry juice and mint leaves.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I really like it because I already adminant leaves my
mule he too, so I think it's very tasty, and
I already like the combination of ginger and cranberry from
years of us making sangrias that way, so I'm here
for it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, apparently it's so good that I was a couple
of minutes late to recording because I had to make
one for me and then my brother, and then my
daughter and then Jesse, so everybody was.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like, oh, I want one, Will you make me one?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Jesus people, okay, okay, and they're delicious.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I just finished mine, so you know we have that.
But I do as a backup have a peach vodka
iced tea, so oh no, I've brought that to the table.
Mine is exactly the same as siras, except I added
the booze to mine because it has been a fucking week.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, that is that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Also, I love that your recipes have come from dead
Man's dead Man's what that you just said.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Dead Man's Mules with the dead.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Man's mules and Pirate's booty in the last few episodes,
Serea's on like some pirate chain of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I am thinking of decorating our guest bathroom in like
crack and type yeah stuff like.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Spooky yes, yes, let me know if you can find
a cracking shower curtain, because and it has to be
like dark and purple. I will I will look, keep
us posted the news that we are dying for. Yes,
we're not doing a promo. Okay, We're just gonna take
(10:08):
a quick break.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
All right, we are going to take a quick break
and we will get back into Charles Nansen Boom Do
Do Do Do.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I left that in last week because I thought it
was funny. I went bomb bomb bomb and you went
bomb bomb bomb. It was funny. All right, don't forget
to add a break in the midst in the midst.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Of in the midst of okay, of recording, remember name.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Hopefully you didn't have to addit too much of my
roman sentences.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I type the way that I think and I read
the way that I think, so it's fine, But for
other people it's terrible. I worry about this when I
write em. Sometimes I'm like what most people be thinking.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can definitely when I read yours, I
can read it in your voice. But I'm always like,
this is what I mean, my voice. They need to
change it to my voice. So anyway, girl, No, it's okay,
all right. When we left off in part one, Charles
Manson and some of his followers had just gone to
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the home of Gary Hinman and killed him because they
believed that he had come into some money that he
refused to hand over. This was the summer of sixty nine. Sadly,
as we all know, this was just the beginning of
their murder spree. Terry Melcher, the record producer that Alicia
(11:47):
mentioned in Part one, the son of Doris Day that
refused to sign Charles Manson Music, had previously rented a
home at one zero zero five zero see low Drive
as a hit on Terry. Charles ordered his followers to
go there and kill everyone inside, no matter who. On
August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. That is exactly what they did,
(12:11):
except Terry did not live there anymore. The home was
now lived in by movie producer Roman Roman Polanski and
his wife, actress Sharon Tate. Sharon was eight months pregnant
and was spending time with a few friends at home
on that August night. In attendance was writer Voichek Freikousiki,
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coffee heiress Abigail Folger Love the Buttery Carmel by the Way,
and celebrity hairstylist and Sharon's close friend Jay Seabring, a
friend of the grounds caretaker named Stephen parent was also
at the house visiting. Let's talk about them for a moment.
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Voichek Fraikowski was from Poland and was trying to meet
it as a writer in Hollywood. When he was young,
he was labeled as being a troublemaker. That wasn't exactly true,
but he did get into a fistfight at a school
dance where he met his lifelong friend Roman Polanski. Quote
beneath his tough exterior, Voychek was good natured, soft hearted
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to the point of sentimentality, and utterly loyal end Roman
would later say about his friend. Over time, Roman and
Voycheck would join forces in film together. In nineteen sixty two,
when Roman was making a short film called Mammals, Voycheck
took the role as his film's financier.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Which is just like a glorified title for like movie babysitter.
That's super problem. I think they just wanted to hang
out as friends.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah. He allegedly lived off of the inheritance from his
father's illicit currency exchange business and enjoyed a rich way
of life despite having very little income coming in as
a Hollywood writer. He enjoyed partying and being around American girls,
and he went on to date Abigail Folger. Abigail Folger
(14:10):
was the daughter of Folger's Coffee president, Peter Folger. Maybe
you've heard of it. She had worked as a social worker.
She loved to read, and she was a little more
reserved and shy. The couple met for a mutual friend
and hit it off immediately. They eventually moved to la
together in an effort to advance Volchek's career, but it
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proved to be difficult for the two and they soon
fell into regular drug use at parties and get togethers.
The couple agreed to house it at the sel Drive
home while Sharon and Roman went to London for Roman's work,
but as Sharon was getting farther and farther along in
her pregnancy, it was no longer safe for her to fly,
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so she stayed home. Voychek and Abigail agreed to stay
anyway because so close to her due date. This way
they could help and she could rest. The group planned
to get dinner together at the l Coyote Restaurant, where
j Sebring joined as well. A little refresher from episode
one fifty five, j Sebring was born Thomas John Coomer
(15:19):
in nineteen thirty three. That said nineteen ninety three at first,
by the way, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's not right. Yeah, that's the year we were born.
That's my year. Actually, you want to know something funny
is that is from your episode one fifty five notes.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Oh my gosh, I wrote nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
N I didn't even catch it because it looked right,
but yeah, that's the year.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I wonder if I said nineteen ninety three. No, surely
I did not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Now I have to go back and listen. It would
be really funny if you did, and everyone's like, wait, what, wait,
what what timeline are we in?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
J Sebrings born Thomas John Coomer in nineteen thirty three
in Birmingham, Alabama, but grew up in Michigan. After graduating
high school, he served in the US Navy for four
years and then moved to Los Angeles to attend beauty school,
become a hairstylist and changed his name Jay Spring. Became
a renowned hairstylist, changing the way men's hair was cut
(16:20):
and styled in Hollywood. While most barbers were charging a
few dollars for men's haircuts, Jay was able to charge
fifty dollars or more for the techniques that he knew,
and had clients like Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Junior
who paid him to travel to them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Wild concept also like super fucking cool, like flex right,
I just style people, Sarah, I don't cut it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
He dated to Sharon Tate for a bit, but in
the end they decided to just be friends. Sharon Tate
was born January of nineteen forty three in Texas. As
a child, she and her family moved around a lot,
and she attended school in multiple cities in Texas, Washington,
and even Italy. Her first acting roles were in Italy
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after going to a film set and catching the eye
of actor and filmmaker George Baymer, who encouraged her to
get into acting herself. When she finally moved to Los
Angeles in nineteen sixty two, she called Richard's agent and
he helped her land a few gigs. This led her
to meeting Jay Sepring. The two had a great relationship
(17:28):
but an even stronger friendship. At one point, Jay did
propose to Sharon, but she declined the marriage proposal, saying
that she intends to retire from acting when she marries,
and she's not ready to do that yet. Even after
the relationship ended, though the two remained close close that
does not have a day at the end. So on
August eighth, nineteen sixty eight nine, nineteen sixty nine. Sorry
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so On August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. After dinner, the
group went back to Sharon and Romans to keep the
night going. They arrived around ten pm. As it got later,
Abigail had gone up to the guest room. Sharon and
Jay fell asleep talking, and Voichek slept right there on
the couch in the living room. Tex Watson, Patricia Krinwinkle,
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Linda Cassabian, Is that right, Casseavian? I was like, where
does the emphasis go? Linda Kasevian and Susan Atkins drove
to the house on se Low Drive. Linda Kassavian is
a new name into our story. She grew up in
New England and overall was a good kid and a
(18:41):
good student. She had a tough upbringing, though her family
fell into hard times financially and her father left the
family as a result when she was still young. Linda
ran away when she was sixteen due to problems with
her new stepfather. She got married to a friend named
Robert Peasley, but then divorced him time later. She moved
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to Miami afterward in an attempt to reconnect with her dad,
who was supposedly bartending there, but didn't want to see her.
And Linda then moved to Boston, where she would begin
a new life. She got married again, gave birth to
a daughter in nineteen sixty nine, and became pregnant again.
Linda wasn't happy in her relationship anymore, and when a
(19:22):
friend of hers mentioned a ranch of hippies establishing a paradise,
she was intrigued, so she and her daughter left to
go meet and live with Charles Manson.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
If she had seen photos, she would have known it
was no paradise. They shitt in buckets, just said.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Her Later testimonies would play a large role in the trial.
Tex Watson is another key player in the Manson family
that we haven't talked about yet. Born Charles tex Watson,
he was a straight A student growing up. When he
went off to college, he experimented a little with drugs,
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and this is when he got into trouble. According to
his family, in nineteen sixty six, he dropped out of
school and started dealing drugs in California. Shortly after this,
he joined the Manson family. He enjoyed working for Charles
and became one of his main guys. When the group
pulled up to the house, Stephen sorry and that needs
(20:28):
a bigger pause, became one of his main guys. This
is probably about the time where we should take a break,
you think, Yeah, we're about to get We're about to
get crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I know in a terrible fucking way. Oh I hate
the story. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I literally had like tie like I wrote skeleton notes
of like the timeline of events, and then I left
Sharon Kate's murder like blank for a really long time,
like I wrote everything else around it, and I packed
that's the last thing I have to write.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I give like the PG description, like you really tortured.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You gave a PG description And I still cut some
of it out because I was like, I can't say that.
I can't say it, like it just it hurts me
to say I.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Can't it does it makes me feel sick when I
think about what they went through that night. I read,
uh in my research, I read an article written. I
don't know if you read it too when you did
your research, but by his J. C. Briggs nephew, and
he's like, my uncle didn't just stand idly by, like
(21:48):
he fucking fought while they were tortured. Like it's horrible,
like animalistic doesn't even describe their behavior.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, oh, no.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
If any if ever anybody needed a reason to be like,
drugs are bad, this is drugs. This is this is
this is the example.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
However, well just not all important differentiation. Yes, there is
an important differentiation. Don't do drugs right bo, or do
drugs safely in a safe environment and with people that
you feel comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Don't leave the house. Okay, how are you ready break
the law?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'll just start making a children's channel. Don't do this. Yeah,
I'm sorry that you have to cover this part.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I know it's awful.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We knew it. We knew it when we said we
were spluning into two parts. You knew.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
When the group pulled up to the house, Steven parent
was just leaving after having visited with the grounds taker.
William Garretson. Stephen was eighteen and had just graduated from
Arroyo High School. He spent most of his time working
and was saving for college. He was there that night
because he was trying to sell a clock radio to William.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Just trying to save some money, right, that's like the
most eighties teenager thing you've ever said.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, a clock radio.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, just trying to make extra money. Ough.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
After the two had a beer together, Stephen went to
leave but was stopped by Tex Watson, who shot him
several times, killing him. He was in the wrong place
at the wrong time. They all were. The Manson family
group then broke into the sel drive home. Voichek was
(23:50):
woken up with Text holding a gun to him. He
was still a little intoxicated and asked Text who he
was and what he was doing. Text reply quote, I'm
the Devil and I'm here to do the Devil's best
business end quote. Then he, Susan and Patricia brutally murdered Voicheck.
(24:12):
First of all, I don't think the Devil would appreciate
you using his name to do such heinous things. Voichek
was stabbed fifty one times, bludgeoned, and shot twice. He
tried hard to fight back, attempting to take control of
the knife from Susan, who stabbed him, but he was
shot and killed by text. He would be found the
(24:35):
next day on the front porch by investigators. Abigail had
run out of the house trying to escape, but she
was tackled on the front lawn by Patricia Krenweakle and
stabbed twenty eight times. Jay and Sharon were brutally beaten
and tortured. Jay pleaded for Sharon and begged the attackers
(24:58):
to spare Sharon and her baby. In response, Tex shot
him and kicked him several times, breaking his nose and
eye socket. He then stabbed him another seven times. Like what.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When Jay was gone, Sharon pled for the life. Nope.
When Jay was gone, Sharon pleaded for the life of
her unborn child, offering to be taken hostage for enough
time to give birth, but she too would be tragically murdered.
She was stabbed sixteen times, and the group used her
(25:40):
blood to spell out the word pig on the front
door of the house. Sharon didn't know the sex of
her baby when she died, but she was so excited
to be a mom. When she was later buried, her baby,
a little boy, was placed in her arms.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh that's a heartbreaking visual, you know, I forgot. I
wrote that I'm sorry, but it's like a beautiful visual
but like heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah. Apparently, Once the group reported back, Charles was displeased
with the sloppiness of the murders so the right. So
the very next night he decided to accompany them in
trying again, because that makes sense. He along with Tex Watson,
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Susan Atkins, Patricia Cernwinkle Krenwinkle. She doesn't deserve me to
say her name, right, yea. Leslie van Houton and Steve
Clem Grogan ended up outside the house of supermarket executive
and dad Leno LaBianca, where he lived with his wife, Rosemary.
(26:54):
Leslie van Houton, by the way, was from la and
grew up in a loving household with great parents. However,
her parents divorced when she was a teenager and she
took it particularly hard. Then she got pregnant by her
boyfriend and had an abortion, but the couple didn't take
that well and started doing acid together as a way
to cope. She crossed paths with Bobby bo schal bo
(27:18):
Shall with Bobby bow Shall and the Manson family in
nineteen sixty eight. She and he started dating suit after,
but she still felt empty back.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
To the group.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
When the group entered the Lobbyanca residence, the children thankfully
were not home, only Leno and his wife, Rosemary. Leno
Labbianka was a loving husband and father. His children were
only ever with him for summer vacations and holidays, but
he took being a dad seriously. He was very loving
and friendly to all. His wife, Rosemary was described as
(27:56):
a sweet soul and a loving stepmother as well. Leno
was woken up at gunpoint. While the group reassured him
they weren't going to hurt anyone, they tied him up
and brought Rosemary into the bedroom, also bound. Charles then
left the house and sent in his gang to carry
out the murders.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Which I know, what did you do? Just you were
a part of picking out the house and being like,
go my minions go Like I.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Don't think we'll ever know for sure what.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All he is doing, but yeah, if anyone else ever bored.
Side note, when you're caught up on Twist and Uncorked podcast,
take a little gander over at Charlesmanson dot com. That
website is the most in depth. It has photos, it
(28:51):
has I don't know who created this website and descriptions
of every single member of the Manson family. Like it
is a crazy website, so if anyone's ever born, feel
free to check it out. It is some of the
pages are sourced in our episode notes, but I'm just
(29:11):
saying it's.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Is run by the Manson family.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Don't know. It is an insane place to be. It's
kind of crazy Charlesmanson dot com. There's like there's descriptions
on every victim, every member, the trial and excruciating detail.
There's everything there.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So if it is a gracious.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Board, how about her?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Sorry, just for more information if we want people.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Leno LaBianca was brutally stabbed with both a carving knife
and a fork. Later the fork would be found sticking
out of his abdomen and the carving knife and in
his throat. Rosemary LaBianca was taken into the bedroom and
killed p Later, she was stabbed over forty times by
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Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie van Houten. After the murders, the
killers used the victim's blood to write on the walls
and the refrigerator rise death to Pigs and Helter Skelter,
which is misspelled. He thought the first one was lobby.
(30:31):
These fucking idiots don't even know how to spell uh.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, they're helter skeltering.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A few days after the murders, Manson's ranch was raided
on suspicion of car theft. Nothing was found and everyone
was let oh, but the police were not quite satisfied.
The Manson family left their ranch to a new ranch,
and in October the new one was raided. It was
around the same time in October that Bobby, who was
(31:01):
arrested in the Gary Hinman murder, gave police Susan Atkins's name.
She was then processed for Gary's murder. While in prison,
she told her cellmate that she killed Sharon Tate quote
because we wanted to do a crime that would shock
the world, that the world would have to stand up
and take notice. End quote. At this point, the murders
(31:24):
had been all over the media. On November twelfth, nineteen
sixty nine, during an interview with a man named Al Springer,
a motorcycle a motorcycle gang member who knew Charles in passing,
said that he had mentioned killing people just days after
the murders, but didn't say who or elaborate. If you
(31:45):
remember the way Charles Manson speaks from the clip we
played last week, you know that the conversation topic likely
changed fast. His ramblings are tough to follow, but after
this the pieces started to fall into place about the
back to back horrific murders and who was probably responsible.
Remaining gang members tried to flee the state, but were
(32:07):
caught tex Watson was apprehended in Texas. Kind of funny
at the end of November texts in Texas. The Manson
family would be held in prison until their trial in
June of nineteen seventy, which is when Charles appeared in
court with the infamous X carved into his forehead, and
(32:29):
over the next few days his followers began to do
the same thing to themselves. Charles, along with Susan Atkins,
Patricia Creenwinkle, and Leslie Van Houton, were charged with multiple
kinds of murder in the first degree. Linda Kaseaban Kasabian.
Linda Kaseabian had been acting as a lookout on the
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evening of August eighth and asked to be a witness
for immunity, testifying against the rest of the members and
giving an account of what happened that evening, during a
cross examination, a large photo of the Tate House crime
scene was shown. Linda quote shot a look across the
courtroom at the defendants and asked, how could you do that?
(33:14):
The female defendants laughed and asked how she could be
so certain, considering her lsd us that she had not
participated in the murders. Linda replied, quote, because I don't
have that kind of thing in me to do something
so animalistic. End quote. Linda was the only one that
showed any resemblance of remorse among the group. The trial
(33:39):
lasted eighteen days, and all members were found guilty on
all counts and sentenced to death for the murders. However,
in nineteen seventy two, California abolished the death penalty and
their sentences were commuted to life imprisonment instead. Charles Manson
spent the remainder of his life in prison. He died
on November nineteen, twenty seventeen, from natural causes at the
(34:03):
age of eighty three. And recently, I don't remember if
it was Susan or Patricia attempted to get out. Actually
it might have been Leslie. I don't know. One of
the girls were up for parole and attempted to request
that parole and everyone was like fucking no, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It was Patricia Credwinkle and it was May of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Oh god, that was so recent.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, she's seven seventy seven years old. They said nor, Yeah,
they said no.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, they said no.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, They're like, we start her age, she's at little
risk of reoffending. She looks like a.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Scary Still no, but still no, you can't go.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
No, you don't get to. You don't get to kill
a group of young people and an unborn baby and
just keep living.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And have no remorse.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, you don't get to do that, oh Leslie Van.
He was released from present in twenty twenty three after
spending fifty three years behind bars, though not long enough now,
I don't even want to changing your name probably, but
(35:30):
him dying of natural causes just feel so anticlimactic for
the person that he was. The theatrics, the shouting, the like,
it's just such a bizarre story. I just I don't
understand how it is bizarre and convince people to do
(35:53):
this like, well, I don't ever want to.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I don't ever want to even think about giving him
any excuse or anything, But there is always something in
the back of my mind that's like, were they experimented on?
Was the LSD? They were given some sort of experiment,
Like was that his own mind? Or was that the
(36:18):
ramblings of a madman who was made mad?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah? Super soldiers? Well kay, ultra projects. So I mean yeah, he,
like I said, he was unknowingly providing the government with
more people to experiment on with his members.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So he was unhappy.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't doubt it that for whatever he was up divided. Yeah,
just yeah, No, it doesn't excuse their behavior at all.
But it's just so sadistic. It's so like feral that
I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's gross, Like.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Who they didn't do anything to any of them, None
of them.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Did, yes, So there was literally no real to these people.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
The Forstom hit and then Gary Hinman.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
While no one deserves to be killed ever, and especially
not Gary Henman, and especially not for these reasons. At least,
they targeted this person for their own stupid reason. All
of the other people they didn't even know mean to target,
Like it wasn't even a target, it was random. It
(37:35):
was so fucked so fucked, just awful awful, And.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The owner or sorry, the creator of Full House purchased
the land that the tape murders happened on and rebuilt
a mansion worth a casual twenty three million dollars and
no one wants to buy it. Yeah, I wouldn't. Just
because you tear down the house doesn't mean that that
(38:04):
isn't still there.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Also, two of the people were found outside of the
house anyway, they were on the ground. The land is
not even safe.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's a beautiful house, don't get me wrong, but it's
just like, yeah, I don't blame people for not wanting
to buy it one because it's three times the sighs
of the original house there and like sixteen times the
price and two people died there in a horrific way. Yeah,
and as far as I know, the Labyanca house is
(38:37):
still in the family. But just like, ugh, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
But yeah, still undecided on whether Charles Manson is purely
a cult or a serial killer or both. I think
(38:58):
after four years it would be really more of spree killing,
as it happened within two days, right, So yeah, Cault
is my final rolling with my hammer well.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
The ballot Gary Hinman wasn't the same time, So that
would make make them serial killers. That would make at
least Susan. Susan is a fucking serial killer. I don't
know about all the others. Susan was in fucking all
of them.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
True. Is she still in preason? Yeah, she's very.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Stillson that bit.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
She as people she's unhinged. Oh, she died in two
thousand and nine. Yeah, that bitch. Letters don't be in prison.
She died when she died in between Sierra. She died
in between our birthdays on September twenty four. There you go.
(40:03):
That was the birthday gift to us in two thousand
and nine that we didn't even know we were getting.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, I needed it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I hope she's sorrow, despair, all of the despair. That's
all I gotta say.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Dishonor on her, dishonor on her.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Cow, one hundred percent, dishonor on her cow. Puck. Yeah,
bragging about killing Sharon Tate. Bitch. Anyways, On happier notes,
we're going to talk about the year as episodes to
roll on out of here, and I think I picked
(40:41):
my first favorite before, so you need to Oh, Okay, Well,
so I definitely already let one leak episode The twenty
six Club on Jean Harlowe and Sharon Tate. Yeah, greatest episode.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I forgot to pull all of mine and put them
in a pile and decide on the top five.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So what I.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Decided just now is I'm gonna look at about twenty
I'm gonna break it up into twenties. I'll pick one
from one from episode one on one to one twenty
one for episode one twenty one to one forty, you
know what I mean. So I went down and episode
one hundred and one is already one of my favorites,
so this didn't work. Episode one hundred and one, Beer
and Boobies, this was my Circus Crimes episode. That was
(41:28):
a really fun episode, Like that was crazy exciting.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I loved that special so much. In general, we had
the Poodle King and we had episode So yeah, that
was a good It was a good smattering, if you will.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, now I have to skip all the way up
to one twenty, and I don't know if I can
do that. What's your first episode of mine?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Uh? Episode one oh eight? Who are you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
Your story on the Ghostbusters trial, our beautiful haunted house
that we dreamed to own one day because it seems
worth it. Seriously, still still seems worth it. But as
(42:15):
youre covered, a trial that happened because of ghosts in
the house, so it is known historically as the Aclee House.
And I loved this episode. I loved that it was
a ruling of being haunted. And I still would buy
that house if opportunity presented itself. I would deal with
(42:36):
the ghosts.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, if I had the most with that bathtub righted, yeah,
I can do a big deal.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Just don't watch me while I'm in the tub and
everything is fine.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Let's see what is my next one going to be?
I think that's a good one, but I'm trying to
make it. I am trying really hard to make it
to episode one twenty so I can pick one in
between those. Oh I didn't like that one. I mean
I did, but I hated it at the same time.
(43:14):
That's not going to be a favorite. Oh the hums, No,
that one. No, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Oh, I'm laughing because you're experiencing everything that I did
when I was I was just like, oh no, that
traumatized me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Okay, I think, ooh, this is hard. The episode's between
one twenty one and one forty. There's a lot of
really good ones in there, but I decided on episode
one thirty Nope, sorry where to go one thirty five.
It was all for the wedding when Yield Crime came
(43:57):
on Lindsey and we talked about Nelly and Sarah and
the ghosts.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
And the fucking ghost human wedding literally ghost ghost literally. Yeah, yeah,
you didn't consummate your marriage.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That was a really good episode and the perfect episode
for Lindsay to come on. Yes, it was. I had
that on my list as well, but I also had
another guest episode. It was obviously a yetty when you
covered Maryland and Sam Shepherd. Whether or not the attack
(44:47):
was a white, hairy biped figure with kdra from perplexity,
that was.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
That was a lot of fun. That episode still gets me.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I'm like, well, don't know what happened?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, I have no idea. It's still one of them
that I can't even decide on a theory. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't unknown free intruder, that's what you know.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
It was something for sure, Okay, next is probably.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I get it. Guys, it's hard to pick your own
favorite episodes. It's easy to pick each other's, hard to
pick your oup. Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It was definitely Aliens episode Granger Taylor from around You.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Up there, Nanamo, the invention of the good old Nana Emu.
Yeah yeah, Nanaimo.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Love it for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Is predicted his own abduction.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah where, but he's with them five percent.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
That was also on my top five because it's a
great episode. But I'm also going to add into the
mix as well. See, some of Ciro's episodes were really good,
but they traumatized me, Like her frogging episode. Yeah, I
was just looking at my entire life without knowing what
(46:23):
frogging was. Would have died a little happier in fact,
and then of course the twenty six Club. But I
also really enjoyed her episode on episode one f three
if the Glove Doesn't Fit when she did Nicole Brown
Simpson yay, and sorry, what's what's his name for? Ron Goldman? Oh,
(46:50):
it's like the Murders of Yes No, Yes. That was
a really good episode. I feel like you did a
great oh my to a classic true crime story, and
it sucks to refer to it that way because people
still died in a horrific way, but you provided such
(47:11):
like a blank hit, like you gave every little detail.
So it's like I feel fulfilled in listening to it,
even if I don't necessarily know who did it, even
though I have my theories on who did it. Yeah,
it was just like a new way of I don't know.
Here's lots of people that listened to it. They said
(47:33):
that so many people didn't actually know some of that stuff.
So yeah, I don't know. You did a really good job.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Thanks. Yeah. I feel like I always get hate for
saying that I don't think OJ did it, and I'm
not at all like an OJ apologist. He was a
really fucking shitty person. I'm just saying there's possibly another
on the loose, guys, you know what I mean. Like
(48:03):
that's all.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I just got to look at all the info.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah. Another episode we did with guests that was my
episode was when Taylor and Morgan from Creeps and Crimes
came on episode one sixty Doctor Seus's Aliens. Uh. That
one was super fun. I still am obsessed with that case.
I tell people to watch that documentary all the time,
(48:28):
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It was the craziest episode ever. It's still sweet Aliens,
and we have not one but two really creepy things
happened during recording, so they were really good sports about
us haunting them. But yeah, it was a good episode.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I really love a good episode.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
It wasn't my top five as well, but because you
are covering some of my favorites as well, I'm gonna
cheat a little bit say that. Another favorite was episode
one sixty seven, Smile.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Through the Radio was looking at that one.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, and also we got a really nice message from
Stephan's son on our Yeah, that was really really meaningful
and very sweet. Me the time to like say that
Sira did a great job, which she did, but it's
like his story doesn't get enough coverage and I still
(49:29):
really need it to be solved. So yeah, that was
an absolute favorite of mine. You just love the man
without even knowing him, like he just yeah the fucking delight.
I don't know what was.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Going on at that point in my life. Oh never mind,
yes I do. I did that episode. That episode came
out in September on September tenth. The next one after
that was obviously a week later, September twenty fourth. The
Project Hamburglar. The one after that was The Hills Have
Eyes with the Appellation Mountains. The one after that was
(50:04):
a bunch of fings Like I feel like I was
on my game that season, like Fall, I was on it. Okay,
Fall was great.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's a birthday month. I'm fucking here. I was gonna
do nothing. The Hells Have Eyes also traumatized. Yeah, that
was traumatazic, like frogging episode.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to find my last favorite. This is definitely.
Oh but see then I have the Bleeding House. No,
that's not it. Hang on, let me think, let me think.
There it is episode what are they hiding? If you
(50:47):
all need to go back and listen to when I
covered Karen read before the retrial. Just no, I already knew, Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Already knew. We already screamed into the microphone for an hour.
But your Bleeding House episode was one of my favorites
as well. Again, another one that I still I'm gonna
say that again because you were crush. That is another
one that's still I have no fucking clue what happened?
(51:20):
Love that episode? Yeah again, guys, what makes a house bleed?
Like poor Minty, she was just trying to care for
her husband. Yeah, and have a bubble bath that night. Okay,
the last.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
One hundred episodes have been on point. Seriously, both of us,
all of them are serial killers. Even like, I don't
know how we're going to be able to continue this
good like we need.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We've had some guests and the last hundred episodes, we've
had creeps and crimes. We've had Amanda and Robbie Zandy,
We've had and that's why we fucking drink like yeah,
that's not the name of their podcast. But I'm excited,
you know. So just like a lot of really great guests,
(52:13):
a lot of really like good podcast friends being on
the show, like Kevin coming on and Cadra Lindsey. Uh. Yeah,
just like a lot of really fun episodes.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, it got.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
A good crew. We got a good crew. We got
a good bunch of episodes, and we have more exciting
episodes coming your way.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
We have so many exciting things happening. You will see
in the next episode. A new logo, yeah on your
screen a little bit.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, it's still got our turquoise and our purple, but
with dark and spooky Scooby Doo vibes. So when people
are confused and like, I can't find your podcast. Yeah,
that's why because we've had our our tied I one
for three years, so it seems sad to walk away from.
But I'm also excited for Like a lot of podcasts
(53:11):
do a new logo every season, so you know, this
is our new season of spooky, weird history, and who knows,
maybe we'll do more joint episodes and we have a
new like ground table kind of talk show segment that
we're going to be adding to the main feed as well,
(53:33):
name to be determined. Still, yes, we're still we still
gotta we've still got to hash out our choices, but
we will announce that in the future, and we have
some very exciting people lined up for it. So lots
of exciting things. And uh, also bear with us. We'll
see Erra just figures out her new space and shit,
(53:55):
we're back to a regular schedule, so we're very excited
about that.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I say that if her children are literally yelling in
the background, I'm sorry you just sign off of episode
two hundred, but I hope that you guys enjoyed. I
don't know what just happened to my voice there. I
hope that you guys enjoyed our coverage of the Manson
family and the Tate Lobianca murders. I know you guys
have been requesting it for a really long time, but
(54:23):
it is one of those episodes that's really daunting to
dive into and also really heartbreaking for us. Like it's
just it's a monstrous story. So we hope you enjoyed it,
and let us know if you think it's serial killer
cult both. Let us know your thoughts, settle the ruling
(54:44):
if you will, and we will see you next week
for my episode topic to be determined, and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Keep it Twist.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Twisted, Twisted, and Uncorked is hosted and produced by Sierra
ZrN An Eilie Sha Watson. If you like the show,
don't forget to leave a five star rating and review
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and we will see you next Tuesday for a brand
(55:15):
new episode.
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