August 19, 2025 • 42 mins
This week brings us the case of Christopher Erick and a mothers fight for answers. This feels like a larger conspiracy given the cyanide toxicity. His death was dismissed as natural or even suicide, despite mounting evidence and his mother Kim is making all of the noise to get this looked into. We are making noise alongside her. We end by discussing recent pest problems, Sierra for sure lives with Pinky and the Brain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, twisted humans.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult or haunting.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you. I'm Alicia and
I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to episode two oh six of Twisted
and Uncorked. I did that thing again where I changed
the story I was going to cover last minute. The
night before last, I was just scrolling on my phone
and I ran into a truly shocking story on Facebook.
PS y'all can call me old for being on Facebook still,
(00:41):
but my algorithm just gets me and shows me all
the best stuff. So anyway, I saw this post and
I was like, well, that's a fake news story if
I've ever heard one. And then I googled it just
to verify and found out it was completely true. So
down the rabbit hole I went. Originally, I was going
to cover a fun story that I was going to
(01:01):
force into the unsolved category, though it could be disappeared, conspiracy, murderless,
or haunted. I'm saving that one for next time. This time,
I just have to share this shocking unsolved information with
you all. But first, do you have a fun fact
for me?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What Okay, Now, that's cool. There is a species of
jellyfish that can live forever apparently forever. How do we ever,
I don't know. According to along with it, they discovered
a Turito piscis doorning jellyfish okay, that can revert back
(01:40):
into its juvenile poll up stage after maturing, So it,
like Benjamin, buttons itself and continues in an endless cycle
for very young Yeah, that's crazy. Can you imagine just
like Benjamin buttoning and then like starting over and then
that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, I mean, with the write people taking care
of you, you know right well, dude, Yeah, But like
I'm sure one day they're going to use that jellyfish
DNA for humans to do it. So like, so like
I'm young and I'm raised, and then I'm an adult,
and then I have children, and I raise my children
(02:20):
and then they're adults, and then I am like.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You want to do it golful, you guys were when
you were kids. Now you have to raise your mom.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And make my kids raise me. That would be pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But then what if they can do the same thing,
then you're just like all children at the same time.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Then we get to live forever together.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's very possible. Cool, but how what are the logistics
of this?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, we have to take turns being adults.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, when you figure out that schedule, let me know.
Do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, okay, my fun fact is human body glow in
the dark. So let me tell you some science. All
living things emit a small source of life, not life light,
called a upe ultra weeek photon emission from what is
(03:17):
believed to be a byproduct of our metabolism. When your
body is undergoing oxidative stress or cellular wear and tear,
the other molecules around the stress ones become excited and
they're like moving around a lot, and they emit a light.
The light is one thousand times weaker than anything the
human eye can detect. So we don't see each other glowing,
(03:40):
but we could be really easy prey for other things
that can see us glow.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, that's fucked up, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Kind of creepy.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I kind of wish we could all see each other glow.
That would be I know, and I would feel like
that Kashia music video.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it'd be great. Speaking of glow in the dark,
today's episode pairs well with a drink that gives us
another fun fact. I'm sure as a bartender you already
know this, but for our listeners, tonic water and vitamin
B two ribe a flavin both glow under UV lights
and can be added to a drink to make a
(04:17):
glowing cocktail or mocktail. Today we are having a sort
of healthy cucumber mint lemonade that I just invented. You'll
want to muddle a few peeled slices of cucumber in
lemon juice and vodka, or skip the vodka for mocktail
top it with. I did sprite zero and then a
slapped mint sprig, and I also added vitamin B two
(04:41):
or vitamin B complex to give it a glow. It's fun,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm obsessed. Please tell me that the photo that you
took is of it glowing in the dark. Of course, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Why it took home forever, because I was like, I need.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
To kick a dark. That's hilarious, that's amazing. I actually
didn't know that. And how did you add vitamin B
twelve to it? How did you put it there? Liquid? Oh? Yeah,
they have it in for amazing. No, but I will
be doing that at a future party because that is
(05:19):
super fun. I am delicious. It is delicious.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I actually don't have any mint in mine because I
didn't have any mint and I didn't feel like going
to the store to get mint. It's probably way better
with mint. But the cucumber and lemon concoction is delicious
as is. And because it's clear, this was clear, I swear.
The vitamin B complex liquid is actually really bright orange,
(05:46):
like fluorescent orange. So when you put it in the
clear drink, it turns the drink yellow, and that's why
I kind of close that yellow color. So anyway, it's
a clear alcohol or clear drink, you can put the
vitamin B complex liquid form in and make it glow
under a easy light or black lights or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So cool. I'm obsessed with that. Next time I go
glow bowling, I'm just gonna bring it and put it drink.
You should.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Gloves.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I didn't get that glowing.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
One, but if you ask for a vodkatonic, it should
also glow. It glows blue.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It does, a little bit, but yeah, yeah, because that
is a favorite drink of mine. I did soda water
to top of mine up, and it's fucking tasty. I
had the lemon, the cucumber and the mint sitting in
the fridge for a really long time together for lemonade,
and man, she tasty.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm glad. I I really just wanted a glowing drink.
So it's like googling good ideas for glowing drinks, and
lemon and vodka was.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Pineapple and vodka was one of them. And I was like,
I'll I'll just do I have lemon juice at home.
I'll just do lemon. And I was like, oh, I
also have cucumber. I wonder if that would be good
because that's a clear thing, you know, So anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It is, and it's super refreshing on the hottest fuck day.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. Everybody, go
make your drinks, get.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Cozy, get them blowing in the dark. Let us know.
That's super fucking.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Cool, and let's come back to get into this craziness.
All right. Before we get started, I have to preface
my story with a bit of a PSA. This is
one of those stories where the police aren't looking into it,
so almost all of the information is coming coming from
a family member of the victim and her own personal investigation,
(07:48):
which does include police records from the scene of the
crime and journal entries from the victim, but the information
may be biased. Alls I have is her information, So
take everything I say with a great big allegedly that
I have to mention for legal purposes. Okay, she is
(08:10):
accusing people of things that I agree with, allegedly, all right,
So I am just here to share the information in
hopes that others make enough noise to make the police
want to investigate.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like Crystal McRory Jones exactly so.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Christopher Todd Eric was born in nineteen eighty nine to
parents Kim and Stephen, and was raised in mid Lothian, Texas.
It is noted that in records he was born with
a heart defect, but that it never affected him as
a growing child or a young adult. Sissy was also
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born with a heart defect, and it healed itself before
her second birthday. I don't know exactly what Christopher's heart
defect was, or if it was completely healed itself the
way Sissy's did, but I do know that it did
not hold an back at all. He played all the
sports as a child. My dad was also born with
the same heart defect as to see, and his did
not heal. But he's now in his fifties, his loss
(09:10):
probably close to one hundred pounds in the last decade,
has abs and walks at least nine miles a day.
The heart defect thing is really an easy excuse used
in the future of this episode, so I'm just trying
to Devil's advocate here by explaining that a heart defect
is not always as serious as it may sound. So anyway,
growing up, Christopher seemed to be a great kid, but
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he endured a lot of trauma, starting with his parents'
very messy divorce. His father, Stephen, was physically abusive to
his mother, and when they divorced, he did everything in
his power, mostly financially, with his parents backing him and
paying his attorney fees to keep Chris away from his mother.
(09:53):
Stephen was given primary custody and Kim only got to
see her son every other weekend. Living with his dad
was no fun for Chris. Stephen remarried to an evil
stepmom type who Chris wrote about obviously not liking him,
and she had children of her own already, so he
noticed the difference in treatment that they received compared to him.
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He also wrote about his dad hitting him, like how
Stephen used to hit Kim. Eventually, as a teen, Stephen
and his new wife Tanya decided that Chris needed to
go to a boarding school, specifically Excel Academy of the
Aspen Education Group, similar to the program which was talked
(10:37):
about in episode one fifty. But to give you an idea,
the kids had to wear orange jumpsuits all day, had
to do manual labor. When they weren't learning, were randomly
strip searched and put in hand for when the trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was like a.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Mini jail for kids who didn't even break the law
yet that's fuck yeah uh oh, And they gave the
boys testosterone injections, complaining about claiming it was for low
tea that none of them actually had. Fast forward all
these years later. Spoiler alert, Chris is the victim. Multiple
(11:15):
people from this school died in the years right before
or right after him, Like, we don't know why. We
don't know if it has anything to do with the school.
You'll understand when I get through this episode. We don't
know why, but so many people just died at a
young age after being.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
In that school.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thankfully it no longer exists. There were many lawsuits, though.
After Christopher graduated he got his own place, paying for
it with a quote unquote early inheritance that no one
has admitted where this came from, So like this was
one of the things that it was, like, did the
school like pay them off to not fucking say things.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No one the only people who may know where this
quote unquote early inhergence came from aren't saying, So we
don't know. I assume maybe the school, or maybe even
his dad and stepmom gave him money to, like, I
don't know, not move in with them. Again, that's just
a guess based on knowing that his step siblings also
(12:16):
had quote unquote trusts when they became adults, so maybe
it was something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
After being on his own for three years, though, he
must have run out of money, or got it taken
back from whoever gave it to him, or got into
some trouble. All we know is that about this time
he moved into a spare bedroom at his grandmother's house,
his dad's mom Pat He got big into health and
wellness and fitness, probably to expel all that extra testosterone
(12:46):
he was being given, and also big into religion. He
was even making plans to go to Bible College and
become a pastor. Okay, you do you, but this is
where things start to get weird. So, like I said, Christopher,
Eric is no longer with us. He has passed away.
He passed away while living at his grandmother's on November tenth,
(13:07):
twenty twelve, and according to Pat, his grandmother, he passed
away peacefully in his sleep. Clearly, Chris's father seemed like
a shitty person, so when Kim found out about her
son's young death, she was suspicious. But I didn't expect
to find such a weirdness from not only Chris's father
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but also Grandma Pat.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So the weirdness.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Starts at least a year before his death, when he
had written a letter Chris to his mother explaining that
he couldn't come and visit her because he was sick.
From that day forward, he was sick often, like almost
every day. He wrote about his symptoms, confusion, delusions, fatigue, sleepiness,
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so sleepy that he could sleep for nearly twenty four
hours straight, so confused that he thought God was coming
to him in visions telling him to prepare for his
impending death. When Chris was found dead in his bed,
first responders took photos of the scene and the body
and talked to the immediate family as in Grandma Pat
(14:17):
and father Stephen, and stepmom Tania. All of these people
explained Chris's heart defect to the first responders, and so
they assumed he died from natural causes. He had this
heart defect, he was sick, it happens he was born
that way. The medical examiner was able to see that
(14:37):
Chris had experienced two heart attacks before death, sounds normal
for someone with a heart condition. Case closed, no need
to even run the blood samples that they took until
Chris's mom, Kim, wouldn't let it go. Kim found it
odd that her son had been an athlete and a
(14:59):
fit this lover and somehow succumbs to his heart defect
at the age of twenty three when he had no
other issues before then. Immediately after death, Grandma Pat had
Chris's body cremated, adding to Kim's suspicions. She also found
it odd that Pat wouldn't work with her in planning
(15:20):
Chris's funeral. Pat was adamant that she had to pay
for Chris's funeral because she promised him that she would.
She also said that he told her he didn't want
a memorial, flowers, music, or prayers at his funeral. Kim
thought it was absolutely ridiculous, and so she planned a
(15:41):
memorial anyway, and Chris's grandmother, father, stepmom, and stepsiblings all
decided not to go, so they just didn't even go
to Chris's funeral. That's not what he wanted. Allegedly, after
Kim talked to the police about it all and convinced
him to run the blood test that they still had
(16:02):
but never tested, a very large amount of cyanide was
found in Chris's blood sample. This is when Grandma Pat
and dad Stephen finally admitted that Chris had completed suicide.
They provided police with a receipt from Chris's Amazon account,
(16:23):
which showed that he had purchased cyanide online to be
delivered to Grandma Pat's house where he lived. She also
handed over his suicide note, but it was too late
for trying to make new excuses. In Kim's mind, Kim
was believing none of it. She requested all of the
evidence that the police had to be turned over to
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her for viewing. They agreed, probably partly because they were
cocky and partly because there wasn't much evidence there anyway,
they didn't take this as a crime, but what they
gave her was enough to convince me that this was
not a suicide. First, the suicide note was suspicious. The
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first few pages of the note are very biblical, while
the last part of it seems to rush through the
living will portion of what would be a suicide note.
It said in the last part that heaven and hell
are just a state of mind, and that he wants
to be cremated, and you know, this person should get
these things and that person should get those things. The
(17:28):
first part, though, seemed like a journal entry that had
nothing to do with dying. Uh, And what kind of
Christian would say that heaven and hell were a state
of mind and not want prayers and want to be
cremated and even kill themselves like those are Yeah, that's
tribal yep, suspicials. Maybe this was all just part of
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his delusions. He was sick. Except even the handwriting was different.
The end part of the written note looked very similar,
but definitely like a different person. Wrote it and potentially
just added it on to the beginning. So the beginning
was like, oh, this looks like every other page in
his journal, but the last like paragraphs who wrote that?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's weird And like you'd think that if you were
trying to fake somebody's handwriting or like write a note
on their behalf, that you would at least make an
effort to try and make it match.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, they tried, they just didn't do a very
good job trying.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh okay, because I'm like, you see handwriting analysis of
like slight differences and the way people even hold their pens,
so it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, you can tell. You could tell they tried, but
you can also tell it's not the same. All of
the photos of all of the evidence, by the way,
can be found on Kim Eric with the ck Smith Facebook,
which I'll get to at the end. But anyway, Kim
sent photos of the note to a member of the
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Georgia Bureau of Investigations since she was getting no help
in Texas, and they seemed to think that there was
definitely some discrepancies, but they told Kim that it was
out of their jurisdiction and she'd have to take it
up with the local or state police where the crime
was committed. Unfortunately, So the next thing that I'm like,
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all right, you know the note. Maybe Mom's reading into
it too much. The next thing that has me convinced
is the receipt for the Amazon purchase of Cyanide, which
Pat provided to the police and they accepted as legit.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You id on fucking Amazon.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You could in twenty twelve. You can't do anymore. I
liked my Google search history is probably like, what the
fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I also.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Poisoning. Yeah, I googled why do people buy cyanide?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah? Oh yeah, you're all there's your tracks there, so
it was altered.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kim called the Amazon support team, so when they gave
her the receipt, the receipt said this is Chris's email
on the receipt, which Amazon doesn't really have receipts anymore,
but you know whatever. Twenty twelve, Kim called the Amazon
support team with the order number and was told on
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a recorded line, which she posted on Facebook this conversation
that the order was purchased from Pat's account, Pat's email,
and Pat's debit card, even though the receipt says Chris's email,
so she literally changed it because on Amazon side, they're like, no,
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this says Pat's email. She's like, well, I'm looking at
it and it says Chris's email, and they're like, well,
that's wrong. I don't I don't know what you have,
but it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
On top of Amazon says you're wrong, You're probably wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
On top of that, Pat had been purchasing cyanide for months,
since about the first time Chris started getting sick. Do
you know what the symptoms of cyanide poisoning are? Dizzyness, weakness, confusion,
rapid or slow heart rate, chest pain or tightness, loss
of constiousness, nausea, among other things.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The minute you started the story, I'm like, he's being poisoned.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. Yeah, it seems that Pat must have been slowly
poisoning Chris with cyanide for a year, but fucking why, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What purpose do you gain? Yeah, this part I have
no theory for.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And even Kim doesn't mention a specific motive, but she
does tell people what she believes his last days were like,
and the cyanide isn't even the worst part. Kim believes
that her son Christopher was tortured for two days in
his own bedroom before being suffocated. In the very few
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crime scene photos that were taken, there was a chair
sitting next to the bed. A cord was tied to
one arm of that chair, and a necktie was tied
to the other arm of that chair. In the photos
of Christopher's body, there are slight markings on his legs
that resembled markings of restraint, like he was tied up
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to that chair. There seems to be a puncture mark
that goes right into Chris's vein on his neck at
the hairline of his beard, and there seemed to be
a fracture in his skull.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What is the puncture mark for?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Maybe they injected cyanide?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh yeah, like to try and finally kill.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Him, yeah, or to get him to calm the fuck
down if he was like, you know, trying to get
out restraints or something.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Kim has been posting this information, her theories, the police's evidence,
and her own collected evidence on her Facebook account Kim
Eric e Eric K.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
She tried to have it posted on a memorial Facebook
page for her son, but Pat and Stephen allegedly have
been getting into the account and deleting everything she posts,
so it's only on her own personal account. That's the
only place she can keep it. They have all of
his password information, so they keep getting into his accounts.
This case did at one point go before a grand
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jury to see if there was evidence enough to take
it to trial and accuse someone, anyone for his death,
but there just wasn't enough done by the police for
jurors to even look at. Sadly, this is still not
where this traumatic story ends for Kim. One day, Kim
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was at a museum and one of the exhibits.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Caught her eye.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It was a piece entitled The Thinker, as part of
an exhibit called Real Bodies. Kim to this day is
one hundred percent sure that the Thinker is Christopher todd Eric.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He was supposed to have been.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Cremated, but this body looks just like her son. The
skull fracture is there, there are parts of the muscle
missing where Christopher's tattoos would have been removed. Putting a
photo of this skull over a photo of Christopher turns
up identical results. And it may have started as just
(24:26):
a hunter a gut feeling, but Kim dug around and
found evidence, albeit circumstantial, to back up her thought process
with this one. The creator of the Real Body's Exhibit
has already been experiencing backlash over how he acquires the
human remains he uses in his exhibits. Some people have
accused him of purchasing pieces on some sort of black
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market organ harvesting sites, in which the people selling these
organs do so after allegedly allowing the deaths of prison inmates,
people they think no one will miss, or missing persons
whose bodies are never found. Obviously, these claims are all
(25:10):
dismissed by the creator of the exhibit as false, But
there is no factual documentation provided to the public of
who these people once were, and there are no current
laws requiring him to provide that information. So, like, we
just don't fucking know who these bodies are, who they
belong to. He says that they were all donated, but
(25:33):
we don't know by who because he doesn't have to tell.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. Over the years, as Kim continues to dig, she
has discovered that Stephen Chris's dad had a strange connection
to an organ harvesting organization. Based on our posts, it
seems that Stephen is part of some religious belief that
believes a human body is just a vessel. He also
has or once had, a nonprofit organization called Student Discipleship Ministries,
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which shares a street address with a company called Oxygen,
which is an organ harvesting company. So either he has
two companies in the same building, or he's sharing a
rental space, or he's using one to cover up the other. Also,
Stephen's wife, Tanya was listed as a top financial donor
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for a company that accepts human organ donations for cancer testing.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I don't I really don't believe that anyone would kill
their child specifically because they want to donate or sell
their organs. But I do think that selling your child's
body to people who won't admit they ever bought it
while claiming to have cremated your child would help cover
up a crime if one was committed, and it seems
to me like one was.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I don't die ilsick. The capacity of or like the
influence that all of this information takes in the true
crime world, it's very scary because it's not just this
one family of actor.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's not it's not just this one family. There is
another specific person who I plan to cover. Regarding the
same thing, a family member of this one specific person
has come out and says, I think that is my
family member. That is what my family member looked like, exactly,
that's my family member. She's missing, disappeared years ago, and
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suddenly I see her body. Like that's fucking terrifying and
scary and crazy and believable, you know, like where I
just ugh, Okay, anyway, let me finish my last paragraph.
So that's the story of Christopher Todd. Eric Kim is
continuing to push for the Real Bodies exhibit to announce
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who each of the bodies belong to. If they truly
are donations, then they shouldn't have to hide those names.
She is also pushing for DNA testing to be done
on the thinker to prove that it is not her son.
If they say it's not, prove it. Her main concern
is that after the exhibit is done with the bodies,
they don't last forever. They don't give them back to
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the families they want to belong to. They throw them
away in a mass grave, and she doesn't want that
for her son. So there's a couple of petitions that
she's posted. I think all of them are inactive as
of now. I assume she's going to have another that
becomes active. She has been posting since June that a
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documentary is going to be coming out about this case.
So hopefully it can get more traction and we can
figure out how to sign any petitions we need to
the Bodies exhibit. I believe right now, it was last
in Las Vegas, Nevada. I believe it's in Tennessee right now.
So do one favor, one humongous favor everybody, and do
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not pay to visit the Real Bodies Museum until they
tell us who the fuck those people are, because that's scary.
We don't even know what is going on in there
or if it's legal. It seems like it's not. Again,
I don't feel like, you know, I feel like people
would jump straight to, oh, it's a conspiracy that Why
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would that guy kill his son just to sell his body?
You know he can make money another way. Yeah, but
he's an abusive guy. What if he just killed a
son because he killed a son and was like, oh fuck,
what do I do now? I'll just sell his body?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Ye know? Oh? I saw that. That was horrifying that,
and it's like he's already like a bad person in
the one instance, Like maybe he's like, oh, this is
an easy way to hide it and benefit of the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Also, like I said at the beginning, the twenty two
people who went to school at Excel Academy when Christopher
went to school, there twenty two people who were just
there at the same time. Is that as him have died? Yeah,
can like attack when he died. That's fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No, that's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's weird. I don't know if that has to do
with Oregon. Don't but that that's a possibility. I don't
know if they've all been donated, but it is a
possibility that they were poisoned.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Wasn't justice or giving them what the what the fuck? Yeah,
that's not right. That is crazy though, Like, and I'm
really sad for him and all of these people that
have died for being in an environment that they didn't
ask to be in. Like yeah, and yes, people can
call it a conspiracy, it probably is, but it's also
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like it's.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Also someone's fucking life. His mom is living.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
This, Yeah, and like possibly several other families will be
too soon. So definitely keep us updated.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Fuck, yeah, yeah, I saw I saw it. It was like,
you know, a super I think it was freak as
I saw was mom found Oh oh, I have to
mention this too before anybody leaves. There have been several
posts on TikTok and stuff saying that the DNA was
tested and it was proved to be him. They will
(31:27):
not test it. She keeps saying, please don't share that
they have tested it, because they haven't and I'm still
trying to fight for them to test it. And if
people think it's already been tested, they're not going to
help me fight for it to be tested. It has
not been tested. They do not know for sure if
that is him or not. She believes in her heart
that it is, but she wants the test to prove
(31:50):
whether it is or not. So anyway, the post that
I saw was Mom walked into a museum and saw
her child's dead body on display, and I was like, no,
the fuck she didn't and I read it and no, yeah,
all of that, all of that fucking happened. We don't
know if it's him, but it seems like it's him.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, that in like TikTok, is you definitely have to
fact check when it comes to TikTok. I saw a
TikTok video the other day because Chris Watts was apparently
intact in prison and all of our TikTok it was
saying he was dead, and I was like, oh what,
So I like went to Google it and I was like, no,
he's not dead. Fucking stop. Yeah, don't make me jump
(32:28):
for joy for no reason. But he definitely deserved to
be you know, yeah, yeah, you definitely deserve to be
shaken up a little bit, sir. But that's crazy. Yeah,
do your fact checking and if you have any questions,
As always, our resources are down below. Yes, this is
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Speaker 1 (33:43):
You're muted. Oh yes, but they are in the show
notes as well. And I understand that that would be
taxing to scroll back, but you know, just en f
yi and yeah, because you find us on all of
the things anywhere else. So and yeah, do you have
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anything fun to talk about or mention?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I have something in some way, I have something to mention.
It's sort of uplifting and it's sort of a whole
other conspiracy. Okay, So in my own house, I have mice.
All right, y'all saw my baby mouse. Possibly I talked
about it. It didn't make it. I don't know where
(34:28):
the mom and mouse went. She's still here because she
poops fucking everywhere. It's disgusting. This moth is gonna piss
me off. It's disgusting and I can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And so.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
My efforts in catching her nicely are not working. And
so I told Jesse, do what you got to do.
I don't want to see it. I don't I don't
want to see what happens. He got sticky mouse traps.
He put one in the games room and one in
the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Once.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Let me tell you know, they're not okay. Oh, let
me tell you all right. So I don't use our
master bathroom because I'm still upset. He hasn't finished it.
I used the main bathroom, so I don't go in there.
But that's fine, you can put it in there. I
don't want to see it. Well, last night I heard it,
I heard squealing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I was like, this isn't okay. I don't I don't
like it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It stopped pretty quickly. I went to bed. This morning
I said to Jesse when I got up, I said,
is it in there? Can you get rid of it?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I don't want to see it?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And he walked in there and he was like, well
I thought it was. It's like, what do you mean?
He said, last night it got caught. I saw it.
I was just gonna let it, you know, not live,
so that I could take it out to the trash
in the morning. But it's not fair anymore. I was like,
(36:00):
what are you talking about. I went and looked at
the sticky mouse trap. It was all the way across
the room and covered in insulation.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So then I went to check the other one. Both
sticky mouse traps had crackers on him. I went to
check the other one and all around was no sticky
mouse trap, just cracker crumbs and black sticky mouse trap crumbs.
And I was like, what the actual fuck happened here?
(36:38):
So I started moving stuff around. I find the sticky
mouse trap. It crumbled in pieces. So the fucking mouse okay,
pinky in the brain live in my fucking house, all right.
One of them got stuck in the game's room and
ate his self free. He ate the fucking trap. How
do you eat through your stick mouse trap? Mouse?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
The other one was stuck on the sticky mouse trap
in my bathroom called to his buddy like, hey, I'm
fucking stuck, and he's like, here, put this soft, pink,
fluffy stuff under your butt and it'll let you free.
And it worked. He got himself free by making the
sticky stick to the insulation instead of his own Burt,
they're both free in my house again, like even I'm
(37:28):
glad they'd die.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Bad, Like I can't even be bad, Like at this point,
you kind of deserve to be there if I'm not, Like,
if they would just stop fucking shitting in my house,
I would just you guys, would you fucking live here?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Now? This is your house?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
But also please stop shitting in my house? So nasty?
I can't So what did Jesse say?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I mean, he said to me when I told him,
I told him exactly what I just told you, and
he said, that is ridiculous, But I don't know what
else could have happened, Like, yeah, it's the only explanation.
The ridiculous one is the only one.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
So yeah, I think outsmarted.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
We definitely got out smarted by fucking mice. I hope
it's enough to fucking leave. Okay, we clearly don't want
you here. Go find a different house.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah you got out this time. Yeah, let it be known.
A yea yeah, that's a hard problem to have. I mean,
our building had mice and it at one point. I
don't know where they went, but I remember hearing them
in the walls briefly. I'm happy that story ended the
way that it did, because the whole time you were
telling it, I was sitting here going I would not
remember who she's seking to.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I would not tell you that story, Okay, especially at
the end of that already sad tragedy.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, and so well, I can't. I'm not even like happy.
I just I'm like, I respect them more than a yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know what we're going to
do now. I don't know, like my my humane ways
of trying to capture them didn't work. Even the ways
the catch and release and I used to their own
baby is bait still didn't come you know. Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I was gonna say, because those boxes, yeah, that they
go in and they get stuck.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I planned on doing.
But I mean, if it's smart enough to not come
back for its baby and then eat its way out
of the sticky mouse trap, like, I don't know if
it'll go into one of those, you know, true, I.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Just don't know. I'm kind of invested, so let me
know what happens. I don't have anything like that. But
I do have a fly problem, I guess, and that's
fucking no fun at all. And I had to use
fly the sticky fly things, and I feel really bad,
but they are effective. Yeah, four in my house and
(40:10):
pretty much the problem is God, but it's just unfortunate
and I don't know where they're coming from. Goodness, gracious,
It's not like I leave food out. I clean my
house regularly. I'm not a disgusting person, although, so just
trying to get out of the heat. Maybe that's why
Kevin also wouldn't let me live it down because I
came home from two hot classes last night and I
(40:32):
put my towel in my mat on the floor and
within a few seconds there's like four flies on it.
Oh okay, I'm not that disgusting guys, Okay, can we
So He's like, yeah, well they know, they know what's
gross and unfortunate. It was rude, steady, how rude exactly,
(40:56):
So that problem is mostly gone. I just feel bad
about it when I watched them like trying to escape,
and I'm like, I'm sorry. Yeah, so, but my method
of catching and releasing was also not working. The like
six that I caught the other day in my bathroom
and took outside. They probably found their way back in here,
(41:17):
probably somehow. So to be continued, I guess we're both disgusting.
I don't know. We have burman, we have issues. We
have issues and uh we love you lots though, and
we will see you guys next week. For my I
haven't decided yet. I want to say it's going to
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Tuesday for a brand new episode.
Hello, twisted humans.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult or haunting.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you. I'm Alicia and
I'm Sierra and this is Twisted and Uncorked.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to episode two oh six of Twisted
and Uncorked. I did that thing again where I changed
the story I was going to cover last minute. The
night before last, I was just scrolling on my phone
and I ran into a truly shocking story on Facebook.
PS y'all can call me old for being on Facebook still,
(00:41):
but my algorithm just gets me and shows me all
the best stuff. So anyway, I saw this post and
I was like, well, that's a fake news story if
I've ever heard one. And then I googled it just
to verify and found out it was completely true. So
down the rabbit hole I went. Originally, I was going
to cover a fun story that I was going to
(01:01):
force into the unsolved category, though it could be disappeared, conspiracy, murderless,
or haunted. I'm saving that one for next time. This time,
I just have to share this shocking unsolved information with
you all. But first, do you have a fun fact
for me?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What Okay, Now, that's cool. There is a species of
jellyfish that can live forever apparently forever. How do we ever,
I don't know. According to along with it, they discovered
a Turito piscis doorning jellyfish okay, that can revert back
(01:40):
into its juvenile poll up stage after maturing, So it,
like Benjamin, buttons itself and continues in an endless cycle
for very young Yeah, that's crazy. Can you imagine just
like Benjamin buttoning and then like starting over and then
that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, I mean, with the write people taking care
of you, you know right well, dude, Yeah, But like
I'm sure one day they're going to use that jellyfish
DNA for humans to do it. So like, so like
I'm young and I'm raised, and then I'm an adult,
and then I have children, and I raise my children
(02:20):
and then they're adults, and then I am like.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You want to do it golful, you guys were when
you were kids. Now you have to raise your mom.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And make my kids raise me. That would be pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But then what if they can do the same thing,
then you're just like all children at the same time.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Then we get to live forever together.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's very possible. Cool, but how what are the logistics
of this?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, we have to take turns being adults.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, when you figure out that schedule, let me know.
Do you have a fun fact for me?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, okay, my fun fact is human body glow in
the dark. So let me tell you some science. All
living things emit a small source of life, not life light,
called a upe ultra weeek photon emission from what is
(03:17):
believed to be a byproduct of our metabolism. When your
body is undergoing oxidative stress or cellular wear and tear,
the other molecules around the stress ones become excited and
they're like moving around a lot, and they emit a light.
The light is one thousand times weaker than anything the
human eye can detect. So we don't see each other glowing,
(03:40):
but we could be really easy prey for other things
that can see us glow.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, that's fucked up, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Kind of creepy.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I kind of wish we could all see each other glow.
That would be I know, and I would feel like
that Kashia music video.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it'd be great. Speaking of glow in the dark,
today's episode pairs well with a drink that gives us
another fun fact. I'm sure as a bartender you already
know this, but for our listeners, tonic water and vitamin
B two ribe a flavin both glow under UV lights
and can be added to a drink to make a
(04:17):
glowing cocktail or mocktail. Today we are having a sort
of healthy cucumber mint lemonade that I just invented. You'll
want to muddle a few peeled slices of cucumber in
lemon juice and vodka, or skip the vodka for mocktail
top it with. I did sprite zero and then a
slapped mint sprig, and I also added vitamin B two
(04:41):
or vitamin B complex to give it a glow. It's fun,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm obsessed. Please tell me that the photo that you
took is of it glowing in the dark. Of course, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Why it took home forever, because I was like, I need.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
To kick a dark. That's hilarious, that's amazing. I actually
didn't know that. And how did you add vitamin B
twelve to it? How did you put it there? Liquid? Oh? Yeah,
they have it in for amazing. No, but I will
be doing that at a future party because that is
(05:19):
super fun. I am delicious. It is delicious.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I actually don't have any mint in mine because I
didn't have any mint and I didn't feel like going
to the store to get mint. It's probably way better
with mint. But the cucumber and lemon concoction is delicious
as is. And because it's clear, this was clear, I swear.
The vitamin B complex liquid is actually really bright orange,
(05:46):
like fluorescent orange. So when you put it in the
clear drink, it turns the drink yellow, and that's why
I kind of close that yellow color. So anyway, it's
a clear alcohol or clear drink, you can put the
vitamin B complex liquid form in and make it glow
under a easy light or black lights or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So cool. I'm obsessed with that. Next time I go
glow bowling, I'm just gonna bring it and put it drink.
You should.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Gloves.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I didn't get that glowing.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
One, but if you ask for a vodkatonic, it should
also glow. It glows blue.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It does, a little bit, but yeah, yeah, because that
is a favorite drink of mine. I did soda water
to top of mine up, and it's fucking tasty. I
had the lemon, the cucumber and the mint sitting in
the fridge for a really long time together for lemonade,
and man, she tasty.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm glad. I I really just wanted a glowing drink.
So it's like googling good ideas for glowing drinks, and
lemon and vodka was.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Pineapple and vodka was one of them. And I was like,
I'll I'll just do I have lemon juice at home.
I'll just do lemon. And I was like, oh, I
also have cucumber. I wonder if that would be good
because that's a clear thing, you know, So anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It is, and it's super refreshing on the hottest fuck day.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. Everybody, go
make your drinks, get.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Cozy, get them blowing in the dark. Let us know.
That's super fucking.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Cool, and let's come back to get into this craziness.
All right. Before we get started, I have to preface
my story with a bit of a PSA. This is
one of those stories where the police aren't looking into it,
so almost all of the information is coming coming from
a family member of the victim and her own personal investigation,
(07:48):
which does include police records from the scene of the
crime and journal entries from the victim, but the information
may be biased. Alls I have is her information, So
take everything I say with a great big allegedly that
I have to mention for legal purposes. Okay, she is
(08:10):
accusing people of things that I agree with, allegedly, all right,
So I am just here to share the information in
hopes that others make enough noise to make the police
want to investigate.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like Crystal McRory Jones exactly so.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Christopher Todd Eric was born in nineteen eighty nine to
parents Kim and Stephen, and was raised in mid Lothian, Texas.
It is noted that in records he was born with
a heart defect, but that it never affected him as
a growing child or a young adult. Sissy was also
(08:48):
born with a heart defect, and it healed itself before
her second birthday. I don't know exactly what Christopher's heart
defect was, or if it was completely healed itself the
way Sissy's did, but I do know that it did
not hold an back at all. He played all the
sports as a child. My dad was also born with
the same heart defect as to see, and his did
not heal. But he's now in his fifties, his loss
(09:10):
probably close to one hundred pounds in the last decade,
has abs and walks at least nine miles a day.
The heart defect thing is really an easy excuse used
in the future of this episode, so I'm just trying
to Devil's advocate here by explaining that a heart defect
is not always as serious as it may sound. So anyway,
growing up, Christopher seemed to be a great kid, but
(09:33):
he endured a lot of trauma, starting with his parents'
very messy divorce. His father, Stephen, was physically abusive to
his mother, and when they divorced, he did everything in
his power, mostly financially, with his parents backing him and
paying his attorney fees to keep Chris away from his mother.
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Stephen was given primary custody and Kim only got to
see her son every other weekend. Living with his dad
was no fun for Chris. Stephen remarried to an evil
stepmom type who Chris wrote about obviously not liking him,
and she had children of her own already, so he
noticed the difference in treatment that they received compared to him.
(10:17):
He also wrote about his dad hitting him, like how
Stephen used to hit Kim. Eventually, as a teen, Stephen
and his new wife Tanya decided that Chris needed to
go to a boarding school, specifically Excel Academy of the
Aspen Education Group, similar to the program which was talked
(10:37):
about in episode one fifty. But to give you an idea,
the kids had to wear orange jumpsuits all day, had
to do manual labor. When they weren't learning, were randomly
strip searched and put in hand for when the trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was like a.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Mini jail for kids who didn't even break the law
yet that's fuck yeah uh oh, And they gave the
boys testosterone injections, complaining about claiming it was for low
tea that none of them actually had. Fast forward all
these years later. Spoiler alert, Chris is the victim. Multiple
(11:15):
people from this school died in the years right before
or right after him, Like, we don't know why. We
don't know if it has anything to do with the school.
You'll understand when I get through this episode. We don't
know why, but so many people just died at a
young age after being.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
In that school.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thankfully it no longer exists. There were many lawsuits, though.
After Christopher graduated he got his own place, paying for
it with a quote unquote early inheritance that no one
has admitted where this came from, So like this was
one of the things that it was, like, did the
school like pay them off to not fucking say things.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No one the only people who may know where this
quote unquote early inhergence came from aren't saying, So we
don't know. I assume maybe the school, or maybe even
his dad and stepmom gave him money to, like, I
don't know, not move in with them. Again, that's just
a guess based on knowing that his step siblings also
(12:16):
had quote unquote trusts when they became adults, so maybe
it was something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
After being on his own for three years, though, he
must have run out of money, or got it taken
back from whoever gave it to him, or got into
some trouble. All we know is that about this time
he moved into a spare bedroom at his grandmother's house,
his dad's mom Pat He got big into health and
wellness and fitness, probably to expel all that extra testosterone
(12:46):
he was being given, and also big into religion. He
was even making plans to go to Bible College and
become a pastor. Okay, you do you, but this is
where things start to get weird. So, like I said, Christopher,
Eric is no longer with us. He has passed away.
He passed away while living at his grandmother's on November tenth,
(13:07):
twenty twelve, and according to Pat, his grandmother, he passed
away peacefully in his sleep. Clearly, Chris's father seemed like
a shitty person, so when Kim found out about her
son's young death, she was suspicious. But I didn't expect
to find such a weirdness from not only Chris's father
(13:31):
but also Grandma Pat.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So the weirdness.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Starts at least a year before his death, when he
had written a letter Chris to his mother explaining that
he couldn't come and visit her because he was sick.
From that day forward, he was sick often, like almost
every day. He wrote about his symptoms, confusion, delusions, fatigue, sleepiness,
(13:55):
so sleepy that he could sleep for nearly twenty four
hours straight, so confused that he thought God was coming
to him in visions telling him to prepare for his
impending death. When Chris was found dead in his bed,
first responders took photos of the scene and the body
and talked to the immediate family as in Grandma Pat
(14:17):
and father Stephen, and stepmom Tania. All of these people
explained Chris's heart defect to the first responders, and so
they assumed he died from natural causes. He had this
heart defect, he was sick, it happens he was born
that way. The medical examiner was able to see that
(14:37):
Chris had experienced two heart attacks before death, sounds normal
for someone with a heart condition. Case closed, no need
to even run the blood samples that they took until
Chris's mom, Kim, wouldn't let it go. Kim found it
odd that her son had been an athlete and a
(14:59):
fit this lover and somehow succumbs to his heart defect
at the age of twenty three when he had no
other issues before then. Immediately after death, Grandma Pat had
Chris's body cremated, adding to Kim's suspicions. She also found
it odd that Pat wouldn't work with her in planning
(15:20):
Chris's funeral. Pat was adamant that she had to pay
for Chris's funeral because she promised him that she would.
She also said that he told her he didn't want
a memorial, flowers, music, or prayers at his funeral. Kim
thought it was absolutely ridiculous, and so she planned a
(15:41):
memorial anyway, and Chris's grandmother, father, stepmom, and stepsiblings all
decided not to go, so they just didn't even go
to Chris's funeral. That's not what he wanted. Allegedly, after
Kim talked to the police about it all and convinced
him to run the blood test that they still had
(16:02):
but never tested, a very large amount of cyanide was
found in Chris's blood sample. This is when Grandma Pat
and dad Stephen finally admitted that Chris had completed suicide.
They provided police with a receipt from Chris's Amazon account,
(16:23):
which showed that he had purchased cyanide online to be
delivered to Grandma Pat's house where he lived. She also
handed over his suicide note, but it was too late
for trying to make new excuses. In Kim's mind, Kim
was believing none of it. She requested all of the
evidence that the police had to be turned over to
(16:45):
her for viewing. They agreed, probably partly because they were
cocky and partly because there wasn't much evidence there anyway,
they didn't take this as a crime, but what they
gave her was enough to convince me that this was
not a suicide. First, the suicide note was suspicious. The
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first few pages of the note are very biblical, while
the last part of it seems to rush through the
living will portion of what would be a suicide note.
It said in the last part that heaven and hell
are just a state of mind, and that he wants
to be cremated, and you know, this person should get
these things and that person should get those things. The
(17:28):
first part, though, seemed like a journal entry that had
nothing to do with dying. Uh, And what kind of
Christian would say that heaven and hell were a state
of mind and not want prayers and want to be
cremated and even kill themselves like those are Yeah, that's
tribal yep, suspicials. Maybe this was all just part of
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his delusions. He was sick. Except even the handwriting was different.
The end part of the written note looked very similar,
but definitely like a different person. Wrote it and potentially
just added it on to the beginning. So the beginning
was like, oh, this looks like every other page in
his journal, but the last like paragraphs who wrote that?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's weird And like you'd think that if you were
trying to fake somebody's handwriting or like write a note
on their behalf, that you would at least make an
effort to try and make it match.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, they tried, they just didn't do a very
good job trying.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh okay, because I'm like, you see handwriting analysis of
like slight differences and the way people even hold their pens,
so it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, you can tell. You could tell they tried, but
you can also tell it's not the same. All of
the photos of all of the evidence, by the way,
can be found on Kim Eric with the ck Smith Facebook,
which I'll get to at the end. But anyway, Kim
sent photos of the note to a member of the
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Georgia Bureau of Investigations since she was getting no help
in Texas, and they seemed to think that there was
definitely some discrepancies, but they told Kim that it was
out of their jurisdiction and she'd have to take it
up with the local or state police where the crime
was committed. Unfortunately, So the next thing that I'm like,
(19:21):
all right, you know the note. Maybe Mom's reading into
it too much. The next thing that has me convinced
is the receipt for the Amazon purchase of Cyanide, which
Pat provided to the police and they accepted as legit.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You id on fucking Amazon.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You could in twenty twelve. You can't do anymore. I
liked my Google search history is probably like, what the
fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I also.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Poisoning. Yeah, I googled why do people buy cyanide?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah? Oh yeah, you're all there's your tracks there, so
it was altered.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kim called the Amazon support team, so when they gave
her the receipt, the receipt said this is Chris's email
on the receipt, which Amazon doesn't really have receipts anymore,
but you know whatever. Twenty twelve, Kim called the Amazon
support team with the order number and was told on
(20:25):
a recorded line, which she posted on Facebook this conversation
that the order was purchased from Pat's account, Pat's email,
and Pat's debit card, even though the receipt says Chris's email,
so she literally changed it because on Amazon side, they're like, no,
(20:48):
this says Pat's email. She's like, well, I'm looking at
it and it says Chris's email, and they're like, well,
that's wrong. I don't I don't know what you have,
but it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
On top of Amazon says you're wrong, You're probably wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
On top of that, Pat had been purchasing cyanide for months,
since about the first time Chris started getting sick. Do
you know what the symptoms of cyanide poisoning are? Dizzyness, weakness, confusion,
rapid or slow heart rate, chest pain or tightness, loss
of constiousness, nausea, among other things.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The minute you started the story, I'm like, he's being poisoned.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. Yeah, it seems that Pat must have been slowly
poisoning Chris with cyanide for a year, but fucking why, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What purpose do you gain? Yeah, this part I have
no theory for.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And even Kim doesn't mention a specific motive, but she
does tell people what she believes his last days were like,
and the cyanide isn't even the worst part. Kim believes
that her son Christopher was tortured for two days in
his own bedroom before being suffocated. In the very few
(22:00):
crime scene photos that were taken, there was a chair
sitting next to the bed. A cord was tied to
one arm of that chair, and a necktie was tied
to the other arm of that chair. In the photos
of Christopher's body, there are slight markings on his legs
that resembled markings of restraint, like he was tied up
(22:21):
to that chair. There seems to be a puncture mark
that goes right into Chris's vein on his neck at
the hairline of his beard, and there seemed to be
a fracture in his skull.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What is the puncture mark for?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Maybe they injected cyanide?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh yeah, like to try and finally kill.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Him, yeah, or to get him to calm the fuck
down if he was like, you know, trying to get
out restraints or something.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Kim has been posting this information, her theories, the police's evidence,
and her own collected evidence on her Facebook account Kim
Eric e Eric K.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
She tried to have it posted on a memorial Facebook
page for her son, but Pat and Stephen allegedly have
been getting into the account and deleting everything she posts,
so it's only on her own personal account. That's the
only place she can keep it. They have all of
his password information, so they keep getting into his accounts.
This case did at one point go before a grand
(23:22):
jury to see if there was evidence enough to take
it to trial and accuse someone, anyone for his death,
but there just wasn't enough done by the police for
jurors to even look at. Sadly, this is still not
where this traumatic story ends for Kim. One day, Kim
(23:43):
was at a museum and one of the exhibits.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Caught her eye.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It was a piece entitled The Thinker, as part of
an exhibit called Real Bodies. Kim to this day is
one hundred percent sure that the Thinker is Christopher todd Eric.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He was supposed to have been.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Cremated, but this body looks just like her son. The
skull fracture is there, there are parts of the muscle
missing where Christopher's tattoos would have been removed. Putting a
photo of this skull over a photo of Christopher turns
up identical results. And it may have started as just
(24:26):
a hunter a gut feeling, but Kim dug around and
found evidence, albeit circumstantial, to back up her thought process
with this one. The creator of the Real Body's Exhibit
has already been experiencing backlash over how he acquires the
human remains he uses in his exhibits. Some people have
accused him of purchasing pieces on some sort of black
(24:49):
market organ harvesting sites, in which the people selling these
organs do so after allegedly allowing the deaths of prison inmates,
people they think no one will miss, or missing persons
whose bodies are never found. Obviously, these claims are all
(25:10):
dismissed by the creator of the exhibit as false, But
there is no factual documentation provided to the public of
who these people once were, and there are no current
laws requiring him to provide that information. So, like, we
just don't fucking know who these bodies are, who they
belong to. He says that they were all donated, but
(25:33):
we don't know by who because he doesn't have to tell.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. Over the years, as Kim continues to dig, she
has discovered that Stephen Chris's dad had a strange connection
to an organ harvesting organization. Based on our posts, it
seems that Stephen is part of some religious belief that
believes a human body is just a vessel. He also
has or once had, a nonprofit organization called Student Discipleship Ministries,
(26:05):
which shares a street address with a company called Oxygen,
which is an organ harvesting company. So either he has
two companies in the same building, or he's sharing a
rental space, or he's using one to cover up the other. Also,
Stephen's wife, Tanya was listed as a top financial donor
(26:29):
for a company that accepts human organ donations for cancer testing.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I don't I really don't believe that anyone would kill
their child specifically because they want to donate or sell
their organs. But I do think that selling your child's
body to people who won't admit they ever bought it
while claiming to have cremated your child would help cover
up a crime if one was committed, and it seems
to me like one was.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I don't die ilsick. The capacity of or like the
influence that all of this information takes in the true
crime world, it's very scary because it's not just this
one family of actor.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's not it's not just this one family. There is
another specific person who I plan to cover. Regarding the
same thing, a family member of this one specific person
has come out and says, I think that is my
family member. That is what my family member looked like, exactly,
that's my family member. She's missing, disappeared years ago, and
(27:37):
suddenly I see her body. Like that's fucking terrifying and
scary and crazy and believable, you know, like where I
just ugh, Okay, anyway, let me finish my last paragraph.
So that's the story of Christopher Todd. Eric Kim is
continuing to push for the Real Bodies exhibit to announce
(27:59):
who each of the bodies belong to. If they truly
are donations, then they shouldn't have to hide those names.
She is also pushing for DNA testing to be done
on the thinker to prove that it is not her son.
If they say it's not, prove it. Her main concern
is that after the exhibit is done with the bodies,
they don't last forever. They don't give them back to
(28:21):
the families they want to belong to. They throw them
away in a mass grave, and she doesn't want that
for her son. So there's a couple of petitions that
she's posted. I think all of them are inactive as
of now. I assume she's going to have another that
becomes active. She has been posting since June that a
(28:41):
documentary is going to be coming out about this case.
So hopefully it can get more traction and we can
figure out how to sign any petitions we need to
the Bodies exhibit. I believe right now, it was last
in Las Vegas, Nevada. I believe it's in Tennessee right now.
So do one favor, one humongous favor everybody, and do
(29:03):
not pay to visit the Real Bodies Museum until they
tell us who the fuck those people are, because that's scary.
We don't even know what is going on in there
or if it's legal. It seems like it's not. Again,
I don't feel like, you know, I feel like people
would jump straight to, oh, it's a conspiracy that Why
(29:24):
would that guy kill his son just to sell his body?
You know he can make money another way. Yeah, but
he's an abusive guy. What if he just killed a
son because he killed a son and was like, oh fuck,
what do I do now? I'll just sell his body?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Ye know? Oh? I saw that. That was horrifying that,
and it's like he's already like a bad person in
the one instance, Like maybe he's like, oh, this is
an easy way to hide it and benefit of the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Also, like I said at the beginning, the twenty two
people who went to school at Excel Academy when Christopher
went to school, there twenty two people who were just
there at the same time. Is that as him have died? Yeah,
can like attack when he died. That's fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No, that's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's weird. I don't know if that has to do
with Oregon. Don't but that that's a possibility. I don't
know if they've all been donated, but it is a
possibility that they were poisoned.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Wasn't justice or giving them what the what the fuck? Yeah,
that's not right. That is crazy though, Like, and I'm
really sad for him and all of these people that
have died for being in an environment that they didn't
ask to be in. Like yeah, and yes, people can
call it a conspiracy, it probably is, but it's also
(30:51):
like it's.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Also someone's fucking life. His mom is living.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
This, Yeah, and like possibly several other families will be
too soon. So definitely keep us updated.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Fuck, yeah, yeah, I saw I saw it. It was like,
you know, a super I think it was freak as
I saw was mom found Oh oh, I have to
mention this too before anybody leaves. There have been several
posts on TikTok and stuff saying that the DNA was
tested and it was proved to be him. They will
(31:27):
not test it. She keeps saying, please don't share that
they have tested it, because they haven't and I'm still
trying to fight for them to test it. And if
people think it's already been tested, they're not going to
help me fight for it to be tested. It has
not been tested. They do not know for sure if
that is him or not. She believes in her heart
that it is, but she wants the test to prove
(31:50):
whether it is or not. So anyway, the post that
I saw was Mom walked into a museum and saw
her child's dead body on display, and I was like, no,
the fuck she didn't and I read it and no, yeah,
all of that, all of that fucking happened. We don't
know if it's him, but it seems like it's him.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, that in like TikTok, is you definitely have to
fact check when it comes to TikTok. I saw a
TikTok video the other day because Chris Watts was apparently
intact in prison and all of our TikTok it was
saying he was dead, and I was like, oh what,
So I like went to Google it and I was like, no,
he's not dead. Fucking stop. Yeah, don't make me jump
(32:28):
for joy for no reason. But he definitely deserved to
be you know, yeah, yeah, you definitely deserve to be
shaken up a little bit, sir. But that's crazy. Yeah,
do your fact checking and if you have any questions,
As always, our resources are down below. Yes, this is
(32:49):
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Speaker 2 (33:09):
You can cut this out if you don't want to
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so you can go to patreon dot com slash twisted
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If you want it all on one place and you
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(33:32):
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So anyway, check out our Patreon. It's got a lot
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Speaker 1 (33:43):
You're muted. Oh yes, but they are in the show
notes as well. And I understand that that would be
taxing to scroll back, but you know, just en f
yi and yeah, because you find us on all of
the things anywhere else. So and yeah, do you have
(34:05):
anything fun to talk about or mention?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I have something in some way, I have something to mention.
It's sort of uplifting and it's sort of a whole
other conspiracy. Okay, So in my own house, I have mice.
All right, y'all saw my baby mouse. Possibly I talked
about it. It didn't make it. I don't know where
(34:28):
the mom and mouse went. She's still here because she
poops fucking everywhere. It's disgusting. This moth is gonna piss
me off. It's disgusting and I can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And so.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
My efforts in catching her nicely are not working. And
so I told Jesse, do what you got to do.
I don't want to see it. I don't I don't
want to see what happens. He got sticky mouse traps.
He put one in the games room and one in
the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Once.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Let me tell you know, they're not okay. Oh, let
me tell you all right. So I don't use our
master bathroom because I'm still upset. He hasn't finished it.
I used the main bathroom, so I don't go in there.
But that's fine, you can put it in there. I
don't want to see it. Well, last night I heard it,
I heard squealing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I was like, this isn't okay. I don't I don't
like it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It stopped pretty quickly. I went to bed. This morning
I said to Jesse when I got up, I said,
is it in there? Can you get rid of it?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I don't want to see it?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And he walked in there and he was like, well
I thought it was. It's like, what do you mean?
He said, last night it got caught. I saw it.
I was just gonna let it, you know, not live,
so that I could take it out to the trash
in the morning. But it's not fair anymore. I was like,
(36:00):
what are you talking about. I went and looked at
the sticky mouse trap. It was all the way across
the room and covered in insulation.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So then I went to check the other one. Both
sticky mouse traps had crackers on him. I went to
check the other one and all around was no sticky
mouse trap, just cracker crumbs and black sticky mouse trap crumbs.
And I was like, what the actual fuck happened here?
(36:38):
So I started moving stuff around. I find the sticky
mouse trap. It crumbled in pieces. So the fucking mouse okay,
pinky in the brain live in my fucking house, all right.
One of them got stuck in the game's room and
ate his self free. He ate the fucking trap. How
do you eat through your stick mouse trap? Mouse?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
The other one was stuck on the sticky mouse trap
in my bathroom called to his buddy like, hey, I'm
fucking stuck, and he's like, here, put this soft, pink,
fluffy stuff under your butt and it'll let you free.
And it worked. He got himself free by making the
sticky stick to the insulation instead of his own Burt,
they're both free in my house again, like even I'm
(37:28):
glad they'd die.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Bad, Like I can't even be bad, Like at this point,
you kind of deserve to be there if I'm not, Like,
if they would just stop fucking shitting in my house,
I would just you guys, would you fucking live here?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Now? This is your house?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
But also please stop shitting in my house? So nasty?
I can't So what did Jesse say?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I mean, he said to me when I told him,
I told him exactly what I just told you, and
he said, that is ridiculous, But I don't know what
else could have happened, Like, yeah, it's the only explanation.
The ridiculous one is the only one.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
So yeah, I think outsmarted.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
We definitely got out smarted by fucking mice. I hope
it's enough to fucking leave. Okay, we clearly don't want
you here. Go find a different house.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah you got out this time. Yeah, let it be known.
A yea yeah, that's a hard problem to have. I mean,
our building had mice and it at one point. I
don't know where they went, but I remember hearing them
in the walls briefly. I'm happy that story ended the
way that it did, because the whole time you were
telling it, I was sitting here going I would not
remember who she's seking to.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I would not tell you that story, Okay, especially at
the end of that already sad tragedy.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, and so well, I can't. I'm not even like happy.
I just I'm like, I respect them more than a yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know what we're going to
do now. I don't know, like my my humane ways
of trying to capture them didn't work. Even the ways
the catch and release and I used to their own
baby is bait still didn't come you know. Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I was gonna say, because those boxes, yeah, that they
go in and they get stuck.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I planned on doing.
But I mean, if it's smart enough to not come
back for its baby and then eat its way out
of the sticky mouse trap, like, I don't know if
it'll go into one of those, you know, true, I.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Just don't know. I'm kind of invested, so let me
know what happens. I don't have anything like that. But
I do have a fly problem, I guess, and that's
fucking no fun at all. And I had to use
fly the sticky fly things, and I feel really bad,
but they are effective. Yeah, four in my house and
(40:10):
pretty much the problem is God, but it's just unfortunate
and I don't know where they're coming from. Goodness, gracious,
It's not like I leave food out. I clean my
house regularly. I'm not a disgusting person, although, so just
trying to get out of the heat. Maybe that's why
Kevin also wouldn't let me live it down because I
came home from two hot classes last night and I
(40:32):
put my towel in my mat on the floor and
within a few seconds there's like four flies on it.
Oh okay, I'm not that disgusting guys, Okay, can we
So He's like, yeah, well they know, they know what's
gross and unfortunate. It was rude, steady, how rude exactly,
(40:56):
So that problem is mostly gone. I just feel bad
about it when I watched them like trying to escape,
and I'm like, I'm sorry. Yeah, so, but my method
of catching and releasing was also not working. The like
six that I caught the other day in my bathroom
and took outside. They probably found their way back in here,
(41:17):
probably somehow. So to be continued, I guess we're both disgusting.
I don't know. We have burman, we have issues. We
have issues and uh we love you lots though, and
we will see you guys next week. For my I
haven't decided yet. I want to say it's going to
(41:40):
also be unsolved, but to be the tune Tay and
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