Episode 213 - It's Not Okay! - CONSPIRACY

***A terrible thing happened for the first time in 4 years! Alecia's mic stopped working and recorded through her webcam instead, so sorry twisted humans, we fixed it the best we could <3***

Despite the above series of unfortunate event, nothing is more unfortunate than Alecia's case today. Buckle up for the unbelievable story of Lauryn Licari, a 13 year old girl who was cyber stalked and harassed by an unknown number for over a year, tearing her apart from friends and relationships. Let us know your thoughts as always and keep it twisted.

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Resources used in todays story: 
Unknown Number: The High School Catfish
https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/unknown-number-the-high-school-catfish-where-are-lauryn-kendra-licari-now
https://www.elle.com.au/culture/entertainment/are-kendra-licari-shawn-licari-still-married-unknown-number/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/unknown-number-catfish-stalking-documentary-netflix-1235423879/

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Twisted humans.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Than this is the podcast for you.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra, and this is Twisted and Uncorked.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello, and welcome to episode two one three of your
favorite podcast. I don't know why I said it like that.
I have a feeling Serea's gonna have a bone pick
with me. But that's okay because I am just as
awkward today as I was in high school. And let's
face it, today's story is pretty unbelievable, So all that

(00:43):
I could think that it paired well with was high school.
So that is what Sierra and I are dressing up
as today. We're gonna reveal here in three two one.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Tana, Oh, you look spooky.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
That is so fucking awesome. I'm a dead student. I'm
a dead prep school student or undead zombie, whatever you
want to call it. Sierra's Hannah Montana. That is the
greatest thing ever, because, let's face it, we grew up
watching Hannah Montana Wizards of Waverley Place. Jonas so well done.

(01:26):
How did you throw to get that together so quickly? Well?
Or were you being vague when you said you were
gonna throw on a wig for fun.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Okay, So this is what happened. Originally, I was like,
I cannot decide what to do, and so I was
going to wear. I have this old like jacket, you know,
like with pads in it and stuff that I wore
I think to be Bonnie and Clyde one time. And
it has a skirt and it's yellow and I have

(01:56):
a red like maroon colored tie that was Jesse's. And
when I was in high school, those were my school
colors were maroon and gold, and so I was like, oh,
you know, we didn't wear uniforms when I was in
high school. But I was like, I'll just wear ma
roon and gold, you know, clover. Yeah, And then I
put it on and I was like, I don't like
this at all, and I was thinking in the back

(02:18):
of my head, what else could I do? Well, Sissy
wore this shirt yesterday to school, and I was like,
I have a wig, I have this shirt. I can
make this work. So that's what I did instead.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Honestly, I kind of worked out perfectly because we are
Disney kids at heart. Let's see, sir, and you did
that very well. Also, when you wear that wig and
that colored lipstick, I still can't get over how much
you look like your mom.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think that this wig tells me more than anything
in the whole world, that I should never, ever ever
die my hair blonde. It looks so bad with my skins.
I've got really hard to put on like a whole
bunch of pink blush because it just does not fucking
match my skin tone at all. I hate this wig.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
But I don't look good.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Blondie there, Hannah Montana. Is you know she was wearing
a blonde wigs?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I can't. I'm excited that she's doing a twentieth anniversary tour.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think that'll be cool. I don't know if I
will pay the money that I paid for the Jonas
Brothers twentieth anniversary tour. But yeah, not as much of
a Miley Cyrus fan as I am our boys I would.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I would be more interested if she didn't make music
in the last like decade.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
High school.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I love throwback, yeah, but everything new, It's fine.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I'm just an ordinary girl. Sometimes somebody's gonna assume me
just because that was offensive and.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
They were just listening to seven Things I Hate About.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You, Yes's Kiss, Chef's Kiss. Kevin actually gave me the
idea for what I'm currently wearing because he used to
watch an anime show called Zombie High or Monster Zombie
High or some sort of zombie high school. So and
they like defeat zombies, but they're also like good zombies,

(04:22):
if that makes sense, kind of like demon hunters with
one of them actually being a demon. So yeah, you
know that kind of vibe. So he gave me this
idea because I could not find anything that was like
me in high school, because I was originally going to
wear an outfit that I for sure wore back then,
but I was having a hard time at the thrift
store because apparently those things died and they should just

(04:44):
stay dead unless you wuent a hollister, and then it's
like shopping when you were at high school all over again.
Right now, it's deeply disturbing. But I did thinke up
that I feel Sierra would be proud of.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
There's even some scratches my neck. I did do them
on my arms, and then I realized that I was
platting on putting jacket on, so it was really for nothing,
but that's okay. You know. I was also going to
get Kevin a rip it the.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Things at high school, Uh, that you wore at high school?
If a thrift store is because they're too popular to.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh yeah at their vintage now yes, yes, except they're
not laying like seventeen shirts like we used to do.
For some reason. No not, I still don't understand, so
I uh yeah, I'm gonna shoot, I'm not gonna put
this on camera because my skirt is very short. But
this is why Kevin was being oh gosh, a berv

(05:43):
He's like, when where did that skirt come from? I'm like,
I've had it since high school? In my costume, dwer
that's where it lives. It will stay there. But uh yeah,
so this was fun. I'm glad that we went different
vibes for this because I feel like the chaotic energy

(06:04):
is going to be needed because you want to be mad.
Oh great, real mad. Listen. We tried to keep things
light and not murdery for the Halloween season because it
feels like a dick move to be wearing a costume
when somebody is horrifically murdered. Yeah, but this is still
pretty pretty bad. But I think it's important to talk

(06:26):
about and it's very relevant right now, so I also
wanted to talk to you about it before we get
into that sore. I do you have a fun back turn?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I do. My fun fact is about axe.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Lotels aka real life pokemon.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, sometimes when they're little, they snack on their siblings
limbs when the food is scarce. But it's okay because
axe lottles regenerate, it'll go back. They're a little cannibalistic
when they need to be. They don't kill each other,

(07:09):
they just you know, I feel it goes well with
your costume. Maybe it does, but just snacking on each
other a little.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know, I don't like acxe lottles each other or fine,
hold on, I'm just a little snacky. If I could
just have like a bitier channel, that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Only like the weaker ones. I don't think that makes
it better. It says, to prevent this from happening, they
should be housed with tank mats of similar sizes and
provided with enough food and hiding spots to reduce stress
and aggression. But like and cannibalism, yeah, like, don't let
a big one get by a little one, because that

(07:48):
big one will be like, man, you're looking like a snack.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I wonder, and not in a good way.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
No, I wonder if this is why Rachel has her
axe lottles some two separate tanks. I feel like I
need to inquire, but I don't know if I want to.
That's up there with the cuckoo bird. I'm just saying,
oh yeah. If anyone didn't watch that episode on YouTube,
you should, because my face is pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Also, you should be aware that we eventually, right after
that episode, found out that the same information was talked
about on an episode of Big Bang Theory, which we've
both seen multiple times and just never latched on.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think it's because it was horrifying. We're just like
the memorized that. Yeah, nope, Well, my practice high school
adjacent in that. We all loved the movie Mean girls,
tell me you did not watch that at a sleep
or when you were in high school at some point.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I've seen it so many times that I can quote
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So yeah, perfect, so fun. Fact apparently Amy Poehler was
only seven years older than Rachel mccadams when she took
the role of the cool mom in Mean Girls. Rachel
at the time was twenty five playing Regina George and
Amy was thirty two, so they had to like really
give her some cakey makeup to look a little bit

(09:11):
older and the pink juicy, the pink juicy suit, chef's
kiss the dog. I can't. Yeah, I think a regular mom.
I'm a cool mom.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I think it's so funny that people can play such
a wide variety of ages. I believe when Gilmore Girls started,
Laane was the same age as Laura Lai, even though
she's Rory's best friend.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You are correct. I remember seeing that fun practice well
and being like, well, I guess she's Asian and it
checks out. I mean, you guys have great skin.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean she still looks like she's.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, she probably looks the same. Yeah, I will just
keep doing my good skincare. Thanks to see HER's friendly
reminders on Southern radients, go follow her and speaking of
high school adjacent, today's drink pairs well with cheap beer
in the park, apple Growers and something way too fucking blue,

(10:14):
because when I was in high school, I definitely mixed
vodka and blue raspberry sour pusser. So I just basically
had vodka on vodka, okay, and that's what I would
drink with my friends. I still can't look at blue
sour Puss without feeling.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I thought you were going to say mine is a
lot bluer. I'm sorry, yours is a lot. I did
not have very much spiral leva left. I thought you
were going to say hypnotic, and I was like, why
did we have the same high school experience? I don't
know why, but that's all.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
This is the exact color it is. That's why I
was like, oh my gosh, I think it's because I
have a lot of lemon in here to make it
blue raspberry. So yeah, your recipe is a healthier vision today,
Twisted Humans, because Sierra and she actually originally brought in

(11:10):
the Spirollina into our lives with another blue raspberry lemonade
recipe that was different, like one hundred episodes ago. So
you are going to need muddled fresh raspberries, lemon juice,
and simple syrup. If you feel so inclined, do a
splash of lemonade add your spirillina. If you don't have

(11:32):
spear llina and you want to just have a virgin
blue cocktail, with us. You can add a little bit
of blue dye and top with soda water. So I
only had like half a tea spoon of sperero leina left.
That's why it's kind of a greeny blue. It's the lemonade,
but it still tastes good and I get to show
off my new ghost cup.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I love it, and Mina is very similar. I don't
know if you've seen it. I don't have it right now.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Your cups I have seen it. That was the first
thing that I thought of when Brienna it to me.
I was like, oh, Sierra has a cup like that.
She's like, okay, It's like when you get a new
toy when you're a kid. You're like, Peter has fun too. Yeah,
makes it more exciting. How did you make your drink?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I metaled raspberries and put in lemon juice. I didn't
have any what do you call it simple syrup, but
I did put raspberry lemonade in it to try and
get the rass the lemon down a little, because I
didn't realize until after I had put the linen lemonon
that I didn't have anything to sweeten it with.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Mine is super lemony.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And then I did the tonic water with blue spyrolina
and mix it together and port it on top Yours.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Doesn't even look fully. I had to strain mine. It
foams so fast.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Mine foamed also, but I mixed it all in a
different cup and poured it into this one.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Still pretty look at that, guys. It's healthy for your
gut and it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
If you would like to have an alcoholic version of that,
drink some blue hypnotic or blue soour puss there, you're
gonna get the same result. But as our listeners on
YouTube will notice, I also have a glass of wine
with me because I don't work tonight, so nice. I
wanted to have a glass of wine because rage. Before

(13:21):
we get into this week's story, we are going to
take a quick break. High school is hard enough for
any teenager, let alone when you add the element of bullying.
Imagine waking up one morning to a text that says
your boyfriend hates you, and another you should just kill yourself,
and then nothing until months later the texts return, relentless,

(13:45):
obsessive mile and they continue for over a year. What
begins as ordinary teenage drama soon escalates into months of
digital torment and eventually law enforcement and the FBI get involved.
When Cierra and I were entering high school, social media
was just beginning to take off. MySpace, Nexopia, Facebook became

(14:07):
our online identities. But we were also heavily taught how
easy it was for people to hide behind a screen.
We learned a lot about protecting ourselves from our internet
predators and bullies. And I myself was targeted in school,
and I know just how isolating and diminishing it can feel.
So my heart is with the teens of this story.

(14:28):
The text messages that they received were so horrific and
graphic that they even made the detectives working on the
case I uncomfortable. Do you know what I'm covering?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
It? Is this the Netflix documentary? I haven't seen it?
So oh no, I haven't watched it. I know what
happens because I'm all over Facebook, but I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Released in August twenty twenty five, Unknown Number or Unknown Number,
The High School Catfish dives into the shocking and heartbreaking
case out of Beal City, Michigan means Lauren Lacari and
her then boyfriend Owen McKinney, just thirteen at the time,
began receiving a flood of anonymous, harassing and demeaning texts. Truthfully,

(15:12):
I had never heard this case before this documentary came
on to my feet, and it was simply too shocking
not to talk about. So here we go. Beale City,
Michigan is a tiny town with one bar and two
traffic lights. The Internet, and specifically social media, was a
main component of entertainment for the teens that grew up here.

(15:36):
Pretty much every teen today communicates with friends via text
messages as well. In October of twenty twenty, Lauren received
the first text message from an anonymous number saying that
she was ugly and that her boyfriend at the time, Owen,
didn't like her anymore. Owen and Lauren had met in
the seventh grade when they were both twelve years old.

(15:56):
They bonded over their love of sports, and you know,
they got along really well out on the field together.
Owen was instantly smitten and told his mom Jill, about
this pretty blonde that he had met. Yes, they were young,
but it was very innocent, and the parents became friends
and the families would hang out quite often, letting their

(16:17):
kids be together. That October, Owen's friend Chloe Wilson was
going to be throwing a Halloween party at her house.
She had invited pretty much the entire grade, and while
Lauren wasn't explicitly invited, Owen and her were dating, so
he was planning on bringing her anyway. Lauren thought that

(16:37):
maybe this anonymous text and this upcoming party were somehow related.
She had friends, but struggled with some of the meaner
girls in their grade, and she really didn't want to go.
She just wanted to hang out with Owen that night,
and then that was kind of it from the anonymous texter.
The party passed and the school year continued. Owen and

(16:59):
Lauren continued to date and everyone had a great summer.
Lauren was looking for looking forward to high school next year,
joining the eighth grade, and that September of twenty twenty one,
Lauren received more anonymous texts. The messages contained insults, sexual content,
and statements that Owen didn't like her anymore and was

(17:22):
in love with this anonymous texture. They attacked Lauren's body,
appearance and her mental state, and they even went as
far as to tell her to kill herself. What language
so extreme that the family of her school and her
school expressed a deep protective concern, and then Owen started
receiving text messages telling him to break up with Lauren.

(17:45):
Oh my god, oh okay, following so far knowing what?
I know?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
What the actual fuck? What's happening?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah. Initially the school in no As the harassment continued,
Lauren Owen, their parents, and school officials reported the messages
to local law enforcement. Investigators interviewed Lauren and Owen's friends,
believing that the messages were coming from another student, possibly
somebody jealous of Owen and Owen and Lawrence relationship. They

(18:16):
were affectionately known as the Golden Couple because there were
both these cute little blondes and it was just like
so perfect and innocent. Initially, the school encouraged the teams
to block the phone number, but the texts kept coming
from a different number every time. Whoever was using these
texts was using a random number generator, making that impossible. Sorry,

(18:38):
that's where we're sending these texts, not using them.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
That's why I am super against apps like WhatsApp, because
you can choose any phone number, or at least you
could once upon a time. I don't know about now,
because I don't have it because I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, but I get a lot of random texts from
random phone numbers. Yeah, but are usually scamps.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, when What's up For came out, you could choose
the number that was already real, Like I could send
a text message. I did it. I thought it was crazy.
I sent a text message from I typed it. It
asks what number do you want this to be from?
And I typed in like I don't know my sister's
number or something, And I sent a text message to

(19:19):
my brother to see if it would work. And now,
if the number is saved in your phone, like as Cheyenne,
it won't pop up as Cheyenne, but it will pop
up as her phone number. So when you look at it,
you're like, that's weird. Why isn't it popping it up
as you? I should have your numbers saved. But it
was the phono. So if you called that number back,
like hey, who is this, it would call the person

(19:41):
that it wasn't it would call the actual person, not
the WhatsApp. Freaking crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
That is crazy. I don't know if that's still I
don't know, that's fucked up. Yeah, So this was There
are apps can create random phone numbers that basically do
the same thing. I don't know why these apps exist,
but yeah, tell me a legitimate I wanted to say,

(20:09):
scientific reason why these apps should exist and then I
will be fine. But otherwise this is fucked up. Yeah.
The parents tried to console their kids and convince them
to ignore the text, but when you're receiving anywhere between
five and fifteen texts a day makes it kind of hard.
Lauren's mom, Kendra and Owen's mom Jill would compare their

(20:31):
kids text messages ask other parents and were obviously very upset.
They were determined to find out who was doing this
and make it stop, and they were frustrated that it
wasn't happening as quickly as they could. Owen, Lauren, and
their friends were also hyper aware of everyone around them
at school. If they got a text from the anonymous

(20:51):
messenger while they were there, they would look around to
see who was on their phones, and they began making
a list of names could have possibly been or certain
cliques within the school. Finally, it became too much for
their young relationship, and Owen decided to break up with Lauren,
not because he didn't love her or wanted to make

(21:12):
it work, but because he was hoping that by giving
their torments or what they ultimately wanted, that the messages
would stop, but they did not. In fact, they got
much worse and more vulgar. Investigators from multiple jurisdictions in
the area and the FBI began working in tandem. Digital
forensics would end up playing a crucial role by tracing

(21:35):
the IP addresses linked to the specific apps that were
used to do the random number generation, and then they
were able to go to search warrant to see who
had signed up for these services within the area and
two IP addresses would come back. They also examined phone
logs and you know, slowly peeled back all the layers

(21:56):
of antinity. You know what I tried to say, I
don't think I can get it out.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
And a mid tity.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yes, thank you, I was like, and then that's what
that's sounded like. The texts were also very specific. They
knew where the kids were at any given time, if
they were in the middle of a sport or having
a bad game, so it had to have been somebody

(22:24):
close to them. Lauren started to suspect that it might
be somebody on her basketball team, as a result, and
Chloe Wilson became an early suspect. She and Lauren had
never really gotten along, and Chloe was friends with Owen,
so she thought it was possible that he liked him
and was trying to drive them apart. That and Chloe

(22:44):
had already gained a name for being a bit of
a mean girl in her school. A text that came
through had a Florida area code at the same time
that Chloe and her family were on vacation in Florida,
so it seemed even more likely that she could be
the person and behind the texts. She and another friend
of hers and Owen's, Sylvia, were questioned, but they were

(23:06):
adamant that they had nothing to do with the messages.
Chloe even turned her phone over to the FBI to
let them search it completely goodness. Owen received a few
text messages containing photos of him and Chloe when they
were younger, and he thought it was weird that she
would out herself like that and just openly post photos
of herself within the text. That, and she let the

(23:30):
police search her phone. So why would you literally point
the finger directly at yourself if you were.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
That clearly is framing her then.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Correct, so people started to think that it was possible
that somebody was trying to pinpoint it on her. But
then another clue comes through a text message to Lauren
stating how much Owen liked one of his new Christmas
gifts with a photo of the side of his leg
and some presents sitting next to him. Whoever had taken

(24:00):
this photo had to have been at Owen's family's Christmas party.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Adriana, Owen's cousin, was then looked into. She went to
the same school as them and was a grade younger.
She was quiet and kept mostly to herself, but she
was heavily questioned by police. They were so convinced that
her motive was to frame Chloe because Chloe had been
mean to her in the past, but she really liked

(24:26):
Warrem and had nothing against her cousin overall. To this day,
Adriana is so upset that she was viewed as a
suspect for as long as she was that she still
has a little bit of police officer PTSD, which makes
me really sad. Yeah, again, these kids are thirteen years old. Yeah, like,
put yourself back to being thirteen.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
My child is thirteen yeah, what, Like.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
The fuck the level of bullying is so disgusting, And
then like, it's hard to focus on learning, It's hard
to focus on enjoying the experiences that you're having. It's
hard to focus on enjoying a young relationship like it
tormented all of these kids. Now, enough time has gone

(25:11):
on here that listeners have likely watched the documentary or
have unfortunately had it spoiled for them on social media,
much like Sierra. But if you don't, if you haven't
and you don't want this to be spoiled, stop the
episode here and come back. Investigators were so busy looking
at people on the outside of Lauren's life that they
never thought to look inside, and the discoveries that they

(25:33):
make are truthfully shocking.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
The call is coming from inside the house.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
The person responsible for the horrendous texts flooding these teens
was Lauren's very own mother.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Literally, what the fucking fuck? Literally inside the house.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Unbelievable. So they discover the two IP addresses that are linked.
They're linked to a Roger's account that is owned by
the same person, Kendra Lacari. Do you think okay go.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I just okay? I just don't understand. I don't understand
a human being who has a child who is so
upset about these things happening to their child to the
point where they want police involvement, and really it's them
all along that seems to be exactly what happened here.

(26:28):
I don't understand it. Do you think there is a
possibility that this little girl needed attention and was doing
it to herself and the mom covered it up for
because I would cover it up for my kid. She's
just a fucking psycho.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, she feel confessed, right, But what I'm saying is
I would also please approach the house to talk to her.
Like they don't initially want to tell Lauren that they've
found this out, and you can see her like try
and backpedal on the cam like on that body camp

(27:04):
a little bit. She's like, oh no, like how could
it have been coming from me? Like is somebody trying
to frame me? Now? And they're like, no, we have
like heart proof that this is coming from your phone,
your location, your account.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So they get a search warrant for all of her
documents and then she still tries to hide another phone
that she has. My God, So Lauren finds out her
facial expressions are a mix of like complete disbelief, Like
she almost looks catatonic while the police are talking, and
Kendra's like holding her and like patting her head, and

(27:46):
I'm like, you psychotic cunt, like you are supposed to
protect your child. Yeah, and if you read some of
these messages, like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Would you like to give you a few examples.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Text messages included all one is breaking up with you.
We're going to a hotel this weekend. His p my pussy.
You are the ugliest person I'd ever seen. Ain't no
one want to see your anaixic flat ass. He wants sex.
He doesn't want you. Kill yourself, die, bitch, kill yourself

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now or I will. What the fuck? You've never felt
such rage watching anything in my entire life. And then
when you double down and you dig further into this case,
which I did, because a lot unfolded after the documentary.
So the documentary ends with Lauren going to school following

(28:45):
this police interaction, and it's acknowledged that she is going
to be charged with stocking the minor, essentially because this
went on for X amount of time. So they eventually
because they got their search warrants to search everything, and
then Lauren goes to school and all over social media,

(29:06):
all over the news are pictures of Kedro's bugshot. So
Lauren learns at school that her mom has been arrested
for this, and everyone's like checking in with her, but
then also mad because she harassed a lot of these
teens as well. Yeah, and then additionally accused them of

(29:28):
you them, and like they were traumatized from like having
to deal with police and having everyone of their grade
point fingers at them and call them meme, and like,
like you can see these kids now a year and
a half later, they're in they're like fifteen, sixteen years
old recounting what happened, and they're like still so upset
by this that like people thought that they could be

(29:49):
capable of something that's horrible. So I digress. Oh, and
even went on to date somebody else in a different county,
and then when that girl and her mom started getting
text messages like in the same fucking behavior. So when
she's interviewed for the documentary, people are like, she even says,

(30:11):
and this is probably the mean that you saw that
ruined it for you was people are probably gonna think
I'm crazy, and she's like laughing. Her reasoning behind this
is that she suffered her own traumas as a teen.
Whether or not it's true, I don't know, but she
does admit in the documentary to being raped when she
was seventeen, So in her mind with daughter, she was

(30:33):
trying to protect her daughter from possibly going down the
same path. And I'm like, what path? Nope, nope. And
then Jill's mom or not Jill's mom, Owen's mom's Jill
was really good friends with Kendra throughout this entire process,
so she's like thinking back on different interactions that they've

(30:56):
had and like because their families would hang out all
the time, and it felt a little bit like Kendra
was like a little bit obsessed with Owen, Like anything
that he needed, she would be like, oh, go get
that for you right away, and like almost doated on
him in an inappropriate way. So the investigators even asked,
like was it sexually motivated? Like we were you jealous

(31:19):
of the relationship your daughter was having with this teenage boy?
Like what is happening here? So I personally believe that
that has to be the only motive because I cannot
wrap my head around talking to your kid this way
without it being some sort of like sick fucking fantasy

(31:41):
of you being jealous, Like this is not protecting your kid.
This is causing her irreparable psychological damage for the rest
of her life.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
This is like mental munchausen is by proxy.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's insane. Like I've never witnessed behavior like this. I
have never witnessed some brush off behavior as being okay,
where is she now? So in December of twenty twenty two,
Kendra was arrested. Like I said, it gets brought up.
They never brought the trial or sorry, they never brought

(32:15):
the case to trial. Because she pled guilty to two
counts of stocking of minor. She was sentenced, and her
official prison time varied by coverage, but some accounts cite
nineteen months as the minimum term that she was given,
but she was ultimately released in August of twenty twenty four.
Lauren's father and Kendra pretty much broke up in the

(32:39):
police bodycam footage when she's confronted because the entire time
that her husband and Lauren's dad thought that she was
working or helping trying to figure out who was at
the bottom of this, she was sending the text messages,
and she had been let go from her tech job
at a lo at the University of Texas, so she

(33:02):
was like living a double life and lying like she
had not worked for over a year. She was just
sending these text messages.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like It's like like a family Annihilator style, except not
annihilating yet it could have gotten worse.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, I honestly don't like so. The documentary The Lady
Interviewing Kendra asks her, like so many cyberbullying cases and
in suicide, I literally told her to kill herself because
of this, and you want to know what her fucking
response is. I was never worried that she was going
to hurt herself. I know Lauren so well what if

(33:41):
she did? Though?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like all of the
makings of a family annihilator, except as much as I
don't want to say that, you know, killers are brave,
she was a coward and wouldn't do that part. She
just did that, you know, daring her daughter to do it.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
She's still adamant that, like she didn't send me first
initial text messages either around October like the first ones
that came through, and that she was just like continuing
this to see if the kids would give her anything
incriminating and lead to who originally did it. But the
investigators that searched her phone are like, no, it originally

(34:26):
came from her the entire time. So she's like so
mentally unwell, like that's.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Not only makes sense, No, you had to keep telling
your daughter to kill herself just so you could see
if someone else would say, hey, I did that first,
or what.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like saying like he wants sex and I'm gonna go
fuck him in this hotel. Basically, I don't think, Okay,
that is a thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't even know if my daughter. I really don't
think my thirteen year old daughter knows what the word
pussy is.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, I should hope not.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
And another incriminating thing is that the text messages has
frequently referenced Lauren's nickname Low and so that's another thing
that there were like, it has to be somebody close
to her, because no one else calls her that or
knows that. But I'm just like, so this is so
obviously her dad wants nothing to do with her. But

(35:23):
the entire time that Kedra was in prison, she was
able to send emails and like communicate with her family
that way, and Lauren feels deeply conflicted, but at the
end of the day, she's like, she's still my mom,
so she's still trying to have her relationship with her mom.
And I don't I if it was me, I would

(35:45):
say I even said. My mom asked me about it
today because she's like, did you record the episode yet
with Siarra And I was like, no, we're recording it
today because me and my mom watched the documentary together
and she's like like if I like I even told her,
I was like, if you ever did to me, I
would never fucking talk to you again, Like, yeah, ever,
full stop relationship over you did that, Like you made

(36:07):
that decision. So I'm not gonna say that I judge
Lauren for her decision to attempt to have a relationship
with their mom now. But I do think that Kendra
Lacari needs some like psychological help, Like family interviews that
I read about afterwards said that she was always like
attention seeking and always like, honestly, it feels like she

(36:27):
has undiagnosed like borderline personality.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
There are multiple children who my daughter goes to school
with whose mom's I could see do something like this.
That's the fucking sad part. Yeah, some people, that's terrifying.
I have children. She's one of those people.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Jesus Christ. Yeah, no, one hundred pc. And like you
just see like the heartbreak in her dad's face too.
He's like, you were looking like you were looking like
Owen's mom. Jill is like what the thought? Like you
helped me search for this, you wasted police resources, you

(37:06):
bullied other children. You wouldn't ever let my kid be
happy when he should have been enjoying his first year
of high school, Like what the fuck? Like the layers
of trauma are just so deep.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Cissy has a friend who I feel like I shouldn't
say this on here because fuck, apparently all of the
kids at Sissy's school have found my podcast on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Oh no, if you guys are.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Watching this right now, turn it off. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Turn it off.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Stop stop watching, Go do your work or something. Lauren
might be okay with her mom right now, but one
day she's gonna grow up and be like that fucking
psycho bitch ruined my high school years. Like she's gonna
look back and really.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
And she's like still like ostracized in her school because
like this town is tiny, she still goes to school
with all of these people. And she even said she's like,
oh when and I don't really talk. Yeah, Like she's
like like no one really talks to Moore. And I'm
like that's heartbreaking, Like you do not deserve to suffer

(38:16):
for a decision that your mom made. Like I just
it's unbelievable. Really, yeah, I've never heard a case like
this before. I just yeah, even in like court, she
like when she was like apologizing and stuff, she was like, oh,
like I know I need to heal from my traumas

(38:36):
and stuff, and I like projected like I became a
different person and all, like I just couldn't stop. I'm like, yes,
you could have stopped at any time, and you could
have stopped when you stopped for a whole year. I
just you could have not started.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
You could have ever done.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Never done that. Yeah, And like super cool, like the
way that they're able to track information now with IP addresses,
like even on a random generator. Like the thing was
I think called ping ink. This is what the app
she used was called. But I'm just like what the fuck?
Like I just and to serve a year, like not

(39:18):
even a year in prison, and like target all of
your kids in securities and these text messages and like
be able to talk to her the whole time to
me is just crazy.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I hope she's on like some sort of a registry
or something like a I mean, the way she was
talking to a child, she should be on a sex
offender list. I agree, was sexually harassing her own child.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, like she wrote like you're worthless, like you can't.
I just I just can't. And then she like sits
there and cry, like I just want to punch her face.
Have you ever seen this woman? I just want to
punch her face.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
The the meme that I've seen a million times is
like a picture of her like crying, and it says
something like I didn't send the first to text message,
only the nine hundred and ninety eight others or something.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
There was over seven hundred pages of text messages. Insane.
Just anyways, that's been alicious ted talk for today. I
felt like I needed to cover it because no one
was murdered, and it is timely because I wanted to
get involved in this conversation. So now me and CRR.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, I'm glad I know all of the extent of
it now.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, you can save yourself the rage from Washington.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, as soon as I saw that she was the
one who did it, I was like, I'm not fucking
I'm not watching that. It would just piss me off.
Jesse asked me. He said, Hey, who's the unknown what
is it called? Who's the unknown number? What? And he's like,
everybody at work won't tell me who it is. They said,
I have to watch it for myself, but I'm not
watching that shit because it looks sad. And I was like,

(41:07):
it's her mom and he's like what And I was like,
her mom was sending all those text messages Apparently I
don't know what they said, but.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
It was her mom. And he's like, what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I'm definitely not watching now.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Now you can tell Jesse what they said.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, he doesn't want to know. I promise he does
not want to know.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
So messed up. That is so fucked up. Hold your
baby's close, guys, somebody else in school is going to
bully them without you fucking doing it for them. Okay, sorry,
everybody gets bullied at some point and it's horrible. It's
a horrible feeling. You do not need to be the
one that causes it.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, she should absolutely be on a sex offender list
and she should not be allowed to have custody of
her kid. That was the only thing that was unclear
to me. I think her dad has full custody. Good,
but I could not find anything to corrober read that
for sure. And if Lauren wants to have a relationship
with her parent willingly, as Sierra knows, sometimes that muddies

(42:09):
the water a little bit. So I hope that that
Lauren and all of these other teens are just able
to heal and not have like lasting PTSD for this.
I can't imagine receiving twenty texts a day saying the
shit like, oh, it's so evil, so evil. High school

(42:31):
is truly hard enough, guys. So yeah, as Sierra's daughter
is going through it, now, let me know if I
need to kick any asses. I am the size of
a high school student. Also, you're their mom. You can't,
but I can't either. Let's face it, but we hope
you guys enjoyed this. Let us know your thoughts and

(42:53):
theories behind how this unfolded. How Netflix presented it, how
I presented it. Let me know what you think and
let us know if you have any case suggestions for
this October season. No murder, no.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Murder, no murder. It's almost over.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Can you believe that I know? Well, when this episode
comes out, it is you guys got a bonus costume
because I don't know how the days of the month's work.
But this episode comes out October seventh.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
So oh okay, so they got some time.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
They got some time, yea. But yeah, we hope you
guys liked our costumes. And if you're not subscribed on YouTube,
be sure to do that so that you get to
see all of our craziness and let us know what
drink you had in high school. So I'm gonna end
this with what was your what was your blue hypnotic

(43:46):
to drink in the park? Do you have any fun
to talk about to uplift us here? Pandah Montana.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Let's see. I just got my eyebrows done and my eyelashes.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Done and not waiting a fake like, those are not
your eyelashes.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
These are vagus. I did get my eye My real
eyelash is tinted, and my eyebrows tinted, but I have eyelashes.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
On right now. When do they when they tinted? Do
they like tint like? Do they like tinted fill it in?
Or do they just tint it?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's just tinted. It just darkens them so I don't
have to feel them in myself.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, yep, were you also a proactive kid? No eyebrows.
I'm not wearing any like actual makeup right now because
I made myself look at corpse. But my eyebrows will
never match my hairline. My hair has also gotten like
really dark over the years. I don't know what happened,

(44:48):
but anyways, that's that. My something happy is that I'm
going to go finish Iron Flame in the bathtub after
I washed this off. I got to page four hundred
and two yesterday and then I just could not put
it down. So, yeah, I have responsibilities that I've ignored.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Me and Jesse are officially almost done with on exttorm.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Oh shit, So he's still enjoying it?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Oh yeah, I mean it has to be.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I've already been seen four times. Will he drywalls their house?
I'm just saying he's listening to the cinematic version.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
He is he's listening to the dramatized audio. It's called
a movie in your ears. It says that every time
it starts, it's great.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Does they didn't sound cool?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Like? No, none of them sound right.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
None of it sound right. It makes me I couldn't
get past that.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
I mean, listen, I read it on paper, okay, I
read it on paper.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I listened to not.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Dramatized version, and then I listened to the dramatized and
it's like watching Twilight for the first time. You're like,
oh the fuck is that? That is not what Bella
looked like?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Bitch? No, this is not okay. All right, that's what
it's like. But it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I wish I could say that that was an overly
dramatic reaction, but it's not. It's all not that way.
When we walked into the movie theater, I am when
you are not the fuck and fifty percent of the
population that had read it, we're like, oh, this is
a great movie.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
No it's not.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It's not okay. It's okay now, but it wasn't okay.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
No, Well, we've had enough time to process our trauma.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It was a valuable learning lesson for me, Like the
movie will never match. It's all right, now, I.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Know there are people that have bumper stickers of like
what looks like their car pushed in and it's just
like a little sticker of them, like of like Yeedward
holding the car back, And I'm like, it makes me
cry laughing when I see it in traffic.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Whenever I see the license plate and I do tit soak,
I'm like, oh my god, this is the skin of
a killer. Tit soaks and plate.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah. Not okay, guys, not okay, but we hope that, uh,
you liked the episode. Please go leave us five stars.
If you are also listening to and are reading that
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and all sorts of other creepy shit and yeah, protect

(47:34):
your babies. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
For Sierras, I I don't know, I don't know. I
don't know what it's going to be called yet.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I think I'm gonna call this one a conspiracy because
you did murder Less last week.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Well, I'm just thinking the next one would be conspiracy.
And I was like, uh, I think I just did
one of those too. I need to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So our favorite category and switching over our conspiracy Murderless
and haunted. If I'm it's hard to dress up when
you're talking about it's true. It's true to murder it's true.
I actually have been listening to this really interesting podcast
series about a survivor of a certain cult. It's fourteen

(48:18):
episodes long, so there's a lot to dive into. But
I will be covering that in November, so it's stay tuned, guys,
a real crazy cult coming your way. I don't want
to tell you or what it's called because I don't
want to spoil what I'm covering. Yeah, it's really good,
so I will get on that episode because my phone
is listening. Yeah, you should definitely support that particular version too. Anyways,

(48:39):
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