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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Twisted Humans, I just wanted to pop on here
and give you a quick update as to why you
are not seeing a new episode this week. I do
gravely apologize. It was my turn for life to get
a little bit messy and due to a personal emergency,
Seer and I weren't able to record this week or
(00:20):
record in a headspace that would have brought you the
best episode, and at the end of the day, that
is what you guys deserve. So we've heard of Christmas
in July, why not Christmas in August. Instead of leaving
you empty handed, I wanted to do a leak from
the Patreon vaults our December twenty twenty four bonus episode.
(00:41):
I hope that you enjoy it, and if you like
the episode, please feel free to check out our Patreon page,
where you can unlock two hundred plus bonus episodes just
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that out. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy this episode and
(01:03):
I will see you next week for a brand new one. Hello,
(01:25):
and welcome to your December twenty twenty four bonus episode Patrons.
It feels really sad to say that. As we check
off these little boxes in December, I'm always like, oh,
it's the last one of the year. I know it's
just a reoccurring cycle, but you know, there's like that
(01:47):
year end mentality, or maybe just for me, I'm weird.
I'm weird and sentimental like that. But before we get
into any more sad and sentimental things, do you have
anything going on right now? What's happening. How's your week been.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's fine. I don't have much going on. I've been
substituting a lot because I don't have facials booked. People
are always so worried about other people at Christmas time
they don't want to treat themselves. Stresses me out.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I mean, on the one hand, I'm happy that
you have the option to substitute, to substitute yourself, but yes,
people should also treat themselves. Yeah, this is a fucking
stressful time of year. I hate work right now because
it is busy. Canada Post is on strike, so you're
definitely not getting your Christmas gift on time. Already makes
(02:45):
me feel so sad, you know, like a couple of
listeners and people have been like, oh, where can we mail?
Like podcasters wanted to mail out like holiday cards to us,
and I was like, I can't even give you my
address because it's not going to get here, so there's
no point and uh yeah, so that's a bummer, and
(03:08):
everyone's just like cranky because I work in freight so
I'm just like, I don't know what you want me
to tell you. Canada Post went on strike. I don't
work for Canada Post. I don't work for them. It
would be like if USPS went on strike.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They did recently. It was very quickly, okay, very quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Ours has been going on for about a month now.
I mailed your gift via FedEx at the beginning of December.
But because FedEx has had to take on all of
Canada Posts shipments, they're like capping a limit every day
to what they'll pick up, what they'll move. Nothing is guaranteed.
(03:45):
I'm like, well, this is a lot of fun. Yeah,
so we are here, so Sierram, you know, my hope
is that it at least gets here before December ends.
That's what I'm putting out there. It'll still be a
holiday gift if it gets there before the end December,
but I love you and it's coming. That said. Work
sucks right now. I've been there late every day this
(04:06):
week because this is a bitch fest. My eye infection
that happened in this eye a month ago decided to
migrate to this eye and apparently the first round of
antibiotics didn't get rid of it. So I woke up
on Monday morning and this eye was stuck and swollen,
and I'm like, what is going on? So I'm on
(04:30):
antibiotics for two weeks and my doctor is going to say,
see what this does, and if it doesn't work, I
might have to do like ivy therapy or something scary
to get it out of my bloodstream. And I'm really
not excited about that. Also, like, I'm a clean and
healthy person, so it like makes no sense that I
just have a random viral eye infection. It sucks. I
(04:53):
like thee of both of my eyes. Yes, I have
I herpeople, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, I learned about that. I think it was in
like high school, and I always thought it was so
fucking funny, so.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Real, I hope not. He was like, if you get
blurred vision or which already is like a loaded question
because I'm going blind slowly, sir so. But uh. He
also was like if you start puking or have a fever,
He's like, you gotta let me know immediately. I don't
know what's going on. I just wanted to tell you
(05:31):
about it, and as a update this week to all
of our patrons them about it. But yeah, it sucks.
I don't know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
See it sounds sucky.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
On that note, I'm excited to be recording with you
today and you asked me for a list of where
our listeners are of countries, so I'm excited to see
how that's going to come into play.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's not a happy thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's important though, well.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That I apologize for providing her with this information of
avand it's important.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is your story Christmas related?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It is me too. Yeah, yeah, I was agree that
naturally we had to go that route. If I wasn't
already wearing a tube right now, I'd probably go get
a Christmas at but I'm too lazy to get up.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. I originally listen, I'll be honest, I don't even
remember what it was at this point, but originally had
something else picked out and I was like, why am
I doing this? I need to do a Christmas story,
so you.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Know, it's funny that you should say that me too.
I was doing a history of a creepy cursed object
and then I was like, wait a second, I.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Think mine was also something haunted, and I was like,
this is too spooky for December.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So we already know that we're on the same wavelength
for December and apparently for January twenty twenty five. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Let's hope they're not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That would be really awkward.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Again, we've said it for the last almost four years. Guys,
It's gonna happen at some point. Some point, you guys
are going to log on and be like, well, shit,
we only get one episode today.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Whoops. All right, So my story, I don't know if
I want to tell you what it's called or just
getting into it. I think I'll just get into it, okay.
In the early morning hours of December eighteenth, nineteen ninety six,
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a sixty nine year old woman went into the Pleasant
Valley Memorial Park cemetery.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Why do you always say that every time I mess
up on saying say cemetery, you say cemetery. Before and
then what is that meat?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Rushing? Not too the Pleasant Valley Memorial Park Cemetery in Allendale,
Virginia into the section of the cemetery where infants and
children are laid to rest.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Oh, that's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
She set out a blanket and placed her backpack and
a small eight inch Christmas tree on it and began
to decorate the tree. Now, before we get into the
rest of my sad story, I wanted to add a
little happiness or sprinkle a little cheer onto this holiday season.
Do you guys change up your Christmas ornaments every year?
(08:32):
I feel like we've talked about this before, Like a
lot of people have like different color fimes.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That is the goal of ours for next year or
when Christmas is over, we are going to go and
see if we can get some last minute deals on
Christmas ornaments. Yeah, because currently our scheme is gold and no, no,
the silver, white and blue, and then we have like
a random war ornaments sprinkled in there, like my BB
(09:02):
eight and my Nightmare for Christmas and that kind of stuff.
But we want to add gold and red so we
can altern it every year or switch it up. What
about you? I know you have like mushroom theme.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, I'm sticking with my mushrooms. By the way, they're
called fly agaric mushrooms. Didn't realize that the white ones
or sorry, the red ones with the white dots on them.
So anyway, Usually I also just have a random menagerie
of ornaments on my tree and decorations in the house
in general. This year I only pulled out red and
(09:37):
white decorations and ornaments only red and white. I'm sticking
with my mushrooms, and I'm when we move, I plan
on getting rid of all those things that aren't red
and white. The Christmas tree is green obviously, but then
red and white, I feel like is what I want
to like.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Red and white bubbles with little mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I actually have like mushrooms that hang ornaments that are
mush rooms.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, but do you like bobbles too, or is it
all mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What is a bobble? Like a little Christmas Boh? Yeah?
I just have red ones, but yes, I would eventually
get white ones as well.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, okay, do you just have a tree of mushrooms?
I need to picture them.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
There are red ornaments on it as well. The sixty
nine year old woman decorated the small aiden's tree with
gold ball ornaments and red ribbon bows.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I like its also, I think those are really cute
and cozy.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah. Then she pulled juice, mango and peach and brandy
from a flask out of her backpack and poured herself
a drink.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's a drink, right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
She took some valume, chased it down with her mixed drink,
and then she pulled out her tape player, a plastic bag,
and some tape. She put her headphones on began listening
to her comedy cassette tape. Then she placed the plastic
bag over her head, taped it around her neck, laid
(11:14):
down and died.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this is the part to where I tell all
of the listeners that the holidays are hard for many
people all around the world. But no matter how hard
you think you have it and in your life, is
not the answer. Someone is rooting for you, someone loves you.
Someone wants you to keep going, keep living, keep being.
It will get better. The hardships and the hurt do
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not define you. If you have thoughts or feelings of
suicide and are in the US, you can call nine
eight eight or text eight three eight two five five.
If you are in Canada, you can call one eight
three three four five six four five six six or
text four five six four five. If you are in
(12:05):
the UK, you can call zero eight zero zero six
eight nine five six five two. In Australia call one
three one one one four one. And for a quick
check of any other countries and their suicide hotlines, go
to blog dot Opencounseling dot com. That's why I needed
(12:29):
where most of our listeners were. I wanted to make
sure that our listeners had the resources they needed right here,
right now. Around nine am that morning, as the cemetery
workers came in and opened up, they started their shift
for the day and noticed a strange site of a
Christmas tree and then of the lady.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The police were called immediately. In their investigation into what happened,
they did described the scene. The Christmas tree lady was
about five feet tall, Caucasian, wearing a sweater over a
red shirt and blue knit pants and an Eddie Bower
jacket over that. Her nails were freshly polished red and
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her orange red hair was done neatly. She wore gold earrings,
a gold watch, and a gold ring. Other than the
things I mentioned earlier, There were only three other things
found with the woman, a child sized mini mouse, fanny pack,
and two envelopes no identification. Inside the envelopes was one
(13:40):
hundred dollars by way of two fifty dollars bills and
two letters. The first letter read quote, deceased by own hand,
prefer no autopsy. Please order cremation with funds provided. Thank you,
Jane Doe.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So hard she wrote a letter. Oh wait till you
hear the second note. The second wrote. The second note
read quote, Now I lay me down to sleep, soon
to drift to the eternal deep. And though I die
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and shall not wake, sleep sweeter will be than this
life I forsake. End quote.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh did she write that?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Is anyone?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, they couldn't find it to have been written by
anyone else.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh that's heartbreaking, Like there's something haunting about somebody leaving
a poem or something that stood out to them. Yeah,
in their suicide notes. But something that they wrote that's
like that is just extra heartbreaking because it just gives
voice to the mindset that they were in at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Despite her requests, obviously, an autopsy had to be done.
Corner found the drugs and the alcohol in the Christmas
Tree Lady's system, but said that she ultimately died of
suffocation from the bag over her head. They couldn't identify
the woman, but because they had a, for lack of
a better phrase, pretty freshly deceased body, they were very
(15:18):
optimistic that she would be quickly identified by the public.
They could take her photo. They knew exactly what she
looked like, unlike the many other Jane does in the
dough network that were often just guesses based on bone structure.
She also had a large incision scar on her lower abdomen,
which they had hoped was from a C section. That
(15:41):
would mean someone could be missing their mother. Unfortunately, a
quick identification is not what happened. Years went by, two,
turned into five, ten, even twenty, Jane Doe remained the
unsolved mystery of the Christmas Tree Lady. Investigators obviously didn't
(16:05):
show a picture of a dead woman to the public,
but they did create a sketch based on the photo
they took, and I honestly think the first sketch may
have something to do with why she went unnamed. You
can open up the drive now. I think the first
picture is either of her backpack and her belongings or
of the Christmas tree itself. And then there's a picture
(16:27):
of her, the sketch of her.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh have you ever seen these photos?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
This is so sad?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Okay, am I looking at the first black and white sketch.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, the first black and white sketch is not great.
If you go to the next sketch, there's a color.
Those are traditional people. Yeah, and then the third one
is a more realistic, almost three D version. The second
and third is great. The first one like, no wonderable
(17:02):
different person. Yeah, yeah, what the hell were they thinking?
I'm sorry, but that's sketch artist. I hope was fired.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, like like cheeks alone.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, they look different. She looks much heavier.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, like like a circus character that he's drawn.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like a caricature.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yea of her a caricature exactly. Okay, Yeah that makes
sense that and you can see like the eyebrows, the nose,
like all of those are very discerning features on a
person's face. Oh, she's really cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Even with the second and third renditions of the Christmas
Tree Lady, no one was coming forward, So investigators even
tried searching the mis in person sites themselves, comparing the
Christmas Tree Lady with anyone who fit her description, but
still nothing after over twenty five years. In twenty twenty two,
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investigators sent the Christmas Tree Lady's DNA profile to a
forensic genetic genealogist company called authorm with donated funds raised
to identify her from a website called dnasols dot com,
and later that year, the Christmas Tree Lady got her
(18:25):
name back. Joyce Marilyn Meyer Summers. Joyce was born on
July twentieth, nineteen twenty seven, as the first child of
Arthur and Margaret and the oldest sister to her four siblings,
two boys and two girls. Joyce grew up with her
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family on a farm in Iowa. The nineteen thirties were
rough for women, but it was slowly getting better, and
she was able to attend college at Iowa State University.
After college, she moved to Los Angeles to work for
seventeen Magazine. Side note Did I put these pictures on
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there too?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes? I did. Maybe you've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Side note imagine seventeen magazine in the nineteen forties, except
just kidding. You don't have to because I have photos
of them on the drive. The first photo is from
January and February of nineteen forty five, when the main
article was about the United Nations. They used this article
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because they wanted to show a seventeen year old woman
as a whole person, not just someone into fashion and buoys.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How to love that though very different from our generation's seventeen.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Margins, Oh let me tell you why? And the next
one is from April of nineteen forty five, and some
of the articles were titled jobs have no gender and
if only he could cook. Many of the nineteen forties
magazines were female forward and progressive, as Helen Valentine was
(20:10):
the editor in chief. However, her publisher, Walter Annenberg, wasn't
as into the progressiveness as she was. He actually once
told her that he wanted fewer black people in his magazine,
and she responded, quote, surely the presence of colored children
in that story should delight any kindly human being. Anyone
(20:33):
who is offended by it should not be holding a
copy of seventeen end quote fucking rights.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Disgusting behavior.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But Helen Valentine left the magazine in nineteen fifty and
a man took over her position. The magazine was never
quite the same after that. There were segments about taking
care of the home and other womanly activities, as well
as boycrit and dieting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Is that what the next one is?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
No? Both of those are from the fourth April April boy. No,
that's the one that if only he could cook?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh right, that one?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, yeah, gotcha love it. It was also in the
nineteen fifties that Joyce, our Christmas Tree Lady left the
magazine as well. We don't know why for sure, but
I like to think that Joyce enjoyed working there better
when Helen Valentine was there. After she left the magazine,
Joyce went on to be a second grade teacher at
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a Catholic elementary school. I'm not sure if she was
Catholic or if she even liked kids, but we do
know that she began struggling mentally at this time. Teaching
was hard, and that's not even what her degree was in.
So around the same time, Joyce started seeing a psychiatrist. Now,
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imagine what psychiatry in the nineteen fifties looked like. I
have no pictures, but I will tell you that lobotomies
were still being performed but Joyce was in California, which
has always been a little more progressive than the rest
of the United States, so I don't think she had
it quite that too bad. But the psychiatrist she was
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seeing was telling her that basically she should blame all
of her problems on her parents, and because of this,
Joyce became on very bad terms with her parents, especially
her mother. When her mother came to visit once, they
had a twenty four hour confrontation session where nothing was
(22:45):
resolved and the two of them only understood each other
less afterwards for hours.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, this puts into play the pause button in relationship fights, right,
I come on, Oh my god, that's devastating. Okay, sorry,
I couldn't let that slide past twenty four hours. I
couldn't even stay a week for that long if I tried. Yeah,
who has the time?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So we also just talked about in my cult episode
that California in the nineteen fifties was like prime hippie time.
All of those people hated their parents, and so Joyce
hating her parents was kind of normal for those, you know,
for that crowd. Unfortunately makes sense. In the nineteen sixties,
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Joyce moved to Seattle, Washington with her new husband, James Summers,
and didn't even tell her family about it for almost
twenty years. She lived there until she and her husband
divorced with no children, and she decided to move to Tucson, Arizona.
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In the early eighties, her siblings came to visit Joyce
in Arizona and they mentioned that she was clearly unhappy,
maybe about her failed marriage, maybe about life in general.
She asked her siblings during that visit to help her
build a house somewhere else, but they said they couldn't help,
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and that was the last time they had ever seen Joyce.
A brother of hers visited a few years later, but
the house in Arizona had been abandoned.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's haunting. Something about abandoned properties, which we will get
to it is really haunting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
From then on, Joyce's siblings suspected that she had joined
a cult. She was sad, lonely, and vulnerable. She'd be
the perfect target for one, and because of that they
worried about her. They even hired a private investigator to
locate their sister, but he never could. The closest they
ever got to knowing where their sister was was when
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the private investigator said she went east, but the trail
was lost after that until twenty five years later, when
her brother was contacted by an investigator about a genealogy
match to his sibling. What all these years they had
(25:16):
been looking for her and she wasn't even alive to
be found, But at least now they knew where she
had been. And as sad as her death was, they
found optimism in the investigator's story, since it seemed that
Joyce left this life exactly the way she wanted to.
Joyce's sister, Annette said, quote, I am relieved to know
(25:39):
that something horrible didn't happen to her. It sounds like
something she'd been planning for a long time. End quote.
We are still unsure what Joyce was doing in Virginia.
They linked a Washington, d C. Address to her, But
what made her want to leave Arizona for DC? What
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did she do when she was there? Did she have
a job or friends? What gave her the scar on
her Abdmen? Does she have a child out there somewhere?
It seems that Joyce wanted to remain mysterious in death,
although we now know her name and where she came from.
Most of these questions will probably remain a mystery. Oh
(26:23):
that's the story of the Christmas Tree Lady.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh that's like kind of like blow key devastating, I know,
but also kind of a cool woman. I'm sorry, Like
that's where her legacy ends. But in terms of being
known as stuff, the Christmas Tree Lady is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah. And did you see in the picture the stuff
that they found with her, ye, minie mouse fanny pack. Like,
so some people are like, that's hers and she decided
to die in the child section of the cemetery because
she feels like her youth was taken from her by
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her parents. Other people are like, oh, but does she
have a C section scar? Maybe there is a kid
out there somewhere. And then other other people are like,
maybe she had an abortion and regrets it. So who knows.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, I like to believe that if there was
a child out there that knew about her, especially after
her family had made efforts to reconnect, Yeah, that somebody
would have come forward by now, No, like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Would they maybe maybe her If she has a child
out there, it was put up for adoption or I
don't know. I have no idea, but I do wonder like,
how long did she live in Virginia? She had to
have had friends or a place to work. Where'd she
(28:02):
get her money? She was wearing an Eddie Bauer jacket.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Girl hung her daddy out there? Someone?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, where's he? Like? What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah? Or maybe from her tenure at seventeen magazine, which
honestly was a very cool history but definitely very sad
and very sad. Oh but I hope she's at peace now.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's all like me too.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't like how she realized I'm feeling not lonely
and sad. Yeah, holiday season.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I hope she realizes that for twenty five fucking years,
her family was still looking for her and loved her.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
One hundred percent. I don't like that. I'm not going
anywhere more positive. Oh great, I'm going a little bit
of a spooky er, maybe more mysterious route. We'll see. Okay,
So my story today, I have an infamous holiday crime
for you, known as the Lost Beliefe Christmas murders. Hm.
(29:03):
I forgot that I even knew about this case until
episode one seventy nine with Mine in Cira's discussion of
our aptly named school of Interdimensional friendship and the weird
ghostly blurs on Google Maps houses. Yeah, if you haven't
listened yet, join our completely innocent cult over there at
the end for a laugh. But all of that said,
(29:27):
I am sure you would be shocked to know that
the house on two four seven five Glendawer Place in
Los Angeles, California, is also blurred out on Google Wow
Wow and has remained completely empty since the events that
I am about to tell you about. Even spookier. While
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the house has no written record of a haunting or
anything sinister related to the location it's built on, it
has seen its fair share of death. The five thousand
square foot casual mansion was built in nineteen twenty five
in Los Police Heights, a new development in the Hollywood
(30:11):
Hills that catered to people that had money but not
too much money? Is its at the foot of the hill?
Literal hierarchy in these neighborhoods. But that's fine. I can't
afford to live anywhere in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
So how do you spell loose felie.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Los fe l i z z okay.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think I could be wrong. You're closer to ballas fellies.
I think that's what I'm sorry feelish feels.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't know you're closer. I just feel like I've
heard it before.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Our favorite guy God all Hockey here with my hispanicness
lows belief. Okay, so it's interesting that you just said
what you just said. So I just found a quick
TikTok video. So that neighborhood is named after a person
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whose last name was pronounced Falaise, but because it's pronounced
or spelled the same way in the Hispanic culture as
the leaf like beliefs. Right, people pronounce it both ways,
but the actual pronunciation is your way because it is
named as a person, not a holiday things here people.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Is this did an ax murder happen here? No? Okay,
I just for some reason in my sorry yes, yes, okay,
So the real the only reason I said I think
Felis is because I'm like, for some reason in my brain,
I'm hearing Los Felas Axe murder house. So okay, Feliz anyway, anyway,
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but we just learned a new thing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That area of the Hollywood Hills is named after a person.
Wait what did we say?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It was Feliz?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Feliz? Okay, because I'm going to fuck it up again.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I just don't want the listeners to yell at us.
Let me do the yelling gently, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Hey, I didn't know that that's what that that it
was named after a person, because otherwise it would be
the other way. Right.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The word is Felice, but the PERSONI Feliz.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So makes sense. The first owners of the house were
a wealthy couple who had moved from Seattle named Harold M.
Florence Shoemaker. They had moved from the colder climate, hoping
to retire somewhere warm, but death records revealed it on
July first, nineteen twenty eight, Flores died. It's Flores. Florence
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died in the home of heart disease at the age
of forty, and Harold died at forty one just two
weeks later of pneumonia, which is heartbreaking. And it makes
me think that he got sick because his immune system
was lowered because he was sad.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
It is incredibly sad that they didn't get to live
out their retirement dreams.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
My manslaughter case has something similar to that, and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
So so sad. I hate that shit. Yeah, that's like
true love stuff, but also why it's like so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right, oh my god, wait, no, stop speaking of the Notebook.
When's the last time he watched it?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Probably over ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, okay, so I need to watch it again because
I saw a thing on TikTok that there's a Mandela
effect and that they don't die together in the bed
at the end. They definitely die together in the bed
at the end, right, bitch, I have That's why it's sad.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Watch it on DVD. Yes, we will challenge this. You
watch it on a streaming service. I'll watch it on
my DVD and we'll see if it has the same ending. Okay,
this is important.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It is I need to watch the Notebook.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Let me know when you watch it, just to cry
my fucking eyeballs out when they die at the end.
I watch it, Yeah, because they don't. Maybe it won't
be so bad. You're so sad it was good. It's
just question mark. Let me know when you watch it.
I'll watch it at the same okay, or in that day,
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question work.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'll probably watch it the week of Christmas because both
of my children are gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, that's fair. And then we will report back to
you guys. On next month's bonus episode. Whether that's actually
a thing? What the fuck? Okay? So yes, super sad
Maybe the notebook Mandela effect.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Two years later, a movie magazine editor named Walford, Beaten
and his son Donald's, began living in the home. Tragically, though,
Donald soon became bedridden after suffering from an infection caused
by a blister he got playing tennis. What the fuck
(35:44):
he died of this infection.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is like some diddy shit.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Even tennis is not safe. Yeah, and sadly he was
just twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Walford left the home and filed for bankruptcy the following year,
unable to remain there, and after just five years since
the house was built, there has already been three deaths inside.
But this would not be the last, and he's gracious.
Doctor Harold and Perilson fifty, a cardiologist, and his wife
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Lillian forty two, moved into the home in nineteen fifty
six with their three children, Judy eighteen, Joel thirteen, and
Debbie eleven. Despite the lavish purchase, Harold's medical practice was
in significant debt, and this certainly didn't help. A letter
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later found to be written by Judy, to one of
their aunts, spoke of problems between her parents caused by
the family being in quote unquote a bind financially.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Why do men, at least the older times, think that
spending money you don't have is going to fix things.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Kill their families?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So much to wors no spoilers, spoilers like that that
happened in so many cases, like oh, let me just
buy this bigger house and everything will get better. How
are you gonna pay for it?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Dude? You broke? Yeah? What what is that? Infamous? Like
farm one? Same thing? They like purchased a farm and
then a few months later he killed his whole family.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't know, there's a lot, but yeah, remember it
at like two o'clock in the morning, probably while you're
talking later. I just yell it randomly, and I'm saying spoilers,
th spoilers because that's not necessari it's here, but we
will get there. It's just strange, for sure. But in
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the letter, Judy's pecifically mentioned an accident that her and
her siblings had gotten into and they sued the driver
that had hit their vehicle, and luckily they got enough
to pay for the medical bills to pay for the
hospital after they had to go as they didn't want
to make.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The situation worse. So she's telling her aunt like, this
is good. My parents are in a blind though.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
On December sixth, nineteen fifty nine, at around five o'clock
in the morning, Harold attacked his wife Lillian with a
balpeen hammer while she lay asleep. So it wasn't an ax, Sammer.
We're not laughing at that, we're just laughing at my memory.
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After three blows to the head, it left to Lillian
to bleed out. He then went to his daughter, Judy's
bedroom and attacked her with the same weapon. Judy's screams
woke her sister, Debbie, who heard her sister say, please
don't kill me, and Harold told Debbie when she came
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to intervene to go back to bed, baby, this is
just a nightmare that's haunting.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Too. Scared to listen and not sure what to do,
Debbie ran and woke up her brother Joel. Without realizing
though this did actually help her sister, as the distraction
allowed Judy to escape the attack and run to the
neighbor's house. The neighbor, Marshall Ross, was obviously startled by
this early morning awakening, but he let Judy in immediately,
(39:37):
didn't ask any questions, and began tending to her wounds
right away, while simultaneously calling the police. This man is
a hero.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
When you watch this back, if you decide to watch
it instead of listen, you're going to notice the point
where I remembered what this story was. Not that I
didn't already know, but.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
But all the p is clicked into place, yeah, and
my eyes just went like, oh my god, this is
a really creepy fucking house. Okay, anyway, I love it.
You've also had like two orb incidences in your video,
so that's where it is great. One was during your
story and it looked like snow that fell right behind you,
which might have been dust, we'll see. And then one
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went across your face. Okay, but yes, I can't wait
for that. So super haunting and uh, thank you Marshall
for this. After tending to her wounds and voting the police,
Marshall ordered Judy to hide in his room while he
made his way to the Perilson's home to wait for police. Inside,
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he would find Debbie and Joel terrified and dazed, but
thankfully unharmed and hiding, and when Marshall made it to
the second floor, he found Harold laying face down on
Judy's bed. He went into the mass bedroom and saw
Lilian's lifeless body. Marshall brought Debbie and Joel back to
(41:06):
his house, where they all waited for the police to
show up. When police finally did arrive, they found Harold's body.
Like I said, he had swallowed thirty one pinto barbitual tablets,
which is like a benzodiazepine, which is basically a tranquilizer,
and that amount would take out a large mammal, So
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it definitely took him out. Family. Yes, thank you, I
know what's gonna happen. Yes, And that story is super
spooky for its own reasons. There's like so many elements
that don't add up. Yeah, one of us needs to
cover that at some point.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, like the fucking Tiffany chandelier anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right, and just like where the bodies were after all
of it is just odd. Where is that You can
still visit that farm list List family murder.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I think that l is the List family. The
farm was in Germany, I think, yeah, the farm was.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The list guy. He was that America's most wanted for
a long time. Yeah, yes, we are thinking of the
hinter Chifact murders. Yeah, that's the Germans murders simultaneous. Yes,
really glad we got there.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, lots of family annihilators.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, I just really wanted to know if I like morbidly,
even though I scold people for this, in a second,
it would be cool to visit a point of history
that's so mysterious and like the hinter Chifact farm. That
would be cool.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, even just go to the Mary Celeste instead, yes,
or the Winchester Mystery House.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, yes, those would be two separate trips. You will
have to come here and we will.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They're both in California. Okay, we'll come here and we'll
go to California. California is fucking huge, So we'll go
see Amanda. We'll go to the Mary Celeste with Amanda
because she's right there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah. So he swallowed the barbituate tablets, which were basically
a tranquilizer. His body was found near the hammer and
the bottle of empty pills, as well as a copy
of Dante's Dante's Divine Comedy, which is considered significant because
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the book is about the state of a soul after
death and presents an image of divine justice meted out
as do punishment or reward, which described Dante's hell. Yes,
it is haunting because the case that he read this
book before all of this ensued. Yeah, his travel through hell,
(44:05):
purgatory and haded God. I was going to finish the quote. Sorry,
did you notice how I read it though, Because.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I'm sure some people don't know. It's good you read
it that way. Let the people know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I always like stories. Fucking Buddy the Elf, creepy book edition,
It's just eye rolls. Oh. So many people tried to
push that book on me, and I'm just like, I
can't do it. I was raised Catholic as a kid.
I have enough trauma in that department. I don't need
to read a book about it. So the press initially
(44:45):
jumped to blame the doctor's financial problems for his murderous frenzy,
but to add insult to injury. Medical records would later
indicate that he had spent time at the Temple Hospital
for a week not too far earlier in the year
from when this all occurred. He was given thorzine, which
(45:06):
is a drug that at the time was used to
treat schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. So maybe the financial
stress led to a psychotic break, or maybe it's a
completely independent issue and he was already experiencing these symptoms.
Either way, it was a tragic end to their story.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
What if he actually thought it was a dream because
he told his daughter it's just a dream, just a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Horror breaking well, like the uh sleepwalking crimes, but the
girl I covered and shot her brother in her sleep,
Like just yeah, that's true too, I didn't need to.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But also family and nihilators do stupid stuff with money,
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It could be either. But it is very sad, and
like I know a lot of people have tried to
reach out to the kids and to Judy specifically, and
she has openly said like at the time of some
of the articles that came out about the story, she
was like in her eighties and she's like, I just
(46:14):
want to be left alone, Like this is horrible. So
the friendly reminder to people that don't realize when consuming
true crime that there are victims in every aspect and
you have to be fucking respectful of what they would like, Yeah,
I say that because of what we are diving into
on the week that we were recording, this is a
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special topic and it is very considerate of all sides
of the story. So yeah, So a year after the murder,
the home was bought at an estate sale by an
older couple named Emily and Julian Enriquez, and so began
another mysterious chapter in this history. The Enrique's family owned
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the house for dec but never moved in due to
their age. They just jumped on the opportunity and the price,
wanting to create a better life for their future family.
Julian died in nineteen seventy three and Emily died in
nineteen seventy four, but the home was then passed on
(47:19):
to their son, Rudy, a record store manager in Los Angeles.
Speculation and rumor centered on Rudy as an apparent elusive figure,
the last line of an unknown family that never moved
inside of this mansion that they purchased. Weird right. Despite
(47:44):
his parents' good intentions, Rudy couldn't bring himself to move
into the home. He was described as a very kind man,
happy to answer any questions about the home during interviews,
but he kind of just was like, I don't really
know what else to add to this. But in later events,
(48:04):
after painting a house in the area in two thousand
and nine, a local painter heard rumors about the house
and snuck a peak inside. It is truly spooky, though,
as the living area still has a Christmas tree and
unwrapped gifts, almost like a giant shadow box of the
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Perilson's life frozen forever.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
That was the piece I remembered when my eyes flicked up, like,
oh my god, that is a scary fucking house.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, it's super haunting.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
On call of duty the Nuketown stays. It's just so spooky.
Everything that's just normal, but it's not. It's not normal
at all.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Totally. Oh, video games are cool but also terrifying. And
I'm going to keep this particular painter's made out of
it because I think he received enough publicity over spinning
his tales. But this is how urban legends are born.
So in the painter's version of the story, doctor Perilson
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and his family sat around the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve,
prior to what would be a beautiful memory for their family,
opening gifts under the glow of their Christmas tree, and
then the mad doctor lugened his family before drinking down
a bottle of acid. We know the parts of the
story that have been lost in the telephone game, but
(49:35):
still locals and tourists alike traveled to the home to
sneak a peek inside with all of the family's belongings
still there. Some more despicable people even broke into the home,
steering stealing various items. One person stole a jacket that
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they believed to belong to the Perilsons, but it ended
up actually belonging to Rudy. Another woman unscrewed and then
stole Judy's painted light switch from her bedroom, which appears
to have a small blood stain on it next to
her name.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
What the fuck.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
The Ala Times ran an article in two thousand and
nine about the story, including the painter's incorrect story facts,
and thus it became known as the Los Felis the
Los Feliz murder mansion. I doubted myself. I went back
and forth in my head, like wait, which one's the
(50:35):
right one. Rudy Enriquez died in twenty fifteen, and shortly
before his death, he said that he couldn't bring himself
to sell the property because it was a gift from
his parents. But then, on the other hand, couldn't bring
himself to move in, and he really missed his parents,
and he didn't need the money from the sale of
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the house, so he was kind of like, I'm just
going let it be somebody else's problem when I die.
He also said that he used the rooms in the
home that were unused for storage, including some of his
own Christmas parapnelia, which is extra spooky, which makes me
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believe that he lived in like a smaller house and
just used that house for storage until he died. Yeah.
Some of the mysteries surrounding the home went to the
grave with Rudy, such as why were so many of
the Perilson's belongings still there left untouched. In twenty sixteen,
(51:42):
a TV attorney named Lisa Bloom and her husband bought
the home in an estate sale as well for two
point three million dollars, but neighbors who hoped but neighbors
who hoped that the decrepit house would finally be lived in,
were left disappointed. The couple completely tore the house down
(52:04):
to the studs, but they were unable to complete their
plan due to permitting issues, so they abandoned that project
and instead the home was purchased by a developer named
Effie Zalatski for two point three five million dollars in
twenty twenty five, in twenty twenty, the year of COVID.
(52:27):
Great time to buy a fucking mansion, sir.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Well, he was just buying a lot at that point.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Pretty much a lot with some boards on it. Yeah,
if he does not respond to inquiries about the house,
if it is framed in an interest in the history
rather than actually purchasing the home. But it does appear, however,
that he allowed one person inside. In twenty twenty three,
(52:53):
zach Begins Most Adventurous team went into the house for
an investigation. It is the biggest joke of an episode
I have ever seen in my life. I just watch
they tore most of it down down to the studs,
so it's just like the frame of the house with
like the walls. Fucking I The museum that I experienced
(53:19):
is still one of the coolest places I've ever been
in my life because of all the spooky shit that's there.
But I hate zach By. I hate him. He is
disrespectful and he is fucking fraudulent and fake and I
just cannot stand behind it. If you guys watch clips
of this particular episode, you will literally roll over and
(53:40):
die because it is so cheasy and forced. But basically,
while inside the home, hold on, I have to scratch
my boob and I don't know if you can see
me doing it. Okay, While inside, they found an unusual
force kept pushing them up up the stairs by the
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arched window, and they all freaked out. I am, however,
inclined to not believe that there was any force because
it was Zach Beggins. But take with that with a
grain of salt. But the sf GAAT article that I
used for some of my research ended so eloquently, so
I decided to include it here. Quote. It's hard not
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to attribute some sentience to homes like the Glendower Mansion.
If it has a personality, it's one of loneliness. Everyone
wanted the home to be something it wasn't. The Shoemakers
wanted to a place to live out a sunny California retirement.
The enriquez Is wanted a home for their beloved boy Rudy.
(54:47):
The La Times wanted a house, wanted a house painter's
spooky stories to be true, and mister Dzalowski wanted another
million dollar house to flip to add to his portfolio. Oh,
mister Baggins wanted a wanted to find a cosmic ghoul.
(55:07):
But save for a five minute burst of violence on
a terrible Sunday morning sixty five years ago, the Lowest
Fellas Murder Mansion is just an empty house waiting for
a new family. But because of the earlier histor sorry
end quote, but because of the earlier history of the house,
of course, people point to it being cursed or simply haunted.
(55:32):
But is it or is it just haunted by a
tragic past and people need to get over it and
fucking just make new memories there. I don't know either way.
It is a crazy story. It is a haunted little
shadow box in time, and it is infamous to this day.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
It's crazy. The book that I read in November or October,
I don't know what those months called The Starling House.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
This house also reminds me of that because in the
Starling House people kept dying over and over and other again.
But it was it was cursed.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
So I mean, you were two four years old and
a twenty one year old dying before a murderous rampage
went on inside the South. So the spooky bitch in
me wants to believe that a curse is afoot. But yeah,
the person that wants to respect you know, victims is
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past and entrepreneurial future wants to believe that it's just
a house and that Zach Beggins is a fool and
made a mockery of himself on this episode. It's literally
him and his crew walking around a house that's like
just like you know, like a wall without drywall, just
(56:54):
like the boards and like the frame of a house.
And it's like, oh, I felt this were here, and
it's like nothing happened in the history on the staircase
of the house that would point to anything mysterious that
and like it's just sad like honestly, So I don't
know I who else curse or sadness? You guys, let
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us know.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Is it weird that when you were talking about people
stealing stuff from the home, my thoughts were not on
murder memorabilia. My thoughts were went, curse those Christmas presents
that are still wrapped in mint condition from like the
nineteen what is it seventies?
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Can you imagine what gifts were in there, like mint
conditions still in the box, toys, Oh my god, that
would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
That would be toys. Yeah, and like yeah, just it's yeah,
I don't know. I follow this page. That's like it
always starts with like a like creepy music, and it
like takes you through abandoned houses and stuff, and that's
definitely what I picture with this. But all of the
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photos that exist of like the shadow box time or
just like the outside or like little bits that show
like a home that's been there for sixty years had
been completely neglected because no one's been in there. Everything
is covered in dust. Like it's just it is super
creepy though, like just like especially the Christmas scene of
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it all with like the tree and like half wrapped
presence just being in the living room. It's like the
mom or parents, you know, probably we're going to wrap
those in the middle of the night while the kids
were asleep. Like yeah, it's just it's so so unsettling,
but also really sad. I'm curious to know what our
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patrons think. Cursed or just a really sad moment in time.
Do you think that it was a psychotic break or
do you think it was financially related or both? Let
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twenty five, unless Sierra has anything else sad yep, okay,
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Hey, Twisted Humans, I just wanted to pop on here
and give you a quick update as to why you
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Seer and I weren't able to record this week or
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It feels really sad to say that. As we check
off these little boxes in December, I'm always like, oh,
it's the last one of the year. I know it's
just a reoccurring cycle, but you know, there's like that
(01:47):
year end mentality, or maybe just for me, I'm weird.
I'm weird and sentimental like that. But before we get
into any more sad and sentimental things, do you have
anything going on right now? What's happening. How's your week been.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's fine. I don't have much going on. I've been
substituting a lot because I don't have facials booked. People
are always so worried about other people at Christmas time
they don't want to treat themselves. Stresses me out.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I mean, on the one hand, I'm happy that
you have the option to substitute, to substitute yourself, but yes,
people should also treat themselves. Yeah, this is a fucking
stressful time of year. I hate work right now because
it is busy. Canada Post is on strike, so you're
definitely not getting your Christmas gift on time. Already makes
(02:45):
me feel so sad, you know, like a couple of
listeners and people have been like, oh, where can we mail?
Like podcasters wanted to mail out like holiday cards to us,
and I was like, I can't even give you my
address because it's not going to get here, so there's
no point and uh yeah, so that's a bummer, and
(03:08):
everyone's just like cranky because I work in freight so
I'm just like, I don't know what you want me
to tell you. Canada Post went on strike. I don't
work for Canada Post. I don't work for them. It
would be like if USPS went on strike.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They did recently. It was very quickly, okay, very quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Ours has been going on for about a month now.
I mailed your gift via FedEx at the beginning of December.
But because FedEx has had to take on all of
Canada Posts shipments, they're like capping a limit every day
to what they'll pick up, what they'll move. Nothing is guaranteed.
(03:45):
I'm like, well, this is a lot of fun. Yeah,
so we are here, so Sierram, you know, my hope
is that it at least gets here before December ends.
That's what I'm putting out there. It'll still be a
holiday gift if it gets there before the end December,
but I love you and it's coming. That said. Work
sucks right now. I've been there late every day this
(04:06):
week because this is a bitch fest. My eye infection
that happened in this eye a month ago decided to
migrate to this eye and apparently the first round of
antibiotics didn't get rid of it. So I woke up
on Monday morning and this eye was stuck and swollen,
and I'm like, what is going on? So I'm on
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antibiotics for two weeks and my doctor is going to say,
see what this does, and if it doesn't work, I
might have to do like ivy therapy or something scary
to get it out of my bloodstream. And I'm really
not excited about that. Also, like, I'm a clean and
healthy person, so it like makes no sense that I
just have a random viral eye infection. It sucks. I
(04:53):
like thee of both of my eyes. Yes, I have
I herpeople, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, I learned about that. I think it was in
like high school, and I always thought it was so
fucking funny, so.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Real, I hope not. He was like, if you get
blurred vision or which already is like a loaded question
because I'm going blind slowly, sir so. But uh. He
also was like if you start puking or have a fever,
He's like, you gotta let me know immediately. I don't
know what's going on. I just wanted to tell you
(05:31):
about it, and as a update this week to all
of our patrons them about it. But yeah, it sucks.
I don't know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
See it sounds sucky.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
On that note, I'm excited to be recording with you
today and you asked me for a list of where
our listeners are of countries, so I'm excited to see
how that's going to come into play.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's not a happy thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's important though, well.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That I apologize for providing her with this information of
avand it's important.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is your story Christmas related?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It is me too. Yeah, yeah, I was agree that
naturally we had to go that route. If I wasn't
already wearing a tube right now, I'd probably go get
a Christmas at but I'm too lazy to get up.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. I originally listen, I'll be honest, I don't even
remember what it was at this point, but originally had
something else picked out and I was like, why am
I doing this? I need to do a Christmas story,
so you.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Know, it's funny that you should say that me too.
I was doing a history of a creepy cursed object
and then I was like, wait a second, I.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Think mine was also something haunted, and I was like,
this is too spooky for December.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So we already know that we're on the same wavelength
for December and apparently for January twenty twenty five. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Let's hope they're not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That would be really awkward.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Again, we've said it for the last almost four years. Guys,
It's gonna happen at some point. Some point, you guys
are going to log on and be like, well, shit,
we only get one episode today.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Whoops. All right, So my story, I don't know if
I want to tell you what it's called or just
getting into it. I think I'll just get into it, okay.
In the early morning hours of December eighteenth, nineteen ninety six,
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a sixty nine year old woman went into the Pleasant
Valley Memorial Park cemetery.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Why do you always say that every time I mess
up on saying say cemetery, you say cemetery. Before and
then what is that meat?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Rushing? Not too the Pleasant Valley Memorial Park Cemetery in Allendale,
Virginia into the section of the cemetery where infants and
children are laid to rest.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Oh, that's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
She set out a blanket and placed her backpack and
a small eight inch Christmas tree on it and began
to decorate the tree. Now, before we get into the
rest of my sad story, I wanted to add a
little happiness or sprinkle a little cheer onto this holiday season.
Do you guys change up your Christmas ornaments every year?
(08:32):
I feel like we've talked about this before, Like a
lot of people have like different color fimes.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That is the goal of ours for next year or
when Christmas is over, we are going to go and
see if we can get some last minute deals on
Christmas ornaments. Yeah, because currently our scheme is gold and no, no,
the silver, white and blue, and then we have like
a random war ornaments sprinkled in there, like my BB
(09:02):
eight and my Nightmare for Christmas and that kind of stuff.
But we want to add gold and red so we
can altern it every year or switch it up. What
about you? I know you have like mushroom theme.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, I'm sticking with my mushrooms. By the way, they're
called fly agaric mushrooms. Didn't realize that the white ones
or sorry, the red ones with the white dots on them.
So anyway, Usually I also just have a random menagerie
of ornaments on my tree and decorations in the house
in general. This year I only pulled out red and
(09:37):
white decorations and ornaments only red and white. I'm sticking
with my mushrooms, and I'm when we move, I plan
on getting rid of all those things that aren't red
and white. The Christmas tree is green obviously, but then
red and white, I feel like is what I want
to like.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Red and white bubbles with little mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I actually have like mushrooms that hang ornaments that are
mush rooms.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, but do you like bobbles too, or is it
all mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What is a bobble? Like a little Christmas Boh? Yeah?
I just have red ones, but yes, I would eventually
get white ones as well.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, okay, do you just have a tree of mushrooms?
I need to picture them.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
There are red ornaments on it as well. The sixty
nine year old woman decorated the small aiden's tree with
gold ball ornaments and red ribbon bows.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I like its also, I think those are really cute
and cozy.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah. Then she pulled juice, mango and peach and brandy
from a flask out of her backpack and poured herself
a drink.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's a drink, right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
She took some valume, chased it down with her mixed drink,
and then she pulled out her tape player, a plastic bag,
and some tape. She put her headphones on began listening
to her comedy cassette tape. Then she placed the plastic
bag over her head, taped it around her neck, laid
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down and died.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this is the part to where I tell all
of the listeners that the holidays are hard for many
people all around the world. But no matter how hard
you think you have it and in your life, is
not the answer. Someone is rooting for you, someone loves you.
Someone wants you to keep going, keep living, keep being.
It will get better. The hardships and the hurt do
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not define you. If you have thoughts or feelings of
suicide and are in the US, you can call nine
eight eight or text eight three eight two five five.
If you are in Canada, you can call one eight
three three four five six four five six six or
text four five six four five. If you are in
(12:05):
the UK, you can call zero eight zero zero six
eight nine five six five two. In Australia call one
three one one one four one. And for a quick
check of any other countries and their suicide hotlines, go
to blog dot Opencounseling dot com. That's why I needed
(12:29):
where most of our listeners were. I wanted to make
sure that our listeners had the resources they needed right here,
right now. Around nine am that morning, as the cemetery
workers came in and opened up, they started their shift
for the day and noticed a strange site of a
Christmas tree and then of the lady.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The police were called immediately. In their investigation into what happened,
they did described the scene. The Christmas tree lady was
about five feet tall, Caucasian, wearing a sweater over a
red shirt and blue knit pants and an Eddie Bower
jacket over that. Her nails were freshly polished red and
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her orange red hair was done neatly. She wore gold earrings,
a gold watch, and a gold ring. Other than the
things I mentioned earlier, There were only three other things
found with the woman, a child sized mini mouse, fanny pack,
and two envelopes no identification. Inside the envelopes was one
(13:40):
hundred dollars by way of two fifty dollars bills and
two letters. The first letter read quote, deceased by own hand,
prefer no autopsy. Please order cremation with funds provided. Thank you,
Jane Doe.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So hard she wrote a letter. Oh wait till you
hear the second note. The second wrote. The second note
read quote, Now I lay me down to sleep, soon
to drift to the eternal deep. And though I die
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and shall not wake, sleep sweeter will be than this
life I forsake. End quote.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh did she write that?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Is anyone?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, they couldn't find it to have been written by
anyone else.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh that's heartbreaking, Like there's something haunting about somebody leaving
a poem or something that stood out to them. Yeah,
in their suicide notes. But something that they wrote that's
like that is just extra heartbreaking because it just gives
voice to the mindset that they were in at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Despite her requests, obviously, an autopsy had to be done.
Corner found the drugs and the alcohol in the Christmas
Tree Lady's system, but said that she ultimately died of
suffocation from the bag over her head. They couldn't identify
the woman, but because they had a, for lack of
a better phrase, pretty freshly deceased body, they were very
(15:18):
optimistic that she would be quickly identified by the public.
They could take her photo. They knew exactly what she
looked like, unlike the many other Jane does in the
dough network that were often just guesses based on bone structure.
She also had a large incision scar on her lower abdomen,
which they had hoped was from a C section. That
(15:41):
would mean someone could be missing their mother. Unfortunately, a
quick identification is not what happened. Years went by, two,
turned into five, ten, even twenty, Jane Doe remained the
unsolved mystery of the Christmas Tree Lady. Investigators obviously didn't
(16:05):
show a picture of a dead woman to the public,
but they did create a sketch based on the photo
they took, and I honestly think the first sketch may
have something to do with why she went unnamed. You
can open up the drive now. I think the first
picture is either of her backpack and her belongings or
of the Christmas tree itself. And then there's a picture
(16:27):
of her, the sketch of her.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh have you ever seen these photos?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
This is so sad?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Okay, am I looking at the first black and white sketch.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, the first black and white sketch is not great.
If you go to the next sketch, there's a color.
Those are traditional people. Yeah, and then the third one
is a more realistic, almost three D version. The second
and third is great. The first one like, no wonderable
(17:02):
different person. Yeah, yeah, what the hell were they thinking?
I'm sorry, but that's sketch artist. I hope was fired.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, like like cheeks alone.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, they look different. She looks much heavier.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, like like a circus character that he's drawn.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like a caricature.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yea of her a caricature exactly. Okay, Yeah that makes
sense that and you can see like the eyebrows, the nose,
like all of those are very discerning features on a
person's face. Oh, she's really cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Even with the second and third renditions of the Christmas
Tree Lady, no one was coming forward, So investigators even
tried searching the mis in person sites themselves, comparing the
Christmas Tree Lady with anyone who fit her description, but
still nothing after over twenty five years. In twenty twenty two,
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investigators sent the Christmas Tree Lady's DNA profile to a
forensic genetic genealogist company called authorm with donated funds raised
to identify her from a website called dnasols dot com,
and later that year, the Christmas Tree Lady got her
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name back. Joyce Marilyn Meyer Summers. Joyce was born on
July twentieth, nineteen twenty seven, as the first child of
Arthur and Margaret and the oldest sister to her four siblings,
two boys and two girls. Joyce grew up with her
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family on a farm in Iowa. The nineteen thirties were
rough for women, but it was slowly getting better, and
she was able to attend college at Iowa State University.
After college, she moved to Los Angeles to work for
seventeen Magazine. Side note Did I put these pictures on
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there too?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes? I did. Maybe you've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Side note imagine seventeen magazine in the nineteen forties, except
just kidding. You don't have to because I have photos
of them on the drive. The first photo is from
January and February of nineteen forty five, when the main
article was about the United Nations. They used this article
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because they wanted to show a seventeen year old woman
as a whole person, not just someone into fashion and buoys.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How to love that though very different from our generation's seventeen.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Margins, Oh let me tell you why? And the next
one is from April of nineteen forty five, and some
of the articles were titled jobs have no gender and
if only he could cook. Many of the nineteen forties
magazines were female forward and progressive, as Helen Valentine was
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the editor in chief. However, her publisher, Walter Annenberg, wasn't
as into the progressiveness as she was. He actually once
told her that he wanted fewer black people in his magazine,
and she responded, quote, surely the presence of colored children
in that story should delight any kindly human being. Anyone
(20:33):
who is offended by it should not be holding a
copy of seventeen end quote fucking rights.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Disgusting behavior.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But Helen Valentine left the magazine in nineteen fifty and
a man took over her position. The magazine was never
quite the same after that. There were segments about taking
care of the home and other womanly activities, as well
as boycrit and dieting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Is that what the next one is?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
No? Both of those are from the fourth April April boy. No,
that's the one that if only he could cook?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh right, that one?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, yeah, gotcha love it. It was also in the
nineteen fifties that Joyce, our Christmas Tree Lady left the
magazine as well. We don't know why for sure, but
I like to think that Joyce enjoyed working there better
when Helen Valentine was there. After she left the magazine,
Joyce went on to be a second grade teacher at
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a Catholic elementary school. I'm not sure if she was
Catholic or if she even liked kids, but we do
know that she began struggling mentally at this time. Teaching
was hard, and that's not even what her degree was in.
So around the same time, Joyce started seeing a psychiatrist. Now,
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imagine what psychiatry in the nineteen fifties looked like. I
have no pictures, but I will tell you that lobotomies
were still being performed but Joyce was in California, which
has always been a little more progressive than the rest
of the United States, so I don't think she had
it quite that too bad. But the psychiatrist she was
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seeing was telling her that basically she should blame all
of her problems on her parents, and because of this,
Joyce became on very bad terms with her parents, especially
her mother. When her mother came to visit once, they
had a twenty four hour confrontation session where nothing was
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resolved and the two of them only understood each other
less afterwards for hours.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, this puts into play the pause button in relationship fights, right,
I come on, Oh my god, that's devastating. Okay, sorry,
I couldn't let that slide past twenty four hours. I
couldn't even stay a week for that long if I tried. Yeah,
who has the time?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So we also just talked about in my cult episode
that California in the nineteen fifties was like prime hippie time.
All of those people hated their parents, and so Joyce
hating her parents was kind of normal for those, you know,
for that crowd. Unfortunately makes sense. In the nineteen sixties,
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Joyce moved to Seattle, Washington with her new husband, James Summers,
and didn't even tell her family about it for almost
twenty years. She lived there until she and her husband
divorced with no children, and she decided to move to Tucson, Arizona.
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In the early eighties, her siblings came to visit Joyce
in Arizona and they mentioned that she was clearly unhappy,
maybe about her failed marriage, maybe about life in general.
She asked her siblings during that visit to help her
build a house somewhere else, but they said they couldn't help,
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and that was the last time they had ever seen Joyce.
A brother of hers visited a few years later, but
the house in Arizona had been abandoned.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's haunting. Something about abandoned properties, which we will get
to it is really haunting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
From then on, Joyce's siblings suspected that she had joined
a cult. She was sad, lonely, and vulnerable. She'd be
the perfect target for one, and because of that they
worried about her. They even hired a private investigator to
locate their sister, but he never could. The closest they
ever got to knowing where their sister was was when
(24:56):
the private investigator said she went east, but the trail
was lost after that until twenty five years later, when
her brother was contacted by an investigator about a genealogy
match to his sibling. What all these years they had
(25:16):
been looking for her and she wasn't even alive to
be found, But at least now they knew where she
had been. And as sad as her death was, they
found optimism in the investigator's story, since it seemed that
Joyce left this life exactly the way she wanted to.
Joyce's sister, Annette said, quote, I am relieved to know
(25:39):
that something horrible didn't happen to her. It sounds like
something she'd been planning for a long time. End quote.
We are still unsure what Joyce was doing in Virginia.
They linked a Washington, d C. Address to her, But
what made her want to leave Arizona for DC? What
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did she do when she was there? Did she have
a job or friends? What gave her the scar on
her Abdmen? Does she have a child out there somewhere?
It seems that Joyce wanted to remain mysterious in death,
although we now know her name and where she came from.
Most of these questions will probably remain a mystery. Oh
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that's the story of the Christmas Tree Lady.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh that's like kind of like blow key devastating, I know,
but also kind of a cool woman. I'm sorry, Like
that's where her legacy ends. But in terms of being
known as stuff, the Christmas Tree Lady is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah. And did you see in the picture the stuff
that they found with her, ye, minie mouse fanny pack. Like,
so some people are like, that's hers and she decided
to die in the child section of the cemetery because
she feels like her youth was taken from her by
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her parents. Other people are like, oh, but does she
have a C section scar? Maybe there is a kid
out there somewhere. And then other other people are like,
maybe she had an abortion and regrets it. So who knows.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, I like to believe that if there was
a child out there that knew about her, especially after
her family had made efforts to reconnect, Yeah, that somebody
would have come forward by now, No, like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Would they maybe maybe her If she has a child
out there, it was put up for adoption or I
don't know. I have no idea, but I do wonder like,
how long did she live in Virginia? She had to
have had friends or a place to work. Where'd she
(28:02):
get her money? She was wearing an Eddie Bauer jacket.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Girl hung her daddy out there? Someone?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, where's he? Like? What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah? Or maybe from her tenure at seventeen magazine, which
honestly was a very cool history but definitely very sad
and very sad. Oh but I hope she's at peace now.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's all like me too.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't like how she realized I'm feeling not lonely
and sad. Yeah, holiday season.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I hope she realizes that for twenty five fucking years,
her family was still looking for her and loved her.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
One hundred percent. I don't like that. I'm not going
anywhere more positive. Oh great, I'm going a little bit
of a spooky er, maybe more mysterious route. We'll see. Okay,
So my story today, I have an infamous holiday crime
for you, known as the Lost Beliefe Christmas murders. Hm.
(29:03):
I forgot that I even knew about this case until
episode one seventy nine with Mine in Cira's discussion of
our aptly named school of Interdimensional friendship and the weird
ghostly blurs on Google Maps houses. Yeah, if you haven't
listened yet, join our completely innocent cult over there at
the end for a laugh. But all of that said,
(29:27):
I am sure you would be shocked to know that
the house on two four seven five Glendawer Place in
Los Angeles, California, is also blurred out on Google Wow
Wow and has remained completely empty since the events that
I am about to tell you about. Even spookier. While
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the house has no written record of a haunting or
anything sinister related to the location it's built on, it
has seen its fair share of death. The five thousand
square foot casual mansion was built in nineteen twenty five
in Los Police Heights, a new development in the Hollywood
(30:11):
Hills that catered to people that had money but not
too much money? Is its at the foot of the hill?
Literal hierarchy in these neighborhoods. But that's fine. I can't
afford to live anywhere in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
So how do you spell loose felie.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Los fe l i z z okay.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think I could be wrong. You're closer to ballas fellies.
I think that's what I'm sorry feelish feels.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't know you're closer. I just feel like I've
heard it before.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Our favorite guy God all Hockey here with my hispanicness
lows belief. Okay, so it's interesting that you just said
what you just said. So I just found a quick
TikTok video. So that neighborhood is named after a person
(31:17):
whose last name was pronounced Falaise, but because it's pronounced
or spelled the same way in the Hispanic culture as
the leaf like beliefs. Right, people pronounce it both ways,
but the actual pronunciation is your way because it is
named as a person, not a holiday things here people.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Is this did an ax murder happen here? No? Okay,
I just for some reason in my sorry yes, yes, okay,
So the real the only reason I said I think
Felis is because I'm like, for some reason in my brain,
I'm hearing Los Felas Axe murder house. So okay, Feliz anyway, anyway,
(32:07):
but we just learned a new thing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That area of the Hollywood Hills is named after a person.
Wait what did we say?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It was Feliz?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Feliz? Okay, because I'm going to fuck it up again.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I just don't want the listeners to yell at us.
Let me do the yelling gently, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Hey, I didn't know that that's what that that it
was named after a person, because otherwise it would be
the other way. Right.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The word is Felice, but the PERSONI Feliz.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So makes sense. The first owners of the house were
a wealthy couple who had moved from Seattle named Harold M.
Florence Shoemaker. They had moved from the colder climate, hoping
to retire somewhere warm, but death records revealed it on
July first, nineteen twenty eight, Flores died. It's Flores. Florence
(33:10):
died in the home of heart disease at the age
of forty, and Harold died at forty one just two
weeks later of pneumonia, which is heartbreaking. And it makes
me think that he got sick because his immune system
was lowered because he was sad.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
It is incredibly sad that they didn't get to live
out their retirement dreams.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
My manslaughter case has something similar to that, and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
So so sad. I hate that shit. Yeah, that's like
true love stuff, but also why it's like so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right, oh my god, wait, no, stop speaking of the Notebook.
When's the last time he watched it?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Probably over ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, okay, so I need to watch it again because
I saw a thing on TikTok that there's a Mandela
effect and that they don't die together in the bed
at the end. They definitely die together in the bed
at the end, right, bitch, I have That's why it's sad.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Watch it on DVD. Yes, we will challenge this. You
watch it on a streaming service. I'll watch it on
my DVD and we'll see if it has the same ending. Okay,
this is important.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It is I need to watch the Notebook.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Let me know when you watch it, just to cry
my fucking eyeballs out when they die at the end.
I watch it, Yeah, because they don't. Maybe it won't
be so bad. You're so sad it was good. It's
just question mark. Let me know when you watch it.
I'll watch it at the same okay, or in that day,
(34:57):
question work.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'll probably watch it the week of Christmas because both
of my children are gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, that's fair. And then we will report back to
you guys. On next month's bonus episode. Whether that's actually
a thing? What the fuck? Okay? So yes, super sad
Maybe the notebook Mandela effect.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Two years later, a movie magazine editor named Walford, Beaten
and his son Donald's, began living in the home. Tragically, though,
Donald soon became bedridden after suffering from an infection caused
by a blister he got playing tennis. What the fuck
(35:44):
he died of this infection.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is like some diddy shit.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Even tennis is not safe. Yeah, and sadly he was
just twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Walford left the home and filed for bankruptcy the following year,
unable to remain there, and after just five years since
the house was built, there has already been three deaths inside.
But this would not be the last, and he's gracious.
Doctor Harold and Perilson fifty, a cardiologist, and his wife
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Lillian forty two, moved into the home in nineteen fifty
six with their three children, Judy eighteen, Joel thirteen, and
Debbie eleven. Despite the lavish purchase, Harold's medical practice was
in significant debt, and this certainly didn't help. A letter
(36:47):
later found to be written by Judy, to one of
their aunts, spoke of problems between her parents caused by
the family being in quote unquote a bind financially.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Why do men, at least the older times, think that
spending money you don't have is going to fix things.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Kill their families?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So much to wors no spoilers, spoilers like that that
happened in so many cases, like oh, let me just
buy this bigger house and everything will get better. How
are you gonna pay for it?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Dude? You broke? Yeah? What what is that? Infamous? Like
farm one? Same thing? They like purchased a farm and
then a few months later he killed his whole family.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't know, there's a lot, but yeah, remember it
at like two o'clock in the morning, probably while you're
talking later. I just yell it randomly, and I'm saying spoilers,
th spoilers because that's not necessari it's here, but we
will get there. It's just strange, for sure. But in
(37:58):
the letter, Judy's pecifically mentioned an accident that her and
her siblings had gotten into and they sued the driver
that had hit their vehicle, and luckily they got enough
to pay for the medical bills to pay for the
hospital after they had to go as they didn't want
to make.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The situation worse. So she's telling her aunt like, this
is good. My parents are in a blind though.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
On December sixth, nineteen fifty nine, at around five o'clock
in the morning, Harold attacked his wife Lillian with a
balpeen hammer while she lay asleep. So it wasn't an ax, Sammer.
We're not laughing at that, we're just laughing at my memory.
(38:45):
After three blows to the head, it left to Lillian
to bleed out. He then went to his daughter, Judy's
bedroom and attacked her with the same weapon. Judy's screams
woke her sister, Debbie, who heard her sister say, please
don't kill me, and Harold told Debbie when she came
(39:05):
to intervene to go back to bed, baby, this is
just a nightmare that's haunting.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Too. Scared to listen and not sure what to do,
Debbie ran and woke up her brother Joel. Without realizing
though this did actually help her sister, as the distraction
allowed Judy to escape the attack and run to the
neighbor's house. The neighbor, Marshall Ross, was obviously startled by
this early morning awakening, but he let Judy in immediately,
(39:37):
didn't ask any questions, and began tending to her wounds
right away, while simultaneously calling the police. This man is
a hero.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
When you watch this back, if you decide to watch
it instead of listen, you're going to notice the point
where I remembered what this story was. Not that I
didn't already know, but.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
But all the p is clicked into place, yeah, and
my eyes just went like, oh my god, this is
a really creepy fucking house. Okay, anyway, I love it.
You've also had like two orb incidences in your video,
so that's where it is great. One was during your
story and it looked like snow that fell right behind you,
which might have been dust, we'll see. And then one
(40:21):
went across your face. Okay, but yes, I can't wait
for that. So super haunting and uh, thank you Marshall
for this. After tending to her wounds and voting the police,
Marshall ordered Judy to hide in his room while he
made his way to the Perilson's home to wait for police. Inside,
(40:44):
he would find Debbie and Joel terrified and dazed, but
thankfully unharmed and hiding, and when Marshall made it to
the second floor, he found Harold laying face down on
Judy's bed. He went into the mass bedroom and saw
Lilian's lifeless body. Marshall brought Debbie and Joel back to
(41:06):
his house, where they all waited for the police to
show up. When police finally did arrive, they found Harold's body.
Like I said, he had swallowed thirty one pinto barbitual tablets,
which is like a benzodiazepine, which is basically a tranquilizer,
and that amount would take out a large mammal, So
(41:30):
it definitely took him out. Family. Yes, thank you, I
know what's gonna happen. Yes, And that story is super
spooky for its own reasons. There's like so many elements
that don't add up. Yeah, one of us needs to
cover that at some point.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, like the fucking Tiffany chandelier anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right, and just like where the bodies were after all
of it is just odd. Where is that You can
still visit that farm list List family murder.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I think that l is the List family. The
farm was in Germany, I think, yeah, the farm was.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The list guy. He was that America's most wanted for
a long time. Yeah, yes, we are thinking of the
hinter Chifact murders. Yeah, that's the Germans murders simultaneous. Yes,
really glad we got there.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, lots of family annihilators.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, I just really wanted to know if I like morbidly,
even though I scold people for this, in a second,
it would be cool to visit a point of history
that's so mysterious and like the hinter Chifact farm. That
would be cool.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, even just go to the Mary Celeste instead, yes,
or the Winchester Mystery House.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, yes, those would be two separate trips. You will
have to come here and we will.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They're both in California. Okay, we'll come here and we'll
go to California. California is fucking huge, So we'll go
see Amanda. We'll go to the Mary Celeste with Amanda
because she's right there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah. So he swallowed the barbituate tablets, which were basically
a tranquilizer. His body was found near the hammer and
the bottle of empty pills, as well as a copy
of Dante's Dante's Divine Comedy, which is considered significant because
(43:44):
the book is about the state of a soul after
death and presents an image of divine justice meted out
as do punishment or reward, which described Dante's hell. Yes,
it is haunting because the case that he read this
book before all of this ensued. Yeah, his travel through hell,
(44:05):
purgatory and haded God. I was going to finish the quote. Sorry,
did you notice how I read it though, Because.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I'm sure some people don't know. It's good you read
it that way. Let the people know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I always like stories. Fucking Buddy the Elf, creepy book edition,
It's just eye rolls. Oh. So many people tried to
push that book on me, and I'm just like, I
can't do it. I was raised Catholic as a kid.
I have enough trauma in that department. I don't need
to read a book about it. So the press initially
(44:45):
jumped to blame the doctor's financial problems for his murderous frenzy,
but to add insult to injury. Medical records would later
indicate that he had spent time at the Temple Hospital
for a week not too far earlier in the year
from when this all occurred. He was given thorzine, which
(45:06):
is a drug that at the time was used to
treat schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. So maybe the financial
stress led to a psychotic break, or maybe it's a
completely independent issue and he was already experiencing these symptoms.
Either way, it was a tragic end to their story.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
What if he actually thought it was a dream because
he told his daughter it's just a dream, just a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Horror breaking well, like the uh sleepwalking crimes, but the
girl I covered and shot her brother in her sleep,
Like just yeah, that's true too, I didn't need to.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But also family and nihilators do stupid stuff with money,
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It could be either. But it is very sad, and
like I know a lot of people have tried to
reach out to the kids and to Judy specifically, and
she has openly said like at the time of some
of the articles that came out about the story, she
was like in her eighties and she's like, I just
(46:14):
want to be left alone, Like this is horrible. So
the friendly reminder to people that don't realize when consuming
true crime that there are victims in every aspect and
you have to be fucking respectful of what they would like, Yeah,
I say that because of what we are diving into
on the week that we were recording, this is a
(46:35):
special topic and it is very considerate of all sides
of the story. So yeah, So a year after the murder,
the home was bought at an estate sale by an
older couple named Emily and Julian Enriquez, and so began
another mysterious chapter in this history. The Enrique's family owned
(46:59):
the house for dec but never moved in due to
their age. They just jumped on the opportunity and the price,
wanting to create a better life for their future family.
Julian died in nineteen seventy three and Emily died in
nineteen seventy four, but the home was then passed on
(47:19):
to their son, Rudy, a record store manager in Los Angeles.
Speculation and rumor centered on Rudy as an apparent elusive figure,
the last line of an unknown family that never moved
inside of this mansion that they purchased. Weird right. Despite
(47:44):
his parents' good intentions, Rudy couldn't bring himself to move
into the home. He was described as a very kind man,
happy to answer any questions about the home during interviews,
but he kind of just was like, I don't really
know what else to add to this. But in later events,
(48:04):
after painting a house in the area in two thousand
and nine, a local painter heard rumors about the house
and snuck a peak inside. It is truly spooky, though,
as the living area still has a Christmas tree and
unwrapped gifts, almost like a giant shadow box of the
(48:25):
Perilson's life frozen forever.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
That was the piece I remembered when my eyes flicked up, like,
oh my god, that is a scary fucking house.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, it's super haunting.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
On call of duty the Nuketown stays. It's just so spooky.
Everything that's just normal, but it's not. It's not normal
at all.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Totally. Oh, video games are cool but also terrifying. And
I'm going to keep this particular painter's made out of
it because I think he received enough publicity over spinning
his tales. But this is how urban legends are born.
So in the painter's version of the story, doctor Perilson
(49:12):
and his family sat around the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve,
prior to what would be a beautiful memory for their family,
opening gifts under the glow of their Christmas tree, and
then the mad doctor lugened his family before drinking down
a bottle of acid. We know the parts of the
story that have been lost in the telephone game, but
(49:35):
still locals and tourists alike traveled to the home to
sneak a peek inside with all of the family's belongings
still there. Some more despicable people even broke into the home,
steering stealing various items. One person stole a jacket that
(49:55):
they believed to belong to the Perilsons, but it ended
up actually belonging to Rudy. Another woman unscrewed and then
stole Judy's painted light switch from her bedroom, which appears
to have a small blood stain on it next to
her name.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
What the fuck.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
The Ala Times ran an article in two thousand and
nine about the story, including the painter's incorrect story facts,
and thus it became known as the Los Felis the
Los Feliz murder mansion. I doubted myself. I went back
and forth in my head, like wait, which one's the
(50:35):
right one. Rudy Enriquez died in twenty fifteen, and shortly
before his death, he said that he couldn't bring himself
to sell the property because it was a gift from
his parents. But then, on the other hand, couldn't bring
himself to move in, and he really missed his parents,
and he didn't need the money from the sale of
(50:58):
the house, so he was kind of like, I'm just
going let it be somebody else's problem when I die.
He also said that he used the rooms in the
home that were unused for storage, including some of his
own Christmas parapnelia, which is extra spooky, which makes me
(51:19):
believe that he lived in like a smaller house and
just used that house for storage until he died. Yeah.
Some of the mysteries surrounding the home went to the
grave with Rudy, such as why were so many of
the Perilson's belongings still there left untouched. In twenty sixteen,
(51:42):
a TV attorney named Lisa Bloom and her husband bought
the home in an estate sale as well for two
point three million dollars, but neighbors who hoped but neighbors
who hoped that the decrepit house would finally be lived in,
were left disappointed. The couple completely tore the house down
(52:04):
to the studs, but they were unable to complete their
plan due to permitting issues, so they abandoned that project
and instead the home was purchased by a developer named
Effie Zalatski for two point three five million dollars in
twenty twenty five, in twenty twenty, the year of COVID.
(52:27):
Great time to buy a fucking mansion, sir.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Well, he was just buying a lot at that point.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Pretty much a lot with some boards on it. Yeah,
if he does not respond to inquiries about the house,
if it is framed in an interest in the history
rather than actually purchasing the home. But it does appear, however,
that he allowed one person inside. In twenty twenty three,
(52:53):
zach Begins Most Adventurous team went into the house for
an investigation. It is the biggest joke of an episode
I have ever seen in my life. I just watch
they tore most of it down down to the studs,
so it's just like the frame of the house with
like the walls. Fucking I The museum that I experienced
(53:19):
is still one of the coolest places I've ever been
in my life because of all the spooky shit that's there.
But I hate zach By. I hate him. He is
disrespectful and he is fucking fraudulent and fake and I
just cannot stand behind it. If you guys watch clips
of this particular episode, you will literally roll over and
(53:40):
die because it is so cheasy and forced. But basically,
while inside the home, hold on, I have to scratch
my boob and I don't know if you can see
me doing it. Okay, While inside, they found an unusual
force kept pushing them up up the stairs by the
(54:01):
arched window, and they all freaked out. I am, however,
inclined to not believe that there was any force because
it was Zach Beggins. But take with that with a
grain of salt. But the sf GAAT article that I
used for some of my research ended so eloquently, so
I decided to include it here. Quote. It's hard not
(54:24):
to attribute some sentience to homes like the Glendower Mansion.
If it has a personality, it's one of loneliness. Everyone
wanted the home to be something it wasn't. The Shoemakers
wanted to a place to live out a sunny California retirement.
The enriquez Is wanted a home for their beloved boy Rudy.
(54:47):
The La Times wanted a house, wanted a house painter's
spooky stories to be true, and mister Dzalowski wanted another
million dollar house to flip to add to his portfolio. Oh,
mister Baggins wanted a wanted to find a cosmic ghoul.
(55:07):
But save for a five minute burst of violence on
a terrible Sunday morning sixty five years ago, the Lowest
Fellas Murder Mansion is just an empty house waiting for
a new family. But because of the earlier histor sorry
end quote, but because of the earlier history of the house,
of course, people point to it being cursed or simply haunted.
(55:32):
But is it or is it just haunted by a
tragic past and people need to get over it and
fucking just make new memories there. I don't know either way.
It is a crazy story. It is a haunted little
shadow box in time, and it is infamous to this day.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
It's crazy. The book that I read in November or October,
I don't know what those months called The Starling House.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
This house also reminds me of that because in the
Starling House people kept dying over and over and other again.
But it was it was cursed.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
So I mean, you were two four years old and
a twenty one year old dying before a murderous rampage
went on inside the South. So the spooky bitch in
me wants to believe that a curse is afoot. But yeah,
the person that wants to respect you know, victims is
(56:33):
past and entrepreneurial future wants to believe that it's just
a house and that Zach Beggins is a fool and
made a mockery of himself on this episode. It's literally
him and his crew walking around a house that's like
just like you know, like a wall without drywall, just
(56:54):
like the boards and like the frame of a house.
And it's like, oh, I felt this were here, and
it's like nothing happened in the history on the staircase
of the house that would point to anything mysterious that
and like it's just sad like honestly, So I don't
know I who else curse or sadness? You guys, let
(57:19):
us know.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Is it weird that when you were talking about people
stealing stuff from the home, my thoughts were not on
murder memorabilia. My thoughts were went, curse those Christmas presents
that are still wrapped in mint condition from like the
nineteen what is it seventies?
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Can you imagine what gifts were in there, like mint
conditions still in the box, toys, Oh my god, that
would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
That would be toys. Yeah, and like yeah, just it's yeah,
I don't know. I follow this page. That's like it
always starts with like a like creepy music, and it
like takes you through abandoned houses and stuff, and that's
definitely what I picture with this. But all of the
(58:13):
photos that exist of like the shadow box time or
just like the outside or like little bits that show
like a home that's been there for sixty years had
been completely neglected because no one's been in there. Everything
is covered in dust. Like it's just it is super
creepy though, like just like especially the Christmas scene of
(58:34):
it all with like the tree and like half wrapped
presence just being in the living room. It's like the
mom or parents, you know, probably we're going to wrap
those in the middle of the night while the kids
were asleep. Like yeah, it's just it's so so unsettling,
but also really sad. I'm curious to know what our
(58:56):
patrons think. Cursed or just a really sad moment in time.
Do you think that it was a psychotic break or
do you think it was financially related or both? Let
us know. Do not spend your responsibily this holiday season
and remember to take care of your skin. Yes, you
(59:21):
know that people need to take care of themselves this
holiday season too. And we love you guys so so much.
Thank you for being our patrons this here, thank you
for listening to twelve bonus episodes sad and not sad
and yeah, super thankful for all of that. And we
(59:42):
will be on the same wavelength in January of twenty
twenty five, unless Sierra has anything else sad yep, okay,
and we will see you then and in the meantime,
keep it twisted, hm,
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